**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 27 02:59:56 2010 Feb 27 03:00:18 Now the olympics will be exciting, time for short track Feb 27 03:00:19 zsoc: you should have seen the off-topic chaos here yesterday when I posted the link on PreCentral Feb 27 03:00:39 Hi all, i have a question about last nights events. How was it possible that tomi666 got the upade? Feb 27 03:00:44 Kyusaku: google for webos justinput Feb 27 03:00:57 imop45: 44 others have too Feb 27 03:01:14 and rwhittby: good job deleting that link :) Feb 27 03:01:33 I was thinking its been asked alot... Feb 27 03:01:44 imop45: I knew it would be a 30 minute max phenomenon Feb 27 03:01:44 link? Feb 27 03:02:01 destinal-wirc: freenode webchat link Feb 27 03:02:14 btw, what's +m mean? Feb 27 03:02:26 rwhitby: damn these chinese, we need to get them in here Feb 27 03:03:28 So, no one has figured out how he got it? Feb 27 03:03:31 imop45: +m is a mode where only those with +v can speak Feb 27 03:04:02 can china use irc without advanced haxoring? Feb 27 03:04:35 the implementation is really good too Feb 27 03:05:37 The downloads pull from somewhere specific... so i'm wondering if it's possible to force download from palms server. aka downloads.palm.com/sprntupdates/1.4.0_ipk.. only an exaomle Feb 27 03:07:13 hrm Feb 27 03:08:09 It will be out in a couple of hours. Feb 27 03:08:16 imop: if someone captured the update traffic than maybe you could get lots of individual ipk urls Feb 27 03:08:48 last time I captured it that's how it worked Feb 27 03:08:54 not one file Feb 27 03:10:17 Hmm, couldnt u pull up a download history in the webos update program? Feb 27 03:11:25 yes thats right, palm changed the update process.. So the ipk's are for each new enhancement? Feb 27 03:11:41 bspatch ftw Feb 27 03:12:10 Eguy: are you sure ltm? Feb 27 03:12:57 If it is not being pushed out by 4 hours, Palm will be up a shit creek. Feb 27 03:13:25 Eguy: well they still have 2 days till the end of Feb Feb 27 03:13:55 It would be to their advantage to not use those 2 days. Feb 27 03:14:08 geist, here for the party? Feb 27 03:14:13 it'll be interesting to see how palm combated the video recording problem. Feb 27 03:14:13 Apparently the Pixi update will be out the 29th though. Feb 27 03:14:39 Oh yeah, and the pre one on the 15th, and 25th. Feb 27 03:14:46 well, more like i had a power outage this morning Feb 27 03:14:50 high winds in sunnyvale Feb 27 03:14:56 imop45: what video recording problem? Feb 27 03:14:56 geist: at least you didn't get 2 feet of snow Feb 27 03:15:04 cryptk, audio sync Feb 27 03:15:13 zsoc: ahh... Feb 27 03:15:15 Imagine if Palm's update servers went down LOL Feb 27 03:15:35 Eguy: I seem to remember something like that happening before Feb 27 03:15:45 i'm sure they're not local Feb 27 03:15:46 Eguy, i believe they use one of the largest tier 2's in the world... Feb 27 03:15:50 cryptk: also video not showing on the screen, so recording bloind, unless webos-internals figure that out Feb 27 03:15:56 they're probably at akamai or something Feb 27 03:16:04 They do, but just imagine the uproar on the forums. Feb 27 03:16:17 imop45, well, we did, but there was no reason to go forward with 1.4 so close.. i mean it's not magic or anything :) Feb 27 03:16:56 oh, is it on the wiki iscussion? id like to read about it Feb 27 03:17:05 imop45, probably not Feb 27 03:17:07 yeah not magical, like the iPad Feb 27 03:17:10 a lot of us are really lazy Feb 27 03:17:21 jacques, that explains it... flash is anti-magiks :p Feb 27 03:17:21 lol iPad. Feb 27 03:17:41 heyyeah...i know, i worked on the wiki a bit to make it more user friendly. Feb 27 03:17:46 few things better in life than cast strength mediocre bourbon Feb 27 03:17:50 s/cast/cask Feb 27 03:18:10 is Fish Fillets an existing port? Feb 27 03:18:21 not to get into anything really, but how the heck did they fix it? Feb 27 03:18:28 Cask aged scotch ale! Feb 27 03:18:35 i love fish fillet! Feb 27 03:18:48 does fish fillets launch for anyone? Feb 27 03:18:51 downloading now... had never heard of it Feb 27 03:18:59 jacques, ill let you know in a minute :) Feb 27 03:19:01 Not the McDonald's one.... Feb 27 03:19:08 imop45, it was never really broken.. just a tee using the existing gst framework Feb 27 03:19:09 FuMan: `k Feb 27 03:20:04 ah, ok Feb 27 03:20:42 freakout, wha...!? Feb 27 03:20:48 crazy, no? Feb 27 03:20:54 freakout, crazy, yes! Feb 27 03:20:56 ~BRUSHIE Feb 27 03:20:58 BRUSHIE BRUSHIE BRUSHIE http://static.funnyjunk.com/pictures/brushie.jpg Feb 27 03:21:03 I have local leave from the horrors of boot camp for the next two hours. Feb 27 03:21:12 So I'm spending at least the next.... 15 minutes in this internet cafe Feb 27 03:21:20 niiiice, 1.4 should drop tonight Feb 27 03:21:34 Cool bananas! Feb 27 03:21:43 freakout!!! Feb 27 03:21:48 http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3575664&l=58ee714e92&id=630823099 Feb 27 03:21:50 Which camp? Florida? Feb 27 03:21:58 haha Feb 27 03:22:05 With EPR, does it permanently delete all your patches? Feb 27 03:22:16 That would be the Army Recruit Training Centre in Wagga Wagga, a horrible horrible little town Feb 27 03:22:19 Silly freakout, spas aren't boot camps. Feb 27 03:22:30 Eguy, lol Feb 27 03:22:43 A spa is just a dream to me at this point Feb 27 03:22:50 I would settle for a shower that laster longer than 30 seconds Feb 27 03:23:04 freakout: are you in basic? Feb 27 03:23:15 I want to wake up to a nice alarm clock, and not Corporal Black yelling HALLWAY 26!!! Feb 27 03:23:23 I want to talk on my phone without standing at ATTENTION! Feb 27 03:23:32 imop45, yep. for aus army Feb 27 03:23:38 Do you have to take a dumb at attention also? Feb 27 03:23:39 What country? Feb 27 03:23:47 s/dumb/dump/ Feb 27 03:23:47 Eguy meant: Do you have to take a dump at attention also? Feb 27 03:23:52 BoomerET: australia Feb 27 03:23:56 freakout, everyone knows au doesn't have an army... Feb 27 03:24:17 Eguy: no. At least, not in the barracks... out field may be a different story. Which is where I'm going after med training next week Feb 27 03:24:24 i wonder how much it differs from us basic Feb 27 03:24:26 I did a month of ops with special forces out of Brisbane. Feb 27 03:24:36 BoomerET: that would have been pretty hardcore Feb 27 03:24:41 imop45: Very different Feb 27 03:24:55 ltm, why do you say that? Feb 27 03:25:05 imop45: probably not much I'd wager... day starts at 0600 and finishes at 2200 Feb 27 03:25:15 Drill, PT, shooting, all that good stuff Feb 27 03:25:15 I was US Navy. Hence my nick. ET on a 'boomer' Feb 27 03:25:35 They get massages and are shown movies during the day Feb 27 03:25:42 I'm an awesome shot, I've discovered - got 195 out of 230 on my final shooting test, and that was with three ammo stoppages that cost me at least 20 points Feb 27 03:25:49 BoomerET: Where were you based out of? Feb 27 03:25:49 what? im moving to aus! Feb 27 03:25:52 Eguy: HA! Feb 27 03:26:00 BoomerET: cool Feb 27 03:26:04 pearl harbor Feb 27 03:26:22 Hopefully after 1941 ;) Feb 27 03:26:32 10 min lunches? Feb 27 03:26:49 imop45: depends on how nice the corporals are feeling... Feb 27 03:26:55 I was a few weeks old when JFK was killed. Feb 27 03:27:00 tough disqualification.... Feb 27 03:27:02 lol corporals Feb 27 03:27:08 yeah, in us they arent nice at all... Feb 27 03:27:23 The last few days have been pretty good. LF6 (the final weapons test) was wednesday and most of the platoon passed, so things have been pretty cruisy 'cause the corporals aren't pissed at us Feb 27 03:27:25 not untill 5 weeks or more Feb 27 03:27:32 freakout: You're a good shot with the water gun? Feb 27 03:27:37 Eguy: :P Feb 27 03:27:44 the F88 AUSteyr Feb 27 03:27:45 Do you have war games? Feb 27 03:27:57 imop45: yep, after med training next week we go out field Feb 27 03:28:01 No need, it's Australia Feb 27 03:28:04 one phase of that will be recruits vs instructors Feb 27 03:28:16 We are already planning some strategies to fuck up the corporals :) Feb 27 03:28:42 yeah, I'm sure they haven't seen any of that before :-) Feb 27 03:28:45 freakout: The AUG is awesome, great equipment. Feb 27 03:28:50 Awesome, trade the blanks out for real, that"ll show em Feb 27 03:28:56 jacques: hahaha Feb 27 03:29:06 imop45: oh, i'm sure that would go down well ;) Feb 27 03:29:20 Yes, all of them would go down ltm Feb 27 03:29:25 hey freakout Feb 27 03:29:39 Heck, or just let the lions out of theyre cages. Feb 27 03:30:00 rwhitby: howdy doo Feb 27 03:30:11 They don't have lions in Australia, only Kangaroos. Feb 27 03:30:13 How's Preware / Internals coming along? Feb 27 03:30:25 Eguy: AUG? Feb 27 03:30:43 freakout: The F88's real name is the AUG Feb 27 03:31:09 F88 is the designation Australia gives it Feb 27 03:31:26 Eguy: huh! that wasn't in the lessons. It's a good weapon, but my personal one is a heap of crap - whoever had it before me let it rust real bad Feb 27 03:31:32 I don't know. I saw some huge freaking bats when I was in Brisbane. Two of em coulda carried me. Feb 27 03:31:45 I had to sand it off in places, and the protective coat is gone from a lot of parts, so now I have to drown it in oil Feb 27 03:31:53 Did they teach you it is Swiss? Feb 27 03:32:00 Eguy: yah Feb 27 03:32:18 So, ive been using the smartrelfex patch for a while, havent noticed much. How's it compare to scaling? I used scaling in july... it made videos choppy Feb 27 03:32:21 I fired it on auto at the range. Accidentally. My coach was not pleased. But it was cool Feb 27 03:32:23 that explains why it's classically silver Feb 27 03:32:26 My Americanism is showing. Feb 27 03:32:55 It's got quite a kick in FA Feb 27 03:33:15 Eguy: yep!! totally runied my grouping average on LF3, heh Feb 27 03:33:17 I would take a FN SCAR over an AUG though Feb 27 03:33:40 imop45, reflex works Feb 27 03:33:43 scaling doesnt Feb 27 03:33:46 also, 600 mhz patches arent in preware anymore! Feb 27 03:33:46 okeydoke, I need to hit it... have some shopping to do Feb 27 03:33:48 pretty much sums it up Feb 27 03:33:51 BoomerET: the animals you saw in brisbane were flying foxes, not technically bats Feb 27 03:33:56 see you all in another month or so... Feb 27 03:34:01 Have fun! Feb 27 03:34:03 have fun freakout Feb 27 03:34:08 FuMan: why doesnt scaling work? Feb 27 03:34:09 cheers fellas :) Feb 27 03:34:14 freakout, peace Feb 27 03:34:15 freakout: thanks for dropping by, we missed you Feb 27 03:34:15 Don't shoot the corporals in FA ;) Feb 27 03:34:18 it made videos choppy Feb 27 03:34:20 o_O Feb 27 03:34:34 FuMan: it still does that ltm? Feb 27 03:34:43 scaling just seemed to induce more oddities Feb 27 03:34:46 people have refined it a bit Feb 27 03:34:51 to try and help it Feb 27 03:35:02 but I never had a 100 percent working scaling, vs reflex that was lovely from the get go Feb 27 03:35:27 i used it when webos was a lil baby. Yes, i chose reflex b/c its on the hardware side of things Feb 27 03:36:35 Still tho, were the 600 mhz patches removed from preware b/c of danger Feb 27 03:36:51 thats what they say Feb 27 03:37:03 however, there are some 720 and 800 mhz patches in testing right now that are pretty deluxe Feb 27 03:38:30 ooo wow... My pre was made in june according to ##rtn## so ive been scared to use it Feb 27 03:38:45 meh Feb 27 03:39:07 then again... if it breaks i have a warrantee.. Feb 27 03:39:09 Mine was made in May ;) Feb 27 03:39:25 Geez, this is my 8th pre..im getting sick of returns Feb 27 03:39:31 1.5 hrs left til 26th ends Feb 27 03:39:37 and still nothing =( Feb 27 03:39:45 1.5 hours? Feb 27 03:39:52 est Feb 27 03:39:55 so is Palm I'd imagine Feb 27 03:39:58 EST doesn't matter Feb 27 03:40:03 i meant for me Feb 27 03:40:05 not cali time Feb 27 03:40:05 =P Feb 27 03:40:34 Ah. Feb 27 03:40:41 if its not around by then ill just hope its around in the morning when i wake up Feb 27 03:40:47 We got 5.5 hours Feb 27 03:40:55 5.5? Feb 27 03:40:58 4.5? Feb 27 03:41:00 * oil thinks there needs to be more crying about 1.4 Feb 27 03:41:18 5.5 is giving them extra time :P Feb 27 03:41:24 FuMan: what about increasing RAM size? Feb 27 03:41:26 :'( Feb 27 03:41:40 1.4 doubles it Feb 27 03:41:44 oil: Go to forums.precentral.net. Feb 27 03:41:54 how would you increase ram? Feb 27 03:41:59 heard nothing on that front Feb 27 03:42:05 lolol Feb 27 03:42:16 lol Feb 27 03:42:38 i thought 1.4 increases storage from 8gb to 64gb Feb 27 03:42:44 didnt know it affected ram Feb 27 03:42:52 heh Feb 27 03:42:52 128 Smubeht Feb 27 03:42:55 64 i hear Tb Feb 27 03:42:57 must not have read the leaked changelog Feb 27 03:43:03 this /media/ram Feb 27 03:43:19 128 really? hrmm those guys are more cunning than i thought. pretty sweet Feb 27 03:43:26 didnt the "extracards" patch increase ram? Feb 27 03:43:33 how sweet would that be if it actually had that 128gb Feb 27 03:43:42 it doesnt play xvid Feb 27 03:43:43 and 5 day battery life Feb 27 03:43:44 =) Feb 27 03:43:47 so i dont use the space i have now O_o Feb 27 03:43:48 imop45: No, that was magic. Feb 27 03:43:58 are we there yet? Feb 27 03:44:06 I have 1GB free on my pre :( Feb 27 03:44:16 hehe Feb 27 03:44:19 im getting weird app updates Feb 27 03:44:21 so who keeps refreshing update page ? Feb 27 03:44:22 that arent in the app catalog Feb 27 03:44:31 but are "1.4 updates" of other apps i have Feb 27 03:44:38 by pounding the Updates app Feb 27 03:44:56 Eguy: where did the extracards patch go? its not in preware hmmmm Feb 27 03:45:11 i wonder if palm is keeping track of how many 'refreshes' have registered in update app Feb 27 03:45:12 lol Feb 27 03:45:17 im curious to know the # Feb 27 03:45:18 Not 1.3.5 compatible Feb 27 03:45:18 lol Feb 27 03:45:34 its so annoying "Show Updates" is always there Feb 27 03:47:21 man, the level of inter-country animosity is amazing on the precentral comments Feb 27 03:47:42 what Feb 27 03:47:45 rwhitby: The reason I don't go there anymore. Feb 27 03:47:50 south jersey hating central? Feb 27 03:47:54 Eguy: ah, ok. did palm fix the swap problems? Feb 27 03:48:06 I have no idea Feb 27 03:48:22 rwhitby: yea i noticed that "why do other countries get update first its a usa company" this is a qoute not my words Feb 27 03:48:26 yeah I can't read the comments on precentral ... or engadget Feb 27 03:48:44 engadget at least disabled comments for a weekend Feb 27 03:48:49 People opening the updates app and refreshing just causes more problems for the update servers. Feb 27 03:48:53 jacques, my fish fillets icon is a Moon Feb 27 03:48:56 and it wont launch Feb 27 03:48:58 so, yu arent alone Feb 27 03:49:09 oops, just caused my main phone to be logged out of it's profile. this often results in a doctoring .... Feb 27 03:49:16 chrisa: yeah I liked that Feb 27 03:49:30 You can turn engadget's comments off now. Feb 27 03:49:30 JMyaDaGod: yeah last night it was all over this place Feb 27 03:49:31 FuMan: thanks Feb 27 03:49:35 that same q Feb 27 03:49:37 npnp Feb 27 03:49:40 Eguy: and I have Feb 27 03:49:44 rwhitby: Ouch. Feb 27 03:49:52 precentral forum reports that precentral tweeted that the update will come after midnight? Feb 27 03:50:08 That's from VZW. Feb 27 03:50:18 never feed them after midnight Feb 27 03:50:36 Mercury: self-inflicted ... Feb 27 03:50:51 jacques: The general readability of the internet is like a 13 year old's cell phone. Feb 27 03:50:52 rwhitby: What did you do? Feb 27 03:51:21 Mercury: let's just say that using the same profile on your main phone and accidentally typing it into a dev phone is not a good idea Feb 27 03:51:50 Go Apollo! Feb 27 03:52:10 Are there any patches that don't work with the new 1.4 update? Feb 27 03:52:20 LED notification :) Feb 27 03:52:31 golly: LED notification :) Feb 27 03:52:33 3 are obsolete, LED is one I forgot the others Feb 27 03:52:34 rwhitby: Yeah, I can see that doing it. Feb 27 03:52:38 Its included now yay Feb 27 03:52:47 Probably swipe videos to delete too Feb 27 03:52:50 Any signs of new things to sync to? Feb 27 03:53:08 I really wonder why palm has commented out so many things.. Feb 27 03:53:23 To piss us off Feb 27 03:53:34 ha, no kidding... Feb 27 03:53:43 To get people like us to beta test the features that they are not sure about yet. Feb 27 03:53:47 Hey that's a better question to ask.........are there any new commented out parts that CAN be made into patches? Feb 27 03:53:53 to create t athriving patch ecosystem Feb 27 03:54:01 Since they know we'll uncomment them and test it, and not blame them if it breaks. Feb 27 03:54:16 same reason microsoft puts so many security holes in windows Feb 27 03:54:20 imop45: the scaling patches are still in the git repp. Feb 27 03:54:23 repo. Feb 27 03:54:33 if you really want them. Feb 27 03:54:47 just not avail through the feeds. Feb 27 03:54:58 yea, im wanting reflew. Are they in there too? Feb 27 03:55:33 by golly golly, youve askd one great question Feb 27 03:56:29 There probably some goodies hidden away, just like there have been with previous firmwares Feb 27 03:56:38 they are Feb 27 03:57:05 We covered those. It increases the storage from 8GB to 128GB Feb 27 03:57:15 now, let's see if these rumoured free EA games are in the .eu app catalog Feb 27 03:57:22 For the Pre Plus: 16GB to 256GB Feb 27 03:57:39 has any verizon subs received the update or just sprint? Feb 27 03:57:44 sims 3 and monopoly for free Feb 27 03:57:44 THats an amazing feat.. 8 to 128 Feb 27 03:57:53 Eguy: Magic pixie dust? Feb 27 03:58:02 Need For Speed is also free rwhitby Feb 27 03:58:16 is guitar hero 5 any good? Feb 27 03:58:31 How do i access this free app catalog? Feb 27 03:58:32 * Mercury waits for sprint to actually hit go. Feb 27 03:58:40 imop45: Update to 1.4 Feb 27 03:58:57 I think those free games are demo versions Feb 27 03:59:01 You need to ask nicely. Feb 27 03:59:17 Hmm, cant do that yet.. havent figured out "nicely" Feb 27 03:59:20 yeah they are demos Feb 27 03:59:22 Imop: you have to switch to live ammo to see the free apps Feb 27 03:59:30 any reason why these wouldn't work on other arm devices with sgx chip? Feb 27 03:59:32 GH5 looks like it would lag causing you to miss all the notes. Feb 27 03:59:50 tmzt: The entire WebOS software stack? Feb 27 04:00:42 It's 8PM Feb 27 04:00:51 1.4 will probably come out tonight since a few Americans have already received it Feb 27 04:00:53 Anytime from now until Midnight. Feb 27 04:01:11 Eguy: Midnight in which timezone? Feb 27 04:01:17 PST Feb 27 04:01:28 Is it the carriers that are in charge of releasing the update? Feb 27 04:01:40 No, Palm pushes the update. Feb 27 04:01:41 Americans? they have everything and want more cowbell... Feb 27 04:01:45 webos' native tz Feb 27 04:01:53 Which is why it is PST. Feb 27 04:02:21 there's probably a line at in-n-out Feb 27 04:02:27 imop45: I don't have a Veyron. Feb 27 04:02:28 always was on friday night Feb 27 04:02:46 someone drive over to Palm HQ and see if the lights are still on. They may be madly fixing bugs and testing on those few people that received, otherwise doesn't make sense that they would wait Feb 27 04:02:47 I dont have an rx-8.. Feb 27 04:02:53 jacques: In-N-Out gets busy around midnight with the stoners. Feb 27 04:03:05 Palm is a bunch of tech nerds like us......so they're probably playing us and waiting till 11:59pm cause they know many will wait till midnight Feb 27 04:03:08 yeah I always tried to go by 11 Feb 27 04:03:18 eh, im american also Feb 27 04:03:37 jacques: You from CA? Feb 27 04:03:54 Eguy: no, but lived in sunnyvale for a few years Feb 27 04:04:00 Ah. Feb 27 04:04:01 Palm will be having taking quite a few no-goes tonight Feb 27 04:04:26 I live down the street from an In-N-Out. I'm one of the few people who think it isn't that great. Feb 27 04:04:45 Maybe Palm's update-sender finally got a date tonight Feb 27 04:04:47 I really liked it Feb 27 04:05:09 gollyzila: rwhitby has the update lever. Feb 27 04:05:21 finally found something almost as good here - smashburger Feb 27 04:05:28 Mercury: just the sdl games Feb 27 04:05:39 in-n-out reminds me of cum N go's Feb 27 04:05:47 rwhitby: flip the switch! Feb 27 04:06:01 Eh imop45? Feb 27 04:06:05 does rwhitby work at sprint? Feb 27 04:06:13 lol.... Feb 27 04:06:22 tmzt: I wonder how much of the GL stack for that chip is owned by Palm and closed though. Feb 27 04:06:23 Cum-N-Go's? never heard of them? Feb 27 04:06:35 imop45: yeah, I run Sprint's network operations centre, and moonlight as the webos-internals founder Feb 27 04:06:39 Mercury: none of it? Feb 27 04:06:42 Sound's like a bad Porno Feb 27 04:07:03 tmzt: And all of the apps will have been ported to deal with the WebOS specific oddities, so, no, not a straight drop in. On the whole, I'd be unsuprised to see the games showing up an Android phones at some point though. Feb 27 04:07:34 http://image30.webshots.com/31/2/85/12/262628512isTAlQ_ph.jpg Feb 27 04:07:41 no, a gas station :) Feb 27 04:07:48 sdl games, the EA ones mentioned Feb 27 04:08:02 Eguy: don't see NFS in the .eu cat yet, but my version flag hasn't been reset yet so I'm only seeing 260 apps there Feb 27 04:08:13 http://vincemichael.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/kum-go.jpg Feb 27 04:08:13 imop45: I've seen them Feb 27 04:08:16 tmzt: They actually said that they used SDL for the port? Feb 27 04:08:17 It was on that website. Feb 27 04:09:00 the games are console applications Feb 27 04:09:12 rwhitby: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Precentralnet/~3/scFoq15Cj8E/need-speed-en-el-espa%C3%B1ol-app-catalog-gratis Feb 27 04:09:36 so, if i was going to go to a school to learn more about coding... What type of class should i take? Feb 27 04:09:47 Javascript Feb 27 04:09:55 Eguy: yeah, I do read PreCentral front-page articles, thanks. Feb 27 04:10:00 :P Feb 27 04:10:03 pascal Feb 27 04:10:07 logo Feb 27 04:10:15 Eguy: and usually chuckle at the inaccuracies Feb 27 04:10:17 cobol ftw Feb 27 04:10:25 imop45: I wouldn't suggest it in the first place, actually. Feb 27 04:10:41 Mercury: why so? Feb 27 04:10:45 I don't get it... http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery/app-catalog/need-for-speed-undercover-free Feb 27 04:10:57 are we there yet? Feb 27 04:11:47 Someone should try to send NFS Free to their USA Pre :D Feb 27 04:12:02 thats what im doing now :) Feb 27 04:12:07 imop45: Because until you get to the graduate level (Masters, PhDs), I've not met many people, at all, who went to college to learn how to program and came out being even half way competent by my standards. Feb 27 04:12:52 more? Feb 27 04:13:00 what do you know now? Feb 27 04:13:04 imop45: Plenty of competent people who learned while they were in college, or went for the degree, but _very_ few who actually went to the classes to learn how. Feb 27 04:13:08 Mercury: Hmm.. ive figured out the linux stuff without schooling though.. No matter tho? Feb 27 04:13:19 still only 47 accesses Feb 27 04:13:30 Heh, I code at home. Play mario in programming class. Feb 27 04:13:35 ah Feb 27 04:13:36 I want to learn how though. THats the diff, not for $, but for knowledge Feb 27 04:14:01 I don't code at home or at work :P Feb 27 04:14:37 lots of patience. although i mod hardware and write software Feb 27 04:14:45 imop45: See Tibfib for a good example, the classes will teach you, how to write a given program in a given language that at least vaguely does something close to what it's supposed to. It doesn't teach you how to understand WTF you're doing, and why some things are right and some things are wrong. Feb 27 04:14:52 @Mercury too true Feb 27 04:14:55 interesting, the free .eu apps are not in the RSS app catalog feeds Feb 27 04:15:24 Is it strange that I have "Never Gonna Give You Up" stuck in my head during this firmware update comotion? Feb 27 04:15:37 Ah, i see. Kinda like almost all math classes... Feb 27 04:15:47 oil: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/232737-sprint-admin-1-4-info-update.html Feb 27 04:16:00 It doesn't help that my class is moving at a third grade pace. Feb 27 04:16:08 Is it strange I like the rickroll song? Feb 27 04:16:12 you learn allgebra, but not wth the formula;s and rules are their Feb 27 04:16:14 imop45: My advice is the same as it was several years ago, find an open source project that interests you and start beating your brain against it, find whatever book, reference, or tutorials actually make sense to you, personally, I suggest a good reference manual, and start teaching yourself and asking for advice. Feb 27 04:16:34 thats what im trying to do with webos.. Feb 27 04:17:00 that thread isn't even multiple pages Feb 27 04:17:03 not enough rage Feb 27 04:17:17 imop45: And when someone says bad things about your code, listen and try to understand _why_ they are saying it. Building up a large set of rules in your head on what's ok and what isn't doesn't really do much good unless you build an understanding of why. Feb 27 04:17:34 "This application is not available in your country" to need for speed Feb 27 04:17:40 Hahaha Feb 27 04:18:19 Yes, exactly like math class... Im wanting to make an alarm app for the pre.. Feb 27 04:18:36 I wonder the amount of people that will hit refresh between 11-12am Feb 27 04:19:08 Palm's server admins laugh at the web traffic I'm sure. Feb 27 04:19:18 its not coming out because the servers are dead from everyone checking for it Feb 27 04:19:23 ive been trying to learn, but its been a slow process. I learned a lot in july about linux command but i didnt have me pre for months and forgot most of it Feb 27 04:20:02 oil: you're joking right? Feb 27 04:20:05 palm not laughing, probably thrilled that someone cares (and they still have jobs) Feb 27 04:20:10 +oil: i dont think it takes that much bandwith for a check.. maybe a few KB Feb 27 04:20:20 obviously im joking Feb 27 04:20:48 I would laugh so hard if they went down and palm posted on palm.com Update Servers are dead lulz. Feb 27 04:20:51 Though, their sysadmin team is probably up monitoring stuff and ready to deal with whatever happens. Feb 27 04:21:09 palm probably has only 2 servers... the palm backup problem is b/c someone spilled soda on one of the servers :) Feb 27 04:21:35 They have far more than 2 Feb 27 04:21:56 " Damnit robertson, i told you not to put your soda on the server" Feb 27 04:21:58 It was probably diet, I knew that stuff wasn't good for you Feb 27 04:22:04 imop45: Actually, they probably have one or more really impressive data centers, with a distressingly high amount of the power load being disks. Feb 27 04:22:06 imop45: you can install linux on a pc too Feb 27 04:22:08 :) Feb 27 04:22:24 ..wait.. you can? Feb 27 04:22:25 imop45: Even inside a virtual machine, so you don't have to blow away what you already have. Feb 27 04:22:28 :p i have linux Feb 27 04:22:43 i have... 4 OSes on my hdd Feb 27 04:22:45 They can probably pop popcorn on their servers right now Feb 27 04:23:29 I have never found having multiple operating systems to boot to very valueable. It's just, not useful if you have to stop what you're doing to switch. Feb 27 04:23:31 what's Timfib? Feb 27 04:23:35 Tibfib Feb 27 04:23:42 What an amazing race Feb 27 04:23:56 imop45: so use it Feb 27 04:24:04 that's how you learn Feb 27 04:24:08 i have ubuntu just to play around with Feb 27 04:24:24 tmzt: like what does it mean? Feb 27 04:25:01 i learned a lot back in july, i even helped webos some with finding files. with a linux OS hooked up to the pre, you can see everything much more easily Feb 27 04:25:13 Tibfib: hmm Feb 27 04:25:17 the learning thing Feb 27 04:25:47 Mercury: Yeah, i wish i could duel boot Feb 27 04:26:00 Mind explaining your question more? Feb 27 04:26:02 ah, I see Feb 27 04:26:08 it's something you said Feb 27 04:26:15 he was referring too Feb 27 04:26:16 can i put winmo on my pre? Feb 27 04:26:22 i don't really like webos Feb 27 04:26:24 yasasvitadavarth: sure Feb 27 04:26:27 why not Feb 27 04:26:36 how? Feb 27 04:26:37 maybe #xda-devs can help Feb 27 04:26:40 well not pre Feb 27 04:26:50 yasasvitadavarth: Just type rm -rf / in terminal Feb 27 04:26:51 port ce Feb 27 04:26:57 ok Feb 27 04:27:09 Mercury: you can also play around on one OS serverly and mess it up, when you have another one Feb 27 04:27:33 Palm uses a content delivery network. Once they've pushed the update, it's over to the CDN NOC to look after the rest. Feb 27 04:27:45 how long is my battery supposed to last? Feb 27 04:27:55 it goes down 1% per second Feb 27 04:28:16 tmzt haha! and alt-f4 on your computer to finalize winmo instalation Feb 27 04:28:18 80 seconds .. looks like you've got a good run! Feb 27 04:28:21 its on the charger more than off of it Feb 27 04:28:39 yasavit: so, youre pre last 100 seconds? Feb 27 04:28:43 yeah Feb 27 04:28:47 thats a stretch Feb 27 04:29:03 are you sure you have a pre, and not an iphone? Feb 27 04:29:18 well it looks like i could skip it across a pond Feb 27 04:29:23 so i think its a pre Feb 27 04:29:33 yeap, thats a pre alright Feb 27 04:29:34 yaas: you running Flash? Feb 27 04:29:37 no Feb 27 04:29:38 just once. Feb 27 04:29:45 BIGMOTOPEBL Feb 27 04:29:51 I'd like to see an original troll. Feb 27 04:29:59 imop45: Install virtualbox, just use VMs. It's easier. Feb 27 04:30:07 jacquez: don't we all Feb 27 04:30:23 anyone have any extra pre batteries? Feb 27 04:30:31 Mercury: i have an hp laptop.. i dont think it could run VM Feb 27 04:30:34 imop45: Now, I've been using Linux exclusively for around 14-15 years now. Feb 27 04:30:38 imop45: You can. Feb 27 04:31:10 It has 2 gigs of ram win 7/vista/ubuntu/fedora it could do it? its 4 years old Feb 27 04:31:20 2g? Feb 27 04:31:22 nice Feb 27 04:31:27 Ive optimized it though.. its not sluggish at all. Feb 27 04:31:33 my latest has 4 but before that little over 1 Feb 27 04:31:33 my pre is Feb 27 04:31:33 imop45: Maybe not running all 4 at once, but two? Not a problem at all. Feb 27 04:31:48 imop45: Go download sun virtualbox, it's free, it works. Feb 27 04:32:14 Hey, it beats my friend 4 gig quadcore in speed so. ive spent a lot of time optimizing windows Feb 27 04:32:23 * CardShark is a VMware snob. Feb 27 04:32:43 I always thought VM's use a lot of power.. ill download it now Feb 27 04:33:11 yasasvitadavarth: Anything else you want to complain about? ;) Feb 27 04:33:26 yeah Feb 27 04:33:31 CardShark: The sad thing is that I have a vmware workstation license that I'm not even using much because I like virtualbox. Feb 27 04:33:50 Mercury: same here Feb 27 04:33:51 tsk tsk tsk Feb 27 04:33:51 I like VMW better than virtualbox Feb 27 04:33:53 tmzt: 2 gb but it hauls Feb 27 04:34:05 Mercury: but for an old version which doesn't do usb2 Feb 27 04:34:08 VM costs though, doesnt it? Feb 27 04:34:11 Workstation's feature set is awesome. Feb 27 04:34:14 VM Server is free. Feb 27 04:34:16 But i have been using it for so long that I am used to it. Feb 27 04:34:16 The rest cost. Feb 27 04:34:18 both do Feb 27 04:34:19 * CardShark is a VCP. Feb 27 04:34:24 s/i/I/ Feb 27 04:34:24 Eguy meant: But I have been using it for so long that I am used to it. Feb 27 04:34:40 It's free if you steal it. Feb 27 04:34:45 No stealing. Feb 27 04:34:53 oh, thats how i got my Veyron Feb 27 04:34:56 I like KVM Feb 27 04:34:57 Where did you see server was free? Feb 27 04:34:59 rwhitby: Mine's one version back from current, where there are some, issues, with more recent kernels. The beta for the current version was fine, but I still find that I prefer virtualbox. Feb 27 04:35:05 VMware Server is free. Feb 27 04:35:19 VMware Workstation, vSphere, and the Mac version are $$ Feb 27 04:35:22 imop45: Sun Virtualbox is free, VMWare Server is free but useless for what you want, VMWare Workstation is not free. Feb 27 04:35:28 nice Feb 27 04:35:31 Ah you are right Feb 27 04:35:37 Useless? Feb 27 04:35:37 so how long does u guys pre battery last? Feb 27 04:35:39 Mercury: What Linux distro are you using Feb 27 04:35:54 24 years Feb 27 04:35:57 imop45: Ubuntu on all but my home desktop, that's Debian sid, I'd suggest sticking to Ubuntu. Feb 27 04:35:58 im downloading virtualbox as we speak Feb 27 04:36:09 Ubuntu 9.10 is great Feb 27 04:36:18 my battery goes down to about 70% during the day, then i pop it onto the touchstone when i get home Feb 27 04:36:20 I've been playing w/ 9.10 lately too. Feb 27 04:36:22 CardShark: Yeah, it's great for many things, but not desktop usage. Feb 27 04:36:33 Mercury: Agreed. Feb 27 04:36:52 is it normal for me to have to charge my pre 4-6 times per day? Feb 27 04:36:53 Best for netbooks Feb 27 04:36:55 CardShark: His use is for the desktop, so, yeah, kinda useless for him. :) Feb 27 04:37:03 palmpreisgarbage: absolutely Feb 27 04:37:14 good Feb 27 04:37:14 You should have to charge it 20 times. Feb 27 04:37:16 just making sure Feb 27 04:37:17 I did an OTA update for ubuntu, and i dont believe it installed correctly.. Feb 27 04:37:30 palmpreisgarbage: actually you should charge it once per hour .. so you're a little off Feb 27 04:37:46 palmpreisgarbage: Yeah, you must have a faulty one. Feb 27 04:37:48 Useless? Not at all. Virtualizes just like the rest of 'em. Less robust for a single-user desktop experience? yes. But never useless. =) Feb 27 04:37:50 yes, from 8.?? to 9.10.. 9.10 isnt working as well as id like Feb 27 04:37:56 Battery sounds bad Feb 27 04:38:00 imop45: I'm not feeling up to doing ubuntu tech support right this minute, and you can't afford what I'd charge to do it anyhow. Feb 27 04:38:07 yeah if im using internet, the battery runs out before the webpage loads Feb 27 04:38:20 palmpreisgarbage: ah, perfect .. that's working just right then Feb 27 04:38:23 At least you can get the browser open. Feb 27 04:38:27 Mercury: oh, i know how to fix it, tooo lazy to do it though. Feb 27 04:38:43 Wasnt asking for help ltm Feb 27 04:38:44 yeah, startup kinda drains the battery Feb 27 04:38:49 imop45: Except for between LTS releases, you need to upgrade one release at a time, so 8.04, to 8.10, to 9.04, to 9.10. Not 8.