**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 24 03:00:02 2010 Feb 24 03:01:34 opp6 is 720 but top speed for 3440 is 800mhz Feb 24 03:01:48 and 3450 is missing on ti product pages. Feb 24 03:02:58 34xx is for cell phone guys anyway .. 35xx is for consumers .. same with the whole 36xx and 37xx Feb 24 03:04:59 3450 is supposedly a 1ghz part from some quick googling Feb 24 03:05:12 not 35xx. Feb 24 03:05:56 i wonder if the overclock guys just decided to return 7 for the sku id check =) Feb 24 03:06:43 37xx should be the half node step which would be a 1GHz part .. but i could have been misinformed Feb 24 03:07:08 * spotter pokes zsoc Feb 24 03:07:38 spotter, yo Feb 24 03:07:59 spotter, i think i was supposed to do something... involving you... can't remember... help a brother out? Feb 24 03:08:03 wma Feb 24 03:08:09 spotter, yeah, working on it now actually Feb 24 03:08:11 ffmpeg gstreamer Feb 24 03:08:15 I can test Feb 24 03:08:26 spotter, just pushed the patch for typefind uncrippling... i'm building ffmpeg atm Feb 24 03:09:31 in preware? Feb 24 03:10:05 i.e. what did you mean by "pushed" Feb 24 03:10:09 pushed to webos-internals feed? Feb 24 03:10:29 looking at the revision code checking now. Feb 24 03:10:38 apparently your part has to be OMAP3430_REV_ES3_1 Feb 24 03:10:43 (at least) Feb 24 03:11:02 but /proc/cpuinfo does not show a direct mapping Feb 24 03:12:08 anyone have a recent pre ? I have 34304332 for my revision. Feb 24 03:17:25 spotter, i'm sorry, i meant pushed my patch to the git Feb 24 03:17:48 spotter, there's still some work yet to do before packaging... i'm compiling dependencies for gst-ffmpeg atm, just finished bz2 Feb 24 03:24:00 newman314: another relevant thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=499042 Feb 24 03:25:05 spotter, building ffmpeg now Feb 24 03:25:12 ok Feb 24 03:25:17 spotter, you have ssh access to your pre right? Feb 24 03:26:34 no, just terminal Feb 24 03:26:40 so a little annoying to do anything complex Feb 24 03:26:41 :) Feb 24 03:26:58 hm. would be annoying if it doesn't work lol Feb 24 03:28:00 I can install ssh if need be Feb 24 03:28:10 just havent needed it and running services I dont need is bad :) Feb 24 03:28:10 spotter, or novacom Feb 24 03:28:25 spotter, what os are you on? Feb 24 03:31:00 linux generally Feb 24 03:31:09 have win7 x64 as well available Feb 24 03:31:39 spotter, novacom -t open tty:// will get you a root shell Feb 24 03:33:32 rwhitby: may be useful to document this on the wiki Feb 24 03:38:57 spotter, oh this is going to be complicated, heh Feb 24 03:42:45 dtzWill, ATTN Bank: I'm not fully convinced you've earned so many tiny bribes. Feb 24 03:44:58 jacques: ah you confused infobot Feb 24 03:45:09 zsoc, why? Feb 24 03:45:12 infobot: nice jacques Feb 24 03:45:13 * infobot lowers jacques's priority Feb 24 03:46:05 spotter, rebuilding ffmpeg core now, but palm's ffmpeg patch is full of failure Feb 24 03:46:49 zsoc: hahaha :) Feb 24 03:46:56 zsoc: why? Feb 24 03:47:23 interesting. n900 is apparently using the ondemand scaler with no ill effect Feb 24 03:47:33 destinal-home, not sure, but one of the headers installed by it does not play well with gst-ffmpeg , i'm looking in to it, could just be an rpath thing Feb 24 03:47:37 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=459909&postcount=30 Feb 24 03:48:04 destinal-home, and yes i'm using a gst-ffmpeg version compatible with the ffmpeg version supplied :p Feb 24 03:51:59 newman314: Section 3.3 of http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/omap3530.pdf is the only concerning thing. Feb 24 03:52:13 * rwhitby bbl Feb 24 03:52:40 rwhitby: lol . I was just looking at that file Feb 24 03:53:06 wow, fish fillets takes a long time to download/install Feb 24 03:53:25 alas 900, could have been so much better w cap touchscreen Feb 24 03:54:40 jacques: it's over 100MB Feb 24 03:55:32 rwhitby, is it very difficult / impossible to make a progress bar for preware? Feb 24 03:56:18 jacques: we can try wget -verbose if we can work out how to read the output of that from execCMD ... Feb 24 03:56:40 jacques: or we can switch to using the Palm download service Feb 24 03:57:03 * rwhitby -> lunch Feb 24 03:57:33 OR we can make ipkgservice a C service :p Feb 24 03:58:03 holy cow. the operating temp of the 3530 is 0 to 70C Feb 24 03:58:10 70C?? ouch Feb 24 03:58:27 'operating' is used loosely in that context... Feb 24 03:58:51 rwhitby, why can't the java service provide a feedback callback? Feb 24 03:59:08 and use libcurl Feb 24 03:59:30 or forget libcurl Feb 24 03:59:39 java service just use java http downloading ability Feb 24 04:00:35 anyone here doctored a pixi? Feb 24 04:01:01 easy to get hot sitting under a can and consuming a lot of power Feb 24 04:01:27 spotter, ok, finally building gst-ffmpeg with wmav2dec support Feb 24 04:01:36 zsoc: palm's download service may still be better Feb 24 04:01:58 destinal-home, you're right, but i tend not to suggest things i know very little about ;) Feb 24 04:02:28 destinal-home, also i try not to lean towards things we can't fully control Feb 24 04:02:45 control freak Feb 24 04:03:18 bpadalino, <3 :P Feb 24 04:03:31 anyone here ever touched a pixi? Feb 24 04:03:38 jacques, many Feb 24 04:04:24 zsoc, ever doctored one? Feb 24 04:04:48 jacques, nope, but official doctor wise, i imagine it's pretty straightforward? Feb 24 04:04:52 or pulled battery? Feb 24 04:05:01 I have one which will not activate Feb 24 04:05:05 keeps failing Feb 24 04:05:10 hm Feb 24 04:05:15 ##rtn? Feb 24 04:06:05 what's that? it will only let me make emergency or customer service calls before activation - tho it may let me do the ## codes ... dunno Feb 24 04:06:16 it will Feb 24 04:06:42 just click the emergency button, erase the '911', put in ##rtn# (but you'll need the msl) Feb 24 04:06:47 i assume this is an activated device? Feb 24 04:07:06 zsoc, what is the purpose of that code? Feb 24 04:07:15 jacques, full reset Feb 24 04:07:31 zsoc, this device was donated to the project by palm, but it fails activation Feb 24 04:07:42 why he needs a full reset when it's a new phone? :> Feb 24 04:07:53 en0x, sometimes there are activation issues that require it Feb 24 04:07:59 yeah right Feb 24 04:08:00 :) Feb 24 04:08:01 jacques, er.. 'donated'... Feb 24 04:08:06 en0x, no, there are. it happens a lot. Feb 24 04:08:18 just call sprint and give them hex number Feb 24 04:08:25 jacques, do you have reason to believe it's an activated device? like they are paying for it? :p Feb 24 04:08:29 I'm not sure what was done to the phone before we got it - the others had been used (at least lightly) Feb 24 04:08:37 jacques, otherwise i'd imagine you have to skip activation.... Feb 24 04:08:49 zsoc, the other three activated fine Feb 24 04:09:03 palm said three months free service Feb 24 04:09:09 jacques, trying to activate it on sprint? Feb 24 04:09:17 jacques, i'd be willing to imagine it's messed up on the sprint side Feb 24 04:09:18 en0x, yep, it's a sprint pixi Feb 24 04:09:23 jacques: you could call sprint Feb 24 04:09:32 jacques, like i said call sprint and have the hex number ready Feb 24 04:09:35 and tell them what? Feb 24 04:09:45 that u can't activate a device Feb 24 04:09:48 they r nice :) Feb 24 04:09:55 jacques, if you give them the esn they can tell you if it's associated with an account at least Feb 24 04:09:55 they'll ask my name and account info Feb 24 04:10:05 jacques: you can call and say that it's from palm's developer program and supposed to have been activated for three months Feb 24 04:10:13 they've done a bunch of others like that Feb 24 04:10:25 destinal-home, OK, if all else fails I will do that Feb 24 04:10:44 I just assumed they would have no clue what I was talking about Feb 24 04:10:55 jacques, they probably won't, but they can still look the device up by the esn Feb 24 04:11:00 and not understand why the phone is not associated with my name / account Feb 24 04:11:00 * en0x is betting that all else will fail ;d Feb 24 04:11:29 problem with a non-activating sprint pixi is ... no wifi, so it's pretty much useless Feb 24 04:11:33 spotter, so i have libs... if you want to be really brave i can just give you stuff to randomly install around your phone for testing Feb 24 04:11:58 it looks like there are more commands in bootie than in my pre Feb 24 04:12:03 not positive tho Feb 24 04:12:09 jacques, well this pixi has to be associated to some account if it's a palm account they will tell u Feb 24 04:12:30 or call palm ;P Feb 24 04:12:40 eh why i havent got a free pixi from palm :( Feb 24 04:12:42 jacques: the palm pilot had no radio at all.. once upon a time we used to carry these non-networked devices and call them PDA's :) Feb 24 04:13:19 and of course there's always usbnet Feb 24 04:13:33 yes, but that won't make it a very useful test device Feb 24 04:13:35 iused to cary dell axim :) Feb 24 04:13:42 x51v Feb 24 04:13:43 ;] Feb 24 04:13:52 if we are installing things completely differently than the use case Feb 24 04:13:59 connected limited device Feb 24 04:14:04 jacques: point taken Feb 24 04:14:05 i still have it tho... i wonder if i can run androind on it hmmm Feb 24 04:14:33 yeah there are lots