**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 01 02:59:57 2010 Mar 01 03:00:02 i trust usb/novaterm is unharmed? Mar 01 03:00:12 I like the loading graphic, better than no card at all Mar 01 03:00:17 just nothing but probs.. universal search not working, that fiasco witht he apps missing, the latest is all my email accounts are MIA and I can't add new oens. it's like the email app is borked Mar 01 03:00:27 Hope not, but it won't let me in through ssh. Says Permission denied Mar 01 03:00:52 MIA? Mar 01 03:01:20 missing in action Mar 01 03:01:26 Ah, ok lol Mar 01 03:01:34 Gonna go crazy with all these abbreviations soon Mar 01 03:01:44 alkos333: check to see if your wifi ip address changed Mar 01 03:01:48 here is an odd one... Mar 01 03:01:56 alkos333: You need to add back your user account..happened to me as well Mar 01 03:02:03 when I use the power button to wake my phone... it doesn't show the normal lock screen... Mar 01 03:02:09 gollyzila: doesn't matter, I'm using usb Mar 01 03:02:12 thought MIA was well known ha Mar 01 03:02:16 zonyl: Yes, I'm sure that's what happened. Mar 01 03:02:22 it shows the home screen as if it were unlocked, but it has the lock button that you have to drag Mar 01 03:02:33 drewp: yeah, novaterm is still all good .. works well Mar 01 03:02:33 yeah ive had that happen a few times Mar 01 03:02:33 alkos333: Just adduser blah Mar 01 03:02:41 Yeah, I will. Mar 01 03:02:43 yeah MIA should be pretty well know, was even a Chuck Norris movie title Mar 01 03:03:41 alkos - u get cmdline though right Mar 01 03:03:42 cryptk that's happened to me too a bunch of times Mar 01 03:03:52 knickrox13: what do you mean? Mar 01 03:04:01 can u get command line access through usb Mar 01 03:04:14 if u can u can do a script Mar 01 03:04:37 gollyzila2: at least it isn't just me Mar 01 03:04:43 I mean I kinda like it... Mar 01 03:05:03 I would love it if it still showed the arch that you drag the button past Mar 01 03:05:22 so the lock screen would be the same as the home screen just with the whole drag to unlock thing Mar 01 03:05:46 it is pretty cool. i wouldn't mind having an option to disable/enable it Mar 01 03:06:30 but all your notifications don't show on it Mar 01 03:06:38 knickrox13: I have to set up novacom or something and that's a pain at the moment cause I"m running a 64-bit Slackware, so I have to get ailib32 or w/e rolling here.. and I just don't feel like doing all that right now. Mar 01 03:08:13 alkos333: I just installed terminus via preware and added the user through that.. Mar 01 03:08:22 yeah i was just gonna say that Mar 01 03:09:05 In reality, I probably should have just dr'd the phone. Mar 01 03:09:06 are u guys using the old SSH method? Mar 01 03:09:08 odd... I was having issues with wirc yesterday.... Mar 01 03:09:14 gollyzila2: You know it ;) Mar 01 03:09:16 it wasn't opening the chat window... Mar 01 03:09:39 seems it was conencted afterall because it just timed out when i rebooted my phone Mar 01 03:10:57 I at first thought the new SSH method was going to be a pain. but I tried just before updating to 1.4 and it wasn't bad at all. I say it was pretty easy following the intructions in the wiki Mar 01 03:13:49 so I was having a cool lock screen issue after updating that went away after another restart, maybe someone can get on a patch Mar 01 03:13:51 zonyl: Yes, but I can't install that right now because I don't have preware installer on there.. Mar 01 03:15:13 every time I locked my screen whatever I had open stayed right there instead of going back to the wall paper Mar 01 03:16:33 hey cryptk, now there's three of us in here that have had the lockscreen bug Mar 01 03:18:52 * gollyzila is reading and *trying* to understand Hamlet Mar 01 03:19:01 gollyzila2: I thought it was pretty cool. i want it back lol Mar 01 03:19:09 mjkjr|wirc: yep, it is a bug... luna restart fixes it Mar 01 03:19:48 I know, I thought it was part if the changelog or something, I didn't want the bug fixed Mar 01 03:20:13 I had that lock screen bug for an hour or so... went away after a rboot Mar 01 03:20:15 s/if/of Mar 01 03:20:57 mjkjr|wirc you forgot the ending / Mar 01 03:21:11 mjkjr|wirc: I like the way it looks too Mar 01 03:21:22 but gollyzila says that notifications don't work when it is doing it Mar 01 03:22:25 cryptk: yup. I had quicksystemtasks in the notification bar and it didn't show it on the "new" lockscreen Mar 01 03:23:50 hmmm... I didn't really notice, I just liked the look/idea. i'd like that "new" lockscreen as an option Mar 01 03:26:25 I agree, I would love to have it be an option for a "transparent lockscreen" Mar 01 03:26:45 have it show the unlock slider and the arch/drag up to unlock text Mar 01 03:26:54 but have that be on top of the normal homescreen Mar 01 03:26:59 I would like to have the Android pattern lock. Wonder what it would take to try to patch that. Mar 01 03:27:14 zonyl: so would i Mar 01 03:27:30 if palm comes out with a bugfix for the current lockscreen we may be able to look at how they fix it and reverse engineer it to make it always be that way (but with notifications) Mar 01 03:27:32 or even widgets on the lockscreen. weather Mar 01 03:27:39 I don't care for the arch or text, mine was showing just the lock icon itself, thought it was slick Mar 01 03:27:43 is there something wrong with the palm catalog feed in preware? Mar 01 03:29:18 maybe the new lockscreen is appearing since Palm enabled a gesture swipe up to unlock Mar 01 03:29:20 cryptk: that would be great, I was bummed when it went back to normal Mar 01 03:30:19 gollyzilla: I like that feature a lot, saves me half a second Mar 01 03:30:47 anyone want to develop an instant app maker? Mar 01 03:31:16 LoneStar99: And call it Ares? Mar 01 03:31:32 lol Mar 01 03:31:40 Brighthouse might have something like that. Mar 01 03:31:42 zero code Mar 01 03:31:49 'Sup everyone. Mar 01 03:32:29 zero code for the end user, Mar 01 03:32:39 z Mar 01 03:32:44 is there something wrong with the palm catalog feed in preware? Mar 01 03:33:00 * mjkjr|wirc wants a patch for the "new" lock screen Mar 01 03:33:04 preware refuses to load Mar 01 03:34:08 tbird02: just turn the app cat feed off and update feeds manually Mar 01 03:35:01 this is for corporations Mar 01 03:35:54 time to get ready for work Mar 01 03:36:38 time to get ready to sleep Mar 01 03:38:09 mjkjr|wirc: There is no "new" lock screen, as far as I know. Pretty sure there's a bug that sometimes allows the last card open to stay visible when locked. Mar 01 03:38:15 time to get ready to eat Mar 01 03:39:09 looking for one good coder that wants to take thinks to another lever Mar 01 03:39:13 level Mar 01 03:39:18 nrbelex: aware it's a bug, but I like it and want to make it a "new" lock screen option. Mar 01 03:39:29 have u guys ever had a problem Mar 01 03:39:30 LoneStar99: Try http://ares.palm.com Mar 01 03:39:34 where youd lock the phone Mar 01 03:39:36 is there new menu transitions? Mar 01 03:39:43 within apps Mar 01 03:39:49 and then maybe like 3-4 seconds later, the phone lights up again with the lock screen Mar 01 03:39:57 and 3-4 seconds after that, it turns off again Mar 01 03:40:04 zonyl: nope it takes hours to build on it Mar 01 03:40:09 a restart fixed it, but just wanna see if anyone else experienced that Mar 01 03:40:11 also did anyone notice apps loading faster or is it an illusion with the pulsating icon Mar 01 03:40:53 probably just an illision but whats the difference anyways, if it feels faster, then thats what matters, no? Mar 01 03:42:12 mjkjr|wirc: haha, sorry - I hadn't caught up Mar 01 03:42:39 Feels slower to me... Mar 01 03:43:42 I had the web browser go awol on me. I like how you can scroll around before the page loads now, however, there appears to be something amiss with the multi-touch event stack at that point. Mar 01 03:43:43 is there new transitions between screens within apps or is that just me? Mar 01 03:44:36 firestrider: I heard that but haven't noticed myself Mar 01 03:45:46 yeh there's new transitions when you open something Mar 01 03:46:41 rwhitby: ping Mar 01 03:47:33 It is interesting how the email program will show a bit of the view/scene in the open transition. havent seen much else do that yet. Mar 01 03:55:11 Is there a technical reason they got rid of the forward swipe gesture... or what? Mar 01 04:01:13 Removing the Multi Mod patch seems to have royally screwed up launcher pages. First there was only one page, and it was not showing icons for all the programs, and type-to-launch wasn't working. I added a new page and type-to-launch started working. I added a bunch of pages, but the rest of the icons never came back. Removed the Enable add/remove Pages patch, and all icons were back on their several pages, but I had lots of Mar 01 04:02:03 What the browser multi mod patch has to do with the launcher, I don't know. Mar 01 04:03:01 oil: ping Mar 01 04:03:16 ? Mar 01 04:03:49 Does the popup for luna restart happen from Preware? or is it from PKG man? Mar 01 04:04:10 for patches? Mar 01 04:04:16 either Mar 01 04:04:26 ipkgservice doesn't do any of that stuff Mar 01 04:04:28 Just what spawns the popup Mar 01 04:04:37 preware does Mar 01 04:04:39 I want to add a popup to my patch Mar 01 04:05:04 good luck Mar 01 04:05:08 When user changes the "Hide Call Duration" switch in Phone Prefs I want that popup to happen Mar 01 04:05:24 that doesn't sound promising. Mar 01 04:05:28 lol Mar 01 04:05:35 well its just javascript Mar 01 04:05:36 the popup Mar 01 04:05:45 right Mar 01 04:05:50 but idk if you can actually call the luna restart from that app Mar 01 04:05:53 but the actual excecution? Mar 01 04:05:56 preware uses the ipkgservice to actually restart it Mar 01 04:06:01 it does a call to it Mar 01 04:06:03 ahh Mar 01 04:06:07 what about Luna Manager? Mar 01 04:06:11 how does it call the restart? Mar 01 04:06:12 but the phone prefs is probably on private bus Mar 01 04:06:14 Hi all... I was just wondering if anyone is having issues with MHS after webOS 1.4 update. The On/Off toggle but will not respond for me. Any thoughs is much appreciated. thanks Mar 01 04:06:17 idk if its got access to do it Mar 01 04:06:23 oil: looks like jstop's CSS doesn't render right anymore Mar 01 04:06:31 azakus, i noticed :/ Mar 01 04:06:35 so far, I've been stumped Mar 01 04:06:46 has to be related to the browser updates Mar 01 04:06:48 ill peep at it Mar 01 04:06:51 thanks Mar 01 04:07:35 is there a way to switch a terminal on the pre similar to switching to the terminal by using ctrl+alt+F1 on any