* to 9.10 directly. :) Feb 27 04:38:52 sudo apt-get install fix_my_ubuntu Feb 27 04:38:54 As it should Feb 27 04:39:36 imop45: just dpkg --configure -a ; apt-get dist-upgrade or some combination of the two Feb 27 04:39:52 i think the proximity sensor senses when it's in your pocket, so it can draw more current and transmit full power directly into your leg Feb 27 04:40:00 you have intel graphics? Feb 27 04:40:01 i was at the latest i believe. im an update fiend :) Ive played around with many distros.. my fav was.. open... Feb 27 04:40:09 sudo apt-get install webos-1_4 Feb 27 04:40:13 crap what was it called.. Feb 27 04:40:24 sudo: webos-1_4 not found Feb 27 04:40:35 you're sudo is broken Feb 27 04:40:38 haha eg: Feb 27 04:40:42 You broke de sudo. Feb 27 04:40:49 my pre is broken Feb 27 04:40:50 tmzt: it installed and everything, just when i power off it hangs up Feb 27 04:41:01 Define broken? Feb 27 04:41:19 From what you've said it sounds to be just right Feb 27 04:41:23 i slid the screen up and it kinda just flew off into the street Feb 27 04:41:28 and a car ran over it Feb 27 04:41:30 That's normal. Feb 27 04:41:39 Eguy: Even the car? Feb 27 04:41:50 Nah, that is just bad luck. Feb 27 04:41:55 Palm Pre -jectile Feb 27 04:41:59 Was it a yellow taxi? Feb 27 04:42:01 yeah, i find the battery works better after the screens been removed Feb 27 04:42:10 * Mercury is still trying to figure out how 'normal' the buzzing sound while on the touchstone is. Feb 27 04:42:18 less stuck on pixels too Feb 27 04:42:24 Mine doesn't buzz... Feb 27 04:42:35 its gonna asplode Feb 27 04:42:40 never heard buzzing on mine either Feb 27 04:42:53 Mercury: RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN Feb 27 04:43:01 -boom- Feb 27 04:43:05 openSUSE was my fav, but couldnt get my wireless card to work Feb 27 04:43:05 Hmm, I'll have to borrow a touchstone back next week, see if it follows the back or the phone. Feb 27 04:43:39 Mine doesn't buzz. Feb 27 04:43:45 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/232741-why-vietnam-got-1-4-first-isnt-palm-us-company.html LOL Feb 27 04:43:54 is the touchstone worth it, homestly? Feb 27 04:44:01 will superglue work to put the screen back on? Feb 27 04:44:06 or ductape? Feb 27 04:44:07 imop45: It's not worth $80, it's worth $30. Feb 27 04:44:08 I have 3 imop45. Feb 27 04:44:20 I love my touchstone. Feb 27 04:44:23 bestbuy has it for 59 Feb 27 04:44:44 palmpreisgarbage: wood glue Feb 27 04:44:52 maybe with palm's stock ratings, theyll drop the price Feb 27 04:44:57 don't you mean pebble glue? Feb 27 04:45:12 Not quite. Wood glue. Feb 27 04:45:13 palmpreisgarbage: You need to weld it on. Feb 27 04:45:18 palmpre: some gum will work best Feb 27 04:46:08 will the calories from the gum increase my battery life? Feb 27 04:46:11 imop45: buy.com has it for $39 plus shipping. Feb 27 04:46:15 palmpreisgarbage: some paperclips and rubberbands will keep the slider working like new Feb 27 04:46:34 oo, thats more like it. except shipping Feb 27 04:46:40 Wrong kind of calories Feb 27 04:46:53 imop45: I got mine for less, trying to dig it up. Feb 27 04:46:56 you need joules, not calories Feb 27 04:47:06 well they'ree both energy Feb 27 04:47:07 so Feb 27 04:47:07 imop45: dell had it for $30 a few weeks ago Feb 27 04:47:08 im thinking of asking for one for free, this is my 8th pre ive had to request for fixing Feb 27 04:47:30 palm pre = garbage Feb 27 04:47:34 imop45: Geez, what's been going wrong? Feb 27 04:47:45 palmpreisgarbage: Did you buy the mouse wheel accessory? Feb 27 04:47:47 i need to return my pre every time the battery runs out Feb 27 04:48:06 which is multiple times per day Feb 27 04:48:30 I live in a Sprint store, to save walking in and out for replacement. Feb 27 04:48:51 Haha Feb 27 04:48:55 I bought out all the supply so I have instant access to replacements. Feb 27 04:49:02 is the rent expensive? Feb 27 04:49:10 palmpreisgarbage: yeah, but the coverage is good. Feb 27 04:49:12 im thinking of moving in Feb 27 04:49:25 Well played rwhitby. Feb 27 04:49:27 I thought it was just one exchange in the first 30 days and you're done? Feb 27 04:49:35 no Feb 27 04:49:35 well, back on launch day my 1st phone wouldnt activate. 2nd phone 2 weeks later had a short, batt drained in 3 hrs. 4th had the batt connection issue that when you slid it open/close it would cut off. 5th i broke, 3 months later paid palm to fix it. Feb 27 04:49:44 in 30 days you need about 45 exchanges Feb 27 04:49:51 I was in a Sprint store that had bad coverage once, it was funny. Feb 27 04:50:00 palmpreisgarbage: Your math doesn Feb 27 04:50:05 doesn't add up Feb 27 04:50:12 interesting, getting signed out of a profile deletes all your homebrew apps Feb 27 04:50:12 why not? Feb 27 04:50:22 palmpreisgarbage: Palm only made 44 Pres. Feb 27 04:50:34 so he's running out of them Feb 27 04:50:55 rwhitby: removes them from the /opt or /usr/local ? Feb 27 04:50:58 i have 40 of them Feb 27 04:51:14 tmzt: removes them from /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications Feb 27 04:51:16 and their combined batteries still drain everyday Feb 27 04:51:34 has anyone gotten 1.4 yet? Feb 27 04:51:37 hmm Feb 27 04:51:39 It's impressive Feb 27 04:51:49 5th phone they fixed, but didnt do QC, and screen was white on the bottom. 6th Advanced exchange phone had 4 dead pixel. 7th phone (my current one) screen messes up when its pugged in. Feb 27 04:51:54 You should be proud of yourself. Feb 27 04:52:00 jtrucks: 48 people have accessed ipkg.preware.org for patches using 1.4 Feb 27 04:52:10 so, im on my 7th phone, but 8th fix. Feb 27 04:52:11 oooh Feb 27 04:52:15 All of them being palmpreisgarbage. Feb 27 04:52:25 jtrucks: but that's in the last 24 hours Feb 27 04:52:27 hahaha Feb 27 04:52:31 rwhitby: how many are in the USA? Feb 27 04:52:47 48 unique, yes? Feb 27 04:53:00 gollyzila: see @webosinternals on twitter Feb 27 04:53:02 Mercury: so thats my story.. i havent called palm about the screen.charging issue yet though... Feb 27 04:53:14 CardShark: 48 unique IPs, dunno if they are unique people Feb 27 04:53:26 I've had no hardware issues with my pre. Feb 27 04:53:35 Same here Feb 27 04:53:37 ive had so many.. :( Feb 27 04:53:47 i've had over 9000 Feb 27 04:53:59 literally Feb 27 04:54:00 And on that last one, i had to argue for an advanced exchange... Feb 27 04:54:08 Where does he come up with this stuff? Feb 27 04:54:11 which is the number of times i charge my pre per day Feb 27 04:54:25 imop45: the policy is to always send you a refurb replacement phone Feb 27 04:54:33 my charger door fell off Feb 27 04:54:46 castle': same here, bugs the crap out of me Feb 27 04:54:51 they dont check their phones though b4 sending them out Feb 27 04:54:58 palmpreisgarbage: how many AUPT patches are broken for you? Feb 27 04:55:02 palm gave me new one but there is a piece missing that anchors the door Feb 27 04:55:12 I would LOVE my charging door to fall off Feb 27 04:55:20 I hate that thing Feb 27 04:55:24 i dont care if its refurb or not, i just want one that WORKS Feb 27 04:55:31 imop45: ya it's usually just a swap of all the shell plastics and a wipe with an old ver of webos, that's it Feb 27 04:55:44 palmpreisgarbage: and how big is the file in your /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/lists which is causing you the out of cards memory message every 30 seconds? Feb 27 04:55:45 palm pres are designed not to work Feb 27 04:55:46 it looks fugly wo the door Feb 27 04:56:00 palmpreisgarbage: and how many times has Preware caused your app catalog installs to fail? Feb 27 04:56:07 imop45: how do you get a new phone? sprint store or did you complain to customer care? Feb 27 04:56:14 Palm Feb 27 04:56:19 1.4 is out! Feb 27 04:56:21 palmpreisgarbage: and did mytether give you the 1.3.5 update message again today? Feb 27 04:56:23 numerous times Feb 27 04:56:27 everyday actually Feb 27 04:56:35 My 5th pre i broke, and had to pay palm to fix it Feb 27 04:56:58 i skipped my pre across a pond, most useful thing i ever did with it Feb 27 04:57:06 Eguy: u lie Feb 27 04:57:06 rwhitby: Are you typing that with a straight face? Feb 27 04:57:13 imop45: It is! Feb 27 04:57:19 In Vietnam. Feb 27 04:57:19 palmpreisgarbage: you haven't mentioned your USB door cracks yet, nor the cracks near the button Feb 27 04:57:24 i have a palm pre, my life is void of happiness Feb 27 04:57:26 not for a white boy like me Feb 27 04:57:34 yes i have a straight face Feb 27 04:57:56 yeah Eguy: not for me, not yet Feb 27 04:58:12 2 hours left Feb 27 04:58:12 the doorcracks are the least of my problems Feb 27 04:58:20 im too white and my eyes are too circle like for 1.4 Feb 27 04:58:21 palmpreisgarbage: as it should. what is life if you are having fun? Feb 27 04:58:22 s/2/3/ Feb 27 04:58:22 Eguy meant: 3 hours left Feb 27 04:58:40 if 2 hours is referring to my battery, then u r sadly mistaken, its only about 30 seconds Feb 27 04:58:47 Look everyone!! Feb 27 04:58:49 ~botsmack Feb 27 04:58:51 OWW! Feb 27 04:58:52 30 seconds is much too long. Feb 27 04:58:53 i thought it was 100 secs Feb 27 04:58:53 I thought it was 100 seconds. Feb 27 04:59:01 hahaha Feb 27 04:59:04 ditto Feb 27 04:59:05 my battery life decreases by the minute Feb 27 04:59:07 ~~~~ Feb 27 04:59:08 ARGH!!! STOP IT tibfib!!! Feb 27 04:59:13 LOL Feb 27 04:59:16 ~wikipedia douche Feb 27 04:59:21 hmm - looks like org.webosinternals.saverestore is going to need to get some love if profile resets wipe cryptofs Feb 27 04:59:21 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douche (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{pp-semi-vandalism|small=yes}} A 'douche' is a device used to introduce a stream of water into the body for medical or hygienic reasons, or the stream of water itself. Douche usually refers to 'vaginal irrigation', the rinsing of the vagina, but it can also refer to the rinsing of any body cavity. A 'douche bag' is a piece of equipment for douching—a bag for holding the fluid used in .. Feb 27 04:59:33 Hahahaha Feb 27 04:59:41 hahahaha Feb 27 04:59:47 Robi_: by palm the 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th time Feb 27 04:59:52 ~wikipedia palm webos Feb 27 04:59:57 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_WebOS (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{for|the metacomputing term|Web operating system}} {{For|the company formerly known as WebOS|Hyperoffice}} {{Infobox OS | name = Palm webOS | logo = | screenshot = | caption = Palm webOS Home Screen on the Palm Pre | developer = Palm, Inc. | license = Palm EULA, some open source components{{cite web ... Feb 27 05:00:08 Robi_: think i qualify for a new TS Feb 27 05:00:28 ~what's up Feb 27 05:00:29 Up is the direction away from the central point of gravity. Feb 27 05:00:33 Where can we find other tricks infobot can do? Feb 27 05:00:43 too white and eyes too circle like lmao Feb 27 05:00:43 Ask Tim. Feb 27 05:00:50 imop45: customer care should be able to help. i had a bad repalcement phone sent out, gave them a stern talking and they sent a better one out Feb 27 05:00:51 ~hi Feb 27 05:00:52 hello, tibfib Feb 27 05:00:57 ~how are you? Feb 27 05:00:57 Tibfib: just great Feb 27 05:01:01 ~where's 1.4 Feb 27 05:01:07 ~Having a good weekend? Feb 27 05:01:10 ~15/5 Feb 27 05:01:11 3 Feb 27 05:01:30 ~gender Feb 27 05:01:31 I'm pregnant Feb 27 05:01:32 ~meaning of life Feb 27 05:01:33 [meaning of life] 42 Feb 27 05:01:35 this might be why carriers use the insurance for a lot of this replacement stuff Feb 27 05:01:37 ~leave Feb 27 05:01:37 YES!! Feb 27 05:01:38 methinks leave is what lazarus should do now Feb 27 05:01:46 I don't get why Palm is doing so much of this Feb 27 05:01:48 ~pre Feb 27 05:01:49 pre is probably the crappy phone from palm Feb 27 05:01:55 hahahahaaha Feb 27 05:01:55 yeah Feb 27 05:02:02 Robi_: i'm getting pretty flustered... they called me back also to get the serial # cause he forgot to write it down. the serial # of the phone they just sent me Feb 27 05:02:05 ~steve jobs Feb 27 05:02:06 methinks steve jobs is a complete and utter loser. apple lovers should die. a rabid cock sucker Feb 27 05:02:15 nic Feb 27 05:02:16 ~palm Feb 27 05:02:17 palm 1z 0wned by d4 ip4q (ph33r) Feb 27 05:02:18 s/nic/nice Feb 27 05:02:19 i agree infobot Feb 27 05:02:23 Now who did that???? Feb 27 05:02:25 ~sin 0 Feb 27 05:02:29 awww Feb 27 05:02:54 Info bot doesn't know trig? Feb 27 05:03:02 Nah Feb 27 05:03:05 ~cos 45 Feb 27 05:03:05 s/nic/nice/ Feb 27 05:03:12 ~windows mobile Feb 27 05:03:13 * infobot installs Windows ME on mobile's PC. Feb 27 05:03:21 ~iphone Feb 27 05:03:22 from memory, iphone is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgZKjJt-TkU, or a useless fanfruit device thats only existence is a mistake, or kind of ghey. Windows Mobile, WebOS, and Android are all better. Feb 27 05:03:25 ~american idol Feb 27 05:03:37 ~steve ballmer Feb 27 05:03:38 rumour has it, steve ballmer is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk, or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc&feature=related Feb 27 05:03:39 ~~~ Feb 27 05:03:46 ~infobot Feb 27 05:03:48 * rwhitby uses EPI for the first time Feb 27 05:03:48 rumour has it, infobot is The coolest Feb 27 05:03:54 ~homer simpson Feb 27 05:03:55 * infobot tips back her head and (drooling) moans "Hhhmmmmm, simpson" Feb 27 05:04:04 Coooool Feb 27 05:04:09 Which one is EPI Feb 27 05:04:11 ~donuts Feb 27 05:04:26 ~:/ Feb 27 05:04:26 ~earth Feb 27 05:04:28 earth is, like, mostly harmless, or the 3rd rock from the sun Feb 27 05:04:35 mostly? Feb 27 05:04:38 What doess EPI do? Feb 27 05:04:44 ~transformers Feb 27 05:04:55 ~help Feb 27 05:05:06 ~mighty morphin power rangers Feb 27 05:05:27 ~upsidedown Feb 27 05:05:28 Awwwwww, infobot needs to learn some more awesomeness Feb 27 05:05:29 hmm - profile reset removes ipkg database too Feb 27 05:05:39 You guys broke infobot. Feb 27 05:05:53 ~wake up Feb 27 05:05:54 * infobot throws a barrel-full of ice water on up and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" Feb 27 05:05:56 *evil laugh* Feb 27 05:06:06 I didn't expect that Feb 27 05:06:08 ~ignore gollyzila Feb 27 05:06:09 * infobot sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, gollyzila!" Feb 27 05:06:30 It's a she! Feb 27 05:06:31 ~unlobotomy Feb 27 05:06:41 ~gender Feb 27 05:06:42 I'm female Feb 27 05:06:46 ~race Feb 27 05:06:46 oo... sexy Feb 27 05:06:46 i heard race is an overhead 3D car game for GNU/Linux and Windows, at http://race.sourceforge.net/ Feb 27 05:06:56 ~sexy Feb 27 05:06:57 "I'm bringing sexy back..." Feb 27 05:07:02 haha Feb 27 05:07:06 ~hello Feb 27 05:07:07 ~dance Feb 27 05:07:08 Howdy Bub Feb 27 05:07:09 <(*.*<) <(*.*)> \(*.*)/ (>*.*)> Feb 27 05:07:22 ~preferences Feb 27 05:07:36 ~webos-internals Feb 27 05:07:40 ~rm -rf Feb 27 05:07:42 -rf is an unperson Feb 27 05:07:50 trash > palm pre Feb 27 05:07:58 ~hater Feb 27 05:08:12 ~sudo -i Feb 27 05:08:24 palm pre > imop45 Feb 27 05:08:44 ~list of tricks Feb 27 05:08:44 I was wondering where you went, has your battery died? Feb 27 05:08:45 yeah im pretty much the pres bitch.. Feb 27 05:08:56 golly do ~help Feb 27 05:08:57 * rwhitby thinks meta-doctor needs an option to prevent cryptofs erasure, or we need to move homebrew under /media/internal/ Feb 27 05:09:02 multiple times by now Feb 27 05:09:09 ~help Feb 27 05:09:12 ~bitch Feb 27 05:09:14 somebody said bitch was a female dog . an iz a bad word if used wrongly . dont say dat ok Feb 27 05:09:23 ~ok Feb 27 05:09:25 fine Feb 27 05:09:25 hey infobot Feb 27 05:09:30 ~fine Feb 27 05:09:31 Alrighty then =) Feb 27 05:09:34 ~bitch Feb 27 05:09:36 extra, extra, read all about it, bitch is a female dog . an iz a bad word if used wrongly . dont say dat ok Feb 27 05:09:38 ~shh Feb 27 05:09:39 QUIET! Feb 27 05:09:44 ~bitch Feb 27 05:09:45 ~quiet Feb 27 05:09:46 i guess bitch is a female dog . an iz a bad word if used wrongly . dont say dat ok Feb 27 05:09:47 * infobot ok, ok, I will be quiet. When you start making sense, that is. Feb 27 05:09:55 ~sense Feb 27 05:09:56 Distributed Shared Memory system. URL: http://hjem.get2net.dk/dduck/sense.html Feb 27 05:09:58 dd if=/dev/electron_stream of=/dev/palmpreisgarbage/pre/battery bs=1000mA Feb 27 05:10:04 b i t c h Feb 27 05:10:06 ~infobot Feb 27 05:10:07 i guess infobot is The coolest Feb 27 05:10:13 ~coolest Feb 27 05:10:20 ~bitch Feb 27 05:10:21 methinks bitch is a female dog . an iz a bad word if used wrongly . dont say dat ok Feb 27 05:10:23 impop45's having too much fun Feb 27 05:10:24 It's turning into Precentral in here... Feb 27 05:10:33 not yet Feb 27 05:10:42 trolls doom n gloom Feb 27 05:10:44 ok now Feb 27 05:10:47 One can never go full precentral Feb 27 05:10:51 Im sorry. Feb 27 05:10:57 EPI is for after partial or full erase Feb 27 05:11:03 Unless all our sentences have 1.4 in them Feb 27 05:11:10 EPI reinstalls packages? Feb 27 05:11:11 i was enjoying it. Feb 27 05:11:20 ~wtf Feb 27 05:11:25 infobot was too Feb 27 05:11:32 prefab: You should change your nick to prefap. Feb 27 05:11:35 wtf: with the family Feb 27 05:11:41 lol Feb 27 05:11:44 i say you all give me your pre batteries so i can have extras to last my phone through the day Feb 27 05:11:53 gollyzilla you can talk to her directly when you do ~help Feb 27 05:12:04 ~gender Feb 27 05:12:04 ~help Feb 27 05:12:05 I'm hermaphroditic Feb 27 05:12:07 Cool Feb 27 05:12:08 ~help Feb 27 05:12:11 egaudet-wirc: I thought EPI would take my /media/internal/.webosinternals.patches.packages file and reinstall them Feb 27 05:12:46 commend ~help opens a seperate chat with her Feb 27 05:12:47 ~wtf Feb 27 05:13:18 rwhitby: does EPR deletemedia/internal/.webosinternals.patches.packages? Feb 27 05:13:57 imop45: UTSL Feb 27 05:14:29 ~utsl Feb 27 05:14:30 hmm... utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). Real Men don't write documentation; if it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. Feb 27 05:14:31 ~karma Feb 27 05:14:32 gollyzila has neutral karma Feb 27 05:14:43 use the source luke? Feb 27 05:14:51 ~karma Feb 27 05:14:52 imop45 has neutral karma Feb 27 05:15:15 ~you suck Feb 27 05:15:16 and very well I might add Feb 27 05:15:21 awesome Feb 27 05:15:23 rofl Feb 27 05:15:25 ~awesome Feb 27 05:15:27 well, awesome is a synonym of cheese. Feb 27 05:15:28 ~karma Feb 27 05:15:29 tibfib has neutral karma Feb 27 05:15:36 rwhitby: no it will reinstall based on what is in /var/usr/lib/.weobosinternals.patches/ Feb 27 05:15:58 ~Precentral is hectic Feb 27 05:15:59 gollyzila: okay Feb 27 05:16:00 hmm, my name is luke Feb 27 05:16:03 funny Feb 27 05:16:07 ~wtf is with the family Feb 27 05:16:09 usage: wtf . Feb 27 05:16:11 egaudet-wirc: looks like /var/usr/lib got deleted too Feb 27 05:16:15 awww Feb 27 05:16:19 ~what is precentral? Feb 27 05:16:21 extra, extra, read all about it, precentral is hectic Feb 27 05:16:49 /var/usr/lib/.webosinternals.patches/ Feb 27 05:16:56 ~palmpreisgarbage is a pre user with good battery usage Feb 27 05:16:57 is gonE? Feb 27 05:16:57 Tibfib: okay Feb 27 05:17:36 What the hell happened in short track tonight Feb 27 05:17:42 ~pop tarts Feb 27 05:17:45 ibot offers tarts a thin mint. Feb 27 05:17:53 ROFLMAO Feb 27 05:18:02 They're wafer thin! Feb 27 05:18:10 ~Mighty morphin power rangers Feb 27 05:18:12 mighty morphin power rangers are awesome to the infinite power Feb 27 05:20:10 ~existence Feb 27 05:20:18 looks like they are gonna miss the rumor Feb 27 05:20:54 Cryptk: Palm? Feb 27 05:21:04 ~exist Feb 27 05:21:22 What rumor? Feb 27 05:22:27 egaudet-wirc: a profile reset blows away /var and /media/cryptofs competely. gone. kaput. Feb 27 05:22:35 the rumor that 1.4 is being released today Feb 27 05:22:48 ~1.4 Feb 27 05:22:49 1.4 is probably coming tonight!!! Feb 27 05:22:55 lol Feb 27 05:22:56 the rumour is true for at least 48 people Feb 27 05:23:08 12am PST Feb 27 05:23:14 48 nams? Feb 27 05:23:27 But would Palm do that, only give it to 48 people and that's it for the night? Feb 27 05:23:28 The lucky 48. They shall crash on an island with big magnets. Feb 27 05:24:31 * CardShark just wants his POP eMail to sync again... Feb 27 05:24:50 My gmail doesn't work anymore Feb 27 05:25:04 Why isn't my orange button working like Tab anymore? In WIRC Feb 27 05:25:12 what's wrong w ur gmail Feb 27 05:25:25 Doesn't push Feb 27 05:25:30 gollyzila: works for me Feb 27 05:25:33 Nevermind Feb 27 05:25:34 gollyzila, it's gesture+orange Feb 27 05:25:41 on wifi Feb 27 05:25:57 the 48 are those who have used it to access 1.4 patches. multiple that by at least 100 for real number of people with 1.4 Feb 27 05:26:04 works for me on wifi Feb 27 05:26:30 OK, then 100 planes will crash on a giant magnet island. Feb 27 05:26:45 CardShark: haha Feb 27 05:27:01 w smoke monsters n polar bears Feb 27 05:27:02 yes, and 100 sitcoms will come running out Feb 27 05:27:19 But so many people keep pushing the (Refresh) button Feb 27 05:27:52 9:25pm T-2 hours Feb 27 05:28:19 1.4 is more fun as a myth Feb 27 05:28:49 I am having fun refreshing tiwtter w all the ppl writing about how mad they are Feb 27 05:28:51 palmpreisgarbage's battery must have run out ... Feb 27 05:29:02 lol Feb 27 05:29:29 At least 10 times rwhitby. Feb 27 05:29:30 well he was at 100 minutes Feb 27 05:30:02 castle`: forums.precentral.net/palm-pre Feb 27 05:30:39 Look at all the closed threads LOL Feb 27 05:30:42 Poor mods Feb 27 05:30:57 Eguy: i'm there too, refreshing :) Feb 27 05:32:17 ~precentral Feb 27 05:32:18 methinks precentral is hectic Feb 27 05:32:39 seems like most pres users are 14 year old boys? Feb 27 05:32:53 Seems like? Feb 27 05:33:19 eguy IS a 14 year old boy Feb 27 05:33:29 13. get it RIGHT. Feb 27 05:33:47 wish @webos-internals on twitter would announce 1.4 being out Feb 27 05:33:53 ppl would go crazy Feb 27 05:34:00 jovanny27 needs to be banned. Feb 27 05:36:19 castle`: I have announced 1.4 as out. 48 people have it. Feb 27 05:36:40 tru Feb 27 05:36:57 ~Eguy Feb 27 05:37:20 What? Feb 27 05:37:27 and eguy is going to hunt down and murder every single one of them Feb 27 05:37:43 Nah, just you oil Feb 27 05:37:48 i dont have 1.4 Feb 27 05:37:53 eguy: 13 huh Feb 27 05:37:53 I got my ticket to Washington booked Feb 27 05:38:10 better whatch out for priests Feb 27 05:38:11 That was a joke imop45. Feb 27 05:38:24 now the jackson is gone Feb 27 05:38:46 so the center button on my pre is losing its coating Feb 27 05:38:49 MJ liked < 10 Feb 27 05:38:55 probably from me picking at it Feb 27 05:39:05 Why would you pick at that? Feb 27 05:39:17 with my tumbnail Feb 27 05:39:18 idk Feb 27 05:39:27 my friend dropped his phone and scratched his center button Feb 27 05:39:31 it's speckled Feb 27 05:39:41 mine is like a half moon Feb 27 05:39:49 haha sweet Feb 27 05:39:58 I like the center button Feb 27 05:39:59 im thinking about picking the rest off Feb 27 05:40:01 just make it white Feb 27 05:40:08 ive got a buddy rough on phones Feb 27 05:40:12 the light behind it is brighter without hte cover stuff Feb 27 05:40:13 his center button and earpiece line Feb 27 05:40:15 were white from like day 3 Feb 27 05:40:18 does pre+ have led notifications? Feb 27 05:40:28 they all do Feb 27 05:40:30 via patchj Feb 27 05:40:44 I mean... what it look like Feb 27 05:40:51 wo center button Feb 27 05:40:51 its just a center line Feb 27 05:41:00 like the pixi Feb 27 05:41:00 there a light under gesture area? Feb 27 05:41:00 its said he dies.. Feb 27 05:41:01 o Feb 27 05:41:13 Come on Slovakia Feb 27 05:41:14 sad* Feb 27 05:41:50 Canada vs USA Feb 27 05:42:00 what do u mean light? Feb 27 05:42:25 ~you suck Feb 27 05:42:27 and very well I might add Feb 27 05:42:27 someone from uk is downloading 1.4 Feb 27 05:42:33 lol Feb 27 05:42:41 I thought uk already had it Feb 27 05:43:48 bluenote: how are you seeing this info Feb 27 05:44:03 hax Feb 27 05:44:06 on precentral Feb 27 05:44:11 lol Feb 27 05:44:25 There is something other than trolls on precentral? Feb 27 05:44:26 You should pull the ipk's and post them so we can download them Feb 27 05:44:49 heh Feb 27 05:44:53 Eguy, yes, i've posted there a few times Feb 27 05:44:54 Eguy, theres a bunch of its there Feb 27 05:44:55 and im no troll Feb 27 05:45:13 +oil, oh yeah, you are Feb 27 05:45:19 Oil: You make your argument invalid. Feb 27 05:45:19 what? psh Feb 27 05:45:26 nope, not listening, you are Feb 27 05:45:35 ~ignore +oil Feb 27 05:45:36 * infobot sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, +oil!" Feb 27 05:45:49 ~oil Feb 27 05:45:49 well, oil is a viscous flammable substance that PuffTheMagic uses to heat his home. Feb 27 05:45:53 lol Feb 27 05:45:58 ltm Feb 27 05:46:02 thats awesome Feb 27 05:46:04 lmao Feb 27 05:46:17 up til 1am, didn't get drink, laid, or webos 1.4, what a waste haha Feb 27 05:46:21 ~PuffTheMagic Feb 27 05:46:23 it has been said that puffthemagic is a dragon, or by the river, or out of puff, or the terminus ENFORCER.. RAAAGGE Feb 27 05:46:30 lol Feb 27 05:46:35 most accurate one yet Feb 27 05:46:46 ha Feb 27 05:46:51 how do you add sayings? Feb 27 05:47:00 By asking politely Feb 27 05:47:02 ~Tibfib is quite cool Feb 27 05:47:02 okay, Tibfib Feb 27 05:47:09 ~Tibfib Feb 27 05:47:10 from memory, tibfib is quite cool Feb 27 05:47:13 :) Feb 27 05:47:27 moar inaccurate one yet Feb 27 05:47:34 moar? Feb 27 05:47:38 most* Feb 27 05:47:47 ~imop45 likes to use the pickup line found in Ecc. 4:11 Feb 27 05:47:48 rawr Feb 27 05:47:57 ooh, ouch coming from the flammable guy Feb 27 05:47:57 ~fail Feb 27 05:47:59 extra, extra, read all about it, fail is YOU FAIL. Feb 27 05:48:15 e.4 forever :) vaporware Feb 27 05:48:18 ~imop45 Feb 27 05:48:21 1.4* Feb 27 05:48:42 Sprint is releasing 1.5 instead Feb 27 05:49:05 i thought that was next week Feb 27 05:49:05 lol Feb 27 05:49:13 Next year Feb 27 05:49:16 eh, just skip ahead a few years to 3.4 Feb 27 05:49:20 i think they are working on 2.0, and just stuck figuring out how to do levitation Feb 27 05:49:25 heard a rumor 1.5 is out before march Feb 27 05:49:30 3.4 was cancelled Feb 27 05:49:35 send it to precentral Feb 27 05:49:41 Too high of a number Feb 27 05:49:42 Meh, I'm betting on 1.4.1 next week instead of 1.4 today, but. :) Feb 27 05:49:44 1.5 is out on the 29th Feb 27 05:49:59 1.5 tomorrow and 1.4 sunday? Feb 27 05:50:02 1.5 is releasing with duke forever. Feb 27 05:50:02 sprint rep told me so it's true Feb 27 05:50:19 Sprint rep told me that the C40 will be out the 29th. Feb 27 05:50:40 ~imop45 is using the pickup line found in Ecc. 4:11 Feb 27 05:50:41 imop45: okay Feb 27 05:50:46 sprint rep told me he tells people lies Feb 27 05:50:48 ~imop45 Feb 27 05:50:49 you are, like, using the pickup line found in Ecc. 4:11 Feb 27 05:53:06 ~Ecc 4:11 is "Moreover, if two lie down together, they also will certainly get warm" Feb 27 05:53:08 imop45: okay Feb 27 05:53:18 ~ecc 4:11 Feb 27 05:53:19 i heard ecc 4:11 is "Moreover, if two lie down together, they also will certainly get warm" Feb 27 05:53:32 This is the beginning of the end. Feb 27 05:53:32 ~bible Feb 27 05:53:33 somebody said bible was http://wowprogramming.com Feb 27 05:53:39 yeah Feb 27 05:53:46 just pm infobot Feb 27 05:53:51 dont fill webos-internals Feb 27 05:53:56 You see it oil? Feb 27 05:53:59 ok, im sorry Feb 27 05:54:00 yes Feb 27 05:54:00 ecc 4:11 it's a cold one Feb 27 05:54:10 rwhitby, is going to show up and tell everyone to go to -watercooler Feb 27 05:54:23 ive used that one b4.. Feb 27 05:54:28 Nobody uses that crap Feb 27 05:54:42 "Oh, so you are cold? Ecc 4:11" Feb 27 05:54:43 are sprint pre 1.4 available yet? in US? Feb 27 05:54:48 no Feb 27 05:55:07 yes Feb 27 05:55:10 nope, looks like they are gonna miss the latest rumor Feb 27 05:55:17 is it out on Verizon? Feb 27 05:55:20 You can get 1.5 if you pay $19.95 right now. Feb 27 05:55:29 Only within the next 10 minutes Feb 27 05:55:31 lol Feb 27 05:55:36 paypal Feb 27 05:56:12 someone set an auto +q for the phrase 1.4 please Feb 27 05:56:15 Call 1-800-IRTROLL Feb 27 05:56:39 Eguy: "donate" $19.95 Feb 27 05:56:58 feed up for waiting Feb 27 05:57:04 what's special about this? Feb 27 05:57:06 games? Feb 27 05:57:12 What about a 47.62 donation to my tether? Feb 27 05:57:15 feed is up Feb 27 05:57:36 it seems, especially with the "sprint" website photograph, that theyre just pulling precentrals leg.. Feb 27 05:57:50 http://rumorcentral.net Feb 27 05:57:58 rwhitby: seems you are awake for the party after all... except there is no party, lol Feb 27 05:58:05 The pre doesn't even exist. Feb 27 05:58:13 We have all been using an iPhone. Feb 27 05:58:27 in that case, the iPhone touchstone is awesome Feb 27 05:58:29 in sheep's skin Feb 27 05:58:39 and this world is actually the 7th itteration of the matrix Feb 27 05:59:09 imop45: only 7th? i thought we were on the 9th by now Feb 27 05:59:11 whereby, visa-vi Feb 27 05:59:20 cryptk: it's 4:30pm here Feb 27 05:59:35 30? Feb 27 05:59:50 yep. Feb 27 05:59:54 imop45: You need to reach the source and save palm. Feb 27 05:59:54 ah, but the 7th has become the 9th, and the 9th has become the 7th. Also, version nine is just a rumor Feb 27 05:59:58 * rwhitby teaches Eguy about timezones - check Chatham Islands Feb 27 06:00:10 ~timezones Feb 27 06:00:11 oil: It's always noon somewhere! Feb 27 06:00:29 It's anti-noon on the east coast Feb 27 06:00:36 Eguy: I'd better not tell you about GMT+13:45 or your head might explode Feb 27 06:00:44 Mind = blown. Feb 27 06:00:56 rwhitby lives in the future Feb 27 06:01:01 they're already got 1.4 there Feb 27 06:01:11 1.4 doesn't exist Feb 27 06:01:23 It's a product of your imagination Feb 27 06:01:28 Eguy: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=63 Feb 27 06:01:29 rwhitby: are you in chatham islands? google says its new zealand, arent you australia? Feb 27 06:01:32 ~imop45 Feb 27 06:01:34 somebody said imop45 was using the pickup line found in Ecc. 4:11, or neo, and is trying to reach the palm architech and save the palm matrix Feb 27 06:01:51 gkatsev: Chatham Islands is the canonical example of how little most people know about timezones. Feb 27 06:02:15 really all it shows is that new zealanders are crazy Feb 27 06:02:17 rwhitby: ah, right. where are you located? eastern/western? Feb 27 06:02:23 I was just teasing you rwhitby Feb 27 06:02:27 gkatsev: GMT+10:30 Feb 27 06:02:41 It's 10:00 here Feb 27 06:02:43 gkatsev: central Feb 27 06:02:51 eh, we americans are the example of how most americans doont know what an atlas is. or that theres another half of the world Feb 27 06:03:11 its 12 here in the middle of america cst Feb 27 06:03:12 wait, other half? Feb 27 06:03:16 So rwhitby is only 30 minutes in the future. Feb 27 06:03:32 imop45: Are you from Texas? Feb 27 06:03:50 +oil: yes, theres more places than just americah Feb 27 06:04:17 * oil was joking Feb 27 06:04:23 Eguy: OKlahoma. And yes, we have elevtricty.. albiet its horse drawn electricity Feb 27 06:04:33 That explains a lot Feb 27 06:04:39 imop45, where about? Feb 27 06:04:40 airplane mode modifies /var/palm/data/telephone.properties Feb 27 06:04:55 is there lots of wind flowing down plains there? Feb 27 06:05:00 ip addy looks like tulsa Feb 27 06:05:06 for localtimes, i like localti.me Feb 27 06:05:12 easy to remember Feb 27 06:05:21 Oh what a night Feb 27 06:05:25 rwhitby: ooh, 29C, nice Feb 27 06:05:38 its cold here in boston Feb 27 06:05:41 Oklahoma city. and yes, it never. ever. ever. stop blowing wind... well, right b4 a tornado it gets calm. Feb 27 06:05:47 I'm still wondering how the Pre plus user got 1.4 Feb 27 06:05:48 it rained so hard yesterday Feb 27 06:05:59 gkatsev: localti.me doesn't know about chatham islands it seems. fail. Feb 27 06:06:01 If it doesn't exist Feb 27 06:06:26 gkatsev: what a surprise, it's run by an american company ;-) Feb 27 06:06:27 You have to yell and stand close to someone for them to hear u if your ouside Feb 27 06:06:41 68.12.219.251 Feb 27 06:06:54 gkatsev: localti.me is great, thanks Feb 27 06:07:08 rwhitby: yeah, its weird. it knows about adelaide, australia though, lol Feb 27 06:07:16 Eguy: yeah, easy to remember as well Feb 27 06:07:25 It says I am in Bacon, Australia Feb 27 06:07:36 but google has it built in now. search google for " local time" Feb 27 06:07:41 mmm.. bacon... *guurrrurggle* Feb 27 06:07:55 70% change of snow today, meh Feb 27 06:08:15 FuMan: oklahoma city Feb 27 06:08:23 high chance of rain today :( Feb 27 06:08:39 hrm Feb 27 06:08:43 rwhitby: can you put me up for a week or two till the weather here in boston becomes better? Feb 27 06:08:48 lets see what this starcraft beta has to offer O_O Feb 27 06:08:51 aight gtg ttyl pce Feb 27 06:09:00 strange its showing im in tulsa... Feb 27 06:10:15 FuMan: http://whatismyipaddress.com/ shows what street im on. scary Feb 27 06:10:43 You live on a street? Feb 27 06:11:12 ... Feb 27 06:11:14 imop45: it got me at around 2 miles away Feb 27 06:11:36 i...live...on a street..yes... Feb 27 06:11:40 ~ssh Feb 27 06:11:41 ssh is probably http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/OpenSSH and http://www.openssh.org or see ssh-keygen, or see ssh-agent, or a way of telling someone to be quiet Feb 27 06:12:01 says im freaking nowhere Feb 27 06:12:03 rwhitby: were there any other US AUPT people other than that one guy in KY? Feb 27 06:12:25 That website told me the names of my children and my dog and how many fingers I have Feb 27 06:12:46 Eguy: 123people.com Feb 27 06:14:03 stop registering your router with skybook Feb 27 06:14:06 skyhook Feb 27 06:14:09 This is the most least productive night ever Feb 27 06:14:36 oil: yeah wouldnt pull u up Feb 27 06:14:52 Eguy: do you know a texan? Feb 