**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 25 02:59:58 2010 Feb 25 03:00:21 anyone with qxdm skills? :) Feb 25 03:00:22 kk, don't wanna spam the chat any more here Feb 25 03:48:24 I'm trying to set up WIDK and during the `make stage` I get this error: Feb 25 03:48:35 Can't locate strict.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/automake-1.11 /etc/perl /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/x86_64-linux /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib64/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/x86_64-linux /usr/lib64/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib64/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib64/perl5/5.8.8/x86_64-linux /usr/lib64/perl5/5.8.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/bin/aclocal-1.11 line 35. Feb 25 03:49:05 I checked, and strict.pm is in one of those directories, and readable, so I dunno what the Feb 25 03:49:12 problem is. Feb 25 03:50:04 dunno - are you running on 32 bit Ubuntu 9.10 Server ? Feb 25 03:50:19 no, Gentoo 64.. shouldn't matter though Feb 25 03:50:58 seems it does :-) Feb 25 03:51:01 Tman, clearly it matters :) Feb 25 03:51:03 ..I mean, yes it could cause problems since it's only been tested on Debian-based distros.. but I don't think this problem is distro-related Feb 25 03:51:13 it's just weird Feb 25 03:51:20 I can try reinstalling perl... Feb 25 03:51:22 Tman, seems to be 64 bit perl related Feb 25 03:51:47 it's not even WIDK related really. It's a matter of aclocal not working, wtf. Feb 25 03:52:22 I had to replace my netbook, which I used to access linux on my pre through putty and winSCP over wifi, but I appear to not be able to retrieve settings for both putty and winSCP, which means I don't know what my password was I created when I setup optware back in the day before palm released the SDK Feb 25 03:53:03 http://vimeo.com/9671195?hd=1 - the game looks interesting, but the controls are the thing i was really interested in - especially for all the SDL emulators out there Feb 25 03:53:12 what can I do to retrieve the password so I ca log in with putty and winSCP again? Feb 25 03:53:22 StoneRyno: install openssh in Preware, and then set up keys according to the homepage link for that package Feb 25 03:53:59 do i remove all the old optware stuff then before doing that? Feb 25 03:58:56 bpadalino: yeah that's pretty cool Feb 25 04:00:43 other than using quilt I don't think I use any of the optware that was installed from way back when Feb 25 04:03:24 StoneRyno: if you have novaterm access, just rm -rf /opt and start again Feb 25 04:03:39 uhm Feb 25 04:03:56 ..nm Feb 25 04:07:30 will do... and that will reverse the old way of accessing linux? so then I will use the new openssh way of accessing linux on the pre Feb 25 04:11:24 StoneRyno: yeah, the new way is install OpenSSH from Preware, setup keys, and ssh in as root on the standard port 22. Feb 25 04:11:37 it makes things lots easier and more secure than passwords Feb 25 04:13:21 yup I just wanted to make sure that the old access method was gone so as to not leave some sort of backdoor way of accessing it Feb 25 04:14:15 StoneRyno: make sure /etc/event.d/optware-* is removed too Feb 25 04:14:52 the actual executable will have been deleted, so that's just to clean up any other cruft Feb 25 04:16:07 kk so rm -rf /opt and /etc/event.d/optware-* removes all the stuff created from the old process Feb 25 04:18:31 StoneRyno: yep Feb 25 04:19:10 then reboot and install openssh sftp server in Preware and it will pull in everything else Feb 25 04:19:39 attempting to use rm -rf /opt i get error device or resource busy cannot remove Feb 25 04:20:13 StoneRyno: /sbin/stop optware-dropbear Feb 25 04:20:17 StoneRyno: /sbin/stop optware-openssh Feb 25 04:20:21 StoneRyno: cd / Feb 25 04:20:25 then try again Feb 25 04:23:12 ok it appears to have stooped dropbears and openssh doesn't exist and i get the error when attempting again Feb 25 04:28:17 does using terminal on the pre make a difference? that is where i'm trying to d the stuff from Feb 25 04:30:54 StoneRyno: no, Terminal shouldn't matter Feb 25 04:31:06 StoneRyno: try rm -rf /opt/* Feb 25 04:31:46 Hola WHE's and WHE-ettes! Feb 25 04:32:25 spent the whole day at the hospital... good thing I have an electronic cigarette... lol Feb 25 04:32:45 cool beans that worked /opt/ is now empty Feb 25 04:33:11 and I think i may have fixed my emulator... Feb 25 04:33:28 StoneRyno: ok, you're good to reboot now Feb 25 04:33:37 rwhitby: seems as if the virtual disk somehow became read only Feb 25 04:33:57 I think that was causing all of my problems... I unfortunately didn't have time to test if that fixed it before I came to work Feb 25 04:35:52 pre is rebooting can i run the command line stuff from the terminal on the pre as well for generating the key? Feb 25 04:36:45 StoneRyno: well, you should generate your key on the computer where you are going to keep the private key, and the copy the public key to the Pre Feb 25 04:37:13 unless you're going to use the Pre for originating outbound ssh connections, in which case you need it on the Pre Feb 25 04:37:15 in theory you can generate the keys on the pre and copy the private one to the computer... Feb 25 04:39:14 kk I'll start looking at the directions but I'm sure I'll have more questions Feb 25 04:44:29 zsoc: indeed, you can technically create them anywhere as long as they are a matching pair and te private one is on the computer originating the connection Feb 25 04:44:42 but it is faster to create them on the desktop vs. on the pre Feb 25 04:45:14 i kind of got overwhelm glancing at the tech tip link so many steps on it do i do everything in that article? Feb 25 04:45:20 you could probably even create them on a completely seperate computer and put the private one on the desktop and the public on the pre... I haven't tested that but it should work, lol Feb 25 04:45:40 which link? I came in late in the convo Feb 25 04:45:52 can someone do me a favor please Feb 25 04:45:54 ls -la /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10 | grep -i vorbis Feb 25 04:45:57 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH Feb 25 04:46:26 I guess i am confused on exactly what i'm to read to setup the stuff Feb 25 04:47:41 i remember the old way was a simple copy paste and follow prompts of a script Feb 25 04:48:11 zsoc: I can test that once the previous shift go's home Feb 25 04:48:20 StoneRyno: have you generated a key pair yet? Feb 25 04:48:32 with /opt/bin/ssh-keygen Feb 25 04:48:44 (just trying to figure out what step you are at since I came in late) Feb 25 04:48:50 only thing i have done so far is install openssh from preware Feb 25 04:48:55 ahh nice Feb 25 04:48:59 you are at the beginning Feb 25 04:49:04 No one has a novacom just hanging out open on their pre? Feb 25 04:49:10 am i the only one that always has it open? lol Feb 25 04:49:14 do you have access to a pre terminal Feb 25 04:50:03 one sec, gotta work Feb 25 04:50:06 I can either use command prompt and access it via the palm nova whatever it's called or use terminal app on the pre Feb 25 04:53:44 only thing is i don't remember how i accessed it before from the command prompt on the pc Feb 25 04:59:13 the steps to run commands from the terminal on the pre to generate the keys appears to be easy enough but before i proceed to follow those i want to make sure i am not missing anything between installing openssh and those steps am i? Feb 25 04:59:26 nopw Feb 25 04:59:27 e Feb 25 05:05:34 StoneRyno: nope, not missing a thing Feb 25 05:05:42 (back from working) Feb 25 05:06:08 then just copy the private key (the one without the .pub) into it's proper folder on your desktop Feb 25 05:06:29 if you are on linux it is probably ~/.ssh if you are on windows then it depends on what software you are using Feb 25 05:07:03 zsoc: when I am at home I do normally have a novaterm open at damn near all times, but I am at work atm so no novaterm Feb 25 05:08:10 zsoc: I didn't get any return on the command you asked about Feb 25 05:08:11 lol itsok Feb 25 05:08:15 ty Feb 25 05:08:30 zsoc: making a vorbis app like your GSM WAV one? Feb 25 05:08:42 cryptk|work, pretty much done actually Feb 25 05:08:48 nice4 Feb 25 05:09:01 does the pre have SPEEX? Feb 25 05:09:19 no Feb 25 05:09:41 you think it would be possible to port it in like you have with the other codecs? Feb 25 05:09:49 if so... then someone should port over mangler Feb 25 05:10:09 linux native ventrilo client... there is already someone working on porting it to android Feb 25 05:10:35 they have a library that handles all of the ventrilo stuff, so that with some tweaking should work, then make a GUI for it Feb 25 05:10:52 http://www.mangler.org or #mangler here on freenode Feb 25 05:11:12 it works very well and is under very active developement Feb 25 05:12:22 i am at the step to copy the key for use with the app on the pc, i will be using winSCP and putty to access linux on the pre Feb 25 05:12:47 have you done the last command on that link? Feb 25 05:13:08 this one: cp /home/root/.ssh/id_rsa /media/internal/id_rsa Feb 25 05:13:27 cp /home/root/.ssh/id_rsa /media/internal/id_rsa? Feb 25 05:13:45 yup did that oen Feb 25 05:14:18 just hook the pre up in USB Drive mode Feb 25 05:14:26 then copy the id_rsa file out of it Feb 25 05:14:27 i have the pre hooked up and in drive mode ready to copy it to the pc Feb 25 05:14:30 that is your private key Feb 25 05:14:32 yep Feb 25 05:14:44 jsut copy it out and put it wherever your software tells you to Feb 25 05:15:00 I am on, linux so I jsut use command line SSH, I don't know where winSCP or putty need them to be... Feb 25 05:15:05 but I bet lord google knows... Feb 25 05:15:21 ok so i need to refer to the help/manual file for winSCP and putty? Feb 25 05:16:00 or google search putty ssh key and winSCP ssh key? Feb 25 05:17:11 http://www.howtoforge.com/ssh_key_based_logins_putty_p2 Feb 25 05:17:14 check out that link Feb 25 05:17:28 seems you use a program called PUTTYgen to load in the private key file Feb 25 05:17:43 that link shows how to generate a key, but the screenshot shows a button to load one that already exists Feb 25 05:18:02 kk Feb 25 05:18:19 starting on this page explains the whole PUTTY SSH setup process from start to finish Feb 25 05:18:20 http://www.howtoforge.com/ssh_key_based_logins_putty_p1 Feb 25 05:18:44 seems you create a profile, then import the key, then atack the key to the profile you created Feb 25 05:18:52 s/atack/sttach/ Feb 25 05:18:53 cryptk|work meant: seems you create a profile, then import the key, then sttach the key to the profile you created Feb 25 05:19:07 oops, wrong link... http://www.howtoforge.com/ssh_key_based_logins_putty Feb 25 05:19:12 that one is the right one Feb 25 05:21:42 just read Jason's article on PC about AUPT Feb 25 05:21:49 I like his line about people not trusting AUPT Feb 25 05:22:04 Currently, it seems that almost 30% of those polled don't trust AUPT. That's really unfortunate, as countless weeks and months were put forward freely by many many developers to make sure everything works well. Feb 25 05:22:25 I really hope AUPT works without a hitch... if something go's wrong there will be alot of angry homebrewers... Feb 25 05:22:54 kk i'll read that putty link, and it appears winSCP uses a putty key created from the key we made and copied from the pre Feb 25 05:23:22 it shouldn't recreate a new key... it should use the one already created Feb 25 05:23:40 if it creates a new key it won't match the one on the phone already, they keypairs must match Feb 25 05:23:46 otherwise it won't authenticate Feb 25 05:23:58 there has to be some way to import an already existing private key Feb 25 05:24:20 i tried to open the key we copied in winscp and it said to use puttygen to covert the key Feb 25 05:24:29 (seems the number of people who don't trust AUPT has been overpowered a bit more, down to 22.17% now) Feb 25 05:24:37 ahh, that is fine Feb 25 05:24:52 it probably just needs to convert it to windows linebreaks/EOF Feb 25 05:24:53 cryptk|work: there will be a minority of people who will have problems with the next OTA update. Feb 25 05:24:58 it should keep the content though Feb 25 05:25:01 rwhitby: I know Feb 25 05:25:08 there will always be small glitches Feb 25 05:25:24 anyone who has not used Preware or WOSQI 3 for everything will likely have a problem Feb 25 05:25:24 and those glitches will happen to people who don't patch as well, we jsut won't hear about that in this IRC is all Feb 25 05:25:40 anyone who has conflicting