linux box? Mar 01 04:07:56 elpollodiablo1: no vt's afaik on the pre Mar 01 04:08:59 weird, the updater gui just says 'install now' but doesn't react to taps. /var/log/messages has the truth: {"status":"InsufficientCharge"} Mar 01 04:09:43 you need at least 30% battery Mar 01 04:10:00 even if you're charging Mar 01 04:10:14 azakus: thanks that would be sweet functionality if it was possible. Mar 01 04:10:31 sure that's fine, i'm just surprised the gui is so bad for this case Mar 01 04:10:38 Anybody? Mar 01 04:10:56 Saiks: MHS? Mar 01 04:11:51 mobile hot spot Mar 01 04:11:58 azakus: Mobile Hotspot, the toggle button not responding Mar 01 04:12:22 ah Mar 01 04:14:20 azakus, i really can't see anything wrong Mar 01 04:15:02 yeah, neither could I Mar 01 04:15:25 After the update, something went wrong. Do you have MHS installed Mar 01 04:16:24 mhs? Mar 01 04:16:39 oh Mar 01 04:16:40 read up Mar 01 04:16:50 yeah, i heard it didn't work on sprint pres after 1.4 Mar 01 04:17:29 I'm sure that was done intentionally Mar 01 04:18:01 if you modify the mobilehotspotd so the Sprint string says sprint instead, you can get it to run and accept connections Mar 01 04:18:10 but you get an auth error due to NAI stuff i believe Mar 01 04:18:35 yeah, considering its verizon exclusive or whatever Mar 01 04:18:43 they dont want you running it on your pre Mar 01 04:18:53 sprint doesn't even have teather plans for the pre do they? Mar 01 04:18:59 nope Mar 01 04:19:00 so technically doing it is against your contract Mar 01 04:19:07 nope .. they don't offer phone-as-modem Mar 01 04:21:19 what exactly is causing terminal to fail since 1.4 Mar 01 04:21:33 good question Mar 01 04:21:34 problem with the plugin im sure Mar 01 04:21:39 so whos gonna fix it so i can break my contract with mobile hotspot Mar 01 04:22:30 JMyaDaGod: get a hex editor, and edit the string in mobilehotspotd .. ask sprint for your MSL and edit your NAI to be your normal one, and not the modem one Mar 01 04:22:44 i am not sure you'll find many people here who will readily help you or automate said process :) Mar 01 04:30:01 azakus, nothing i try seems to make a bit of difference Mar 01 04:30:49 oil: it looks exactly the same if I turn off css entirely for it Mar 01 04:30:51 hmm Mar 01 04:31:02 yeah Mar 01 04:31:14 I wonder if this is related to the namespace Mar 01 04:31:20 Doctor #3 is the charm? Mar 01 04:31:36 it would be odd if com.palm.XXXX couldn't specify it's own css in relative paths Mar 01 04:31:54 that would be funky Mar 01 04:33:14 if that was hte case, how could the catalog have styles different then everything else Mar 01 04:33:16 its com.palm Mar 01 04:33:33 what does 'unreversed patch detected' mean, when trying to remove 'named pages' patch in both wsqi and preware? Mar 01 04:34:17 um... so, preware seems to be making my phone crawl to a halt during "downloading feed information" Mar 01 04:34:55 i got a "memory critical, too many cards!" Mar 01 04:36:29 hola everyone Mar 01 04:37:33 gkatsev - my PMS went nuts yesterday, was runnign in the backgroudn even after I quite preware. Wasn't until it dinged letting me know I had 20% battery and If elt how hot the phone that I investigated Mar 01 04:37:56 rwhitby, ping Mar 01 04:38:14 AnOutsider: are you sure it was PMS? Mar 01 04:38:17 oil: just a thought Mar 01 04:38:30 and did you do anything weird like close preware during a feed download or anything like that? Mar 01 04:38:42 crypt: when I popped in and checked I saw that it was Mar 01 04:38:55 ahh Mar 01 04:39:07 PMS was hung on downloading for ages, when I tried to oepn preware again I go that "checking PMS version" message, so I realized it had hung Mar 01 04:39:08 it was being slow, i closed it and restarted my phone and tried it again just now which was when i got the error Mar 01 04:39:32 well... hopefully soon I will have a chance to integrate the new code into my Upstart Manager and if something like that happens with any service you should be able to kill it and restart it manually Mar 01 04:39:53 AnOutsider: a restart of java services should fix that though Mar 01 04:40:00 which is really easy now in 1.4 Mar 01 04:40:10 yeah? there a shortcut for it? Mar 01 04:40:11 Luna Manager is pretty useless at this point unfortunately Mar 01 04:40:20 I just orng + sym + r'd it Mar 01 04:40:20 AnOutsider: hold you power button Mar 01 04:40:26 check out the new options Mar 01 04:40:34 gkatsev: look for a big file in /media/cryptofs/app/usr/lib/ipkg/lists/ and delete it Mar 01 04:40:38 there is now a luna restart and a java restart option Mar 01 04:40:50 ah cool Mar 01 04:40:58 no one else has had the dead email client issue? Mar 01 04:41:11 I haven't checked into it Mar 01 04:41:14 rwhitby: cool, will do as soon as i reboot it Mar 01 04:41:24 the only bug I have definitely experienced so far is the lock screen bug Mar 01 04:41:55 yeah Mar 01 04:42:17 cryptk|work: has the css for your app broken? Mar 01 04:42:19 but if it weren't for the other side effects of that bug, I like it Mar 01 04:42:22 I had a sneaking suspicion 1.4 wasn't ready for primetime, and it seems to have panned out. Luckily major issues don't seem widespread Mar 01 04:42:29 azakus: I haven't checked it in 1.4 yet Mar 01 04:42:30 either way I'm telling folks I know to hold out for 1.4.1 Mar 01 04:42:41 cryptk|work: I'll build it and see how it goes Mar 01 04:42:45 but it is based on your CSS so a bug in one *should* be in the other Mar 01 04:42:59 azakus: no need to build it, it is in preware testing feeds Mar 01 04:43:22 nope it works Mar 01 04:43:29 cryptk|work: not follow that feed :P Mar 01 04:43:32 what is the lock screen bug? Mar 01 04:44:10 where the last opened card is visible Mar 01 04:44:27 actually not jsut a card, I've had it happen and show my icons and wallpaper in the background with no scrim (no card open) Mar 01 04:44:32 the background of the lock screen isn't ther Mar 01 04:44:40 only the lock button that you drag Mar 01 04:44:46 cryptk|work: it works fine Mar 01 04:44:47 that is the only thing there Mar 01 04:44:57 azakus: I noticed JsTop was broken... Mar 01 04:45:07 oil: his css is based off ours, so the problem must be in something odd Mar 01 04:46:12 azakus: it could be in some javascript... I am using very little of your javascript Mar 01 04:46:25 I don't think there is a single function that I haven't touched in some way Mar 01 04:46:31 and many that I have completely re-written Mar 01 04:46:32 when i go to a new page in preware Mar 01 04:46:37 for like.. 1 or 2 seconds i just see Mar 01 04:46:38 ... Mar 01 04:46:40 on the screen Mar 01 04:46:48 Decimate: it is loading the list Mar 01 04:46:52 has anyone noticed that after updating to 1.4 that their ssh password does not work? Mar 01 04:47:17 Decimate: that's something new in 1.4 on how it renders scene Mar 01 04:47:22 Decimate: if you have the testing feed check out the Upstart Manager (or JsTop) Mar 01 04:47:25 in my app I just hide things until it's ready to load Mar 01 04:47:44 they both say This.Broke.Horribly for a split second until the list is rendered Mar 01 04:47:56 azakus: I made sure to leave that because I found it hilarious Mar 01 04:48:03 zsoc liked it too Mar 01 04:48:26 either way, i like the new transition from one page to another, regaurdless of what it broke. Mar 01 04:48:29 JsTop renders the list so fast that you don't see it but my list is considerably longer so it takes it a second to sort it Mar 01 04:48:47 Decimate: you mean the new fade thing Mar 01 04:48:54 def looks very nice Mar 01 04:49:29 elpollodiablo1: there are multiple reports of SSH breaking in 1.4 but you can set it back up through novaterm and be good to go Mar 01 04:49:36 cryptk|work: yes, i love it. a lot nicer than the old w.e it was. Mar 01 04:49:44 well my novaterm is not working Mar 01 04:49:49 so that is not a good thing Mar 01 04:49:54 elpollodiablo1: hrm... Mar 01 04:50:02 elpollodiablo1: yes, you should migrate to the packages in Preware and use ssh key Mar 01 04:50:04 I haven't tried novaterming in on 1.4 yet Mar 01 04:50:20 yay email works again... time to relink my million contacts Mar 01 04:50:52 I set up ssh back before preware, I was going to try and get my phone fixed tomorrow but I had to do some back ups Mar 01 04:51:10 would the 1.4 update have done anything with ssh? because it cant seem to like my passwords... Mar 01 04:51:48 gkatsev it seems to be a common problem Mar 01 04:52:02 elpollodiablo1: 1.4 overwrote /etc/password, as will probably most future OTA releases Mar 01 04:52:12 i also really like the new card opening with the glowing icon before it loads. Mar 01 04:52:13 oil: How do I throw an indefinite spinner? Mar 01 04:52:33 when user taps "ok" i want it to throw a spinner while its waiting the 3 seconds or so for Luna to die Mar 01 04:52:40 gkatsev, elpollodiablo1: that's why current best practice is to use the packages in preware and ssh keys Mar 01 04:52:41 rwhitby: ah, so, i need to load up WQI and then get rid of the file and then reinstall the optware-bootstrap? Mar 01 04:52:52 gkatsev: no, use the packages from Preware Mar 01 04:53:03 rwhitby: yeah, thats what i mean. Mar 01 04:53:26 reinstall openssh sftp server - it will pull in the rest via dependencies Mar 01 04:54:10 rwhitby: thanks for the info, if I install ssh from preware now would there be any problems considering it is already installed? or should I uninstall ssh then install it through preware? Mar 01 04:55:15 does the preware ssh allow for ssh over edvo and wifi? Mar 01 04:55:35 elpollodiablo1: you edit /etc/event.d/mobi.optware.openssh as before to enable evdo Mar 01 04:55:37 how do i fix a patch that returns a "unreversed patch detected" in wsqi/preware? Mar 01 04:56:23 rwhitby: alright good to know, I was hoping there was away to set it up. Mar 01 04:56:35 any rumors on when flash is gonna hit? Mar 01 04:57:01 elpollodiablo1: you should ideally remove the old ones first, but the preware versions will disable the old versions of the same package Mar 01 04:57:52 rwhitby: I am guessing preware will not beable to remove the old version. Mar 01 04:58:11 elpollodiablo1: correct - you need to use ipkg-opt to remove it Mar 01 04:58:49 whats the current version of WQI? Mar 01 04:58:58 is there a known issue of webOS breaking apps? Mar 01 04:59:00 3.0x Mar 01 04:59:12 Zuchmir2: see @webosinternals tweets Mar 01 04:59:35 i noticed wosqi auto-updates Mar 01 04:59:49 as of recently (im guessing it started with the first 3.x) Mar 01 04:59:49 yeah, as of 3.0x Mar 01 05:00:00 (which is