27 06:15:13 cryptk: see @webosinternals on twitter for the answer Feb 27 06:15:27 imop45: A couple Feb 27 06:15:31 ahh, me no twitter, but gimmie a sec and I will check it Feb 27 06:16:06 Eguy: im so sorry.. Feb 27 06:16:28 ? Feb 27 06:16:33 They are alright Feb 27 06:16:44 What do you have against Texans? Feb 27 06:17:12 * jacques would also like to know. Feb 27 06:17:37 Don't wimp out now. Feb 27 06:17:40 ~testing-feed Feb 27 06:17:41 somebody said testing-feed was a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Feb 27 06:17:43 thanks infobot Feb 27 06:17:45 yeah what's up with Texans? :) Feb 27 06:18:17 what about texans? Feb 27 06:18:25 (I am technically not one... born somewhere else) Feb 27 06:18:36 those raped and pillaged my village.. Feb 27 06:19:19 hot, village rape is the way to go Feb 27 06:19:35 na, we have one going to my school now, and shes been getting on everyones nerves dauging oklahoma on what it doesnt have that TX does have.. grr. Feb 27 06:19:51 yes, its what i like to do in my free time Feb 27 06:19:52 The more women and children, the better! Feb 27 06:20:17 yes, oh wait women? na, men and boys. rip jackson Feb 27 06:20:27 ahh texas, where the only thing big are people's egos Feb 27 06:20:58 mm big egos are tasty Feb 27 06:21:23 ever eat a big ego fried in bacon fat? Feb 27 06:21:26 yeap... that describe this lady... Feb 27 06:21:29 people from texas always get butthurt when you point out that you can fit texas inside of alaska 3 times over Feb 27 06:22:13 yeah, but we remind them that you could fit alaskas gdp in Texas' 20x over :) Feb 27 06:22:24 Im serious, any where we go, any topic were discussing she throws in "oh in texas, our is better" blah blah blah Feb 27 06:22:33 gdp? Feb 27 06:22:38 Alaska is a big place with a retarded former leader Feb 27 06:22:54 gross domestic product Feb 27 06:23:07 theres no way shes a true alaskan.. Feb 27 06:23:11 Beautiful country up there though Feb 27 06:23:11 imop, its not her fault your state is gimped Feb 27 06:23:15 Eguy so is the united states Feb 27 06:23:16 people of texas and alaska shut up when you tell them you can fit both in the single state of western australia Feb 27 06:23:36 acydlord: You got me there. Feb 27 06:23:45 ~gdp is gross domestic product Feb 27 06:23:47 ...but gdp is already something else... Feb 27 06:23:48 rwhitby, not really, Texas still is far wealthier than Aus is as well :) Feb 27 06:24:16 texas is to the southwest what jersey is to the east coast Feb 27 06:24:20 ~gdp Feb 27 06:24:22 well, gdp is the Gnome Documentation Project at http://www.gnome.org/gdp/. Feb 27 06:24:37 Jersey is worse. Easily. Feb 27 06:24:37 ~gdp is also gross domestic product Feb 27 06:24:39 imop45: okay Feb 27 06:24:58 Eguy i think it scales well Feb 27 06:25:01 rwhitby: on the Upstart Manager app, do you think we need the state and status column or should i cut it down to just one or the other? Feb 27 06:25:05 psykoz: yeah true :) Feb 27 06:25:39 Jersey is far worse because the douchebags are concentrated in a smaller land mass Feb 27 06:25:43 ive been to jersey.. eh, its really green Feb 27 06:26:02 cryptk: I'm not yet sold on the end-user comprehension of any of that information Feb 27 06:26:04 and yeah..the 2 ppl i staryed with were douches... Feb 27 06:26:31 * rwhitby identifies the need for an sqlite service which can list app databases and save and restore them Feb 27 06:26:37 Ya'll need a laugh: http://i.imgur.com/bQQ8z.jpg Feb 27 06:26:39 everyone ive ever met from deleware was an ahole Feb 27 06:26:50 rwhitby: ahh, on a side note the jps method still isn't working for me Feb 27 06:26:59 I did get my emulator fixed btw Feb 27 06:27:09 speaking of bad ppl places, FL... everyone is sooo fake. Feb 27 06:27:12 lol Eguy Feb 27 06:27:20 imop45, try arizona sometime Feb 27 06:27:36 What's wrong with Arizona? Feb 27 06:27:39 it's a mixture of people trying to be in the LA scene or the Jersey scene Feb 27 06:27:44 Really, arizona? hmm, i wouldnt think theyd be fake Feb 27 06:27:45 since im here.... I cant update or remove the clean time stamps patch, any terminal codes to get rid of it or do i have to dr to 1.2? Feb 27 06:27:54 That's only Phoenix acydlord Feb 27 06:28:00 Maybe Tucson Feb 27 06:28:13 the entire phoenix metro area, which is a large area Feb 27 06:28:28 Have you ever been to Flagstaff? Feb 27 06:28:32 yeah Feb 27 06:28:40 well, i visited orlando/tampa area.. id say hi to ppl, and they were too egotistical to even respond. Feb 27 06:28:41 northern az is an entirely different place Feb 27 06:28:43 It's different up there Feb 27 06:29:10 yeah, i actually like it up north Feb 27 06:29:17 down here it's a cesspool of society Feb 27 06:29:35 Yeah I like it up north also Feb 27 06:29:41 Gets cold though :P Feb 27 06:30:00 ive met a lot of "rich" ppl, you know, the cliche of rich ppl... and Floridians act like them.. nothing is real, all just a mask. I like Feb 27 06:30:13 yeah, lately its been about 20degrees cooler up north than down here Feb 27 06:30:27 NY's asshole like, but real and no bs personality :) Feb 27 06:30:55 maybe its the cold and pollution that make them llike that :) Feb 27 06:31:13 Mmm smog Feb 27 06:31:22 it's probably the insanely bloated cost of living in NYC that does that Feb 27 06:31:25 I love waking up the morning and seeing the smog Feb 27 06:31:31 upstaters all seem nice Feb 27 06:31:49 Manhattan isn't that bad Feb 27 06:31:58 If you live there, it is completely different. Feb 27 06:31:59 lol, in this part of arizona you dont really notice the smog, everything is so brown anyway Feb 27 06:32:05 i heard smog gives you cancer but cures errectial disfunction Feb 27 06:32:21 imop45: I probably got Asthma from the LA smog. Feb 27 06:32:38 Oh well Feb 27 06:32:47 I'll take the sunshine over anything else. Feb 27 06:32:48 Eguy: seriously? we have allergy problems here though.. Feb 27 06:32:59 Eh, no matter where you go... Feb 27 06:33:06 yay 1.4 is out officially. Feb 27 06:33:08 something kills ya Feb 27 06:33:09 I just got it! Sprint in upstate NY Feb 27 06:33:25 1.4 is a lie Feb 27 06:33:26 check for update... Feb 27 06:33:34 too late. I no longer care. Feb 27 06:33:35 It's a typo for 1.5 Feb 27 06:33:41 51 accesses Feb 27 06:33:52 Eguy: 1.5 gives you cancer Feb 27 06:33:58 I just got it in Detroit on Sprint too Feb 27 06:34:00 update is here!!! Feb 27 06:34:09 39MB Feb 27 06:34:18 Yeah!!! Feb 27 06:34:29 i was first :P Feb 27 06:34:32 This is going to be the slowest 39MB download you ever see Feb 27 06:34:42 im sorry rwhitby, i trust AUPT but wanna see my pre in virgin style Feb 27 06:34:54 na tictac i was, dont lie Feb 27 06:35:38 omg 1:34 am... way to go palm Feb 27 06:35:39 tried to get a weather read in my app, wunderground.com quoted me $1,200 setup fee and 10% of palm profite Feb 27 06:35:44 Fri Feb 26 22:35:44 PST 2010 Feb 27 06:35:48 is here Feb 27 06:35:50 lol progress bar hasn't moved Feb 27 06:35:53 it iss till technically friday Feb 27 06:35:58 are u fore real Feb 27 06:35:59 there are more than one timezone Feb 27 06:36:03 yes Feb 27 06:36:06 is here Feb 27 06:36:12 sprint in Miami Feb 27 06:36:22 here, does EPR permenantly delete all patches Feb 27 06:36:28 Sprint in OKlahoma city Feb 27 06:36:30 oly, wa here. Feb 27 06:36:31 ok rwhitby, I am placing my trust in AUPT Feb 27 06:36:49 Me too Feb 27 06:36:59 finally Feb 27 06:37:07 Eguy: mines a quarter of the way Feb 27 06:37:12 Sprint in Houston, Texas Feb 27 06:37:17 ~EPR Feb 27 06:37:21 hmm - since my profile reset, I actually don't have any patches in Preware on any of my three Pre's at the moment. Feb 27 06:37:21 but I don't care :-P Feb 27 06:37:43 i just got a new phone due to a borked power button (for the 3rd time) so i had no patches installed either Feb 27 06:37:57 I have tons of patches Feb 27 06:38:03 I am gonna run AUPT through it's paces Feb 27 06:38:09 my phone even has an eyepatch Feb 27 06:38:24 I just got 1.4.0 on my Sprint Pre Feb 27 06:38:25 the 1.4b4 had a bunch of weird issues. Feb 27 06:38:28 +rwhitby: is it possible to temporarily uninstall but not delete my patches, then reinstall them later? Feb 27 06:38:52 @rwhitby: it's officially out, can't wait to count my chickens Feb 27 06:39:00 yeah, 1.4 is live, but sooooo slow Feb 27 06:39:09 Yay for Level 2! Feb 27 06:39:24 woot update Feb 27 06:39:28 Not even my 30mb down can help here. Feb 27 06:39:30 gkatsev, what do you expect when everyone is downloading it at the same time Feb 27 06:39:35 about 15-20kiB/s :-\ Feb 27 06:39:45 w00t, progress bar has reached the box Feb 27 06:40:02 Mine is at the D Feb 27 06:40:18 ok, im just running EPR Feb 27 06:40:18 i wish they'd release the doctor at the same time as the update Feb 27 06:40:28 i'd just roll up my own inhouse update server lol Feb 27 06:40:34 have there been any problems upgrading to 1.4 Feb 27 06:40:36 Doctor is faster lol Feb 27 06:40:43 it's usually only a day later for the doctor Feb 27 06:41:00 it took over a week for the doctor to show up last time Feb 27 06:41:09 Eguy: mines a tiny bit past the D Feb 27 06:41:14 Yay, 1.4 finally found it's way to me. Feb 27 06:41:31 I'm half-way through the D Feb 27 06:41:41 test Feb 27 06:41:43 hrmm Feb 27 06:41:44 rwhitby: you have a german and a sprint pre in aussie land? Feb 27 06:41:47 passed the box Feb 27 06:41:52 Pre needs cat5e Feb 27 06:41:54 tictac: 2 german, one sprint. Feb 27 06:41:55 my pre and pixi are having a race Feb 27 06:42:14 heh i remember when you didnt have any :) Feb 27 06:42:25 has anyone had any problems with AUPT and 1.4 after update? Feb 27 06:42:28 o now Feb 27 06:42:42 hckyplayer024: i dont think anyone has even completed downloading 1.4 yet... Feb 27 06:43:02 hckyplayer024: Check back in 48 hours when our downloads finish. Feb 27 06:43:02 tictac: 51 people have used 1.4 AUPT Feb 27 06:43:04 unless, well, you're the guy from vietnam Feb 27 06:43:08 so whats the upgrade and preware/patch procedure for 1.4 ? Feb 27 06:43:11 Eguy: middle of d now Feb 27 06:43:21 Robi_: full erase and webos Doctor Feb 27 06:43:23 w for me Feb 27 06:43:32 oh I didn't know how long its been out for... I think I'll wait just to see if there are any problems I dont want to have to doctor Feb 27 06:43:32 passed d Feb 27 06:43:35 rwhitby: i meant recently. i know you are watching your logs :P Feb 27 06:43:53 haha Feb 27 06:43:53 rwhitby: how does that help auto preserve/reinstall patches? Feb 27 06:43:58 wee.. 1.4.0 :) now to unpatch Feb 27 06:44:01 even pre-central is getting hit pretty hard right now Feb 27 06:44:01 rwhitby: it doesnt. it wipes everything. Feb 27 06:44:22 Robi_: it doesn't. I was joking. Anyone who waits until 1.4 is downloading to ask that deserves a full wipe. Feb 27 06:44:23 precentral is going to have 15 1.4 is out threads within the next 3 minutes LOL Feb 27 06:44:31 lol Feb 27 06:44:49 rwhitby: consider emoticons Feb 27 06:44:54 Eguy, doubful, i keep getting 504 errors on it every few minutes Feb 27 06:45:01 oh, 39 mbs... thats like half of the alloted monthly data allowance for verizon Feb 27 06:45:06 heh palm on twitter is about 8 minutes late Feb 27 06:45:09 acydlord: That's from people trying to post new threads ;) Feb 27 06:45:13 imop45: haha Feb 27 06:45:17 "<+rwhitby> Robi_: it doesn't. I was joking. Anyone who waits until 1.4 is downloading to ask that deserves a full wipe." Nice.. Feb 27 06:45:27 Verizon isn't getting the update until 2/29/2010 Feb 27 06:45:35 i guess official webos 1.4.0 changelog isnt live on palm.com yet Feb 27 06:45:43 rwhitby: what kind of traffic are you pushing from the server now for feed traffic? Feb 27 06:45:48 gkatsev: That usually takes a while Feb 27 06:45:56 palm was probably trying to get some extra servers online before posting lol Feb 27 06:46:03 oh yeah thats riight.. isnt that when the mayan calender ends also? Feb 27 06:46:18 finally reached n Feb 27 06:46:25 l now Feb 27 06:46:29 It's flying! Feb 27 06:46:30 Eguy: almost at n Feb 27 06:46:42 a~! Feb 27 06:46:42 still at D... Feb 27 06:46:51 second d Feb 27 06:47:05 over a day left in Feb here. So Palm can rightly say they were a day early. Feb 27 06:47:05 im doing epr right now also Feb 27 06:47:07 That 802.11n is kicking in Feb 27 06:47:13 there an epr i can get via preware? Feb 27 06:47:26 yeah linux applications Feb 27 06:47:28 my cable is way out there -----> Feb 27 06:47:32 in the truck Feb 27 06:47:33 heh Feb 27 06:47:38 Why would you run EPR? Feb 27 06:47:38 jhojho: server is quiet right now - everyone is updating from Palm, not us. Feb 27 06:47:55 looks like US servers have it now too Feb 27 06:47:58 im running epr for a virgin palm Feb 27 06:48:00 imop45: thanks Feb 27 06:48:07 I think I'm going to refrain from answering any questions about patches for the next 24 hours. Feb 27 06:48:10 Just do a full-erase Feb 27 06:48:20 ay. 1.4.0 is out for me. downloading now Feb 27 06:48:21 Mine is still at the D too... No WIFI, slow. I can't wait to get this done and put AUPT to the it's test :-) Feb 27 06:48:22 Give it a few and I bet yer server is hit hard Feb 27 06:48:26 rwhitby: Where can I get patches? Feb 27 06:48:27 rwhitby: just set the channel +m :P Feb 27 06:48:30 epr will erase all patches right? Feb 27 06:48:32 rwhitby: that would be a good move Feb 27 06:48:32 heh Feb 27 06:48:33 mine keeps stopping and has gone down to a gew 100 bytes per secondf Feb 27 06:48:54 +rwhitby: that's a good call, it's kind of late to be asking questions now Feb 27 06:48:58 is Slow over wifi as well on evdo Feb 27 06:49:08 rwhitby: epr has been downloading for 6 mins ltm Feb 27 06:49:09 oh fail, my pixi just switched to 1x, i'll get the update by this time next month Feb 27 06:49:12 Almost at the end of downloading for me Feb 27 06:49:22 * tictac has no evdo at home and is forced to use an airave for coverage. Feb 27 06:49:25 zero progress bar.. ahahahah Feb 27 06:49:46 * tictac stood up his spare cisco ap just for the pre to have wifi Feb 27 06:49:52 10% Feb 27 06:49:53 restarting after epr... i'll start downloading 1.4 now.. maybe be done by this time tomorrow :) Feb 27 06:49:57 grr epr wont work! Feb 27 06:50:03 unpacking half done Feb 27 06:50:04 epr is for scaredy cats! :P Feb 27 06:50:09 lol Feb 27 06:50:14 guess we can talk about 1.4 features now Feb 27 06:50:18 imop45, epr may take a while depending on how many patches you have installed Feb 27 06:50:21 unpacking Feb 27 06:50:22 Got past the "D" and jumped straight to "L". Why EPR when we have AUPT? Feb 27 06:50:24 I'm putting faith in AUPT Feb 27 06:50:26 jhojho: 8Mbit/sec outgoing at the moment from preware.org Feb 27 06:50:43 rwhitby: not to shabby.. whats the record? Feb 27 06:50:43 i trust aupt, just want to see my pre without any patches Feb 27 06:50:51 rwhitby: not too bad. what is the highest you have seen prior? Feb 27 06:50:58 yes, but its been 8 mins now. Feb 27 06:51:06 heh Feb 27 06:51:06 never has it taken this long Feb 27 06:51:19 you'll have like a basically unpatched pre after an OTA (dependong on how many packages get updated) Feb 27 06:51:24 Unpacking now Feb 27 06:51:37 I'm over 10MiB down now, if ifconfig is to be trusted Feb 27 06:51:39 that's odd that the downloads are taking so long since I was under the impression that palm was using a CDN to distribute Feb 27 06:51:48 a lot of patches were updated though Feb 27 06:51:53 until you "update all". but it's not a bad idea to see the stock experience of new webos version :D Feb 27 06:52:07 they don't auto reapply Feb 27 06:52:15 oh, they dont? Feb 27 06:52:16 Thanks for AUPT egaudet Feb 27 06:52:18 Half-way through unpacking Feb 27 06:52:24 1.4? Feb 27 06:52:28 mjkjr, don't thank me yet ;) Feb 27 06:52:28 yes Feb 27 06:52:31 lol Feb 27 06:52:34 ugh... Feb 27 06:52:42 my pre plus is being neglected :( Feb 27 06:52:44 Every Pre will explode in approximately 1 hour. Feb 27 06:52:57 why i have not started the update yet. Feb 27 06:52:59 heheh Feb 27 06:53:05 i did not know that.. thank you eugadget Feb 27 06:53:10 egaudet Feb 27 06:53:15 is on sprint network I think at this time Feb 27 06:53:21 oh god.. Feb 27 06:53:23 big icons Feb 27 06:53:29 Eguy: palm's stock will implode on itself if that happens Feb 27 06:53:37 It already did Feb 27 06:53:43 even more. Feb 27 06:53:46 mine is unpacking now Feb 27 06:53:47 It's down to $6.30 Feb 27 06:53:58 anyone here ready for a brilliant adventure? Feb 27 06:53:59 before the pre it was like $3 Feb 27 06:54:02 i wanna buy stock Feb 27 06:54:11 It takes a long time to unpack Feb 27 06:54:15 at this rate it's going to be like 1.5 hours to dl Feb 27 06:54:20 luna is crawling.. Feb 27 06:54:27 I sold my stock at around $11.30 Feb 27 06:55:02 jacques: at least your getting somewhere.. meters not even moving over here Feb 27 06:55:12 i quit bothering with my stocks last year after i lost so much money in yahoo Feb 27 06:55:12 Downloading..Pah! Feb 27 06:55:13 +egaudet: all patches will be uninstalled for the update then? Feb 27 06:55:19 well I'm going to sleep, happy updating Feb 27 06:55:25 imop45, no Feb 27 06:55:26 yawn Feb 27 06:55:29 sup folks? Feb 27 06:55:46 +egaudet: what will happen then? Feb 27 06:55:52 Who here knows how to make something brilliant Feb 27 06:56:05 acydlord: thats what you get for investing in a sucky company :) Feb 27 06:56:09 OTA updates update packages, overwriting stock webos files. This is a "major" update so I just assume that most packages will be updated Feb 27 06:56:12 sorry to ask Feb 27 06:56:26 anyone have it fully installed? Feb 27 06:56:35 Mine is just about finished unpacking Feb 27 06:56:50 nice, i have a feeling mine wont be out till tomorrow :( Feb 27 06:57:09 VZW said 2/29/2010 Feb 27 06:57:10 I can't wait to test this out, if all goes well AUPT has made my life 10x easier :-) Feb 27 06:57:15 tictac, yahoo wasnt always bad, I've had stock in them for about 10 years or so Feb 27 06:57:22 eguy where did you see that Feb 27 06:57:24 meter is about to make it to the bow on the package! Feb 27 06:57:25 woo Feb 27 06:57:29 2 weeks remaining Feb 27 06:57:42 farms: It was a joke Feb 27 06:57:49 ... Feb 27 06:57:51 +egaudet: i just want to temp remoce them but not delete them Feb 27 06:57:56 oh interesting what the hell is it doing? it downloads some stuff, does some gunzipping, bspatching, md5summing .. Feb 27 06:57:59 this is a very serious matter lol :p Feb 27 06:58:00 mu pixi keeps giving up, i think i may have to juryrig an antenna to get 3g Feb 27 06:58:02 then downloads more Feb 27 06:58:11 +egaudet: is that possible, or is epr the only way? Feb 27 06:58:18 I'm at the X Feb 27 06:58:33 pre is unpacking Feb 27 06:58:37 there is no concept of "temp remove" as I don't know what that means Feb 27 06:59:00 why aren't we all posting our progress on twitter like all the asshats that liveblogged the iPad release Feb 27 06:59:18 uninstall an update from the files to a temp dir then reinstalling them later Feb 27 06:59:25 We do that here instead Feb 27 06:59:26 acydlord: you aren't? I am. FAN BOI Feb 27 06:59:28 good idea Feb 27 06:59:35 only to second d Feb 27 06:59:43 rwhitby: New numbers? Feb 27 06:59:47 lol.. anyone see the iMaxi for the iPad? Feb 27 07:00:06 lol Feb 27 07:00:08 funny skit Feb 27 07:00:34 so hows aupt going for everyone? Feb 27 07:00:47 http://bzy.bz/n4 <-- iMaxi Feb 27 07:00:54 aupt divided by zero, ate my pre and 3 laptops in a black holy Feb 27 07:01:01 black hole^ Feb 27 07:01:25 yes that is the goal of aupt Feb 27 07:01:26 oil: still unpacking at moment Feb 27 07:01:40 +egaudet: ipkg-opt or quilt used to do that i believe... Feb 27 07:01:44 hmm researching Feb 27 07:01:47 My bar is at the end but nothing is happening Feb 27 07:02:00 Eguy: 52 Feb 27 07:02:05 completely different concepts imop45 Feb 27 07:02:18 i thought that "how palm over the air updates work" post from palm was going to be one of those one word websites saying "SLOWLY" Feb 27 07:02:19 rwhitby: I guess everyone is still unpacking/downloading lol Feb 27 07:02:25 acydlord: those asshats ended up disappointed and opened the release to be the butt of jokes all over the world. they served their purpose. Feb 27 07:02:39 quilt is a patch management command line tool that basically stacks patches, you can pop them all and push them all in one command Feb 27 07:02:46 unpacking.. Feb 27 07:02:48 i hope i see mine soon but oh well, sprint peeps enjoy 1.4 :) Feb 27 07:02:50 unpacking now Feb 27 07:02:51 Robi_, sadly i know too many people still wanting to buy the iPad Feb 27 07:02:52 ttyl Feb 27 07:02:52 i dont recall it taking this long to download 39mb on my 28.8 modem :\ Feb 27 07:03:04 +egaudet: ltm, yes i remember now! we used to quilt import the patches, then quilt push to apply them! Feb 27 07:03:07 My download finished quickly Feb 27 07:03:08 acydlord: tell them to get a nook and hack it for the win Feb 27 07:03:13 Unpacking takes forever Feb 27 07:03:16 MiX-MaN: you must have been on drugs during that time period. Feb 27 07:03:17 * oil is downloading, but waits for someone else to install first xD Feb 27 07:03:17 working with existing homebrew ipkg standards is different Feb 27 07:03:23 tictac: hah Feb 27 07:03:28 lol download looks like it might take forever Feb 27 07:03:29 oy ve Feb 27 07:03:34 tictac: nah .. i had shotgun technology Feb 27 07:03:35 this download is sloooooooow Feb 27 07:03:35 MiX-MaN: 39 meg on 28.8 takes about a weeek Feb 27 07:03:41 Robi_, nah, i'll let them buy into apple even more and wait till they are flat broke to rub it in that they are suckers Feb 27 07:03:45 now validating Feb 27 07:03:49 75% done with unpacking Feb 27 07:03:52 Unpacking is taking longer than dowload Feb 27 07:03:53 Mine is validating now Feb 27 07:03:57 FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Feb 27 07:04:02 unpacking takes forever Feb 27 07:04:03 so with current ipkg, we cant reomve them but hold them in place without deleting anymore? Feb 27 07:04:15 Eguy: failed validation? Feb 27 07:04:20 my pixi just made it to the D in downloading lol Feb 27 07:04:22 Halfway through unpacking... Are we having a race to see who gets it installed and updates their patches first? Feb 27 07:04:22 Eguy: pwnt? Feb 27 07:04:23 each patch is its own package Feb 27 07:04:27 Nah, it just takes forever Feb 27 07:04:30 acydlord: same spot Feb 27 07:04:34 ..ah, ok epr it is Feb 27 07:04:34 Kyusaku, it just turned into an iPhone Feb 27 07:04:37 nooo at the L now!! Feb 27 07:04:42 L%! Feb 27 07:05:13 half of me wants to sleep, half of me wants to here of all the aupt problems Feb 27 07:05:16 quilt was pretty impressive though.. Well you where here back in august Feb 27 07:05:28 * egaudet grabs a beer Feb 27 07:05:31 what happens when you reach blank precent Feb 27 07:05:39 boom Feb 27 07:05:39 The pre blows up Feb 27 07:05:46 egaudet: sux.. i droped 10mg of melatonin about 5 mins before the breaking news Feb 27 07:05:50 division by zero happens Feb 27 07:05:54 starting to kick in now Feb 27 07:05:55 lol Feb 27 07:06:09 chuck norms can divide by zero Feb 27 07:06:10 imop45, quilt is good if you like command line, and you don't get to use preware and see descriptions and have dependencies etc... Feb 27 07:06:10 mixman- drink a bunch of cold water. Feb 27 07:06:18 WHY DOES IT HAVE TO VALIDATE Feb 27 07:06:21 this has got to be the worst time to release an update Feb 27 07:06:31 s/norms/norris/ Feb 27 07:06:31 jhojho meant: chuck norris can divide by zero Feb 27 07:06:33 command line makes me feel special and important ltm Feb 27 07:06:36 MiX-MaN, mind over melatonin :P Feb 27 07:06:38 Eguy: because of the evil bit Feb 27 07:06:38 chuck norris can't divide by anything, he is a creationist, and math is science, he doesnt beleive in it Feb 27 07:06:41 lol Feb 27 07:06:50 Unpacking took long enough Feb 27 07:06:51 im trying Feb 27 07:07:07 chuck norris just roundhouse kicks it Feb 27 07:07:08 just made it to i% complete Feb 27 07:07:12 validating is when it is applying the binary patches Feb 27 07:07:27 70% Feb 27 07:07:49 luna restart deletes downloading youve had so far Feb 27 07:07:51 Change log is up: http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/50607_en.html#1401 Feb 27 07:08:07 I think the downloading and unpacking are rather arbitrary Feb 27 07:08:12 egaudet: did you see that I actually have no patch metadata installed on any of my devices right now? Feb 27 07:08:18 it's unpacking while downloading and downloading while unpacking Feb 27 07:08:36 rwhitby, yeah nice timing for that profile thing huh Feb 27 07:08:38 There is no unpacking, it's all a lie Feb 27 07:08:40 +egaudet: so quilt doesnt provide the power and versatility preware needs for all the info then? Feb 27 07:08:56 I'm going to hit install now. Feb 27 07:09:06 It's been nice knowing ya'll Feb 27 07:09:10 * oil crosses fingers Feb 27 07:09:16 pixi just reached the o, the pixi should have had wifi, 1x sucks Feb 27 07:09:20 imop45, I guess you could say that. It's a command line tool and it can't really map properly to the homebrew ecosystem of individual packages Feb 27 07:09:29 just passed present percent lol Feb 27 07:09:39 My pre just exploded Feb 27 07:09:53 what is preware using now? URL soley of ipkg? Feb 27 07:09:57 plus it doesn't have any of the OTA smarts and webos-version specific feeds stuff and all the other benefits of the current system Feb 27 07:10:03 acydlord: be glad you can download it at 1x. that hasnt always been the case. Feb 27 07:10:07 I wish that sprint had the pixi plus Feb 27 07:10:13 * jacques is hungry again. Feb 27 07:10:22 It's installing now Feb 27 07:10:26 hey guys, one quick question, is there a way on doing a full Erease/Doctor, and palm not auto reinstalling your apps, withour creating another profile¡¡ Feb 27 07:10:26 Anyone else installing? Feb 27 07:10:35 tictac, i know, i remember having to hack it to download at 1x before Feb 27 07:10:42 oo i heard tires screach! aw..but no crash Feb 27 07:10:57 upacking, downloaded very fast Feb 27 07:10:59 mandaman2k, metadoctor and bypass activation Feb 27 07:10:59 Eguy: not yet still validating Feb 27 07:11:07 don't run firstuse app and it won't log into your profile Feb 27 07:11:07 half way through installing circle Feb 27 07:11:10 25% done Feb 27 07:11:25 but you can't use app cat or update without logging into profile (i.e. running firstuse app) Feb 27 07:11:29 mandamn2k is the installer? Feb 27 07:11:40 "This release improves the speed of downloading applications and files." so does this mean 1.4.1 wont take forever to download? :P Feb 27 07:11:44 imop45, what are you my neighbor? Feb 27 07:11:52 i heard tires screech at the same exact time Feb 27 07:12:02 I hear tires screech all day and night long. Feb 27 07:12:06 haha, hmm, are you in OKC? Feb 27 07:12:18 egaudet, thanks i'll try that, but can i still update to 1.4, without having a profile "installed" Feb 27 07:12:23 prob ppl trying to update while driving Feb 27 07:12:30 maybe we're the same ppl, accidently reincarnated at the same time Feb 27 07:12:34 boston :P Feb 27 07:12:40 MiX-MaN: haha! Feb 27 07:12:46 mandaman2k, no Feb 27 07:12:55 you can't update without being logged into a profile Feb 27 07:13:04 maybe i should have turned on wifi for the update Feb 27 07:13:09 this speed skating relay is insane Feb 27 07:13:19 You are just watching that now? Feb 27 07:13:20 oil, why do you have wifi off Feb 27 07:13:41 i only have it on when i dont get evdo Feb 27 07:13:45 Hey, talking about wiiffie... Feb 27 07:13:55 Eguy: yeah. that's whats on tv Feb 27 07:13:58 mmmm, the thing is I want to try my pre without anything installed, I think i'll just better create a boggey profile... Feb 27 07:14:06 my palm wont go to sleep if im connected. is that normal? Feb 27 07:14:14 I saw that hours ago Feb 27 07:14:21 well dont tell me Feb 27 07:14:25 the results Feb 27 07:14:47 jhojho: it was 30:4 Feb 27 07:14:54 jk Feb 27 07:14:56 I'm watching Road House in HD, while trying to install Leopard/Snow Leopard on a desktop, it's anarchy at my place Feb 27 07:15:03 60% Feb 27 07:15:08 imop45: what do you mean by won't go to sleep? Feb 27 07:15:44 oil why? Feb 27 07:15:46 50% done installing Feb 27 07:15:52 i pay for that data Feb 27 07:15:56 im damn well going to use it Feb 27 07:15:59 when i turn my pre off, in the terminal it says "going to sleep" then 3-14 secs later "waking up" Feb 27 07:16:02 lol Feb 27 07:16:12 you rather be slow because you pay for it unwillingly Feb 27 07:16:17 right Feb 27 07:16:17 :P Feb 27 07:16:20 mine started unpacking and now says "unable to connect try again later" Feb 27 07:16:21 stubborn! Feb 27 07:16:22 and its unlimited Feb 27 07:16:24 but really not Feb 27 07:16:27 and has a download button again Feb 27 07:16:30 Ouch jacques Feb 27 07:16:40 jacques: that blows.. mine did that to me 3 times on the last update Feb 27 07:16:41 imop45: which terminal are you talking about? Feb 27 07:16:42 I probably hardly ever get to use evdo Feb 27 07:16:45 took like 4-5 hours Feb 27 07:16:52 almost done installing Feb 27 07:16:58 I had a pixi that did it 8-10 times on 1.3.5.1 Feb 27 07:17:00 why do you have terminal open Feb 27 07:17:01 at home i use wifi, at work connection sucks so bad i don't do much downloading of anything Feb 27 07:17:05 jacques: that stinks Feb 27 07:17:08 downloading....! Unable to connect! Feb 27 07:17:13 terminal for palm pre. or heck ecen just the command line Feb 27 07:17:37 you mean while usb is connected? Feb 27 07:17:47 There are a hell of a lot of new features in this update Feb 27 07:18:01 at the X, 95% Feb 27 07:18:30 my pre just imploded! Feb 27 07:18:33 Eguy: yes there are. including lots not listed on the update Feb 27 07:18:45 webkit is now at v4 instead of v3 Feb 27 07:18:50 new rev of v8 Feb 27 07:18:52 etc etc. Feb 27 07:19:04 :) Feb 27 07:19:06 New ringtones Feb 27 07:19:22 I never use ringtones so I dont care Feb 27 07:19:39 me either: vibrate all the way Feb 27 07:19:48 server patche feeds access number is still at 52 Feb 27 07:19:56 I wonder if flash is up yet? Feb 27 07:20:04 pfft Feb 27 07:20:06 w/ adobe Feb 27 07:20:11 it'll be out in 4 - 5 years Feb 27 07:20:17 hah. i @palm show us the changelog and whaddya know.. they twittered back with it Feb 27 07:20:17 egaudet: you look at how they did the video recording? Feb 27 07:20:42 80% Feb 27 07:20:42 99% Feb 27 07:20:45 not yet Feb 27 07:20:47 no, not while it is connected. without wifi on, in the terminal, my pre goes to sleep for a while. "going to sleep" then shows wake up statues when i wake it up Feb 27 07:20:57 +rwhitby: I'll be accessing those feeds pretty soon here :-) Feb 27 07:21:01 I hear they did video recording with a button in the camera app. Feb 27 07:21:08 imop45: there's a patch for that. Feb 27 07:21:13 Mine is almost 75% installing Feb 27 07:21:19 how long is it taking everyone to unpack the update? Feb 27 07:21:20 8 o'clock now Feb 27 07:21:27 JMyaDaGod: 15 mins Feb 27 07:21:28 Unpacking is slow Feb 27 07:21:33 uygghh i need to goto sleep Feb 27 07:21:38 gotta be up in 5 hours :\ Feb 27 07:21:40 ok back to homework Feb 27 07:21:46 Eguy: 8 o'clock? Where are you? Feb 27 07:21:49 sleep is for the weak Feb 27 07:21:49 * jacques just put on a pot of tea Feb 27 07:21:58 tictac: exactly Feb 27 07:21:59 8 o'clock on the install circle ;) Feb 27 07:22:05 rebooting now Feb 27 07:22:07 jacques: i thought you were drinking a beer? now it's tea? Feb 27 07:22:11 Validating.. Feb 27 07:22:17 lol oh.... Feb 27 07:22:18 9 now Feb 27 07:22:26 i remember my pre used to turn off wifi and go to sleep.. now when i turn it on, the white wifi bars are there immediately. and my batt drains too Feb 27 07:22:31 O_O 8.3 earthquake somewhere Feb 27 07:22:45 [cnnbrk]: 8.3 magnitude earthquake strikes near Concepcion, Chile, USGS reports. Feb 27 07:22:54 holy crap.. globalwarming Feb 27 07:23:01 tictac: no, beer was someone else Feb 27 07:23:02 MiX-MaN: 7.0 off the coast of japan Feb 27 07:23:03 Not California? Feb 27 07:23:17 tictac: ya i seen that one earlyer Feb 27 07:23:31 Eguy: hey now Feb 27 07:23:32 ahh ot was egaudet Feb 27 07:23:39 really Feb 27 07:23:40 8.3 is stout Feb 27 07:23:44 Download failed Feb 27 07:23:46 8.3 Feb 27 07:23:47 validating is going pretty fast. Feb 27 07:23:56 I slept through the '94 quake Feb 27 07:24:00 90%! Feb 27 07:24:04 feel the rhythm feel the rhyme. it's bob sled time! Feb 27 07:24:06 like a min on my pre and validation is done. Feb 27 07:24:09 Eguy: how big? Feb 27 07:24:09 Install Now! [x] Feb 27 07:24:40 my install is at 11:59 Feb 27 07:24:43 6.7 Feb 27 07:24:48 not to shabby Feb 27 07:24:57 i've only been in one earthquake Feb 27 07:24:58 The earthquake had a "strong" moment magnitude of 6.7, but the ground acceleration was one of the highest ever instrumentally recorded in an urban area in North America Feb 27 07:24:58 installing now. Feb 27 07:25:05 in the 80's in LA Feb 27 07:25:09 well.. long beach Feb 27 07:25:10 tictac: did a webos update change the way wifi would be put to sleep? Feb 27 07:25:12 sucked Feb 27 07:25:26 imop45: 1.3.5 added that feature Feb 27 07:25:26 imop45: not that i know of Feb 27 07:25:28 My install is almost finished Feb 27 07:25:29 ok i can install now am i supposed to be doing anything before instal besides remove theme.....???? Feb 27 07:25:41 my pre doesnt go to sleep very often though Feb 27 07:25:41 imop45: theres an option to put it to sleep when the phone goes to sleep Feb 27 07:25:51 imop45: keeps wifi going when the phone sleeps. Feb 27 07:25:55 98%! Feb 27 07:25:57 JMydDaGod: oh my Feb 27 07:26:01 well 1.3.5 update is killing my batt.. Feb 27 07:26:01 I hope 1.4 fixes the microphone being disabled when headphone jack is plugged in Feb 27 07:26:03 Eguy: u in the bay? Feb 27 07:26:04 the installing update has a progress bar now. Feb 27 07:26:10 Negative Robi_ Feb 27 07:26:11 grr palm, shouldnt