patches will have a problem Feb 25 05:25:42 (I use ONLY Preware and QI) Feb 25 05:25:53 rwhitby: what do you mean by conflicting patches? Feb 25 05:25:59 anyone who uses the free MyTether will have a problem Feb 25 05:26:05 that last one is a given Feb 25 05:26:09 anyone who uses CPU scaling patches will have a problem Feb 25 05:26:16 free MyTether breaks stuff Feb 25 05:26:25 anyone who leaves a theme on will have a problem Feb 25 05:26:30 anyone tried to build SDL.pm yet? Feb 25 05:27:18 cryptk|work: there are sets of two patches that install in one order, but not the other. so if they alphabetical order comes out wrong, they will not update all (you need to uninstall them in the reverse order) Feb 25 05:27:20 rwhitby: perhaps there should be an Emergency OTA Helper... it will remove any theme... run EFV, Check for free MyTether... basically prep the phone for OTA Feb 25 05:27:31 rwhitby: ahh, gotcha Feb 25 05:27:46 cryptk|work: we already have one, it's called full erase and webos doctor Feb 25 05:27:50 haha Feb 25 05:27:55 you know what I meant Feb 25 05:28:18 rwhitby: did you see that I think I may have found the problem with my emulator? Feb 25 05:28:25 cryptk|work: yep Feb 25 05:28:31 one of these days we're going to have an OTA nurse Feb 25 05:28:31 didn't have a chance to test if it is fixes though Feb 25 05:28:35 ahh Feb 25 05:29:09 it would be nice if there was a way to intercept that an OTA was getting ready to be installed and have the phone prompt you if you wanted to hold off and run this OTA Nurse first Feb 25 05:29:52 I'm more thinking OTA Nurse is going to be like the doctor or repair utility, just repair all files in rootfs Feb 25 05:30:07 I thought that is what repair utility does already? Feb 25 05:30:19 or does repair utility only repair luna files? Feb 25 05:30:26 the HTML/CSS/JS ones Feb 25 05:30:26 yeah from a computer Feb 25 05:30:37 ahh, you mean an on device RU... Feb 25 05:30:43 yea Feb 25 05:30:52 would it need to have a doctor file somewhere like in the USB partition? Feb 25 05:31:10 yeah first run would have to download/extract doctor in usb partition Feb 25 05:32:03 I would hope you could just copy it there from your computer as well... that would take forever to d/l on the phone... especially over EVDO Feb 25 05:33:21 it'd take as long as OTA update I'd assume Feb 25 05:36:41 what are average evdo dl speeds? Feb 25 05:37:46 not sure Feb 25 05:38:00 but don't the new OTA updates only download the changed files? Feb 25 05:38:09 I thought i read something about that with the last OTA Feb 25 05:38:32 they they only had the modified files... or the equivalent of a .diff or something like that... Feb 25 05:38:33 yeah, I read that it was differential updates now Feb 25 05:38:38 yeah Feb 25 05:39:23 egaudet: but if it is just looking for a certain file in the USB partition you could easily grab that file on your desktop and copy it over Feb 25 05:39:46 hell, if ou guys came out with an on device RU I would copy that file ono my pre as soon as the doctors came out Feb 25 05:40:09 one of the OTA had binary patches of ipkg or something, all the ipks were still downloaded in full though I thought Feb 25 05:40:16 cryptk|work I get an error: Disconnected: no supported authentictions methods available after clicking yes in the step at the beginning of http://www.howtoforge.com/ssh_key_based_logins_putty_p2 Feb 25 05:40:34 copy what file cryptk|work ? Feb 25 05:40:52 whatever file the on device RU would need Feb 25 05:41:01 it would need the doctor Feb 25 05:41:18 I would assume it woudl download the doctor and extract what it needs out of it right? Feb 25 05:41:22 or at least the rootfs tarball Feb 25 05:41:30 that is what I was thinking, that tarball Feb 25 05:41:46 pull that outta the doc, throw it on the USB from your comp, would save time Feb 25 05:41:58 oh yeah, to bypass the download process put that file there manually Feb 25 05:42:05 StoneRyno: sorry man, I can't help you with PUTTY, I don't know a thing about it... I use Linux Mint Feb 25 05:42:41 maybe i am supposed to skip down to the step about using the key pair Feb 25 05:49:09 i think i may be on track i converted the key with puttygen and am moving on to page 3 Feb 25 05:50:49 bed time Feb 25 05:52:10 woot I'm in Feb 25 05:52:36 root@palm-webos-device:/var/home/root# Feb 25 05:52:58 now to get winSCP configed Feb 25 05:53:51 how do I right click in scummvm? Feb 25 05:54:36 i'm playing beneath a steel sky, and trying to pick up the rung in the first screen Feb 25 05:56:04 cool beans i'm in with winSCP too thanks guys for all the help and patience with me while i stumbled through the process Feb 25 05:56:06 I would check the homepage for the package Feb 25 05:56:11 see if they have some usage instructions Feb 25 05:56:20 StoneRyno: np Feb 25 05:56:31 although I do know of a great way you can 'pay it back' Feb 25 05:57:05 edit the OpenSSH page, add in a "Client Side Configuration" section and put in instruction onhow to make it work with PUTTY and WinSCP Feb 25 05:57:28 so that in the future someone who wants to set it up can just look at that one page and get it all Feb 25 05:57:48 will do Feb 25 05:58:19 anyone have the script files that were on mobile-files that repaired the esn/meid for the pre? or if anyone would be able to help me repair mine please send a /msg Feb 25 05:59:21 i might have some information to trade for the help? =P Feb 25 06:00:52 1.4 tomorrow? Feb 25 06:02:18 farms: in theory Feb 25 06:02:30 so, I've been trying to wrap my head around handleLaunch Feb 25 06:02:36 it has been rumored to be dropping tomorrow, but don't be disappointed if it doesn't Feb 25 06:06:13 anyone know if mobile-files.com had or has a channel on irc here? Feb 25 06:06:43 i know right Feb 25 06:12:53 Guest34554: they do not Feb 25 06:13:15 Guest34554: and most topics of discussion from that site would not comply with Freenode TOS Feb 25 06:15:47 cryptk|work: there are also counter romours like this: http://forums.precentral.net/2246316-post1448.html Feb 25 06:16:26 rwhitby: hence why I said don't be disappointed... a rumor is just that... a rumor Feb 25 06:18:13 palm-webos-device SDL_perl # ldd ./blib/arch/auto/SDL_perl/SDL_perl.so Feb 25 06:18:13 Segmentation fault Feb 25 06:18:14 heh Feb 25 06:19:08 cryptk|work: I don't see why people don't just get on with their lives - it's not as if 1.4 is going to happen and they'll somehow miss it ... Feb 25 06:19:57 * cxreg attempts to build SDL_perl Feb 25 06:20:03 rwhitby: I agree... I am cool to wait until I get the nice notification that 1.4 is out (or one of my friends sends me a text saying "ZOMG 1.4 HAS DROPPORED!!!, Video is so COOLZOR!") Feb 25 06:20:31 don't laugh, I have a friend that really sends texts like that have he has a Pre... Feb 25 06:20:47 anyone who is not in a cave will hear about it pretty quickly when it does happen Feb 25 06:20:53 he called me 30 minutes after Upstart Manager hit the testing feed to ask why my name showed up in his Preware, lol Feb 25 06:21:32 he pretty much lives, eats and sleeps Palm Pre now... I think he checks Preware for updates at least 10 times a day... he really needs to calm down... Feb 25 06:21:32 cryptk|work, i assume you told him someone stole your identity? Feb 25 06:21:41 you know the first rule of webos-internals right? :p Feb 25 06:21:47 zsoc: yes I did actually, in a way Feb 25 06:22:04 I told him that Jason was jealous of my awesomeness and as such started releasing apps in my name Feb 25 06:22:14 ... Feb 25 06:22:18 then he said "ZOMG, YOU KNOW JASON!!!" Feb 25 06:22:26 on that note, i'm making like a leave and green Feb 25 06:22:33 or a leaf and greening Feb 25 06:22:35 at which point I told him that he needs professional help Feb 25 06:22:38 or a green and grassing Feb 25 06:23:14 or make like a banana and split Feb 25 06:23:55 cryptk|work: tell your friend I said "Hi!" ;-) Feb 25 06:24:01 haha, will do Feb 25 06:24:13 (I am not telling him about this channel though, lol) Feb 25 06:24:44 I think he may pass out if he finds out that I have spoken with you also... the guy really needs to be put in a funny farm... Feb 25 06:25:09 and he will def flip out when he finds out I talk to you damn near every night while I am at work, lol Feb 25 06:25:29 brb, gonan go microwave my mac'n'cheese Feb 25 06:30:32 back Feb 25 06:32:52 huh, getting an illegal instruction. i guess i shouldn't have compiled against glibc. Feb 25 06:32:58 haha Feb 25 06:34:00 i wonder if debian even has codesourcery? Feb 25 06:34:43 i might need a cross compiler for this Feb 25 06:35:57 cxreg: are you compiling for the Pre? if so try the WIDK Feb 25 06:36:07 i'm compiling /on/ the pre Feb 25 06:36:11 ahh Feb 25 06:36:11 :-) Feb 25 06:36:17 load was up to 5 Feb 25 06:36:24 but the UI was surprisingly responsive Feb 25 06:36:29 haha Feb 25 06:36:40 this is using the debian chroot as described on the fceu page Feb 25 06:36:46 but, it's the wrong libc :( Feb 25 06:37:07 my goal is to get Frozen Bubble running Feb 25 06:37:17 ahh Feb 25 06:37:29 i mean, we have perl, we have sdl.. how hard can it be :D Feb 25 06:37:45 haha Feb 25 06:39:52 yay perl Feb 25 06:47:06 ok, trying the WIDK Feb 25 06:49:00 cxreg: I am 100% in favor of any efforts to port frozen bubble Feb 25 06:50:25 :) Feb 25 06:58:43 ok, I'm giving up for tonight Feb 25 06:58:54 I'm about 90% ready for jstop 0.1.0 Feb 25 06:59:19 getting the background garbage collection running without the card being open is the last step Feb 25 06:59:42 I think I'll push out what I have now as 0.0.12 Feb 25 06:59:57 so, new icon + processes are actually processes Feb 25 07:00:24 seems javascript vm keeps around dead processes for some reason and never really kills them Feb 25 07:01:10 does it have some form of waitpid()? Feb 25 07:01:16 * cxreg doesnt know that much about it yet Feb 25 07:01:50 cxreg, frozen bubble was already ported by maemo, just read the tutorial for it online Feb 25 07:02:15 Port the port Feb 25 07:02:18 bam Feb 25 07:02:23 exactly Feb 25 07:02:25 acydlord: ah. well, it will be a good exercize anyway. Feb 25 07:02:32 thats how a few things got ported already Feb 25 07:02:57 shoulders of giants and all that Feb 25 07:03:31 exactly Feb 25 07:32:15 wow, sb2-init is bootstrapping an entire OS or what? Feb 25 07:42:01 anybody know if you have to use the electrical plug that comes with the pre in order for the touchstone to work? Feb 25 08:07:31 edektor, the one that came with or one that is rated the same Feb 25 08:21:25 acydlord: the one that came with the phone Feb 25 08:22:07 edektor, yeah, i use the one that came with the phone. i've also used a generic with the same rating Feb 25 08:22:32 what is the rating? Feb 25 08:27:30 Has anyone seen jacques recently? Feb 25 08:27:53 ~seen Jacques Feb 25 08:27:56 jacques <~6217fec1@nslu2-linux/jacques> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 8h 12m 58s ago, saying: 'downloading over serial is slow'. Feb 25 08:28:22 Ahh... Thanks. lesson learnt. Feb 25 08:28:28 np ;) Feb 25 08:29:32 Hi, sometimes the vpnc task is crashing for me Feb 25 08:29:36 2010-02-24T17:38:45.474884Z [36091] palm-webos-device kern.info kernel: [36091.030000] minicore_launch: CRASH! vpnc(30312) received 7. Waiting up to 60s for minicore to attach. Feb 25 08:29:52 but i cannot find where the crash report is written to Feb 25 08:32:44 can somebody tell me the place? Feb 25 08:34:01 i dont remember exactly, 5.5v 1kma i think Feb 25 08:36:37 hape: I believe it is in /var somewhere, IIRC in a directory called 'minicores'. Feb 25 08:36:49 do a find . -name "*minicore*" in /var Feb 25 08:41:42 Meep: thx, got them they are in /var//log/reports/minicores Feb 25 09:00:13 huzzah to Duke Nukem Feb 25 09:00:16 didnt know that was on the way Feb 25 09:03:28 where did you find DukeNukem? Feb 25 09:04:42 If tweets are to be believed Feb 25 09:04:44 its on the way Feb 25 09:05:53 fro webosinternals or whom? Feb 25 09:06:14 whitch tweet? Feb 25 09:06:27 which tweet? Feb 25 09:07:28 RT by webosinternals from MetaView Feb 25 09:25:09 wow Feb 25 09:25:12 nice Feb 25 09:25:44 all the good old games are comming back Feb 25 12:51:52 hi Feb 25 12:53:09 is it possible to make a patch that allows to unlock a palm pre by pressing the button in the gesture area? Feb 25 13:05:28 I just rebooted my phone Feb 25 13:06:23 now the gesture button doesn't pull up the launcher Feb 25 13:06:35 and when I press the arrow to pull up the launcher, it's empty Feb 25 13:11:53 where is pandora for palm pre? says its free but its not in my app catalogue? Feb 25 13:17:21 nvm yet another