why I didn't need to give the x :-) Mar 01 05:00:10 smart thinkin there ^ Mar 01 05:01:21 wohoo, I get such a helpful error message Mar 01 05:01:22 [20100228-23:01:07.095642] error: null Mar 01 05:03:05 haven't upgraded yet, but am getting reports of failures on webOS 1.4, and wondering if there's any knowledge as to *what* is breaking Mar 01 05:04:41 Zuchmir2: there's brokenness in Luna when you overwrite an application while it's running Mar 01 05:04:57 it restarts luna because of a misaligned read Mar 01 05:05:06 will that pose a problem to updating preware..via preware Mar 01 05:06:04 azakus: that issue has been around a long time ago, that's not new to 1.4 Mar 01 05:07:18 ah, deleted the 210MB webos-patches file from the dir. works well now Mar 01 05:11:41 gkatsev: i planned on doctoring, so that preware problem gave me a quick reason to :) Mar 01 05:12:03 has anyone successfully opened terminal on 1.4? Mar 01 05:12:14 Decimate: known problem apparently Mar 01 05:12:30 gkatsev: preware or terminal? Mar 01 05:12:35 terminal Mar 01 05:12:56 cause im trying to setup ssh and i need terminal to generate keys Mar 01 05:13:01 unless its okay to use novaterm Mar 01 05:13:11 you can use novaterm Mar 01 05:13:12 i tried, and it gave me and authorization error when i tried to log in Mar 01 05:13:30 Use Terminus Mar 01 05:14:57 novaterm doesn't do authorization Mar 01 05:15:28 gkatsev: please tell lots of people who to solve the big file problem Mar 01 05:15:53 anyone knows what is breaking on terminal? Mar 01 05:17:07 what's this on big files? Mar 01 05:17:07 rwhitby: so i cant use novaterm to generate the ssh keys? Mar 01 05:17:17 Decimate: sure you can Mar 01 05:17:28 Zuchmir2, some sort of memory dealloc issue Mar 01 05:17:31 rwhitby: is optware bootstrap still one of the recommened installs? Mar 01 05:17:44 Authentication log (see session log for details): Mar 01 05:17:44 Using username "root". Mar 01 05:17:44 Server refused our key. Mar 01 05:17:45 Authentication failed. Mar 01 05:17:45 is that the same issue that was on 1.3? Mar 01 05:17:58 the plugin's deallocate is being called right away and freeing the memory is causing a seg fault I think if I remember correctly Mar 01 05:17:59 where are the home folders? Mar 01 05:18:01 elpollodiablo1: I outlined above what to do. Install OpenSSH SFTP Server, and read the homepage link in Preware for openssh package. Mar 01 05:18:06 different issue, the 1.3 issue was fixed Mar 01 05:18:09 rwhitby: followed instructions to a t on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH Mar 01 05:18:12 Decimate: that is not novaterm Mar 01 05:18:16 the 1.4 issue hasn't been tracked down yet Mar 01 05:18:37 rwhitby: no thats what i get when i try to login to winscp Mar 01 05:18:47 rwhitby: Any un-installation required before installing the new SSH? Mar 01 05:18:57 Decimate: then you haven't done it right :-) Mar 01 05:19:14 Eguy: prefererred, but not required, as long as you are replacing same with same Mar 01 05:19:28 rwhitby: ive tried it three times... i follow the instructions EXACTLY as written Mar 01 05:19:48 Decimate: creating ssh keys is a well known thing on the internet. please use google. Mar 01 05:20:01 I installed the bootstrap when it was first created, I was just going to install OpenSSH. Mar 01 05:20:08 then update the wiki page with any missing steps Mar 01 05:20:40 but i created the ssh keys fine, and exactracted to my desktop, and converted, and browsed and selected them in winscp AND putty. both gave me the error. Mar 01 05:20:50 Decimate: it's such a common thing that it is not time-efficient for me to help you. sorry. Mar 01 05:21:13 better for you to view a screencast from the internet about it Mar 01 05:21:31 rwhitby: all im saying is that according to the directions, i should be logged in via winscp or putty right now. Mar 01 05:21:35 Decimate: ssh-keygen Mar 01 05:21:47 Decimate: yes, you should be. Mar 01 05:22:27 gkatsev: yes, i generated the keys on my pre, and copied them to my /media/internal, then extracted to my desktop, then converted to a private key. Mar 01 05:23:18 anyone willing to view me on teamviewer? Mar 01 05:25:11 rwhitby: is it really secure to ssh in as root? even with the key? Mar 01 05:25:58 another night ive given up :/ goodnight guys. Mar 01 05:26:04 elpollodiablo1: yes. Mar 01 05:26:29 rwhitby: someone updated the wiki the other day with instructions on how to set up the pre's SSH with putty and winscp Mar 01 05:26:45 so it has more detail now than it used to Mar 01 05:26:52 cryptk|work: yep, there's plenty of info there and on the internet Mar 01 05:26:57 yep Mar 01 05:27:31 hah, i got it to work. Mar 01 05:27:41 get this, it was my fault! crazy, right? Mar 01 05:27:51 Decimate: I'm surprised ;-) Mar 01 05:28:03 Ouch. Mar 01 05:28:25 i forgot to move the key from the original spot, to the authorized_keys subfolder. Mar 01 05:28:28 MAH BADD Mar 01 05:28:58 Problem? Mar 01 05:30:44 Hopefully I don't sound dumb, but I just discovered how we can do mouse over actions on WebOS' browser. All you have to do is tap, hold and then move your finger so you don't activate the link. I don't remember being able to do this last update Mar 01 05:32:47 Does anyone know if Terminus works in 1.4, since Terminal reboots the unit? Mar 01 05:33:32 Yes, it does. Mar 01 05:33:46 Thanks Mar 01 05:34:00 Decimate: your penance is to make sure the wiki page is idiot proof. Mar 01 05:34:36 rwhitby: Are you sure? Mar 01 05:35:29 rwhitby: are you guys talking about the SSH guide on the wiki? Mar 01 05:36:01 rwhitby: i think im the biggest of em all... i just TOTALLY missed a step. Mar 01 05:36:15 pretty in depth though Mar 01 05:38:08 Decimate: Are you guys talking about the SSH guide on the wiki? Mar 01 05:38:20 Eguy: am I sure about what? Mar 01 05:38:24 gollyzila: yes Mar 01 05:38:33 Trusting Decimate :P Mar 01 05:39:11 gollyzila: there are enough people who have used ssh keys that the community should be able to put together a set of wiki pages which takes users of the old optware bootstrap method across to the new preware-based method in detailed idiot-proof steps. Mar 01 05:39:23 I expect someone from the community to take the lead and drive that. Mar 01 05:39:39 I followed the guide word by word before updating to 1.4 and everything went flawless. Mar 01 05:40:36 I'm having a tought time getting preware do download the feeds Mar 01 05:40:42 Who will be that person who is the next level of support for optware openssh migration so that I never again need to answer any questions on it? Mar 01 05:40:59 since before I updated to 1.4 I was having trouble Mar 01 05:42:35 I lost my lock screen clock again :( Thanks palm for not bug testing. Mar 01 05:44:25 has anyone with videos noticed them get deleted / go missing ? Mar 01 05:44:41 I've had 2 videos on my Pre disappear and i know I didn't swipe them off in the video roll app Mar 01 05:45:04 Blame Canada Mar 01 05:45:17 Already did it Mar 01 05:45:19 Damn crosby Mar 01 05:48:28 is there no more "phone offline" when restarting java? Mar 01 05:48:36 nvm Mar 01 05:48:45 just took longer than I'm used to Mar 01 05:48:57 lol Mar 01 05:49:09 Java restarts take longer than they did in 1.3.5 Mar 01 05:49:18 So do reboots Mar 01 05:49:49 what's actually Java on the pre? Mar 01 05:49:57 everything? Mar 01 05:50:05 just finished my 1.4 upgrade. terminal is indeed broken Mar 01 05:50:06 The coffee app Mar 01 05:50:14 background services Mar 01 05:50:15 Yup Mar 01 05:50:20 some of them anyways Mar 01 05:50:34 ah.. Mar 01 05:50:51 package manager service is java Mar 01 05:50:57 where wircd is c Mar 01 05:51:11 I think it is more like a c- Mar 01 05:51:29 * oil is never going to be able to work on wirc anymore Mar 01 05:51:32 weird, when i ssh into my phone it still asks me for the password, even though i got authorized_keys... Mar 01 05:51:42 and services are how you link frontend applications to more behind-the-scenes stuff right? do they have to be java? Mar 01 05:51:48 I need to create one :> Mar 01 05:51:53 gkatsev: You need to let it scan your fingerprint. Mar 01 05:52:04 services are how you do things you can't do with javascript Mar 01 05:52:11 specifically, I need my C++ code to communicate with javascript Mar 01 05:52:52 oil: yeah I get that but where does the actual linkage occur? Mar 01 05:52:58 through dbus Mar 01 05:53:16 hmmm ok Mar 01 05:53:17 calls from javascript to the service Mar 01 05:53:20 which returns the data Mar 01 05:53:24 through the dbus Mar 01 05:54:38 Eguy: how? link? Mar 01 05:54:49 wow, i just realized how easy it is to take apps you buy and give them to everyone in the world for free :O Mar 01 05:54:58 how good is dbus with latency? I need to transfer large arrays (ie float[2048]) at least 30-60 times a second Mar 01 05:55:04 gkatsev: You need to buy the usb fingerprint reader. Mar 01 05:55:19 Eguy: ... Mar 01 05:55:21 30 to 60 times a second? Mar 01 05:55:28 its certainly not that fast Mar 01 05:55:29 gkatsev: :P Mar 01 05:55:44 oil: hmm :p Mar 01 05:56:02 Eguy: but it should work by adding my id_rsa.pub to the authorized_keys file... but still asking me for the password Mar 01 05:56:06 that would probably make it catch fire Mar 01 05:56:06 well I can use SDL for my video but that has issues with updating it seems Mar 01 05:56:32 gkatsev: What program are you using? Mar 01 05:56:39 oil: it's not like a processor can't handle that or anything.. it's a question of whether dbus is made for that kind of thing.. Mar 01 05:56:52 Eguy: gnome-terminal Mar 01 05:57:13 gkatsev: what are you trying to do. i got my ssh to work, is that what you need help with? Mar 01 05:57:18 I think you need to have it transmit the key file Mar 01 05:57:31 I'm not sure with gnome-terminal. Mar 01 05:57:47 I know in putty there is a place to have it auth. Mar 01 05:58:02 tman, i dont think we've ever tested its limits Mar 01 05:58:02 make sure the agent is running Mar 01 05:58:19 oil: k well I'll get on that then ;P Mar 01 05:58:27 ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_pub.rsa root@???? Mar 01 05:58:29 rwhitby, may know though Mar 01 05:58:51 k I'll ask if he surfaces Mar 01 05:58:57 Have a great week everyone. Mar 01 05:59:05 * BoomerET has left the building. Mar 01 06:03:34 who here has bought the sims 3? Mar 01 06:04:20 Decimate: isn't it free for Europeans? Mar 01 06:04:42 gollyzila: i have no idea? Mar 01 06:05:11 I was able to download the European version of Need For Speed. There's a Precentral thread that gives a link on where and how. Mar 