**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 02 02:59:58 2010 Mar 02 03:00:29 root@palm-webos-device: start mediaserver Mar 02 03:00:49 start: (40245/64928954) Job not changed: mediaserver Mar 02 03:01:01 Hobbyboy, that's bad, generally means the problem isn't that Mar 02 03:01:10 Hobbyboy, but do a 'ps -e | grep -i mediaserver' Mar 02 03:01:57 its there Mar 02 03:01:58 21042 ? 00:00:15 mediaserver Mar 02 03:02:08 'adam corola' will stream, Mar 02 03:02:19 as will 'survivor' Mar 02 03:02:34 but radiotime, pandora having issues Mar 02 03:02:45 i'm on 0.51. Mar 02 03:02:46 doesn't really make sense Mar 02 03:02:53 the app also now says "HB" at the end of it. Mar 02 03:02:56 I would have to see your logs to figure out why it doesn't work Mar 02 03:03:07 hola Mar 02 03:03:10 my wife's pre is on 1.4, and it has .48 drPodder, and it works. Mar 02 03:03:34 Hobbyboy, i can't vouch for dr podder, but Pandora should _always_ work. Mar 02 03:03:42 Im sure you guys have had this question asked a thousand times in the past 2 days... but uh... everyone having problems updating feeds? Mar 02 03:03:46 i uninstalled/reinstalled, and cold booting. Mar 02 03:03:53 wicked_: are you running 0.9.28 ? Mar 02 03:04:10 Hobbyboy, that's quite bizarre, I can't tell you any more without shell access Mar 02 03:04:33 hi all Mar 02 03:04:48 @whitby let me check Mar 02 03:04:59 so I need some assistance Mar 02 03:05:14 I know the webos has mtools Mar 02 03:05:15 nope, using 0.9.18... when did .28 come out? Mar 02 03:05:16 YOU need assistance? Mar 02 03:05:33 and I know mattrib can let me set the windows hidden attribute Mar 02 03:05:48 but I don't know how to do that Mar 02 03:06:09 everytime I try, it says it can initialize drive D:/ Mar 02 03:06:09 @rwhitby im going to update to 0.9.28 now... that will fix the problems? Mar 02 03:06:24 *can't initialize drive A:/ Mar 02 03:06:54 JayCanuck, no offense mate... but what the hell are you talking about? :3 Mar 02 03:07:11 lol Mar 02 03:07:15 I think Jason has gone mad. Mar 02 03:07:22 /usr/bin/mtools Mar 02 03:07:32 JayCanuck: you trying to set attrs on /media/internal or something? Mar 02 03:07:39 yea Mar 02 03:07:47 the hidden attribute Mar 02 03:08:08 linux is easy with just having a period prefix Mar 02 03:08:48 but I gotta get the internal drive files hidden attribute settable Mar 02 03:09:19 I know in dos on windows the attrib command can toggle the hidden attribute Mar 02 03:09:31 and mattrib seems the same Mar 02 03:09:34 JayCanuck, that's actually interesting, i never even considered setting hidden folders in windows Mar 02 03:09:47 http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/RZ/software/mtools/mtools_6.html#SEC45 Mar 02 03:10:07 only problem is the drive doesn't initialize Mar 02 03:10:14 zsoc: We all know you have one folder hidden ;) Mar 02 03:10:24 makes me wonder if I need to mount it or something Mar 02 03:10:39 a call to "mcd" returns "A:/" Mar 02 03:11:03 Eguy, in windows? i can guarantee you i have no hidden windows folders, or any windows folders for that matter :P Mar 02 03:11:03 so I assume that means the drive is set as A:/ or am I going down the wrong path? Mar 02 03:11:04 it's probably a default setting Mar 02 03:11:06 you mentioned logs, Mar 02 03:11:13 where do I look? Mar 02 03:11:18 ~logs Mar 02 03:11:19 All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily Mar 02 03:11:26 Eguy, and i don't need hidden linux folders, they unencrypt on mount :P Mar 02 03:11:26 i just tried stoping the starting mediaserver, Mar 02 03:11:28 nogo Mar 02 03:12:01 Hobbyboy, well, you wouldn't _look_ for them so much as _make_ them Mar 02 03:12:02 lines starting with spaces are not logged? Mar 02 03:12:04 now adam carolla will not run. the 'streaming media' app that starts, says 'Cannont play file' Mar 02 03:12:07 maybe ill just do that all the time xD Mar 02 03:12:12 ok Mar 02 03:12:51 anyone know much about mtools? Mar 02 03:13:04 zsoc: A certain folder that contains videos? Mar 02 03:13:05 Hobbyboy, basically, you shut down the mediaserver service, and stop mediaserver, then manually start mediaserver with -l --gst-debug=3 2>&1 > mediaserver.log Mar 02 03:13:19 or something like that, honestly i'm not so sure the i/o redirection there is accurate, someone can pipe up Mar 02 03:13:32 THIS IS NOT LOGGED Mar 02 03:13:45 there's mpartition and mmount Mar 02 03:13:56 either of those ringing a bell for anyone? Mar 02 03:14:12 oil: You didn't know that? Mar 02 03:14:22 scratch that, neither are on webos Mar 02 03:15:51 JayCanuck, re: mattrib Mar 02 03:16:00 edit /home/root/.mtoolsrc Mar 02 03:16:03 is there an updated terminal app? Mar 02 03:16:07 JayCanuck: any chance WOSQI can require post-inst execution for ipkgservice, and also rm -f /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/lists/* before installing? Mar 02 03:16:09 put one line in it Mar 02 03:16:22 drive A: file="/dev/mapper/store-media" Mar 02 03:16:24 save it Mar 02 03:16:32 then mattrib A:/FILE Mar 02 03:16:51 Hobbyboy, no, but terminus should work Mar 02 03:16:58 rwhitby, require postinst execution? Mar 02 03:17:06 thanks. Mar 02 03:17:19 egaudet: WOSQI 3 has an option whether to run the postinst or not. Mar 02 03:17:25 any suggestions on ssh apps? I've seen both of them on preware Mar 02 03:17:27 o.o Mar 02 03:17:30 it does? Mar 02 03:17:32 err why? Mar 02 03:17:59 JayCanuck: or does it always run the postinst, and the option is just whether you get asked each time? Mar 02 03:18:05 yea Mar 02 03:18:12 the option is about prompting Mar 02 03:18:18 ah, ok. ignore my request then :-) Mar 02 03:18:21 ;) Mar 02 03:18:29 well, ignore the first part. we still need the rm -f Mar 02 03:18:59 shouldn't we put rm -f in postinst? Mar 02 03:19:09 egaudet, by the way, there is no .mtoolsrc Mar 02 03:19:11 egaudet: it's already there Mar 02 03:19:19 JayCanuck, right you create it Mar 02 03:19:22 k Mar 02 03:19:34 egaudet: but for some reason, people with huge erroneous files in lists are unable to use wosqi to reinstall ipkgservice. Mar 02 03:19:38 rwhitby, I'm not following then. If postinst runs it removed it, if it doesn't the package should fail to install Mar 02 03:19:52 oh that's weird Mar 02 03:19:54 egaudet: they say that when wosqi connects, the Pre runs out of memory. Mar 02 03:20:22 wosqi running some ipkg command ? Mar 02 03:20:33 I presume wosqi is somewhere running ipkg list or something and that is filling memory if there is an erroneously large list file Mar 02 03:20:48 i see Mar 02 03:20:57 (I haven't had time to look) Mar 02 03:22:29 wosqi doesn't use ipkg lists Mar 02 03:22:38 it reads thepackages itself Mar 02 03:24:36 JayCanuck: hmm - have you seen the reports from people who say that they are not running Preware, and just connecting WOSQI to reinstall Preware is causing an out of cards error? I haven't confirmed it, so it could be a bogus report. Mar 02 03:24:54 I haven't Mar 02 03:25:02 though I haven't been looking Mar 02 03:25:07 will webos repair utility work with 1.4? Mar 02 03:25:13 and haven't received any releated emails Mar 02 03:25:17 does it need an update? Mar 02 03:25:25 hobbyboy, not currently, v2.0 coming soon Mar 02 03:25:35 great thanks. Mar 02 03:25:41 JayCanuck: ok, so I should just tell people with huge lists files to use WOSQI to reinstall ipkgservice, and the ipkgservice postinst will remove the bogus files Mar 02 03:25:49 JayCanuck, I think probably use /etc/mtools.conf rather than the rc file I suggested Mar 02 03:25:51 thanks to all of you out there doing all of this! Mar 02 03:25:55 k Mar 02 03:26:07 I read precentral daily! first time on this chat Mar 02 03:26:53 In other news, I need to remove the Preware stand-alone installer again, since it has the updating bug Mar 02 03:26:57 /home/root isn't ro and /etc is but yeah Mar 02 03:27:10 I'm wondering if I'll have to do a doctor to get media streaming