of new / differnt bootie commands Feb 24 04:14:43 oh yeah ? Feb 24 04:14:44 wall : see what's written on the wall Feb 24 04:14:58 summit : commands to interact with the smb338 Feb 24 04:15:10 we don't need no education Feb 24 04:15:17 smem : smem control Feb 24 04:15:33 (not positive about all these, but they don't look familiar) Feb 24 04:15:39 ##rtn## ? Feb 24 04:15:47 led : led drivers Feb 24 04:16:00 bpadalino: could it be a standard pixi thing or that you have a non-retail version? Feb 24 04:16:12 s/bpadalino/jacques/ Feb 24 04:16:12 destinal-home meant: jacques: could it be a standard pixi thing or that you have a non-retail version? Feb 24 04:16:14 bad complete Feb 24 04:16:16 so you guys think I should try ##rtn?? before doctoring? Feb 24 04:16:17 it happens Feb 24 04:16:28 for rtn u need msl Feb 24 04:16:32 destinal-home, good question Feb 24 04:16:33 and msl only sprint has it Feb 24 04:16:36 jacques: I'd back up the first 8 megs of flash before booting Feb 24 04:16:39 jacques, what en0x said Feb 24 04:16:44 before doctoring Feb 24 04:16:47 jacques, if it doesn't activate, it's a sprint thing, really. Feb 24 04:17:01 :-\ what if the modem firmware is corrupt? Feb 24 04:17:03 u can call sprint and ask for msl Feb 24 04:17:11 but they will ask for a serial number Feb 24 04:17:16 I notice it never shows the EV icon Feb 24 04:17:30 jacques, it won't till it's activated Feb 24 04:17:40 the phone gives me a HEX MEID or something after the activation fail Feb 24 04:17:55 points me to some URL which is not useful for my case Feb 24 04:18:06 www.sprint.com/activate Feb 24 04:18:42 jacques: that "wall" command is intriguing Feb 24 04:18:49 want me to type it? Feb 24 04:18:54 sure Feb 24 04:18:57 do it Feb 24 04:19:03 what is a smb338 ? Feb 24 04:19:03 version shows 220.2 Feb 24 04:19:14 some pixi-only hardware I guess Feb 24 04:19:31 ] wall Feb 24 04:19:31 late-boot] Feb 24 04:19:41 hmm Feb 24 04:19:49 what's late-boot ? Feb 24 04:20:16 interesting Feb 24 04:20:49 bpadalino: sumiit micro battery charger chip Feb 24 04:20:53 http://www.summitmicro.com/prod_select/summary/SMB329B/SMB329B_FactSheet.pdf Feb 24 04:21:09 ah nice searching Feb 24 04:21:46 pixis have multi-color leds? Feb 24 04:22:03 'statusmode on': turns on Feb 24 04:22:03 really? Feb 24 04:22:09 'where is one of red, green or yellow' Feb 24 04:22:29 slick Feb 24 04:22:32 try statusmode green on :) Feb 24 04:22:52 ~seen rwhitby Feb 24 04:22:55 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (20h 56s) #oe (20h 56s) #meego (20h 56s) #nslu2-linux (20h 56s). Has said a total of 59 messages. Is idling for 26m 14s, last said: 'jacques: or we can switch to using the Palm download service'. Feb 24 04:23:31 I tried statusmode red on but nothing happened that I can tell Feb 24 04:23:54 anyone know if rwhitby looked into the upstartmgr at all? Feb 24 04:24:09 although I think the problem may be with my emulator... Feb 24 04:24:17 for some reason palm-log isn't working... Feb 24 04:25:02 jacques: what about the other colors -- could it be that tri-color led's didn't make it in? hmm Feb 24 04:25:15 also, to anyone that has tried the Upstart Manager app, do you guys think I need to have the state and status column? Feb 24 04:25:22 destinal-home, I tried all three :-( Feb 24 04:25:33 also just tried the led command Feb 24 04:25:33 or should I cut it down to where it jsut says start and stop? Feb 24 04:25:50 led show - start led show Feb 24 04:25:53 but nothing Feb 24 04:26:19 cool stuff definitely, shame it doesn't work Feb 24 04:26:32 what are you guys talking about with tri-color LED's? Feb 24 04:26:33 cryptk|work: hi Feb 24 04:26:40 rwhitby: hi! Feb 24 04:26:49 cryptk|work: some bootie commands on jacques' pixi Feb 24 04:26:53 oh, the led command is the led backlight Feb 24 04:26:58 you wouldn't by change know why my palm-log isn't working? Feb 24 04:28:04 jacques: willing to bet those are commands used by some factory diagnostics program Feb 24 04:28:39 for post-build tests Feb 24 04:28:42 rwhitby: did you look into the jps method at all? or why the new upstartmgr isn't installing on my emulator? Feb 24 04:28:49 hmm, statusmode is doing something now Feb 24 04:28:57 but it just turned on the white led Feb 24 04:30:16 cryptk|work: I can't see anything wrong with the packaging Feb 24 04:30:24 i'll test the package soon Feb 24 04:30:29 that is the odd thing... neither can I Feb 24 04:31:20 but for some reason when I try to install it, it never requests a java restart, nor does it seem to actually update... if I re-run rpeware it prompts to upadte it again Feb 24 04:31:28 anyone pulled the back off a pixi? Feb 24 04:31:33 geist: hmmm.. was pixie originally intended to have RGB LED's? Feb 24 04:31:47 but it could just be that my emulator is effed Feb 24 04:31:54 he was making a comment before how he wanted to have them on there, but management wasn't into it .. Feb 24 04:32:00 when I first got my pre, I thought it had RGB LED and was sad to find it dodn't Feb 24 04:32:01 so maybe it supports the multi color .. Feb 24 04:32:09 ah Feb 24 04:32:25 bpadalino: but to save a buck or two maybe they never got soldered to the board Feb 24 04:32:44 for some reason the backlight keeps turning on and off Feb 24 04:32:55 and the status LED keeps doing same Feb 24 04:33:04 on a side note with multicolor, my friend looked at my pre's LCD through a microscope the other day while it was playing a youtube video... cool looking... Feb 24 04:33:04 alternating with the backlight Feb 24 04:33:06 jacques: does the show have a stop command? Feb 24 04:33:12 i think he was saying it was a management/marketing decision .. the white LED works well for the 'rock in a stream' notion Feb 24 04:33:36 rwhitby: also, it seems to install fine on my actual phone, just not on my emulator.. Feb 24 04:33:40 but a pixie should have pretty colors :) Feb 24 04:33:52 hehe Feb 24 04:34:00 i concur Feb 24 04:34:07 lets resolder some LED's Feb 24 04:34:09 destinal-home: it should have wings too but people would be mad if their phones kept flying away sprinkling glitter on everything... Feb 24 04:34:28 http://webos.pastebin.com/LuG6ZBah Feb 24 04:34:29 cryptk|work: lol (choke, gasp) Feb 24 04:35:11 jacques: try led reset Feb 24 04:35:39 that turned off status led, but backlight is still off Feb 24 04:35:48 jacques: led init Feb 24 04:36:01 seems like pastebin still hates me at work... Feb 24 04:36:02 destinal-home: i dont think so Feb 24 04:36:18 destinal-home, strangely, led init returns: unrecognized subcommand Feb 24 04:36:53 led current - set current (0..255) for led (1..9) Feb 24 04:37:02 1..9 ?? Feb 24 04:37:14 hidden LED's? Feb 24 04:37:19 maybe on a breakout board Feb 24 04:37:25 ah Feb 24 04:37:31 that would make sense Feb 24 04:37:31 jacques: isn't there a row? Feb 24 04:37:35 like pre plus? Feb 24 04:37:40 or no Feb 24 04:37:53 I've only seen a hirizontal slit in the center of gesture area Feb 24 04:38:03 might be more than one led per light Feb 24 04:38:06 would you guys think it would be useful for Upstart Manager to provide a notification whenever a service starts or stops? Feb 24 04:38:20 i suspect the controller supports 1..9 and we may have only wired up some of them, or double wired a few Feb 24 04:38:21 IIRC on the working pixi, that is Feb 24 04:39:30 geist, good to know Feb 24 04:39:32 jacques: you could probably restart or powercycle to fix the backlight Feb 24 04:39:41 if you don't want to puzzle out the led #'s Feb 24 04:39:56 but probably the backlight is one or more of them Feb 24 04:40:36 not sure what its normal current level is though but you could try stepping it up Feb 24 04:41:07 the LED on the back of the pre looks like it wants to shove 1W into my eyes whenever i turn it on Feb 24 04:41:12 so bright Feb 24 04:42:16 zsoc, if you want Feb 24 04:42:23 we've got this transmitter at work up in the 5500MHz range .. it has a high and low setting .. without thinking, we turned it on today on high and just let it transmit for a couple hours Feb 24 04:42:32 spotter, i spoke slightly too soon, lol, more build issues :/ Feb 24 04:42:43 bpadalino, great idea Feb 24 04:43:14 oh yeah, excellent idea .. especially when we notice it's 28v and sucking like 3.5-4A .. Feb 24 04:43:22 going right into that antenna Feb 24 04:43:24 bpadalino, cancer Feb 24 04:43:31 and... sounds illegal Feb 24 04:43:33 yeah i didn't want kids anyway Feb 24 04:43:50 oh man that's bad Feb 24 04:43:55 yeah i don't even know who has allocation for that frequency around here Feb 24 04:44:05 That's almost 100 watts Feb 24 04:44:14 well, i am sure the PA isn't 100% efficient Feb 24 04:44:16 you could cook an egg D: Feb 24 04:44:26 i am guessing it's 50W coming out of the spigot Feb 24 04:44:28 you can hope heh Feb 24 04:44:40 i've got light bulbs that are less power! Feb 24 04:44:43 still that's pretty serious... Feb 24 04:44:51 erm, more power Feb 24 04:45:03 wait i read that wrong Feb 24 04:45:11 5500mhz, not 550 Feb 24 04:45:16 yeah, 5.5GHz Feb 24 04:45:20 got it Feb 24 04:45:21 bpadalino: hmm 5ghz range channel 100, listed under " To comply with FCC regulations, use of the following frequencies is prohibited in North America: " Feb 24 04:45:57 