have done that! Feb 27 07:26:15 rebooting Feb 27 07:26:16 jhojho: me too.. forgot about that one Feb 27 07:26:17 that was really useful and a bummer that palm changed that Feb 27 07:26:31 3x3 icons suck! Feb 27 07:26:39 Eguy: lol.. i made that note earlyer Feb 27 07:26:41 iphone earbuds with mic work nicely in the pre Feb 27 07:26:53 jhojho, i think thats hardware problem Feb 27 07:27:00 4x4v3 :) Feb 27 07:27:04 5x5 Feb 27 07:27:07 but if it is software, i would be greatful for a fix Feb 27 07:27:08 imop45: why? Feb 27 07:27:14 oh hi cdm, didn't see you there Feb 27 07:27:20 rwhitby: Any changes? Feb 27 07:27:20 ;) Feb 27 07:27:21 4x4v3 is the best :-) Feb 27 07:27:26 4x4v3 ftw Feb 27 07:27:30 ill try that one Feb 27 07:27:33 4x5 Feb 27 07:27:38 v2 Feb 27 07:27:38 Mine just finished installing Feb 27 07:27:47 i keep missing the buttons on the smaller one Feb 27 07:27:53 fatfingers Feb 27 07:28:07 I'm going into preware now after install Feb 27 07:28:08 back downloading for second time just now at wrapped box Feb 27 07:28:10 validating! Feb 27 07:28:11 So Feb 27 07:28:13 oil: how is that a hardware problem? Feb 27 07:28:18 is the flash beta really in app catalog as of now then? Feb 27 07:28:19 Waiting for boot Feb 27 07:28:22 it was working in 1.1/1.2 iirc Feb 27 07:28:27 Going into preware first Feb 27 07:28:31 Eguy: 53 Feb 27 07:28:37 crappy headphone jack Feb 27 07:28:38 it worked fine before but then it stopped around the 1.2/1.3 timeframe Feb 27 07:28:48 mine has done it since i got it Feb 27 07:28:50 rwhitby: I guess we will be the first Feb 27 07:28:54 and it got better as the updates went on Feb 27 07:29:00 i only had it happen again the other day Feb 27 07:29:02 Eguy: are you 74.78.x.x Feb 27 07:29:06 but i use my jack daily Feb 27 07:29:10 Nope Feb 27 07:29:14 oil, nah. I doubt it's hardware since it stopped working for lots of people all around the same time. Feb 27 07:29:14 130.245.x.x Feb 27 07:29:20 Nope Feb 27 07:29:23 86.196.x.x Feb 27 07:29:25 I haven't opened yet Feb 27 07:29:27 cdm: b/c if the update made it so it wont go to sleep when using wifi, then it cant sleep, so batt life goes down Feb 27 07:29:30 i had that issue with my first pre.. now im on my 5th.. Feb 27 07:29:32 unpacking is at the X Feb 27 07:29:36 so annoying to have to disconnect the headphone jack to answer the phone Feb 27 07:29:43 both my Pre's are rebooting now Feb 27 07:29:48 download failed Feb 27 07:29:51 so I was expecting to have package updates to install... but none listed Feb 27 07:29:52 pwnt Feb 27 07:29:56 who's going to be the first aupt success or failure Feb 27 07:29:57 Mine should be up any second Feb 27 07:29:58 throbbing palm Feb 27 07:30:00 rwhitby: i think here shortly you're going to have more people hitting those feeds than you can count Feb 27 07:30:16 i'll be the first aupt success Feb 27 07:30:17 54 Feb 27 07:30:33 wee install now Feb 27 07:30:37 installing 1.4 now Feb 27 07:30:45 psykoz: i'll race u Feb 27 07:30:48 had to get my battery to 30% ;( been out at the bar all night Feb 27 07:30:58 egaudet: what thread do you want AUPT posts to go in? Feb 27 07:31:01 Boot already!!! Feb 27 07:31:10 (I'll tweet it) Feb 27 07:31:15 throbbing palm... Feb 27 07:31:22 takes awhile to boot Feb 27 07:31:24 thats what rosy said... Feb 27 07:31:24 bspatch is taking 62M? Feb 27 07:31:36 rwhitby, can go in the existing AUPT thread I guess Feb 27 07:31:39 100MB of 128MB swap in use Feb 27 07:31:43 egaudet: URL? Feb 27 07:31:51 installing update.. please remove battery Feb 27 07:31:52 egaudet: you don't want a fresh one? Feb 27 07:31:56 yay, my pixi is now unpacking Feb 27 07:32:06 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/227163-aupt-auto-update-patch-technology.html Feb 27 07:32:14 rwhitby, do you think we should make a fresh one? Feb 27 07:32:26 brb Feb 27 07:32:31 usa sled 1 lead guy is um... husky Feb 27 07:32:33 egaudet: can't hurt - then you can put an FAQ in the first post as we go Feb 27 07:32:39 grr gotta do the download alllll over again Feb 27 07:32:41 imop45: you ahve it backwards. It goes to sleep but leaves wifi on the network. Feb 27 07:32:48 title? Feb 27 07:32:49 jhojho: yea but they set 2 track records so who cares. Feb 27 07:32:53 imop45: So rather then camping on WAN, it camps on WiFi -- better power numbers. Feb 27 07:32:54 AUPT, 1.4 and you Feb 27 07:32:59 jhojho: as long as they beat canada, ill be happy Feb 27 07:33:03 you guys are goint to have so many people asking ridiculous questions Feb 27 07:33:09 hahah yeah Feb 27 07:33:17 did 1.4 shave my cat? Feb 27 07:33:21 imop45: i'm in the same boat and just hit D in the second try downloading Feb 27 07:33:27 ugh only 10MB swap free Feb 27 07:33:31 8 Feb 27 07:33:37 gotta quit weechat Feb 27 07:34:22 Mine isn't throbbing Feb 27 07:34:27 cdm: ah ok, i remember it used to go gray when you went into standby. well, in terminal app for pre, it says it wakes up every couple of seconds. doesnt do that when wifi off Feb 27 07:34:33 egaudet: let me know the URL when you've got it Feb 27 07:34:47 egaudet: maybe make it a poll for AUPT success :-) Feb 27 07:35:07 I think I need to pull the battery Feb 27 07:35:33 me too Feb 27 07:35:35 options for poll... Feb 27 07:35:36 I have a feeling the poll could be affected by people who failed to update to aupt3 prior to updating to 1.4 Feb 27 07:36:02 mjkjr: sure, but that's all part of the fun :-) Feb 27 07:36:16 I can tell you I was running AUPT-3 and so far everything is going smooth Feb 27 07:36:33 If the poll gets > 50% it's a roaring success, cause more than half the population are of below average intelligence. Feb 27 07:36:35 hmm secure full erase is really interesting. Feb 27 07:36:53 +rwhitby: that makes sense Feb 27 07:37:00 I am on 1.4 now and running preware for the first time Feb 27 07:37:00 82, and two of them are mine :-) Feb 27 07:37:06 almost done updating feeds Feb 27 07:37:09 1/2 done at the orb Feb 27 07:37:21 Mine froze Feb 27 07:37:25 :( Feb 27 07:37:36 hope mine keeps trucking Feb 27 07:37:39 getting preware feeds Feb 27 07:37:49 I *should* be one of the successes, well see within 10 minutes hopefully. Feb 27 07:37:54 Just turned it back on Feb 27 07:38:00 Hopefully it will boot this time Feb 27 07:38:28 i dont see anything on the changelog about the disabling of mediasync Feb 27 07:38:42 Eguy: did it lock up during install? Feb 27 07:38:42 tictac: they got rid of it since it is useless Feb 27 07:38:50 Nope Feb 27 07:38:56 media sync is still an option I thought if you click "info" or something Feb 27 07:38:56 cryptk: some people used it with older verions of itunes. Feb 27 07:38:56 tictac: yeah, i didnt see it in the change log either. Feb 27 07:38:58 On reboot Feb 27 07:39:05 tictac: true Feb 27 07:39:05 it is worthless though IMO Feb 27 07:39:05 95 Feb 27 07:39:06 It has done that before though Feb 27 07:39:11 hope it makes it Feb 27 07:39:16 rwhitby: im updating aupt Feb 27 07:39:34 ive never used it myself, but i know some friends that did. Feb 27 07:39:46 should be 209.6.x.x Feb 27 07:40:02 gkatsev: yep, I see you Feb 27 07:40:11 (anyone ever see Romper Room ?) Feb 27 07:40:24 I think I'm f'ed Feb 27 07:40:29 holy cow, blast from the past Feb 27 07:40:39 yep.. Feb 27 07:40:41 Eguy: call the doctor? Feb 27 07:40:43 Cancel that Feb 27 07:40:48 Just booted finally Feb 27 07:40:51 nice Feb 27 07:40:57 it would be nice if palm replaced their bt stack with bluez Feb 27 07:40:57 rebooting now Feb 27 07:41:04 would make a lot more profiles avail Feb 27 07:41:25 i havent played with bluetooth much.. just got a new deck though that has it Feb 27 07:41:30 instead of having to wait for palm Feb 27 07:41:32 not sure what all i can do yet Feb 27 07:41:39 i wanna use a keyboard with my pre for games like doom Feb 27 07:41:41 rebooting now :-) here I come! Feb 27 07:41:42 122 Feb 27 07:41:50 I see you Johnny Feb 27 07:41:56 I see Luna hasn't gotten any faster to boot :) Feb 27 07:42:02 prefab: yep, you know it :-) Feb 27 07:42:08 tictac: lol that would be nice.. fullsize kb / mouse with the lil pre Feb 27 07:42:24 Ghostrider this is voodoo 1 requesting a flyby. Feb 27 07:42:31 Eguy: glad it booted. Feb 27 07:42:31 "validating" Feb 27 07:42:37 so many patches no longer needed Feb 27 07:42:40 Any issues yet w/ patches after 1.4? Feb 27 07:42:43 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/232820-patches-1-4-you.html Feb 27 07:42:47 MiX-MaN: hey the old treos had that Feb 27 07:42:49 Mine is ready to install :) Feb 27 07:42:51 +rwhitby: slowly climbing, how many preware users do you think there are? Feb 27 07:42:53 BUT Feb 27 07:43:06 imop45: lol nice.. i remember seeing a virtual kb on some phone Feb 27 07:43:12 shined down onto a table Feb 27 07:43:20 rwhitby, ^ Feb 27 07:43:23 mjkjr: we believe there are 25K Preware users, but of course only some percentage of them will use patches. Feb 27 07:43:24 I need to put the cover back on Feb 27 07:43:38 Does anyone use Mode Switcher patches? Feb 27 07:43:42 # This release improves the speed of downloading applications and files. Feb 27 07:43:47 this mean limit removed or upped? Feb 27 07:43:55 egaudet: put a donation link in there please :-) Feb 27 07:43:56 no more accelerator Feb 27 07:43:57 oh yeah, i saw that a long time ago. along with the pico pocket projestor and a flixible lcd screen that could be rolled up Feb 27 07:44:05 has aupt been going good for everyone? Feb 27 07:44:09 Robi_: thought about that.. i'll prob still use the patch though Feb 27 07:44:17 i got an error on the browser multi mod Feb 27 07:44:17 imop45: yup.. heh Feb 27 07:44:20 I've got 1.4 being announced. Feb 27 07:44:20 what's the link Feb 27 07:44:36 oil: ^ error on browser multimod Feb 27 07:44:39 +rwhitby: not a lot compared to the overall webos devices in hands of users but very impressive Feb 27 07:44:43 Mercury: welcome to 2 hours ago.. :P j/k heh where at? Feb 27 07:44:44 * oil doesnt use that one Feb 27 07:44:51 :) Feb 27 07:45:07 1.4 does not need the unthrottle download manager ? Feb 27 07:45:15 multi mod, grrrrr... Feb 27 07:45:23 egaudet: good set of choices too Feb 27 07:45:24 MiX-MaN: that roll up flexible screen tech looked promising.. Feb 27 07:45:32 update installed. Feb 27 07:45:33 lol Feb 27 07:45:34 still no flash Feb 27 07:45:39 lol @ video editing video Feb 27 07:45:44 171 Feb 27 07:45:53 I was going to put 4, then was going to be witty, then just went dirt simple Feb 27 07:45:53 am i the only one that noticed the timer in the corner said 1 second the whole time? Feb 27 07:46:03 MiX-MaN: Sprint, Texas, USA, Earth, Milky Way Galaxy. Feb 27 07:46:04 ugh.. mines been sitting at like 10 o'clock for awhile now Feb 27 07:46:10 still downloading Feb 27 07:46:15 Mercury: ah :P same area Feb 27 07:46:32 not sure about the galaxy though Feb 27 07:46:33 egaudet: got your first post on the thread LOL Feb 27 07:46:37 interesting - com.ea.app.nfsuc.eu.en_20.0.48_all.ipk is downloadable if you know how ... Feb 27 07:46:38 imop45: same here Feb 27 07:46:44 * Mercury does an EPR. Feb 27 07:46:49 anyone have 1.4 installed already?! Feb 27 07:46:57 a few people Feb 27 07:47:00 pkpkpk, the 1.4 is a lie Feb 27 07:47:00 pkpkpk: at least 192 Feb 27 07:47:01 +rwhitby: what is that? Feb 27 07:47:02 I guess no one here use Mode Switcher Feb 27 07:47:02 I do Feb 27 07:47:09 i'm on final reboot Feb 27 07:47:10 No flash yet Feb 27 07:47:13 mjkjr: I can say no more Feb 27 07:47:13 gollyzila: Mode switcher? Feb 27 07:47:15 prefab, im annoyed Feb 27 07:47:17 Probably by Sunday Feb 27 07:47:27 wow, awesome Feb 27 07:47:34 my main patch is the status menu deal.. hopefully all that works still Feb 27 07:47:36 and the flash light Feb 27 07:47:37 whats mode swiitcher Feb 27 07:47:41 comes in handy :) Feb 27 07:47:42 can't wait to hear what yall think Feb 27 07:47:46 +rwhitby: i figured it out Feb 27 07:47:57 woot its moving again Feb 27 07:47:59 just had to read better Feb 27 07:48:04 at 11:42 now Feb 27 07:48:06 Mercury: Yes, it is like a profiles app. It's in Homebrew Apps section in Precentral Feb 27 07:48:18 just hit 12.. about to restart! Feb 27 07:48:30 225 Feb 27 07:48:43 +rwhitby: go to terminal and type get com.ea.app.nfsuc.eu.en_20.0.48_all.ipk Feb 27 07:48:46 rwhitby: whats the bandwidth showing Feb 27 07:48:50 gollyzila: Yours? Feb 27 07:48:52 oh I like the new wifi sleep settings option Feb 27 07:49:01 gonna turn that puppy off Feb 27 07:49:02 off Feb 27 07:49:16 rwhitby, refresh thread Feb 27 07:49:23 restarting! Feb 27 07:49:23 wording OK? Feb 27 07:49:31 the beer is leaving my brain struggling Feb 27 07:49:33 Mercury: nope, I don't develop, but I was asking since the app uses patches. Feb 27 07:49:56 90% on my update orb Feb 27 07:50:01 What about MyTether? Can we leave that installed? Feb 27 07:50:17 egaudet: paypal link didn't work for me - just link to the webos-internals.org page? Feb 27 07:50:20 gollyzila: It looks, interesting, but the one thing I really want it doesn't do. Ah well. Feb 27 07:50:48 lol @ mytether reply being the first one to the aupt thread Feb 27 07:50:51 unpacking! Feb 27 07:50:57 afaik mytether doesn't use aupt Feb 27 07:51:02 prefab:upacking Feb 27 07:51:09 I'm sorry about that Feb 27 07:51:15 check mytether forum Feb 27 07:51:17 rwhitby, fixed Feb 27 07:51:27 gollyzila: that post is shameful Feb 27 07:51:33 It did say "1.4 updating" Feb 27 07:51:38 seriously Feb 27 07:51:45 you're now shunned Feb 27 07:51:51 gollyzila: I just tweeted what you should do with MyTether, and it's completely off-topic for that thread anyway. Please delete it. Feb 27 07:51:52 weee almost done Feb 27 07:51:58 Patches, 1.4 and you Feb 27 07:51:58 imop45: mine just changed to unpacking Feb 27 07:51:59 I will Feb 27 07:52:04 mytether can get thrown out of a window Feb 27 07:52:17 my palm is throbbing :D Feb 27 07:52:25 who the heck is Robotic Clone lol Feb 27 07:52:25 luna is sooo slow Feb 27 07:52:29 -1 for my tether Feb 27 07:52:37 why did they not release it on bell Feb 27 07:52:41 that is gay Feb 27 07:52:48 verizon doesent have it yet either Feb 27 07:52:56 MiX-MaN: something else of mine is thrbbing in excitment for this update Feb 27 07:53:03 imop45: haha Feb 27 07:53:06 Palm wonderful. Feb 27 07:53:07 imop45, TMI Feb 27 07:53:11 o_O Feb 27 07:53:13 yay I have 1.4 ;) Feb 27 07:53:15 i think i just finished updating aupt Feb 27 07:53:22 I thought Mytether was "fixed" compared to last time? Feb 27 07:53:23 Call duration patch faild Feb 27 07:53:27 failed* Feb 27 07:53:29 i hope battery life is improved Feb 27 07:53:31 how many patches did you have installed across the update egaudet? Feb 27 07:53:35 10 Feb 27 07:53:36 lol Feb 27 07:53:40 psykoz: oh, you know you liked it *wink* Feb 27 07:53:40 booting up into 1.4 woot Feb 27 07:53:40 Eguy: try again or restart and try again Feb 27 07:53:43 Eguy: did you read the changelog? Feb 27 07:53:44 well thats twice what i got Feb 27 07:53:50 * oil feels safe enough Feb 27 07:54:02 Eguy: the call duration is built into 1.4 Feb 27 07:54:03 hittin preware Feb 27 07:54:08 Hey guys anyone else having problems with the PDF redux patch? I cant get it to install with 1.4 Feb 27 07:54:09 38 patches, wonder how many will update Feb 27 07:54:19 sadly, people who didnt update preware before the update will have problems Feb 27 07:54:26 and not be able to update their patches Feb 27 07:54:27 ugh Feb 27 07:54:31 I'll remove it Feb 27 07:54:38 I didnt remove my call duration patch Feb 27 07:54:39 I went for 24 patches Feb 27 07:54:47 wweee Feb 27 07:54:47 failed at call duration Feb 27 07:54:50 its booted Feb 27 07:54:57 well VKB is nto showing as needing update Feb 27 07:55:01 which means there is no -0 Feb 27 07:55:04 which means arggg Feb 27 07:55:14 lol Feb 27 07:55:26 we'll have to have a talk with its developer Feb 27 07:55:29 get him on the aupt bandwaggon Feb 27 07:55:39 egaudet: is it better to do update all and remove failed patches after booting into 1.4 or just remove the offending patch first? Feb 27 07:56:12 jhojho, how do you know about offending patches prior to update all? Feb 27 07:56:21 "hide application x" patches dont seem to work Feb 27 07:56:35 they need luna restart Feb 27 07:56:42 oil: i did Feb 27 07:56:44 Maybe by 2.0 luna restart will take 10 seconds Feb 27 07:56:50 where is dbsooner? Feb 27 07:56:51 egaudet: just asking wrt to the call duration patch. if it's built into 14 then there's no need. Feb 27 07:56:57 isn't he supposed to be fixing all these problems? Feb 27 07:56:57 xD Feb 27 07:57:01 not Sleep for 1.4? Feb 27 07:57:03 oil: let me try full restart Feb 27 07:57:30 oh this must be the error that you told me about last month rwhitby building the vkb that i never got around to Feb 27 07:57:34 Yeah I just rebooted and I still cant get PDF redux to install. Is it just me or is anyone else having this problem? :S Feb 27 07:57:34 egaudet: the poll is reading 100% YES! AUPT is a 100% success ;-) Feb 27 07:57:43 1010% Feb 27 07:57:44 i like the loading cards Feb 27 07:57:55 lol, with 1 vote Feb 27 07:57:57 sweet, i should freeze it there Feb 27 07:58:00 MiX-MaN: yes, its great Feb 27 07:58:03 im holding off on voting till its done Feb 27 07:58:07 Mine has said Installing Update Do not remove battery twice now Feb 27 07:58:08 jhojho, it shouldn't matter whether you remove it now or after Feb 27 07:58:08 right now im at "dont pull the battery" stage Feb 27 07:58:10 voting hwere? Feb 27 07:58:12 wth my phone is installing update again Feb 27 07:58:15 if you do it now you wont get a -0 dummy package Feb 27 07:58:17 I'm voting no to balance it out Feb 27 07:58:18 it says 5 out of 16 hunks FAILED Feb 27 07:58:19 427 Feb 27 07:58:22 if you do it after you will update to a -0 dumy package Feb 27 07:58:26 lol, darnit still unpacking Feb 27 07:58:30 rwhitby: Shelby Cobra? Feb 27 07:58:33 egaudet: can Feb 27 07:58:33 100% yes with 1 vote, llol Feb 27 07:58:36 about to do aupt here Feb 27 07:58:46 removing a patch asks for a restart of luna Feb 27 07:58:46 egaudet: cant do it now since 1.4 is currently installing =) Feb 27 07:58:52 Kyusaku, must be normal, mine is doing the same. Feb 27 07:59:02 I really wish that my phone would properly boot, in a nice reliable manner. Feb 27 07:59:20 I probably need to do a webos doctor on it, but I don't want to lose all my settings. Feb 27 07:59:25 1.4 installed, preware is my first stop!!! Feb 27 07:59:29 will be interesting to see if 1.4 resets ebag33's gps hack Feb 27 07:59:39 Maybe 1.4 will help. :) Feb 27 08:00:24 Who took a video already? Feb 27 08:00:32 just did Feb 27 08:00:33 hehe Feb 27 08:00:37 oil: yeah, doesnt seem that it works Feb 27 08:00:48 well someone wake up dbsooner Feb 27 08:00:51 and I'm doing AUPT Feb 27 08:00:57 so wait because I'll probably be the first to fail ;) Feb 27 08:00:59 ok.. phones updated Feb 27 08:01:11 need to head to bed Feb 27 08:01:17 i'll play with some patches tomorrow :) Feb 27 08:01:21 You don't have patches? Feb 27 08:01:23 oil: im going to sleep now. 3AM Feb 27 08:01:29 does anyone use on-screen keyboard patch? if so is it worth it? Feb 27 08:01:30 aww Feb 27 08:01:36 can i not make the poll show who voted what? Feb 27 08:01:37 12am :) Feb 27 08:01:44 Eguy: getting an error when i try to install em with preware Feb 27 08:01:49 prob need to update preware Feb 27 08:01:54 Yeah Feb 27 08:01:57 You do Feb 27 08:02:09 rebootin now.... Feb 27 08:02:12 * Eguy is glad he updated everything before the update Feb 27 08:02:21 heh Feb 27 08:02:21 mix-man: did you update your preware before 1.4? Feb 27 08:02:26 sadness Feb 27 08:02:28 mjkjr: no :\ Feb 27 08:02:36 major fail Feb 27 08:02:36 :-( Feb 27 08:02:38 Fail Feb 27 08:02:40 forgot to Feb 27 08:02:41 heh Feb 27 08:02:53 it tells you to, what's to forget? lol Feb 27 08:03:22 I don't see a preware update today, one earlier this week though, IIRC. Feb 27 08:03:38 thats when it went out Feb 27 08:03:41 plus mines fairly uptodate Feb 27 08:03:54 failed on multimod Feb 27 08:03:57 Hey guys, did you see 1.4 was out? Feb 27 08:03:58 ow vido editing works well Feb 27 08:04:07 s/ow/wow Feb 27 08:04:08 .9.28 was 3 days ago Feb 27 08:04:13 No way! 1.4 is here? Feb 27 08:04:17 wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap Feb 27 08:04:18 Eguy: really!?! Feb 27 08:04:24 Nah, I lied Feb 27 08:04:29 pfft.. figures Feb 27 08:04:29 i think my stuck on reboot i am not seeing pluse Feb 27 08:04:31 It hasn't come out yet Feb 27 08:04:43 i got preware 0.9.26 Feb 27 08:04:49 Only one patch failed Feb 27 08:04:49 latest is 28? Feb 27 08:04:55 call duration in log Feb 27 08:05:02 up forget it mine has pulse now Feb 27 08:05:06 update obliterated by user account Feb 27 08:05:08 eguy, what'd you fail on? Feb 27 08:05:12 and home dir Feb 27 08:05:14 ^ Feb 27 08:05:50 howdy folks Feb 27 08:05:50 ouch, ran terminal and went to black pulsating palm screen Feb 27 08:05:56 killed luna i take it Feb 27 08:05:59 which makes since since 1.4 adds that feature, so yay for AUPT? Feb 27 08:06:20 Palm said download speed was improved. Does that obviate Unthrottle Download Manager? Feb 27 08:06:24 Oops I lied Feb 27 08:06:27 installing update again Feb 27 08:06:31 MiX-MaN: you want 0.9.27 at least, or you need to continuously tap the screen while it is updating and installing Feb 27 08:06:31 Couple that are placeholders Feb 27 08:06:37 No errors though Feb 27 08:06:40 oh shoot.... all loaded up, preware here i come! Feb 27 08:07:01 grr just unpack damnit! were just staying here for a little bit not unpacking a whole house! Feb 27 08:07:02 jstop text/layout is broken for me Feb 27 08:07:07 rwhitby: thanks.. i'll download the new one tomorrow and send it over Feb 27 08:07:26 One problem with the patching so far: I had 4x4 v. 3 installed. It errored on downloading with a 'not found'. The patch was apparently removed from the device after that. Feb 27 08:07:27 jstop broken? thats one of my favorite apps Feb 27 08:07:59 it's so ugly looking at a 3x3 launcher after seeing 4x4v3 for so long Feb 27 08:08:22 OH Feb 27 08:08:24 that was the first thing i tried to add back Feb 27 08:08:26 no is now at 90% Feb 27 08:08:30 80%* Feb 27 08:08:30 libglib-2.0.so.0.1600.6 ! Feb 27 08:08:33 got the same error.. not found :\ Feb 27 08:08:33 night, good luck with 1.4 and AUPT Feb 27 08:08:47 ok.. im out Feb 27 08:08:57 hurry up and break yalls pre so i know what not to install Feb 27 08:08:58 :) Feb 27 08:08:59 +rwhitby: i'm hitting your servers now :-) Feb 27 08:09:13 pre is ugly with 3x3 icons Feb 27 08:09:17 Beisdes the placeholders, everything went 100% perfect. AAAAA++++++ Will patch again. Feb 27 08:09:22 mjkjr: I've changed my grep to "-v 200" .. Feb 27 08:09:32 "tail -f /var/log/apache2/ipkg.preware.org-access.log | grep patches/1.4 | grep -v 200" Feb 27 08:09:45 we're up 720 Feb 27 08:09:47 37 package updates! Feb 27 08:10:06 Time for bed Feb 27 08:10:26 time to get some productive conversations in -internals Feb 27 08:10:33 lol Feb 27 08:10:35 New js engine helps Feb 27 08:10:35 Eguy: *slurred speach* but mommy i dont wanna go to beeddd Feb 27 08:10:41 duration in call log failed Feb 27 08:10:47 eguy sunspider results? Feb 27 08:10:56 ~grep Feb 27 08:10:57 somebody said grep was Displays every line in one or more files that match the given pattern. Syntax: grep (pattern) (file1) (file2) ...(fileN). Where pattern is a regular expression pattern, and file1 through fileN are the files to search. Example: grep loomer /etc/hosts desplays every line in the file /etc/hosts that contains the pattern "loomer". a godsend and Virtual Bacon v1.1 Feb 27 08:10:58 Robi_: its already in 1.4. geeze Feb 27 08:10:58 I have no idea Feb 27 08:11:09 egaudet: should I tweet the three patches to remove? Feb 27 08:11:21 tictac: yep missed it on first pass of removing obvious ones Feb 27 08:11:23 anyone else notice that preware was a lot faster in 1.4 then in the other version? Feb 27 08:11:32 rwhitby: what patches? Feb 27 08:11:33 egaudet; put those 3 right here Feb 27 08:11:49 ok bezd Feb 27 08:11:58 toasterthegamer:placebo Feb 27 08:11:59 bedz* ... cant hardly keep the eyes open now Feb 27 08:12:10 me either mixmax... Feb 27 08:12:13 what three patches? Feb 27 08:12:19 imop45 not for me I noticed a huge differance Feb 27 08:12:28 install damnit *sobs* Feb 27 08:12:40 * imop45 was joking Feb 27 08:12:44 lol Feb 27 08:12:47 validating Feb 27 08:12:57 imop /me command fail Feb 27 08:13:00 hide music player failed Feb 27 08:13:08 mine took almost no time to unpack it was quite fast. Feb 27 08:13:24 Robi_: my hide music player failed also Feb 27 08:13:29 Toaster: it is true though...placebo is strong... i think 1.3.5 is slower than 1.2.1 Feb 27 08:13:41 Robi_: the pre has no music player anymore. it has followed microsoft's requirement in the EU Feb 27 08:13:45 :P Feb 27 08:13:47 Yeah I will agree there might be some placebo. Feb 27 08:14:06 rwhitby, yea Feb 27 08:14:06 tictac: bite your tongue Feb 27 08:14:06 I cant get the PDF redux to load hopefully someone fixes it soon cause I need to read my books lol Feb 27 08:14:18 PDF Redux didn't work for me either Feb 27 08:14:19 egaudet: done: https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/9721009484 Feb 27 08:14:32 no pdf redux? :-( Feb 27 08:14:35 egaudet: maybe add them to the thread first post, and what to do with them Feb 27 08:14:44 Toaster: i didnt have a pre from 1.2 to 1.3. when i got it.. it semed sooo slow Feb 27 08:15:09 egaudet; So we should just uninstall those patches before the update to 1.4? Feb 27 08:15:18 i never remembered the menu's taking that long to swipe. amnimations stuttered Feb 27 08:15:27 I got my pre in jan so this has been my first update lol Feb 27 08:15:34 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/poll-2038-a.html Feb 27 08:15:37 not lookin good Feb 27 08:15:43 supposedly the swipe to delete video patch is not needed anymore Feb 27 08:16:01 jhojho its not Feb 27 08:16:07 you can swipe and delete videos Feb 27 08:16:12 Terminal doesn't work Feb 27 08:16:21 i thought you were going to sleep Feb 27 08:16:26 I was Feb 27 08:16:34 intalling update. please remove battery Feb 27 08:16:34 Eguy: ya kills luna for me Feb 27 08:16:35 gollyzila_, yeah you can do that Feb 27 08:16:38 It crashes luna Feb 27 08:16:44 Now I'm going to sleep Feb 27 08:16:45 What, terminal doesnt work?? Feb 27 08:16:46 Eguy your right terminal just crashed my luna too Feb 27 08:16:47 then use terminus for the time being Feb 27 08:16:55 +10 for WebOS Internals and AUPT, I'm counting those chickens now. Feb 27 08:17:07 ill update on terminal in a sec Feb 27 08:17:22 oil, terminus reminds me of Mass Effect and the Terminus systems Feb 27 08:17:32 yay. palm pre ad on tv Feb 27 08:17:44 egaudet: Mode Switcher uses patches for usage in the background. If i uninstalled those patches, should i also uninstall Mode Switcher? Feb 27 08:17:45 Robi_: such a nerd :p Feb 27 08:17:50 Just wanted to jump on and say congratulations to the WebOS Internals guys. Everything seems to be working well. This is an awesome, awesome update. Feb 27 08:18:13 THanks jlund! Feb 27 08:19:01 hey theres a nice little white install bar next to the spinning cue ball. Feb 27 08:19:06 or pinball Feb 27 08:19:06 gollyzila_, I don't get the question? Feb 27 08:19:10 what is mode switcher Feb 27 08:19:10 imop45: it was an epic experience Feb 27 08:19:14 installing and removed battery Feb 27 08:19:37 egaudet: makes u angry or happy, just flip the switch Feb 27 08:19:49 mode switcher is some sort of a "profile app" Feb 27 08:19:49 prefab: me too. removing the batt really helps speed it up Feb 27 08:20:08 egaudet: http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/224544-mode-switcher.html Feb 27 08:20:09 yep, it's flying now. Feb 27 08:20:19 * Robi_ out Feb 27 08:20:29 egaudet: and since apps can't work in the background, it relies on patches Feb 27 08:20:32 if it's not in webos-patches feed or drag and dropped to QI 3.02 or later, then it's not aupt Feb 27 08:20:36 what now iphone suck palm pre's *** Feb 27 08:20:59 lol yeah iphone sucks now Feb 27 08:20:59 egaudet: the application? I already uninstalled the patches Feb 27 08:21:00 wth? Feb 27 08:21:10 well it always has lol Feb 27 08:21:11 starting the phone apps just shows the loading icon Feb 27 08:21:22 capture wit all keys no good? Feb 27 08:21:27 you know... the pre sucks compared to PalmOS's speed, versatility, stability, and options Feb 27 08:22:02 though, palmOS got very sluggish the long you had it. Feb 27 08:22:13 * oil would take webos over palmos any day Feb 27 08:22:48 well slap my ass and call me charlie Feb 27 08:22:59 that mode switcher is apparently using aupt Feb 27 08:23:02 out of 38 patches I only had one to fail, call duration in call log of course Feb 27 08:23:12 oil: yes webos is amazing and my lover, i cant help but long for some of my old lovers qualities... Feb 27 08:23:19 if you insist, charlie Feb 27 08:23:23 * mdklein_ gets the paddle Feb 27 08:23:27 egaudet: look at the poll. what's wrong with people? Feb 27 08:23:36 uh Feb 27 08:23:40 I just broke the camera app :S Feb 27 08:23:46 egaudet: Charlie, the app itself is using AUPT? Feb 27 08:23:49 rwhitby, did you know about the mode switcher? Feb 27 08:24:04 gollyzila_, lmao Feb 27 08:24:13 yes, she got old..and turned into a whore, but she knew how to make me happy.. Yes, my new lover is young and preppy, but kinda a blonde right now ltm Feb 27 08:24:20 jstop is broken Feb 27 08:24:23 I recorded a video an then tried to play it and now the camera app just shows a gray screen when I start it up Feb 27 08:24:25 gollyzila_, the app is just app but the feed from the zip from the link you sent me Feb 27 08:24:31 i went to and extractred the mode switcher patch Feb 27 08:24:33 package Feb 27 08:24:36 Ok, so I have 1.4 running, I went into preware, but I don't see where it says to update all... And some things (like Terminal) don't work? Where did I mess up? Feb 27 08:24:51 egaudet: nope Feb 27 08:24:58 jstop too?? grrr... Feb 27 08:25:00 http://wee.e-lnx.org/webos/feeds/stable/ Feb 27 08:25:16 egaudet: Those are AUPT compatible? Feb 27 08:25:22 ok, well goodnight all.. Feb 27 08:25:23 I'm so... happy :D Feb 27 08:25:28 gollyzila_, it LOOKS like it Feb 27 08:25:30 that's interesting Feb 27 08:25:48 1.3.5-4 of that patch seemingly has aupt-3 scripts Feb 27 08:25:51 the show call duration log patch is not showing up as an update option on my phone Feb 27 08:25:52 i haven't verified Feb 27 08:25:53 raises a chapagne glass** Feb 27 08:25:59 even though I had it installed on 1.3.5 Feb 27 08:26:06 thank you for AUPT Eric! and thank you as well Rod! Feb 27 08:26:11 later imop45, good luck with install Feb 27 08:26:16 I'll reinstall them, then update to 1.4, and be the brave guineu pig Feb 27 08:26:24 Prefab: how far are you? Feb 27 08:26:24 egaudet: yep, they are aupt-3 it seems Feb 27 08:26:36 8 o'clock Feb 27 08:26:41 wonderful open standards in use Feb 27 08:26:41 Awesomesauce Feb 27 08:26:55 that is awesomesauce lol Feb 27 08:26:56 me too. exactly that spot Feb 27 08:27:07 egaudet: did it update OK? Feb 27 08:27:16 odd Feb 27 08:27:20 can't ssh into the pre anymore Feb 27 08:27:21 did what update OK? Feb 27 08:27:30 egaudet: patches from that feed? Feb 27 08:27:43 jhojho: as root or another user? Feb 27 08:27:48 jho: it doesnt wantt to be your whore anymore! Feb 27 08:28:01 jacques: as preuser Feb 27 08:28:02 rwhitby, doesn't seem like it will show as an update until whoever controls that feed updates with 1.4 version Feb 27 08:28:06 its going up and wants its privacy Feb 27 08:28:12 I do not have root sshd enabled Feb 27 08:28:17 ok, night. Feb 27 08:28:18 I dont have it installed, but it shouldn't cause harm as aupt-3 will be able to remove fine at any time Feb 27 08:28:24 jhojho: update deleted my user account and home dir Feb 27 08:28:41 ugh Feb 27 08:28:46 now it's asking for password Feb 27 08:29:15 1207 AUPT users Feb 27 08:29:22 got all patches update through preware!!!! forgot about the 2 from webos qi, i was like hey why is the quick launch here Feb 27 08:29:29 rwhitby, pushed vkb change to aupt should build -0's now Feb 27 08:29:45 egaudet: I'll cycle the builder Feb 27 08:29:49 can anyone ssh into their pre? Feb 27 08:29:53 after the update? Feb 27 08:30:18 jhojho: if you're using the old SSH method, it's probably updated /etc/passwd - that's why we have the new method. Feb 27 08:30:40 rwhitby: there is a new method? Feb 27 08:30:52 jhojho: yep, install from Preware and use ssh keys as root Feb 27 08:31:35 egad. I have not been following up Feb 27 08:31:49 well I have dropbear installed not openssh Feb 27 08:31:53 yawn Feb 27 08:32:05 enjoying 1.4? Feb 27 08:32:15 anyways restarting luna from applying preware patches Feb 27 08:32:28 well I just verified that the mode switcher todaymenu patch is using exactly the latest aupt-3 postinst Feb 27 08:32:40 they actual metion itunes in the media sync option!!!!! Feb 27 08:32:54 AUPT results are 50/50 at the moment Feb 27 08:33:08 hmm Feb 27 08:33:17 hmm i seem to continuously get 'failed to do xxx. read only file system' Feb 27 08:33:19 the call duration does not show in the new phone Feb 27 08:33:31 Most of those failures were user error Feb 27 08:33:31 my pre tried installing the update 4 times Feb 27 08:33:38 How does AUPT work, I ran Preware, but it didn't look like it did anything, I didn't see any update thingy. Feb 27 08:33:39 however mount | grep rootfs shows rw Feb 27 08:33:40 rwhitby: where are you getting that number from? is there a poll? Feb 27 08:33:44 well this guy is good, he's even using the additional_files/ directory in his patch package Feb 27 08:33:55 Woah, I'm getting this when updating feeds. "Failure during 'update' operation Collected errors:,ipkg_download:ERROR:Command failed with return value 