01 06:05:45 does anyone know of a good windows app that opens js files? Mar 01 06:06:02 UltraEdit. Mar 01 06:06:12 Dreamweaver Mar 01 06:06:17 Syntax highlighting and all that jazz. Mar 01 06:06:33 'course notepad works too. Mar 01 06:06:40 CardShark: torrenting.. i mean uhm, getting credit card to get right now! Mar 01 06:06:51 Try Notepad+ Mar 01 06:07:04 I believe that one is legitimately free. Mar 01 06:07:07 Tman: what the application you're working on? Mar 01 06:07:16 cardshark: i like syntax highlighting and such though :) Mar 01 06:07:25 I *think* Notepad+ does it too. Mar 01 06:07:44 rwhitby: real-time analyzer (RTA). I need to transmit a lot of graph points from C++ code for javascript to graph Mar 01 06:07:46 Decimate: you might want to ask in #webos, where the javascript programmers hang out ... Mar 01 06:07:53 Decimate likes to "acquire" things :P Mar 01 06:07:55 virtual keyboard is ported Mar 01 06:08:02 Tman: what does it analyze? Mar 01 06:08:10 Thanks egaudet. Mar 01 06:08:21 egaudet: shall I tweet that? Mar 01 06:08:27 Eguy: i paid too much for this computer... Mar 01 06:08:27 rwhitby: sound frequencies. I'm using ALSA and a FFT library, which is working Mar 01 06:08:29 yes please Mar 01 06:08:48 Decimate: How much? Mar 01 06:08:59 tell people to install "CLEANUP VKB files" package first Mar 01 06:09:26 Eguy: too much, noneya :P Mar 01 06:09:27 egaudet: why can't we put that in the postinst for the virtual keyboard? Mar 01 06:09:35 (i.e. do it automatically) Mar 01 06:09:41 because vkb as a patch has no custom postinst Mar 01 06:09:48 it has aupt postinst Mar 01 06:09:49 egaudet: so change it. Mar 01 06:09:51 but i can depend on it Mar 01 06:09:55 change what? Mar 01 06:09:57 change aupt? Mar 01 06:10:10 change vkb to have both aupt and custom postinst Mar 01 06:10:19 just cat two postinst files together Mar 01 06:10:42 that's getting into -weird- territory though Mar 01 06:10:50 cleanup vkb files need a reboot right? Mar 01 06:10:58 if there's something from an old version that needs to be cleaned up, the postinst for the new version should automatically clean it up Mar 01 06:11:07 it kind of violates the 1 common script world of aupt Mar 01 06:11:20 egaudet: vkb is already pretty special Mar 01 06:11:43 and it's a transient addition, right? next version of webOS it goes away Mar 01 06:11:48 true, it's always a special pain lol Mar 01 06:11:59 next version of aupt it goes away Mar 01 06:12:11 rwhitby: anyway.. do you think that dbus can handle relatively large amounts of data at low latencies like that? (need to update the screen at >30fps) Mar 01 06:12:21 egaudet: I'd really rather tweet that cleanup vkb files is no longer needed, just install the new version of vkb ... Mar 01 06:12:27 now there's nota looming big update I can put more thought into the image addition part of AUPT in the next iteration Mar 01 06:12:41 rwhitby, yeah alright I'll add it Mar 01 06:12:48 CardShark: UltraEdit auto backs up files that i edit and save, im liking it. Mar 01 06:12:58 egaudet: thanks, it will save you time answering questions in the long run Mar 01 06:13:10 Decimate: It's awesome. I've been using it for YEARS! Beta testing the latest version. Mar 01 06:13:27 Tman: dunno, if you've watched preware loading data, you'd think not. Mar 01 06:13:47 rwhitby: lol is that the choke point? then that could be bad news.. Mar 01 06:14:12 so palm has plans for the messaging app to support Aim, Yahoo, Google, MSN, Jabber, and ICQ altogether it seems. Mar 01 06:14:29 Tman: it's java reading a file, converting it to JSON, passing it across dbus, then parsing it in javascript. Mar 01 06:14:30 rwhitby: another option is using SDL to graph but I'm having an screen update issue with that that won't go away :/ Mar 01 06:14:42 Decimate: Where did you see that? Mar 01 06:15:03 palm setting labels for each of them in various files Mar 01 06:15:06 rwhitby: well I'll do some experimenting and see what happens Mar 01 06:15:17 im looking through messaging, launcher, etc files atm, finding stuff i want to edit :) Mar 01 06:15:39 Ah. Mar 01 06:16:14 rwhitby: i'm working on getting X staged so others besides jacques+myself can poke at it :) and just because it's a useful step for moving forward. if it builds cleanly and whatnot but has the rendering issues we're fighting is that reason to push it into /nonworking ? Mar 01 06:16:24 and it list yahoo and bing as global search options, although they arent there? weird. Mar 01 06:16:39 They are commended out I think. Mar 01 06:16:44 commented* Mar 01 06:17:04 dtzWill: yeah, nonworking until it works :-) Mar 01 06:17:39 rwhitby: DEPENDS doesn't work across that boundary, right? so just assume people have build everything in /packages and only DEPENDS things in nonworking? Mar 01 06:17:43 rwhitby: kk ty Mar 01 06:17:58 dtzWill: DEPENDS=../nonworking/foo ../nonworking/bar Mar 01 06:18:08 (I think, ask zsoc) Mar 01 06:18:59 rwhitby: okay, thank you very much :) Mar 01 06:20:28 I think I'm going to try and make Preware download and install free apps from the app catalog tonight. Mar 01 06:21:12 I have a cunning plan. Mar 01 06:21:21 rwhitby: ooo that's excellent. Mar 01 06:21:28 Bond? Mar 01 06:21:58 * rwhitby waits for a Black Adder Baldrick reference ... Mar 01 06:22:29 rwhitby: a plan so cunning... you could put a tail on it and call it a fox? Mar 01 06:22:42 * rwhitby kisses raster Mar 01 06:22:54 ewwwwwwwwwww Mar 01 06:22:59 * raster wipes the slobber off Mar 01 06:23:06 (in a Black Adder kissing Baldrick kind of way, with a stick) Mar 01 06:23:08 Where's an /eyeroll command when you need one. Mar 01 06:23:10 run away... run away! Mar 01 06:23:26 raster: a big stick, across the head, kind of kiss :-) Mar 01 06:23:32 oooh Mar 01 06:23:35 that kiss Mar 01 06:23:54 here's where you say "Thank you my lord" Mar 01 06:24:58 * raster mauls rwhitby with his sharp, white, pointy teeth Mar 01 06:25:00 I guess I missed that movie. I love Atkinson though. Mar 01 06:25:32 raster: It's as cunning as a fox what used to be Professor of Cunning at Oxford University but has moved on, and is now working for the UN at the High Commission of International Cunning Planning? Mar 01 06:25:46 s/?/!/ Mar 01 06:25:48 rwhitby meant: raster: It's as cunning as a fox what used to be Professor of Cunning at Oxford University but has moved on, and is now working for the UN at the High Commission of International Cunning Planning! Mar 01 06:26:30 rwhitby: how do I call restartluna from the palm bus? Mar 01 06:26:39 s/palm/private/ Mar 01 06:26:39 dBsooner meant: rwhitby: how do I call restartluna from the private bus? Mar 01 06:26:49 dBsooner: UTSL Mar 01 06:27:00 Preware does it, right? Mar 01 06:27:10 preware calls ipkgservice Mar 01 06:27:12 to do it Mar 01 06:27:18 cause its not on private bus Mar 01 06:27:23 right, so UTipkgserviceSL Mar 01 06:27:24 i have tried: Mar 01 06:27:24 this.controller.serviceRequest('palm://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice', { Mar 01 06:27:24 method: "restartluna", Mar 01 06:27:24 parameters: {} Mar 01 06:27:24 }); Mar 01 06:27:47 dBsooner: cut and paste the code from Preware Mar 01 06:28:00 rwhitby: that cunning eh? Mar 01 06:30:21 i think im going to set preware so only the patch feed loads Mar 01 06:30:28 thats all i use it for.. Mar 01 06:30:52 Decimate: I did a similar thing Mar 01 06:31:28 raster: All I need is some feathers, a dress, some oil, an easel, some sleeping draught, lots of paper, a prostitute and the best portrait painter in England. Mar 01 06:32:15 you've got that one licked Mar 01 06:32:16 :) Mar 01 06:32:17 lol, that message made irc ding Mar 01 06:32:51 Hmm vkb isn't downloading for me Mar 01 06:32:59 Just stuck at downloading/replacing. Mar 01 06:34:52 * rwhitby bbl Mar 01 06:38:19 my camera app isnt working :/ Mar 01 06:38:46 What's not working? Mar 01 06:38:58 the app... :P i load and i get a blank grey screen Mar 01 06:39:12 Did you take the lense cap off? Mar 01 06:39:24 :P Mar 01 06:39:27 Nicely done CardShark. Mar 01 06:39:35 Ah vkb finally installed. Mar 01 06:40:03 im gonna take the camera app from the doctor and replace mine with it Mar 01 06:40:10 maybe i did something i dont know about? Mar 01 06:40:48 Maybe a reboot will fix it? Mar 01 06:41:08 Is it grey with recent picture behind it? Mar 01 06:42:35 restarting luna, replaced it with the fresh app from the doctor, if it doesnt work, ill reboot. if that doesnt work, ill explore into it more with eguy :) my friend is getting a pre plus and i told him about the update. can't have this happening when i go to school to show it off to him. Mar 01 06:43:10 Ahhh school.... Mar 01 06:43:14 Good times. Mar 01 06:43:24 replaced it with the doctor app, didnt work :/ rebooting. Mar 01 06:43:42 Sounds like you have a bigger problem. Mar 01 06:44:02 yeah, it would seem so. Mar 01 06:44:12 im not sleeping for school until its fixed though. Mar 01 06:44:24 It's just a phone :P Mar 01 06:44:27 Does CLEANUP VKB files need a restart after install? Mar 01 06:44:34 gollyzila: Yes Mar 01 06:44:41 Eguy: one mans phone is another mans life. Mar 01 06:44:44 It's THE phone Mar 01 06:44:52 Luna restart probably would be fine Mar 01 06:45:02 do you need to uninstall cleanup vkb after luna restart then install vkb? Mar 01 06:45:36 It removes itself after the reboot. Mar 01 06:45:57 You will need to remove the vkb folder from /media/internal though Mar 01 06:46:38 hmm, restart fixed it. weird. Mar 01 06:48:40 I need a stand to hold my devices in landscape. something like playdough where it can mold to anything Mar 01 06:48:50 but something that smells nicer Mar 01 06:49:00 Playdoh is better off digested Mar 01 06:50:15 I think playdough would smell worse after it's digested Mar 01 06:55:47 hah, im so bored i just recorded a video of me demoing my dual-display touchscreen monitors...uploading to youtube :P i love my pre. Mar 01 06:55:47 CLEANUP VKB didn't cleanup the files. I had to do It manually. it wasn't a pain, but there are some that don't know SSH or any Terminal commands Mar 01 06:59:48 how big is the virtual keyboard download... ive been downloding for like.. a while. Mar 01 07:00:07 couple of kb Mar 01 07:00:11 I'm excited to see how our phones handle Flash. Hopefully it's a tap-to-activate process. also, Palm needs to name their Browser. Mar 01 07:00:21 decimate it takes a while Mar 01 07:00:47 gollyzila2, it looks like it's not a tap to activate process, but rather a Mar 01 07:00:56 my setup demo uploaded, yayyy :) who wants to see once its processed? Mar 01 07:01:00 gollyzila2, flash files that are on the site (ie: same domain name) auto-open Mar 01 07:01:17 gollyzila2, but flash files that are linked from another site (likely to be ads) don't auto-open (then you tap to open) Mar 01 07:01:56 gollyzila2, that's what i at least gathered from seeing the several preview videos of it and assessing how they would try to keep you from being annoyed by ads all over your phones browser Mar 01 07:02:05 good morning Mar 01 07:02:11 right, 1-4 is available? Mar 01 07:02:24 no, 1.4 isnt out yet..still waiting. Mar 01 07:02:34 for Verizon? Mar 01 07:02:35 Bummer, VKB still doesn't delete in browser Mar 01 07:02:39 1.4 doesn't exist. Mar 01 07:02:47 whats a 1.4? Mar 01 07:03:00 1.4 + 1.4 = 5 Mar 01 07:03:36 5.0 is the next update. Mar 01 07:03:51 5.1 Mar 01 07:04:11 5.1 will add a virtual keyboard. Mar 01 07:04:22 But it costs $99. Mar 01 07:04:50 hey.. webos 1.4 is downloading on my pre.. Mar 01 07:04:56 what are you guys talking about. 