prohibited?! Feb 24 04:46:12 to 5ghz unlicensed gear at least Feb 24 04:46:13 :) Feb 24 04:46:40 meh... who pays attention to banned frequencies... I run my WiFi on a 'prohibited' channel Feb 24 04:46:59 I live in an apartment and it is the only frequency that isn't saturated with 800 other wifi routers Feb 24 04:47:07 cryptk|work: 13? Feb 24 04:47:12 destinal-home: yep ;) Feb 24 04:47:12 that's what i say .. lets step on em anyway .. they can get a bigger PA if they want Feb 24 04:47:55 destinal-home, you the one that asked me about core ffmpeg issue? Feb 24 04:47:57 I cannot see a single other wifi signal anywhere in my house Feb 24 04:48:13 rwhitby: maybe you need a better antenna! Feb 24 04:48:14 rwhitby: your lucky, try that in an apartment though... Feb 24 04:48:15 rwhitby, that's because rich famous people live in houses with large properties Feb 24 04:48:16 :) Feb 24 04:48:26 rwhitby, I can see 22 networks here Feb 24 04:48:42 zsoc: next houses are 900mm on one side and adjoining at the garage on the other Feb 24 04:48:42 at my apartment I have seen up to 53 Feb 24 04:48:53 getting a little crowded Feb 24 04:49:02 And over 50% of them use wep Feb 24 04:49:04 makes me laugh Feb 24 04:49:15 most of them do use wep actually Feb 24 04:49:24 i keep mine opened up Feb 24 04:49:40 a buddy of mine wanted to see how many I could aircrack in an hour, I stopped at 15 with 20 minutes left Feb 24 04:49:42 with that many wep signals, why bother with your own router ... Feb 24 04:50:01 i used to crack them when i got sick and was stuck in bed... after about a year i ran out (only was sick once...) Feb 24 04:50:07 that is why I use WPA2+TKIP on channel 13 Feb 24 04:51:13 if i was a more malicious person i'd start up some mitm'in and sabatage facebooks Feb 24 04:53:15 haha Feb 24 04:53:32 I am still halfway thinking about trying to get aircrack to work on the pre Feb 24 04:53:44 but I highly doubt it supports promiscuous mode natively Feb 24 04:53:59 so ti would need patched drivers... I don't think I know enough to do that Feb 24 04:54:30 there is a wifi utility on there that you could check out and see if it supports it Feb 24 04:55:07 maybe one day i will check it out Feb 24 04:55:25 but the Upstart Manager is my current priority (aside from work, food, sleep and wife) Feb 24 04:55:38 interesting priorities! Feb 24 04:56:01 not necessarially in that order Feb 24 04:56:07 oh, ok :) Feb 24 04:56:29 my wife tends to pass out on the couch at around 10pm, that's the only way i get anything done :p Feb 24 04:56:36 haha Feb 24 04:57:19 I am not sure what I am going to have to do to fix my emulator... I have tried deleting the virtual disk and reinstalling it... removing the whole palm-sdk and reinstalling... it is still acting up Feb 24 04:57:40 probably have to go in and fix all the bugs Feb 24 04:57:41 :( Feb 24 05:00:11 cryptk|work: I have rebuilt and rereleased upstartmgr just in case something went wrong in the previous build Feb 24 05:00:19 sorry, ISP issues Feb 24 05:00:22 cryptk|work: (but I think it's identical) Feb 24 05:00:40 rwhitby: I will try it again once I get home... I think the problem may be my emulator though Feb 24 05:01:01 even though I have no clue what may have caused it Feb 24 05:01:34 it sure would be convenient if adora came to the channel about now Feb 24 05:02:35 interesting blog - http://rake.sh/blog/2010/02/23/will-apple-tv-become-more-iphone-like-yes-definitely/ Feb 24 05:03:30 jacques: what do you need to ask? Feb 24 05:04:15 rwhitby, what to do about the pixi Feb 24 05:04:37 trade it in for a pixi plus Feb 24 05:05:07 spotter: cause it uses ipkg at the moment Feb 24 05:05:30 bpadalino, :-) Feb 24 05:05:30 jacques: what happened to your pixi? Feb 24 05:05:32 spotter: (that was the answer to why the java service can't use libcurl directly) Feb 24 05:06:36 cryptk|work, it's one palm donated to the project for SCALE Feb 24 05:06:55 cryptk|work, but it fails activation Feb 24 05:07:03 hrm... Feb 24 05:07:11 meta-doctor it and use it for testing Feb 24 05:07:20 bypass activation with MD Feb 24 05:07:41 seems you got your hands on a free developer phone Feb 24 05:07:43 lol Feb 24 05:08:13 (or mail it to me, I will play with it, lol) Feb 24 05:09:35 cryptk|work, but sprint pixis don't have wifi Feb 24 05:09:59 ok, you don't need wifi for a dev phone Feb 24 05:10:19 I would still MD it and use it as a dev/test phone Feb 24 05:10:28 use it to test all of the dangerous stuff Feb 24 05:11:20 did palm give it to you for SCALE and expect it back? Feb 24 05:11:51 you could just hang on to it and we could mail it around in case someone else does a webos-internals booth at some other expo Feb 24 05:12:01 they donated four phones for demoing and giveaways Feb 24 05:12:10 make it the "Webos-Internals Bastard Child Phone" Feb 24 05:12:24 Was the phone previously activated? Feb 24 05:12:34 so they donated phones that don't pass activation for giveaways? Feb 24 05:12:41 Meep, not sure how to tell, but it looked like the other three had been Feb 24 05:12:43 or was it jstu this one doesn't Feb 24 05:12:52 cryptk|work, three activated fine Feb 24 05:12:54 Sprimay be blocking it. Feb 24 05:13:05 Sprint may be blocking it. Feb 24 05:13:21 take it in to a sprint store and ask them to activate it manually Feb 24 05:13:23 wtf is SCALE? Feb 24 05:13:37 Southern CAlifornia Linux Expo Feb 24 05:13:46 i c Feb 24 05:13:48 Webos-Internals had a booth at it Feb 24 05:13:53 http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/ Feb 24 05:14:03 cryptk|work, but I have no proof I have any reason to possess it Feb 24 05:14:06 why the cool stuff always happen in california Feb 24 05:14:06 :S Feb 24 05:14:31 jacques: then just meta-doctor to bypass activation and use it as a dev phone Feb 24 05:14:44 or see if anyone else here needs a dev-pixi Feb 24 05:14:47 and mail it to them Feb 24 05:14:54 cryptk|work, my point is, I don;t think it's very useful with no data service and no wifi Feb 24 05:15:04 i do need a pixi Feb 24 05:15:09 with 3 month free service :D Feb 24 05:15:16 I'm going to at least try everything we can think of before giving up Feb 24 05:15:32 jacques, i told u... call sprint Feb 24 05:15:46 What's the serial number? Feb 24 05:15:47 en0x, I heard you the first three times Feb 24 05:16:06 and I will, just not right this minute - especially if there's something I can do without calling sprint Feb 24 05:16:54 kk Feb 24 05:16:56 ;] Feb 24 05:17:04 I have the feeling calling sprint will be time-consuming and frustrating - if I can somehow fix it myself I would rather do that Feb 24 05:17:11 so when you turn it on it tries to activate and fails and that is it? Feb 24 05:17:13 What's the serial number? Feb 24 05:17:43 Meep, how can I tell? and why do you want to know? Feb 24 05:17:50 cryptk|work, exactly Feb 24 05:17:54 jacques, under the battery Feb 24 05:17:59 serial number is under battery Feb 24 05:18:01 Open the back, look under the battery. Feb 24 05:18:05 ok Feb 24 05:18:22 Chances are the phone is already activated on their network. Feb 24 05:18:24 watch the serial be something like "PALM-DEV-0123456789" Feb 24 05:18:36 Meep: that wouldn't cause it to fail activation Feb 24 05:18:48 otherwise they would fail to activate after each doctor Feb 24 05:18:59 because the phones are already activated Feb 24 05:19:11 ok back is off Feb 24 05:20:05 keep the details private, not in channel Feb 24 05:20:09 gotta get to somewhere with more light to read the serial Feb 24 05:20:13 It should be the one running vertically. It should have SN:P5... Feb 24 05:20:19 just /msg me the number. Feb 24 05:21:00 Meep: what do you need the serial for? Feb 24 05:22:21 rwhitby: I just found an interesting tidbit about powermanagement that may be useful for preware Feb 24 05:22:36 doesn't the processor scale down when the phone sleeps? Feb 24 05:22:50 (which would make feed loading take longer) Feb 24 05:23:09 seems you can request the phone to not sleep for up to 15 minutes at a time Feb 24 05:23:11 i thought that the phone runs all the time at 500mhz Feb 24 05:23:22 I thought I read somewhere that it throttles... Feb 24 05:23:24 It suspends - look at messages. Feb 24 05:23:25 I could be wrong Feb 24 05:23:35 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1797&Itemid=283 Feb 24 05:23:40 yes suspends != throttle Feb 24 05:23:56 en0x: I know... misspoke Feb 24 05:24:18 but you can request it not to for up to 15 minutes Feb 24 05:24:31 someone just told me the Dhali Lama is on twitter now Feb 24 05:24:36 yeah I read that too Feb 24 05:34:59 later yall Feb 24 05:35:15 Use http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1797&Itemid=283 to prevent the device from sleeping. Feb 24 05:36:19 Greetings... having a little post update Preware issue on my Pre if someone is available to help troubleshoot Feb 24 05:36:50 cryptk - sorry. I didn't see your post. Yes. That is the right one I believe. Feb 24 05:37:14 cryptk|work: line 147 of http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=blob;f=app/assistants/update-assistant.js is where we do that in Preware Feb 24 05:37:36 (the screen blanks, but the Pre keeps chugging) Feb 24 05:37:56 rwhitby: ahh, I didn't realize