1: 'wget --passive-ftp -q -P /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/tmp/ipkg-zrQxsr http://wee.e-lnx.org/webos/feeds/stable/Packages.gz',wget:bad adress wee.e-lnx.org" Feb 27 08:34:17 no movie light when recording? Feb 27 08:34:38 gollyzila_: I just tweeted his address - maybe his server died under the load of @webosinternals followers clicking on it ;-) Feb 27 08:34:47 cryptk: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/poll-2038-a.html Feb 27 08:34:55 rwhitby, problem with this poll is that installation failures (not an AUPT problem) are probably being voted as "no" Feb 27 08:35:30 rwhitby: He's not going to be happy when he wakes up Feb 27 08:35:32 yes, can you change the options Feb 27 08:35:49 call duration messed up so far Feb 27 08:35:54 the poll is throwing people off and i don't think they're voting properly\ Feb 27 08:36:35 someone even posted that they voted wrong bc of that and can't change it Feb 27 08:36:41 * oil gives it a yes Feb 27 08:36:43 i had 0 problems Feb 27 08:36:56 well this is bad Feb 27 08:37:00 0 problems here as well. But I read and listen well Feb 27 08:37:07 I only have one launcher page now Feb 27 08:37:15 wheres the poll aupt worked perfect except stuff not needed anymore? Feb 27 08:37:15 bah ive had a few issues, that dont relate to patches. Feb 27 08:37:37 multimod didn't work for me on AUPT Feb 27 08:37:37 well wirc still works :) Feb 27 08:37:44 anyone else have a problem with multimod? Feb 27 08:38:08 multimod has always caused problems imo Feb 27 08:38:13 AUPT worked perfectly for me Feb 27 08:38:19 that's why i didn't reinstall it after doctoring Feb 27 08:38:39 multimod failed on me Feb 27 08:39:02 * rwhitby notes that oil voted yes, and that's all that matters in my book ;-) Feb 27 08:39:20 lol Feb 27 08:39:56 so mobile hotspot doesnt work anymore? :( Feb 27 08:40:37 i voted yes, webos internals is the *@%# Feb 27 08:40:47 alright, my phone is upgraded and everything works great Feb 27 08:41:21 "Yes" has pulled ahead to 55% Feb 27 08:41:22 The mode switcher patches are not installing through Preware, so i"ll do it though WOSQI Feb 27 08:41:30 can anyone confirm that call duration actually in 1.4? I don't see it in the phone app Feb 27 08:42:03 I just had to sign in and say this... Camera Icon is UUUGLLY!! Feb 27 08:42:06 how do yo see who voted for what? Feb 27 08:42:14 55% wahoo Feb 27 08:42:29 wth Feb 27 08:42:37 no light while recording hurts...... Feb 27 08:42:44 rwhitby: should be able to count one more yes vote as soon as I boot up and update the patches. Feb 27 08:42:51 screen lock is being weird on my phone Feb 27 08:43:08 the icon..looks dated.. Feb 27 08:43:51 people can never be happy... lol. Feb 27 08:43:59 oh noes phone rebooted while patching, lose Feb 27 08:44:16 now its a doorstop Feb 27 08:44:17 Server is pushing 22Mbits/sec out the pipe Feb 27 08:44:18 ok just came on to say that.. UGLY Feb 27 08:44:33 more like fugly Feb 27 08:45:07 rwhitby, has the builder gone yet? Feb 27 08:45:07 patch requst: old camera icon Feb 27 08:45:55 how about mobile tether on sprint 1.4? Feb 27 08:46:31 quick question, I hope you guys can help...my pre (before 1.4) wasn't able to connect via quick install. Any ideas? Feb 27 08:46:39 Terminal crashes my Pre, do I need to put it back into dev mode? Feb 27 08:46:40 Hello all! Is there an ongoing list of AUPT concerns? Feb 27 08:46:48 terminal is broken in 1.4 IIRC Feb 27 08:46:56 Awe Feb 27 08:47:01 1590 AUPT users Feb 27 08:47:03 i think hotspot is dead Feb 27 08:47:07 mobile hotspot service is gone Feb 27 08:47:11 I'd better tweet about terminal Feb 27 08:47:15 flare576, i haven't seen any "concerns" yet Feb 27 08:47:30 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/232820-patches-1-4-you.html Feb 27 08:47:33 jhojho does urs not slide over? Feb 27 08:47:33 so no more mobile hotspot Feb 27 08:47:36 nope Feb 27 08:47:44 look at the msg at the bottom of the screen Feb 27 08:48:08 I updated to 1.4, ran "Update All" and got 2 patches that failed. PDF in portrait and Hide Music Player. Everything else went through without a hitch after "removing" thos patches and then hitting Update All again. Feb 27 08:48:14 my toggle wont move Feb 27 08:48:26 patches not installing just mean the port needs to be updated Feb 27 08:48:38 or the feeds need to be updated Feb 27 08:48:42 (in preware) Feb 27 08:49:02 flare576, good to know :) Feb 27 08:49:08 I did a fresh update of feeds Feb 27 08:49:09 JMyaDaGod: maybe freetetherd needs to be updated Feb 27 08:49:19 flare576, yeah they probably just need to be re-ported Feb 27 08:49:33 gak Feb 27 08:49:36 ok dokey! Everything else was super slick. Feb 27 08:49:42 I can't remember now to get to the pre without ssh Feb 27 08:49:47 they weren't ported with the officially released 1.4 so now that it's out, the ports can get rolling Feb 27 08:50:22 hoi hoi, who is responsible for the WIDK? Feb 27 08:50:56 airmack: the community of webos-internals developers Feb 27 08:50:58 currently there are some errors in there, at least me and Tman ran into it Feb 27 08:50:59 what about patches that updated fine but still aren't working? hmmm Feb 27 08:51:37 in ecore the defintion for TRUE and FALSE is missing Feb 27 08:51:39 yup yup, I figured something like that, so I wanted to drop in and be sure you guys knew :) I'm psyched everything worked so well :) Feb 27 08:51:46 rwhitby: if I had dropbear installed via the old method, is it okay to just install over via preware or do I need to uninstall first? Feb 27 08:52:02 jhojho: you can install dropbear via preware over it Feb 27 08:52:09 i am just editing the wiki to show a way around it, but it would be nice if it could get fixed Feb 27 08:52:14 mjkjr: some patches may not be "1.4 ready", in which case only a place holder will be installed Feb 27 08:52:15 jhojho: the preware versions remove the old versions automagically Feb 27 08:52:34 this placeholder won't alter your phones files, but simply remind PreWare that, when the patch is available, you want it. Feb 27 08:52:37 i cant seem to get 2 patches loose. Match state area codes and timestamps clean..... what should my next step be? Feb 27 08:52:43 airmack: look in the git log for who touched that package last and ping them here Feb 27 08:53:04 mrloserpunk, you can't remove them? Feb 27 08:53:05 reset scroll position, reset launcher to first page, etc. Those patches updated fine but don't appear to be working, matter of time correct? Feb 27 08:53:16 no Feb 27 08:53:33 I ran the EFV and it showed unrelated results Feb 27 08:53:36 success! patches updated with no errors. thanks guys for all the hard work!!! Feb 27 08:53:39 mjkjr, yeah notify the patch creators if you'd like Feb 27 08:54:11 58.82% Feb 27 08:54:23 ok, we've weathered the first peak on the server. 500 concurrent connections, 150 apache accesses/second Feb 27 08:54:27 WebOS Doctor 1.4 is up on plam server Feb 27 08:54:44 sweeet Feb 27 08:54:48 were they aupt-3 patches? Feb 27 08:54:58 rwhitby: nginx I tell ya =) Feb 27 08:55:07 A doctor that is actually on time for once, amazing Feb 27 08:55:10 does anyone have the direct link to download it? or how can one find it out? Feb 27 08:56:00 yeah direct link would be nice - like what we have in the wiki Feb 27 08:56:10 rwhitby: openssh ftp server should not depend on openssh Feb 27 08:56:27 jhojho: we have nginx set up on ipkg2.preware.org, but haven't finished testing the redirect scripts which we need due to homebrew authors with no-redistribution clauses in their licensing. Feb 27 08:56:44 should be able to install dropbear + openssh ftp server Feb 27 08:56:49 jhojho: that's a hint that you should be using openssh ;-) Feb 27 08:56:55 gak Feb 27 08:57:44 fine Feb 27 08:58:04 since the freaking 1.4 install probably removed my .ssh dirs Feb 27 08:59:11 rwhitby: let me know if you need nginx config help. Feb 27 08:59:58 from precentral "Everything except the 4x4 v.3 updated fine. Preware automatically removed it for me (or hiccuped and lost it). Reinstalling from the feed worked just fine. I'd say the poll doesn't have enough options! " Feb 27 09:01:43 so how about jstop now broken by 1.4? one of my most used apps besides preware Feb 27 09:03:00 Hrm Feb 27 09:03:02 Error 4 Feb 27 09:03:04 nothing installs Feb 27 09:03:11 figure a reboot and feed update should do it? Feb 27 09:03:29 mjkjr: no, the poll is meant to reflect the experience of the common user with respect to patches and the overall homebrew ecosystem. Feb 27 09:03:41 very annoyed that my ssh got wiped out Feb 27 09:04:02 mjkjr: it's a pass/fail on how well AUPT is robust against anything else that any other homebrew author (good or bad) can cause things to fail Feb 27 09:05:11 mjkjr: I'm expecting a 50/50 result, and that would be a huge AUPT success in my book. Feb 27 09:05:28 (since there's so many other things that we don't control) Feb 27 09:06:50 quit Feb 27 09:07:00 so when booting up, the pre vibrates once. Feb 27 09:07:04 for no reason Feb 27 09:07:35 is it plugged in? Feb 27 09:07:56 yes Feb 27 09:08:06 charging alert Feb 27 09:08:18 it goes off while booting Feb 27 09:08:30 every time i try to send a message to someone directly in the channel using /msg it tells me bad nickname, i'm sure that's a user error on my part as well Feb 27 09:08:41 been happening since 1.3.5 Feb 27 09:10:06 2000 AUPT users Feb 27 09:10:10 rwhitby, well also I worded the poll a little poorly Feb 27 09:10:28 egaudet: I think it's perfect Feb 27 09:10:55 well people aren't lying when they say no due to an installation failure Feb 27 09:11:38 yep, and that's good :-) Feb 27 09:11:43 some patches just need a re-port which isn't technically AUPT ;) Feb 27 09:12:20 but yeah ~60% right now is goood Feb 27 09:12:35 yeah my ssh is bad Feb 27 09:12:36 yeah, un-ported patches, and non-AUPT patches don't really count Feb 27 09:13:19 nite all, thx again for the hard work. Feb 27 09:15:13 anyone got a direct link to the sprint pre 1.4 doctor yet ? Feb 27 09:15:30 The little present in my notification bar is finally going to be opened! Feb 27 09:15:58 +1 on the 1.4 dr, tried to get it from palm and it served up 1.3.5.1 Feb 27 09:16:19 jacques: know an easy way to pull the link? Feb 27 09:16:34 no 1.4 doctor public release yet from what i understand Feb 27 09:16:39 Kyusaku: no :-\ Feb 27 09:16:56 someone in here said it was up a little while ago Feb 27 09:17:05 im glad to see yes has overtajen no Feb 27 09:17:13 overtaken* Feb 27 09:20:59 "# This release improves the speed of downloading applications and files." hmmm Feb 27 09:21:59 web doc page not taking my serial Feb 27 09:22:10 weird Feb 27 09:22:50 oil: I dunno whether it will drop or rise - early adopters who are waiting up for the update are more likely to read stuff, but also more likely to have weird stuff in place. Feb 27 09:23:51 egaudet: just having a few people in that thread with lots of patches and no issues is proof of the technology. Feb 27 09:24:13 I was able to update 62 out of 64 patches. Not a bad record, but I had to vote No because technically I didn't update them all. Multi Mod and the PDF rotate patches wouldn't work. Feb 27 09:24:13 Greg Feb 27 09:25:13 heh - that's something to tweet "AUPT author votes No in poll ..." ;-) Feb 27 09:25:20 Kyusaku: I jsut checked, the doctor page is still offering 1.3.5.1 Feb 27 09:25:26 in the past it has taken a few days Feb 27 09:25:27 rwhitby, yeah it's the same category mixture of patches touching similar files that have the most worry, and large amount of patches working gives confidence in the technology :) Feb 27 09:25:58 we finally got 1.4 Feb 27 09:25:58 lol I didn't vote... i was pasting a post Feb 27 09:26:20 egaudet: ah, lucky I didn't tweet that :-) Feb 27 09:26:22 though I should vote nob ecause I had that call log patch installed and it couldn't update Feb 27 09:26:24 someone on precentral is saying 60 patches on preware say unavailable Feb 27 09:26:25 so technically.... Feb 27 09:26:26 :P Feb 27 09:26:40 okay Feb 27 09:26:45 update on my ssh story Feb 27 09:26:48 iSmite: they didn't hit "Update Feeds" and obviously aren't following @webosinternals Feb 27 09:26:57 looks like /etc/passwd got overwritten Feb 27 09:26:59 yeah mine ae fine. Feb 27 09:27:05 oprofile was added as a new user Feb 27 09:27:12 however the directory is still there Feb 27 09:27:13 rwhitby, no Feb 27 09:27:19 unavailable means placeholder Feb 27 09:27:25 so need to just readd user to /etc/passwd Feb 27 09:27:26 egaudet: ah, I see. Feb 27 09:27:28 -usually- Feb 27 09:27:31 and do appropriate chmod Feb 27 09:27:39 jhojho ur internt still working on ur pre? Feb 27 09:27:48 ? Feb 27 09:27:51 if there's a 500/1000 uid why not just use that? Feb 27 09:27:53 why would it not? Feb 27 09:28:02 Hi, yeah, i'm actually downloading the 1.4 doctor Feb 27 09:28:14 i tried reinstalling hotspot and freetether now internet not working Feb 27 09:28:23 i think.... Feb 27 09:28:37 s/chmod/chown/ Feb 27 09:28:41 mandaman2k: how? Feb 27 09:28:43 mandaman2k: what's the URL? Feb 27 09:28:47 ok my updates done, cool. Feb 27 09:28:51 it says, Build Sprint.212.254, webosOS 1.4.0 Feb 27 09:28:51 yeah url please Feb 27 09:28:53 cup of tea time Feb 27 09:29:21 mandaman2k: we need it for http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Feb 27 09:29:36 i dont know the url, i'm downloding with the java file from the palm/rom site Feb 27 09:30:01 if you tell me how to get the url, i would gladly give it Feb 27 09:30:22 what url is the download link on Feb 27 09:30:52 JMyaDaGod: oh I have not tried reinstalling Feb 27 09:30:52 where could a post a print screen? Feb 27 09:30:57 mytetherd Feb 27 09:31:02 keep me updated Feb 27 09:31:05 yeah how did you get there ? not familiar with that site Feb 27 09:32:00 Faulty AUPT logic detected... I fail again, who would have guessed it Feb 27 09:32:20 mandaman2k: I just checked the site, it is only offering 1.3.5.1 Feb 27 09:33:55 AUPT removal scripts work on a file by file basis to determine if an OTA occurred on that file Feb 27 09:34:04 but NOT all files in a package are updated wrt md5sum changing Feb 27 09:34:15 according to precentral users are downloading 1.4 dr Feb 27 09:34:55 egaudet: so what would you recommend patchers do then? Feb 27 09:34:59 wow ok I can't get SDL to update the screen when I need it to Feb 27 09:35:02 jejeje, where could I post some print screens, so you can see it, and believe me, me more than anyone wants to give the link to rwhitby, mos of all thanking him so much for the meta-doctor which I use a lot since I'm on a network on Mexico and I use the bypass Feb 27 09:35:04 iSmite: according to precentral, there were users in the comments that were downloading the 1.4 OTA last week, lol Feb 27 09:35:12 true Feb 27 09:35:20 gollyzila_, stop trusting me ;) Feb 27 09:35:31 mandaman2k: if you can e-mail me the jar file that you got (the one that downloads the doc for you) I can pull the URL out of it Feb 27 09:35:42 I can SDL_UpdateRect but the screen still only updates when something else causes it to update (ie I thouch it and the feedback effect goes) Feb 27 09:35:51 really though the workaround is if a patch can't remove, try to remove all patches in same category first Feb 27 09:35:58 hi Feb 27 09:36:33 freetether still working? Feb 27 09:36:39 egaudet: I kinda have to, you and webos-internals are the reason I'm here. Oh okay, I'll keep that in mind Feb 27 09:36:39 egaudet-5 ppl with good post counts say they have it and link to the palm page Feb 27 09:36:40 umm, where does it usually download to? Feb 27 09:36:54 brb Feb 27 09:37:01 ojj, the jlnp file Feb 27 09:37:07 post a link then ismite Feb 27 09:37:08 link me Feb 27 09:37:24 so the video app allows you to upload to youtube but the youtube app still does not allow login Feb 27 09:38:27 Maybe palm commented that part out Feb 27 09:39:32 lol Feb 27 09:39:56 I saw some strangeness Feb 27 09:40:03 in the launcher after patching Feb 27 09:40:20 needed to reboot. video icon was overlapped with another app Feb 27 09:41:58 so where's this mysterious link for 1.4 doctor people are supposedly downloading Feb 27 09:42:04 looks like harmony is still the same version. Feb 27 09:42:41 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p14r0d02252010/sr1ntp140rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Feb 27 09:42:48 that is the doctor direct link Feb 27 09:42:58 thanks mandaman2k for emailing me the 1.4 jnlp file Feb 27 09:43:35 egaudet Feb 27 09:44:00 pumpa1 Feb 27 09:44:15 im smite, i have 65 patches unavailable and have updated feeds Feb 27 09:44:27 put the link on the wiki... gonna try and grab the ones for bell and verizon and pixi's now Feb 27 09:44:39 pumpa1, yes that is expected Feb 27 09:45:05 65 patches have not been ported to 1.4 yet, it just came out ;) Feb 27 09:45:06 lol but you just said when i said that about updating feeds.. Feb 27 09:45:23 or someone in here did Feb 27 09:45:25 i can't be held accountable for what I say at 5AM :P sorry :( Feb 27 09:45:30 lol Feb 27 09:45:32 gah Feb 27 09:45:39 lol Feb 27 09:45:51 ugh i hate typing on pre Feb 27 09:46:07 hehe but yes unavailable category is usually where the not-yet-ported placeholders go Feb 27 09:46:41 and I need some sleep Feb 27 09:46:53 thanks for the link guys! Feb 27 09:47:00 will someone pls sort wirc so i can identify with nickserv :( Feb 27 09:47:05 good night all... if anyone has problems removing aupt-3 patch ask them to remove all patches in same category first and then try to remove the problem patch. Feb 27 09:47:19 wait 1 sec Feb 27 09:47:27 pumpa1, you can identify with nickserv on freenode with current wirc Feb 27 09:47:37 can i get gsm dr to you somehow Feb 27 09:47:40 "Now that I read the Call Duration in Call Log was no longer needed, I feel like a jerk for saying "no" to the poll. " Feb 27 09:47:41 60 available patch updates Feb 27 09:47:44 probably most of the no's Feb 27 09:47:45 here i go Feb 27 09:47:51 oil I suspect so Feb 27 09:47:57 egaudet i can't ident on moofspeak though Feb 27 09:48:15 lemme try identing here Feb 27 09:48:28 " wow, 1.4 is def. Faster! It's what it should have been all along. Can't wait till 800mhz! " Feb 27 09:48:41 what's this about 800MHz ? did I miss an announcement? Feb 27 09:48:47 whoa Feb 27 09:48:57 javascript is a LOT faster in webos 1.4 Feb 27 09:49:11 alright I'm gone, night Feb 27 09:49:13 someone said new v8 version Feb 27 09:49:14 v8? Feb 27 09:49:16 the audio bug from the early betas seems to be fixed in 1.4.0, but the canvas over each other is still there Feb 27 09:49:19 night Feb 27 09:49:30 v8 = javascript interpreter Feb 27 09:49:35 its the same one chrome uses Feb 27 09:49:38 yes Feb 27 09:49:39 as far as I can tell, sprint is the only carrier with a doc out Feb 27 09:49:46 is it using it? Feb 27 09:49:50 kk bb ussing pre in toilet rofl Feb 27 09:49:52 webos does, yes Feb 27 09:49:59 couldn't extrapolate a URL for bell or vzw Feb 27 09:50:08 pixi isn't out yet (no surprise there) Feb 27 09:50:35 jacques: there's a homebrew kernel patch for 720MHz and 800MHz in alpha testing Feb 27 09:50:47 if anyone has a doctor jnlp file for anything but the sprint doc please let me know so we can get the direct URL's pulled out of them Feb 27 09:51:13 for now, anyone that is on sprint and needs it for any reason, the 1.4.0 doc direct link is on the wiki Feb 27 09:51:25 WOW, Tweed is taking a huge amount of time to open. Its been about a minute Feb 27 09:51:28 can i have the url the docs are posted on, i don't want the direct link Feb 27 09:51:57 mjkjr: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Feb 27 09:52:03 that is the wiki page with them Feb 27 09:52:15 is that what you wanted? Feb 27 09:52:37 I love how Palm put 'rod' in all the URLs in my honour ... Feb 27 09:52:53 haha Feb 27 09:52:55 yeah Feb 27 09:53:00 well i know that link, i was looking for where palm or sprint would have it posted. want a doc for the pixi Feb 27 09:53:01 I was laughing at that Feb 27 09:53:13 the pixi OTA isn't out yet, nor is the doc Feb 27 09:53:31 pixi ota is out Feb 27 09:53:31 i really like hte new call log Feb 27 09:53:35 since 1230 on sprint Feb 27 09:53:39 really? Feb 27 09:53:42 odd... Feb 27 09:53:44 i swear on my life Feb 27 09:53:54 2500+ AUPT users Feb 27 09:53:58 I don't have a pixi but I was going by that thing posted on P|C Feb 27 09:54:03 nice rwhitby Feb 27 09:54:15 that's what i thought, but it pushed at the same time the pre update did Feb 27 09:54:49 so i figured there should be a doc, unless they could use the same now or not possible? Feb 27 09:55:07 http://www.palm.com/rom/ Feb 27 09:55:16 that is where the docs come from Feb 27 09:58:19 i'm checking it out, have to get my serial number first Feb 27 09:59:43 it is in device info Feb 27 10:01:12 oil: the new call log doesnt show duration. boo Feb 27 10:02:00 http://ws.palm.com/webosdoctor/webosdoctor.htm Feb 27 10:02:06 pixi 1.4 doctor link Feb 27 10:02:47 that's not gonan work Feb 27 10:03:00 even ssh server survived the update Feb 27 10:03:03 Why? it doesn't give any other link Feb 27 10:03:33 because it is a PHP page and it is generated server side depending on your serial number Feb 27 10:04:03 so you caneither save the jnlp file and email it to me or privmsg me your serial (I would prefer you just emailing me the jnlp file) Feb 27 10:04:24 the installer is java? Feb 27 10:04:24 oh, command menus fade in and out instead of sliding Feb 27 10:05:14 yes Feb 27 10:05:26 the doctor file it downlaods is a java web start file Feb 27 10:05:32 the doctor itself is straight java Feb 27 10:06:16 4am, time to sleep Feb 27 10:06:24 has the OTA gone out to Bell Mo or VZW yet? Feb 27 10:06:33 Sprints mobile broadband is a joke Feb 27 10:06:45 According to PC i don't think so Feb 27 10:06:50 MetaView: yeah, preware-installed ssh servers work fine across 1.4 OTA Feb 27 10:08:43 there is a serious bug in 1.4, it breaks MapTool Feb 27 10:08:55 MetaView: ouch Feb 27 10:09:53 media sync still shows up as an option when I plug usb in Feb 27 10:09:57 how do I disable it again? Feb 27 10:09:59 rwhitby: have you ever thought that they released the OTA when they did so that you would be online for it? Feb 27 10:10:05 I mean they name the docs after you... Feb 27 10:10:06 lol Feb 27 10:11:27 shower time then i gotta send my busted innocase back to america lol Feb 27 10:11:32 best not cost loads Feb 27 10:11:35 bbl Feb 27 10:11:46 iSmite: has 1.4 come out for you? Feb 27 10:12:12 yeah Feb 27 10:12:29 this morning early bout 7 am Feb 27 10:13:00 i dont know where i stand as official or unofficial because here you cn only get palm pre on o2 contract and i have it on pre pay by entering apn Feb 27 10:13:13 cryptk: I already know that Palm does just about everything for my maximum convenience ;-) Feb 27 10:13:14 so right network but unofficial plan Feb 27 10:13:35 ahh, I was just curious if you could check and see if there was a doctor out for you yet Feb 27 10:13:43 yeah hang on Feb 27 10:13:53 www.palm.com/rom/ Feb 27 10:14:07 my 1.4 pixi doctor is only about 50% done downloading, sprint mobile broadband is killing me. getting cable asap since this contract has been up for 6 months. Feb 27 10:14:25 mjkjr: did you get the jnlp file yet? Feb 27 10:14:31 that is the first thing it downloads Feb 27 10:14:36 that is the file I need Feb 27 10:14:43 not the whole big jar file Feb 27 10:15:00 urgh bollocks i have to take battery out Feb 27 10:15:08 ok so if it lets me get it how do i give u what u want Feb 27 10:15:14 just the initial file from the palm website, it is less thatn 1000 bytes Feb 27 10:15:21 iSmite: you can get the SN from device Info Feb 27 10:15:25 you don't have to pull battery Feb 27 10:15:27 k Feb 27 10:15:51 iSmite: who is your carrier? Feb 27 10:16:03 O2 UK Feb 27 10:16:13 cool Feb 27 10:16:28 just trying to keep track of what people are getting me jnlp's Feb 27 10:16:59 cryptk yes it wants to give me 1.4 Feb 27 10:17:06 but i dont know how to give u that file u want Feb 27 10:17:28 whenever i dl it it just dloads the whole 200mb Feb 27 10:18:13 when you click the download link on the palm site is it a jnlp file or a jar file? Feb 27 10:18:20 before you run any file Feb 27 10:18:28 jnlp Feb 27 10:18:55 yeah, jsut send me that jnlp file Feb 27 10:18:59 don't run it Feb 27 10:19:16 but how can i judt download that without it downloading the whole 200mb Feb 27 10:19:20 I just privmsg'd you my email Feb 27 10:19:20 is what im asking lol Feb 27 10:20:04 ah i got it Feb 27 10:20:08 k emailing now Feb 27 10:21:19 sent Feb 27 10:21:41 pixi doc direct link Feb 27 10:21:42 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pixi/px14r0d02252010/sr1ntp140rod/webosdoctorp200ewwsprint.jar Feb 27 10:21:45 thanks mjkjr Feb 27 10:22:04 any time Feb 27 10:23:02 cryptk did you get the email as i have to go Feb 27 10:23:08 yep Feb 27 10:23:10 k Feb 27 10:23:22 O2 pre doc direct link http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p14r0d02252010/wrep140rod/webosdoctorp100ueu-wr.jar Feb 27 10:23:24 thanks iSmite Feb 27 10:23:33 yay i helped with something :P Feb 27 10:23:35 rofl Feb 27 10:23:53 k shower time then im off bb in a few hours c yas Feb 27 10:24:51 rwhitby: did you notice they went back to p200 for the pixi? Feb 27 10:25:31 not that you were asking me but I did and i thought it was weird, my last one was like 120 or something. Feb 27 10:26:07 yeah, that is why I couldn't find the doc when I was building the URL from scratch Feb 27 10:26:11 they changed that on me Feb 27 10:29:41 anyone here on bell mobility? Feb 27 10:29:54 or Telcel Feb 27 10:29:58 or verizon? Feb 27 10:31:14 so is this not saved on my hard drive like when i download the doctor normally? i just normally get to choose where i'd like to save it, it's downloaded and opened. I just don't know where it is on my pc Feb 27 10:31:29 it is saved on there but in your temporary internet files Feb 27 10:31:46 the jnlp checks for that file in temp internet files, if it is there it launches it, if it isn't it downloads it Feb 27 10:32:03 that is why people prefer the direct links Feb 27 10:32:11 brb, grabbin a beer Feb 27 10:32:21 can i pull it and put the doctor in my regular directory i use for my webos stuff Feb 27 10:32:28 if anyone shows up on VZW, Telcel or Bell Mo please ping me Feb 27 10:32:32 yes Feb 27 10:33:13 well i guess i'll start hunting for it Feb 27 10:33:58 3044 AUPT users Feb 27 10:34:42 rod, that's how many have updated patches? Feb 27 10:36:07 mjkjr: that's how many unique IPs have accessed the 1.4 patches feed Feb 27 10:36:16 rwhitby: any thoughts on the change from 200 to 120, and now back to 200? Feb 27 10:36:19 for the pixi doc Feb 27 10:36:25 cryptk: no idea Feb 27 10:36:44 yes i'm curious about that as well, threw me off as soon as it started downloading Feb 27 10:36:48 cryptk: but it's going to cause a couple of extra lines in the meta doctor to handle it Feb 27 10:37:43 yep Feb 27 10:37:51 I am putting links on the wiki as I get them btw Feb 27 10:41:31 cryptk: I know how to access my temp internet files, but how can i sort through all of those to find what i'm looking for? I have hundreds of temp internet files Feb 27 10:42:19 so far my do a search for .jar viles Feb 27 10:44:31 s/so far my // Feb 27 10:44:32 cryptk meant: do a search for .jar viles Feb 27 10:49:48 Still only 72 votes in the AUPT poll. 55% yes. Feb 27 10:49:55 no luck finding that dang file, maybe because it's almost 5am and i've been up for 24 hours Feb 27 10:51:07 just save it again from the direct link, then you will know exactly where it is at Feb 27 10:51:35 or do a search for webosdoctorp200ewwsprint.jar on your whole comp Feb 27 10:51:36 heh - posting on one thread: "none of the patches work for the new OS!" Feb 27 10:51:48 I know i could do it that way, i'm just tired of downloading with sprint mobile broadband lol, but ok i'll do it Feb 27 10:52:08 rwhitby: that's great, i'm sure they'll get flamed on there Feb 27 10:52:10 mjkjr: just do a file search for webosdoctorp200ewwsprint.jar throughout the whole comp Feb 27 10:52:14 it will find it Feb 27 10:53:42 searching now, i'm not blaming my difficulties with doing something simple on lack of sleep but it's definately not helping Feb 27 10:54:00 haha Feb 27 11:00:06 I love the new loading card thing Feb 27 11:00:45 i heard some negative stuff about it, but i really like it too, gives it the illusion of being faster Feb 27 11:01:55 mjkjr: I haven't noticed apps loading any faster/slower but I like it Feb 27 11:02:04 what have you heard bad about it? Feb 27 11:02:46 cryptk: same here. heard complaints about the camera icon too but i could care less about that Feb 27 11:02:47 I want to make an app that I can hit a button and place an order for e-cig equipment with it... Feb 27 11:02:53 yeah, brb Feb 27 11:05:15 Holy crap! They changed somethin! Feb 27 11:05:31 Just launched glyder2 with preware and wirc going... Feb 27 11:05:51 i didn Feb 27 11:05:51 Couldn't launch glyder before with anything open... Feb 27 11:06:07 *i didn't know that wirc wouldn't work Feb 27 11:06:21 oh nvm i folow now Feb 27 11:07:01 3385 AUPT users Feb 27 11:07:11 They made some kind of ninja memory management change Feb 27 11:07:28 I wish I knew how many cards I could open before... Feb 27 11:07:37 Wonder if we can get more now Feb 27 11:07:44 cryptk|wirc: more aggressive GC now Feb 27 11:08:03 one reason that I was pulling my hair out trying to find a preware bug a week before release Feb 27 11:08:33 i always got mixed results on how many i could open depending on what cards were open Feb 27 11:08:34 Ahh, would the new GC have killed preware? Feb 27 11:09:01 not killed it - you just had to keep tapping the screen when updating if you had big feeds and a slow connection Feb 27 11:09:20 Yeah, you would have to open multiple of the same thing right off a fresh reboot to be able to compare at all Feb 27 11:09:30 Some apps use more mem than others Feb 27 11:10:18 was that the issue that started all the rumors on PC initially with the thread by powerbyte Feb 27 11:11:15 weird... my pre jsut slept... as in screen off, but wouldn't wake... Feb 27 11:11:33 hit power button and it turned on... seems it went to "super sleep" lol Feb 27 11:12:02 mjkjr: yeah, but it did not affect AUPT at all Feb 27 11:12:08 I've had that before, like it was delayed. Just uploaded my first test video to facebook, cool Feb 27 11:13:18 rwhitby: who is your carrier? Feb 27 11:13:31 cryptk|wirc: Vodafone Feb 27 11:13:33 or do you only have dev phones? Feb 27 11:13:35 ahh Feb 27 11:13:40 so you have a GSM unlocked then? Feb 27 11:13:56 I have 2 GSM unlocked and one Sprint Pre with a clean unused ESN. Feb 27 11:14:11 ahh Feb 27 11:14:17 so which doctor do you use then? Feb 27 11:14:28 Sprint and O2 Feb 27 11:14:37 ahh Feb 27 11:14:51 So I get access to both .us and .eu app catalogs Feb 27 11:14:57 coulda asked you for the O2 doc link then, lol Feb 27 11:16:15 hello everybody. thanks for all the hard work getting things going with 1.4 Feb 27 11:17:00 how's it all turning out acrazypenguin ? Feb 27 11:18:51 I guess that means good Feb 27 11:19:02 mostly good auto patch was smooth except my phone is resetting to 3 launcher pages & dumping all dl'ed apps back to page 1 on luna reset or restart Feb 27 11:19:23 hmmm why did I woke up? :S Feb 27 11:20:53 http://forums.precentral.net/2253936-post1.html <- looks like someone found the links Feb 27 11:28:57 JayCanuck: Thanks for the great work. Feb 27 11:30:08 mjkjr-wirc: test Feb 27 11:31:06 cryptk: are you here? how do i put the l in my device nick Feb 27 11:31:21 what do you mean the l Feb 27 11:31:27 you mean the |? Feb 27 11:31:44 press the sym key, it is in there Feb 27 11:31:48 yeah that lol, i couldn't find the symbol so that was the closest Feb 27 11:31:53 or on a desktop shift + \ Feb 27 11:32:30 thanks for figuring out what i meant with my crappy question Feb 27 11:42:58 np Feb 27 11:52:50 3862 AUPT users Feb 27 11:53:53 traffic is still twice normal peak Feb 27 12:07:01 rwhitby: how are you with css? Feb 27 12:07:14 I am having a problem getting orientation to work right and I think it is a CSS problem Feb 27 12:07:40 wondering if you had a minute to possibly help me out since the 1.4 rush is over (as far as IRC chat is concerned) Feb 27 12:08:31 cryptk: I'm not a JS/CSS guy Feb 27 12:08:36 damn... Feb 27 12:08:44 I have been mesing with this for hours and i can't get it right Feb 27 12:08:54 you have a chance to look at that jps method yet? Feb 27 12:23:37 jps looks right to me Feb 27 12:23:47 4200 AUPT users Feb 27 12:32:15 number just keeps climbing! Feb 27 12:36:32 yes we in Germany are up now Feb 27 12:36:45 It is 130pm here right now... Feb 27 12:36:54 just finished my update to 1.4 Feb 27 12:37:21 AUPT worked without problems and the blink notify patch for germany was not reinstalled Feb 27 12:37:27 as it shoud as not needed anymore Feb 27 12:38:39 hape: please get all in Germany to vote in http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/232820-patches-1-4-you.html Feb 27 12:38:57 rwhitby: have you tried calling it? Feb 27 12:39:00 4413 AUPT users Feb 27 12:39:24 4414 in like 5 minutes Feb 27 12:39:25 =) Feb 27 12:39:26 rwhitby: luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.upstartmgr/jps '{}' returns "** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":false,"errorCode":-1,"errorText":"Method \"jps\" with signature \"s\" on interface \"org.json\" doesn't exist\n"}" Feb 27 12:39:36 hape: also advise German users to follow @webosinternals on twitter Feb 27 12:39:52 hape: and check the messages for last 12 hours for hints Feb 27 12:40:07 hang on a sec... Feb 27 12:40:08 so is there any 'commented out candy in the new release thats pretty noteworthy? Feb 27 12:40:45 rwhitby: voted a scond ago Feb 27 12:40:56 download need for speed right now Feb 27 12:41:00 rwhitby: yep.. upstart still doesn't install right on the emu Feb 27 12:41:24 cryptk: it's probably not built for i686 Feb 27 12:41:27 I update it and then close/reopen preware and it prompts me to update it again Feb 27 12:41:37 lemme try calling it on the device then Feb 27 12:41:45 egaudet under the patches no longer needed, the notifications one is among them as well right? Feb 27 12:42:06 in ur thread patches, 1.4 and you Feb 27 12:42:10 hape: I'm expecting the votes for German AUPT to be much more "Yes", cause in my experience German nerds are more likely to read instructions than American nerds ;-) Feb 27 12:42:53 rwhitby: that seems to be the case... it isn't built for the emu Feb 27 12:43:12 rwhitby: any way we can fix that so i can develope on the desktop instead of on the pre Feb 27 12:43:23 cryptk: maybe Feb 27 12:43:58 cryptk: did you install the _i686 package ? Feb 27 12:44:18 Good morning everyone. Feb 27 12:44:39 cryptk: did you set the testing feed to the right arch for the i686 emulator instead of armv7 ? Feb 27 12:44:43 Ron001: g'day Feb 27 12:45:04 rwhitby: I believe so... lemme check Feb 27 12:46:02 I know that the upstart that is on there now works great Feb 27 12:46:59 cryptk: what's the second line in your testing feed conf? Feb 27 12:48:31 I had it wrong... Feb 27 12:48:34 darn Feb 27 12:50:20 server connections are starting to ramp up again as .eu comes online Feb 27 12:52:27 does the install update part take a long time. i saw it update the bar go all the way around and then the palm logo flashed and now its doing install update again Feb 27 12:52:38 did my phone just f up =( Feb 27 12:53:06 nope Feb 27 12:53:09 you are fine Feb 27 12:53:11 that's normal Feb 27 12:53:13 just let it finish Feb 27 12:53:14 just be patient Feb 27 12:53:17 any idea on the estimated time? Feb 27 12:53:21 yeah i wasnt goin gto do anything Feb 27 12:53:22 takes a while Feb 27 12:53:33 patience young patawan Feb 27 12:53:35 while = 10 minutes? 