to work Mar 02 03:27:13 hmm Mar 02 03:27:16 egaudet Mar 02 03:27:45 "Syntax error at line 1 for drive A: column 6 in file /etc/mtools.conf: expected : Mar 02 03:27:47 " Mar 02 03:28:11 k, fixin error Mar 02 03:28:14 tryin drive A: file=devmapperstore-media Mar 02 03:28:29 Is JayCanuck Jason R? Mar 02 03:28:38 should be exactly as I put above Mar 02 03:28:39 yea Mar 02 03:28:49 Dude! Thanks so much for all you do! Mar 02 03:28:57 I'm going to "Donate" soon :) Mar 02 03:29:06 Much appreciated. Mar 02 03:29:08 Has there been any standardization of themes? Mar 02 03:29:12 or are they still pretty much a crapshoot? Mar 02 03:29:26 JayCanuck, stop being a celebrity :3 Mar 02 03:29:36 We have 4 people at work with Pre's we're like Jason's the Man! Mar 02 03:29:38 ahhahaa Mar 02 03:29:42 we're such geeks Mar 02 03:29:50 but seriously thanks Mar 02 03:30:04 FuMan, they are _slightly_ better than patches... and honestly we shouldn't support either, but here we are. Mar 02 03:30:18 FuMan, er, slightly worse Mar 02 03:30:20 lol Mar 02 03:30:21 :p Mar 02 03:30:22 FuMan, the discussion has been kicked off but that's it Mar 02 03:30:25 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Theme_Management_API Mar 02 03:30:46 word Mar 02 03:30:56 i like those flat black ones people keep pushing Mar 02 03:31:01 i think it would add to the sexy quite well. Mar 02 03:31:30 in an isolated world Mar 02 03:31:33 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Talk:Theme_Management_API Mar 02 03:31:41 would it be a safer deal to install a crap ton of patches, and then 1 theme Mar 02 03:31:48 and pull that theme anytime you were gonna do serious fiddling? Mar 02 03:32:04 FuMan, nothing that touches the filesystem is good. that's what breaks things. patches and themes touch the filesystem Mar 02 03:33:03 egaudet, mdir works well Mar 02 03:33:06 hrm Mar 02 03:33:18 that sounds like a "you're already doing stuff just as bad, now go for it" to me. Mar 02 03:33:44 FuMan, in your case, yes, but the solution is quite the opposite.. it's been postulated, just too much going on, too few volunteers, and not enough time Mar 02 03:34:50 well Mar 02 03:35:01 i guess ill just settle for the other 40 piles of awesome i have to play with :) Mar 02 03:35:15 have there been any rumors about when the PDK would go public, like... gdc? Mar 02 03:35:57 and im sure someone else has already asked about that series of dots that keeps popping up in preware? Mar 02 03:36:42 FuMan: that's a subliminal message to donate to webos-internals ... Mar 02 03:36:55 it goes away if you donate $500 or more Mar 02 03:37:02 rwhitby, I already have :) and I'm sure I will again in the future Mar 02 03:37:10 how much did that new server set you guys back? Mar 02 03:37:26 $3.5K all up Mar 02 03:37:41 and it's not installed yet Mar 02 03:37:47 oh Mar 02 03:37:54 then what was the remix during the 1.4 flood? Mar 02 03:38:01 FuMan, i honestly hope the pdk doesn't ever come out Mar 02 03:38:10 smarter use of existing server capacity Mar 02 03:38:17 it will seriously blur the line between #webos and #webos-internals Mar 02 03:38:28 heh Mar 02 03:38:39 itll blur the hell out of #iphoneappdev and #webosdev as well O_o Mar 02 03:38:42 rwhitby, are the servers gonna survive the inevitable 1.4.1 bugfix update? lol Mar 02 03:39:06 lol Mar 02 03:39:14 JayCanuck: I expect we'll just symlink the feed for 1.4.1, so yes. Mar 02 03:39:24 Anyone having the invisible lock screen bug? Mar 02 03:39:48 I had that MANY times during beta 3 Mar 02 03:39:49 it was awesome while it lasted Mar 02 03:40:09 JayCanuck, i was surprised to see it during release Mar 02 03:40:16 same Mar 02 03:40:31 it's cool 50% of the time and _really annoying_ the other 50% Mar 02 03:41:05 the servers are still pushing 15MBits/sec each continuously right now Mar 02 03:41:06 I thought it was a new change until I reset my phone Mar 02 03:41:25 rwhitby, face it, you're a rockstar Mar 02 03:41:47 zsoc: no, JayCanuck is the rock star, I'm just the packaging and infrastructure monkey Mar 02 03:41:59 rofl Mar 02 03:42:01 rwhitby, oh, you do infrastructure too now? You got a promotion :) Mar 02 03:42:07 :p Mar 02 03:42:21 zsoc: but I was please to see Preware beat WebOS Quick Install by a 10 to 1 ration in the server logs ;-) Mar 02 03:42:28 lol Mar 02 03:42:49 not that we're in competition or anything ... ;-) Mar 02 03:42:52 it's no new fact that preware is the more-used app Mar 02 03:43:00 heh Mar 02 03:43:08 but 100% of the time i sideload IPKs Mar 02 03:43:14 its quick install Mar 02 03:43:17 wosqi had it's day, I'm just keeping it a viable alternative Mar 02 03:43:19 * rwhitby waits for the "but WebOS Quick Install is the more *useful* app" followup from JayCanuck Mar 02 03:43:23 JayCanuck, but in all fairness, wosqi is very usefull :) Mar 02 03:43:27 * zsoc ducks Mar 02 03:43:30 lol Mar 02 03:43:35 not to mention without quick install, preware would never get on many pres Mar 02 03:43:51 oh yeah, that too Mar 02 03:44:02 the preware installer never got updated, did it? Mar 02 03:44:04 and fileCoaster would still be center stage :p Mar 02 03:44:07 I wonder how many people still use fileCoaster Mar 02 03:44:17 JayCanuck, although your command line thing is garbage, you need to somehow subscribe to stdout/err so you can actually use _interactive_ utilities :op Mar 02 03:44:18 * oil cringes at the thought Mar 02 03:44:28 JayCanuck: I reckon I could make fileCoaster install Preware on webOS 1.4 ... Mar 02 03:44:40 lol Mar 02 03:44:43 I used the preware installer first couple times then quick install after that for preware Mar 02 03:44:47 well lets be honest Mar 02 03:44:49 filecoaster is broken with 1.4 Mar 02 03:44:55 JayCanuck: orly? Mar 02 03:44:56 filecoaster is what made me join webosinternals to work on preware xD Mar 02 03:44:58 yep Mar 02 03:45:05 because it was so horrid Mar 02 03:45:07 JayCanuck: noVerify API change? Mar 02 03:45:17 no idea, everyone just says it's broken Mar 02 03:45:28 oil: you could have used PreLoad instead ... Mar 02 03:45:41 that blue color? Mar 02 03:45:44 seriously? Mar 02 03:45:48 I need help, the 1.4 update deleted my user account i setup last year when you had to do everything manually. I am now trying to make it so I can use PuTTY and WinSCP again but i'm getting confused on what to do. I was using Dropbear but it looks like I now have to use OpenSSH, so how do I remove Dropbear? Mar 02 03:46:07 HebrewzHammer: ipkg-opt remove dropbear Mar 02 03:46:29 rwhitby: sweet, thanx Mar 02 03:46:37 rwhitby, oh by the way, it seems 1.4 deleted everyones /etc/passwd, or wherever the heck those things are kept Mar 02 03:47:41 zsoc: yep, but only those people who were using the old unsupported method, not those using the new Preware ssh keys method, who got through 1.4 with their ssh connectivity unchanged. Mar 02 03:47:52 well, guess i didn't remove things before upgrading to 1.4 yesterday and its messed things up...i've tried updating feeds, updating through webos but it is still kinda wacked Mar 02 03:47:55 of course, doesn't involve users :p Mar 02 03:47:57 like me!! Mar 02 03:48:51 i'm gonna miss being able to just ssh into my phone with a usrname and psswd, no i'm gonna have to keep that key with me all the time Mar 02 03:49:09 now* Mar 02 03:49:25 HebrewzHammer: you can still edit /etc/event.d/mobi.optware.openssh and use a strong root password Mar 02 03:49:49 HebrewzHammer: if you're happy for it to break on every webOS update Mar 02 03:50:00 something like 0kf4*mam9%als Mar 02 03:50:05 rwhitby: awesome! thanx soooo much Mar 02 03:50:11 should i start all over from the beginning with a fresh install? Mar 02 04:12:43 so since i'm using the new method with OpenSSH can I uninstall Sudo? Mar 02 04:13:25 rwhitby: Looks like your duties are not over with SSH ;) Mar 02 04:13:58 Eguy: no, I said someone else has to step up and handle that transition. Mar 