5.1 is old. I'm rocking firmware version • Mar 01 07:05:00 noaXess: ITS OUT?!?!? Mar 01 07:05:20 itŝ downloading.. thats why i ask here.. is there anything to look befor upgrade? Mar 01 07:05:33 gollyzila2: You lie! Mar 01 07:05:49 aww man, its out guys. get ready for all the questions. hopefully preware servers dont break...that would sure suck. but that would never happen... Mar 01 07:05:57 noaXess: You need to turn it off right now! 1.4 will destroy your phone! Mar 01 07:06:12 You need to install 1.3.6. Mar 01 07:06:12 Eguy: a friend has successfully updated it.. Mar 01 07:06:24 Eguy: and how? Mar 01 07:06:43 Email update@palm.com and ask for them to send it to you! Mar 01 07:06:47 is there a howto, information page? Mar 01 07:06:51 omg, on youtube before a video is processed the quality SUCKS Mar 01 07:07:00 I think he believes you guys are serious Mar 01 07:07:09 gollyzila2: shhh. Mar 01 07:07:10 gollyzila2: You're right. Mar 01 07:07:14 decimate what's the URL? Mar 01 07:07:19 gollyzila2: what you havent gotten λ yet? you're missing out. Mar 01 07:07:28 lol, guys, look at how bad this quality is before the video is finished processing Mar 01 07:07:29 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eRiEz-a9uc Mar 01 07:08:00 Yes, why don't you TURN A LIGHT ON. Mar 01 07:08:08 Of course it is going to be that bad. Mar 01 07:08:22 nooo, its good. but before its processed. Mar 01 07:08:31 i even have my video camera light patch on :) Mar 01 07:08:40 or install jason's flash patch Mar 01 07:08:48 ah, so you do Mar 01 07:09:03 you can see on the reflection of my monitor. Mar 01 07:09:06 Decimate: hp machine? Mar 01 07:09:08 Eguy: why is there no information page on webos-internals.org Mar 01 07:09:12 Who needs two touchscreen monitors? Mar 01 07:09:13 gkatsev: yes. Mar 01 07:09:17 about the 1.4 problem? Mar 01 07:09:21 Eguy: who doesnt? Mar 01 07:09:29 noaXess: its all over the web... Mar 01 07:09:30 Decimate: are both touchscreen? Mar 01 07:09:32 Everyone in the world Mar 01 07:09:35 gkatsev: yes. Mar 01 07:09:43 Decimate: ? Mar 01 07:09:49 noaXess: I don't know what you are talking about. Mar 01 07:09:54 What is webos-internals? Mar 01 07:09:57 Decimate: external touchscreen monitor to the HP machine? Mar 01 07:10:14 gkatsev: i dont understand? :/ Mar 01 07:10:20 oh, yes. Mar 01 07:10:26 not that touchsmart crap :P Mar 01 07:10:37 ah, ok. i see Mar 01 07:10:39 Eguy: what are you thinking is this channel for? Mar 01 07:10:44 Touchsmart uses N-Trig which is tragic. Mar 01 07:10:45 Decimate: i assumed. Mar 01 07:10:58 noaXess: this channel is for iphones, right? Mar 01 07:11:08 iPhone and Android. Mar 01 07:11:20 wow... there are people that are drinking to much beer. ;).. please.. Mar 01 07:11:24 also, for feature phones Mar 01 07:11:30 and windows mobile Mar 01 07:11:46 lg chocolate Mar 01 07:11:47 Yes, gkatsev. This channel is for Samsung Instinct users! Mar 01 07:11:49 Eguy: just refreshed the page of my youtube video. quality is a lot better now. Mar 01 07:11:58 Eguy: haha, yes Mar 01 07:12:08 motorolla razr. Mar 01 07:12:09 Take it outside tomorrow, it takes great video. Mar 01 07:12:20 Eguy: i was considering getting it when it came out. then realized it sucked. Mar 01 07:12:44 gkatsev: My brother got one sadly. Mar 01 07:12:50 but before the hero and the pre/pixi came out on sprint, it was probably the best/cheapest phone on sprint Mar 01 07:12:51 gkatsev: i tried to tell my brother not to get it... he didnt listen. he was like "its going to kill the iphone!" Mar 01 07:12:55 which is sad... Mar 01 07:13:00 He has thrown it against the wall a few times. Mar 01 07:13:14 though, the commercials for it were cool Mar 01 07:13:18 It really is bad. Mar 01 07:13:24 Worse than the pixi. Mar 01 07:13:33 i bought an lg dare... so i didnt do much better. Mar 01 07:13:42 i HATED that phone. Mar 01 07:13:55 That's for girls Decimate. Mar 01 07:13:55 hey guys was up to you? Mar 01 07:14:11 English noaXess. Mar 01 07:14:15 i had an SCP-7050 (still do actually) i kind of like it because it is ruggedized. Mar 01 07:14:23 Eguy: i was 12, dont judge me. Mar 01 07:14:32 So 1 year ago? Mar 01 07:14:36 Eguy: 2 Mar 01 07:14:39 HA! Mar 01 07:14:44 Ba-zing! Mar 01 07:14:54 Eguy: you are not sheldon Mar 01 07:14:56 Eguy: 2, seriously :P Mar 01 07:15:14 Eguy: Decimate is the youngest guy here. younger even than kesne Mar 01 07:15:30 why does 1.4 break the pre/pixi? Mar 01 07:15:39 That makes us all pedobears. Mar 01 07:15:43 oh man. 15 days more days!!! Mar 01 07:16:25 gkatsev: 15 more days till... Mar 01 07:16:34 He can get wasted Mar 01 07:16:35 my b-day. till i can drink legally Mar 01 07:16:47 mines the 30th Mar 01 07:16:57 Eguy: im not gonna get wasted. i dont do that. Mar 01 07:17:05 You will. Mar 01 07:17:05 but its nice to have the choice Mar 01 07:17:16 gkatsev: you don't do that, yet. Mar 01 07:17:33 Decimate: no, i dont. i couldve done it if i felt like. i had plenty of chances Mar 01 07:17:44 gkatsev: haven't we all? :) Mar 01 07:17:45 last year we had a party every tuesday. Mar 01 07:17:55 Just one day a week? Mar 01 07:17:56 noaXess: go back 72 hours for @webosinternals on twitter Mar 01 07:18:12 Geesh we have gone off topic. Mar 01 07:18:26 its 2 AM, who cares? :P Mar 01 07:18:34 11:30pm* Mar 01 07:18:36 Eguy: well, we had work and classes. so, we had the tuesday party and then sometimes we had other parties on weekends Mar 01 07:18:40 no one else is talking. Mar 01 07:18:40 17* Mar 01 07:18:41 for the people that are out of school, is life easier or harder now that you're out of school? Mar 01 07:18:43 Decimate: depends who you ask Mar 01 07:18:51 Decimate: for rwhitby its GMT+10:30 Mar 01 07:18:55 gollyzila2: Depends Mar 01 07:19:12 its, almost 6PM for him Mar 01 07:19:22 I love my job so it doesn't bring me down Mar 01 07:19:24 gollyzila2: are you currently in school? Mar 01 07:19:28 i hear college is the easiest time of all, is it true? Mar 01 07:19:33 Eguy: what do you do again? Mar 01 07:19:37 rwhitby: which entry on twitter? Mar 01 07:19:37 Decimate: yeah, good luck with that Mar 01 07:19:40 gkatsev I am Mar 01 07:19:49 gkatsev: IT Network Admin Mar 01 07:19:49 Eguy: standup comedian? Mar 01 07:19:53 gollyzila2: High/college? Mar 01 07:20:02 high, senior Mar 01 07:20:10 gollyzila2: where you looking at? Mar 01 07:20:20 me as a freshmen, senior days cant come soon enough. Mar 01 07:20:20 gollyzila2: or have you decided by now? Mar 01 07:20:25 Decimate: Not if you actually want to get a degree. Mar 01 07:20:41 my highschool is famous. just google "newton south high school" Mar 01 07:20:47 or, wikipedia it Mar 01 07:21:01 still undecided Mar 01 07:21:09 what are you famous for? :P Mar 01 07:21:19 gollyzila2: Any interests in career paths? Mar 01 07:21:23 Decimate: google "newton south scavanger hunt" Mar 01 07:21:27 Decimate: or read the wikipedia page Mar 01 07:21:29 Decimate: BTW, the people who read the logs of the channel looking for on-topic other timezone information care ... Mar 01 07:21:38 Can someone tell me, please, what gcc,binutils,{g,uc}libc, etc. etc. versions are used in WebOS? On these pages http://opensource.palm.com/1.3.1/index.html the versions of the build chain tools are not listed. Mar 01 07:21:45 that's why we have #webos-watercooler Mar 01 07:21:55 A relevant question! Mar 01 07:21:57 yeah, we should probably migrate there Mar 01 07:22:07 lmao at that scavenger junt Mar 01 07:22:14 rwhitby: thank you... Mar 01 07:22:27 sunmasterII: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=toolchain/cs08q1armel/Makefile Mar 01 07:22:51 to the watercooler! Mar 01 07:22:56 eguy: maybe coding or something in computers. Hacking WebOS is a lot of fun for me. Mar 01 07:22:59 (that's what we use for webos-internals compiles) Mar 01 07:23:22 gollyzila2: Join #webos-watercooler Mar 01 07:23:37 sunmasterII: actually, http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/package1787/public/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2007q3-51-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 is the exact one that Palm uses Mar 01 07:23:49 glibc 2.5 is the main thing you need Mar 01 07:27:35 rwhitby: Thanks you for the links. But if the 2007q3-51 is the one Palm uses, why does Makefile you referenced from git point to a newer one? Mar 01 07:29:07 Do you on webos-internal not try to (re)build as exactly as possible? Mar 01 07:33:03 sunmasterII: for the widk, we use the exact one. the 2008q1 feed was already built for optware, so we use that. Mar 01 07:37:18 rwhitby: Okay, thanks. Mar 01 07:41:41 rwhitby, vkb is good to tweet now Mar 01 07:41:57 egaudet: thx for that. the users will appreciate it Mar 01 07:42:26 Is anyone working on a patch to make vibration alerts for texts as long as they used to be instead of the same duration as E-mail vibrate alerts? Mar 01 07:42:27 Works great as well. Mar 01 07:46:01 waiting to see jaycanuck's video flashlight patch show up in preware Mar 01 07:46:22 jhojho: is that stopping you from using it..? Mar 01 07:46:34 alright, good night Mar 01 07:46:46 nah. just prefer to install from preware. Mar 01 07:46:52 retweeted Mar 01 07:47:04 egaudet: night. work tomorrow? Mar 01 07:53:35 hm... preware is stuck at loading package info... Mar 01 08:07:09 * rwhitby implements part 1 of his cunning plan Mar 01 08:08:11 internets explode Mar 01 08:08:26 is everyone having issues updating their patches from the 1.4 update? Mar 01 08:09:02 chris__: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/232820-patches-1-4-you.html