1 hr? Feb 27 12:53:42 I think it was about ten minutes after the progress bar finished Feb 27 12:53:51 ok cool Feb 27 12:53:58 it will sit at the Palm logo for quite a while, don't mess with it Feb 27 12:54:05 its not on palm logo Feb 27 12:54:17 its on the installing update part with the spinning animation thing Feb 27 12:54:22 without a progress bar Feb 27 12:54:23 yes Feb 27 12:54:25 ok Feb 27 12:54:44 just wanted to verify that part, last time it happened i ended up with a weird palm.com/rom error or something Feb 27 12:54:49 wanted to make sure im not in line for that again Feb 27 12:54:50 lol Feb 27 12:55:37 patience is lost on my generation, so im stuck figuring out what to do til this finishes haha Feb 27 12:56:20 4700 AUPT users Feb 27 12:57:57 Is Terminal working for you? Feb 27 12:58:11 hape: you should follow @webosinternals on twitter ... Feb 27 12:58:12 For me it hangs at the startup animation and the luna restarts Feb 27 12:58:19 Terminus is workin Feb 27 12:58:33 all these questions have been answered there in the last 12 hours Feb 27 12:59:03 * rwhitby does a partial erase and meta-doctor on his main Pre after the accidental Palm profile reset earlier today Feb 27 13:00:28 I find all the "zomg 1.4 is so much faster" posts amusing. Feb 27 13:00:30 rwhitby: I checked http://twitter.com/WebOSInternals for the last 12 hours and can anot find terminal mentiont there Feb 27 13:01:05 http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/9721843860 Feb 27 13:01:36 hape: 4 hours ago ;-) Feb 27 13:09:56 rwhitby: got it, sorry Feb 27 13:13:00 Hello! Feb 27 13:16:28 5072 AUPT users Feb 27 13:17:15 nobody on? Feb 27 13:17:22 LarrySteeze: nope Feb 27 13:17:27 lol Feb 27 13:17:52 whats up rod Feb 27 13:18:33 hey zonyl Feb 27 13:18:33 LarrySteeze: nothing much, still waiting for 1.4 news Feb 27 13:18:45 LarrySteeze: howdy Feb 27 13:18:46 what news? Feb 27 13:19:02 Does someone have terminal working in 1.4? Feb 27 13:19:03 dunno, haven't heard anything about it all day Feb 27 13:19:07 Mine locks up luna Feb 27 13:19:08 gotcha Feb 27 13:19:18 well I'm downloading the update in a few moments Feb 27 13:19:22 zonyl: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/9721843860 Feb 27 13:19:27 LarrySteeze: oh, it's out? Feb 27 13:19:36 yep Feb 27 13:19:46 rwhitby: ;) Feb 27 13:20:09 Wasnt there someone working on an SDL version of terminal? Feb 27 13:20:17 LarrySteeze: thanks for letting me know, I may not have seen it otherwise ;) Feb 27 13:20:33 so once I have it, I'll give you any updates you want Feb 27 13:20:42 I'm actually surprised you didn't know :S Feb 27 13:20:49 unless you were being sarcastic Feb 27 13:20:49 +1 on aupt count doing it now Feb 27 13:20:50 =) Feb 27 13:22:15 LarrySteeze: Im pretty sure Mr. WebOS Internals knows about the release ;) Feb 27 13:22:25 I would have thought so Feb 27 13:22:57 I had an rss feed set to notify me when it was released Feb 27 13:23:03 Unless the packaging autosetup the 1.4 feed Feb 27 13:23:10 unfortunately the beeping did not wake me up :P Feb 27 13:23:53 Hey rod, can I interview you one of these days? Feb 27 13:24:13 LarrySteeze: depends where :-) Feb 27 13:24:21 for my website "StopBeingBoring.com" that I"m starting up Feb 27 13:24:37 it's dedicated to people who are doing interesting things Feb 27 13:24:48 ah, well that rules me out then. Feb 27 13:24:59 webos internals is interesting to me Feb 27 13:25:03 and it happens to be my site Feb 27 13:26:20 * zonyl is trying to the find source code for this.. All links appear dead. Anyone? Feb 27 13:26:31 SDL Terminal: http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/SDL-Terminal-Download-37012.html Feb 27 13:26:38 has anyone heard of anyone's pre locking up at the initial palm screen (before luna)...and pulling the battery not working? then doctor not working? Feb 27 13:27:07 LarrySteeze: I have never heard of a bricked phone ever. Feb 27 13:27:12 lol Feb 27 13:27:19 well it happened to me a few weeks ago Feb 27 13:27:32 i pulled the battery for 10 minutes and put it back in and it worked Feb 27 13:27:38 it was just strange because even doctor wasn't working Feb 27 13:27:39 having trouble with the updates Feb 27 13:27:57 so...it wasn't truly bricked Feb 27 13:28:00 Smubeht: did you update feeds? Feb 27 13:28:21 i have update feeds every time i open preware Feb 27 13:28:28 do i have to do something different than that? Feb 27 13:28:41 nope, that's just the #1 cause so far. proceed :-) Feb 27 13:29:16 my feeds update every time i open preware...even though I only have it set to daily :P Feb 27 13:30:38 what are the plans for grabbing the mic support from video capture to make a voice recorder? any knowledge of ongoing projects? Feb 27 13:31:09 LarrySteeze: Im doing some testing this morning with Ekiga (hoping palm fixed the audio driver issue in 1.3.5) Feb 27 13:32:19 However, I am far more concerned with lack of terminal on my phone. I found the source for a terminal program that Im going to try and get working this morning: ftp://ftp.uni-frankfurt.de/pub/Mirrors2/gentoo.org/distfiles/SDL_terminal-1.1.3.tar.gz Feb 27 13:33:39 zonyl: The sdl Terminal (Terminus) that is in preware is still working in 1.4, only the webosintern Terminla is broken Feb 27 13:33:48 ah Feb 27 13:33:59 audio driver issue? I missed that one... Feb 27 13:34:11 hape: Thanks! Feb 27 13:34:35 LarrySteeze: Using ALSA directly caused a kernel panic Feb 27 13:35:23 ah Feb 27 13:36:03 So...I'm basically 6 hours late to the game...? Feb 27 13:37:45 that's strange...i would think if we were to pull the support exactly as is referenced from video capture that there wouldn't be an issue. Feb 27 13:39:46 LarrySteeze: They use PulseAudio and unfortunately I know didly about PA. Most of the programs I use still only support ALSA Feb 27 13:42:10 hape: Terminus works great! Thank you for the reference. Feb 27 13:42:26 now to see if Ekiga works Feb 27 13:44:34 zonyl: your welcome. The only thing I miss are the arrow key and some others e.g. Str+C to terminta ping :-) Feb 27 13:45:15 I appear to have been disconnected Feb 27 13:45:20 sweet, I can talk now Feb 27 13:45:57 So...is there anything I can be doing to help out right now? There's really no other reason for me to be awake before 11 am on a saturday morning that I don't have to work Feb 27 13:46:27 I'm pretty excited about webos 1.4, but because of all my custom stuff, I dread each upgrade. Trepidation. Horror Feb 27 13:46:38 I gotta wait until I have at least 2 hours free to mess around with it after. :) Feb 27 13:46:46 jettero: just do what I did and full erase and doctor Feb 27 13:47:19 all this AUPT stuff, and I didn't even get to use it due to an accidental Palm profile reset Feb 27 13:47:26 hehe Feb 27 13:47:30 I did have to doctor a ways back Feb 27 13:47:38 I think it was update before last? Feb 27 13:47:54 last update I had serious problems with /opt/, but you thankfully inserted my patch for that Feb 27 13:48:02 you never know, this could go well, but I'm not holding my breath Feb 27 13:48:14 Im pretty excited with the hope that VLC and ALSA works. Having problems getting ekiga to register to my asterisk box though... darn. Feb 27 13:48:35 you have vlc and ekiga on your box? Feb 27 13:48:39 I'm impressed I think Feb 27 13:48:46 how do I moun the root fs in read/write mode? Feb 27 13:48:52 hrm... boxlet? Feb 27 13:49:06 MetaView: there are various ways. I use mount -o remount,rw / Feb 27 13:49:22 rootfs_open -w is the other Feb 27 13:49:24 MetaView: Lose you user account? :) Feb 27 13:49:38 no, I have a DUKE.CFG in the root Feb 27 13:49:50 don't know how it came there Feb 27 13:49:55 and I want to remove it Feb 27 13:50:37 oh crap. I just noticed the updater card is "unpacking". It's not actually running the update is it? I thought you had to click the update cmd-button... Feb 27 13:51:12 wtf. Im not seeing udp traffic? My SIP was working prior to 1.4 Feb 27 13:51:18 rwhitby: thx, and rootfs_open -r to make it read_only again? Feb 27 13:51:39 # mount -o ro,remount / Feb 27 13:51:51 MetaView: for some reason, the -r will cause a reboot Feb 27 13:52:02 yes, just tried it :) Feb 27 13:52:08 MetaView: How is Doke going? Feb 27 13:52:12 MetaView: note that if you're installing an ipkg, wosqi will do all this for you Feb 27 13:52:14 zonyl: thx Feb 27 13:52:30 mine is unpacking as well Feb 27 13:52:41 hape: if I would be able to add the launcher stuff, it would be cool Feb 27 13:52:53 I can control the duke, but it doesn't feel nice yet Feb 27 13:52:55 doesn't appear to have prompted me to ask if I wanted to install Feb 27 13:53:21 its okay though...I did want to install, obviously Feb 27 13:53:39 What would you think is the best way to control a 3D game on a pre? Feb 27 13:53:58 at the moment I have screen controls for turning and moving Feb 27 13:54:06 * jtrucks is downloading 1.4 finally! \o/ Feb 27 13:54:11 and the keys i,k,m,l Feb 27 13:54:32 but the keys are difficult, you will need the thumb for fire and strafe? Feb 27 13:54:45 MetaView: do you have checkd the overlay control for Quake? I think this is the best way to go Feb 27 13:54:48 MetaView: how about the accelerometer? Feb 27 13:54:55 don't know, how is it done in doom and quake? Feb 27 13:55:29 jtrucks: comes as joystick, didn't worked fin in the first test Feb 27 13:55:30 hmm? Feb 27 13:55:41 and also the quake stuff should give you the way for the autostart and packaging. If i have it right in mind it is alny a special setting in the j.jason of the app to get it started Feb 27 13:55:44 [08:55] -NickServ- You may not ghost LarrySteeze. Feb 27 13:55:47 * MetaView goes and checks Quake Feb 27 13:55:58 but there are others here that should be able to give you more details :-) Feb 27 13:56:19 hape: I tried the ScummVM way, the script runs fine, but only from a ssh shell Feb 27 13:56:55 MetaView: did you installed Quake on your pre from prware The contols are geniaus Feb 27 13:58:08 no, not yet Feb 27 13:58:12 I think rwhitby did the packaing for quake and should be able to guide you Feb 27 13:58:22 cool Feb 27 13:58:27 MetaView: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Quake Feb 27 13:58:33 D@mn. Kernel panic again.... I wish palm would fix the driver Feb 27 13:58:45 alsa? Feb 27 13:58:51 LarrySteeze: yeah. Feb 27 13:59:10 :-\ Feb 27 13:59:20 I can place one phone call and as soon as I hang up, kernel panics and phone reboots. Feb 27 13:59:40 MetaView: I think the source of Quake are in the webosinter git repo but I'm not sure Feb 27 14:00:26 6000 AUPT users Feb 27 14:00:33 who will get me this file: /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.firstuse/images/tutorial/landscape_00000.png Feb 27 14:00:51 are people having problems updating ? Feb 27 14:01:11 en0x, you having a problem grabbing the file? Feb 27 14:01:15 yes Feb 27 14:01:21 what's the issue? Feb 27 14:01:33 DrFunk: not really. The terminal is broken and my user account got wiped, but other than that it seems fine. ;) Feb 27 14:01:37 the issue is i dont have access to my pre through ssh LarrySteeze Feb 27 14:02:04 you should be able to grab it either using quickinstall or directly from the doctor Feb 27 14:02:22 i thought that somebody has it laying around Feb 27 14:02:44 zonyl: i ve tried a bunch of times and all I get is checking for updates Feb 27 14:02:58 I have it on my desktop computer...speaking of, on sunday it's going to start rebooting every 2 hours...need to update win7,,, Feb 27 14:03:17 DrFunk: oh.. I updated hours ago. Probably everyone on the planet is waking up and overloading the server Feb 27 14:04:01 guess that makes sence Feb 27 14:05:14 i'd grab it with quickinstall for you right now, but my phone is updating Feb 27 14:05:39 and i'm not by my desktop Feb 27 14:07:12 i blame the 1.4 update for the earthquake in chile Feb 27 14:07:21 lol Feb 27 14:07:31 lol Feb 27 14:07:41 geist: If you have any influence ;), closing the alsa device twl4030-i2s (mcbsp2) causes a kernel panic. Feb 27 14:10:41 adora has influence :-) Feb 27 14:11:02 en0x: Tried dccing to you. Havent tried a DCC in years, but ill see if that works. Feb 27 14:11:10 http://www.nexave.de/forum/38588-ipk-fetcher-der-ipk-downloader.html Feb 27 14:11:14 she started out with one of us...and works for palm now Feb 27 14:13:01 hm Feb 27 14:13:28 zonyl: do you know Lisa? Feb 27 14:13:43 found the reason it wasn't starting: I forgot the & behnd the duke3d command Feb 27 14:13:54 LarrySteeze: Not personally.. Just seen her presentations / posts / etc. Feb 27 14:13:56 the OS was just killing the process after starting Feb 27 14:14:03 gotcha... Feb 27 14:14:18 seriously, if you talk to her, she will listen. It's her job now..."developer" relations Feb 27 14:14:24 that includes homebrew Feb 27 14:14:37 hmm, seems palm prevents the update if you are outside germany/UK ? Feb 27 14:15:02 jojoerk, you could always download the doctor Feb 27 14:17:01 hey, my phone is rebooting. I wonder why ... Feb 27 14:18:09 LarrySteeze, yeah, doing that now Feb 27 14:18:27 nt4cats, what were you just doing? Feb 27 14:18:49 nt4cats: just downloading a webOS update, that's all Feb 27 14:19:07 s/nt4cats/LarrySteeze/ Feb 27 14:19:07 actually, anyone have a url for it? It's not on the wiki Feb 27 14:19:07 nt4cats meant: LarrySteeze: just downloading a webOS update, that's all Feb 27 14:19:13 did you click install? Feb 27 14:19:21 LarrySteeze: yes Feb 27 14:19:29 that's why it rebooted Feb 27 14:19:33 it's installing the update... Feb 27 14:19:35 :-\ Feb 27 14:19:41 zonyl, can you send it again Feb 27 14:19:43 LarrySteeze: sorry, the "I wonder why..." was just sarcastic/silly Feb 27 14:19:53 gotcha Feb 27 14:20:05 sorry. I've worked tech support before Feb 27 14:20:15 you wouldn't believe some of the stories I have Feb 27 14:20:30 nm, found it Feb 27 14:20:38 like a guy who complained his computer stopped working when he plugged his new printer in Feb 27 14:20:51 because he unplugged his computer to plug in his printer :-( Feb 27 14:21:06 LarrySteeze: I've been there, my freind. Feb 27 14:21:11 * nt4cats will brb Feb 27 14:21:46 Hello all - would someone mind helping a newbie with a couple pre 1.4 upgrade questions? Feb 27 14:21:47 rwhitby: now I'm able to start the game from the launcher, how to create an ipk? Feb 27 14:21:48 * LarrySteeze can't wait until the palm pad Feb 27 14:22:09 wp105: what are your questions? Feb 27 14:22:46 I'm sure if I can't answer for you, there are plenty of people here who can Feb 27 14:22:52 Thank you Larry. How has AUPT worked for most. I only have 8 patches installed, but am particularly concerned about SMS Tone per Contact with the 1.4 changes to notifications. Feb 27 14:23:03 MetaView: git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:preware/build.git Feb 27 14:23:56 from what I understand, patch updates have worked fine. Also, from what I understand, the 1.4 update only really changes the led notification...so I wouldn't expect an issue Feb 27 14:24:02 MetaView: then take a look at apps/sdlquake/Makefile or the others and create a new one under unrelease/duke3d/Makefile Feb 27 14:24:10 that being said, I haven't heard any reports about that specifically Feb 27 14:24:21 Great. Finally, what is the best way to update, wifi or ota? Feb 27 14:24:28 wifi Feb 27 14:24:42 ota would use the cell network Feb 27 14:24:57 zonyl, looks like there is some issues with that dcc it's "stalled" Feb 27 14:24:57 wifi is much faster...unless you're on a 9600 baud modem :P Feb 27 14:25:13 LOL - those still around?? Thank you for your time and help. This group here is the best. Feb 27 14:25:19 does anyone else have a different answer than I supplied for wp105? Feb 27 14:25:45 I was being sarcastic about the 9600 baud :P Feb 27 14:25:56 I figured Feb 27 14:26:12 en0x: yah, havent done a dcc in a long while. I probably need some sort of port trigger etc.. Feb 27 14:26:14 if you were using that...you'd have other issues to deal with Feb 27 14:26:15 rwhitby: if i look into sdlddom makefile, I can#t see what is doing the ipk Feb 27 14:26:27 I used this makefile as starter for Duke Feb 27 14:26:41 zonyl, maybe u can upload it to some imaging site? Feb 27 14:26:42 MetaView the support/package.mk include does the packaging Feb 27 14:27:01 Thanks again Larry. Were there any AUPT issues you are aware of? Feb 27 14:27:12 ok, no package.mk Feb 27 14:27:17 well my 1.4 update is finally done installing Feb 27 14:27:17 will add it Feb 27 14:27:20 hmmmm Feb 27 14:27:27 my official opinion --preware-bootstrap is handy Feb 27 14:27:29 and it's been booting luna for about 6 minutes Feb 27 14:27:43 wp105: http://twitter.com/WebOSInternals Feb 27 14:27:46 so as soon as mine is done, I'll be able to tell you...it's taking longer than I expected Feb 27 14:28:08 LarrySteeze: mine didn't seem to take too long to boot, but I was yelling at my kids while it was booting so I may not have noticed Feb 27 14:28:16 lol Feb 27 14:28:27 rwhitby - Thank you. Ive seen your posts out there on pre-central. Appreciate all the hard work you and the group have done. Feb 27 14:28:46 well...I'm trying to avoid pulling the battery...especially on first boot.... Feb 27 14:29:08 Good luck Larry. Im about to start the update now. Feb 27 14:29:10 Sweet! Feb 27 14:29:13 I'm up! Feb 27 14:29:21 longest luna boot ever! Feb 27 14:29:32 LarrySteeze: This morning 4:00am (check for updates, download) MW2 5:00am (install) MW2 6:00am (done) ;) Feb 27 14:29:58 yeah...but how long between finished installing, kernel boot, and luna boot? Feb 27 14:30:19 LarrySteeze: About 3 deathmatches ;) Feb 27 14:30:19 it was about a 10 minute boot for JUST luna Feb 27 14:30:25 wow Feb 27 14:30:33 deathmatches in....? Feb 27 14:30:46 Modern Warfare 2 ;) Feb 27 14:30:52 console? Feb 27 14:31:06 Yep. Whenever I need time to pass quickly, its a good bet. Feb 27 14:31:12 which console Feb 27 14:31:22 360 Feb 27 14:31:28 add me Feb 27 14:31:33 gamertag: laser712 Feb 27 14:33:47 did I disconnect again? Feb 27 14:33:54 or can people read me? Feb 27 14:34:11 yes Feb 27 14:34:12 LS: i see you Feb 27 14:34:14 sweet Feb 27 14:34:41 whoo Feb 27 14:34:44 some icon changes Feb 27 14:36:15 so did AUPT work for 1.4 or should I remove everything? ;) Feb 27 14:36:23 cal__: http://twitter.com/WebOSInternals Feb 27 14:36:30 thx Feb 27 14:37:02 you should write a script so that if anyone says "aupt work" it auto-replies with that, rwhitby :P Feb 27 14:37:07 looks promising! Feb 27 14:37:17 7000 AUPT users so far Feb 27 14:37:33 or change the channel topic Feb 27 14:37:50 rwhitby: is there a way to know which patches I have installed that are not AUPT? (either haven't been converted yet or will never be) Feb 27 14:37:54 unfortunately, most people that are going to ask if aupt works probably won't be reading the topic Feb 27 14:38:58 Well, just hit the Download Now button with all patches installed. Fingers crossed, and will post my results to pre-central. Thanks for your help all. Feb 27 14:39:19 wp105: you had all your patches updated, right? Feb 27 14:40:57 Everything updated - I check preware daily, and all was up to date as of this morning. Also double checked preware version was .28 Feb 27 14:41:27 So.... borked my phone. Feb 27 14:41:33 zsoc: :( Feb 27 14:41:43 zsoc: the good news is you probably won't have to kick en0x today ... Feb 27 14:42:06 could everyone who has used AUPT please vote at http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/232820-patches-1-4-you.html Feb 27 14:43:26 nt4cats: lol yes very true Feb 27 14:44:03 I did a full erase and doctor to my phone on Thursday so that I'd be starting 'clean' with 1.4. I have/had complete confidence in AUPT, but I had done enough tinkering with my phone that it was time to clean it up. Feb 27 14:44:09 Is 1.4 doctor available yet? Feb 27 14:44:19 Wait...over 6000 people have used aupt? Feb 27 14:44:20 zsoc_webchat: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Feb 27 14:44:39 rwhitby: thank you rod :p Feb 27 14:44:49 LarrySteeze: 7128 unique IP addresses have accessed the 1.4 patches feed in the last 12 hours Feb 27 14:45:04 wow Feb 27 14:45:20 I'm about to start installing patches, and I'm wondering if the dummy/empty patches that 'come along' with AUPT for patches that aren't 1.4-ready show up in my "available" list? Feb 27 14:45:33 I imagine some are from VM's but still Feb 27 14:45:39 hooray for 20mb connection and 1 minute doctor download Feb 27 14:45:59 zsoc: I have 20MB FIOS -- I agree Feb 27 14:46:31 I found the 1.4 release notes an interesting read. http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/50607_en.html#1401 Feb 27 14:46:44 * LarrySteeze didn't know fios had internet that fast Feb 27 14:47:04 LarrySteeze: I think they offer 50MB now Feb 27 14:47:13 wow...I'm surprised Feb 27 14:47:29 rwhitby: i reckon multimod is the biggest issue, everyone had it and it borked on 1.4 Feb 27 14:47:32 I'd like to be one of Google's guinea pigs for their new internet Feb 27 14:49:05 glad I got rid of multi mod prior to 1.4, thanks to egaudet Feb 27 14:49:33 I have to go get the bagels, bbl Feb 27 14:50:16 haha what the heck... *reboots phone* Feb 27 14:50:22 anyone tested out the flash? thoughts? Feb 27 14:50:35 any non-palm apps don't show up in the launcher, but their "slots" are there Feb 27 14:50:49 that's strange Feb 27 14:53:21 anyone had problems with the phone not coming offline with 1.4? Feb 27 14:53:29 indeed, hoping a reboot will fix Feb 27 14:53:34 hmm Feb 27 14:53:36 that's not to you jbj Feb 27 14:53:59 gizmodo claims flash is on webos now... Feb 27 14:54:25 * rwhitby choose the right time to send http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/9731624379 Feb 27 14:54:34 I see that it's not true though Feb 27 14:56:20 looks like mytether is not working in 1.4 Feb 27 14:57:11 cal__: that's a surprise. it's always been such a stable program in the past ... Feb 27 14:57:16 lol Feb 27 14:57:31 rwhitby: lol Feb 27 14:58:07 rwhitby: but you sort of endorsed it recently, stating they made changes you suggested Feb 27 14:58:25 but he didn't recode the entire thing Feb 27 14:58:27 AnOutsider: yep, you can safely remove it when it doesn't work :-) Feb 27 14:58:27 and yeah, looks like I'll be doctoring Feb 27 14:58:51 ha Feb 27 14:58:51 still not showing up, anoutsider? Feb 27 14:58:59 nah not at all Feb 27 14:59:04 that's strange Feb 27 14:59:06 even apps from the catalog, just blank pages Feb 27 14:59:07 AnOutsider: I endorsed the packaging and security, not the functionality. I think I made that very clear :-) Feb 27 14:59:16 did you try updating all or reinstalling any? Feb 27 14:59:18 universal search returns nada as well Feb 27 14:59:52 simply to avoid a doctor Feb 27 15:00:05 opening cat now Feb 27 15:00:28 hah "you have no applications installed" Feb 27 15:00:34 go palm Feb 27 15:01:24 woah Feb 27 15:01:31 yeah...you may need to doctor lol Feb 27 15:01:50 AnOutsider: you'll enjoy this fact: I doctored all three of my Pre's in the last 24 hours. Two by choice (before 1.4 update) and one by accident (Profile reset). So I never got to use AUPT myself. Feb 27 15:01:59 yeah, typically it actually reinstalls apps from the cat Feb 27 15:02:18 haha I wasnt evenw orried about AUPT (tho it wouldve been nice) Feb 27 15:02:31 I just relinked all my contacts last week, and that NEVER survives a doctor Feb 27 15:02:55 you know...as much as I love webos...I wish I could dualboot android Feb 27 15:04:12 heh Feb 27 15:06:08 simply because of google voce Feb 27 15:06:10 *voice Feb 27 15:06:40 I wish google would just allow it to be integrated FULLY into webos... Feb 27 15:07:14 yeah once gdial pro left the scene I kinda gave up on GV Feb 27 15:07:15 without the mobile site and such Feb 27 15:07:21 I can't give up on it Feb 27 15:07:33 i get no cell reception in my apartment building Feb 27 15:07:51 so I need people to call my voip phone Feb 27 15:07:51 Hmm: http://twitpic.com/15nar7 Feb 27 15:08:04 Hi, sorry for this faq: i have the latest Preware and all Themes uninstalled - do I need to remove the other patches, too, in order to update to 1.4? or is this save now? Feb 27 15:08:15 ack Feb 27 15:08:28 damada: http://twitter.com/WebOSInternals Feb 27 15:08:32 looks liek the app cat is choking on installing a new app too Feb 27 15:08:35 damada: http://www.twitter.com/webosinternals Feb 27 15:08:39 whoops Feb 27 15:09:14 you know rod, could this be the same issue I had when I went down to 1.3.5 before Feb 27 15:10:24 ouch, you guys getting hammered that badly? Feb 27 15:10:31 rwhitby, LarrySteeze: thanks! Feb 27 15:10:40 VincentLaw: 800 concurrent connections Feb 27 15:10:42 too bad you can't set up something like an impromptu mirror for updates Feb 27 15:11:06 VincentLaw: we had a major server upgrade planned for Tuesday Feb 27 15:11:22 great timing, rwhitby Feb 27 15:11:26 hmm, seems down... Feb 27 15:11:45 (including a more efficient web server architecture) Feb 27 15:12:08 lighttpd? :p Feb 27 15:12:20 not sayin you don't know what you're doing Feb 27 15:12:48 I'm amazed preware's getting hit that hard though, didn't know there were that many people. Feb 27 15:12:54 I wish the updater hadn't been so friggin slow last night. I wouldve had my patches updated before people woke up and hammered the server Feb 27 15:12:58 what hits the server the hardest, the feed updates? Feb 27 15:14:46 what category is EPT in via preware? Feb 27 15:14:58 yeah preware just died for me .... lost server Feb 27 15:15:44 yeah, I just restarted the web server to clear any memory leaks or cruft Feb 27 15:15:57 Hey all... (after updating to webos 1.4) When I try to login to my pre via WinSCP I continuously get access denied. Any ideas? Feb 27 15:16:01 server was at a load of 600, now at 60 Feb 27 15:16:02 oh ok, good Feb 27 15:16:26 lol 60 is an "improvement" Feb 27 15:16:35 sure is :p Feb 27 15:16:53 I would freak out if I ever saw 60 on my server Feb 27 15:17:08 MLJ: 1.4 overwrote /etc/passwd - that's why the new method doesn't use a secondary user Feb 27 15:17:33 rwhitby: what new method? Feb 27 15:17:35 xcomp|mobile: it's normally like 0.01 :-) Feb 27 15:17:37 the server's what, a quad core? with hyperthreading? :p Feb 27 15:17:45 xcomp|mobile: installation using Preware Feb 27 15:17:51 so a load wouldn't be /as/ extreme, but still extreme :p Feb 27 15:18:03 VincentLaw: he's running the webserver on one of his pre's Feb 27 15:18:07 rwhitby: ahh, wasn't aware of a new method. Are the steps for a guy with little knowledge to follow on the wiki? Feb 27 15:18:15 nt4cats|bagels, I think you meant Pixi Feb 27 15:18:23 still no luck with packaging... Feb 27 15:18:28 MLJ: Just install via Preware and follow the directions in the package description Feb 27 15:18:41 server's under 5 now Feb 27 15:18:42 rwhitby: so we need to adduser again... Feb 27 15:19:03 xcomp|mobile: nope, the new method uses root, port 22, and keys only Feb 27 15:19:10 8160 AUPT users Feb 27 15:19:17 should make preware into a distributed platform. every phone running preware becomes a server for other preware users, in a method like bittorrent. lawl Feb 27 15:19:21 next stop: botnet >.> Feb 27 15:20:08 rwhitby: nice ... keys are in /var/home/root? Feb 27 15:20:18 is preware going to need to be reinstalled, or did any of this AUPT technology mean that I won't need to reinstall upon updating? Feb 27 15:20:26 rwhitby: great thanks... in preware whats the name of the package? Feb 27 15:21:00 MLJ: I'd recommend installing OpenSSH SFTP Server - it will pull in everything else you need Feb 27 15:21:15 should start a donation drive for preware/webos internals. you guys deserve it by far Feb 27 15:21:30 hmmm Feb 27 15:21:46 can't get WOSQII to connect to the pre and I can't find EPT in preware. Feb 27 15:21:49 anyone have an idea/ Feb 27 15:21:51 ? Feb 27 15:22:50 all y'all need to get off the 1.4 feeds for a few minutes Feb 27 15:22:53 thanks :P Feb 27 15:23:16 hey that'd be an idea Feb 27 15:23:24 upon updating feeds, throw everyone in a queue Feb 27 15:23:25 ok, i'll try the update without removing the patches with EPR... let's see... Feb 27 15:23:35 maintain only like, 20 connections simultaneously Feb 27 15:23:54 then offer "FASTER DOWNLOADS AND SKIP QUEUE" for 'premium members' Feb 27 15:23:56 >.> Feb 27 15:24:11 like mytether! Feb 27 15:24:15 wtf @ my update Feb 27 15:24:20 it finished unpacking Feb 27 15:24:24 and it says "unable to connect" Feb 27 15:24:37 how is it unable to connect when it was already downloaded? >.