the screen still blanks... Feb 24 05:38:05 I shoulda figured you guys would already be doing that, lol Feb 24 05:38:58 sometimes when my phone is running slow, and i'm not doing anything, i run a dbus-util --capture .. just to remind myself of half of the crap going on in the background Feb 24 05:41:20 en0x: the pre gets clocked up to 600mhz in SDL apps ("turbo mode") Feb 24 05:41:52 yeah, I wish an app could opt out of that Feb 24 05:41:58 to save power Feb 24 05:42:22 Greetings... having a little post update Preware issue on my Pre if someone is available to help troubleshoot Feb 24 05:42:52 jacques: maybe palm has a way to do it but I haven't heard of any. we were talking about a service using inotify and sysfs to override the changes when they occur Feb 24 05:43:13 destinal-home, yeah I still think that's a good idea Feb 24 05:43:19 ssrjazz: what's the issue? Feb 24 05:43:28 jacques: (more for others benefit, I know you were there) :) Feb 24 05:43:36 esp after someone (puff?) found out inotify works on /sys now Feb 24 05:44:01 yeah, was puff Feb 24 05:44:07 I want cpu clock speed in the top bar :-) Feb 24 05:44:20 I did an update all in preware a few minutes ago...and it gave the warning abuot restarting java... but my phone never came back online Feb 24 05:44:53 I'm removing preware and the package manager via webos quick install ... and reinstalling to see if that helps Feb 24 05:45:11 ssrjazz: how long did you wait for it to come back online? Feb 24 05:45:16 hate to say it but I think the pixi is better designed hardware than pre Feb 24 05:45:18 10 minutes Feb 24 05:45:23 it's so rigid Feb 24 05:45:50 jacques: it is the curved slider Feb 24 05:46:07 although the pre feels 1000 times better with a touchstone backplate Feb 24 05:46:13 no squeaks or creaks Feb 24 05:46:17 bbiab, smoke time Feb 24 05:46:27 yeah, the original backplate is junk IMO Feb 24 05:46:40 ssrjazz: ok, if it happens again, connect with wosqi and we'll do some debugging with the linux command line Feb 24 05:46:44 yeah I love by touchstone backplate - no longer feels like it's going to squirt right out of my hand Feb 24 05:51:03 how do I run a script on shutdown? Since installing openssh, my pre hangs on reboot. Killing sshd fixes it. I just want to throw in a script on init 0 or 6 that does it for me Feb 24 05:52:10 dick-richardson - read up on upstart. Feb 24 05:52:21 Meep: thank you :) Feb 24 06:01:36 @zsoc Hey are you Prenosicator on Precentral? I have quite a large library of ogg and flac files and would be stoked to help you test your plugins for those filetypes Feb 24 06:01:57 dick-richardson: which method did you use to install openssh? bootstrap script or preware? Feb 24 06:02:14 rwhitby: preware Feb 24 06:02:17 dick-richardson: I'll be interested in working how why you're getting a hang on reboot Feb 24 06:02:39 Bazirker, awesome, but it's 1am here :) PM me on the forums and we'll meet up during the week? Feb 24 06:02:52 will do, 1am my time too Feb 24 06:03:22 kk Feb 24 06:07:32 gotta relocate - biab Feb 24 06:27:57 I take that back, it's the established ssh tunnel I have that causes it to hang Feb 24 06:28:35 i.e. killall ssh NOT killall sshd Feb 24 06:29:58 dick-richardson: ah, an outgoing ssh connection that is active? Feb 24 06:38:55 back Feb 24 06:46:21 dick-richardson: did the preware install with keys all work properly for you? Feb 24 08:25:46 Hello Feb 24 08:25:50 ??? Feb 24 08:28:42 morning Feb 24 08:32:36 fish fillets if not launching Feb 24 09:22:02 yawn Feb 24 09:22:04 sup? Feb 24 09:54:42 hi Feb 24 09:55:35 need some help regarding inofficial PDK Feb 24 09:59:31 *unofficial Feb 24 10:00:12 ok Feb 24 10:16:30 ugh my network time is screwed, its not changing time when device sleeps Feb 24 10:16:37 all of a sudden Feb 24 10:16:50 rebooted,,done aeroplane mode etc still the same Feb 24 11:18:14 hey Feb 24 11:38:29 ugh, i'm gonna stop replying to patch support emails that are along the lines of "pat wont uninstall or update" if they don't have the time to tell me what device, software version, and patch version they are running i dont have the time to reply Feb 24 14:18:05 oh i gotta exchange my touchstone :S Feb 24 14:18:15 i got the charging cycle Feb 24 14:26:34 ya know, dude, that your rug really tied the room together Feb 24 14:27:14 hmm Feb 24 14:52:35 1.4 is out!!! Feb 24 14:52:35 omg Feb 24 14:52:52 really? Feb 24 14:52:59 I call BS Feb 24 14:53:07 en0x: this is fun Feb 24 14:53:26 :D Feb 24 14:53:52 i heard rumors that it will be 1.4.5 Feb 24 14:53:58 with voice dial Feb 24 14:54:34 so I called palm and one of the guys who work there confirmed... he is a good buddy all the issues that I have he is taking care of Feb 24 14:55:20 1.4.6 will offer support with wireless printers, and will include a function to PRINT MONEY Feb 24 14:55:33 VincentLaw, oh that's so k3wl Feb 24 14:55:34 wait, that's the nintendophone not the pre Feb 24 14:57:48 PuffTheMagic: if you're saying it's released, it isn't, because if it were, you wouldn't be in here talking about it, you'd be too busy playing with it. Feb 24 14:57:56 :p Feb 24 14:58:15 [; Feb 24 14:58:22 he just wanted to let u know Feb 24 14:58:24 App updates need an auto-update option Feb 24 14:58:28 and now he is playing with the 1.4 Feb 24 15:05:32 PuffTheMagic, the 1.4 is nice... I see a little speed improvement... oh shit it got bt keyboard profiles! Feb 24 15:06:08 finally now I can hook up my bt keyboard to the pre Feb 24 15:06:09 ;D Feb 24 15:14:18 en0x: how's flash? oh and i heard that they're including openoffice in 1.4 to make it more productive Feb 24 15:14:21 lol Feb 24 15:15:34 loot-, no flash yet... maybe they will release it later today Feb 24 15:15:56 im trolling anyways Feb 24 15:16:04 u r not the only one :D Feb 24 15:17:29 * loot- shakes fist at how large kde 4 is Feb 24 15:18:07 i read an article yesterday Feb 24 15:18:23 saying that enlightenment is coming back to help ubuntu onto smart phones Feb 24 15:18:26 i just had to laugh Feb 24 15:19:28 thats just slly Feb 24 15:19:30 "_ Feb 24 15:19:38 :) Feb 24 15:20:38 yea the article claimed that no phones do 3d acceleration and a bunch of other totally invalid stuff Feb 24 15:21:04 but raster you should make englithenment run on a nokia n900 Feb 24 15:21:06 they need help Feb 24 15:21:07 :P Feb 24 15:21:44 loot-: type "make". nothing left to do Feb 24 15:22:12 man woman Feb 24 15:22:29 i dont know what arical u are reading - dont think i've heard of it but by your comments - it soudns silly Feb 24 15:22:40 dont get me wrong Feb 24 15:22:50 i was a long time enlightenment user Feb 24 15:23:07 i spent many hours getting it compiled and running smoothly with dtlogin on sparcs and what not for years Feb 24 15:23:12 but on a phone it just seems pointless Feb 24 15:23:15 lol Feb 24 15:23:56 actually it isnt Feb 24 15:24:10 its probably well ahead of most thingsz Feb 24 15:24:15 in many qays beyond qt Feb 24 15:24:17 and gtk as well Feb 24 15:24:35 for 2d rendering yes i agree... but on a phone? Feb 24 15:24:44 yes Feb 24 15:24:46 on a phone Feb 24 15:24:52 * loot- shrugs Feb 24 15:24:57 better than an iphone thats for sure Feb 24 15:24:58 haha Feb 24 15:24:59 you probably are way behind on the status of e Feb 24 15:25:00 :) Feb 24 15:25:15 im not that far behind i dont think.. Feb 24 15:25:29 i ran e17 a couple years ago when you guys started up development again Feb 24 15:25:37 you are far behind :) Feb 24 15:25:57 * loot- catches up Feb 24 15:26:35 ill see if i can find that article Feb 24 15:26:43 e has a whole touchscreen toolkit - finger drivern from "out of the box" with scalable ui (no special work needed to make it scaleable - it just is out of the box) Feb 24 15:26:47 amusing that you are unaware of it so the claims are probably baseless Feb 24 15:26:55 oh wow Feb 24 15:26:58 you guys have been busy Feb 24 15:26:59 nice Feb 24 15:27:08 so out of the box just slide things with a finger Feb 24 15:27:13 unliek the gtk and qt stuff i know of Feb 24 15:27:13 i have 2 12" point of sale type elotouch screens Feb 24 15:27:18 no special new 'finger friendly" widget needed Feb 24 15:27:22 the default does it Feb 24 15:27:32 open-gl-es2 engines too Feb 24 15:27:33 is it multitouch compatible? Feb 24 15:27:40 as well as full desktop gl, software, xrender, dfb... and more Feb 24 15:27:56 windows ce support, sdl support.. sdl-gl support too now. Feb 24 15:27:59 yes Feb 24 15:28:02 its mt capable Feb 24 15:28:04 already works Feb 24 15:28:07 wow Feb 24 15:28:09 hell check elementary test Feb 24 15:28:11 you guys have been busy Feb 24 15:28:15 down near the bototm of the list a "multicouch test" Feb 24 15:28:20 raster, so when we will see stable? :> Feb 24 15:28:31 [; Feb 24 15:28:40 enlightenment was always stable anyways even though there were hardly any actual "releases" Feb 24 15:28:41 en0x: soon enough Feb 24 15:28:58 i ran snapshots of e for so long Feb 24 15:28:59 if u have followed out lists and dev u will see we have been doing api cleanups/killing getting rid of things for alpha Feb 24 15:29:17 god... i remember compiling E on slackware way back in like 1997 Feb 24 15:29:21 haha Feb 24 15:29:23 loot-: oh also evas supports 3d too - uc an apply