Mar 01 08:09:42 42% had no problems. The other 58% didn't listen :-) Mar 01 08:09:52 thanks i'll check it out Mar 01 08:09:55 (or were affected by an overloaded server) Mar 01 08:13:58 I just had a great idea. Preware should only download free apps that are *not* available in all countries. Mar 01 08:14:12 (free app catalog apps) Mar 01 08:18:29 I already bought NFS :( Mar 01 08:19:13 is it fre in US too? Mar 01 08:20:36 MetaView: no Mar 01 08:20:58 Oh Mar 01 08:25:54 rwhitby: I may made some mistake yesterday during git update? the log lines looked strange Mar 01 08:26:12 MetaView: which repo? Mar 01 08:26:17 build Mar 01 08:26:50 MetaView 1.0.4 Mar 01 08:27:03 MetaView Merge branch 'master' of git@git.webos-internals.org... Mar 01 08:27:25 I still have some learning curve for git, sry Mar 01 08:27:42 MetaView: that just means someone else independently updated the build repo, and git automatically merged the two changes because there was no content conflict. It's normal. Mar 01 08:28:01 It is not an erro. Mar 01 08:28:02 r Mar 01 08:28:16 ok, thx Mar 01 08:33:04 so fwiw, updating to 1.4 does not remove ebag's standalone gps hack Mar 01 08:36:10 jhojho: is that gps hack worth it? Mar 01 08:36:38 depends if you want standalone gps. Mar 01 08:36:54 it does seem to acquire a signal more quickly Mar 01 08:37:42 but ymmv since there is no app that can use standalone gps other than ##GPS# Mar 01 08:43:05 why not? Mar 01 08:47:50 rwhitby: tonight I will add the correct screenshots for Duke3D, is linking to the quake ones... Mar 01 08:54:50 Dunno if any of you guys had the m.nytimes.com issue, but it looks like it was on the NYT's end, not the browser. It's working fine now. Mar 01 08:58:05 can anyone here help me fix my usr account? They got reset after the 1.4 update Mar 01 08:58:26 linux usr account on my pre* Mar 01 08:58:40 morning Mar 01 08:59:07 i dont think anyone is here Mar 01 08:59:50 oh Mar 01 09:00:27 yea, i needed help resetting up my linux account on my Pre b/c it got deleted after the 1.4 update Mar 01 09:01:22 hm. my Terminal app is b0rked Mar 01 09:01:33 i wanted to replace it by "Terminus" Mar 01 09:01:41 yea, but Terminus works until they fix Terminal Mar 01 09:01:47 but its gone from my optware feed Mar 01 09:02:16 wierd, its still on mine. It was just "Unknown" Mar 01 09:03:16 aaahhh. hsould look there ... Mar 01 09:05:57 perfect Mar 01 09:06:01 thanks a lot Mar 01 09:06:24 np Mar 01 09:06:36 so you need to reset your user account on pre? Mar 01 09:07:13 yea, the last time I did it was last year for the first time and everything wasn't "automated" Mar 01 09:07:45 ur supposed to be able to install some optware bootstrap that will do it but there is no prompt for entering anything Mar 01 09:07:46 hmm. my normal user is deleted, too. Mar 01 09:08:03 HebrewzHammer: these days you install from Preware and set up ssh keys, not requiring a second user so it doesn't get deleted in OTA updates. Mar 01 09:09:29 well, i logg in from outside via ssh, and do not want to use root... Mar 01 09:10:19 hi rwhitby, btw Mar 01 09:10:24 then you will need to re-add the user every time webOS is updated Mar 01 09:10:59 aaah ok. so just adduser Mar 01 09:11:04 thanks Mar 01 09:11:26 so, I installed the optware bootstrap from Preware, now what do i do? Mar 01 09:12:11 open terminus Mar 01 09:12:18 HebrewzHammer: which wiki page are you following? Mar 01 09:12:28 I just wanna be able to login to my Pre via PuTTY or WinSCP like I was before Mar 01 09:13:11 well i was trying to follow the "Next Steps" page but there's really nothing to follow Mar 01 09:13:17 open terminus, remount the filesystem and adduser Mar 01 09:14:14 umm, i think i just found where to go and what to do. Is it the OpenSSH page? Mar 01 09:15:33 yea, looks like if I just read the big red box at the top of the other page telling me what to do I wouldn't be here wasting ppl's time Mar 01 09:15:44 for me the adduser thing worked ;) Mar 01 09:15:49 thanks to all. Mar 01 09:15:56 * masterhit bows Mar 01 09:16:02 anyone else having a lot of problems with preware? Mar 01 09:16:11 \o/ Mar 01 09:16:17 adduser idn't work for me, i'm just gonna follow the key instructions Mar 01 09:16:52 nah, Preware is working fine for me. Every now and then it hangs while loading packages but if I just tell it to update everything again it will work Mar 01 09:34:19 morning Mar 01 09:34:49 my pres aggravating me as usual. normally it takes me 7 r so attempts to sign into aim but isnce doctoring last night it wont sign me in Mar 01 09:35:00 also is everyone elses pdf reader screwed Mar 01 09:35:39 goddamn why is aim always like this on the pre Mar 01 09:36:09 on the plus side, after 40 attempts and a doctor, radiotime actually installed Mar 01 09:40:27 downloading quickinstaller again. when it downloads the doctor and says gsm, there is more than one gsm..so which one is it and will it be 1.4? Mar 01 10:10:33 x staged :D Mar 01 10:10:49 same issues as before; doesn't render right (and installing the built stuff takes a little poking) Mar 01 10:10:51 but \o/ Mar 01 10:39:21 got a theme i cant remove, does not show up in preware Mar 01 10:39:40 or themer Mar 01 10:42:41 does anyone know the path where a theme zip would be located Mar 01 10:42:47 so i can delete Mar 01 11:09:57 nvm just reinstalled the xml and it worked Mar 01 11:17:14 im getting loads of ipkg errors all of a sudden preware wont install anything Mar 01 11:29:12 not unusual if you're using a theme Mar 01 11:32:32 theres a black theme i want but when i open the zip to remove some of the images and rezip it wont install says invalid xml file Mar 01 11:32:40 do you also have to edit the xml file Mar 01 11:34:25 also since 1.4 the pre constantly drops date connection its random Mar 01 11:34:30 and infuriating Mar 01 11:34:37 ~*data Mar 01 11:59:13 hey Mar 01 11:59:22 is Mojo.Log.error broken in 1.4? Mar 01 13:28:17 hi Mar 01 13:28:59 I have a problem updating some patches Mar 01 13:30:04 is someone willing to help? Mar 01 13:33:26 are there any known issues? Mar 01 13:37:05 is it too early? everyone's still sleeping? ;) Mar 01 13:37:43 yes Mar 01 13:37:48 * jtrucks is sleep-ircing Mar 01 13:41:26 ok, I guess i'll come back later... Mar 01 13:47:58 sweet Mar 01 13:48:03 i got the black screen of update death Mar 01 14:35:18 hi all Mar 01 14:43:10 hello Mar 01 14:52:29 does anybody use netstat? Mar 01 14:53:04 after yesterday's update traffic history does not work Mar 01 14:58:10 i installed it yesterday Mar 01 14:58:14 i haven't looked at it yet though Mar 01 14:58:49 hrm, mine tells me netstatd isn't running Mar 01 15:38:19 Mar 01 15:40:34 anyway to get a pre to work out of the US ? Mar 01 15:41:50 Shouldn't be too hard, pretty sure there are multiple GSM versions for use outside the US aren't there? Mar 01 15:42:41 I'm not sure that's why I'm asking :) Mar 01 15:43:00 DrFunk: yes, there are lots of GSM versions and you can buy them unlocked Mar 01 15:43:06 pretty sure from O2 Mar 01 15:43:16 DrFunk: what country are you in? Mar 01 15:43:34 cryptk: my buddie wanted to take his phone Mar 01 15:43:36 DrFunk: http://is.gd/9soH8 Mar 01 15:43:47 I'm in US Mar 01 15:44:15 so cryptk he has to buy a phone than correct ? Mar 01 15:44:20 ahhhh, so your buddy has a pre in the US already and he wants to take it outside the US with him? Mar 01 15:44:31 that's gonna be more complicated Mar 01 15:44:33 or does he not have one yet? Mar 01 15:44:50 yes Mar 01 15:45:23 cryptk: he has one already Mar 01 15:46:39 I was thinking maybe a software thing but guess that's a no go Mar 01 15:48:03 so cryptk he has to buy another phone correct ? Mar 01 15:48:23 ack Mar 01 15:48:44 mikewx: he has to buy another phone right Mar 01 15:49:02 almost certainly :( Mar 01 15:49:06 Anyone here speak German? Mar 01 15:49:23 or Spanish? Mar 01 15:49:49 ok mikewx that's a fact right noway around it Mar 01 15:50:05 dBsooner: what are you trying to do ? Mar 01 15:50:18 port my patch to world release Mar 01 15:50:25 I need "Call Log" in other language Mar 01 15:50:32 s/language/languages/ Mar 01 15:50:32 dBsooner meant: I need "Call Log" in other languages Mar 01 15:50:39 and "Hide Call Duration" Mar 01 15:51:04 ok you said speak spanish what do you need to no Mar 01 15:51:37 not so much speak, but be able to translate for me. :) Mar 01 15:51:40 I don't trust "google" Mar 01 15:52:06 what do you want to translate Mar 01 15:52:10 "call log" Mar 01 15:52:17 and "Hide Call Duration" Mar 01 15:53:44 I believe call log is Mar 01 15:53:47 registro de llamadas Mar 01 15:54:32 instead of "Hide Call Duration" .. lets make it "Show Call Durations" Mar 01 15:55:23 for the other I believe it's Mar 01 15:55:30 Ocultar la duración de llamadas Mar 01 15:55:52 that's hide Mar 01 15:56:34 Mostrar durac Mar 01 15:57:07 that's what my buddy told me he's PR Mar 01 15:57:43 close enough.. I was just about to ask my PR buddy Mar 01 15:58:02 so mikewx am I really shit out of luck Mar 01 15:58:20 Monstrar duración de llamadas ? Mar 01 15:58:43 for ? Mar 01 15:58:47 show ? Mar 01 15:58:48 "Show Call Durations" Mar 01 15:59:05 DrFunk: i doubt it, but your friend probably is. It's just like every other american gsm phone, it's locked to it's carrier Mar 01 15:59:23 Mostrar duración llamada Mar 01 15:59:44 not llamadas? Mar 01 16:00:11 well that's what my buddy said Mar 01 16:00:42 don't forget he's PR lol Mar 01 16:02:46 PR Mar 01 16:02:50 they are silly Mar 01 16:03:00 dBsooner: tell me about it Mar 01 16:03:47 I will be back in a little while I have class for a hour Mar 01 16:14:14 oil: you there? Mar 01 16:14:37 for like 10 seconds before i walk out the door to go to work Mar 01 16:14:47 ok.. real quick Mar 01 16:14:55 its not going to be fast enough Mar 01 16:15:00 im already gone Mar 01 16:15:02 do you know if I set trueValue and falseValue in a widget Mar 01 16:15:06 will it translate? Mar 01 16:15:13 dang Mar 01 16:28:14 Did WebOS 1.4 knock out all patches on my palm Pre and make it nuable to reconnect to preware to download them Mar 01 16:48:36 ok dbsooner, what was your q Mar 01 16:49:11 i figured it out Mar 01 16:49:20 howdy Mar 01 16:49:27 well thats good Mar 01 16:49:30 trueLabel: $L('Yes') Mar 01 16:49:45 and then set "Yes": "Si" in strings.json Mar 01 16:50:19 right Mar 01 16:51:10 i just wish someone was here that spoke GERMAN Mar 01 16:51:26 I got french, spanish and italian down Mar 01 16:51:48 <- Mar 01 16:52:01 you do? Mar 01 16:52:10 yep Mar 01 16:52:13 Call Log Mar 01 16:52:17 Hide Call Durations Mar 01 