02 04:14:11 HebrewzHammer: yes, you can. Mar 02 04:14:34 thank u Mar 02 04:15:10 Who has just installed the hide app vendors patch? Mar 02 04:15:45 is there any know way to add a *binary* patch to quilt? Mar 02 04:16:40 If I want to manually change the phone dialer background, where is it located on the filesystem? What about other graphic elements? Is this already listed on the wiki? Mar 02 04:17:01 smoofra, what kind of binary patch? Mar 02 04:17:37 zsoc: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Ip_forward Mar 02 04:17:42 Well the Hide App Vendor menu doesn't show in my App Catalog Mar 02 04:18:02 smoofra: PuffTheMagic_ has a way to do that with inotify which does not require patches Mar 02 04:18:11 zsoc: basically a patch that changes four bytes of PmNetConigManager Mar 02 04:18:46 smoofra: mount -o bind /dev/null over ip_forward Mar 02 04:18:51 then mount proc in a new directory Mar 02 04:18:55 and set it to 1 from that new dir Mar 02 04:18:58 ;) Mar 02 04:19:14 PuffTheMagic_: oh nice Mar 02 04:19:17 no patch, no inotify Mar 02 04:19:19 that is better than a patch Mar 02 04:19:25 and and a lot better than inotify Mar 02 04:19:33 not better than inotify Mar 02 04:19:40 smoofra: use the freetetherd Mar 02 04:19:44 its clean Mar 02 04:19:47 it does all this for you Mar 02 04:20:22 PuffTheMagic_, freetetherd is amazingly smexy, and i have no idea why you haven't released it Mar 02 04:20:30 what's a freetetherd? Mar 02 04:20:30 CardShark: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Phone_Edit_Dialer_Theme Mar 02 04:20:33 JayCanuck: Someone should tell the Bell Canada folks about Meta-Doctor's REMOVE_CARRIER_CHECK feature, which can probably be used with the Sprint Doctor. Mar 02 04:20:38 Thanks Eguy Mar 02 04:20:46 lol Mar 02 04:20:50 smoofra: i started on a free relacement for mytether and lost steam Mar 02 04:21:10 ah Mar 02 04:21:11 CardShark: A lot is outdated but the file locations are there. Mar 02 04:21:14 JayCanuck: you could increase your parochial rock star rating 1000% with a how-to for that ... Mar 02 04:21:14 smoofra: but the C service part does the ip_forward trick i just told u Mar 02 04:21:26 Thank you. Mar 02 04:22:25 zsoc: i dont have time to support all the apps that I want to work on, the best i can do it make it opensource Mar 02 04:22:27 maybe a dumb question. If I set a file to hidden on usbmode via windows, will it stay hidden when the usbmode is connected to a mac or linux computer? Mar 02 04:22:33 Who is the developer of the Hide App Vendors patch? Mar 02 04:22:41 JayCanuck: doubt it Mar 02 04:22:51 JayCanuck: why you trying to hide files? Mar 02 04:23:00 I'm workin on Internalz Mar 02 04:23:13 when u gonna do that properly in C ;) Mar 02 04:23:20 lol Mar 02 04:23:20 JayCanuck: *Yesssssssssssssss* Mar 02 04:23:38 just trying to figure out how best to handle file hidden setting Mar 02 04:24:05 JayCanuck: well i wouldnt worry what windows stuff looks like on linux or mac Mar 02 04:24:23 should I set hidden in /media/internal/ via linux rules with a period prefix or via msdos rules with hidden attribute Mar 02 04:24:44 I'd say both, but I know that'd cause issues Mar 02 04:24:53 for example autorun.inf Mar 02 04:24:54 i would say dont mess with that on linux Mar 02 04:25:29 i mean... Mar 02 04:26:03 do what is correct for the fs that you are working on Mar 02 04:26:31 well, palm does both Mar 02 04:26:38 in /media/internal Mar 02 04:26:54 JayCanuck: hows it goin? Mar 02 04:26:57 should I give 2 hidden options? Mar 02 04:27:05 you can mattrib all day but linux won't hide it Mar 02 04:27:06 JayCanuck: no Mar 02 04:27:16 cryptofs copy/move support in internalz :D Mar 02 04:27:21 hidden in usb mode option and hidden in linux kind of thing? Mar 02 04:27:24 I had a weird bug with your sys tools service the other day, but I think it was just a one off weird bug, a phone restart fixed it and I can't replicate it Mar 02 04:27:38 lol Mar 02 04:27:43 only thing "hidden" in linux is prefix by dot Mar 02 04:27:44 JayCanuck: there is no hidden in linux Mar 02 04:27:54 you know what I mean Mar 02 04:27:57 egaudet: thats not even hidden Mar 02 04:28:18 "not shown by default in most tools" Mar 02 04:28:20 its more like... Mar 02 04:28:23 excluded by defauly Mar 02 04:28:29 yea Mar 02 04:28:57 but still USB mode to a linux PC will show any file in nautilus for example except .prefixes Mar 02 04:29:01 JayCanuck: since internals is running on linux treat it as linux Mar 02 04:29:24 PuffTheMagic_, I don't think he's trying to hide stuff from internalz Mar 02 04:29:27 in usb mode /media/internal/ is on msdos Mar 02 04:29:29 he's trying to allow internalz to hide it from PC Mar 02 04:30:01 what i mean is Mar 02 04:30:07 there are 2 aspects of internalz Mar 02 04:30:13 the gui and the part that talks to the OS Mar 02 04:30:20 the gui part stays true to linux Mar 02 04:30:24 if someone tags a file in /media/internal/ as "hidden" Mar 02 04:30:27 the OS part does what is right for the os Mar 02 04:30:51 there is no OS Mar 02 04:30:52 JayCanuck: then just assume that is a windows thing Mar 02 04:30:57 j Mar 02 04:31:00 *k Mar 02 04:31:08 maybe say (windows only) Mar 02 04:31:12 there is no OS, only zuul! Mar 02 04:31:24 but I agree with PuffTheMagic_, I don't see non-windows users caring about that Mar 02 04:31:25 JayCanuck: linux people will know to use a period Mar 02 04:31:51 JayCanuck: but having a "exlude period prefix by default" would still be good Mar 02 04:32:03 linux people are used to seeing all file on fat32 partitions Mar 02 04:32:18 what is "exclude period prefix by default" Mar 02 04:32:33 so, anyone that uses uTorrent, I found a nice webUI made for the iPhone that works excellent on the pre. Mar 02 04:32:34 egaudet: the normal linux behavior that we just talked about Mar 02 04:32:34 I think you should keep the period so (nooby) people will know to be cautious if they are going to mess with that file/folder. Mar 02 04:32:41 if anyone wants to know where to get it jsut ask Mar 02 04:32:45 how most file managers exclude listing .files Mar 02 04:32:49 PuffTheMagic_, oh now you are back to internalz UI Mar 02 04:32:49 by defualty Mar 02 04:32:54 sorry Mar 02 04:33:16 Can someone test the new Preware Installer versions at http://get.preware.org ? Mar 02 04:33:16 gollyzila: period is going no where Mar 02 04:34:34 Well there has to be some sort of graphical notice that that certain file/folder is hidden, or else some people might blindly delete it. Mar 02 04:35:34 just fade it a little Mar 02 04:35:37 and leave the . Mar 02 04:35:52 cryptk|work: I agree Mar 02 04:35:53 the . for linux users, faded for winblows users Mar 02 04:36:04 best of both worlds Mar 02 04:40:39 just sumbitted a 2 weeks notice Mar 02 04:41:01 quitting my other job because of a raise at my primary job! Mar 02 04:41:20 Congrats! Mar 02 04:42:36 Anyone want to test a Launcher Reset To First Page patch for 1.4? Mar 02 04:43:20 I can only test things on preware since I am at work Mar 02 04:43:43 I have been waiting for that one to get ported ove... Mar 02 04:43:48 s/ove/over/ Mar 02 04:43:48 cryptk|work meant: I have been waiting for that one to get ported over... Mar 02 04:44:36 so... just how much regex does infobot understand? Mar 02 04:44:41 I just blindly copied the code from the wiki. The context around it changed but it still seems to work. Mar 02 04:44:55 ahh Mar 02 04:45:35 I was thinking about porting that one myself... I did a few others since I was tired of waiting on the original author of the patches to port them Mar 02 04:45:44 I mean, they had 24 hours... gosh... Mar 02 04:47:55 I don't think I should submit this without at least one other person testing it. Mar 02 04:49:16 lordbah, preferably 3 Mar 02 04:50:35 3 would be cool. Can't seem to find 1 tonight. Maybe tomorrow. Or maybe the original patch author will update it in the meantime. Mar 02 