american only ap. Feb 25 13:54:42 the launcher on my palm pre is empty! Feb 25 13:55:21 help :( Feb 25 14:36:51 if I do a search I can find my applications, but the launcher doesn't show anything Feb 25 14:37:04 I've tried rescanning, now I'm trying restart Feb 25 14:38:42 mornin', chickens Feb 25 14:38:50 cluck cluck Feb 25 14:39:27 (that was a term of endearment in my family) Feb 25 14:50:26 So what the odds of 1.4 actually being released today as rumored? Feb 25 14:50:49 djk: somewhere between 10% and 90% Feb 25 14:50:58 the answer my friend is blowing in the wind Feb 25 14:51:06 djk: but the chances of those statistics being accurate are only 27% Feb 25 14:51:08 nice spread :-P Feb 25 14:51:33 [; Feb 25 14:51:44 * mikewx is on the phone with telecom. Me: Can I get DSL at this address, it's a house I'm looking at purchasing. Them: No. Me: Ok, how much to trench in a T1. Them: Um... Please hold. Feb 25 14:51:52 i think it's not gonna happen today Feb 25 14:51:53 :) Feb 25 14:52:02 and the odds of people posting complaints that it is out Feb 25 14:52:17 i just read about the palm stocks and stuff Feb 25 14:52:27 people are talking that palm needs to release new device asap Feb 25 14:52:28 :) Feb 25 14:53:24 do they? Feb 25 14:53:38 or do they just need to make their current software and os offering... suck less? Feb 25 14:53:58 i would go for the suck less Feb 25 14:53:59 :) Feb 25 14:54:14 native app development wolrd be a big start Feb 25 14:54:32 and for that matter - a windowing system that actually is compantible with something (x11) :) Feb 25 14:54:32 but well ppl want palm to acomplish in 8 months what android did in over 2yes Feb 25 14:54:47 and iphone in 3 Feb 25 14:56:07 imho palm is not doing so bad anyway Feb 25 14:57:03 well they averted utter irrelevance Feb 25 14:57:10 as thats where they were headed Feb 25 14:57:13 actually i'd argue palm is already ahead of andriod on many fronts Feb 25 14:57:21 and they seem to be doing it better for a release and stability control Feb 25 14:57:27 microsoft is on the same decline - just ... a few years behind Feb 25 14:57:36 thats why they are pulling out all stops for windows mobile 7 Feb 25 14:57:50 they pulled out all the stops for 6..and 5, and 4 too :) Feb 25 14:58:02 mikewx: nah - they didnt Feb 25 14:58:03 wm7 is being advertised as "it's all about the experience" Feb 25 14:58:11 those were total crap Feb 25 14:58:15 and no stops Feb 25 14:58:25 how is android advertised as? the os for mass smartphones? Feb 25 14:58:28 i rememebr the general commentaires of "meh" Feb 25 14:58:40 microsoft is all about trying to make catch phrases Feb 25 14:58:42 i've never seen a release of winmo that was better than 15 year old palmos :) Feb 25 14:59:13 but also what is hurting is the carriers Feb 25 14:59:23 verizon and sprint are not pushing the palm devices Feb 25 14:59:49 like i went to verizon last time and guy wanted to sell me droid and at sprint they wanted me to get the hero Feb 25 15:00:25 yeah what's with that do they have a better margin over the pre? Feb 25 15:00:42 who knows Feb 25 15:02:49 well anyway palm has to get throu what apple did years ago when they were sinking too Feb 25 15:03:13 What if they cant Feb 25 15:03:34 then we will say "R.I.P. Palm" Feb 25 15:05:57 mikewx: look at the mwc2010 stuff for winmo7 Feb 25 15:13:04 http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2010/02/25/6-ways-iphone-and-android-users-differ/ Feb 25 15:13:09 webos is mentioned too Feb 25 15:13:27 * nt4cats just decided to doctor his phone Feb 25 15:23:37 hi Feb 25 15:24:18 I want to add a mojo-launcher to Duke3D, how can i do it? Feb 25 15:32:11 Hmm, the doctor says it can't find my phone. Does the phone need to be in developer mode? Feb 25 15:37:37 nt4cats, no Feb 25 15:38:12 en0x: I didn't think so. I'm gonna try running the doctor as root incase I have some sort of permissions issue for the usb device Feb 25 15:38:31 did u try the power button and upper volume button? Feb 25 15:38:44 en0x: that's the next thing I was going to try Feb 25 15:38:56 en0x: my phone is (otherwise) working fine Feb 25 15:39:06 I'm doctoring it for two reasons: Feb 25 15:39:15 mine was too but the webos doctor never found my pre without using power button and volume button Feb 25 15:39:24 1) I'm a geek and have wanted to try it Feb 25 15:39:47 2) I've messed around with enough files that it is not a bad idea to start with a clean slate prior to the 1.4 upgrade Feb 25 15:40:19 someone knows about the mojo-launcher stuff for webosinternal-PDK apps? Feb 25 15:40:53 en0x: the combination of booting into dev mode and running the doctor as root "fixed" it Feb 25 15:41:10 en0x: (or it simply could have been a reboot that did it) Feb 25 15:45:41 may be nt4cats Feb 25 15:45:51 i always reboot and do power/volume Feb 25 15:49:39 I think that's a good policy Feb 25 15:50:13 I'm thinking about getting a t-shirt made "I doctored my phone, just because." Feb 25 15:54:55 I visited the webOS doctor and all I got was this crappy t-shirt Feb 25 15:55:06 hehe Feb 25 15:55:11 oh pixi on sprint for 50 bucks Feb 25 15:55:31 jacques: nice Feb 25 15:55:55 for ppl who can afford verizon, fry's has pixi free Feb 25 15:56:42 right Feb 25 16:06:09 today i noticed that 1.3.5.1 has some google sync issues I removed contacts from pre but they never were removed from google Feb 25 16:08:09 wow, after I doctored it reinstalled all of my homebrew apps. Feb 25 16:08:11 that I didn't expect Feb 25 16:09:40 that's something new Feb 25 16:10:20 I've got icons for virtualboy advance and preware Feb 25 16:10:36 ... but I'm going to leave it alone while everything is syncing Feb 25 16:10:51 I'm sorta hoping that it doesn't reinstall patches Feb 25 16:13:28 afaik the new webos doctor don't remove data from /media/internal Feb 25 16:14:37 en0x: you're right. all of my photos are still there Feb 25 16:14:39 yes Feb 25 16:16:15 ... so that means that I have the .ipk stuff related to being patched right now, but none of my actual files are patched, yes? Feb 25 16:16:39 (because all of the .ipkg stuff is on /media/internal) Feb 25 16:17:11 check preware but patches should be gone... Feb 25 16:30:27 Just checking in -- themes must still be removed before an OTA update? Feb 25 16:30:49 heh, I was wondering the same thing. Feb 25 16:32:12 I guess they have Feb 25 16:32:36 Roy-Pre101: yes Feb 25 16:32:48 themes do not use AUPT Feb 25 16:32:57 at least not for now Feb 25 16:36:16 Kyusaku: thanks, good to know Feb 25 16:36:34 Kyusaku: Thank you. Feb 25 16:42:03 Does anyone know which version of webOS the blinking LED notification first appeared in? Feb 25 16:42:50 I think around 1.2 Feb 25 16:43:09 So a lot of people are blogging about Palm having a crappy year since late yesterday Feb 25 16:43:14 lemme see the age of led notification Feb 25 16:51:18 Roy-Pre101: the fartherest back i can see is 1.2.0(although I do see 1.1.3 had an LED patch) Feb 25 16:54:21 Kyusaku: Thanks. I couldn't remember if it was 1.2 or 1.1.3. Feb 25 16:54:35 It's been a while. Feb 25 17:06:12 Pandora has an update. I wonder if they fixed the ads Feb 25 17:06:49 i wonder where is the 1.4 :P Feb 25 17:07:42 it's only 9AM in Sunnyvale Feb 25 17:08:33 they can add new apps but they can't push the update? :P Feb 25 17:10:33 I wish they could push a notification to our devices for when new OS update is out Feb 25 17:11:31 they do Feb 25 17:11:43 but it goes in patches Feb 25 17:13:33 ack! Feb 25 17:13:42 preware says I have patches installed Feb 25 17:14:10 After realizing that doctoring doesn't wipe /media/internal, this is sort of what I expected ... Feb 25 17:14:46 I think I'll have to do a "full erase" ... and then re-doctor to get the phone back to factory-clean. Feb 25 17:15:22 egaudet ping Feb 25 17:17:31 yeah the Doctor needs like a checkbox if you want to wipe media/internal Feb 25 17:18:14 one of the things motivating me to doctor is I installed the verizon mobile hotspot packages on my pre and wanted to make sure everything from doing that was backed out Feb 25 17:18:39 .... but if it left /media/internal, there could still be some creepy secret bits on cryptofs Feb 25 17:21:41 they will probably update the service in 1.4 anyways Feb 25 17:22:00 if it will ever come out :P Feb 25 17:23:02 kyusaku: I'm not thrilled that my ipkg database is not exactly in sync with reality Feb 25 17:23:57 Does anyone know how I can see what contacts are stored in my Palm account? (and how to delete them?) Feb 25 17:24:41 Palm currently has no web interface for Palm Profile contacts Feb 25 17:25:02 if you need to delete a contact delete them on your device and it should take affect once it syncs with the profile Feb 25 17:25:51 the sync with google is broken Feb 25 17:26:04 toenee, check what is ur default account in contacts app Feb 25 17:26:29 My Palm account says it has 7 contacts, but with over 400 total, it's like a needle in a haystack. Feb 25 17:27:08 My Pre started out with the Palm account as the default, and I didn't think to change it to my Google account until I had updated some contacts. Feb 25 17:27:15 contacts app - prefs - default account... it always sync to the default account Feb 25 17:27:31 i have google Feb 25 17:30:03 well if it's a sprint pre, 2 of those are probably sprint support numbers Feb 25 17:31:32 I guess I could remove all my contacts accounts and see what's left. I'd lose any contact links though, right? Feb 25 17:32:44 Full erase -- Done. Firing up the doctor again ... Feb 25 17:33:57 quick opinion question: for a card game, would you rather drag and drop a card, or tap a card and tap where to place it? Feb 25 17:34:22 definitely tap Feb 25 17:34:28 imho Feb 25 17:34:31 that's what I figured Feb 25 17:34:52 dragging is novel, but would get old real fast. Feb 25 17:35:28 like the "shake to roll" in monopoly. nifty and all, but really annoying after a couple games. Feb 25 17:35:41 nice to have the option to disable it. Feb 25 17:36:03 it'd save me a bunch of work to just use tap anyway :P Feb 25 17:36:17 heh, there you go. :) Feb 25 17:40:41 VincentLaw: I'd want it configurable ;-P Feb 25 17:41:04 * jacques wants everything configurable. Feb 25 17:50:00 Hey guys, quick question. Whenever 1.4 is released to everyone, is there anything special I will need to do patch-wise? Or can I just leave everything as-is and update my phone? Feb 25 17:54:47 flashpass: as long as your patches are up-to-date now (with 1.3.5.1 on your phone), you won't have to do anything special Feb 25 17:55:15 flashpass: http://www.precentral.net/what-expect-aupt-and-webos-14 Feb 25 18:05:24 okay, back to factory 1.3.5.1 Feb 25 18:06:13 nt4cats: thanks! Feb 25 18:06:24 nt4cats: and i have a theme installed, should that be removed? Feb 25 18:07:27 flashpass: I'm not an expert on this, but your question was answered earlier on this channel ... the answer was "yes [you need to remove themes before upgrading because] themes do not use AUPT" Feb 25 18:07:37 Flashpass, themes? yes Feb 25 18:08:48 ok, great thanks again Feb 25 18:10:04 Flashpass, anyway on precentral forum they have answers to your questions too Feb 25 18:12:05 if u want more details Feb 25 18:16:21 1.4 out yet? Feb 25 18:16:46 Mousey: define "out" Feb 25 18:16:52 lol, nm Feb 25 18:18:10 :-( you're no fun Feb 25 18:18:18 sorry, still on first cup of coffee Feb 25 18:18:34 ah, OK I can relate Feb 25 18:18:46 I walked into a door this morning before I had my first cup Feb 25 18:19:37 yah.. its dangerous Feb 25 18:20:46 to answer your question, 1.4 is not out Feb 25 18:20:50 i gathered Feb 25 18:20:53 its cool Feb 25 18:21:11 my coworker here (who's very exicted about his new Pre Plus) was following the rumor mill Feb 25 18:21:35 he's a developer, i'm thinking of bequeathing my birthday present to him. Feb 25 18:23:03 ah heh Feb 25 18:23:53 I am wondering if sprint and verizon will push 1.4 at the same time Feb 25 18:24:09 oh rt, he's on vz Feb 25 18:24:26 he's probably in here, i never got his nick Feb 25 18:24:46 if he had a pre plus on sprint, I'd really want to talk to him :-D Feb 25 18:24:50 hehe Feb 25 18:41:18 finally! 