> Feb 27 15:25:01 rwhitby: Enjoying the FAQ Feb 27 15:25:05 's :D? Feb 27 15:25:27 need to boost infobot's IQ to handle such things Feb 27 15:25:55 Let's get one of those things that spits out little numbered slips of paper that they have at the deli counter to control access to the preware/patch feeds. Rwhitby can call out "now serving #197" and that person gets to connect .... Feb 27 15:26:36 e.e Feb 27 15:26:56 in case it happens to anyone else, using novaterm to pop into the phone and cd /media/internal/ then mv .palm .palm.borked and rebooting fixed my app installation issues Feb 27 15:27:06 server is back down under 1 with 800 connections Feb 27 15:27:22 course though, the catalog didn't redownload any apps and they're just sitting there on the drive, so I'll doctor this bish anyway Feb 27 15:27:27 rwhitby: oh nice. maybe there was just a bad memory leak from the ridiculous spike in load? Feb 27 15:28:40 * nt4cats 's preware is stuck on "downloading / installing Hide Musicplayer App" -- has been like this for about 10 minutes Feb 27 15:29:08 preware should probably say when it's done downloading and started to install :/ Feb 27 15:29:14 did they update the music player at all? Feb 27 15:29:27 xcomp: that isn't in the release notes Feb 27 15:29:28 I don't think so, nothing major at least Feb 27 15:29:42 terrible Feb 27 15:29:58 I wish nanplayer would get released already Feb 27 15:29:58 unless they added support for zune pass I wouldn't really care anyway lol Feb 27 15:30:40 wooo 1/4th done with update Feb 27 15:31:05 I have a bajillion patches to go it seems Feb 27 15:32:31 * nt4cats is ready to reboot his phone, preware won't let me back-swipe to cancel the install ... Feb 27 15:32:50 I wonder if people are aware that themes don't have aupt and are probably not 1.4 compatible Feb 27 15:32:52 rwhitby: great thanks for the help. have a great day. Feb 27 15:33:18 how are they not? Feb 27 15:33:46 AnOutsider: you strip patches now? or leave them in? Feb 27 15:34:06 nope, nothing has changed on that front Feb 27 15:34:08 visual changes in 1.4 - like the phone and messaging app look like they would cause issues with themes Feb 27 15:34:13 AnOutsider: there's major underlying system changes, as far as the browser rendering is concerned Feb 27 15:34:37 nah, there's image changes but themes work fine in 1.4 Feb 27 15:34:41 at least the ones I've tested Feb 27 15:35:05 not sure what impact browser changes have tho? Feb 27 15:35:18 hmm... I'll give it a shot at least Feb 27 15:35:50 they should still be removed before updating though Feb 27 15:36:00 updating with themes in place = very bad idea Feb 27 15:36:06 AnOutsider: well it affected a lot of apps so it would only make sense it'd affect themes as well Feb 27 15:36:17 yeah that's what I meant by they don't have aupt Feb 27 15:36:41 so, I'm resetting in hopes of getting WOSQII to connect to the phone Feb 27 15:36:50 so I can run EPT on it so I can install the update Feb 27 15:37:05 I thought EPT was in preware somewhere. is it in one of those feeds? Feb 27 15:37:07 Vincent: themes are just images though. I haven't seen any major issues. With all updates, image name and location changes do cause some apps to render oddly, but nothing catastrophic and once the themer updates their theme there's no issue Feb 27 15:37:08 I couldn't find it. Feb 27 15:37:24 try goign to list of everything Feb 27 15:37:28 thens tart typing EMER Feb 27 15:37:36 oh, good idea, thanks. Feb 27 15:37:47 since there wasnt an obvious search option... it didn't occur to me. Feb 27 15:38:13 you must think like webos, jtrucks. Feb 27 15:38:17 the webos-fu Feb 27 15:38:25 werkin on it :) Feb 27 15:38:47 eh, I dont blame him, EPT isn't exactly easy to find in preware Feb 27 15:39:24 rwhitby: When trying to install the OpenSSH SFTP Server package... I get an error: wget remote server timed out... I suppose this is just becuase of everyone updating their patches? And I should just try at a later date? Feb 27 15:39:40 server's being hammered, so yeah Feb 27 15:40:03 you can either keep trying or just wait a while until preware isn't being hit so hard Feb 27 15:40:20 I'm just getting to the halfway point of patch updates. thank God for aupt ... I wouldve given up by now Feb 27 15:40:26 ahhh a reboot got WOSQII working. Feb 27 15:41:15 Understood. I'll just mess with it tomorrow... hopefully not to many others are planing the same ;) Everyone have a great day, and thanks for the help Feb 27 15:41:51 i've been unpacking for 15 minutes :/ Feb 27 15:42:13 sweet! Feb 27 15:42:23 that worked. now to install upgrade after reboot completes. Feb 27 15:42:25 thanks folks! Feb 27 15:43:47 For some reason Preware won't open on my phone anymore and when I go to "Manage feeds", it's now blank. Currently it is stuck on "Checking Package "Manager Version" and won't do anything. Any ideas? Feb 27 15:44:47 have you rebooted, gimpy530? Feb 27 15:44:54 Yup Feb 27 15:44:58 gimpy530: you probably need to reinstall it. Feb 27 15:50:28 decimate: unpacking took FOREVER for me, too Feb 27 15:50:43 Just removed it and re-installed, same problem. Feb 27 15:51:11 Hello - went through the 1.4 upgrade, patches installed, seemingly without a hitch. Took a while. Going to preware now to upgrade patches. Preware is taking a while to load. Feb 27 15:51:37 wp105: to be expected. the preware server is being hammered on, hard. Feb 27 15:51:45 last mention was 800 people at once Feb 27 15:52:16 Yeah - hadn't thought of that. Thanks for pointing that out. I actually got an error - connection refused. I'll try again later. Feb 27 15:53:22 Any word on Terminal restart issue? Feb 27 15:53:28 Got in. The only update it shows is Package Manager Service - no patches. Does that sound right? Feb 27 15:53:45 wp105: don't know, I'm still updating :p Feb 27 15:53:49 can't hurt to update it :p Feb 27 15:54:06 wp105: I am installing patches right now, so they were there a few minutes ago Feb 27 15:54:06 wp105: when last did you update preware? Feb 27 15:54:25 Last updated preware a day or two ago - version .28 Feb 27 15:55:03 hmm..dunno then update pms and reload Feb 27 15:55:37 Thanks again for wIRC. Working flawlessly from a fresh 1.4 install. Feb 27 15:55:51 xcomp|mobile: Thanks - will do that now. Feb 27 15:56:01 yep, wirc is the best alpha-level app I know :p Feb 27 15:56:35 that notification sound has got to change though Feb 27 15:56:50 While this is downloading, has anyone else has issues with Music Player (Remix) following 1.4 upgrade? Feb 27 15:56:57 Yep definitely in my list of apps I'd pay to keep using. Feb 27 15:56:58 I should have turned off most of these feeds before updating webos :/ Feb 27 15:57:24 I haven't tried music player but wouldn't be surprised if it had issues Feb 27 15:57:54 Vincent: stuck on "Downloading Fee Information"? I got in earlier then stupidly closed it. Feb 27 15:58:08 It still plays, but the screen is screwed up, and does not list your music. Feb 27 15:58:13 MerlinMM: no, first run after update actually Feb 27 15:58:41 but I'm definitely disabling update-on-startup until the preware servers calm down Feb 27 15:59:41 I hope I can get my computer back up soon so I can resume work on the elementary-based media player Feb 27 16:00:29 hmm, preware has been stuck on this one patch for a long time Feb 27 16:02:00 g'night everyone - I'm off to catch some sleep at 2:30am Feb 27 16:02:15 Night Rod. Thanks for all! Feb 27 16:02:27 rwhitby: Good night. Thanks again for everything. Feb 27 16:04:48 Larry - wb. Upgrade went well, now trying to upgrade my patches. Thanks for your help before. Feb 27 16:04:56 * LarrySteeze is playing mw2 if anyone wants to join Feb 27 16:05:14 np Feb 27 16:06:15 dammit, now I'm sure preware is stuck Feb 27 16:06:30 same patch for the past 15 minutes Feb 27 16:07:13 * iSmite is listening to Don't Stop Believin' by Journey from Escape (Remastered) Feb 27 16:07:14 ;D Feb 27 16:07:31 xcomp|mobile: I've rebooted twice in the last 30 minutes because preware "hung" trying to download/install a patch Feb 27 16:08:11 nt4cats: I've been having that happen lately too Feb 27 16:08:28 shouldn't have to reboot I don't think Feb 27 16:08:54 heh, it says you should Feb 27 16:08:55 nt4cats: That's impossible because it takes 25 minutes to reboot once. Feb 27 16:09:03 Im in to preware - updating all now. Will let everyone know if I come across any problems. Feb 27 16:09:32 iSmite: I like your taste in music Feb 27 16:09:36 getting that 'this should only take a couple seconds, if longer, you need to reboot' message when starting preware after it hangs the time before. Feb 27 16:10:01 * iSmite is listening to The Sun Always Shines On T.V. by a-ha from Hunting High and Low Feb 27 16:10:09 i <3 80s. Feb 27 16:11:22 i went into hmv (music shop) today and bought $150 in ear earphones :S Feb 27 16:11:33 iSmite: you have too much money Feb 27 16:11:36 the bloke in there was talking to my son about transformers..made me feel well old Feb 27 16:11:44 and the comp game Feb 27 16:11:52 i said when i was his age i had a spectrum 128k Feb 27 16:11:58 he looked at me as if to say wtf Feb 27 16:12:09 iSmite: ... but I shouldn't talk, I got tricked into spending $299 for a pair of bose noise-cancelling headphones Feb 27 16:12:15 i tried the bose Feb 27 16:12:19 they were abysmal lol Feb 27 16:12:20 What kind of in-ears? Feb 27 16:12:20 iSmite: they are REALLY nice, I think they sound great Feb 27 16:12:23 and so were the sennheisers Feb 27 16:12:41 monster ones Feb 27 16:12:46 they are amaaing Feb 27 16:12:47 z Feb 27 16:12:47 iSmite: ... but no amount of nice sound is worth $300 unless you're doing studio work Feb 27 16:12:55 it is to me Feb 27 16:13:01 What brand Feb 27 16:13:19 music is everything..and here is a wierd thing. i have aspergers syndrome so when i hear a song i hear all the instruments seperately Feb 27 16:13:23 ^^ Feb 27 16:13:28 so i cant use shit earphones Feb 27 16:13:36 i can hear missing instruments and it makes me mad Feb 27 16:13:45 The brand is monster? Feb 27 16:13:47 yes Feb 27 16:13:59 terminal crashes luna Feb 27 16:14:00 my nubbin is glowing Feb 27 16:14:00 hrm, my update won't unpack it seems Feb 27 16:14:01 ftw Feb 27 16:14:13 ive tried bose, sennheiser, sony high end etc all terrible Feb 27 16:14:34 lol Feb 27 16:14:48 You should have bought UE's if you want in-ears. Feb 27 16:14:59 my friend has etymotic payed about £400 Feb 27 16:15:16 LOL Feb 27 16:15:22 He got ripped off. Feb 27 16:15:31 for studio work Feb 27 16:15:34 i havent tried them Feb 27 16:15:42 apparently they are amazing though Feb 27 16:15:45 For studio work?? LOL Feb 27 16:15:57 yeah they are really weird looking things Feb 27 16:16:02 They are way too inaccurate for studio work. Feb 27 16:16:05 I have a pair Feb 27 16:16:12 hmm Feb 27 16:16:20 well i haven't heard so i can't comment Feb 27 16:16:25 studio work? what are we talking about now? Feb 27 16:16:35 sennheiser headphones? Feb 27 16:16:37 but the sennheisers i tried, a few pairs too were horrible Feb 27 16:16:46 Better than normal consumer products but not for use in the studio. Feb 27 16:16:49 ive had £25 earphones that sound better Feb 27 16:17:15 I personally don't understand why you'd do studio work with headphones...other than recording...in which case my sony studiophones work fine Feb 27 16:17:15 killing ipkg processes does the trick Feb 27 16:17:19 i have a problem..after updating to 1.4 i can't SSH into my pre. it tells me "access denied" Feb 27 16:17:44 tbird02: I saw rwhitby earlier tell someone that 1.4 overwrote /etc/passwd Feb 27 16:17:49 per rwhitby, it's root and keys now Feb 27 16:17:55 You need the new ssh from preware Feb 27 16:18:05 tbird02: I'm just repeating what I saw him say earlier, I'm not an expert on this one Feb 27 16:18:10 * iSmite has iTunes paused. Feb 27 16:18:13 eh? Feb 27 16:18:18 gah script Feb 27 16:18:34 anyone know why i might not be able to run the doctor? application either hangs or isn't rendering correctly, just get a white screen Feb 27 16:19:26 nt4cats: how do i fix this? Feb 27 16:19:45 should I use EPR before applying 1.4? Feb 27 16:19:50 not a bad dl--and seems to be an issue somehow with my env, happens with both 1.3.5 and 1.4.0 versions. can't imagine what'd cause that, though. Feb 27 16:20:01 tbird02: Rod told the other person to install the new ssh from preware and follow the instructions on the installation screen for the app. Feb 27 16:20:21 hmm. that would work if i could preware to load. what is wrong with it? Feb 27 16:20:35 Server is being hammered Feb 27 16:20:47 tbird02: the webos-internals & preware servers are getting swamped with traffic Feb 27 16:20:49 You won't be able to get on the wiki or preware reliably for a while. Feb 27 16:20:57 yeah it is, taking forever to dl like 35MB lol Feb 27 16:21:11 oh wait why is preware being hammered? Feb 27 16:21:17 did u guys not get the 1.4 update in advance? Feb 27 16:21:20 eguy sorry o/t but what do you reckon to sennheisers, i don't get the hype. Feb 27 16:21:35 Some are good and some are bad Feb 27 16:21:37 280pro Feb 27 16:21:42 get Feb 27 16:21:47 Their higher-end stuff is fantastic Feb 27 16:21:58 I prefer my IEM's though. Feb 27 16:22:04 i thought they were awful. really tinny and no i don't mean good clarity Feb 27 16:22:09 just tinny Feb 27 16:22:15 which ones Feb 27 16:22:39 i don't know the model, tried a few in-ear ones that were around £100 to £200 mark Feb 27 16:22:40 corpx: I dont' think that the people who did get it early are allowed to tell you that they did Feb 27 16:22:46 corpx: ... I certainly didn't Feb 27 16:22:58 do webos-internals and preware share the same servers? Feb 27 16:23:00 I have 280Pros and they are incredible Feb 27 16:23:09 they were $100USD Feb 27 16:23:10 are they the over ear sort though Feb 27 16:23:20 they cover your entire ear Feb 27 16:23:27 yeah i don't like those Feb 27 16:23:27 like your ear goes inside it Feb 27 16:23:32 very strange, it wasn't in fact rendering correctly. running it in xephyr fixes it, wonder _why_ Feb 27 16:23:32 so why does Preware fail every time it gets to an unavailable-for-1.4 patch during "update all"? Feb 27 16:23:33 too bad Feb 27 16:23:52 i've had 2 pairs of monsters now and they are the best by far that I have ever heard Feb 27 16:24:00 dunno Feb 27 16:24:15 i tried them against bose of the same price and they blew them out of the water Feb 27 16:24:30 Bose is the iPhone of music Feb 27 16:24:38 s/iPhone/Apple/ Feb 27 16:24:38 Eguy meant: Bose is the Apple of music Feb 27 16:24:45 Crap product that everyone buys Feb 27 16:25:01 wow. 1.4 really is faster! Feb 27 16:25:25 i don't go by reviews any more, when someone with aspergers reviews them then i will read because people don't understand what a good pair of earphones is it seems Feb 27 16:25:31 i dunno if its a cure or a blessing Feb 27 16:25:34 curse Feb 27 16:26:28 aight well I'm out, gonna shower and whatnot Feb 27 16:26:31 http://www.ultimateears.com/_ultimateears/store/custom/index.php Those are the best money can buy. Feb 27 16:26:35 take it easy guys Feb 27 16:26:40 That's all I will add. Feb 27 16:26:57 I think that what sounds good is pretty subjective Feb 27 16:27:07 the fact they have no price scares me. Feb 27 16:27:10 do webos-internals and preware share the same servers? Feb 27 16:27:33 tbird02: They are located in the same place, yes. Feb 27 16:27:41 tbird02: they're run by the same folks, so I'm sure there is at least some common infrastructure ... not sure if they're the same physical boxes or not Feb 27 16:27:47 whats the highest digital music, is it flac Feb 27 16:27:51 best quality Feb 27 16:28:09 iSmite: flac is no compression basically the same as the source Feb 27 16:28:33 iSmite: flac is a lossless transfer from the digital source Feb 27 16:28:39 ok so the original masters...that is better or same as flac Feb 27 16:28:42 ah ok Feb 27 16:28:53 Eguy: I hate apple as a company, but they don't put out crap products much Feb 27 16:29:14 overhyped and overpriced yes, but they make some solid stuff (iPad and AppleTv not included) Feb 27 16:29:22 I respectfully disagree. Feb 27 16:29:36 fair enough Feb 27 16:29:55 We have 40 macbooks for our student's and all of them have had ranging problems from dead batteries to dead hard drives. Feb 27 16:29:58 is there a higher music format than flac..i mean which is literally the best, flac has to come from something right so what is the 'something' Feb 27 16:30:04 Same goes for our iMac's. Feb 27 16:30:35 The defect rate on Apple laptops is atrociously high. Feb 27 16:30:41 I use a PC for my desktop dev environments at home and the office, and a macbook for all mobile things. I haven't seen one fail more or less often Feb 27 16:31:01 eguy..when u finished bashing apple could u answer me as i need it as ammo to argue something with my housemate lol Feb 27 16:31:08 though I have had to replace 2 abtteries now Feb 27 16:31:16 I have a 17" MBP myself Feb 27 16:31:27 i have the 13'' bf has the 17'' pro Feb 27 16:31:56 No, flac is the highest common format. Feb 27 16:32:44 hmm the internet ppl say wma Feb 27 16:32:47 why is that Feb 27 16:33:53 when you say 'common' does that mean there are others Feb 27 16:33:56 It's still compressed Feb 27 16:34:16 We shouldn't talk about this in here though. Feb 27 16:34:42 sorry ill pm u one more q Feb 27 16:38:15 are questions about preware relevant here ? Feb 27 16:38:32 lederman: I should think so :) Feb 27 16:40:02 when i first run prewaare and its loading feeds, first, it takes forever. i get an error following that i think is causing this. the error is so long i can't see the whole thing. mainly what im seeing is this, "connection timed out,wget: cannot connect to remote host (140.211.169.177) Feb 27 16:40:37 i hit ok and it proceeds to load normally. is there an out of date feed that should be disabled? Feb 27 16:40:43 lederman: 1.4 just came out, the server is getting hammered by everyone hitting the server for updates. Feb 27 16:41:19 ah i see. i haven't run preware in some time and this has never happened. thanks for the info! Feb 27 16:41:48 iSmite: the prices are on the individual monitor model pages Feb 27 16:45:15 Was able to get to preware, and update all patches. Everything went to v1.4x. I'm still getting an error message when logging into preware, after feeds and before installing. Anyone else getting this? Feb 27 16:45:52 wp105: what error? Feb 27 16:46:22 It is a long error that I can not scroll through. I'll reconnect and report what I can see... Feb 27 16:47:22 i think im getting the same thing. the error repeated connection timed out about four times Feb 27 16:48:11 lederman: That's it. But I still got my patch package updates. Feb 27 16:48:40 mercury said, " 1.4 just came out, the server is getting hammered by everyone hitting the server for updates." Feb 27 16:48:55 but you say youve updated? Feb 27 16:49:08 im not sure if that makes a difference. Feb 27 16:49:31 Yes - at the bottom of the error message, there is a button saying "OK". I pressed that, and then went through the preware installing cycle. Feb 27 16:50:01 yeah, after i get the error i hit ok and everything seems normal. but it takes forrreevver to get past the error Feb 27 16:50:14 When I got through that, my patches were all waiting in the Updates area. I updated all, went back into preware, and updates is now empty. Yes - it takes a lonnnnng time. Feb 27 16:50:34 Any idea which patches are dummies. I just finished installing and have not had time to play yet. Feb 27 16:51:49 no im not sure. im very new to all of this Feb 27 16:52:23 You and me both. You came to the right place. Everyone here has been very helpful this morning. Feb 27 16:52:29 wp105: You will find that in the patch description. Feb 27 16:52:41 It will say 1.4 not compatible. Feb 27 16:52:48 Eguy: Thnx Feb 27 16:53:40 Eguy: Did you receive the connection timed out error repeated when going into preware? Feb 27 16:53:57 Yes, the servers are overloaded. Give them some time. Feb 27 16:53:59 so, disable the patches that aren't 1.4 compatible and the incredibly long load time will be go away? is my understanding correct? Feb 27 16:54:13 Completely wrong lederman Feb 27 16:54:13 Eguy: Thnx. Feb 27 16:54:34 The long loading time is from server traffic. Just wait a few hours. Feb 27 16:54:34 hah, well thats why i asked Feb 27 16:54:39 ok Feb 27 16:55:18 anyone having issues with 1.4 and the volume changing on the screen rapidly? its super annoying and just happens at random times Feb 27 16:57:52 bendy: I had that happen once when i got rain on my phone. Stopped after a few days when it dried out Feb 27 16:59:20 hm thanks, but I'm pretty sure its not a hardware issue. It happened as soon as I updated it 1.4. Feb 27 16:59:39 ran preware after 1.4 update - 'failure during update operation ... command failed .. wget --passsive-ftp .. cannot connect to remote host Feb 27 17:00:11 (precentral/packages.gz) Feb 27 17:01:48 can't run prewave either. just gets stuck on updating feeds screen Feb 27 17:02:19 are the servers still getting slammed? Feb 27 17:02:28 Yes. Feb 27 17:02:42 Try again later tonight. Feb 27 17:03:01 AUPT worked great by the way donation on the way! Feb 27 17:05:35 i'd donate..but preware isnt working so i can't verify that AUPT works. Feb 27 17:05:56 AUPT works. Feb 27 17:06:17 that's due to the servers being hammered by everyone! AUPT works! Feb 27 17:07:15 its kinda like having a ferrari in the garage. its fast, but only if it has gas in it. Feb 27 17:07:48 and if you are not driving in LA or NYC ;) Feb 27 17:07:54 My little USB cover thingie just popped off. I'm surprised that it took this long Feb 27 17:08:25 @nt4cats now you have great reason to get touchstone Feb 27 17:08:28 I wonder if you ask Palm or Sprint if they'll give youa new one ... Feb 27 17:09:03 I'm sure they will....CS is key Feb 27 17:13:10 I'd offer to spin up an EC2 node or two for the day to mirror precentral the next time there is a release Feb 27 17:13:29 s/precentral/preware.org/ Feb 27 17:13:30 nt4cats meant: I'd offer to spin up an EC2 node or two for the day to mirror preware.org the next time there is a release Feb 27 17:14:34 new emails make my nubbin glow -- I'm not used to it and this is now the 2nd time it has freaked me out just a bit Feb 27 17:25:53 tbird02: It works. I just got done with my 1.4 and patch updates. Got the same error message you did. Give it time - you'll get through. If you click ok on the bottom of the screen with the error message, it will install feeds. You may need to try a couple of times. Feb 27 17:26:27 I've just checked all of my patches - all have updated, although most are not available yet for 1.4. The ones that are upgraded and work fine. Nice work all - donation on the way. Feb 27 17:31:48 wp105: thanks, i will try Feb 27 17:31:54 oh he left Feb 27 17:32:45 the precentral feed is down? Feb 27 17:33:23 yeah apprently the servers are being hammered Feb 27 17:33:56 that means I cant get all my patches back using AUPT? Feb 27 17:34:23 Eguy: so, yeah, Terminal is horribly broken in 1.4 (bugs in the plugin that only appear with the new webkit etc) Feb 27 17:34:48 Yeah destinal-home, immediately crashes Luna Feb 27 17:35:26 Eguy: segmentation fault based on more object allocation / deallocation issues Feb 27 17:35:27 Don't bother fixing it now though, the servers are being hammered so bad, nobody would be able to download it anyway ;) Feb 27 17:45:52 how's the patches holdin out on 1.4? Feb 27 17:46:28 A lot are not compatible yet ;) Feb 27 17:48:46 hurray, time to go and see what palm changed in the lunastats api Feb 27 17:48:57 gotta love private apis Feb 27 17:49:54 gerr, no new devkit for 1.4 though Feb 27 17:51:37 Eguy: umm.. yes they are Feb 27 17:52:21 dBsooner: You notification repeat patch is one of the non-compatible ones ;) Feb 27 17:52:27 s/You/Your/ Feb 27 17:52:27 Eguy meant: dBsooner: Your notification repeat patch is one of the non-compatible ones ;) Feb 27 17:53:03 Eguy: it's very hard to tell when you're being serious if you use ;) all the time :P Feb 27 17:53:08 anyone know any programs that'll let me stream from my tuner card to my pre? Feb 27 17:53:30 Eguy: there are 181 compatible. Feb 27 17:53:32 I'll try not to destinal-home ;) hehe. Feb 27 17:53:50 http://patches.webos-internals.org/?do=browse&webosver=1.4.0 Feb 27 17:53:53 CorpX: I've seen some forum postings that suggest that orb works Feb 27 17:54:11 corpX: ... but I've not tried it myself, I'm only reporting what I've read Feb 27 17:54:27 orb does h264? Feb 27 17:54:56 CorpX: I think the posts said so, yes [remember I've not done this] Feb 27 17:55:00 ok Feb 27 17:55:02 will try it Feb 27 17:55:12 i was gonna go with the adobe flash encoder Feb 27 17:55:15 i think that does h264 Feb 27 17:55:26 will try orb first Feb 27 17:55:48 orb works Feb 27 17:55:51 I use it Feb 27 17:56:16 the thing is, i use the hd pvr Feb 27 17:56:19 so hopefully it gets picked up Feb 27 17:56:23 I have a couple questions Feb 27 17:56:35 corpX: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/188721-definitive-guide-setting-up-orb-pre.html Feb 27 17:56:55 It will playback wtv and dvr-ms files. Feb 27 17:57:06 Hey guys how do you resetup the ssh username and password..I vageuly remember a commad for that Feb 27 17:57:11 is anyone else having their pre complain of a read-only file system when using preware? Feb 27 17:57:20 Was preware supposed to auto apply patches after the update to 1.4 or just list them in the updates? Feb 27 17:57:33 navinag: this has changed with 1.4, according to posts i've seen here today Feb 27 17:57:43 you need to manually update them I'm pretty sure, ryno. Feb 27 17:57:52 you just don't have to move them Feb 27 17:57:54 so how do i do that? Feb 27 17:57:55 navinag: you should install the new[er] ssh stuff from preware and follow the instructions in the application description page Feb 27 17:57:58 *remove Feb 27 17:58:14 that is what i thought i just wanted to check to make sure i didn't need to report any problems Feb 27 17:58:23 navinag: I haven't done this myself, but I have seen rwhitby et. al. recommend it to several people today Feb 27 17:58:24 Of course, I wouldn't know cause I keep getting timed out :( Feb 27 17:58:48 But yeah, just hit Update All and you should be good Feb 27 17:59:08 I need people with 1.4 installed to please go to http://bit.ly/dnl63p and test to see if the audio stream is playing back too fast. It's an AAC+ audio stream. Feb 27 17:59:14 damn Feb 27 17:59:14 My preware is showing that it still has patches installed, even after I webdoctored my phone. Now I can't remove them (since they're actually not there). What's the best way to fix something like this? Where is the patch installed data stored? Feb 27 17:59:19 cant stream my hd pvr Feb 27 17:59:32 CorpX: Did you set it up right? Feb 27 17:59:42 its not a regular tuner Feb 27 18:00:02 question #2 I haven't made patches in a very long time. I made changes to the 5x4 launcher to get a 5x5 launcher and was wondering how I go about making it a patch to be in preware? Feb 27 18:00:03 I know what the HD-PVR is Feb 27 18:00:04 it just converts component out from cable box to h264 via usb Feb 27 18:00:05 ok Feb 27 18:00:11 its listed under webcams Feb 27 18:00:12 not tuners Feb 27 18:00:12 bbl Feb 27 18:00:34 Hmm Feb 27 18:00:53 so this AUPT thing is inherent to recent Preware installations? i.e. nothing to install? Feb 27 18:01:14 inherent to recent patched rather. Feb 27 18:01:19 ah Feb 27 18:01:23 if they were up to date, they have aupt. Feb 27 18:01:23 I'll just remove my two patches for now Feb 27 18:01:27 *patches Feb 27 18:02:42 its seems there are still issues with facebook photo uploads Feb 27 18:03:52 anyone else getting 'no route to remote host' errors on preware in 1.4? Feb 27 18:03:54 There's an AAC+ bug I'm trying to get confirmation on Feb 27 18:04:16 But, my Pre died a horrible death yesterday Feb 27 18:05:23 So if anybody has 1.4 installed (not 1.3.5 because the bug is already there), please try to go to http://bit.ly/dnl63p in their browser to see if the AAC+ playback of the stream sounds like Alvin and the Chipmunks Feb 27 18:05:29 question #2 I haven't made patches in a very long time. I made changes to the 5x4 launcher to get a 5x5 launcher and was wondering how I go about making it a patch to be in preware? Is quilt still the method for making the patch or is there a better way? Feb 27 18:06:16 i have a tuner only in my slow pc Feb 27 18:09:32 guys why doesn't preware work? Feb 27 18:09:46 reality9110: yes, it still does Feb 27 18:09:56 Thank you Feb 27 18:10:00 WebOS-Patches 1.4.0 info: http://bit.ly/cQMvHn Feb 27 18:10:00 server getting hammered Feb 27 18:10:07 not for me it gwts stuck Feb 27 18:10:13 Never used IRC before, so please excuse my ignorance. Headed this way to get some troubleshooting tips on a Preware glitch I got after downloading webOS 1.4. It keeps hanging on the Downloading Feed Information prompt at the link http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/optware/all/packages.gz Feb 27 18:10:15 server is getting nailed probably.. Feb 27 18:10:19 let me go look at the server Feb 27 18:10:33 I even doctored my phone back to 1.3.5.1 and still get the same error. Feb 27 18:11:03 yeah, we have major issues. Feb 27 18:11:09 you didn't need to doctor Feb 27 18:11:20 My preware is showing that it still has patches installed, even after I webdoctored my phone. Now I can't remove them (since they're actually not there). What's the best way to fix something like this? Where is the patch installed data stored? Feb 27 18:11:20 the server is getting hammered Feb 27 18:11:23 how will we fix it? Feb 27 18:11:26 rwhitby, egaudet, oil, someone Feb 27 18:11:34 hello Feb 27 18:11:38 The server is out of memory. Feb 27 18:11:49 Realized that now. Sure glad I nuked a million important conversations, photos, etc. without being smart enough to check and see if it was a Preware issue first. Feb 27 18:12:02 Usage is almost 10x normal Feb 27 18:12:06 yeah, TEN TIMES Feb 27 18:12:17 kx250ryder: error messages explain everything Feb 27 18:12:18 Are you guys able to fry eggs on your servers yet? Feb 27 18:12:32 so preware issue of ipkg_download is a server issue and not my issue Feb 27 18:12:34 There is no error message, it just endlessly says downloading Feb 27 18:12:59 yes there is Feb 27 18:13:05 if you wait long enough Feb 27 18:13:07 How do I get to it? Feb 27 18:13:12 just wait Feb 27 18:13:19 are the preware servers safe for use? Feb 27 18:13:20 it pops up with error saying connection timed out Feb 27 18:13:26 i think everyone should just wait a little while Feb 27 18:13:35 ka6sox-work: ping Feb 27 18:13:44 30 minute timeout or something? I think I've past the 15 minute mark. Feb 27 18:13:45 gkatsev: when they're working, yes Feb 27 18:13:53 Did I miss something? I just woke up and couldn't access feeds anymore, so i was confused because i've been fine since 1.4, i removed package manager service to reinstall it, weboOS QI can't access the feeds either Feb 27 18:13:54 currently not working Feb 27 18:14:14 Dude.. the WebOS-INternals Server is getting slammed. Feb 27 18:14:22 mjkjr the servers r getting hit hard Feb 27 18:14:23 That's why Feeds aren't working. Feb 27 18:14:25 fucking bell Feb 27 18:14:27 Kyusaku: lol, i meant if they are working yet. Feb 27 18:14:29 no 1.4 Feb 27 18:14:34 When I say slammed.. Feb 27 18:14:34 kx250ryder: jeez you want me to time it for you? I actually have a couple more feeds than you probably have so I probably wait longer than you might Feb 27 18:14:36 i need 1.4 Feb 27 18:14:36 dBsooner u need help Feb 27 18:14:45 yay orb works perfect Feb 27 18:14:46 mobgod: We need rod here Feb 27 18:14:46 thnx guys Feb 27 18:14:47 i can open up some pipe here Feb 27 18:14:52 so now that ive removed package manager service what am i supposed to do Feb 27 18:14:54 sounds like a few mirrors are in order Feb 27 18:14:56 had to use tuner on old pc, but its all good Feb 27 18:15:15 mjkjr: why did you do that? Feb 27 18:15:16 ping rwhitby Feb 27 18:15:23 we are talkinga bout 200 access/second on apache Feb 27 18:15:27 Kyusaku: No I just figured maybe you had some information on the timeout since you seemed knowledgable about the server's traffic, etc. Feb 27 18:15:31 is it possible to limit server connects to like N# of people? Feb 27 18:15:37 kyusaka: thought the problem was on my end even though i was fine until now. Feb 27 18:15:40 gkatsev yesx Feb 27 18:15:43 yes* Feb 27 18:16:04 does anyone know where the list of installed patches is stored on the device? Feb 27 18:16:05 "With this release, future occurrences of repeating Calendar events consistently appear correctly." <--- I hope that fixes my obnoxious problems with repeating events on Google Calendar showing up on the wrong days. Feb 27 18:16:06 dBsooner THATS NOT GOOD Feb 27 18:16:07 so, why have it not been done? Feb 27 18:16:09 Again, only Rod and a few others have power Feb 27 18:16:29 dBsooner: is anyone else who has power not asleep? Feb 27 18:16:39 gkatsev: looks like its a typical saturday. Feb 27 18:16:42 everyone is asleep. Feb 27 18:16:44 kx250ryder: it varies on device, but average I'm seeing maybe 10-20mins to get to time out error, but it does happen Feb 27 18:17:15 i think everyone should just wait and chill out Feb 27 18:17:18 As long as the app tries downloading and tells what feed it's downloading, that is a sign it's working as intended Feb 27 18:17:34 Yeah, everyone settle down. Feb 27 18:17:49 let me see if I can get someone on PC.net to put up a post about it. Feb 27 18:17:58 I reinstalled optware via " cd /tmp wget http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/optware-bootstrap-manual.sh chmod 755 ./optware-bootstrap-manual.sh sh optware-bootstrap-manual.sh source /etc/profile.d/optware" and ssh is fine now...just an FYI Feb 27 18:18:05 if it's telling you Checking Package Manager version, then something is wrong on your device. Feb 27 18:18:42 By the way...is terminal app busted for others? Feb 27 18:18:50 navinag: Yes. Feb 27 18:18:57 navinag: Terminal does not work on1.4.0 Feb 27 18:19:10 destinal-away is working on a fix. Feb 27 18:19:15 dbsooner: any word on if it will work? Feb 27 18:19:22 navinag: no. Feb 27 18:19:25 dBsooner: so, i guess the "hide app X" does work on 1.4 yet? Feb 27 18:19:30 Hey guys, open Messaging, tap the App Menu, and then tap Preferences and Accounts. Just before the correct scene shows, there's a "splash screen" that shows the text "Auto-Download MMS". Maybe Palm didn't comment everything out that they were supposed to? Feb 27 18:19:43 dBsooner? Feb 27 18:19:49 mobgod: ? Feb 27 18:20:02 tell people to use terminus Feb 27 18:20:08 works fine Feb 27 18:20:11 dBsooner what are you using as a terminal on your phone...and no it does not work yet or no it will not be supported for 1.4.0? Feb 27 18:20:13 terminus works Feb 27 18:20:14 terminus? Feb 27 18:20:16 terminal does not Feb 27 18:20:22 yes dBsooner Feb 27 18:20:26 Kyusaku: I had that version error before doctoring down from 1.4 to 1.3.5.1. I didn't realize there was an update to 0.9.28. I figured my 0.9.26 from a couple days ago was sufficient. As soon as I doctored my phone and went back to 0.9.18 or whatever the installer gives, I'm back to the downloading packages message again. Feb 27 18:20:29 i just checked Feb 27 18:20:36 so am i the only one who cant download feeds on preware? Feb 27 18:20:43 GOOD GOD Feb 27 18:20:44 no Feb 27 18:20:51 dBsooner change the topic Feb 27 18:20:59 Decimate: preware servers are crawling to a halt Feb 27 18:21:06 so people can read it when they come in :) Feb 27 18:21:10 yeah, prepend it to the topic, not append Feb 27 18:21:37 or set channel to +m lol Feb 27 18:22:00 kx250ryder: you really should have updated to 0.9.28 rwhitby tried to get the word out as much as possible, even got Dieter on Palmcast to announce it as well. Feb 27 18:22:12 dBsooner: so, the enable GPS dial action on GSM is actually a preware patch that palm included? Feb 27 18:22:42 preware servers weren't as excited about 1.4 as i was, eH? Feb 27 18:23:16 heh, rod probably shouldve upgraded the server this week not postpone next weeks upgrade, lol Feb 27 18:24:22 So are you advising people to Not Update Feeds in Preware? Feb 27 18:24:32 gollyzila: yes, wait a few hours at least Feb 27 18:24:34 gollyzila: YMMV. Feb 27 18:24:54 gollyzila: Server is overloaded, so some users might get through, some might not. Feb 27 18:25:07 i just sat for 10 minutes and finally they all loaded. Feb 27 18:25:07 but access time is exteremely slow due to out of memory. Feb 27 18:25:24 The server is going into SWAP at an enormous rate. Feb 27 18:25:24 Kyusaku: My fault, I know. Admittedly, I don't watch any podcasts. For some reason I like to read news more than watch it on video. I always ignore video only articles and wait for the text version. Probably