04:51:50 Pewterschmidt Mar 02 04:53:47 lordbah, there's probably some way to submit the patch and have it pushed to patch testing feed Mar 02 04:54:16 hm, something keeps crashing luna since 1.4 Mar 02 04:54:25 i suspect it's the preware browser Mar 02 04:55:27 cxreg: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/9798991409 Mar 02 04:55:38 lordbah, submit em Mar 02 04:55:42 ah Mar 02 04:55:45 cxreg: check /var/log/messages ? Mar 02 04:55:52 rwhitby: could definitely be that Mar 02 04:55:58 bpadalino: ill do that next time Mar 02 04:56:15 * rwhitby wonders why people don't follow @webosinternals, or at least use http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline/64349812.rss ... Mar 02 04:56:16 the portal acceptance is automated and will verify they apply to stock 1.4.0 files and then regenerate the patch Mar 02 04:56:17 oh, looks like it's /var/log/lunasysmgr.log for luna specific crashes Mar 02 04:56:56 heh, segv Mar 02 04:57:29 so even if Preware is the trigger (and we already know that other apps trigger it too), it's not the cause. Mar 02 04:57:40 to clarify when I say acceptance is automated I mean the process is automated after an admin reviews and clicks "accept" Mar 02 04:58:02 rwhitby: I follow @webos-internals :) Mar 02 04:58:09 no stack trace = :( Mar 02 04:59:20 rwhitby, is there some utility i can use to follow @webosinternals and have it text/gtalk me updates? Mar 02 04:59:43 zsoc: probably. twitter seems to be a popular thing ... ;) Mar 02 05:00:03 oh yeah, i definitely have that same error in my log Mar 02 05:05:50 * oil just gets all the good stories when rwhitby links them in irc Mar 02 05:06:01 twitter? bah humbug Mar 02 05:06:14 egaudet: I see that the patch author posted today, I'll let him do the update. Unless we still haven't seen an update in a week ... Mar 02 05:15:28 JayCanuck: If you are there do you know how to remove the glowing icon screen. I can't seem to find which function that gets called to hide it. Mar 02 05:16:08 I saw a reference in stagecontroller Mar 02 05:16:10 I think Mar 02 05:16:13 lemme check Mar 02 05:17:27 hideSplashScreen Mar 02 05:17:44 What's the full function path? Mar 02 05:17:52 wait Mar 02 05:17:53 frameworkHideSplashScreen Mar 02 05:18:08 it's private, so won't work if your making app catalog Mar 02 05:18:09 app Mar 02 05:18:33 hrm, how do you get a program that speaks only OSS to talk to pulse? Mar 02 05:18:41 padsp? Mar 02 05:19:02 I believe this.controller.frameworkHideSplashScreen() in stage-assistant.js should work Mar 02 05:19:02 cxreg, pulse is oss... Mar 02 05:19:13 zsoc: i mean, it's trying to open /dev/dsp Mar 02 05:19:26 JayCanuck: i don't have mojo loaded that is the thing. Mar 02 05:19:48 how do you mean? Mar 02 05:20:37 All my applications were written with a different framework up till now. Mar 02 05:20:45 i'm not sure pulse is actually natively compatible with OSS. are you sure about that? Mar 02 05:20:51 s/frame/fail/g Mar 02 05:20:52 xD Mar 02 05:20:55 Most importantly the WoW armory application no longer works lol. Mar 02 05:21:10 What's Atomic Parsley? Mar 02 05:21:36 parsley thats been irradiated? Mar 02 05:22:30 I was thinking a superhero herb Mar 02 05:23:08 gollyzila, adds metadata to mpeg4's Mar 02 05:23:22 well if conics have taught us anything, its that freak radioactive accident = awesome super hero Mar 02 05:23:28 Just found it on google. Thanks zsoc Mar 02 05:23:32 my postulation is it's used to correctly form the edited/cut videos in the videoeditor Mar 02 05:23:34 s/conics/comics Mar 02 05:23:57 oil: ending / you forgot Mar 02 05:24:00 i know Mar 02 05:24:21 Templarian, sec Mar 02 05:25:20 Templarian Mar 02 05:25:27 I backtracked the functions Mar 02 05:25:41 window.Mojo._mojoCalledStageReady = true; Mar 02 05:25:43 window.PalmSystem.stageReady(); Mar 02 05:26:01 those 2 lines will set the splash screen off/disabled Mar 02 05:26:24 Yep Mar 02 05:26:28 JayCanuck, nice work Mar 02 05:26:29 Just had it about to test it Mar 02 05:26:39 sure ya did Mar 02 05:26:41 xD Mar 02 05:26:46 Mojo one is probably unnecessary Mar 02 05:26:50 since you don't have mojo Mar 02 05:27:02 gotta get your mojo workin Mar 02 05:27:13 seems odd that padsp and libpulsedsp are not in ipkg Mar 02 05:27:16 oil: lol I did I'm not that bad at this, but you guys are a tad more use to looking at it and disecting :) Mar 02 05:27:16 he has none by choice Mar 02 05:27:20 not because fat bastard stole it Mar 02 05:27:24 but yeah stageReady() will probably just tell luna the card is ready (i.e. stop splashing) Mar 02 05:27:45 lol oil Mar 02 05:27:46 So, tweed stores your twitter password unencrypted in the database Mar 02 05:27:49 Templarian, i know, i was just jerkin your chain Mar 02 05:27:49 JayCanuck: that worked btw. Mar 02 05:27:53 sweet Mar 02 05:28:00 I love how developers are able to customize the splash screen Mar 02 05:28:04 Not 100% still a few things to do. Mar 02 05:28:07 via appinfo Mar 02 05:28:08 rwhitby, so what Mar 02 05:28:32 pidgin stores it in text :P Mar 02 05:28:58 * rwhitby considers writing a "I know all your passwords" service and app ... Mar 02 05:29:13 yeah, like im going to install THAT Mar 02 05:29:15 does tweed have an option to "don't remember" password? Mar 02 05:29:22 * gollyzila considers deleting tweed Mar 02 05:29:38 are "splashicon" and "splashBackground" in the 'official' docs yet? for custom splash icons and background? Mar 02 05:29:43 in the .json that is Mar 02 05:29:55 not official, nope Mar 02 05:30:05 i mean it's a standard issue, if you save your password locally, trying to protect/encrypt it doesn't really do much Mar 02 05:30:13 I tier my passwords, twitter would get the uber easy to guess, single word password, so you can have that password if you want! Mar 02 05:30:24 psykoz: yeah, me too. Mar 02 05:30:48 yes any "rememby my password" passwords are in that tier psykoz :) Mar 02 05:30:56 "keywords" in .json also seems to trigger the universal search Mar 02 05:31:25 zsoc; that was added in 1.3.something im pretty sure Mar 02 05:31:30 there's twitter grade, then important-ish, then bank-grade, then you'll have to waterboard me for this password grade Mar 02 05:31:44 oil, prolly lol Mar 02 05:35:03 holy shit... unencrypted?!? Mar 02 05:35:11 good thing i don't use twitter!! :D Mar 02 05:36:40 rwhitby: Does feeds do the same thing? Mar 02 05:37:10 Or what ever their app is called. Mar 02 05:38:19 Eguy: dunno Mar 02 05:46:44 Eguy: twee? Mar 02 05:48:44 Yeah, that's it. Mar 02 05:49:06 (I think) The RSS reader app. Mar 02 05:49:34 http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/PlainTextPasswords Mar 02 05:53:23 egaudet: yeah, webOS needs built-in keyring support Mar 02 06:04:00 Anyone notice in the browser sometimes a pinch-to-zoom ends up tapping a link. Shouldn't that NOT be happening? Mar 02 06:05:25 whoa Mar 02 06:05:31 i just got flite (festival lite) working Mar 02 06:05:39 text to speech on the pre Mar 02 06:05:51 cxreg, cool, when is it packaged? Mar 02 06:05:55 cxreg: Awesome Mar 02 06:06:04 good question Mar 02 06:06:08 i know nothing about packaging Mar 02 06:06:31 cxreg, bug rwhitby till he makes you a git repo, push your stuff, ask him to help you package it, which he'll likely delegate to me :p Mar 02 06:06:35 ok Mar 02 06:06:37 heh Mar 02 06:07:14 we should package that as a service, then we can write a patch to read out emails Mar 02 06:07:24 totally Mar 02 06:07:30 it's 25 megs Mar 02 06:07:33 which is kinda bug Mar 02 06:07:35 er, kinda big Mar 02 06:08:05 hm, 16 megs after strip Mar 02 06:08:51 meh - people install NFS ... Mar 02 06:09:31 i credit mousey with the idea Mar 02 06:09:32 i work with him Mar 02 06:09:39 NFS is not very good Mar 02 06:11:17 hmm why does running the LunaSysMgr crash... Mar 02 06:12:44 because it's closed source? Mar 02 06:12:57 is this a common problem with 1.4? Mar 02 06:14:04 zsoc: so i