1.4 is out downloading.... Feb 25 18:42:10 lies Feb 25 18:42:20 [; Feb 25 18:42:46 that was pure evil. Feb 25 18:43:30 :-( Feb 25 18:45:12 I just said "lies" for the hell of it, it could be out for all I know Feb 25 18:49:43 I'm a peaceful person, and everything, but en0x deserves to be bludgoned with a [choose the blunt object of your liking] Feb 25 18:50:19 it's a second time i got ya Feb 25 18:50:20 :P Feb 25 18:50:31 sad thing is, he's not the first to do that in the last couple of days Feb 25 18:50:31 (suggestions: hammer, baseball bat, Sarah Palin, etc.) Feb 25 18:50:57 how about sarah palin's limbless torso Feb 25 18:54:32 i havent asked in awhile Feb 25 18:54:37 but how is terminus coming along? Feb 25 18:55:38 no git submissions since 1/26 :( Feb 25 19:00:43 anyway i don;t think we will get 1.4 today Feb 25 19:01:20 who knows? it's only 11am in Palmville Feb 25 19:01:42 i'm tellin u man Feb 25 19:03:22 I seem to recall getting 1.2 and 1.3 late at night (I'm in Philadelphia) Feb 25 19:04:06 hehe Feb 25 19:04:15 i remember one Feb 25 19:04:19 it was like 11pm or so Feb 25 19:04:26 when I got my 1.3.5 or something like that Feb 25 19:04:46 en0x: where do you live? Feb 25 19:04:51 ma Feb 25 19:05:24 en0x: I'm just looking up prices for a couple of Ninjas or somesuch to come put a hurtin' on you Feb 25 19:05:31 rates vary by state ... Feb 25 19:05:45 [; Feb 25 19:06:25 won't happen everyone is afraid of me over here Feb 25 19:06:58 Pasted "www.ninjasforhire.com/ma/orderconfirm.asp - Thanks for placing your order with Ninjas For Hire -- where they'll never know what hit them." Feb 25 19:09:59 heya Feb 25 19:11:32 Tomcat? http://artfiles.art.com/5/p/LRG/7/747/7TEZ000Z/airplane-tomcat.jpg Feb 25 19:11:45 yup, it's my plane Feb 25 19:11:53 Tomcat? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8kXsPIEkJZI/RyIwl8ITYaI/AAAAAAAAAGc/YNLHfQndK2Y/s400/the-dancing-tomcat.jpg Feb 25 19:12:32 This one looks right. Tomcat? http://happybirthdayteju.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/tomcat-is-the-designer.jpg Feb 25 19:14:11 hehe Feb 25 19:14:15 the second one is cool Feb 25 19:14:32 .. then there's this one ... Tomcat? http://www.industrialairsolutions.com/images/3300-tomcat-sweepers.jpg Feb 25 19:16:34 (okay, I'm done looking for tomcat pictures) Feb 25 19:19:49 maybe I need scp access to the device... Feb 25 19:20:26 anyone else get a firmware update on a verizon pre plus? Feb 25 19:20:34 http://www.sadistic.pl/nioki-nioki-vt32646.htm r0tfl Feb 25 19:20:40 Mentos + Cola = Nioki Nioki Feb 25 19:20:42 buahaha Feb 25 19:20:43 azakus, what kind of firmware update Feb 25 19:20:55 modem firmware I believe Feb 25 19:21:00 the build number of webos didn't change Feb 25 19:21:12 but the modem firmware number did (I'm pretty sure) Feb 25 19:21:39 interesting Feb 25 19:21:48 hey zsoc Feb 25 19:21:53 he is talking about prl update Feb 25 19:21:54 ;) Feb 25 19:22:07 zsoc: thanks for the new text .. it's awesome Feb 25 19:22:21 swisstomcat, :) Feb 25 19:22:27 en0x, ah, ok Feb 25 19:22:30 showed up in the webos update, but it was confusingly titled 1.3.5.1 Feb 25 19:22:36 azakus, lol nice Feb 25 19:22:43 rwhitby, i don't suppose you're up yet? Feb 25 19:24:52 zsoc: haven't seen him here today Feb 25 19:25:14 nt4cats, what was the thing we were supposed to do? i remember... something or other Feb 25 19:25:15 it's 5:55am where he is Feb 25 19:25:21 jacques, he's early to rise ;) Feb 25 19:25:36 zsoc: you were supposed to send me a suitcase full of cash, I think. Feb 25 19:26:08 nt4cats, crap, ups already came for the day Feb 25 19:26:11 zsoc: either that or you were going to look at pre media process logs from my experimenting with using vlc to stream video to the Pre Feb 25 19:27:05 nt4cats, ah yeah, you ever get me that log? or work more on it? Feb 25 19:27:18 I couldn't bear to take my laptop out the other night Feb 25 19:27:23 ah Feb 25 19:27:29 I will definately try more today, though Feb 25 19:27:37 (maybe even soon) Feb 25 19:27:46 (once my current production issue is resolved) Feb 25 19:29:03 kk Feb 25 19:35:47 get on my horse get on my horse lalalalalala Feb 25 19:35:55 have u seen this song? Feb 25 19:36:16 i mean video clip Feb 25 19:36:39 hi Feb 25 19:37:18 So, if 1.4 hits, am I right in understanding I need to uninstall all patches before updating? Feb 25 19:37:26 need a good IDE/editor in linux to do WIPDK stuff Feb 25 19:37:29 jdferm, you are wrong in understanding Feb 25 19:37:37 MetaView, ... vim? Feb 25 19:37:40 any thoughtS? Feb 25 19:37:43 vim? Feb 25 19:37:44 Definitely vim. Feb 25 19:37:45 no way Feb 25 19:37:58 emacs! Feb 25 19:38:00 * zsoc used vim to build and develop anything he's released...so far.. Feb 25 19:38:01 zsoc: Good. I didn't feel like trying to reinstall everything :D Feb 25 19:38:25 jdferm, any patches you currently have which are not 1.4 compatible with update them with "dummy" patches, as holdings until they get fixed/updated Feb 25 19:38:42 need something with "go to function/variable/etc. definition" Feb 25 19:38:54 vim has that Feb 25 19:39:11 anyway, ubuntu 9.10 server doesn't even come with a desktop environment... i suppose you could install one Feb 25 19:39:13 jdferm: http://www.precentral.net/what-expect-aupt-and-webos-14 Feb 25 19:39:35 nt4cats++ Feb 25 19:39:36 thanks! Feb 25 19:39:45 zsoc++ Feb 25 19:39:47 who needs a desktop environment .. nano should be enough :) Feb 25 19:40:00 swisstomcat, yes nano is enough, unless you're coding :p and then vim Feb 25 19:40:33 I have a little problem ... nose and fix it .. my pc detects the Palm as a modem and not usb .. thksss Feb 25 19:40:44 i compile my programs in my head and write out the hex code .. nano is enough for that Feb 25 19:41:05 swisstomcat, ah, yes, direct machine code programming :p Feb 25 19:41:13 DeViLCrY, it should detect it as both. Feb 25 19:41:13 most effecient Feb 25 19:41:21 swisstomcat: isn't mine app Feb 25 19:41:35 how would i do it in vim? Feb 25 19:42:12 swisstomcat, echo is more 1337 Feb 25 19:42:18 only detects and installs as a modem and serial data .. Feb 25 19:42:24 hehe Feb 25 19:42:54 RAWRRRR Feb 25 19:43:22 mywebostrial is now payware? hm Feb 25 19:44:43 he said it will when it hits app catalog Feb 25 19:44:57 seems it did today Feb 25 19:45:29 i donbt use it Feb 25 19:45:35 coz i dont develop Feb 25 19:45:36 ;D Feb 25 19:45:39 I did, until today... Feb 25 19:46:50 and it's $5.99 Feb 25 19:46:55 smart move with that trial Feb 25 19:46:57 uh, 6? Feb 25 19:47:05 no way, I wrote my own Feb 25 19:47:05 lool Feb 25 19:47:12 wrote/write Feb 25 19:47:20 sell it for 4.99 Feb 25 19:47:21 write it and give it for free Feb 25 19:47:21 ;) Feb 25 19:47:28 or 1 buck even Feb 25 19:47:32 as I do with many apps Feb 25 19:47:43 what apps did u make? Feb 25 19:48:01 Who can set up git repos? Apparently I do not have ssh access... Feb 25 19:48:15 git init --bare Feb 25 19:48:16 :D Feb 25 19:48:28 en0x, ... a remote repo enox. Feb 25 19:48:35 en0x: MapTool, Matchthis, TravelGuide etc. Feb 25 19:48:36 [; Feb 25 19:48:53 wikay Feb 25 19:48:54 MetaView, i can't afford 5 buck apps :( Feb 25 19:48:59 travelguide Feb 25 19:49:09 wikay, right Feb 25 19:49:19 überradio Feb 25 19:51:14 How would I go about recursively sedding a phrase in all files in my currently directory and deeper? Feb 25 19:51:21 s/currently/current/ Feb 25 19:51:21 zsoc meant: How would I go about recursively sedding a phrase in all files in my current directory and deeper? Feb 25 19:51:45 use find and xargs Feb 25 19:51:49 [; Feb 25 19:55:05 en0x, more specifically? i really thought grep had a function like that built in... Feb 25 19:57:41 use something like this: Feb 25 19:57:43 find /home/bruno/old-friends -type f -exec sed -i 's/ugly/beautiful/g' {} \; Feb 25 19:58:11 [; Feb 25 19:58:30 dont get it Feb 25 19:58:41 u said u wanna sed a phrase in all files Feb 25 19:58:53 in my cuirrent directory and deeper Feb 25 19:59:17 so u wanna rename a file? or change a text inside that file? Feb 25 19:59:23 change text in the file Feb 25 19:59:38 so i showed u Feb 25 19:59:49 sed can replace whole phrases to Feb 25 19:59:52 Thank you :) But I don't understand why that works. Feb 25 20:00:07 why don't u understand Feb 25 20:00:21 find will find all filles in the directory and deeper that you specify Feb 25 20:00:30 if u want u can use -maxdepth in find Feb 25 20:00:43 -exec is like piping each file? Feb 25 20:00:44 i have a related question Feb 25 20:00:52 and then u have the -exec arg that will run sed Feb 25 20:01:05 zsoc: the exec clause will be run against each file matched by the sed Feb 25 20:01:16 s/the sed/the find command/ Feb 25 20:01:16 nt4cats meant: zsoc: the exec clause will be run against each file matched by the find command Feb 25 20:01:26 nt4cats, excellent, thank you Feb 25 20:01:29 en0x, ok great Feb 25 20:01:42 How would I make it case insensitive? /g/i? Feb 25 20:01:42 i have a directory with many folders (1-level deep). i want to copy a specific file from each of those folders to somewhere else Feb 25 20:01:45 zsoc, -exec executes the statement and uses {} as an arg for the filename from the find command Feb 25 20:01:49 However Feb 25 20:01:56 that only changes it in output from sed Feb 25 20:02:02 so you're just basically echo'ing the changes you want Feb 25 20:02:02 so if your "find" matches 4 files, it will execute the "exec" 4 times, each time passing in th matching file where you provide (no quotes) "{}" to the --exec clause Feb 25 20:02:10 psykoz, that's why u have -i in sed Feb 25 20:02:12 psykoz, right, how would i pipe that back into the correct files? Feb 25 20:02:17 en0x, oh, -i does that? Feb 25 20:02:19 part of the filename is always the same e.g "-135201.jpg" Feb 25 20:02:23 it replaces in the file on the fly Feb 25 20:02:32 en0x++ Feb 25 20:02:40 I missed your -i ;) sorry Feb 25 20:02:43 -i edits the input file "in place" Feb 25 20:03:39 This option specifies that files are to be edited in-place. Feb 25 20:04:23 en0x, will gI retain case? Like if I do s/old/new/gI, will it replace both old and OLD with 'new', or will it replace old with new and OLD with NEW? Feb 25 20:06:25 zsoc, i dont know I'm not so good at sed Feb 25 20:06:30 but I would do something like this Feb 25 20:06:47 zsoc: you can have it match insensitively ... Feb 25 20:06:59 cat file| tr 'OLD' 'old'|sed .... Feb 25 20:07:07 or maybe not Feb 25 20:07:08 hmm Feb 25 20:07:09 any idea about that file-copy command? Feb 25 20:07:27 s/old/new/gi does it Feb 25 20:08:10 or s/[Oo][Ll][Dd]/new/g Feb 25 20:08:10 :) Feb 25 20:08:25 zsoc: ... but it doesn not preserve the input case after a match Feb 25 20:08:35 s/old/new/gi Feb 25 20:08:37 results in: Feb 25 20:08:39 old -> new Feb 25 20:08:42 Old -> new Feb 25 20:08:44 OLD -> new Feb 25 20:08:55 right Feb 25 20:09:38 you can pass sed multiple "-e" arguments and they'll all get proccessed in order Feb 25 20:09:40 so you can do this Feb 25 20:09:48 or use perl Feb 25 20:10:09 sed -i -e "s/old/new/g" -e "s/Old/New/g" -e "s/OLD/NEW/g" .... Feb 25 20:10:28 ic Feb 25 20:12:47 ... but "processed in order" is important. Feb 25 20:13:04 sed -e "s/old/new/" -e "s/new/otter/" Feb 25 20:13:15 give it an input of "old" ... and it'll spit out "otter" Feb 25 20:13:33 nt4cats, i don't follow, again Feb 25 20:13:34 i prefer perl ;p Feb 25 20:13:52 the first "-e" tells it to replace "old" with "new". Feb 25 20:14:00 and second one to replace new with otter Feb 25 20:14:02 the second "-e" tells it to replace "new" with "otter" Feb 25 20:14:13 nope, still don't get it Feb 25 20:14:16 I'm pretty dense sometimes. Feb 25 20:14:54 zsoc: the 1st rule tells it to replace "old" with "new". You with me so far? Feb 25 20:15:01 nt4cats, of course Feb 25 20:15:30 zsoc: and then sed sees it has a 2nd "-e" so it passes the intermediate results from the 1st "-e" to the 2nd one Feb 25 20:15:39 .. and the 2nd one replaces "new" with "otter". Feb 25 20:15:57 simple as banging Feb 25 20:15:58 ;) Feb 25 20:16:19 so if you call sed with those two rules (in that order) and then give it a single-line input of "old", it'll spit out "otter" Feb 25 20:16:31 nt4cats, heh, i'm sorry. I actually didn't see the line with otter. I only saw the line with old new and Old New Feb 25 20:16:40 nt4cats, so i thought somehow capitalization was changing the word lol Feb 25 20:16:58 sed -e "s/old/new/" -e "s/new/otter/" Feb 25 20:16:59 :) Feb 25 20:17:04 yep im' good now, thank you Feb 25 20:17:28 but with the same two rules in a different order: Feb 25 20:17:42 sed -e "s/new/otter/" -e "s/old/new/" Feb 25 20:17:50 an input of "old" results in "new". Feb 25 20:18:04 of course Feb 25 20:18:12 just point him to: "info sed" in bash Feb 25 20:18:13 ;D Feb 25 20:20:37 did 1.4 come out today (been at work all day, sorry if I've missed all the fun, or lack of it) Feb 25 20:20:40 ? Feb 25 20:20:45 rys: not yet Feb 25 20:21:03 rys (and it is only rumor that it will be out today, there are no guarantees) Feb 25 20:21:10 ah, cool Feb 25 20:21:32 find: missing argument to `-exec' Feb 25 