mappings to objects to make them rotate in 2 and 3d. etc. etc. Feb 24 15:29:33 and that also works without opengl - and fast too. Feb 24 15:29:37 as theres a softeware engine Feb 24 15:29:38 raster: holy crap, that sounds awesome. I too was an e16 user for many years but haven't really followed things in several years. Feb 24 15:29:38 oh wow Feb 24 15:29:48 as i said.. you're not up with things Feb 24 15:29:58 e17 has a full compositor Feb 24 15:29:59 ok now i gotta go grab a snapshot of latest tree and try this out Feb 24 15:30:02 lol Feb 24 15:30:09 works without xrender or hw - software compositing works - hel its very usable on a desktop. Feb 24 15:30:20 it also does gl - again via the evas gl eninge - and texture-form-pixmap is supported Feb 24 15:30:25 i still use Eterm to this day Feb 24 15:30:28 over any other terminal Feb 24 15:30:30 no title bar Feb 24 15:30:32 no scroll bar Feb 24 15:30:42 transparent background with heavy tint Feb 24 15:30:43 lol Feb 24 15:30:45 edje is a large blob of technoloigy pretty much nothing else comes close to toolk-tiwse Feb 24 15:30:48 vga.pcf font Feb 24 15:30:51 elementary and e are totally centered around it Feb 24 15:31:24 the equivalewnty would be clsoe to gtk and qt using flash (swf) for all widgets (scrollers, buttons, checkboxes.. entries. you name it) Feb 24 15:31:47 edje not only defines colors and some "bg pixmaps" Feb 24 15:31:57 in a portable device-neutral fashion Feb 24 15:32:13 oh wow Feb 24 15:32:32 it defines full layout, spacing, scaling, animation, interaction with events, tweening, rotation, 3d effects to any object(s) and more Feb 24 15:32:36 if i wasnt compiling hundreds of packages updating my gentoo box Feb 24 15:32:38 i'd try this out right now Feb 24 15:32:46 this is all the base of the toolkit liek elementary - and evas Feb 24 15:32:51 we havent been twiddling our thumbs Feb 24 15:32:57 we've been focusing on our core technology Feb 24 15:32:59 this is going to be very cool on my touchscreens Feb 24 15:33:03 i have a bar in my house Feb 24 15:33:11 the wm has taken a back-seat n our work. core libraries and tech have been the major focus Feb 24 15:33:19 and i was thinking about setting up a dual touchscreen juke box kinda deal Feb 24 15:33:29 and E with audacious will be pretty sweet i think Feb 24 15:33:29 so - my suggestion.. dont dispmiss e Feb 24 15:34:00 it works silky smooth 100fps+ rendering.. with compositing.. in x11... with elementary scrollign fulslcreen stuff around with multipel layers of alpha blending.. Feb 24 15:34:07 raster: yea i was just saying for phones originally because i always viewed E as a nice desktop WM with plenty of power but not full of bloat Feb 24 15:34:13 and that is on this phone on my desktop.. 480x800 too. Feb 24 15:34:23 thats using opengl-es2 for all the work Feb 24 15:34:40 but it manages not too badly entirely in software too Feb 24 15:34:49 unlike mesa trying to do gl and clutter in software Feb 24 15:34:50 good luck Feb 24 15:34:51 :) Feb 24 15:34:53 well that was always my big appeal with E back in the day Feb 24 15:35:00 anyone know of a patch of app that will lock the screen? my power button popped off this morning and I can't lock the screen without it Feb 24 15:35:05 was its ability to do software 2d rendering very well Feb 24 15:35:15 it still does Feb 24 15:35:17 and it's improved Feb 24 15:35:26 AND it can leverage your hw units - if thats available Feb 24 15:35:37 oh i dont doubt it im just remembering how fast the animations were on e16 a decade ago so they must be a lot better today Feb 24 15:35:48 the reason arm+_ubuntu are relenting to use efl as opposed to stickign to their total gnome technology only focus is.. that simply efl does what nothing else can Feb 24 15:36:04 u can get eyecandy - abstraction, easy of developement AND speed Feb 24 15:36:22 e's probably got a much smaller memory footprint than gnome too Feb 24 15:36:31 gnome is a cow IMO Feb 24 15:36:46 efl side-stepped gtk stuff long ago - only qt has seemingly kept up. i';d say "pick yuour favorite" if ua re after best technology for something with a modern ui Feb 24 15:37:02 and qt has a large set of developers paid fulltime behind it Feb 24 15:37:11 so sure - it will have a lot of things that are more mature Feb 24 15:37:12 ..reboot... Feb 24 15:37:26 but gtk vs efl - it's give or take equivalent technology Feb 24 15:37:29 yea i like qt/kde on desktops for productivity or for desktops for people just being introduced to *nix from windows because the layout is very close Feb 24 15:37:32 use emotion and stick a video object in your canvas Feb 24 15:37:39 it will get fully accelerated with opengl and shaders Feb 24 15:37:43 if u use the gl engine Feb 24 15:37:59 hmm Feb 24 15:38:01 the softwre engine is fast enough in softwre to play full hd video withou framedrops on my media center Feb 24 15:38:04 that being the case Feb 24 15:38:15 can you run applications as your desktop background? Feb 24 15:38:15 the video object is trivial to use Feb 24 15:38:24 u can write a dvd player in < 20 lines of c code Feb 24 15:38:49 well not applications - no. e17's setup is different - the desktop os owned by the wm and it controls it - internally Feb 24 15:38:56 u could do a module to stick things in there Feb 24 15:38:56 who can like kde? kde 4.x is a total crap... so slow on old hardware if you don't have a graphic card with hw accelleration u can forget about using kde4 Feb 24 15:39:02 there are several of them that swizzle with the desktop canvas Feb 24 15:39:02 hmmmm Feb 24 15:39:05 i may try that Feb 24 15:39:13 like flame and penguins modules Feb 24 15:39:21 i wouldnt mind using telescope observatory images in real time as my desktop background Feb 24 15:40:11 raster: you have a pre? Feb 24 15:40:19 and you have e running on your pre already? Feb 24 15:40:19 nah Feb 24 15:40:21 ah Feb 24 15:40:26 xcomp has one Feb 24 15:40:34 he fixed up sdl support a bit for it to work Feb 24 15:40:41 and also helped on the sdl-gl support for it Feb 24 15:40:59 i have e runing on phones with native linux+x11+e as the core system Feb 24 15:41:08 not hacked-on post-purchase Feb 24 15:41:13 oh wow Feb 24 15:41:17 what phones? Feb 24 15:41:22 prototypes atm Feb 24 15:41:26 not for sale yet Feb 24 15:41:34 will be when they are ready Feb 24 15:41:38 cortex a8 based? Feb 24 15:41:47 not just phones - lots of devices - from phones to netbooks, tablets and tv's Feb 24 15:41:49 yes Feb 24 15:41:54 nice Feb 24 15:41:55 a fair bit faster than the pre Feb 24 15:42:13 faster doesnt always mean better Feb 24 15:42:18 power management is still a big problem Feb 24 15:42:20 it does for me Feb 24 15:42:28 as i have 480x800 pixels worth to render Feb 24 15:42:29 :) Feb 24 15:42:43 well if you a power plug always near by yea no biggie Feb 24 15:42:53 no need for that Feb 24 15:43:01 it'll probably use less pwoer than the pre Feb 24 15:43:04 :) Feb 24 15:43:09 hehe Feb 24 15:43:19 do let us know when some prototypes are up for sale Feb 24 15:43:19 considering its built on a better tech - i think its 45nm Feb 24 15:43:28 im also working on some arm stuff myself but not for phones Feb 24 15:43:33 also in prototype phase Feb 24 15:44:21 last i knew the omap3430 was 60nm - no? Feb 24 15:44:32 anyway - also more advanced sgx in it Feb 24 15:44:37 and screen is super amoled Feb 24 15:44:47 so alreayd saving a packet of power on the screen tech alone Feb 24 15:44:58 thus - likely will eat less power than pre Feb 24 15:45:16 hmm raster you also run... some other site too that i use i think Feb 24 15:45:20 maybe im thinking of the wrong person Feb 24 15:45:24 cuddletech? Feb 24 15:45:57 oh no Feb 24 15:46:01 thats ben rockwood Feb 24 15:46:03 nah Feb 24 15:46:05 thats benr Feb 24 15:46:10 i dont run sites Feb 24 15:46:15 i just sponge off them Feb 24 15:46:16 :) Feb 24 15:46:22 wel ok rasterman.com is me personally Feb 24 15:46:31 extremechicken.org is extreme Feb 24 15:46:41 damn it now i have to wait 6 hours to go try out the new E Feb 24 15:46:42 and enlightenment.org is more of a group effort Feb 24 15:46:42 :) Feb 24 15:46:42 lol Feb 24 15:46:49 anyway Feb 24 15:46:54 just fyi - e hasnt stood still Feb 24 15:47:00 have you tried x-plane while using a gl renderer in E? Feb 24 15:47:00 we cop lots of shit for nto releasing e17 Feb 24 15:47:25 but those people just dont know we've been working on core technology behind it all focused mostly on embedded - desktop is just a ncie test example Feb 24 15:47:32 i notice like ~20fps difference in kde when i suspend composite rendering Feb 24 15:47:37 nah - havent Feb 24 15:47:52 hopefully its less of an impact Feb 24 15:47:53 but compositing will hurt rendering per for pretty much any app Feb 24 15:48:11 yea but im just wondering how much of an impact it might make Feb 24 15:48:17 it might be justification for me to switch WM's Feb 24 15:48:26 probably roughly the same Feb 24 15:48:31 so i get better virtualbox 3d performance and native x-plane in linux Feb 24 15:48:32 but u wont know unelss u try Feb 24 15:48:42 yes indeed Feb 24 15:48:50 going to try tonight when i get home from work Feb 24 15:48:52 drivers will have a big impact Feb 24 15:49:15 pretty much - if