built it using the WIDK, though i needed to borrow some ALSA headers from my laptop because apparently they weren't installed Mar 02 06:14:26 cxreg, odd, please report bugs like that... sometimes _bad_ packages are left in packages/ that should not be there :p Mar 02 06:14:33 and then it wouldn't link so i actually just copied libasound.so to a place it could find it. i think i need to figure out how to better install stuff in the widk. Mar 02 06:14:35 ~NFS Mar 02 06:14:36 Try using -o nolock,soft (soft will help stop the error cascades, especially over wireless) Mar 02 06:14:38 it's tough for us to tell in our environments because we have everything built already Mar 02 06:14:55 cxreg, use the Makefile to install things :) Mar 02 06:14:59 OK (at least for emulator) you need to set HOME=/var/home/root now Mar 02 06:15:00 hm Mar 02 06:15:12 cxreg, and it probably wouldn't link because of your lack of -rpath Mar 02 06:15:21 cxreg, if you push your packages i can check them out Mar 02 06:15:23 zsoc: anyway, for packaging this, is binary enough? or are people going to want it buildable? Mar 02 06:15:43 anything we publish needs to be buildable from public sources Mar 02 06:15:47 ok Mar 02 06:15:49 16 megs is not bad Mar 02 06:16:23 source was from here: http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/flite/packed/flite-1.4/ Mar 02 06:16:23 cxreg, rod is totally lying to you, a binary is fine, you just need to have the source of that binary somewhere, so it _can_ be built, if you disappear :) Mar 02 06:16:50 and don't be offended if we also build it and compare sums... ahem Mar 02 06:16:52 hang on, ill put the binary in my dropbox Mar 02 06:17:03 cxreg: what did you have to change to get it to build (if anything)? Mar 02 06:17:23 jacques: i needed the alsa headers, and then i had trouble linking against it Mar 02 06:17:27 thought it could have been my fault Mar 02 06:17:40 cxreg, yeah, i think xcomp claimed to have them working (alsa-sound) Mar 02 06:17:43 but never pushed his fixes Mar 02 06:17:45 xcomp, ping? Mar 02 06:17:45 zsoc: we need to be able to build the binary from public sources. we may then copy that binary elsewhere for packaging. Mar 02 06:17:53 rwhitby, i see now what you mean Mar 02 06:18:43 ok, binary build is here for you to play with: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4365538/flite Mar 02 06:18:58 shouldn't need anything but that. echo hi there | ./flite Mar 02 06:19:21 I just wanted to thank you guys for all that you put in to the webos Thanks A Million Guys!! Mar 02 06:19:22 Eguy: ah, the feed reader is called feeds. twee is deliciousmorsel's twitter app Mar 02 06:19:48 feeds is delicious morsel's app Mar 02 06:19:55 yeah Mar 02 06:19:58 Tweed is taking a looooong time to load ever since 1.4 came out. Mar 02 06:20:21 Pivotal labs has a rss app also Mar 02 06:20:24 Osirus: hi Mar 02 06:20:30 Hi Mar 02 06:20:45 Osirus: I see you changed your .sig on PreCentral :-) Mar 02 06:20:51 Lol Mar 02 06:21:08 Yeah had too guys was hounding me Mar 02 06:22:05 I posted some new pics of the modeling job we did in tokyo Mar 02 06:22:35 I am trying to get the modeling gig for palm Mar 02 06:22:43 Just saw the @webos-internals tweet. Spacebar also works for video recording Mar 02 06:22:57 Osirus: yeah, now they've gotten rid of the creepy lady Mar 02 06:22:59 gollyzila: for starting and stopping videos? Mar 02 06:23:07 I'm right in thinking palms package function will correctly ignore .svn folders? Mar 02 06:23:10 gollyzila, the spacebar functionality is not new, _holding it_ for burst mode is new Mar 02 06:23:12 Still waiting on this quarter to finish out Mar 02 06:23:33 No I am that creepy lady lol Mar 02 06:23:37 Templarian: no, cause we often see Palm's .svn folders (e.g. in the 2G update app) Mar 02 06:23:56 zsoc: really? I used to do it all the time before 1.4 though Mar 02 06:24:26 rwhitby: thanks for the heads up I'll just do it anyway for the time being and hope it gets fixed later on Mar 02 06:24:32 gkatsev: yes for both Mar 02 06:24:38 gollyzila, yes, but it actually activate a burst mode in the driver, you should get 1+ picture per second now Mar 02 06:24:58 zsoc: I only got 21 pictures in 25 seconds Mar 02 06:25:03 Ohhhh Mar 02 06:25:04 rwhitby, i said should Mar 02 06:25:30 rwhitby, actually you _should_ get more, the support is there BUT it has to turn the preview back on inbetween each photo (javascript bu.. err.. limitation), so it throttles it Mar 02 06:25:43 rwhitby, from command line, i bet i can get 3fps Mar 02 06:25:48 rwhitby: (1) in the meta-doctor, you should definitely mention that remove carrier check removes the carrier-specific apps.... and (2) you might just put ## HERE ARE THE FEATURES... ## HERE IS THE PLACE TO BEGIN UNCOMMENTING FEATURES... ## HERE IS THE PLACE TO END COMMENTING OF FEATURES. Mar 02 06:25:56 the way you've got it now seems rather repetitive Mar 02 06:26:00 What is the deal with palm and limitation with webos? Mar 02 06:26:30 palm has always had a memory limitation... Mar 02 06:26:34 remember the fooleo :P Mar 02 06:26:36 Since that's a feature, Photos needs a way to delete multiple photos quickly Mar 02 06:26:57 Tick boxes would be helpful Mar 02 06:27:32 Eguy: exactly Mar 02 06:27:41 "cd /media/internal/DCIM && rm -rf *" Mar 02 06:27:48 lol Mar 02 06:27:57 lol Mar 02 06:27:57 grndslm: "(excluding any provider-specific functionality)" is already written there Mar 02 06:28:01 gkatsev: rm -rf /media/ ? Mar 02 06:28:11 well, you wanted a quick way to delete pictures Mar 02 06:28:15 rwhitby: but the way it's written in parantheses is not quite that explicit Mar 02 06:28:25 Eguy: but yes, thats even quicker, lol Mar 02 06:28:43 removing media is a terrible idea Mar 02 06:28:48 it's mounted anyway, it won't let you prolly Mar 02 06:29:00 zsoc: better than a full wipe ... Mar 02 06:29:06 i suppose :p Mar 02 06:29:20 I'm going to create a russian roulette app Mar 02 06:29:23 zsoc: sudo rm -rf /media/* :P Mar 02 06:29:28 rwhitby: but a place to say "## END COMMENTING, Don't change anything further" could be pretty nice for some folks Mar 02 06:29:33 i wonder what will happen if i do an rm rf / Mar 02 06:29:41 gkatsev, go for it Mar 02 06:29:42 you will get palm.com/rom Mar 02 06:29:42 grndslm: yep Mar 02 06:29:51 zsoc: er... maybe in the emulator... Mar 02 06:29:58 Video record it! Mar 02 06:30:08 gkatsev: The no more cards error goes away ;) Mar 02 06:30:15 Imagine the creepy palm lady popped up Mar 02 06:30:18 Eguy: as will most other things, lol Mar 02 06:30:45 "Im melting!" Mar 02 06:30:54 What if I could delete the os? This is my life on my Palm Pre. Mar 02 06:31:04 lol Mar 02 06:31:45 Pre commercial should just be the terminal app Mar 02 06:32:02 Terminal app crashing luna? Mar 02 06:32:03 and then luna crashing Mar 02 06:32:04 Eguy: ascii video? Mar 02 06:32:09 * Templarian got the WoW Armory application almost working again, could of got scary there, those guys cannot go long without checking something. Mar 02 06:32:09 That'll sell Mar 02 06:32:11 Exactly. Mar 02 06:32:27 It can't be worse than the VZW commercials LOL Mar 02 06:32:34 rwhitby: also... why do you need to separate the functionality of "bypass activation" and "touch ran first use"?? also seems redudnant Mar 02 06:33:05 rwhitby: ... as well does "enable first use wifi" and "make first use visible"... those should prolly be together too, no? Mar 02 06:33:12 For Palm Profile creation right? Mar 02 06:33:14 Take the sticky notes from the mom and she'll crash too Mar 02 06:33:43 grndslm: check it now Mar 02 06:34:22 grndslm: I personally (on my GSM phone) do not bypass activation, but want to touch ran first use so that I can turn wifi on first, and then activate normally. Mar 02 06:34:35 rwhitby: very nice! :) Mar 02 06:34:42 (that saves huge data charges when it downloads all your backup data) Mar 02 06:34:54 Oh, did you