because most of the time I'm surfing from work where the dreaded Barracuda firewall craps on all video playback. Feb 27 18:25:30 I think I'll wait it out. I don't want to add to the fire. Feb 27 18:25:49 I'll send rwhitby an email Feb 27 18:26:03 so i like the new transition on 1.4 Feb 27 18:26:10 i thought it was native apps only Feb 27 18:26:16 but i see in preware its happening Feb 27 18:26:18 so its global Feb 27 18:26:54 dBsooner: you should stalk him, get his phone number and call him up :) Feb 27 18:27:18 Is Rod awake? Feb 27 18:27:26 no Feb 27 18:27:35 rod sleeps? Feb 27 18:27:37 humm Feb 27 18:27:53 it is currently almost 5AM for rod Feb 27 18:27:55 this seems like it might be a good time to do a bit of mirroring :) Feb 27 18:28:03 kx250ryder: http://www.precentral.net/what-expect-aupt-and-webos-14 "Lastly, if you haven't updated to the latest version of Preware, you really ought to." Feb 27 18:28:04 http://localti.me/adelaide-australia Feb 27 18:28:33 kx250ryder: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2241115 Feb 27 18:29:10 Is it just Rod that runs the webserver/site? Feb 27 18:29:21 or does someone else do that too? Feb 27 18:29:22 kx250ryder: if you have a twitter you should consider following @webosinternals if you prefer your information in text form Feb 27 18:29:42 seriously? no one here knows where the list of installed patches is stored? Feb 27 18:29:47 Preware should have a messaging system, or like a bulletin, that developers can post if/when their patches will be updated, or to tell people to stop hammering the servers Feb 27 18:30:16 LeoSh: its in the usb drive. its a hidden file with a period in front of the name Feb 27 18:30:46 gollyzila: thank you! Feb 27 18:31:01 You're very welcome. Feb 27 18:31:05 It's raining! Feb 27 18:31:39 anyone have any more luck with asla? Feb 27 18:32:03 in regards to what? Feb 27 18:32:11 audio boosting? Feb 27 18:32:22 yes Feb 27 18:32:34 I'm not aware of anyone working on that Feb 27 18:32:35 hehe Feb 27 18:32:36 gollyzila: do you know what the file name actually is? or can you point me to a webpage that has this info? Feb 27 18:32:44 +1 for the feed server Feb 27 18:32:46 bleh Feb 27 18:33:04 zsoc is working on getting more codecs working Feb 27 18:33:05 or really using it at all? When I try to access it directly, the kernel freaks out and reboots Feb 27 18:33:17 LeoSh: Are you accessing the USB drive through USB mode or SSH? Feb 27 18:33:35 gollyzila: USB Feb 27 18:33:43 .webosinternals.patches.packages Feb 27 18:34:20 gollyzila: there's no such file there :-/ Feb 27 18:34:52 gollyzila: I'm trying to reset the list of patches installed, since I webdoctored my phone but it still shows a bunch on installed patches in preware Feb 27 18:35:39 do an EPR Feb 27 18:35:39 egaudet, rwhitby: What type of server are you using to distribute the feeds? Apache? If so, you might want to look into using Nginx--its performance is wildly better. Feb 27 18:36:35 jlund: it's not about that.. it's about the astronomical amount of hits the servers are getting. Feb 27 18:37:29 dBsooner: was it you who said that think "only" 2% of pre owners are using Homebrew? :) Feb 27 18:37:34 Kyusaku: won't EPR just try to uninstall them all and fail? since they're no longer there? or does it deal with this type of thing correctly? Feb 27 18:37:35 LeoSh: just run an Emergency Patch Recovery Feb 27 18:37:40 preware.org is down :( Feb 27 18:37:42 bsm: not me Feb 27 18:37:49 en0x: read subject Feb 27 18:37:53 dBsooner: Right. Nginx is ridiculously better at handling large amounts of traffic than Apache is. Feb 27 18:37:59 oh Feb 27 18:38:00 LeoSh: it can deal with your situation Feb 27 18:38:01 :) Feb 27 18:39:04 dBsooner u get that msg from me? Feb 27 18:39:48 LeoSh: Did you find it? Feb 27 18:40:01 Kyusaku: Can't get to EPR since feeds are down :-/ Feb 27 18:40:09 gollyzila: nope, not there :-/ Feb 27 18:40:32 What OS are you using? Feb 27 18:40:37 win7 Feb 27 18:41:07 better off waiting IMHO Feb 27 18:41:35 LeoSh: I used the EPT in WOSQII. Feb 27 18:41:48 er EPR Feb 27 18:42:15 jtrucks: trying to do that too, but its stuck trying to update my patches to 1.4.0 :-/ Feb 27 18:42:28 oh :( Feb 27 18:43:09 Great! Open up Start Menu, type "hidden files", click Show Hidden Files and Folders, and change whatever settings you like Feb 27 18:43:23 gollyzila: give me a little bit more credit :-) Feb 27 18:43:41 gollyzila: I can see lots of hidden files, but not the preware patches one Feb 27 18:44:07 LeoSh: in your usb drive? Feb 27 18:44:16 whoa. preware just loaded very fsat for me. Feb 27 18:44:26 perhaps a little too fast. Feb 27 18:44:27 gollyzila: yes Feb 27 18:44:45 my preware updates fail with 403 forbidden. did the feed urls change, and old preware installs don't know about the new ones? Feb 27 18:44:46 oh... I set it to only update the list once per day. Feb 27 18:44:58 drewp: server is under heavy load Feb 27 18:45:09 LeoSh: hmmmmm *thinking* Feb 27 18:45:14 which we are contributing to :) Feb 27 18:45:15 403 is like "wrong password", right? Feb 27 18:45:19 10 sec of video and it's out of sync Feb 27 18:45:20 :S Feb 27 18:45:40 en0x 10 secs of what video? Feb 27 18:45:56 LeoSh: Do you have WinSCP? Feb 27 18:46:05 drewp: no, it's usually an access issue (permissions on the file etc), but it can happen with heavy server loads when the web server starts to get weird responses or timeouts Feb 27 18:46:15 gollyzilla: yes, but I don't have SSH set up on the device Feb 27 18:46:29 en0x u mean a flash video ? Feb 27 18:46:30 mobgod, video recorded with pre Feb 27 18:46:35 oh Feb 27 18:46:56 LeoSh: did you have patches installed? Feb 27 18:47:07 no Feb 27 18:47:10 that's the entire problem Feb 27 18:47:14 jtrucks: oh right, 401 Unauthorized is the password one Feb 27 18:47:20 :) Feb 27 18:47:31 I had patches installed, webdoctored the pre, and preware & QI still think there are patches installed Feb 27 18:48:15 opening up luna manager crashes pre? Feb 27 18:48:17 because you didn't use a doctor prior to 1.3.5 Feb 27 18:48:41 Doctoring doesn't remove all the patch files. You weren't able to EPR, right? Feb 27 18:49:07 doctoring doesn't remove all the patch files? it doesn't completely wipe the device? Feb 27 18:49:09 CorpX: works for me.. Feb 27 18:49:28 Nope, Doctoring does not wipe the /media partition Feb 27 18:49:51 i opened it up to do a luna reboot and bam, phone crashed Feb 27 18:50:10 CorpX: at least luna restarted XD Feb 27 18:50:21 kind of Feb 27 18:50:45 ok, how about grabbing the EPR ipkg directly from a download URL? instead of going through the feeds? any thoughts on where that would be? Feb 27 18:51:04 LeoSh: the package would be on the same server the FEEDS are on Feb 27 18:51:13 Doctoring WILL remove everything if you use a dodctor PRIOR to 1.3.5. Otherwise you would need to do a full erase then doctor. Feb 27 18:51:39 dBsooner: awkward Feb 27 18:51:42 hrm, I installed 1.4, it rebooted and now I have a palm logo that is not throbbing... is that normal? Feb 27 18:51:55 jettero: just wait Feb 27 18:51:59 the first logo doesn't throb Feb 27 18:52:03 k Feb 27 18:52:03 mjkjr: or do an on device full erase and then doctor Feb 27 18:52:03 then it goes to the throbbing logo Feb 27 18:52:04 mjkjr: ah, that's probably a change that should have been in really big bold letters somewhere :-/ Feb 27 18:52:27 dBsooner did u see my msg bud Feb 27 18:52:36 kyusaku: read what i typed, i said that lol Feb 27 18:53:02 mobgod: about terminus? Feb 27 18:53:02 actually I believe the 1.3.1 doctor doesn't erase the media partition either Feb 27 18:53:16 ok, I was able to trick QI into running EPR, lets see if the magic worked Feb 27 18:53:17 mjkjr: just notice Feb 27 18:53:18 d Feb 27 18:53:22 dBsooner i was asking for a link Feb 27 18:53:24 Kyusaku: I'm over an hour now and still no timeout from the package download. Feb 27 18:53:29 kyusaku: place a wager on it? Feb 27 18:53:33 LeoSh: hopefully it does work Feb 27 18:53:37 mobgod: don't have one off hand.. and it's probably on the wiki.. Feb 27 18:53:41 mobgod: which means its down Feb 27 18:53:46 or VERY slow I should say. Feb 27 18:54:13 mjkjr that the 1.3.1 doesn't remove media partition? I'm pretty sure I've made posts about it myself Feb 27 18:54:21 lemme find some Feb 27 18:54:59 kyusaku: 1.3.1 will erase everything 1.3.5 and later will not, i promise. can egaudet or rwhitby confirm this? Feb 27 18:55:14 EPR fail Feb 27 18:55:14 1.4 just erased my /media/cryptofs partition Feb 27 18:55:20 1.3.1 will not erase everything Feb 27 18:55:32 mjkjr: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/221802-webosdoctor-not-full-erase.html Feb 27 18:55:36 1.3.1 pixi does Feb 27 18:55:38 1.3.1 stopped erasing media partition, 1.3.5 moved apps to media partition Feb 27 18:56:14 still showing a bunch of installed patches Feb 27 18:56:32 LeoSh: Preware and WOSQI? Feb 27 18:56:37 yup Feb 27 18:56:52 he didn't do EPR via Preware Feb 27 18:56:59 cause he can't get to the feed Feb 27 18:57:02 And are they actually applied on your phone? Feb 27 18:57:04 EPR via WOSQI Feb 27 18:57:12 no, they are not applied on my phone Feb 27 18:57:15 Kyusaku, QI gets it from the feed too Feb 27 18:57:33 maybe QI doesn't check if its actually failed to get it? Feb 27 18:57:47 and just reports success regardless so it didn't actually run? Feb 27 18:59:22 ok well I'm going to change to head out for Engadget Show Feb 27 18:59:30 I'm pretty sure there's an "Emergency" patch that fixes something regarding Preware and WOSQI (not) showing patches. Feb 27 18:59:39 Kyusaku: thanks for the help Feb 27 19:01:27 hmm. This update seems to get stuck on "unpacking." Feb 27 19:02:18 maybe the validation is failing Feb 27 19:03:05 time to ssh in and see what is going on... Feb 27 19:03:40 Palm Pre is LED notification doesn't pulse anymore, it flicks on and off 2 times Feb 27 19:03:56 ~s/is// Feb 27 19:04:36 tlp: my unpacking ran FOREVER Feb 27 19:04:57 weird. Yeah, this time I just sat there and watched it unpack/validate, and it worked Feb 27 19:05:00 I had to tap it a handful fo times Feb 27 19:05:21 now it's rebooting, but it locked. Feb 27 19:05:38 hopefully that doesn't fubar the update. I'm tired of doctoring. Feb 27 19:06:09 LeoSh: Are you having the same problem as this guy? http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2260358#post2260358 Feb 27 19:06:10 tlp: I did a full erase and then a doctor on Thursday -- that went cleanly and 1.4 seems to have happily updated this morning Feb 27 19:06:20 So .. I'm getting pretty pathetic transfer speeds via SSH over wifi (using the open ssh package). Is this normal? Or is my network? or something? Feb 27 19:06:25 just forced a reboot using the switch trick (thanks destinal :P) Feb 27 19:06:49 looks like it's doing it now. Feb 27 19:07:08 gollyzila: no. I see patches in both preware and QI, but those patches aren't actually on the phone Feb 27 19:07:27 decoyed: I've had that happen. I forget what I did specifically, but I noticed my music transfer was really slow -- so I lifted it off the touchstone and put it back, and then the speed skyrocketed. Can't say that had anything to do with it though Feb 27 19:07:35 LeoSh: did you doctor your phone but NOT do a "full erase" before doctoring? Feb 27 19:07:35 if those are stored on /media, then I can just wipe /media, right? Feb 27 19:07:42 nt4cats: yes Feb 27 19:07:56 nt4cats: I wrongly assumed that webosdoctor would do that Feb 27 19:08:01 LeoSh: I doctored my phone without a full erase and saw the same thing you do. Feb 27 19:08:13 tlp: It's been like this since I set it up. I'll get a burst when it starts off sometimes, but then it goes to pot. Usually stays around 70k/s. Feb 27 19:08:31 nt4cats: cool, and were you able to fix it? Feb 27 19:08:46 LeoSh: I recommend you do a full erase and then a doctor. You can't just wipe /media without getting surgical (because webOS stores its apps on /media now, too) Feb 27 19:09:09 I did a full erase and then doctored. That had the desired effect of restoring my phone to fresh-out-of-the-box state Feb 27 19:09:18 you can run ESE after a doctor to re-eanble all services and patches Feb 27 19:09:31 nt4cats: I don't care if I lose downloaded apps... does it store the built in ones on /media too? Feb 27 19:09:38 if you want to really wipe the entire pre you should full erase and doctor Feb 27 19:09:43 LeoSh: listen to egaudet. He actually knows what he's talking about Feb 27 19:09:53 LeoSh: I just pretend to know what I'm talking about sometimes Feb 27 19:10:09 you haven't said anything wrong yet ;) Feb 27 19:10:23 egaudet: I'll do that as a last resort, but I'd really like to avoid that. Can I wipe /media with one of the partial reset options? Feb 27 19:10:31 so if preware isn't showing any patches, is this likely because it couldn't get the feed for 1.4 (due to server load is my guess) Feb 27 19:10:40 what do you mean by "wipe media" Feb 27 19:10:41 dBsooner: just wait how long? I've been at a non-throbbing palm logo for almost 20 minutes? still normal? Feb 27 19:10:47 tlp: What speeds do you normally get with your transfers? Feb 27 19:10:52 partial erase will wipe all your packages Feb 27 19:10:53 egaudet: '/media' partition Feb 27 19:10:54 jettero: probably not Feb 27 19:11:00 jettero: pull batter. :) Feb 27 19:11:13 egaudet: I need to wipe whatever file holds the list of installed patches Feb 27 19:11:14 full erase will wipe all your pacakges plus everything else on /media including photos, music etc.. Feb 27 19:11:32 LeoSh, why? What exactly do you need to accomplish Feb 27 19:11:36 there's a new usb erase. Feb 27 19:11:51 the "list of installed patches" file is nothing more than a helper file to EPR, EFV Feb 27 19:12:12 what tells preware/QI anything is installed is the ipkg database on /media partition which can be cleaned by partial erase Feb 27 19:12:23 egaudet: I webdoctored my phone without doing a full erase, now QI and Preware are showing patches that aren't installed Feb 27 19:12:33 but if you have any patches actually applied to webos stock files then a partial erase will NOT unapply those patches (doctor will have though) Feb 27 19:12:40 One thing I'll point out for someone who does a full erase and doctor ... don't restore your photos to the same location on your pre Feb 27 19:12:46 LeoSh, do you want to reinstall them or remove them all? Feb 27 19:12:51 the pre takes pictures and numbers them Feb 27 19:12:57 decoyed: speeds you'd expect, but on the touchstone Feb 27 19:13:05 like, 300-700K or something. Hard to remember. Feb 27 19:13:17 ... and after doctoring it restarts numbering photos at 1 (overwriting your 'old' photos if you put them back in the same folder) Feb 27 19:13:17 hm, maybe preware should store installed ipk files on the media partition so it does not need to redownload the packages when they are up to date Feb 27 19:13:18 if you want to re-apply them all run ESE< if you want to erase them all do a partial erase (all your apps will get erased, only the ones from app cat will be restored when you log into palm profile) Feb 27 19:13:29 Yeah.. I get 70k/s... Stupid wifi. Feb 27 19:13:47 egaudet: sorry, what's ESE? Feb 27 19:13:56 Emergency Service Enabler Feb 27 19:13:57 dBsooner: cool... it's "installing updates" ... I guess it picked up where it left off Feb 27 19:14:09 jettero: lucky :) Feb 27 19:14:28 jtrucks: we'll see Feb 27 19:14:33 jtrucks, what do you mean isn't showing any patches? Feb 27 19:14:34 egaudet: ic, ok, sounds like I need to do a partial erase then Feb 27 19:14:39 jtrucks: I made sure I have enough time to doctor if I have to. :) Feb 27 19:14:51 egaudet: I mean there is not an option for category or type for patches in preware. Feb 27 19:15:00 I'm trying to re-update the feeds now. Feb 27 19:15:06 the patch feed is enabled, too. Feb 27 19:15:07 egaudet: will that leave the sqlite dbs that store sms and phone records alone? Feb 27 19:15:28 LeoSh, I think those were wiped when you doctor'd Feb 27 19:16:00 egaudet: yes, but that was a few weeks ago, so I do have data I want to keep in them does a partial erase leave them alone? Feb 27 19:16:16 have you installed any patches since a few weeks ago? Feb 27 19:16:38 egaudet: nope, I've done nothing homebrew whatsoever since the webdoctoring Feb 27 19:16:42 * jtrucks confirms http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.4/ has files listed Feb 27 19:16:42 the partial erase will leave them alone yes. Feb 27 19:17:19 jtrucks, make sure that the patches feed correctly shows that url and update feeds Feb 27 19:17:25 egaudet: great! so is that the "Erase Apps & Data" option? or "Erase USB Drive"? (1.4) Feb 27 19:17:30 egaudet: I'm checking tha tnow. Feb 27 19:18:16 LeoSh, oh they changed the naming of it? I believe it's Erase Apps & Data (which will erase the ipkg database and all apps save data) Feb 27 19:18:37 hrm Feb 27 19:18:40 * jtrucks reboots again Feb 27 19:19:05 ok, and off we go Feb 27 19:22:28 nt4cats: that's a nasty little bug (with the photo renaming) Feb 27 19:22:38 i know the password file for SSH was changed in 1.4. is there a way to change it back without installing SSH through preware?? Feb 27 19:23:30 Preware couldn't update patches after 1.4, ipkg errors. After a few reboots, it gets stuck at 79 or 80 out of 98 "fixing unknown packages". If I turn off that flag, it doesn't show any available updates. Feb 27 19:24:55 egaudet: and it seems that erase apps & data wipes all of those DB's - I just had to reactivate my phone Feb 27 19:25:27 it wipes the text and phone databases? Feb 27 19:25:57 egaudet: I'll find out in a second, but I'd be shocked if they survived if the phone had to be reactivated Feb 27 19:26:04 so, preware has the Webos-patches URL as http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.4.0 Feb 27 19:26:14 LeoSh, I won't be Feb 27 19:26:18 which isn't giving me good vibes while trying in a normal browser Feb 27 19:26:30 I had the "Enable Add/Delete Pages" patch installed before the update. Now I have 4 pages of apps but no options to add/delete any. Is anyone else experiencing this? Feb 27 19:26:38 jtrucks, the servers are getting pounded Feb 27 19:27:00 egaudet: yeah, I know. I suspect that's why I get no patches listed in preware. Feb 27 19:27:03 yeah, I might have to doctor afterall Feb 27 19:27:06 might have to just wait till later :) Feb 27 19:27:10 jettero: :( Feb 27 19:27:13 it installs, reboots, installs, reboots, installs, reboots Feb 27 19:27:15 meh Feb 27 19:27:23 some day one of these will install correctly Feb 27 19:27:26 i know the password file for SSH was changed in 1.4. is there a way to change it back without installing SSH through preware?? Feb 27 19:29:25 i need a second touchstone Feb 27 19:29:52 my coworker installed one in his car. /me jealous Feb 27 19:30:15 not a bad idea. Feb 27 19:30:30 I use 3 different cars all the time, so that would get expensive to set up :P Feb 27 19:30:34 rebooting again... it only does like 2/3 of the circular completion graph while it's "isntalling update" Feb 27 19:30:38 though my car charger stopped working :( Feb 27 19:30:41 installing update again Feb 27 19:30:44 *sigh* Feb 27 19:31:25 i know the password file for SSH was changed in 1.4. is there a way to change it back without installing SSH through preware?? Feb 27 19:32:02 tbird02: omfg, ask that again, maybe the answer will chagne. Feb 27 19:33:06 where do you get the 1.4 webos doctor files? Feb 27 19:34:05 tbird02: It does? I was just able to SSH through PuTTY and I'm on 1.4. I didn't have to reinstall anything Feb 27 19:34:13 jettoro: stfu. Feb 27 19:34:40 Nrbelex: I still have my multiple pages AND add/delete option aswell Feb 27 19:34:49 For those with unpatched phones, how many blinks do you get and under what circumstances with notifications? Feb 27 19:35:09 egaudet: they didn't survive Feb 27 19:35:24 Nrbelex: Mine is patched. I get 2 blinks with an email notification Feb 27 19:35:36 gollyzila: hmm. i tried on my wife's pre before updating and it worked. same as mine. not anymore.. Feb 27 19:35:43 gollyzilla, did you update that patch? Feb 27 19:36:01 LeoSh, sorry. That doesn't make sense to me why they would put that in "partial" erase Feb 27 19:36:08 Nrbelex: yes Feb 27 19:36:20 gollyzilla, thanks Feb 27 19:36:42 I don't think it used to do that Feb 27 19:36:48 tbird02: Check to see if your ip adress changed. Mine did Feb 27 19:36:49 gollyzilla, do you get two rapid blinks under all notification situations? Feb 27 19:37:17 oh, I got a ! in a triangle: www.palm.com/ROM :) Feb 27 19:37:19 Nrbelex: I'm checking text right now Feb 27 19:37:37 anyone ever have issues witht he buddy list Feb 27 19:37:41 in messagng? Feb 27 19:37:54 where the sign in circle just keeps going and u cant click on any of the people under it Feb 27 19:38:05 clicking just highlights the name but doenst do antyhing else Feb 27 19:38:15 Nrbelex: I get 2 rapid blinks for emails and text notificatons Feb 27 19:38:34 golyzilla, thanks again Feb 27 19:38:49 What's the command to make infobot say what you really meant? Like i just made a spelling mistake Feb 27 19:39:03 gollyzila: how do you check your ip address? Feb 27 19:39:14 Is the lock screen the same as pre-1.4 for everyone, or does it show whatever card was open before the lock? Feb 27 19:39:19 s/badtext/goodtext/ Feb 27 19:39:32 open up wi-fi, tap the network you Feb 27 19:39:34 .... Feb 27 19:39:44 at least the patches are gone... Feb 27 19:40:12 s/tap the network you/tap the network you're connected to, and your ip adress should be listed Feb 27 19:40:25 Nrbelex: ive seen both happen to me. on occasion it just has the lock thing on the bottom with whatever is open. but after restarting a couple times it shows the lock screen Feb 27 19:40:46 Smubeth, I think that's a buggy new feature. Thanks. Feb 27 19:40:49 I tried it last night too, and she ignore me. Feb 27 19:40:53 s/ignore/ignored/ Feb 27 19:40:54 CardShark meant: I tried it last night too, and she ignored me. Feb 27 19:40:59 Oh, that time it worked. Feb 27 19:41:04 ~thanks Feb 27 19:41:05 CardShark: bitte Feb 27 19:42:32 Smubeht: Nrbelex just experienced that too. A luna restart fixed it Feb 27 19:42:58 hm interesting, terminal really crashes luna Feb 27 19:43:01 golyzilla, what is the proper behavior? All I get is the old screen. I've restarted several times. Feb 27 19:43:06 hrm, ... well, now I have to webos doctor just to get back to a working os... am I going to have tehse problems with my preware patches? Feb 27 19:43:23 Hmm, preware won't load. Package manager text. I completely shut down the phone and rebooted. Feb 27 19:43:58 i prefer the lock screen which is the way im seeing now =) Feb 27 19:44:14 but my messaging app seems to be funky. i think its been like this before as well though not a 1.4 update issue Feb 27 19:44:25 Nrbelex: It should show the lock icon, shading around it, the time above it, and just your wallpaper. and the top bar aswell Feb 27 19:45:20 golyzilla, Ok, so the way it was pre-1.4, right? Feb 27 19:46:05 Nrbelex: yes and also in 1.4 Feb 27 19:46:21 gollyzila, great, thanks. Feb 27 19:46:27 gollyzila: my ip address is the same, but i still cant SSH in. Feb 27 19:46:50 tbird02: What's the error you get? Feb 27 19:47:01 So to reiterate, proper LED blink notification behavior is 2 rapid blinks for both E-mail and SMS, correct? Feb 27 19:48:06 And is the vibrations for a new SMS now the same short vibration as a new E-mail? Feb 27 19:48:10 access denied. Feb 27 19:48:15 gollyzila: access denied. Feb 27 19:48:27 tbird02, i noticed that the update completely deleted by normal user account on the pre Feb 27 19:48:44 i had to use novacom to "adduser username" as root Feb 27 19:48:47 tbird02: what ssh method did you use? Feb 27 19:49:07 winscp Feb 27 19:49:20 i am on mac. i just hooked up the pre via USB and ran "novacom" from the command line Feb 27 19:49:29 the_snowdog: how did you fix it? Feb 27 19:49:43 Did you install SSH through Preware? Feb 27 19:49:57 no. i used the old method through usb/novacom Feb 27 19:49:58 i originally installed long ago with bootstrap.sh Feb 27 19:50:51 tbird02, do the same method to access the command prompt. you can confirm that it deleted your user by checking the contents of /etc/passwd Feb 27 19:51:07 the_snowdog: according to rwhitby earlier this morning, the 1.4 update overwrites /etc/passwd. He said you have to use the 'new' way of sshing in -- and when someone asked him what the 'new' way was he said to install ssh via preware and follow the instructions found in the application description in preware Feb 27 19:51:42 oh. yea i was too lazy to do that. doing adduser again worked fine for me Feb 27 19:52:08 the_snowdog: I hope I made it clear there that I'm just parroting back rwhitby's instructions ... not speaking as an expert on this issue myself. Feb 27 19:52:44 nt4cats, i understand. rwhitby's method has the added benefit of being able to winscp into the pre more easily. Feb 27 19:52:51 webos-internals server is hammered. Feb 27 19:52:55 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH Feb 27 19:53:20 Just follow the directions below Generate Keys from webOS Method Feb 27 19:53:47 gollyzilla, you can actually get the wiki to load? my browser just times out on anything on webos-internals server Feb 27 19:54:03 * nt4cats doesn't run windoze, and scp from the commandline of my gibson has always worked fine ... Feb 27 19:54:49 the_snowdog: yeah Feb 27 19:55:34 erg. Feb 27 19:55:46 time to disable all but the patches feed and see if I can get to them that way Feb 27 19:56:04 but I have to reboot every time preware gets hosed up :( Feb 27 19:56:17 luna manager doesn't seem to do anything so it likely need an update, too. Feb 27 19:57:09 is there a luna-send for rebooting luna? Feb 27 19:57:20 nt4cats: yes Feb 27 19:57:33 you can just pkill LunaSysMgr also Feb 27 19:57:36 Is the vibration for a new SMS now the same short vibration as a new E-mail? Feb 27 19:57:43 I would say it to you, but the website is kinda overloaded Feb 27 19:57:45 jettero: I didn't see it on the webos-internals wiki, do you know what it is? Feb 27 19:58:16 destinal-away: "pkill LunaSysMgr" reboots luna? Feb 27 19:58:29 haha, that probably works Feb 27 19:58:44 I think I always used stop LunaSysMgr or something like that Feb 27 20:00:08 nt4cats: that kills it, then upstart restarts it Feb 27 20:00:11 yeah, I can't get anything on the wiki to load... Feb 27 20:00:17 poor thing Feb 27 20:01:13 Nrbelex: Yeah, it is the same short vibration Feb 27 20:01:22 Preware freezes on optware updating it seems, and if I close the app, then the next time I run preware, it halts at supervisor. Feb 27 20:01:32 gollyzilla, thanks... DAMNIT Feb 27 20:01:58 Ahh, just read the topic, my apologies. Feb 27 20:02:29 \o/ Feb 27 20:02:34 I have patches listed! Feb 27 20:02:42 I turned off all the other feeds so it only had to get the one. Feb 27 20:02:50 Anyone listen to the new short ringtones? Feb 27 20:03:03 Seriously hoping someone makes a patch to make SMS vibrations different than E-mail vibrations. Feb 27 20:03:04 yes, why do you ask? Feb 27 20:03:19 anyone else losing connection??? i didnt recieve any text this whole morning until now and recieved 15 at one time... Feb 27 20:03:40 just letting people know there are new sounds incase they didn't find out Feb 27 20:06:07 m.nytimes.com won't scroll anymore. Anyone else? Feb 27 20:06:10 gollyzila: could be handy. Feb 27 20:06:17 Need some advice on updating. Earlier I posted that I jumped the gun when the servers were down, thinking that it was an issue with my phone, and I doctored it back to 1.3.5.1. Now that I have a doctored phone, should I install the patches I want first, and then update, or update to 1.4 first and then install patches? Feb 27 20:06:38 kx250ryder: you can't update with patches installed. Feb 27 20:06:44 kx250ryder: makes it an easy choice :) Feb 27 20:07:14 So how do I remove Preware from my phone then for the update? Feb 27 20:07:23 kx250ryder: given that preware's servers are overwhelmed right now, I'd say don't mess with patches until tomorrow after you update to 1.4 Feb 27 20:07:58 kx250ryder: actually you can update with patches installed since they all have AUPT. But nt4cats is right Feb 27 20:08:08 jtrucks: that's obsolete info - thousands of ppl updated with patches installed, including me Feb 27 20:08:20 kx250ryder: you don't need to remove preware, just your patches. Run Emergency Patch Recovery and you should be fine. Feb 27 20:08:52 jacques: really? I thought EPR was required first. Feb 27 20:08:58 Nrbelex: it also doesn't scroll for me too Feb 27 20:09:00 nope Feb 27 20:09:03 AUPT Feb 27 20:09:04 jtrucks: AUPT works, no doubt Feb 27 20:09:11 I have no patches anymore. Did a full erase, followed by a 1.3.5.1 doctoring. Feb 27 20:09:20 jtrucks: the only problem is that the servers that provide the new patches for 1.4 are swamped right now Feb 27 20:09:20 kx250ryder: then just update. Feb 27 20:09:22 gollyzila, damn, thanks Feb 27 20:09:32 nt4cats: that I know. Feb 27 20:09:39 kx250ryder: update to 1.4.0 first, given the preware server situation Feb 27 20:09:41 kx250ryder: then you should simple update to 1.4 Feb 27 20:09:57 s/simple/simply/ Feb 27 20:09:58 nt4cats meant: kx250ryder: then you should simply update to 1.4 Feb 27 20:10:01 What are you clicking to quote my username in replies? Feb 27 20:10:08 tab Feb 27 20:10:11 kx250ryder: ... and maybe tomorrow install your patches Feb 27 20:10:26 just type the first few letters and click tab Feb 27 20:10:34 Thanks Feb 27 20:10:47 kx250ryder: I'm typing your name, so I'm pressing the keys 'k' 'x' '2' '5' '0' 'r' 'y' 'd' 'e' 'r'. Feb 27 20:11:03 anyone notice that the engadget app has a strange splash screen when switching between articles? Feb 27 20:11:30 gollyzila: wow, that tab key thing works. I guess I'm up to 1998-level in IRC knowledge. Feb 27 20:11:50 * psykoz grins Feb 27 20:12:01 It also works in WIRC if anyone uses that. Gesture+orange Feb 27 20:12:17 s/Gesture/Meta-tap Feb 27 20:12:33 ~botsmack Feb 27 20:12:34 OWW! Feb 27 20:12:34 * nt4cats used the IRC a lot from 1990-1996 ... not much since then until I bought my Pre Feb 27 20:12:52 oh Feb 27 20:12:59 what network did you hang out on in 90? Feb 27 20:13:40 While I was writing all this, I just noticed my phone got through and downloaded all the proper feeds (didn't time out). I think I'm goint to stick to 1.3.5.1 until my favorite patches are all updated. I don't like the way that e-mail title blocks look in 1.4. I prefer the Outlook style patch. Feb 27 20:14:30 wow, that was 20 years ago ... freenode sounds familiar, but I'm not sure. I used to hang out on #os/2 (I was, you guessed it,an OS/2 guy back then) Feb 27 20:15:12 does the 4x4 v2 icon patch not work anymore? Feb 27 20:15:31 Maybe not as updated as I thought. I just noticed that my Preware version is still 0.9.18. Weird, I just downloaded it off of their site a few minutes ago, and the wiki says it should be 0.9.28. Feb 27 20:15:35 tbird02: I just installed a different 4x4 flavor today and it seems to be working Feb 27 20:16:05 tbird02: I did "4x4 icons v4 no arrows plus more" Feb 27 20:16:29 nt4cats: thanks ill try that out Feb 27 20:19:11 Nrbelex: If you are still looking for a way to make the vibration longer for texts, the patch for that is 1.4-compatible Feb 27 20:19:35 the_snowdog, I am - that's great. What's the name of it? Feb 27 20:20:59 ... hmmm maybe it was EFnet Feb 27 20:22:54 einet galaxy for the win Feb 27 20:22:58 Nrbelex: SMS Vibrate to Two Seconds, http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/225334-patch-sms-vibrate-two-seconds.html Feb 27 20:23:39 the_snowdog: Thanks, is two seconds the length it used to be? It sounds like that's longer. Feb 27 20:23:58 palm needs to donate to webos-internals, the site keeps going down like a cheerleader on homecoming Feb 27 20:24:20 Nrbelex: normally, all notifications are about 0.5 sec. this patch will make SMS 2 seconds so that you can differentiate SMS from other things Feb 27 20:25:44 the_snowdog: Prior to 1.4 the E-mail vibrations was extremely short while the SMS vibrations was a tiny bit longer. But I don't think it was a full 2 seconds... hmm Feb 27 20:26:24 Nrbelex: really? that was the default? i don't remember that... i always that all vibrations were the same length out of the box Feb 27 20:26:55 the_snowdog: Yup, there was a subtle difference. It made a big difference to me... Feb 27 20:27:21 Nrbelex: hmm. good to know. clearly too subtle for me. Feb 27 20:27:29 preware servers still getting hit hard? Feb 27 20:28:45 VincentLaw: Looks that way to me... Feb 27 20:32:08 is email landscape working for anyone? mine is not. another dummy package waiting for a patch update? Feb 27 20:32:49 that was strange Feb 27 20:33:01 my connection hung Feb 27 20:33:02 the_snowdog: Yes, it needs to be updated. Currently there's a dummy package. Feb 27 20:34:17 I wonder how much traffic the preware server is pushing now Feb 27 20:37:20 wee, downloading the webOSdoctor jar so I can work on my patches Feb 27 20:37:49 is it me or does the backspace on terminus not work... Feb 27 20:38:31 terminal is supposedly borked right now Feb 27 20:38:36 last i heard Feb 27 20:38:56 jhojho: terminal IS really borked in 1.4 Feb 27 20:39:16 well there you go.. Feb 27 20:39:40 not terminal Feb 27 20:39:45 TERMINUS Feb 27 20:40:57 nevermind then =) Feb 27 20:41:04 * jhojho looks around for egaudet Feb 27 20:41:50 terminus isn't qute complete yet IMO Feb 27 20:42:20 so what is everyone using for a terminal on their phone? Feb 27 20:43:25 navinag_: Terminal. :( Feb 27 20:44:01 on 1.4, probably not much of anything, or getting by somewhat with terminus Feb 27 20:44:15 gahh,