16:52:19 Anruf Maschinenbordbuch ? Mar 01 16:52:34 Verstecken Sie Ruf Zeitdauer ? Mar 01 16:52:46 dBsooner: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=blob;f=resources/de/strings.json;h=c587e841c971a09eb0bcc34a03d787ab3701d984;hb=HEAD Mar 01 16:53:02 oilsworkn: I got Yes and No Mar 01 16:53:03 lol Mar 01 16:53:04 those are easy Mar 01 16:53:05 Ja Mar 01 16:53:10 oh Mar 01 16:53:16 dBsooner: Mey, I'm german what di you need? Mar 01 16:53:21 just tryin to be helpful xD Mar 01 16:53:22 Call Log = Anruferliste Mar 01 16:53:25 I just need to figure out "Call Log" and "Hide Call Durations" Mar 01 16:53:42 Hide Call Durations = Verstecke die Anrufdauer Mar 01 16:53:53 Hide call duration= Anrufdauer verbergen Mar 01 16:53:57 jep Mar 01 16:53:59 also right Mar 01 16:54:07 wiii Mar 01 16:54:14 Thanks! Mar 01 16:54:20 i am porting my patch to World Release Mar 01 16:54:33 'Anrufdauer verbergen' is better Mar 01 16:54:40 your welcome. I tried this path and it diden work fpr germany. So I'm verry willing to help you dBsooner ;-) Mar 01 16:54:52 hape: i'll send you the .patch file in a second Mar 01 16:54:58 I need someone to test it Mar 01 16:54:59 :) Mar 01 16:55:02 i can't test german stuff Mar 01 16:56:06 ok, but please include the call for the patch command. I'm fiting with it every time again. Mar 01 16:56:20 k Mar 01 16:58:22 weeee Mar 01 17:00:05 so should I EPR before 1.4ing? Mar 01 17:00:15 nah Mar 01 17:00:35 * r0dent wonders if there's a FAQ Mar 01 17:01:32 I wonder if it messes up greg_roll's jabber patches Mar 01 17:07:12 gregs plugins are not working on 1.4 Mar 01 17:07:41 thats why my pre is still on 1.3.5 ;) Mar 01 17:11:39 palm, please put up the 1.4 opensource packages, thanks. Mar 01 17:12:32 lol Mar 01 17:13:37 jacques: threw x11 into git, fwiw Mar 01 17:15:04 dtzWill: nice. I'll take a look tonight :-) Mar 01 17:15:46 dtzWill: someone else was having a similiar rendering issue with SDL - tman I think Mar 01 17:17:38 dtzWill: have you tried X with 1.4 ? I haven't Mar 01 17:17:52 I suppose it's possible the issue is solved :-) Mar 01 17:17:58 jacques: it is not unfortunately Mar 01 17:21:09 anyone home? I've got a package manager question Mar 01 17:21:14 dtzWill: OK, good to know :-\ Mar 01 17:21:31 ~ask Mar 01 17:21:32 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Mar 01 17:23:26 I just updated to 1.4 this morning. Everything went apparently smooth, but now package manager, file mgr and systoolsmgr are not running and I am unable to use programs reliant on them. Suggestion? Mar 01 17:24:06 palm please put the 1.4 sdk into public.... Mar 01 17:24:35 raydivens go into preware and do update all Mar 01 17:25:25 oil ping timeout? wtf Mar 01 17:25:30 i hate it when my house loses internets Mar 01 17:25:31 I would if preware would start. I get the message telling me that package manager isn't running, but it is installed. Mar 01 17:25:55 raydivens: thats weird Mar 01 17:25:59 same with the other two services Mar 01 17:26:38 raydivens: had you updated to latest preware and ipkgservice before the 1.4 update? Mar 01 17:27:24 raydivens: which exact phone and carrier do you have? Mar 01 17:27:41 no I hadn't. I had a bug issue with missing launcher pages, so I doctored to 1.4 Mar 01 17:28:16 I'll uninstall everything once I get home and reinstall. Should fix it hopefully Mar 01 17:28:35 raydivens: do you have novacom working to the phone? or ssh ? Mar 01 17:28:48 if so, you could try the preware bootstrap script Mar 01 17:29:08 novacom yes, but I also lost terminal when I doctored. Mar 01 17:29:22 terminal is currently borken in 1.4 anyway Mar 01 17:29:30 but if you have novaterm you can run the preware script Mar 01 17:29:54 I'll just have to wosqi it when I get home in an hour Mar 01 17:31:19 I was thinking I might be able to backdoor the package mgr via filecoaster or preload, but they aren't working either Mar 01 17:31:42 I think your best bet is the bootstrap script Mar 01 17:32:05 terminal is not working Mar 01 17:32:07 well filecoaster can't install package manager Mar 01 17:32:14 and preload can't install services without package manager Mar 01 17:32:36 bootstrap script over novaterm or ssh Mar 01 17:32:37 yeah, terminal is broken in 1.4 Mar 01 17:32:41 terminus still works Mar 01 17:32:41 but preload can, so I was going to install preload wit filecoaster. Mar 01 17:32:57 but preload uses the package manager to install advanced homebrew Mar 01 17:33:01 without it, its basically the same as filecoaster Mar 01 17:33:15 which can't install advanced packages Mar 01 17:33:52 wosqi is the way then. If I run into any roadblocks, I'll give jason a call Mar 01 17:34:24 lol Mar 01 17:34:39 hear that destinal-sleep? terminal is broken Mar 01 17:43:02 WHAT? Mar 01 17:43:07 TERMINAL is broken? Mar 01 17:43:13 Dang. Mar 01 17:44:19 lol Mar 01 17:45:29 sounds like Heresy to me. Mar 01 17:46:15 hey everyone. Why cant I find the emergency recov patch?> Mar 01 17:47:07 morning ka6sox-work Mar 01 17:48:38 morning JackieRipper Mar 01 17:48:41 wwhoopes Mar 01 17:48:46 morning jacques Mar 01 17:48:48 :-| Mar 01 17:48:48 there. Mar 01 17:48:51 :-D Mar 01 17:49:03 Autocomplete...blah Mar 01 17:51:54 ka6sox-work: I've finally recovered from SCALE Mar 01 17:53:25 jacques, it'll take me another week or so. Mar 01 17:54:10 so where is the pics etc from the booth? Mar 01 17:54:18 update on luna crashes Mar 01 17:54:40 got a traceback from LunaSysMgr Mar 01 17:54:47 azakus: ever figure out that css mess Mar 01 17:54:48 it's a cache eviction problem on uninstall of an application Mar 01 17:54:51 oilsworkn: not yet Mar 01 17:54:56 :/ Mar 01 17:57:31 LOL Mar 01 17:57:32 #1 0x35fc6148 in WTF::ThreadCondition::timedWait () Mar 01 17:58:02 that is one of the threads of WebKitLuna when the crash happens Mar 01 17:59:36 webkit problem == badness Mar 01 18:04:51 * Mousey attempts to recover from 1.4 update Mar 01 18:05:14 ask me if i uninstalled my theme before pulling the trigger!! ^_^ Mar 01 18:06:12 im going to guess you didn't Mar 01 18:06:28 no, i'm a dumbass! Mar 01 18:06:38 * Mousey <--- unintelligent donkey Mar 01 18:07:17 mouse/donkey cross breed abomination? Mar 01 18:07:27 and a moron! Mar 01 18:07:39 jackmouse Mar 01 18:07:42 seriously, thats like themes 101 Mar 01 18:07:46 remove it before updating the os Mar 01 18:07:47 themes are bad, mmm`kay Mar 01 18:07:52 thats it rub it in Mar 01 18:07:57 they're like patches, just way worse Mar 01 18:09:34 ~themes Mar 01 18:09:43 infobot needs to learn about themes Mar 01 18:09:57 will the phone get mad if i change its hostname? Mar 01 18:10:00 ~asl Mar 01 18:10:02 Old enough, yes please, my place. Mar 01 18:10:12 hape: you still here? Mar 01 18:10:50 lmao @infobot Mar 01 18:11:05 i <3 infobot Mar 01 18:11:08 or hucksy__? Mar 01 18:11:24 yep Mar 01 18:11:37 can you do a more complicated one for me? Mar 01 18:11:41 actually two. :) Mar 01 18:11:44 sure Mar 01 18:11:51 You must restart Luna for this setting to take effect. Restart takes approximately 30 seconds. Restart Now? Mar 01 18:11:56 lol Mar 01 18:11:57 and Mar 01 18:11:58 Remember, you must restart Luna (or the phone) for this setting to take effect. Mar 01 18:12:00 ROFL Mar 01 18:12:10 a little more difficult. ;) Mar 01 18:12:33 "Your phone can't be reset because you dont have package manager service" Mar 01 18:12:35 what about that one? Mar 01 18:12:42 Nope Mar 01 18:12:48 They are SOL at that point. Mar 01 18:12:52 you know, i bet there is a way to restart luna on the private bus Mar 01 18:13:13 Du musst Luna neu starten, damit die Einstellung aktiv wird. Ein Neustart dauert in der Regel 30 Sekunden. Jetzt neu starten? Mar 01 18:13:34 man, don't ask me to pronounce that Mar 01 18:13:37 I am copy/pasting. Mar 01 18:14:23 Bitte beachte, dass du Luna (oder dein Handy) neu starten musst, damit die Einstellung aktiv wird. Mar 01 18:14:35 what about "Luna Restart Required"? Mar 01 18:15:31 "Ein Neustart von Luna ist erforderlich" Mar 01 18:15:40 thanks! Mar 01 18:15:48 danke! Mar 01 18:15:49 hucksy__ to the rescue Mar 01 18:15:53 German = done Mar 01 18:15:57 or... no: "Neustart von Luna erforderlich" Mar 01 18:15:59 w0 = 0t! Mar 01 18:16:02 for the last one Mar 01 18:16:03 is better Mar 01 18:16:05 np Mar 01 18:16:06 now for Spanish, French and Italian Mar 01 18:16:21 waiting on ##translate to get me Italian Mar 01 18:16:25 hehe Mar 01 18:16:30 su tamales es listo! Mar 01 18:16:40 su tamales es listes! actually Mar 01 18:16:49 Italian is just like Spanish, except you end every sentence with "eh?" Mar 01 18:16:55 lol Mar 01 18:17:15 su tamales es mas mejor con queso! Mar 01 18:17:24 Italian is the Canadian Spanish? Who knew? Mar 01 18:17:31 thats some bad spanish Mar 01 18:17:37 hahah, canadian spanish! Mar 01 18:17:46 lol Mar 01 18:18:05 I'll have to tell me Suegra that . Mar 01 18:18:31 so we have no french, spanish or italian speakers here? Mar 01 18:18:34 man we suck Mar 01 18:18:47 lol Mar 01 18:18:52 xalbo: when an Italian says "eh?" it sounds like the beginning of the word educate. When a Canadian says "eh?" it rhymes with "Way". Mar 01 18:18:55 * Mousey only speaks food spanish Mar 01 18:19:06 Un hamburgersa con queso! Mar 01 18:19:17 dBsooner: there must be a couple, rwhitby got preware translated to all them Mar 01 18:19:18 that's hamburgerso Mar 01 18:19:28 donde esta el bano? Mar 01 18:19:29 Mas cerveza, por favor. Mar 01 18:19:29 my hamburgers are girls, I guess Mar 01 18:19:30 oilsworkn: rwhitby knows everyone Mar 01 18:19:43 nt4cats: there's a certain logic there Mar 01 18:19:50 s/ham/cheese/ Mar 01 18:19:52 nt4cats meant: my cheeseburgers are girls, I guess Mar 01 18:19:56 Mousey, Hamburgers are Feminine in Spanish Mar 01 18:20:08 Hamberguesa Mar 01 18:20:12 unfortunately all the translation stuff was done while i took a little preware break Mar 01 18:20:19 and they did it the hard way xD Mar 01 18:20:50 oh.. hucksy__: "Later"? Mar 01 18:20:51 * Mousey woohoo's at the successful application of the boxee remote application. =) Mar 01 18:20:54 woohoo! Mar 01 18:21:30 dBsooner: mh, without any other hint... "spter" Mar 01 18:21:31 so now my center button is completely white Mar 01 18:21:38 oh Mar 01 18:21:44 i picked off the rest of the crap yesterday Mar 01 18:21:45 As in the opposite of "now" Mar 01 18:21:48 not Now, but later. Mar 01 18:21:52 I turned off the throbbing nubbin on my Pre Mar 01 18:21:57 yep, "spter" Mar 01 18:21:58 is right Mar 01 18:21:58 It was unsettling Mar 01 18:21:59 IN regards to doing something.. Mar 01 18:22:09 (especially when