guys get the email about the game conference Palm will be at this month? Mar 02 06:35:01 gollyzila: yep Mar 02 06:35:22 rwhitby: just seems like the first four features are all almost automatic, but they could at least be merged into two features... Mar 02 06:35:40 i just don't understand how it would hinder someone to roll all functions into one Mar 02 06:35:42 Do you think they'll announce the release the beta of Flashpass ? Since you'll then be able to play flash games Mar 02 06:36:25 s/Flashpass/flash Mar 02 06:36:25 heh... i just noticed the "unless you are a makefile expert"... Mar 02 06:36:30 that's classy Mar 02 06:36:33 This is really weird guys. You know how the WoW Armory application doesn't use Mojo... it launches instantly. Anyone care to explain why (1.3.x it took 2.5 seconds usually). Mar 02 06:36:38 grndslm: ENABLE_FIRSTUSE_WIFI is probably superfluous, but the others are not Mar 02 06:37:10 rwhitby: yea, at minimum... so you're saying that if you bypass activation, first use doesn't do that for you? Mar 02 06:37:32 grndslm: if you bypass activation, certain fields in the databases are not set correctly. Mar 02 06:37:44 if you can activate normally, you should Mar 02 06:37:58 so, nobody'd really have a reason to not activate normally, eh? Mar 02 06:38:01 if you just want to turn on wifi before activating, then use touch ran first use and make first use visible Mar 02 06:38:13 I cannot activate a sprint phone normally Mar 02 06:38:25 right right Mar 02 06:38:45 but I do activate one of my GSM phones normally, but not the other. Mar 02 06:38:46 rwhitby: also, what is enable usb networking accomplishing? Mar 02 06:38:49 same thing as freetether? Mar 02 06:38:53 grndslm: no Mar 02 06:39:32 grndslm: same thing as "usbnet enable" --turns on the pseudo "ethernet" over USB support (referred to as USBNet) Mar 02 06:39:43 similar to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Mar 02 06:39:59 rwhitby: so, how does one write a service? Mar 02 06:40:04 cool... i'll check that out Mar 02 06:40:37 cxreg: look at the examples on git.webos-internals.org Mar 02 06:40:42 oke Mar 02 06:40:53 you have a choice of C or Java services Mar 02 06:41:03 newer ones are C Mar 02 06:41:20 works for me Mar 02 06:42:36 cd .. Mar 02 06:42:40 oops :) Mar 02 06:42:45 cxreg: let me know when you can use a repo Mar 02 06:42:47 rwhitby: ok... so enable usb networking is like "reverse tethering" then? Mar 02 06:43:00 grndslm: nothing to do with tethering Mar 02 06:43:09 then what's the purpose? Mar 02 06:43:15 grndslm, to enable usbnet Mar 02 06:43:18 IP networking over USB Mar 02 06:43:20 which does? Mar 02 06:43:25 right... for the pre Mar 02 06:43:34 grndslm, usbnet is a legimately awesome protocol, i use it for sshing personally Mar 02 06:43:35 from the computer to the pre Mar 02 06:43:45 ?? Mar 02 06:44:03 i had no clue that usbnet was a protocol Mar 02 06:44:17 * cxreg looks at saverestore service Mar 02 06:44:31 ms calls it "rndis" or something Mar 02 06:44:34 grndslm: right, between a USB host and the pre USBNet it will basically work like a point to point ethernet link Mar 02 06:44:54 right, that's "reverse tethering" Mar 02 06:44:59 or so it was called back in the day Mar 02 06:45:11 with bluetooth... before there was wifi Mar 02 06:45:13 grndslm, most linux distros have it preinstalled.... ubuntu just ifconfig's a usb0 Mar 02 06:45:31 interesting Mar 02 06:46:29 grndslm: I think reverse tethering usually has the connotation that the device will use the PC's upstream network connections to get somewhere, but I suppose maybe I'm extrapolating too much Mar 02 06:46:47 you could do so here , or just ssh from the PC to the pre, or whatever. Mar 02 06:47:00 destinal: that's what I thought too Mar 02 06:47:07 still think Mar 02 06:47:20 i guess usbnet is just a protocol, as you guys were saying... Mar 02 06:47:30 that i have yet to come across before, or at least come to realize Mar 02 06:48:02 ~usbnet Mar 02 06:48:03 methinks usbnet is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking or and usbnet in 2.4.18 (desktop) is broken, you want to use > 2.4.19-pre2 or see windows usbnet for windows support or a patched version is at http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/usbnet/, or at http://zorian.kicks-ass.org/files/usbnet-2.4.21-rc7.tar.gz, or http://handhelds.org/~mallum/usbnet-2.4.20.patch, or dhcp over usbnet, ... Mar 02 06:48:09 grndslm: I did write a reverse tethering wiki article on that a while ago (that does use usbnet to accomplish it) http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Reverse_Tethering Mar 02 06:48:21 lol I remember that - from like 2001 Mar 02 06:49:13 I used to have to download huge webos updates from work, but had no wifi and EVDO was too slow, thus, reverse tether over usbnet to my PC and use it's wired internet connection Mar 02 06:51:12 :) hardcore!! Mar 02 06:51:54 I've even tethered to a pre to use its *wifi* interface before on a laptop with usb but no wireless card. ah, good times. Mar 02 06:52:42 so isn't there some cache folder where all the ipks are stored??? Mar 02 06:52:48 speaking of which, I wonder when / if the wifi driver will support monitor mode Mar 02 06:52:48 or was i imagining that i'd seen that? Mar 02 06:53:14 destinal: your pc doesn't have a wifi card? Mar 02 06:53:30 I don't know if that would be smart of them to do, then people could just share the ipk of paid apps, and it would take up extra space on the phone Mar 02 06:53:54 Jolting: correct - my PC at work does not Mar 02 06:54:00 joshua: true Mar 02 06:54:22 i could've sworn i at least saw homebrew ipks stored in what i thought was /var/cache/somethin Mar 02 06:55:06 grndslm: that may have changed over time in different versions. ipk's are on the device while being downloaded and before final installation usually but that's it Mar 02 06:55:41 yea, it was a long time ago... things *are* always changing in webOS... but i coulda been high, too -- it happens Mar 02 06:56:11 I want to see if the wifi driver supports packet injection Mar 02 06:57:10 Jolting, nope Mar 02 06:57:21 zsoc: what about monitor mode? Mar 02 06:57:58 jacques, i was unable to successfully get monitor mode, but someone like morphis is probably the better one to ask :) i'm no wifi card driver guru Mar 02 06:58:14 ok thanks :-) Mar 02 06:58:22 airmon/dump would be nice Mar 02 06:59:25 yeah Mar 02 06:59:25 indeed..i was hoping for an aircrack app to show off to friends who don't believe me when I tell them their wifi is insecure Mar 02 07:00:30 pulling out my notebook isn't as impressive than doing it with my phone Mar 02 07:01:48 Jolting: well, if we can get usb host mode figured out than we can always run an external USB device that does have good injection drivers.. Mar 02 07:02:30 is the hardware set up for thar? Mar 02 07:02:39 t Mar 02 07:03:11 Jolting: there's a USB on the go chipset which should support host mode Mar 02 07:03:58 I've gotten it to power a USB hub or flash drive off the pre, but not enumerate them yet unfortunately Mar 02 07:05:35 wondering if there needs to be a hardware change...i'll take a look at the chipset Mar 02 07:22:34 i wonder how long it'd take a pre with those apps to actually crack a network with WEP Mar 02 07:24:52 evening all Mar 02 07:25:29 grndslm, a few minutes max Mar 02 07:26:03 no way Mar 02 07:26:34 not just a typical router around the house... there'd have to be like 10 active machines connected to it for it to only take a few min Mar 02 07:26:47 right? Mar 02 07:27:12 grndslm, ... i don't want to get into network security, but no, i can crack most wep networks with _no clients_ in a few minutes Mar 02 07:27:34 wep is literally useless Mar 02 07:27:37 indeed :0 Mar 02 07:27:37 hmm... interesting Mar 02 07:27:44 yea... i honestly just use a hidden ssid Mar 02 07:27:44 wep is a way of the past Mar 02 07:27:54 no crackers