its not nvidia.. or the drivers for my soc here (where i get to beat the driver coders :))... it will suck :) Feb 24 15:49:19 running the nvidia proprietary drivers right now Feb 24 15:49:26 u shoul dbe fine then Feb 24 15:49:33 what i have - using them right now Feb 24 15:50:21 haha damn you for getting me excited about something i cant touch for many hours Feb 24 15:50:28 :) Feb 24 15:50:34 so... in conclusion Feb 24 15:50:38 e does make sense on phones :) Feb 24 15:50:42 at least ill have something to think about while coding today Feb 24 15:50:54 i have much of that sense staring at me right now with a whole bunch of oled goodness :) Feb 24 15:51:08 my cubicle is ridiculous Feb 24 15:51:15 i have 4 sun ray 270's Feb 24 15:51:18 4 dell desktops Feb 24 15:51:19 2 laptops Feb 24 15:51:23 a managed switch Feb 24 15:51:31 an asa Feb 24 15:51:31 sounds like my office @ home Feb 24 15:51:36 and like piles of cables all around me Feb 24 15:51:40 tho i prefer 1 good desktop Feb 24 15:51:49 but a few laptops floating aroudn doing.. things Feb 24 15:51:56 yea i have all the thin clients because they're all on different networks Feb 24 15:52:06 multiple screens attached to 1 desktop.. and a small army of gadgets hooked onto usb with little glowing screens Feb 24 15:52:07 i mainly use 1 desktop and 1 laptop Feb 24 15:52:13 haha Feb 24 15:52:18 you must be a fan of synergy then Feb 24 15:52:18 same Feb 24 15:52:23 nah Feb 24 15:52:30 desktop has 2 screens Feb 24 15:52:34 ah Feb 24 15:52:34 they span the entire desk Feb 24 15:52:42 my desktop is actually 2 computers Feb 24 15:52:43 (21 and 27") Feb 24 15:52:50 because i have to have a damn windows machine on the domain here Feb 24 15:52:53 well ok -0 i have some spare space Feb 24 15:53:18 i use to have an insane desktop at home Feb 24 15:53:23 with 2 40" lcds Feb 24 15:53:26 http://www.rasterman.com/files/desk31.jpg Feb 24 15:53:29 2 touchscreens Feb 24 15:53:32 etc Feb 24 15:53:34 thats enough Feb 24 15:53:38 it was a waste though i never used the space Feb 24 15:53:41 laprtop folows me when i go places Feb 24 15:53:42 1 40" is more than enough Feb 24 15:54:05 haha i should find my college desktop picture Feb 24 15:54:07 other laptops have lids closed doing their separate things Feb 24 15:54:16 but i get u Feb 24 15:54:17 with a stack of 40 dell optiplex gx260's Feb 24 15:54:20 tho i am tired of damned cables Feb 24 15:54:45 one day i will make a desk where i can build powerstrips into thr desk Feb 24 15:54:47 hidden away Feb 24 15:54:52 as well as al the cabling too Feb 24 15:54:57 when a company went bankrupt i was given a pile of computers to help them sell off their assets Feb 24 15:54:59 damned bloody cables Feb 24 15:55:02 ended up getting like 50 dell's Feb 24 15:55:06 2 DLP projectors Feb 24 15:55:08 touchscreens Feb 24 15:55:10 you name it Feb 24 15:55:11 haha Feb 24 15:55:54 i keep it simple now Feb 24 15:56:08 my office has a desktop with a single 24" screen Feb 24 15:56:16 and my shop has a rack full of gear Feb 24 15:56:23 that way i dont have cables to deal with Feb 24 15:56:24 noise Feb 24 15:56:25 heat Feb 24 15:56:26 etc Feb 24 15:56:55 my sun blade 2500 raises the temperature of an average room by 5 degrees within a few hours Feb 24 15:57:10 it would Feb 24 15:57:17 and dual 10k rpm fcal drives thing sounds like thunder when its doing a lot of reads Feb 24 15:57:18 i'm all bout trying to keep things cool Feb 24 15:57:21 its alreayd too hot Feb 24 15:57:29 yea Feb 24 15:57:35 i have replaced all of my x86 machines Feb 24 15:57:38 with intel atom's Feb 24 15:57:42 main 330's Feb 24 15:57:44 mainly* Feb 24 15:57:57 now i can run 8 machines and its quiet and cool Feb 24 15:58:02 good call Feb 24 15:58:12 tho i'd go for fewer big machines Feb 24 15:58:18 i have one big one Feb 24 15:58:19 eg a quad-core i7 Feb 24 15:58:23 my desktops i7 Feb 24 15:58:31 with a few gb of ram Feb 24 15:58:32 my border router is a quad core q6700 Feb 24 15:58:32 and thats it Feb 24 15:58:38 that can be desktop - and do everything on it Feb 24 15:58:41 my border router is mini-itx form factor Feb 24 15:58:44 yet its a quad core with 4 gigs of ram Feb 24 15:58:50 and 4 broadcom gigabit nics Feb 24 15:58:53 tho need to kepe media box as well.. tv neds to work even if i'm destroygin efl :) Feb 24 15:59:02 why evenhave a router? Feb 24 15:59:09 my wireless access point does my routine Feb 24 15:59:11 err routing Feb 24 15:59:16 little mps thing with linux on it Feb 24 15:59:18 i have 3 LANs at home and people connect to one for development Feb 24 15:59:20 so Feb 24 15:59:23 wonderful 16m of ram Feb 24 15:59:28 does a wonderful job Feb 24 15:59:29 my border has 4 interfaces 1 for each lan Feb 24 15:59:42 way too much complexity for me Feb 24 15:59:42 :) Feb 24 15:59:47 my DMZ LAN is run off a cisco ASA 5505 Feb 24 15:59:55 and then the other 2 lans are behind atom firewalls Feb 24 16:00:00 my house Feb 24 16:00:04 has a managed gigabit switch Feb 24 16:00:14 with rj45 wall plates in every room Feb 24 16:00:18 and its 4 stories Feb 24 16:00:23 so its a considerable sized network Feb 24 16:01:26 i basically have a corporate network and a private home network running out of the same place so i had to put a lot of infrastructure in place to keep them properly segmented Feb 24 16:03:04 i wired my mom's house like that. 4 rj45 jacks in each room, 2 on opposing walls so you would never have to cross a doorway to get to connectivity Feb 24 16:03:16 was great to do while they were building it Feb 24 16:03:27 yea i dont like wifi for anything sensitive what so ever Feb 24 16:03:34 figured it'd come back to me eventually... now she wants to sell it~ Feb 24 16:03:40 plus wifi is terrible for gaming when you have to span 4 stories Feb 24 16:04:20 having port security on my wall plates is also slick Feb 24 16:04:20 haha Feb 24 16:04:23 i use wifi for laptops only rest of the desktops at my house is wired Feb 24 16:04:31 so now i'm looking at a 1950's brick 2 story farmhouse... might gut it and rebuild the inside myself, and it'll get wired the same way, except now i've learned conduit is a wonderful thing:) Feb 24 16:04:54 my laptops got a built in EVDO modem so i never really needed wireless Feb 24 16:04:57 loot-: as i said.. way too much complexioty for me network wise Feb 24 16:05:15 raster: yea it distracted me from programming for a few months while i was setting it up Feb 24 16:05:17 a simpele ethernet cable for my desktop and media center going to the wireless ap - and everything else on nice simple wifi does it for me Feb 24 16:05:18 :) Feb 24 16:05:25 once i lease office space half of this crap is coming out though Feb 24 16:05:26 lol Feb 24 16:05:29 gotta keep your wife away from your porn :) network segmentation ftw Feb 24 16:05:36 wireless access point handles port-forwarding input ports where appropriate and thats all i need Feb 24 16:05:52 dhcp does the rest with fixed mac -> ip mapping and local mini-dns on router Feb 24 16:05:53 also keeps her virii away from my machines Feb 24 16:06:03 damn she clicks yes to everything~ Feb 24 16:06:08 haha Feb 24 16:06:19 make her use linux Feb 24 16:06:28 let her click yes to everything Feb 24 16:06:32 lol Feb 24 16:06:36 heh Feb 24 16:07:06 i dont run windows... at all Feb 24 16:07:14 so anyone wanting to use a computer at my house Feb 24 16:07:28 has no choice but to use it Feb 24 16:07:37 anyone have a commandline fix for installing preware? I've been trying to install it a few times and it seems that only the package manager service is actually installing Feb 24 16:07:56 I've been installing from bit.ly/preware-bootstrap Feb 24 16:07:57 good call Feb 24 16:08:17 and it's hard for me to get to wosqi at the moment Feb 24 16:08:19 tho ... at times some vendors just force u into windows just to deal with them Feb 24 16:08:45 raster: i usually cheat then even and just run xp in a virtualbox Feb 24 16:33:00 hello? :) I'm working on getting a set of libraries packaged up for the Pre, and I'm trying to figure out the best way to put them out for others to use Feb 24 16:33:52 there are two problems, (1) The package as it currently stands is 67Meg (2) it needs postinst/prerm scripts Feb 24 16:34:46 I put a test feed up for preware, but it's been running all morning on wifi. That looks like a bad choice... so, what's the easiest way to let users download the package and install it themselves? Feb 24 16:35:00 is there a way to load packages from /media/internal someplace in preware? Feb 24 16:35:25 I hope someone answers you, its really hard to get any response in here most of the time Feb 24 16:35:44 yeah, that's normal I suppose Feb 24 16:35:53 ya Feb 24 16:36:49 Im having much simpler troubles.. ;),. trying to locate a pesky file, that is like a ghost on my pre, and I cant delete via normal channels because it does not apear to be there Feb 24 16:36:58 yet its on the list of my videos grrr Feb 24 16:38:05 ah. do you have a working novaterm or terminal of some kind? Feb 24 16:38:35 all of the above, right now grazing thru a putty session Feb 24 16:38:46 looked via straight USB mode, Feb 24 16:38:54 via a WinSCP session Feb 24 16:38:58 Novaterm session Feb 24 16:39:00 putty session Feb 