the phone was sitting on the table in a dark room) Mar 01 18:22:13 can I capitalize the s? Mar 01 18:22:29 dBsooner: "i'll do this later" in german... "Ich werde das spter machen" Mar 01 18:22:31 i never used the patch to turn on the throbbing Mar 01 18:22:47 * Mousey huggles his throbbing nubbins Mar 01 18:22:50 but since its included in 1.4, i've noticed it needed my attention twice Mar 01 18:22:52 oils: you get throbbing patch-free in 1.4 Mar 01 18:23:03 I have a trhobbing patch Mar 01 18:23:04 oh wait Mar 01 18:23:07 and both times it was something stupid Mar 01 18:23:17 can you turn off the mailthrobbing in 1.4? Mar 01 18:24:04 Mousey: yep. at the bottom of the "screen and lock" card Mar 01 18:24:08 i wonder what initiates the throbbing Mar 01 18:24:09 ah, k Mar 01 18:24:17 rubbin' the nubbin' Mar 01 18:24:29 oilsworkn: it seems to correlate to any time you have a notification Mar 01 18:24:58 so, every time a new dashboard scene is created? Mar 01 18:25:04 my top bar looks strange with no carrier string - when palm said they fixed it so it didn't show sprint when roaming, I expected it to be other than blank Mar 01 18:25:14 Isn't it Mojo.Controller.StageController.indicateNewContent? Mar 01 18:25:19 can sumone please help me install preware Mar 01 18:25:22 jacques: this x thing is so strange! Mar 01 18:25:43 jacques: I know you know that, but on the thought it was messing up the surface somehow (perhaps messing with the hidden data) Mar 01 18:26:02 jacques: I decoupled them, created a buffer for X to play with, and blit it to the screen..... Mar 01 18:26:08 dBsooner: which app, btw? ;) Mar 01 18:26:20 s/app/patch/ Mar 01 18:26:25 oh Mar 01 18:26:34 call log duration Mar 01 18:26:40 jacques: same result. hell i don't get an update if the only memory access to the primary video surface is me memsetting it Mar 01 18:26:44 ah, nice Mar 01 18:26:45 can sumone please help me install preware Mar 01 18:26:49 jacques: (but still shows when zoomed out) Mar 01 18:26:57 prefan89: have you read the wiki? Mar 01 18:27:19 prefan89: did you follow the instructions at preware.org ? Mar 01 18:27:41 prefan89 which of the three options on the wiki would you like to do? Mar 01 18:27:42 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware Mar 01 18:28:10 dtzWill: it _is_ very strange Mar 01 18:28:13 prefan89: the same information is available here, too -- http://preware.org/#/install/ Mar 01 18:28:14 yes......i installd everything but it says my computer dont have novacam something Mar 01 18:29:18 jacques: that and as you noticed every keycode gets zero'd? Mar 01 18:29:48 dtzWill: yes, but keysym is correct Mar 01 18:30:19 jacques: oh even if the scancode is zero? okay, didn't check that. rendering is first priority :) Mar 01 18:30:27 jacques: but good to know Mar 01 18:30:44 so mail isn't working again? Mar 01 18:30:47 dtzWill: yeah, keysym is correct, and mounse (touchscreen) coordinates look good too Mar 01 18:31:15 I think it we can get rendering working, we will be very close Mar 01 18:31:26 jacques: oh that's good news too. although the mouse doesn't MOVE but hey at least input is getting most of the way there Mar 01 18:32:14 something strange with alpha too - when I use 32bpp, even the card view looks wrong, _unless_ I go through and set all the A channel to opaque Mar 01 18:32:26 which is not my understanding of how it is documented to work Mar 01 18:32:56 supposedly alpha only matters for compositing - only matters for source surfaces, not dest Mar 01 18:33:08 but I have to set A channel to opaque on the dest surface Mar 01 18:33:34 jacques: don't they blit it to some internal surfrace anyway? that's how they do the automatic resolution scaling...? Mar 01 18:33:53 jacques: maybe they only do that if the surface they expose as the main video one is the wrong, i don't remember Mar 01 18:34:08 hi Mar 01 18:38:43 dtzWill: yeah I suspect our issues are related to the "internal" stuff which is done Mar 01 18:40:09 dtzWill: did you notice that the hidden pointer is only non-NULL when 32bpp surface is used? Mar 01 18:41:52 jacques: I haven't looked, I partly ruled out a corrupt hidden field when I noticed that I can make it so no pointer to the main video surface ever escapes to other code... yet we still have the rendering issue Mar 01 18:42:32 jacques: my previous thought was it's not switching rendering targets correctly--apparently when it's in card mode and when it's fullscreen they are different, and that gets done through some hook call that they make from SDL_PumpEvents Mar 01 18:42:40 jacques: which X never called. unfortunately that didn't fix it either :) Mar 01 18:43:16 jacques: errr i guess pumpevents is called when you poll, shrug. but regardless that seemed to fit the bill Mar 01 18:43:37 jacques: also i don't *know* hidden isn't getting botched _somehow_, but it's not directly through some sloppy memcpy off the end of the framebuffer or something Mar 01 18:44:46 dtzWill: I intend to compare the contents of the hidden and non-hidden buffers Mar 01 18:45:34 jacques: sounds like a plan, and a compelling possibility. let me know if you find anything (or find that you don't :)) Mar 01 18:46:14 there is also the whole blank / unblank thing - entry points palm added in their SDL patches, which unfortunately are hidden symbols Mar 01 18:46:49 it could be the fb is being blanked at the wrong time Mar 01 18:46:56 jacques: argh. yeah quite possibly Mar 01 18:47:15 jacques: there are a lot of state variables that could be getting messed up. but *why* would X be doing so? how?? haha Mar 01 18:47:38 jacques: and many of those are in the hidden struct, so maybe you're right Mar 01 18:47:59 dtzWill: that's the real question - why do some apps have rendering issues and others which seemingly access the SWSURFACE in the same way, do not Mar 01 18:49:23 once again (looking at you palm) it would help quite a bit if we had all the source to build SDL - we are missing things Mar 01 18:49:40 like the hidd headers Mar 01 18:49:51 very much agreed :/ Mar 01 18:55:27 hi everyone i downloaded everything so i could get pre ware but still it does not apear in download box Mar 01 18:58:29 download box? Mar 01 18:58:45 awww, meta-doctor doesn't work for me :( Mar 01 19:00:55 hrm. so I install 1.4, start terminal, and my pre reboots. Mar 01 19:00:56 i mean the webos box thing where you install it Mar 01 19:01:03 i think i should have read a CHANGES file that I missed. Mar 01 19:01:26 bougyman: terminal doesn't work in 1.4 Mar 01 19:01:35 oilsworkn: as I see. Mar 01 19:01:37 prefan89_: in webos quick install? Mar 01 19:01:39 i also can't ssh to it. Mar 01 19:01:43 is that also known? Mar 01 19:01:55 afaik that stuff is all ok Mar 01 19:01:55 and of course MyTether stopped working. Mar 01 19:02:08 though i dont ssh to my pre Mar 01 19:02:08 yes Mar 01 19:02:11 hrm. it's not accepting my ssh key, nor password auth. Mar 01 19:02:15 how do you get in to it? Mar 01 19:02:23 prefan89_: you clicked the third button, checked preware and package manager, clicked download? Mar 01 19:02:28 i can't terminal nor ssh, those are the only two methods I've used. Mar 01 19:02:34 maybe I have to put it in dev mode again? Mar 01 19:02:41 after the upgrade, that is. Mar 01 19:03:16 ok where is the package manager Mar 01 19:03:27 bougyman: upgrade did not affect my devmode Mar 01 19:03:41 i clicked the the blue arrow and preware does not pop up Mar 01 19:03:50 so how the hell do I get in now? Mar 01 19:03:55 it's like 1.4 completely locked me out. Mar 01 19:04:12 ssh is still listening but passwords aren't workin. Mar 01 19:04:13 prefan89_: in the menu at the top, choose the webos-internals feed Mar 01 19:04:41 is there a novaterm for lin? Mar 01 19:04:58 bougyman: no clue Mar 01 19:05:04 you could always try terminus Mar 01 19:05:58 found it Mar 01 19:07:21 maeh Mar 01 19:07:37 oh Mar 01 19:07:59 yes i clicked that and it still aint there Mar 01 19:08:41 so you select "WebOS Internals Feed (all)" in the dropdown at the top Mar 01 19:08:52 and the list below it doesn't show preware or the package manager service? Mar 01 19:10:06 huh, it removed the user I had on ther completely with the upgrade. Mar 01 19:10:24 and changed the root passwd Mar 01 19:10:26 very odd. Mar 01 19:10:32 oilsworkn: you use MyTether? Mar 01 19:10:36 that's another app 1.4 broke. Mar 01 19:10:40 * bougyman checks the forum. Mar 01 19:10:44 bougyman: update overwrote /etc/passwd Mar 01 19:10:47 bougyman: no i dont, i'm on sprint Mar 01 19:11:17 mytether works with 1.4 there was an update yesterday Mar 01 19:11:20 no it has other stuff except that Mar 01 19:11:35 en0x: thx Mar 01 19:11:39 better Mar 01 19:11:54 prefan89_: i really don't know what to tell you Mar 01 19:12:17 ok im goin to try to do it thanks anyways Mar 01 19:12:30 if you select "WebOS Internals Feed (all)" in the dropdown at the top, and the list below it doesn't have preware or the package manager service, then something is terribly wrong Mar 01 19:12:34 because thats exactly how you do it Mar 01 19:12:44 btw Mousey: gregs messaging plugins wont work with 1.4 Mar 01 19:12:48 at the moment Mar 01 19:15:22 hucksy|arghh: yah, i'm noticing. ^_^ Mar 01 19:15:35 and i fixed mail, tho i swear i found a bug Mar 01 19:15:42 * Mousey already posted in precentral Mar 01 19:15:47 aah Mar 01 19:15:48 k Mar 01 19:16:21 hope greg will fix this soon Mar 01 19:16:23 need 1.4 :p Mar 01 19:18:13 1.4 feels better then 1.3.5 to me Mar 01 19:18:41 I like the new "app starting" image thing. Mar 01 19:18:58 app splash screen, I love it too Mar 01 19:19:00 yeah, thats nice Mar 01 19:19:33 from the looks of the stage controller framework js it's possible to turn it off programmably Mar 01 19:19:49 oilsworkn: interesting report on webos forums. Some vendor names are getting css disabled Mar 01 19:19:52 maybe its just a placebo, but it feels smoother overall Mar 01 19:20:03 azakus: hm Mar 01 19:20:10 stopp it ;) Mar 01 19:20:11 damn Mar 01 19:20:53 hape: ping Mar 01 19:21:17 Rick_work & JayCanuck: i also like the command menu change Mar 01 19:21:27 from slide in/out to a quick fade Mar 01 19:21:28 same Mar 01 19:22:35 en0x: how long should I let it sit on unapplying the patch? Mar 01 19:22:39 it's been like 6 minutes. Mar 01 19:22:43 lol Mar 01 19:22:47 oh crap Mar 01 19:22:56 having "js" in the name might disable css? Mar 01 19:23:02 lolol Mar 01 19:23:11 disable all css? or just those loaded? Mar 01 19:23:15 hucksy|arghh: ping Mar 01 19:23:30 azakus: one thing i didn't try, was sticking a