20:21:58 oh nm Feb 25 20:22:00 i'm a huge idiot Feb 25 20:22:03 /ignore zsoc Feb 25 20:22:59 i wonder if it will come out today .. it might be delayed Feb 25 20:23:05 zsoc: the "find" man page is awesome (I'm not kidding). It gets really powerful when you start using "-and" "-or" and "-not" (along with parentesis) in your expressions Feb 25 20:23:21 kk Feb 25 20:23:45 swisstomcat: I'm polling the palm.com support page, I figure that'll be a pretty reliable source Feb 25 20:24:14 Ok that actually worked, frickin awesome Feb 25 20:24:41 :> Feb 25 20:25:09 I mean it probably wasn't a reasonable fix for my issue to begin with, but i learned something Feb 25 20:25:51 i'm so tired Feb 25 20:32:13 morning Feb 25 20:32:32 morning Feb 25 20:32:38 hi hitla Feb 25 20:32:45 [; Feb 25 20:33:09 I was just scrolling back to see who was asking for rwhitby earlier -- but it was zsoc Feb 25 20:34:39 who ever wrote the ssh-server-setup-page: thank you very much! Feb 25 20:34:46 MetaView: did you get an answer on the launcher question? Feb 25 20:35:09 yes, I figured it out Feb 25 20:35:11 g'day rwhitby Feb 25 20:35:19 it's just the appinfo.json Feb 25 20:37:56 Mousey: have your developer friend talk to ka6sox-work about a book Feb 25 20:38:25 ^_^ Feb 25 20:41:35 MetaView: I'm pretty sure you've got stuff set up for yourself already, but I just wanted to let you know that if you wanted to use any webos-internals infrastructure for hosting or deploying duke, just ask. Feb 25 20:42:43 rwhitby: when I'm done, I would like to use it, yes Feb 25 20:42:56 but at the moment, it still doesn't work from the icon Feb 25 20:43:07 can I see some logging? Feb 25 20:44:17 I wrote a start script and add in the appinfo.json, when I call it from putty, everything works Feb 25 20:44:23 but from the icon not Feb 25 20:44:48 MetaView: did you cd into the right directory in the script? Feb 25 20:45:42 isn't it startet from the place in cryptfs where my appinfo is? Feb 25 20:46:14 I create the dir in internal, copy the executable into it and do a cd and exec duke3d Feb 25 20:46:25 it works from the terminal/putty Feb 25 20:51:10 MetaView: oh, you're trying to run it from /media/internal ? Feb 25 20:51:32 yes Feb 25 20:51:46 it doesn't work, if I put everything into cryptfs Feb 25 20:52:02 for our other games, we just run it in place in crypofs/apps/usr/palm/.... Feb 25 20:52:03 the game is missing something, from media/internal it works Feb 25 20:52:38 and it doesn't recognize the keys, just some Feb 25 20:52:50 stupid duke... :) Feb 25 20:53:19 MetaView: do you want a source repo on git.webos-internals.org/games so we can take a look at it? Feb 25 20:53:28 ok Feb 25 20:53:41 what's the appid ? Feb 25 20:53:42 shall I send it to you? Feb 25 20:53:54 MetaView: send me an ssh key, and I'll set it up so you can upload it Feb 25 20:53:56 de.metaviewsoft.duke3d at the moment Feb 25 20:54:30 ssh key? this stuff I created with puttyden ? Feb 25 20:55:03 MetaView: have you used git before? Feb 25 20:55:09 nope Feb 25 20:55:12 what host plaform are you using? Feb 25 20:55:19 windows xp Feb 25 20:56:21 holy crap i think that worked Feb 25 20:58:46 MetaView: http://gitcasts.com/posts/git-on-windows Feb 25 20:58:59 MetaView: you can use the key you created in puttygen Feb 25 20:59:13 MetaView: just send me the bit you put in authorized_keys (the public key) Feb 25 20:59:20 It's funny, you always wonder why developers don't go a certain route, until you go that route, and then you find out Feb 25 20:59:33 rwhitby, we really need a wiki page that explains putty/ssh/keys in detail Feb 25 20:59:44 MetaView: what owner name do you want for the repo on git.webos-internals.org ? Feb 25 20:59:52 metaview Feb 25 21:01:48 MetaView: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=games/duke3d.git;a=summary ready for your upload when I get your key installed Feb 25 21:02:20 ok, key is on its way Feb 25 21:03:00 MetaView: I need it in openssh format Feb 25 21:03:21 oh Feb 25 21:03:28 like: ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2E.... Feb 25 21:04:40 you can convert the key with puttygen i think Feb 25 21:05:10 ok, again Feb 25 21:07:33 MetaView, duke nukem is oss? Feb 25 21:08:15 yes Feb 25 21:08:29 is the port from jonof Feb 25 21:08:48 MetaView, cool, opengl? Feb 25 21:10:07 woo, gst-ffmpeg _finally_ built after a disgusting dirty nasty hack of a backport. Feb 25 21:10:10 * zsoc feels accomplished Feb 25 21:11:45 no, no opengl Feb 25 21:12:11 MetaView, so pure sdl then? interesting Feb 25 21:12:14 there is some sdl support but not the sound as far as i can tell Feb 25 21:12:29 it's using a special engine: build Feb 25 21:12:40 MetaView, i guess i'll take a look at it when i see it :) curious how you got around the double buffer issue with lack of hwsurface support Feb 25 21:12:47 shadow warrior is a bit similar but the source is more cluttered, IIRC Feb 25 21:13:06 I haven't touched it :) Feb 25 21:13:34 it's already in the engine, on Palm OS i just blit the stuff to the screen buffer, the engine took care of everything Feb 25 21:14:51 MetaView, hmm... interesting... Feb 25 21:15:02 so it only uses sdl to get the card, everything else is framebuffer? Feb 25 21:15:15 yes Feb 25 21:15:25 more or less, it looks like Feb 25 21:15:55 MetaView, i actually considered trying something like that for playing with gnash (actually, i think that's sort of what debilator is doing with it) Feb 25 21:16:03 key and joystick is supposed to be handled by SDL, but only some keys work and I haven't managed to reconfigure them yet Feb 25 21:16:42 MetaView, you could _probably_ still use SDL for all events, even 'mouse' (touchscreen) stuff.. like quake does for joystick Feb 25 21:16:47 MetaView: you can now git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:games/duke3d.git Feb 25 21:16:59 MetaView: if you wish me to upload the initial version, just email me a tarball Feb 25 21:18:03 ok Feb 25 21:28:37 rwhitby: on the way, original it uses fmod for audio, I added the header files from the API directly into the include dir of jfbuild at the moment, even if the sound part is all disabled Feb 25 21:28:57 ok Feb 25 21:28:58 the API is comercial, that's why it isn't an option at all to use it Feb 25 21:29:18 MetaView: what name and email address do you want me to use for the initial git checkin author attribution? Feb 25 21:29:24 (it will be public) Feb 25 21:29:33 I will put try to merge the Palm OS stuff and SDL when the game starts to be playable Feb 25 21:31:55 rwhitby: http://www.openexpo.ch/index.php?id=339 (scroll to the bottom) Feb 25 21:32:25 swisstomcat: nice! Feb 25 21:32:35 rwhitby, What is the conceptual difference between the build/%.built: that's run when you 'make stage' against a widk Makefile, and just '${SB2} make' in a folder? because the latter seems to mix headers Feb 25 21:33:19 s/mix/miss/ Feb 25 21:33:19 zsoc meant: rwhitby, What is the conceptual difference between the build/%.built: that's run when you 'make stage' against a widk Makefile, and just '${SB2} make' in a folder? because the latter seems to miss headers Feb 25 21:33:21 zsoc: they should be the same, assuming the %.built target is doing ${SB2} make Feb 25 21:33:35 correct, it _should_, but it isn't, that's why i'm confused... Feb 25 21:35:40 rwhitby, basically i ran into an issue where i had an out of date header (which happens often when you backport...), but i missed the error and couldn't find the log. so I went back to just make again in that folder to grab the error, and instead of missing just that function, it was missing the whole header. Feb 25 21:36:14 I'll get to the bottom of it, but it's definitely a bug of some sort. I'll also try it in an actual sb2 shell instead of just the alias Feb 25 21:36:22 commute Feb 25 21:37:47 rwhitby: next .. hope for palm to give some support Feb 25 21:38:20 MetaView: checking in now Feb 25 21:38:37 cool, thx Feb 25 21:38:43 whats good Feb 25 21:39:39 MetaView: I put it in a 'src' subdir, so it matches the other games and makes it easier to package on the autobuilder Feb 25 21:41:28 ok Feb 25 21:41:49 MetaView: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=games/duke3d.git;a=summary Feb 25 21:42:31 MetaView: See http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=games/sdlquake.git;a=tree for an example of where we put other files Feb 25 21:43:33 MetaView: you can now git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:games/duke3d.git (yes 'git' is the right username - we use gitosis on the server and your public key, but you need to configure git with your name and email) Feb 25 21:43:54 * rwhitby bbl (1 hour) Feb 25 21:44:23 zsoc: (and I will get you logs shortly -- I doctored my phone today and don't have ssh right now -- rebooting it in dev mode so I can use novaterm) Feb 25 21:45:20 zsoc: ... but I used the .mp4 that is pre-installed on the Pre (no pun intended) so that I wouldn't have to worry about transcoding (yet) -- just trying to get streaming working with a known-compatible file. That just failed, so I don't have to waste time right now playing with transcoding options. Feb 25 21:56:31 Sup bitses Feb 25 21:56:33 hmm Feb 25 21:56:44 I wish verizon would confirm 1.4 Feb 25 21:59:02 I want some 1.4, when for sprint? Feb 25 21:59:40 supposedly a Sprint forum Admin says tomorrow Feb 25 22:00:00 we're rabidly awaiting its release Feb 25 22:00:11 * loot- wipes away some of the foam around his mouth Feb 25 22:00:20 http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/151786#151786 Feb 25 22:00:39 maybe it will come later ... Feb 25 22:00:44 who knows Feb 25 22:01:28 swisstomcat: dead link Feb 25 22:02:27 looks like it was removed Feb 25 22:04:22 rwhitby: thx, could create my local copy, start playing around with it tomorrow. Feb 25 22:04:34 http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/25/sprint-confirms-pre-and-pixi-webos-1-4-update-coming-tomorrow/ Feb 25 22:05:39 urgghh got sold fake stuff on ebay. Feb 25 22:05:47 seller refunded, couldnt believe it Feb 25 22:05:56 night everyone Feb 25 22:06:17 howd folks Feb 25 22:06:18 iSmite: That sucks. I don't buy much on ebay anymore because of all of the fakes. Feb 25 22:06:24 iSmite: report them anyway Feb 25 22:06:34 i have Feb 25 22:06:42 anyone know what I need to make IPK files on the fly from a unix server? Feb 25 22:06:53 It's getting worse too. Lots of people have been getting fake stuff from amazon marketplace lately. Feb 25 22:07:00 oh 1.4 tomorrow? good i need it i cant even get any sort of data on my pre t all Feb 25 22:07:04 3 days now Feb 25 22:07:07 was gonna doctor Feb 25 22:07:12 i have no patches or anything Feb 25 22:07:52 and dropping calls with full signal? lol Feb 25 22:07:58 i couldnt even dial out today Feb 25 22:08:04 jdferm: my brother got $1,000 robbed, from a hacker that got into a power seller account at Amazon Feb 25 22:08:24 why are people such wankers Feb 25 22:08:30 no consciences Feb 25 22:09:00 the dude was posting items, from a power seller account Feb 25 22:09:26 just got my refund, nice one Feb 25 22:09:28 amazon, nor the power seller claimed resposiblity Feb 25 22:09:32 least he was honest enough to do that Feb 25 22:09:36 LoneStar99: I'm not really surprised. Amazon is quickly becoming the "new ebay" Feb 25 22:10:10 never had bad luck, with ebay, but the amazon thing, is ridiculous, Feb 25 22:10:18 Lots of people selling chinese knock offs. Feb 25 22:10:23 yeah Feb 25 22:11:15 wanted to buy a macbook adapter, and decided to go to the apple store and pay $90 buck instead of $40 for some chinese knockoff Feb 25 22:11:36 how to work with git? Feb 25 22:11:42 git add new_file Feb 25 22:11:46 git commit Feb 25 22:11:51 that's it, or? Feb 25 22:12:41 well, I don't care atm. night Feb 25 22:13:59 anyone know what I need to package files into a IPK? Feb 25 22:15:37 lol instant refund and massive grovelling apology from seller Feb 25 22:15:41 wtf Feb 25 22:15:49 i thought hed go mad Feb 25 22:16:47 gotta post the damn thing back to him though Feb 25 22:16:55 still that wont cost hardly anything Feb 25 22:18:47 he just doesn't want you to report him Feb 25 22:20:36 some scammers operate that way - refund the tiny percentage that complain in hopes they aren't exposed Feb 25 22:37:14 ~~~~ Feb 25 22:37:15 ARGH!!! STOP IT jacques!!! Feb 25 22:42:37 jacques, one guy promised me my shipping refund on ebay been a month and I never got it he dont even respond to my messages Feb 25 22:42:43 back Feb 25 22:43:29 nt4cats, that issue work out ok? Feb 25 22:43:30 LoneStar99: the preware.org autobuilder creates