24 16:39:08 can't find it with something like "cd / ; find . | grep PartOfFilenameIWantToLocate" ? Feb 24 16:39:10 the freaking file does NOT exist Feb 24 16:39:20 tried find, grep, egrep Feb 24 16:39:42 looked all thru every directory in internal/media Feb 24 16:39:59 hmm, so it must have a title string someplace pointing to it Feb 24 16:40:08 ya its some kind of indexing issue, Feb 24 16:40:25 tried Jasons advanced Launcher fileindex rescan Feb 24 16:40:29 unfortunately, I'm not terribly deep into the Pre at the moment. I'm mostly playing with it just to get these libraries ported to it Feb 24 16:40:29 no change.. Feb 24 16:40:41 what kind of libraries are they? Feb 24 16:40:50 Qt platform. Feb 24 16:41:45 It's the platform underneath KDE on Linux, and lots of other stuff. Feb 24 16:42:07 and what will it do for the Pre? Feb 24 16:43:20 Well, it depends on how many people use it to bring Qt-based apps to the Pre. Qt is the closest thing to a modern truly cross-platform native GUI toolkit out there Feb 24 16:44:02 Nokia's phones are moving to it, Intel's Linux-based platform is going to use it now, it's in all kinds of embedded systems... etc Feb 24 16:44:06 ok, well good luck with it.. Feb 24 16:44:31 Im a little familiar with KDE , I have that GUI on a Xandros based net book Feb 24 16:46:29 I've got an app for a client written for Symbian (Nokia phones, mostly), and now it works on the Pre. I'll probably add Android, then maybe iPhone. All with minimal changes between platforms. iPhone would probably always require jailbreaking though. Any developer will be able to do the same, once Qt is on each platform Feb 24 16:48:03 interestng Feb 24 16:52:37 anyone know if webos supports: -webkit-transform: rotate(-90deg); Feb 24 16:54:09 squeek Feb 24 16:55:53 oh wow, that was dumb. Okay, so the package is now 19Meg. I don't know why I thought ar used compression. Feb 24 16:56:25 I guess i just wasn't thinking Feb 24 16:58:00 (the answer to my question was yes) Feb 24 17:00:47 yes someone knows, or yes it supports it? technically your question was is anyone knew Feb 24 17:00:55 is/if Feb 24 17:00:59 bleh Feb 24 17:01:27 yes to both now :p Feb 24 17:01:31 good to hear Feb 24 17:02:14 I don't think UPS has managed to successfully overnight me a package ever... why the hell do I keep trying Feb 24 17:05:36 I can overnight something to you if you live in San Fran. Feb 24 17:06:30 Well, I'll walk it over, but hey, it's overnight. Feb 24 17:13:15 what's the largest package on preware? How big is too big? :) Feb 24 17:15:49 oh, wait... I didn't screw up. "palm-package ." must have actually made multiple copies of everything that was symlinked Feb 24 17:16:17 so, no symlinks with palm-package? Feb 24 17:18:23 it took ~48Meg worth of libs... with a symlink pointing to the same lib folder, and most libs having a symlink to themselves. Compressed, it's 19Meg. The package without pre-tarring is 67Meg. It's probably made 4 copies of everything. Feb 24 17:19:44 well, anyway... I'll wait for a response on the forums. not much going on here. Feb 24 17:27:55 games in app cat are much larger than 19 MB ;) Feb 24 17:32:19 he left Feb 24 17:32:41 but I was going to say the symlink thing is probably due to the inability to symlink in /media/cryptofs Feb 24 17:33:26 though I'd think it would be smarter if palm accounted for that in the install script instead of the package Feb 24 17:33:45 yea he needs some widk Feb 24 18:33:16 infobot: it's quiet Feb 24 18:33:17 too quiet. Feb 24 18:42:08 heya Feb 24 18:55:11 Is it possible/is anyone willing to write a patch to enable gesture tap/orange button tap to delete photos? Feb 24 18:57:10 from the grid view of course Feb 24 19:05:01 ping rwhitby Feb 24 19:05:09 omfg Feb 24 19:05:16 there is a kama sutra app in the catalog Feb 24 19:05:16 ;D Feb 24 19:05:21 and it's free!!!! Feb 24 19:05:29 did you look at it? Feb 24 19:05:37 it's two chicks!!! in underwear Feb 24 19:05:38 of course downloading now :p Feb 24 19:06:37 who wants clothed chicks showing kama sutra? Feb 24 19:06:49 i'll pass :) Feb 24 19:10:23 I agree with swisstomcat Feb 24 19:10:37 dont worry Feb 24 19:10:41 you'll have flash soon Feb 24 19:10:52 you can browse all the internet porn your little "heart" desires Feb 24 19:10:53 haha Feb 24 19:10:53 hehe Feb 24 19:10:57 hahaha Feb 24 19:11:36 Though a good kama sutra app would be kinda cool Feb 24 19:12:17 i can see it now... some jack ass in a doctors office watching porn on his phone and a little kid catches him... law suit.. etc Feb 24 19:14:56 they already passed a law in DC that it's illegal to watch porn in your vehicle because people were driving around with hardcore porn playing on their entertainment screens and drivers behind them could see it clearly Feb 24 19:16:26 really Feb 24 19:16:39 with kids on the back-seat? Feb 24 19:16:47 im sure some of them do yes :P Feb 24 19:17:23 lol Feb 24 19:35:00 do u know of any other websites similar to project appetite? Feb 24 19:47:42 http://www.myappbox.com/ Feb 24 19:49:22 bhern, thanks Feb 24 20:52:07 * Mousey waves Feb 24 20:52:57 * swisstomcat waves back Feb 24 20:53:08 where did adora go? Feb 24 20:56:10 the FB is quite slow, isn't it? Feb 24 20:56:18 i dont use it Feb 24 20:56:48 morning Feb 24 20:56:55 I have Duke3D running, but it's slower than on my old Centro Feb 24 20:57:00 moin Feb 24 20:57:09 fb for me is a crap no privacy Feb 24 20:57:15 g'day rwhitby Feb 24 20:57:20 FB: framebuffer Feb 24 20:57:35 hahaha Feb 24 20:57:39 oh i thought you meant facebook Feb 24 20:57:39 lol Feb 24 20:57:40 :D Feb 24 20:57:43 hehe Feb 24 20:57:44 hey guys, have any of you ever had an experience where you can't install preware? It seems that the package manager service will install but i cant get preware to install at all, via webosquickinstall, or the preware bootstrap (http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap) via commandline Feb 24 20:57:46 self-pwnt Feb 24 20:58:00 what error do you get knick Feb 24 20:58:01 it doesnt show any error, just doesn't show up on my phone Feb 24 20:58:02 how does the install fail? Feb 24 20:58:04 knickrox13, what errors u get? Feb 24 20:58:11 nothing, thats the weirdest part Feb 24 20:58:17 knickrox13: the preware bootstrap writes a logfile Feb 24 20:58:20 is there any way that i can manually remove preware, and then maybe try again Feb 24 20:58:26 where? ill take a look Feb 24 20:58:28 morning rwhitby Feb 24 20:58:48 knickrox13: did you download it to /tmp? the logfile should be there Feb 24 20:58:52 yeah Feb 24 20:59:04 okay ill try again and take a look. thanks guys Feb 24 21:02:51 knickrox13: there's a log in /tmp - what does it say? Feb 24 21:03:38 Collected errors: Feb 24 21:03:38 Package org.webosinternals.preware md5sum mismatch. Either the ipkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'ipkg update'. Feb 24 21:04:02 everything else turned out OK to the installer besides that Feb 24 21:04:12 rwhitby, jacques: i've secured a spot at the swiss open source conference to present webos-internals Feb 24 21:04:26 (not sure if you got the pm's) Feb 24 21:05:35 If it helps, the problem first began when I updated preware...via preware in the last update I believe Feb 24 21:05:48 and then preware just disappeared Feb 24 21:06:14 swisstomcat: nice Feb 24 21:06:36 now i need to talk to palm Feb 24 21:07:47 knickrox13: do an "ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps update" first Feb 24 21:09:27 ping zsoc Feb 24 21:11:06 2.6.33 is out Feb 24 21:12:43 http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges damn I love kernelnewbies Feb 24 21:13:02 thank you +rwhitby Feb 24 21:13:18 for now AND every other time youve figured out how to fix my phone haha Feb 24 21:14:06 knickrox13: now we need to work out how to make that part of the script Feb 24 21:17:33 # Feb 24 21:17:33 PM: CPUidle: base driver and support for C1-C2 (commit) Feb 24 21:17:46 new support in 2.6.33 for arm omap3's Feb 24 21:18:38 ah, they finally bumped Android Feb 24 21:18:55 right right...while i have you here rwhitby, I can't seem to uninstall or update the 'Hide App Vendors,' I'm getting a failure during pre-remove script execution Feb 24 21:19:24 knickrox13: yeah, that one has a bug in it I think - there's threads on it on PreCentral Feb 24 21:19:41 Oh, okay ill check them out thanks a ton Feb 24 21:27:54 night everyone Feb 24 21:28:44 night Feb 24 21:30:07 * rwhitby bbl Feb 24 21:31:32 So I'm poking around with scummvm, are there any ways with the pre keyboard to do keys like f1-f10 or anything? (don't see anything on scumms webos-internals wiki page) Feb 24 21:37:22 Duke3d: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54kzs_voMP8 Feb 24 21:45:11 usa #1 Feb 24 22:40:27 Greetings Feb 24 22:42:39 Can anyone lend a hand with a tech-question? Feb 24 22:45:08 How can I update Preware from my phone terminal? Feb 24 22:45:26 I can't SSH in and my cable is messed up, but I still have terminal installed... Feb 24 22:45:46 Preware is not loading properly, btw, feed error and "wget" 403 forbidden error of some sort that will take more time to diagnose than to fix. Feb 24 22:50:35 I'm doing this from memory, and not sure if there's an easier way... but I used "ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/org.webosinternals.preware_0.9.28_all.ipk" and "ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice_0.9.36_all.ipk" sounds more lke your ipkgservice is messed up, but it'd probably be good to get bo Feb 24 22:50:35 th up to date Feb 24 22:52:35 I actually just wgetted the preware boostrap Feb 24 22:52:41 and that seems to have taken care of it Feb 24 22:52:57 I think it udpated everything Feb 24 22:53:24 I just hope it doesn't wreak havoc on my existing patches Feb 24 22:53:57 Hi everyone!