in mississippi... Mar 02 07:27:54 and hidden ssids are easy to spot Mar 02 07:28:01 grndslm, hidden ssid is a bit of a joke, you send a packet with the ssid name when you connect Mar 02 07:28:04 kismet anyone Mar 02 07:28:09 grndslm, and i can just deauth you to get that packet :p Mar 02 07:28:19 farms: right... easy for kismet Mar 02 07:28:31 not easy for typical mississippian with windows xp Mar 02 07:28:43 lol, boot up backtrack and youll have everything you could possibly want Mar 02 07:28:48 hidden ssids and mac filtering is actually likely to make a cracker more likely to want to crack your network ;) Mar 02 07:28:49 true that Mar 02 07:28:59 zsoc: i don't believe that Mar 02 07:29:08 people say that hidden ssids are more vulnerable, but that's not not possible Mar 02 07:29:18 lol ignorance is bliss Mar 02 07:29:38 fact is that there'd be a greater chance of you getting hacked if your network is visible Mar 02 07:29:45 So anyway... is cygwin required to get libusb-win32 working? since it's based on libusb apis? Mar 02 07:29:46 statistics are statistics... Mar 02 07:30:07 not sure zsoc Mar 02 07:30:26 bah PuffTheMagic_ needs to not tell me to do something and then go run off somewhere else lol Mar 02 07:30:28 any word on flash plugin for me palm Mar 02 07:31:19 sometime in 2010 Mar 02 07:31:37 that would be nice :p Mar 02 07:31:38 grndslm: there is no such thing as a hidden ssid on a network with traffic Mar 02 07:31:44 and a mac is not secret either Mar 02 07:31:44 swfdec would probably play flash movies oss, if someone wants to hack Mar 02 07:32:00 you are vulnerable to both injection and impersonation Mar 02 07:32:11 swfdec with gst working Mar 02 07:32:17 tmzt, you're a genius, would cygwin be a prereq to getting libusb-win32 to work? Mar 02 07:32:30 never go it to work Mar 02 07:32:32 tmzt, gst works now? Mar 02 07:32:41 better to use the windows native method Mar 02 07:32:45 not that I know of Mar 02 07:32:47 what is 'windows native method' Mar 02 07:32:53 tmzt: only way i could possibly see hidden ssids as being MORE vulnerable is in that it might make a hacker more likely to see the network... IFFFFF the network had traffic while the passerby was "wardriving" (isn't that what they call it?) Mar 02 07:33:00 involves guids for the usb device Mar 02 07:33:01 tmzt, what do you mean? You use gst everytime you hear a sound on your phone or play a video Mar 02 07:33:21 well, gst with X Mar 02 07:33:32 swfdec is still X based I though Mar 02 07:33:49 tmzt, swfdec is just a decoder i believe, you could use fbsink or sdlvideosink Mar 02 07:33:49 the point is swfdec isn't a video player Mar 02 07:33:57 it needs an implementation Mar 02 07:34:23 plugin -> gstreamer pipeline using swfdec -> sinking to fbsink/sdlvideosink Mar 02 07:34:24 is it possible to use the microphone with PDK yet?? ... or WDK, and whatever other development kits there are now?? Mar 02 07:34:28 grndslm: it's a minor distintion Mar 02 07:34:38 you said hidden is less vulnerable Mar 02 07:34:48 I say it'Sessentially moot Mar 02 07:34:55 assume your vulnerable Mar 02 07:34:58 "essentially" is not the same as > or < Mar 02 07:35:00 grndslm, it is possible for someone to write a gst service to access the microphone, just no one has done it Mar 02 07:35:01 and use a stronger method Mar 02 07:35:12 not mac filtering (only) either for the reason I gave Mar 02 07:35:44 one packet at an inopportune time is all it takes Mar 02 07:35:50 hi Mar 02 07:35:55 * zsoc grabs your ARP Mar 02 07:35:56 and there are active attacks against broken ap's Mar 02 07:36:02 broken client stacks Mar 02 07:36:10 tmzt: yea, i'm not worried about it... i'll prolly implement wpa2 within the next year or two, tho Mar 02 07:36:12 and other methods of obtaining ssid Mar 02 07:36:31 let's say I send null ssid Mar 02 07:36:43 and your stupid ap respons with an error with it's ssid set Mar 02 07:36:51 that's an active method Mar 02 07:37:08 but why would you be within 100 ft of my house?? :D Mar 02 07:37:11 anyone got a idea why i cant update to 1.4, the update app only tells me that there are application updates available, though here are none Mar 02 07:37:22 broken client stack is something like windows XP learning an ssid and going into adhoc when no bss session Mar 02 07:37:25 tmzt: guess i'll just have to get that wifi-security paint!! Mar 02 07:37:37 just use wpa2/tkip Mar 02 07:37:43 :P someday Mar 02 07:37:50 100 feet or directional Mar 02 07:38:03 radius Mar 02 07:38:22 radius would be good too Mar 02 07:38:30 but that's a lot more work than psk Mar 02 07:38:33 :) Mar 02 07:38:34 that let's like 6 houses cover me if they're lucky... more like 3 or 4 are practical... Mar 02 07:38:39 so somebody's really have to be wardriving Mar 02 07:38:39 and no, directional antenna Mar 02 07:39:08 heh... i was saying 100 ft radius Mar 02 07:39:09 i wonder if using the wrong headers was bad news Mar 02 07:39:24 i'm having a lot of skipping and things that seem like buffer over/underruns Mar 02 07:40:46 later Mar 02 07:43:34 rwhitby: you should move that " ... unless you are a makefile expert" line two more variables down ;-) Mar 02 07:54:16 2nd try ;) Mar 02 07:54:32 anyone got a idea why i cant update to 1.4, all the update app tells me is that there are application updates available but there are none Mar 02 08:03:32 the package I want to install appears to be gone from the Preware feeds but I already have it on another device. Mar 02 08:03:36 how do I move an application from one webOS device to another? Mar 02 08:04:26 christefano: what app is it you are trying to move? Mar 02 08:04:54 cryptk|work: gDial Pro Mar 02 08:05:14 because of google API changes Mar 02 08:05:48 cryptk|work: yup, it's been discontinued. much of the functionality still works, though Mar 02 08:06:52 argh... my webchat screwed up again Mar 02 08:07:09 christefano (12:04): cryptk|work: yup, it's been discontinued. much of the functionality still works, though Mar 02 08:07:32 how good are you with linux? Mar 02 08:08:15 brb, smoke break time Mar 02 08:08:19 I'm comfortable with the command line Mar 02 08:08:33 how good I am is another story :) Mar 02 08:08:39 that's best said by othes Mar 02 08:08:41 others Mar 02 08:08:42 i wonder Mar 02 08:08:54 should i get a pre... just for shits and giggles? Mar 02 08:11:52 What's a pre? Mar 02 08:12:27 * raster stares at Eguy weirdly Mar 02 08:12:30 serious? Mar 02 08:13:05 Nah. Mar 02 08:13:12 phew Mar 02 08:13:28 they arent cheap Mar 02 08:13:33 still $500ish Mar 02 08:13:39 or $600+ Mar 02 08:13:44 depending how lucky u get Mar 02 08:25:33 christefano: I would prefer not to give instructions on how to copy Gdial onto another phone because the same technique could possibly be used for nefarious reasons... Mar 02 08:53:48 cryptk|work: I'm not sure I get your reasoning, but no problem Mar 02 08:54:21 christefano: it could be used to copy other apps... not everything is free Mar 02 08:54:50 you may be able to find someone to help, but I would prefer not to do it myself... not questioning your intentions at all mind you, but there are alot of people that read this chat Mar 02 09:01:01 cryptk|work: ah, I get your meaning of nefarious. thanks for explaning Mar 02 09:16:58 pretty good boost in javascript speed... 