ipkgs, and is all open source Feb 25 22:44:03 zsoc: the work issue, yep. I'm tinkering now Feb 25 22:44:11 (tinkering with vlc et. al.) Feb 25 22:44:14 nt4cats, fun fun :) Feb 25 22:46:54 rwhitby: wanting to run a php script to create an ipkg is that possible? Feb 25 22:47:04 zsoc: it looks like my two best choices are streaming over http and streaming over rt[s]p (I guess that's three choices). Do you have suggestion for which one I try first? Feb 25 22:48:38 zsoc: ... and I remember you saying something yesterday about the ts vs. ps muxer (one was supported, one was not, I think) Feb 25 22:49:17 nt4cats, it depends on the _ultimate goal_, ie how the user is going to use it. rtp-video+rtp-audio wrapped in rtsp is probably the best option, assuming the command-resource-handler.json handles rtsp:// properly (i'm pretty sure it does) Feb 25 22:49:31 nt4cats, mpegts is definitely not supported out of the box, but that's one of the things I have a codec ready for. Feb 25 22:49:39 nt4cats, albeit then it's homebrew :p Feb 25 22:50:07 hmmm .. the vlc docs say rtsp only does ts muxing Feb 25 22:50:27 nt4cats, i don't know, i think the biggest issue is logistic, like you said, choosing various methods of encoding, muxing, streaming, etc Feb 25 22:50:33 nt4cats, Let me double check my math Feb 25 22:51:06 nt4cats, gst-inspect | grep ts Feb 25 22:51:17 nt4cats, you're looking for typefindfunctions: video/mpegts: ts Feb 25 22:51:25 I have it, but my typefindfunctions is uncrippled Feb 25 22:53:11 zsoc: this is a purely academic exercise for me (a.k.a. "geek fest"). I'm trying to get VLC to stream *something* to my pre. Assuming I am able to get past the "something" hurdle, I'll try and figure out how to do something actually useful. Feb 25 22:53:41 nt4cats, ah, well in theory if you use stock stuff, you could release an app. that's what that guy was working on... from that... place.. you know, the one that released VLC Remote app Feb 25 22:55:38 nt4cats, like you mentioned early, stream with no transcoding at first (just catching up in the log) Feb 25 22:55:52 that's where I'm starting Feb 25 22:56:20 cvlc -vvv PalmPre.mp4 --sout '#rtp{dst=172.25.0.156,port=1234,sdp=rtsp://cylon.home:8080/test.sdp}' Feb 25 22:57:11 PalmPre.mp4 comes pre-installed on your Pre in /media/internal ... so I'm making a leap of faith that it is formated for the pre Feb 25 22:57:37 and there are no "transcode" instructions in that 'sout' string Feb 25 22:57:52 at the preware.org site, but can not seem to find the "autobuilder" Feb 25 22:59:34 LoneStar99, git.webos-internals.org .. it's build.git Feb 25 23:01:34 k Feb 25 23:03:01 zsoc: http://webos.pastebin.com/jCSbgsZN Feb 25 23:03:58 zsoc: I think the problem(s) start around line 620 Feb 25 23:04:26 nt4cats, oh god that log is a mess Feb 25 23:04:36 nt4cats, clock errors, typefind's (or lack there of), bad streams Feb 25 23:04:45 lol Feb 25 23:05:21 zsoc: the http streaming logs don't look as scary Feb 25 23:05:53 biab Feb 25 23:06:44 nt4cats, 979 and 980 say to me that the format is completely lost in the stream. it's dumping back to it's "I don't know what i'm doing so i'll load the plugins with the highest rank" mode Feb 25 23:08:05 zsoc: here are the contents of the .sdp file, in case that matters Feb 25 23:08:07 hoi hoi Feb 25 23:08:08 http://webos.pastebin.com/fR9QR4u1 Feb 25 23:08:08 nt4cats, can you even stream rtsp with no container? i'm no streaming expert... Feb 25 23:09:36 zsoc: here is the example from the VLC manual for doing RTP streaming Feb 25 23:09:42 % vlc -vvv input_stream --sout '#rtp{dst=192.168.0.12,port=1234,sdp=rtsp://server.example.org:8080/test.sdp}' Feb 25 23:10:00 zsoc: you'll notice that my attempt looks a lot like it Feb 25 23:11:48 zsoc: and with MY streaming command, if I use VLC (as a client) to connect to the VLC streaming server it works Feb 25 23:12:05 did anybody get the scratchox2 environment working? with the tutorial on the website? Feb 25 23:12:32 zsoc: but I would expect that the vlc client is more flexible than the pre's client in terms of what it'll accept Feb 25 23:12:43 airmack, widk is sb2... most devs here use it Feb 25 23:12:58 nt4cats, by 'more flexible' you mean 'entirely different'? because i don't think it uses gst... Feb 25 23:13:15 zsoc: yeah, I guess you could say that. Feb 25 23:13:40 zsoc: maybe a good first step would be to get it working with a gstreamer-based client on my linux box Feb 25 23:13:48 zsoc: lemme do that. Feb 25 23:13:52 zsoc: somehow i can't get it working neither under gentoo nor under ubuntu Feb 25 23:14:03 nt4cats, i just logged youtube, it uses http Feb 25 23:14:15 oooh Feb 25 23:14:22 zsoc: you're sneaky. Feb 25 23:14:36 airmack, scratchbox in general? or the widk? we currently only give user support for the widk running on ubuntu 9.10 server edition Feb 25 23:15:14 airmack, it uses curl actually haha Feb 25 23:15:45 nt4cats, GST_PLUGIN_LOADING gstplugin.c:562:gst_plugin_load_file: plugin "/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libPmMediaGstHttpSrcLib.so" loaded Feb 25 23:15:55 nt4cats, custom Palm gst plugin specifically for http streaming Feb 25 23:16:08 I never looked into it (mainly because i never messed with streaming.. at least not before this) Feb 25 23:16:25 destinal-wirc, yo Feb 25 23:16:38 okay, the http streaming stuff is easier for me to understand, too, so I'm happier to try it. Feb 25 23:16:39 zsoc: hey hey Feb 25 23:17:14 so I'll see what I can make work with mpegPS (not TS) and http Feb 25 23:17:48 zsoc: one of the happy accidents that occurred from looking at these log files is the list of supported mimetypes Feb 25 23:17:50 well i am running ubuntu 9.10 server in a vm and did as it is explained in the wiki Feb 25 23:18:12 nt4cats, well again, i couldn't confirm ts isn't supported... as i have an uncrippled libgsttypefindfunctions Feb 25 23:18:27 nt4cats, my typefindfunctions list is a little larger ;) Feb 25 23:18:41 nt4cats, also, it's good to note, typefind types are _not_ mimetypes (albeit the same idea) Feb 25 23:21:05 airmack, great, so give us your errors? Feb 25 23:21:50 zsoc: going to paste it give me a sec Feb 25 23:22:05 airmack: webos.pastebin.com thanks Feb 25 23:22:52 rwhitby, as a method of debugging, is it reasonable to separate my configure and my make into two different Makefile instructions (and why aren't we already doing this)? Feb 25 23:23:07 zsoc: sure, separate it out as you please Feb 25 23:30:26 airmack: have you ever gotten WIDK working on gentoo? Feb 25 23:31:01 Tman: not really Feb 25 23:31:28 i got some toolchain running and compile a few things like dropbear openvpn Feb 25 23:31:41 mine hangs on the `make stage` with a random Perl error :/ Feb 25 23:32:27 I suppose I can try installing Ubuntu on a VM or chroot.. but :/ Feb 25 23:33:45 Tman, crossdev works amazing on gentoo Feb 25 23:34:29 Tman, i've run into issues with perl on gentoo while cross-compiling it... but nothing with the host Feb 25 23:34:39 zsoc: is that like the equivalent of Scratchbox2? Feb 25 23:35:00 Tman, yes and no, basically it's a sandbox but no jail shell Feb 25 23:35:08 zsoc: it claims it can't find strict.pm in @INC when it is clearly in one of the directories listed Feb 25 23:35:10 Tman, it's built into emerge with a wrapper, Feb 25 23:35:28 Tman, then it's probably looking in the wrong place :p host vs sb2 staging Feb 25 23:36:01 zsoc: yeah I don't really understand what all is going on :p should I try to fix it or just go with crossdev? Feb 25 23:36:18 Tman, you should install ubuntu in a vm if you want channel support :> Feb 25 23:36:52 zsoc: haha k. I do need to compile things for pre against alsa libs.. that should be interesting.. Feb 25 23:37:22 xcomp already has alsa stff working i think Feb 25 23:37:44 webos.pastebin.com/Ka6XGm5F Feb 25 23:38:01 ok thanks Feb 25 23:38:06 that should be the important part when trying to compile glibc Feb 25 23:39:35 i don't get the mmap part Feb 25 23:40:32 airmack, did you read the wiki Feb 25 23:40:34 i mean at all? Feb 25 23:40:42 there is a wiki? Feb 25 23:40:57 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK <-- particularly the "Fix mmap errors" part Feb 25 23:41:07 ah right Feb 25 23:42:03 do you think I can just get away with a chroot ubuntu install rather than VM? :) Feb 25 23:42:36 do you think you can? Feb 25 23:42:37 Tman: does that really make such a big difference? Feb 25 23:43:16 I'll try. Might, might not. Feb 25 23:43:26 Tman: you can just emerge qemu and run it in there Feb 25 23:43:55 I'm running vmware player already Feb 25 23:44:00 don't think they can run at the same time Feb 25 23:44:10 and I think I need workstation for multiple VMs Feb 25 23:44:55 zsoc: ah thanks now it seems to work -.- Feb 25 23:45:10 greet meat Feb 25 23:45:32 meat Feb 25 23:46:49 sb2-init completed successfully, have fun! Feb 25 23:46:53 You can bet on that :) Feb 25 23:51:13 Tman: I use KVM Feb 25 23:54:06 sup... Feb 25 23:54:37 ~ask Feb 25 23:54:38 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Feb 25 23:54:48 :) Feb 25 23:54:59 anyone good with qxdm or msl/spc locations? Feb 25 23:55:14 definitely not me Feb 25 23:55:18 how's your day? Feb 25 23:55:29 not bad Feb 25 23:55:37 been a pretty lazy thursday at work Feb 25 23:56:10 I'm trying to get the pixi on another carrier, but I'm having a hell of a time finding the spc. the memory's protected, so I can't just scan and dump. Feb 25 23:56:29 yaeh, i've got a feew moments free :) Feb 25 23:56:40 eye kant spel Feb 25 23:57:03 if i knew how to help i would Feb 25 23:57:10 what carriers Feb 25 23:57:25 sprint to metro/cricket/anyone else Feb 25 23:57:29 cdma to cdma Feb 25 23:57:31 nice Feb 25 23:57:47 i can do the pre, but the pixi's a mean lil one :) Feb 25 23:58:16 yeah, i used to put sprint fones on cricket back in the day, have to social hack the msl from sprint lol Feb 25 23:58:32 they're not biting anymore :( Feb 25 23:59:03 msl's are much easier to get for activated phones :p Feb 25 23:59:04 anyone gotten devmode switcher to show up on the launcher? I tried using vi, but now it just freezes 0_0 Feb 25 23:59:17 yeah. but where's the fun in that? Feb 25 23:59:43 orias activate phone, get msl, switch back to old phone, profit Feb 25 23:59:48 I must say, preware/webosquick install is pretty sweet :) Feb 26 00:00:14 orias_, we know, and we're arrogant about it Feb 26 00:00:20 hah! i wish. I'm stuck with tmo Feb 26 00:00:38 orias_: you can with a patch Feb 26 00:00:44 0_0 Feb 26 00:00:50 anymore news on Dukem? Feb 26 00:00:59 FuMan, in the git now Feb 26 00:01:01 Tman:?? Feb 26 00:01:22 orias_: there's a patch that makes the DevMode switcher show up in the launcher. Feb 26 00:01:34 zsoc, git is codeword for "beyond nub installation" isnt it Feb 26 00:02:05 hmmm... I tried to revert the .json file back to stock, but it just sits there highlighted. Feb 26 00:02:26 FuMan, well it's probably not packaged/installable, but being in the git means it is/can be worked on by multiple devs and you can view the source Feb 26 00:03:10 o_O Feb 26 00:03:13 * FuMan waits Feb 26 00:03:28 i can't swim, so my ass stays out of the pool Feb 26 00:03:30 thanks for the info on the patch Feb 26 00:03:30 zsoc: is there somehwere a guideline for submitting an appliaction? Feb 26 00:04:01 airmack, open source? Feb 26 00:04:06 man ubuntu makes it easy Feb 26 00:04:09 hi all Feb 26 00:04:15 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Launcher_Unhide_the_DeveloperMode_App Feb 26 00:04:16 JayCanuck, hey hey hey Feb 26 00:04:17 * Tman is installing a chroot.. or rather watching it be installed Feb 26 00:04:33 done! Feb 26 00:04:39 I tried this and now it just sits there. highlighted :) Feb 26 00:05:31 is it possible to make patches that allows more syncing capabilities to applications? Like flickr and picasa sync to photos Feb 26 00:06:20 and google tasks (in gmail) to the tasks application Feb 26 00:08:00 firestrider, the short answer is, patches don't suddenly makes things appear (unless they are already there, but hidden) Feb 26 00:08:27 so palm has to add those capabilities? Feb 26 00:08:45 firestrider, or it would be a lot of work, requiring a patch and a backend library Feb 26 00:08:45 what, patches can do anything Feb 26 00:08:52 they can probably be done from js Feb 26 00:09:27 tmzt, that really depends on the api's provided by those sites Feb 26 00:10:45 * oilsworkn believes zsoc could do it Feb 26 00:10:47 * oilsworkn has the faith Feb 26 00:11:04 oilsworkn, no Feb 26 00:11:24 * oilsworkn has his dreams crushed Feb 26 00:12:03 getting "app catalog