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111111111111111124124one Feb 24 23:09:15 mdklein: you should just use preware-bootstrap Feb 24 23:15:13 I just got a replacement Pre and didn't come with 1.3.5.1. I already loaded all my homebrew apps and patches. Do I need to run anything to move the homebrew apps to the new storage location with the 1.3.5 change? Feb 24 23:15:59 yep, use the EMH Feb 24 23:19:16 great. thanks. Feb 24 23:24:24 Somebody wanna give me a little hand installing Preware? Feb 24 23:24:35 install.preware.org Feb 24 23:24:58 having an issue though Feb 24 23:25:12 Stevo_: what instructions are you following, and what step are you up to? Feb 24 23:26:09 from preware.org Feb 24 23:26:33 full URL please Feb 24 23:26:42 when i run the preware executable, it says it can't find the webos doc .jar Feb 24 23:27:01 http://preware.org/#/index/ Feb 24 23:27:26 should i use instructions elsewhere? Feb 24 23:28:03 no, those are ok. alternate instructions are at http://install.preware.org if you already have WebOS Quick Install working Feb 24 23:30:52 (I've never used the Windows installer myself, so don't know what filename it's expecting for the doctor) Feb 24 23:31:26 let me try the webos quick install. seems easier Feb 24 23:33:22 I always have a problem with the doctor file name, because it doesn't tell you Feb 24 23:33:45 Howdy folks. Feb 24 23:33:52 Roy-Pre101, hey roy, fancy meeting you this way :) Feb 24 23:33:59 zsoc: I was just looking for you. Feb 24 23:34:05 Roy-Pre101, i was just being found Feb 24 23:34:09 Neat. Feb 24 23:34:27 What up Feb 24 23:36:54 Other topic: Wife is getting 'org.webosinternals.upstartmgr md5sum mismatch. Either the ipkg or package index are corrupt' Tells her to do an ipkg update. Before I ssh into her phone is that likely to fix it? Feb 24 23:37:27 Roy-Pre101, yes Feb 24 23:37:58 Well, that was easy Feb 24 23:42:02 Roy-Pre101: it just means she hasn't updated her feeds since last time we updated Preware Feb 24 23:42:53 Perhaps not the most user friendly error message for 'tap the menu and update feeds' :) Feb 24 23:43:19 Roy-Pre101, more importantly, it's an accurate error message. Feb 24 23:43:44 accurate but not actionable for most people. Feb 24 23:43:53 diagnosable for us :) Feb 24 23:44:00 My wife says: 'I thought it updated the feeds each time I opened the sucker' Feb 24 23:44:18 it does unless you tell it not to, or you have no data service atm Feb 24 23:46:14 Roy-Pre101: you are correct that we should really catch that error message (which comes directly from the ipkg tool itself) and rewrite it on the fly or pop up a window. Feb 24 23:46:23 Patches welcome :-) Feb 24 23:46:42 :) Feb 24 23:46:56 If my cup didn't already runneth over I might just. Feb 24 23:47:42 What we really need is someone to take up the Preware End User Diagnosis document taks. Feb 24 23:47:43 task Feb 24 23:48:36 cp build/src/configure build/src/configure.orig && sed -e 's/2.12/2.0/g' build/src/configure.orig > build/src/configure Feb 24 23:48:44 wow, naughty zsoc Feb 24 23:48:47 xcomp, i nixed it Feb 24 23:48:49 :) Feb 24 23:48:59 xcomp, I WAS TESTING SOMETHING, i left it in before i pushed by accident Feb 24 23:49:18 Bleh, wife has managed to get all sorts of patch problems on her phone. Feb 24 23:49:22 zsoc: no worries, just giving you a hard time :) Feb 24 23:49:26 xcomp, there'll be a lot more of that if i have to backport gst-ffmpeg :p Feb 24 23:49:37 xcomp, actually, i might need your help. I can't get gst-ffmpeg to build Feb 24 23:49:46 This I why I only have about 6 patches and not the 40+ she has. :P Feb 24 23:49:47 zsoc: i was working on ffmpeg too Feb 24 23:49:59 xcomp, er, gst-ffmpeg. the plugins package Feb 24 23:50:03 zsoc: unfortunately it looks like it'll be monday before my new hard drive pcb arrives Feb 24 23:50:16 xcomp, ffmpeg already works it seems? unless you mean you were working on getting a more customized build? Feb 24 23:50:22 until then I'm still hopeless Feb 24 23:50:32 i think I was able to build ffmpeg Feb 24 23:50:49 xcomp, yes, ffmpeg both builds and works fine, it's in the widk Feb 24 23:50:49 i worked on a lot of these things when I was working on emotion Feb 24 23:51:07 i had makefiles all ready for everything Feb 24 23:51:13 sorry you had to do duplicate work :) Feb 24 23:51:23 xcomp, i didn't? Feb 24 23:51:41 the libogg/vorbis/theora/flac stuff Feb 24 23:51:45 i had all that ready to go Feb 24 23:51:50 on my hard drive Feb 24 23:51:50 oh.. that was pretty straight forward Feb 24 23:52:02 I mean, standard makefile, plug in package names/versions lol Feb 24 23:52:09 the gstreamer packages are the ones driving me crazy Feb 24 23:52:11 yeah, those weren't troublesome Feb 24 23:54:58 xcomp, "no rule to make" errors are generally caused by an improperly configured makefile right? Feb 24 23:55:38 most likely Feb 24 23:57:22 hmm.. i wonder if it's a config file bug Feb 24 23:57:33 what error exactly? Feb 24 23:58:28 err, i'll have it in a minute, couldn't find the build log :P Feb 25 00:00:56 * xcomp is stlil crossing his fingers that the hard drive will work fine after swapping out the board :/ Feb 25 00:01:17 xcomp, what seems to be the issue? Feb 25 00:01:28 zsoc: got fried by a new PSU Feb 25 00:01:32 ouch Feb 25 00:13:49 it sucks to have to re-do work :-( Feb 25 00:14:58 downloading over serial is slow Feb 25 00:22:40 xcomp, -c -o libavcodec/armv4l/mpegvideo_arm.o libavcodec/armv4l/mpegvideo_arm.c Feb 25 00:22:53 xcomp, make[6]: *** No rule to make target `libavcodec/armv4l/jrevdct_arm.o', needed by `libavcodec/libavcodec.so.51'. Stop. Feb 25 00:23:04 doesn't fail till it gets to the armv4l stuff Feb 25 00:31:55 eek Feb 25 00:32:14 zsoc: yeah, broken configure script there Feb 25 00:32:34 ffmpeg has one of those "we'll do things our own way" scripts Feb 25 00:32:54 that ultimately causes pain and suffering in cross-compile environments lik eours Feb 25 00:33:31 gotta run, bbl Feb 25 00:33:47 kk Feb 25 01:54:22 i have a question when if I wanna download preware does my phone have to be connected to my computer allready? Feb 25 01:54:41 wat Feb 25 02:06:40 i cant wait to see the state of the english language in 5 years Feb 25 02:07:00 it's already to the point that is almost impossible to understand anyone under 21 Feb 25 02:07:16 wat r u talkin bot? Feb 25 02:08:51 azakus: ping Feb 25 02:11:56 just saw it Feb 25 02:12:01 and thanks for the typo fix Feb 25 02:12:06 0.1.0 coming out tonight(ish) Feb 25 02:15:22 and the icon looks perfectly usable Feb 25 02:17:18 azakus: do you want to add that icon to the source repo then? Feb 25 02:20:51 how do i instal this on my phone Feb 25 02:24:02 WEBOS CAN CROP PICTURES TO SAVE AS WALLPAPER? Feb 25 02:24:05 how did i not know this Feb 25 02:24:30 aims, please define "this" Feb 25 02:26:44 the preware Feb 25 02:27:03 i have the palm pre and i wnant to be able to text on the screen Feb 25 02:27:10 aims, install.preware.org <-- follow those instructions Feb 25 02:27:29 i have but it will not let me download it Feb 25 02:27:40 what is the error Feb 25 02:28:28 it says that i need to install novacom Feb 25 02:29:04 aims, you should install it using webos quick install 3.01, it will be easier for you i think. Feb 25 02:29:09 rwhitby: sure that'd work Feb 25 02:29:15 I'm just busy debugging alarms Feb 25 02:29:44 ok Feb 25 02:32:43 where do i find webos 3.01 Feb 25 02:33:34 http://images.precentral.net/sites/precentral.net/files/webos-homebrew-apps/wosqi/WebOSQuickInstall.jar Feb 25 02:40:51 it still will not let me instal preware Feb 25 02:44:03 zsoc: how's it going? want me to take a shot at getting the ogg plugin installed so I can test some files? Feb 25 02:45:30 Bazirker, sure, pm me your email Feb 25 02:48:03 sup :) Feb 25 02:48:10 zsoc: should be in the initial PM I sent you Feb 25 02:48:27 ah, probably 1 sec Feb 25 02:48:28 how do i install novacom Feb 25 02:48:36 aims, novacom is in the doctor image Feb 25 02:49:03 anyone here good with hardware/memory locations? Feb 25 02:51:17 Bazirker, you have ssh access right? Feb 25 02:52:05 I have WinSCP on my desktop, if that's what you mean Feb 25 02:52:54 I don't have it installed on my Pre currently Feb 25 02:52:59 Bazirker, er... hmm.. i don't really know much about winscp... does it give you a terminal? like putty? or can you use terminal app on your pre? Feb 25 02:54:46 Ah I can get putty, and I can install the terminal app in a sec Feb 25 02:58:13 Bazirker, ok, email sent Feb 25 02:58:41 k Feb 25 02:59:38 Bazirker, can you use gtalk? Feb 25 02:59:45 yep **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 25 02:59:58 2010