installation in progress" when trying to run update on preware, even after i rebooted the phone? Feb 26 00:12:15 ouch Feb 26 00:13:25 cal__: are you using Preware 0.9.28 ? Feb 26 00:14:32 0.9.25. trying to upgrade to 0.9.28 Feb 26 00:15:16 cal__: yeah, unfortunately there's a bug in app catalog which reports that it's removing stuff. You'll need to use WebOS Quick Install to update past 0.9.25 Feb 26 00:15:46 cal__: (but first check in the app catalog to see if there is anything stuck in there that you can cancel) Feb 26 00:16:03 i dont even have it running though Feb 26 00:16:10 but okay i will start it and check Feb 26 00:17:09 cal__: app catalog does stuff in the background now Feb 26 00:18:21 does the ability to update patches *after* upgrading webos include mytether and greg roll's messaging patches? Feb 26 00:18:41 or should i remove those two before upgrading webos Feb 26 00:18:47 nope, they don't use AUPT Feb 26 00:18:53 so you need to remove them Feb 26 00:19:00 yeah thats what i was thinking Feb 26 00:21:01 Thanks! nite all! Feb 26 00:35:10 http://omploader.org/vM28xeA/webos-apache_volume-year.png <- you can tell when SDL games we made available ... Feb 26 00:40:11 rwhitby: i had an app with an ! symbol in the app catalog Feb 26 00:40:33 cal__: yep, either update it, or cancel the download Feb 26 00:40:49 it wouldnt upgrade, so i removed it. preware works now Feb 26 00:42:19 so even though the pre multitasks, i guess its a bad idea to run app catalog and preware at the same time ;) Feb 26 00:42:48 cal__, well all that is fixed now Feb 26 00:42:58 ahh Feb 26 00:44:03 Based on http://www.webos-internals.org/awstats/ipkg.preware.org/awstats.ipkg.preware.org.200909.allhosts.html, all of Bell users come from a single IP address: http://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/206.47.201.123 Feb 26 00:44:26 interesting Feb 26 00:46:06 So if Jason ever bugs me, I can block all Canadians with one rule ... ;-) Feb 26 00:46:17 haha Feb 26 00:46:35 the wrath of Rod the Terrible Feb 26 00:57:12 uhm Feb 26 00:57:18 E: Couldn't find package qemu-arm-static Feb 26 00:58:21 hopefully the alternative works in chroot Feb 26 00:59:31 Tman: are you using ubuntu 9.10? Feb 26 00:59:45 yes Feb 26 01:00:09 Tman, sudo apt-get update Feb 26 01:00:20 did you already update the packages? Feb 26 01:00:56 yeah that doesn't fix things Feb 26 01:01:08 Tman, then you don't have ubuntu 9.10, or your repos are really messed up Feb 26 01:01:35 it was working with the other packages :/ Feb 26 01:02:10 Tman: with which other packages? Feb 26 01:02:23 if you are only installing qemu-arm-static to fix the mmap thing, just do it the right way Feb 26 01:02:31 all the necessary packages listed on the WIDK wiki page Feb 26 01:02:47 well if it were only that package it wouldn't be a problem. Feb 26 01:02:56 jacques, it's still concerning his repos aren't working properly Feb 26 01:03:01 It can't find scratchbox2 or qemu-kvm-extras either. Feb 26 01:03:17 Tman, one of your repos is turned off, or corrupt... you get no errors during sudo apt-get update ? Feb 26 01:03:25 sounds like you have bigger problems then Feb 26 01:04:05 zsoc: no errors. is there a config file I can look into? Feb 26 01:04:14 Tman, i'm no ubuntu guru Feb 26 01:04:18 Tman, output of uname -a ? Feb 26 01:04:32 Linux gyro 2.6.32-gentoo #3 SMP Sun Feb 21 20:40:11 CST 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux Feb 26 01:04:38 I'm running ubuntu in a chroot Feb 26 01:04:50 so running into problems isn't extremely surprising, but this seems odd Feb 26 01:05:22 ah oktmif you can't find qemu-kvm-extras i am very very sure you are not running ubuntu 9.10 Feb 26 01:05:54 http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic Feb 26 01:06:19 that's the repo it hits (it lists 3, uhm, "variations" when I run apt-get update) Feb 26 01:06:42 unless it's a _64 arch thing, but i wouldn't think so Feb 26 01:06:52 a chroot should make pretty much no difference Feb 26 01:07:09 Tman, wait, if your uname -a shows gentoo.. you're not in the chroot :p Feb 26 01:07:11 zsoc: i am also running a _64 bit ubuntu Feb 26 01:07:21 zsoc: and yes it will Feb 26 01:07:26 * zsoc scratches his head Feb 26 01:07:27 OH right Feb 26 01:07:28 zsoc: no no, uname tells you what kernel you're running Feb 26 01:07:32 as you are not changing your kernel Feb 26 01:07:34 right right i'm sorry Feb 26 01:07:41 hmmmm Feb 26 01:07:49 this is annoying :p Feb 26 01:08:10 what you said about 64bit sounds somewhat reasonable.. but unlikely.. Feb 26 01:08:15 Tman, what is your /etc/apt/sources.list Feb 26 01:08:40 deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu karmic main Feb 26 01:09:19 Tman, no universe or multiverse? Feb 26 01:09:23 no Feb 26 01:09:28 no clue what those are :p Feb 26 01:10:07 zsoc: is the autobuilder a .sh file? Feb 26 01:10:24 zsoc: should I add those? (how?) Feb 26 01:10:44 hm.. my pastebinit isn't working Feb 26 01:11:15 do I just need to add a line (or 2)? just paste those Feb 26 01:12:49 Tman, here is a sane karmic 32bit sources.list --> http://pastebin.com/ticByQef Feb 26 01:14:56 ah that should help Feb 26 01:15:24 thanks :) Feb 26 01:15:32 Tman: and don't forget to sudo apt-get update afterwards Feb 26 01:15:39 yeah got it :) Feb 26 01:16:06 woohoo, working Feb 26 01:17:09 hmm does qemu-kvm use kernel modules? this could get interesting... Feb 26 01:18:23 Any autotools masters here? Feb 26 01:18:26 Tman: it will try to Feb 26 01:18:48 where are all kernel modules located? Feb 26 01:19:23 /usr/src/linux? Feb 26 01:19:41 nm Feb 26 01:19:48 Tman: you shouldn't be concernd with that as you won't be able to load those modules from the chroot (i guess) Feb 26 01:23:15 yeah as long as I have it loaded in the host things will be ok, hopefully Feb 26 01:23:23 yeap Feb 26 01:24:09 alrighty, make stage is happening Feb 26 01:24:20 Tman: that can take quite a long time Feb 26 01:25:17 I imagine Feb 26 01:25:43 I'll include -j4 :) Feb 26 01:26:52 Tman: what's your end goal? what package are you building? Feb 26 01:27:05 I'm developing Feb 26 01:27:15 with alsa, hopefully Feb 26 01:27:32 I heard someone in here has been doing that.. Feb 26 01:27:33 yep, what's the end application? Feb 26 01:28:20 it's a sekret Feb 26 01:28:37 asking for my trade secrets eh :) well I'm developing several applications.. including a real-time analyzer Feb 26 01:28:45 (we like to know what useful end purpose we're putting our precious energies towards supporting you ... ;-) Feb 26 01:28:55 rwhitby: will the autobuilder work on unix? Feb 26 01:28:56 skynet 2.0 going for total world domination Feb 26 01:29:09 Tman, in all fairness, anything you're building in this manner isn't going to be accepted in the catalog any time soon... Feb 26 01:29:14 anyone use the backgrounds application? supposedly has thousands of backgrounds it downloads from the internet? I'm trying to find it but can't - have searched in app catalog and preware Feb 26 01:29:28 zsoc: yeah, I'm doing this in anticipation of the PDK release Feb 26 01:29:51 Tman, even with the pdk... you'll likely be sandboxed. that's a lot of statically compiled libraries :) Feb 26 01:29:54 albeit possible Feb 26 01:30:13 but anything touching the actual framework of the phone may prove difficult or impossible Feb 26 01:30:14 hmm, good point. Feb 26 01:30:45 I'm sure that Palm intends to provide some manner of accessing audio Feb 26 01:30:56 hehe Feb 26 01:30:58 "intends", yes, "available initially", no. Feb 26 01:30:58 people have been begging for it so they can have Shazam, etc. Feb 26 01:31:30 shazam would work if shazam wanted to be on webos Feb 26 01:31:30 well it would be about time if they were to make it available with the PDK Feb 26 01:31:53 Tman, we'll see i guess, anyone who knows more couldn't say anyway Feb 26 01:31:53 camera would be nice too Feb 26 01:31:57 shazam would not be accepted in the app catalog if it worked because there is no sanctioned way of accessing the mic :) Feb 26 01:32:06 jacques, we have access to the camera ;) Feb 26 01:32:14 Tman, Pandora is in the app catalog. Feb 26 01:32:41 private api's exist, it's just good business Feb 26 01:32:44 Pandora doesn't access the mic.. of course I don't know what means it uses for audio Feb 26 01:32:45 yeah Feb 26 01:32:53 btw why is palm is restrictive with the mic? Feb 26 01:33:03 airmack, there's 2 reasons Feb 26 01:33:13 zsoc: we do? hmm, why are there no qr code scanners then? Feb 26 01:33:39 airmack, the main one is security. I can put a background service on your phone, that, whenever i like, will feed be audio from your mic remotely. there's no 'on switch' per say. Feb 26 01:33:50 airmack, giving that access through api is just a bad idea till they close that up Feb 26 01:33:58 my main goal was to use this cellphone for voip :( Feb 26 01:34:32 jacques, 1.) no _official_ way, 2.) camera macro is terrible Feb 26 01:35:18 zsoc: oh :-( and I def. agree about macro on the Pre - Pixi is much better at macro Feb 26 01:35:58 a guy who visited the booth was taking pictures of text from about 4 inches, pixi was quite readable, pre was practically noise Feb 26 01:36:06 jacques, although the guys at BiJ actually have a nice proprietary library that does magic with horrible cameras. they just need to reach out to Palm to work with them Feb 26 01:36:23 zsoc: well for me the security reason is invalid, as there are other cellphones that let you access the mic Feb 26 01:36:54 zsoc: is there any access to sending / receiving SMS ? Feb 26 01:37:30 airmack, right, "access". this isn't access, it's free reign. there's no limitation or loop or method you're calling Feb 26 01:37:34 jacques, i believe there is not Feb 26 01:37:43 =-( Feb 26 01:37:53 but I neeeeed it Feb 26 01:37:56 wow, libgstffmpeg.so is 18MB Feb 26 01:38:03 airmack: the multitasking of webos is what makes it inherently insecure.. anything can be running in the background without your knowing Feb 26 01:38:09 how big stripped? Feb 26 01:38:13 jacques, well, troll lunasysmgr / dbus while getting or sending a text... start the research ;) Feb 26 01:38:34 zsoc: yeah I should do that Feb 26 01:38:40 jacques, i didn't bother taking out decoders/encoders i didn't need. i didn't realize it would be 20MB lol Feb 26 01:38:58 zsoc: is that unstripped? Feb 26 01:39:08 jacques, also, _just now_, after 4 hours of backporting and many patches, I realize gst-ffmpeg is literally ffmpeg wrapped into a gst plugin, it's pretty rad Feb 26 01:39:24 Tman: oh so multitasking is now a security threat??? Feb 26 01:39:32 if i compile this plugin with high enough rank, it may literally decode anything lol Feb 26 01:39:40 lol Feb 26 01:39:48 I don't see multitasking as a security threat. All phones multitask Feb 26 01:39:55 yeap Feb 26 01:40:13 even the iphone does Feb 26 01:40:22 maybe in the sense the end applications can be running side by side, they could exploit each other's security holes in theory Feb 26 01:40:25 airmack: not multitasking.. but being able to use the mic with a background process, yes Feb 26 01:40:39 airmack: the iphone can't run apps in the background. not really. Feb 26 01:40:46 it can Feb 26 01:40:47 Tman: yes it can Feb 26 01:41:06 Tman, any phone can do it, it's just the sense that webos has a standard open stack. Honestly I don't like that argument. It might be easy to exploit, but it's more transparent and more difficult to hide what you're doing Feb 26 01:41:10 I thought jailbroken ones could Feb 26 01:41:11 ever tried running top or ssh in the background of the iphone? Feb 26 01:41:35 well perhaps I'm wrong but my impression was that it was more "psuedo" multitasking. w/e Feb 26 01:41:43 it all depends of your definition of "app" Feb 26 01:42:22 jacques, guess how big the version of libgstffmpeg.so on the pre is.. Feb 26 01:42:27 Tman: just because two application can't run in the foregrund doesn't mean it can't multitask Feb 26 01:42:49 webos is lightyears ahead of everything else available in _end application_ multitasking, yes Feb 26 01:42:53 airmack: I get that. My impression was that it wouldn't run any non-OS code in the background. could be wrong though. Feb 26 01:43:26 and by non-OS I mean.. anything that's part of an app etc. Feb 26 01:43:41 Tman, that gets back to security and sandboxing Feb 26 01:44:21 jacques, 220k :D Feb 26 01:44:27 ???? Feb 26 01:44:38 anyway.. need to eat Feb 26 01:44:39 jacques, the palm version is 220k, the one i just built is 18MB Feb 26 01:45:31 zsoc: I think there's room for compromise there :-) Feb 26 01:46:13 jacques, lol yes indeed and no doubt. i have to rebuild it anyway, there's all sorts of new apis i missed removing Feb 26 01:46:41 there are hardly any entry points in the stock one Feb 26 01:46:48 backporting is a 3 step process :p Feb 26 01:47:15 zsoc: why do you need to backport? Feb 26 01:47:34 glib on webos too old? Feb 26 01:47:37 jacques, you really want to know? Feb 26 01:47:53 zsoc: c'mon tell us a story : Feb 26 01:47:57 jacques, it's a cascading failure of versioning Feb 26 01:48:16 jacques, my first limitation is gst 0.10.21, which is ancient Feb 26 01:48:25 that is limited by glib (so ultimately you're right) Feb 26 01:48:41 glib on pre is 5yrs old Feb 26 01:48:42 :p Feb 26 01:48:43 gst-ffmpeg that builds against 0.10.21 is... old. like pushing 2 years. arm support is almost nonexistant Feb 26 01:48:57 yeah palm needs to do something about that glib version Feb 26 01:49:01 And the version of ffmpeg that gst-ffmpeg uses, is even OLDER Feb 26 01:49:11 en0x: yepp and same with ncurses though it is only 2 years old Feb 26 01:49:36 i think they could easly update it Feb 26 01:49:39 week of work Feb 26 01:50:13 jacques, so basically, i had to backport the new arm compatible ffmpeg INTO gst-ffmpeg, and then backport the necessary features of gst-ffmpeg to support the new ffmpeg features, into a version of gst-ffmpeg old enough to compile against 0.10.21 core Feb 26 01:50:34 lol that's shit load of work Feb 26 01:50:41 i would gave up probably Feb 26 01:50:51 or we could ship a parallel version Feb 26 01:50:55 en0x, it's not once you're used to it, backporting is actually fun if the lib you're working with is documented well enough Feb 26 01:50:59 jacques, no we can't, glib Feb 26 01:51:23 glib is too important in the whole linux world Feb 26 01:51:31 en0x, think of it as a mix of half API removing and half patching for API adding :p Feb 26 01:51:54 jacques, I mean, there are newer versions of gst that will compile against current glib, but not SUPER newer Feb 26 01:51:54 i wouldn't remove any api I would just add palms api to it Feb 26 01:52:08 jacques, and parallel gst is complicated, it's not like other libs, too much tied into the media framework Feb 26 01:52:13 zsoc: why not? put a newer version of glib in /usr/local/lib ? Feb 26 01:52:13 en0x: and where would you get that from? Feb 26 01:52:21 airmack, idk :D Feb 26 01:52:26 reverse engineering :p Feb 26 01:52:40 en0x: then what are you waiting for? Feb 26 01:52:45 go and get it boy! Feb 26 01:52:49 lol Feb 26 01:52:51 jacques, because i'm implemented this functionality into existing apps that use palm binaries Feb 26 01:52:52 im too lazy man Feb 26 01:53:15 jacques, i can't tell mediaserver to look at a parallel lib, and even if i could, it would probably break some existing functions Feb 26 01:53:15 i have shit load of projects at my work... and two of them I have to finish by tuesday airmack Feb 26 01:53:23 zsoc: ooooh Feb 26 01:53:55 airmack, so when I get home I wanna get a beer and watch some tv then have fun with my gf Feb 26 01:54:07 ;] Feb 26 01:57:58 i am still wondering why my sb2 doesn't want to work under gentoo :( Feb 26 01:58:09 airmack, pastebin Feb 26 01:59:36 it's odd puff isn't here.. doesn't he use a server that's like, always connected.. or something Feb 26 01:59:49 http://dpaste.com/165008/ Feb 26 01:59:52 * zsoc builds libgstffmpeg again Feb 26 02:00:04 zsoc: nope he all the time goes on and off Feb 26 02:00:30 arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory Feb 26 02:00:43 airmack, probably trying to execute an arm binary on your host? Feb 26 02:01:51 airmack, http://www.preyourmind.org/content/gentoo-based-cross-development-userland <-- if you're really stuck on using gentoo, this works Feb 26 02:01:54 so two guys from southeast linuxfest came by the booth and said they would *love* for someone to come speak about webos Feb 26 02:02:01 zsoc: i am using that one Feb 26 02:02:09 jacques, i would go to the northeast linux festival :P Feb 26 02:02:41 airmack, you need to avoid executing that test then, unless something else is wrong, i'm no gentoo guru Feb 26 02:02:44 but i am having exactly trouble with that in one make script is compilied and used for further compiling Feb 26 02:03:05 argh my english is getting messy Feb 26 02:03:09 it's too late Feb 26 02:03:30 lol Feb 26 02:05:28 *brainhurts* Feb 26 02:06:20 anyway have a good day/night Feb 26 02:06:27 hmm i need to get a cheap wireless keyboard that will work with linux Feb 26 02:06:28 hmm Feb 26 02:06:29 later Feb 26 02:06:43 en0x, are there many wireless keyboards which do not work with linux? Feb 26 02:07:35 hmm i know none :P Feb 26 02:08:01 zsoc: there is a linuxfest northwest ... I dunno what's on the east coast Feb 26 02:08:21 jacques, tons of tech schools up here, i'm sure there's something Feb 26 02:18:19 heh. itd be nice if we had a booth at linuxfest northwest. Feb 26 02:18:22 infobot: it's quiet Feb 26 02:18:23 too quiet. Feb 26 02:18:24 thats like an hour away from me. Feb 26 02:18:34 apri 24-25 in bellingham Feb 26 02:19:00 nice country up there Feb 26 02:19:20 jacques: I think everyone is sick of waiting for 1.4 and have finally gone off to do something else worthwhile .. Feb 26 02:20:05 ah, I'm too out of it to do anything worthwhile Feb 26 02:20:37 rwhitby, so make clean doesn't actually trigger anything to be remade, i need to remove that dummy armv7.built file, is this by design? Feb 26 02:20:53 I should read my opengl es book, or my webos book, or my lua book ... Feb 26 02:21:07 jacques, all of them :D Feb 26 02:21:33 jacques: there is a webos book? Feb 26 02:21:35 zsoc: make clobber Feb 26 02:21:45 rwhitby, er, well i don't want to delete my changes Feb 26 02:21:54 rwhitby, i'm testing various adjustments before i diff/patch stuff Feb 26 02:21:55 zsoc: ah Feb 26 02:22:06 zsoc: add a target then :-) Feb 26 02:22:19 airmack: yeah, we gave away 100 of them at SCALE Feb 26 02:22:24 ah, i get it now Feb 26 02:22:52 So, do we have 3 alpha testers running ipkgservice 0.9.37 ok? Feb 26 02:23:09 rwhitby, 0.9.37 is alpha?.. hmm.. i must have left my testing feeds on by accident lol Feb 26 02:23:22 yeah i've been running it Feb 26 02:23:31 dose anyone know if you can edit google docs on a pree? Feb 26 02:23:43 airmack: it's about javascript and mojo: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596155254/index.html Feb 26 02:23:59 rwhitby: seems fine for me :-) Feb 26 02:26:23 becouse it seams odd that i can get mail and calander but no docs Feb 26 02:30:55 downloaded "git://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build.git" did clone etc, where do i find autobuild? Feb 26 02:31:16 LoneStar99, im' confused, what are you looking for exactly? Those are the scripts that the autobuilder builds Feb 26 02:31:19 LoneStar99: the top-level makefile Feb 26 02:31:30 Hmm: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/02/25/palm-ceo’s-letter-to-employees/?mod=rss_WSJBlog Feb 26 02:31:51 rwhitby, top level makefile does ALL the magic? Feb 26 02:32:34 rwhitby, that's good actually, they still have 500 million dollars Feb 26 02:32:48 zsoc: top level makefile controls the magic Feb 26 02:32:58 the autobuilder simply does "git pull ; make ; make upload" Feb 26 02:33:07 trying to find a script which I can make an installable IPKG Feb 26 02:33:09 i see Feb 26 02:33:21 from project files Feb 26 02:33:32 LoneStar99: toolchain/ipkg-utils Feb 26 02:34:06 does it run on the command line? Feb 26 02:35:47 jacques, holy crap it worked. it actually loaded. it's 100% backloaded Feb 26 02:35:49 rwhitby, nice find Feb 26 02:36:08 will see how they will focus on sales... and what they will say about my broken pre :( Feb 26 02:36:17 I backported a current git ffmpeg into a 2 year old gst-ffmpeg package compiling against a 2.5 year old gst core. Feb 26 02:36:27 en0x: front page of precentral - wasn't hard to find :-) Feb 26 02:36:37 now it probably won't _work_ for what i want it to, but it's frickin' cool Feb 26 02:36:40 LoneStar99: it's a python script Feb 26 02:36:44 rwhitby, i havent checked precentral in a while :p Feb 26 02:37:07 en0x: there's this new fangled technology called RSS ... Feb 26 02:37:26 zsoc: congrats! Feb 26 02:37:38 rwhitby, i check my rss in the mornings when I drink coffee at work :P Feb 26 02:38:01 zsoc: yeah, nice work. is it just the fileindexer thing we need to solve before packaging this? Feb 26 02:38:42 rwhitby, er, more or less yes, there's one other _minor_ caveat but it's something i think i got figure out Feb 26 02:39:00 rwhitby, everything else is just lib's and postinsts, regular stuff Feb 26 02:39:38 rwhitby, er, well sort of. i mean i need to replace libgsttypefindfunctions.so as well, so i was going to do a backup and stick the new one in /usr/local, as long as that's ok Feb 26 02:40:24 what uses that? just the fileindexer? Feb 26 02:41:22 is there a tutorial onusage of ipkg-build? Feb 26 02:41:29 LoneStar99: nope Feb 26 02:41:42 LoneStar99: but there's a big working example :-) Feb 26 02:41:56 rwhitby, er, no.. mediaserver uses it. well gstreamer uses it. Feb 26 02:42:04 which example? pre-ware? Feb 26 02:42:15 LoneStar99: build.git Feb 26 02:42:24 rwhitby, it's the thing that decodebin uses to decide what plugins to pick. decodebin is used by playbin which is used by gstreamer which is exec'd by mediaserver Feb 26 02:42:25 support/package.mk Feb 26 02:42:42 zsoc: no way around replacing that palm lib? Feb 26 02:43:08 rwhitby, it's not a palm lib, but yes it's in the filesystem, and no, there's only 1 patch, and it doesn't add anything, it just cripples filetype support for no reason Feb 26 02:43:27 rwhitby, in _theory_ we could bspatch... Feb 26 02:44:07 without an uncrippled version of that .so, i can only add codec support for existing filetypes, but no new filetypes Feb 26 02:44:39 infobot: make me a sandwich Feb 26 02:44:40 make: *** No rule to make target `me a sandwich'. Stop. Feb 26 02:44:46 rwhitby: would you have a snipplet on how to convert project "abc123" into a working/ installable IPKG? Feb 26 02:45:12 so... does anyone have a wma laying around so i can test this? i've never actually had a wma before and i can't find any 'test' ones... Feb 26 02:48:30 LoneStar99: cd apps/preware ; make package Feb 26 02:48:54 seriously, it's proving harder for me to find a legit free .wma file than it was to get wma support working Feb 26 02:50:02 zsoc: trying to help u out finding one Feb 26 02:50:11 kinda difficult Feb 26 02:50:19 lol a pandora update just came out... 1.01, bet it was the ad fix Feb 26 02:50:40 rwhitby: wow, seems straight forword Feb 26 02:50:42 zsoc: windows media player can rip them Feb 26 02:51:27 destinal-wirc, does it run in wine? Feb 26 02:51:33 destinal-wirc, and honestly i don't really want to install wine Feb 26 02:51:57 destinal-wirc, rip me one? :p Feb 26 02:52:43 on pre that would be an impressive feat :) Feb 26 02:52:55 destinal-wirc, i ported an sdl app on my pre Feb 26 02:53:06 destinal-wirc, with terminal app actually, so i guess _you_ did that really ;) Feb 26 02:53:24 rwhitby: if I wanted to use "ipkg-build" in a unix box, what would I need python? Feb 26 02:53:45 zsoc: lol Feb 26 02:54:10 why are vorbis comments not id3 compatible Feb 26 02:54:30 and why did microsoft have to go and use a proprietary tagging system Feb 26 02:54:35 and why did i even have to ask that last question Feb 26 02:55:00 zsoc: : you must have more patience with pre keyboard than I Feb 26 02:55:22 Verizon's new Palm commercials during the olympics are really nice Feb 26 02:55:29 destinal-wirc, i just like vim _that_ much Feb 26 02:56:22 what do people use for an ereader on webos? Feb 26 02:56:51 jtrucks, my browser Feb 26 02:56:57 for non-pdfs that is. Feb 26 02:57:32 no one has a wma? Feb 26 02:57:33 preader Feb 26 02:57:33 zsoc: do you use a site that converts things, or do you just use formats that the browser can read/display? Feb 26 02:58:01 jtrucks, any books i read i read in book format, and anything else i read is readily found on the internet, so i guess the answer is, i don't use an ereader :p Feb 26 02:58:09 ahhh. :) Feb 26 02:58:14 feeds? ;) Feb 26 02:58:17 are you looking for any wma for testing? Feb 26 02:58:39 jtrucks, yes Feb 26 02:58:44 What's the best way to backup everything on my Pixi? Feb 26 02:58:45 just a got a compiling error when trying to make stage: http://webos.pastebin.ca/1811198 Feb 26 02:58:48 jtrucks, if you have a license free wma i would like it :) Feb 26 02:59:47 airmack, pastebin.ca isn't connecting for me D: **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 26 02:59:57 2010