19000 in sunspider... Was 32000 in webos 1.2 Mar 02 10:23:59 anyone know how to call a jar file on the phone? Mar 02 10:24:16 ie. I want to be able to do java -jar foo.jar Mar 02 10:24:30 javahy seems to not take -jar as a switch Mar 02 11:09:42 Heya, testing pound :) Mar 02 11:39:42 Interesting...after a Luna restart my battery meter just came up as an empty battery with a question mark in it. Mar 02 11:59:02 I have seen that before but only for a second, then it showed as normal Mar 02 12:35:50 which X server Palm pre uses? Mar 02 12:42:17 Don't think it uses X at all Mar 02 12:43:05 go Mar 02 14:31:51 I can't seem to get any of the patches to install on 1.4 any ideas? Mar 02 14:32:48 the few I use worked well for me, it looks like you got wirc installed Mar 02 14:33:02 doesn't the daemon for it use the same installation mechanism? Mar 02 14:34:08 I always had wirc. I keep getting an invalid address when trying to download them. Mar 02 14:34:25 ah Mar 02 14:36:02 I get wget returned an error http 404 not found. Mar 02 14:36:43 maybe the patch server is down temporarily? Mar 02 14:37:38 been down for awhile? Mar 02 14:38:08 not that i know of, maybe some otehrs will show up and have some better suggestions Mar 02 14:38:47 can you try to install a patch and let me know which one and I will try Mar 02 14:39:39 sure Mar 02 14:44:24 i'm installing "Call Duration in Call Log" it appears it was updated anyway Mar 02 14:45:12 hello Mar 02 14:45:15 no errors Mar 02 14:45:16 hi Mar 02 14:45:34 i am having trouble putting preware on my pre Mar 02 14:45:47 i cant figure out exactly what i am supposed to do Mar 02 14:45:53 i am a computer idiot lol Mar 02 14:46:17 i hear that's going around Mar 02 14:46:42 is there a way someone can explain it to me in lamens terms? Mar 02 14:46:44 i'd suggest using WebOS Quick Install from the Pre forums Mar 02 14:46:55 it makes it quite simple Mar 02 14:47:03 do you have a link? Mar 02 14:47:10 sec Mar 02 14:47:15 councilofwar: www.webos-internals.org/wiki/application:preware Mar 02 14:47:34 Here ya go: http://is.gd/9wWmO Mar 02 14:50:48 councilofwar: the link I posted has step by step instructions including installing preware through webos qi. that's the best link to get started. Mar 02 14:52:30 i think my winrar is what is messing me up Mar 02 14:55:18 where are you having problems? check out my link and scroll down. that's the closest thing to "official" instructions Mar 02 14:57:43 Is there a way to download a patch file from the portal/ dbsooner can you send me the latest version of the gestureclick patch so I can update it for 1.4? Mar 02 14:58:20 I know I was having some trouble with the formatting of the .patch file, but if I see the one that you fixed, I can find the right lines to change in the new files. Mar 02 15:08:20 How are you Gentleman Mar 02 15:08:25 All of your base are belong to us. Mar 02 15:08:38 โ™ซ move zig move zig move zig โ™ซ Mar 02 15:09:16 [; Mar 02 15:10:01 Morning jrmuizel Mar 02 15:10:06 and en0x :D Mar 02 15:14:53 Morning everyone Mar 02 15:16:39 morning Mar 02 16:02:37 m Mar 02 16:02:59 * sportman_ waves Mar 02 16:09:21 is the preware feeds down? Mar 02 16:12:35 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/ works for me Mar 02 16:12:38 no Mar 02 16:18:50 preware just says downlaoding feeds non stop Mar 02 16:19:07 maybe it hung try to download feeds again Mar 02 16:20:43 I just disabled all feeds except webos and patches and it works now Mar 02 16:21:05 I guess if a feed is down it breaks the loading loop Mar 02 16:21:24 for sure but it should time out after some time and download another one Mar 02 16:22:49 are custom spinners newman314 ? Mar 02 16:22:58 ha, tab complete fail Mar 02 16:23:08 -man314 :p Mar 02 16:23:33 it seems there are apis for custom 'spinners' as well as transforms for fading them out Mar 02 16:25:42 anyone know who is maintaining the optware bootstrap? not able to do an ipkg-opt update in os1.4 Mar 02 16:33:07 every time I try to reboot my phone now, it hangs on the swirling icon in the middle of the screen. have to pull the battery and let it restart a second time. any good way to track this down? Mar 02 16:34:45 cal__: Dunno, but if you find it please send me a private message, because I've been having the same issue. Mar 02 16:36:07 xorg: that's outdated, use preware Mar 02 16:36:17 i did.. Mar 02 16:36:25 i installed optware with preware Mar 02 16:36:36 but can't do ipkg-opt update or other functions Mar 02 16:37:13 Mercury: haha, okay Mar 02 16:38:07 i've installed a fresh webos1.4 and optware via preware doesn't work... ipkg-opt update list list_installed all say... "Terminated successfully" Mar 02 16:38:26 optware via preware doesn't work? Mar 02 16:38:34 right Mar 02 16:38:46 at least not for me after a fresh os1.4 install Mar 02 16:38:57 the optware setup works, and i see /opt/bin/ipkg-opt Mar 02 16:39:23 the command is there, but the ipkg repository might not be right? ipkg-opt update is a no go. Mar 02 16:39:49 I haven't kept up to date with the optware status, but I assume you are installing things with ipkg-opt that aren't in preware? Mar 02 16:40:12 yes, I'm working on samba Mar 02 16:40:30 and other packages.... worked fine in 1.3.5 Mar 02 16:42:13 have you tried re-installing optware ? Mar 02 16:42:29 i'll try that Mar 02 16:43:18 i installed the bootstrap and advance command line via Preware... will uninstall both then resinstall. Mar 02 16:46:19 hi all Mar 02 16:46:35 i'm new to webos and i have some questions on it Mar 02 16:47:50 is it possible to use generic socket programming on palm webos Mar 02 16:48:05 ok, optware removed... /opt mount is gone.... now reinstalling Mar 02 16:49:46 installed optware bootstrap, advanced linux command line... Mar 02 16:50:11 ok, ipkg-opt update now working.. strange. must've been a bad first install Mar 02 16:50:13 is there anyone to answer my question? Mar 02 16:50:34 mateen_maldar: no socket in mojo, but you could use the PDK Mar 02 16:51:43 pdk is not public and not yet release metaview? Mar 02 16:53:15 you are on the webos-internals channel, you should know about the webos-internals inofficial PDK Mar 02 16:53:28 ok Mar 02 16:56:24 WIDK Mar 02 17:02:25 thanks i have request for pdk early access thanks metaview Mar 02 17:02:39 the early access is over since some weeks Mar 02 17:03:03 I got the denial some weeks ago Mar 02 17:03:12 it will be public in march Mar 02 17:03:21 oops then wht's the way forward metaview? Mar 02 17:03:50 i cannot see in the tools the pdk, only sdk download is avaliable Mar 02 17:03:50 use the WIDK Mar 02 17:04:04 wht is widk? Mar 02 17:04:07 www.webos-internals.org Mar 02 17:04:09 when is the game dev conf? Mar 02 17:04:10 i doono anything abt it Mar 02 17:04:38 well, then read :) You need Ubuntu 9.10 (for instance in a VBox image) Mar 02 17:04:59 read the part http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK Mar 02 17:05:11 I just ported Duke Nukem 3D with it Mar 02 17:05:58 :) Mar 02 17:09:32 is duke nuken forever your next planned port? :) Mar 02 17:10:40 worms Mar 02 17:10:41 ;D Mar 02 17:11:30 just checking Mar 02 17:11:30 * psykoz grins Mar 02 17:11:43 I tried to install the duke3d port but it keeps erroring on postinst ;( Mar 02 17:12:15 it's funky too, its package info in preware comes up looking like the webos-internals quake icon + quake screenshots Mar 02 17:13:03 mikewx: yes, but before I need hurt as an OS Mar 02 17:13:26 psykoz: yes, but I had changed it yesterday Mar 02 17:13:48 There's a new version on the test feed ? Mar 02 17:13:51 psykoz: there is no postinstall, do you have a duke icon? Mar 02 17:14:07 Lemme update my test feed, last I tried it was yesterday about 10pm CST Mar 02 17:14:08 well, honestly I'm not sure Mar 02 17:15:39 Oh do you just have an ipkg some where for download? Mar 02 17:16:04 I can send you by email Mar 02 17:16:09 sure Mar 02 17:16:37 privmsg'd you my email Mar 02 17:17:14 on its way Mar 02 17:18:20 BTW: I might forgot something during commit again... Well, need to check it later Mar 02 17:22:54 cool installed just fine via quickinstall, running it now Mar 02 17:26:55 * Mousey 's friend demo's flite running on the pre Mar 02 17:27:03 * Mousey is obligatorily blown away Mar 02 17:27:04 well it installed fine but when clicking on its duke3d icon it never starts, just registers like the icon was clicked on and then nothing happens Mar 02 17:28:18 hm Mar 02 17:28:38 Did it create the Duke3D folder? Mar 02 17:28:51 I guess you don#t have the neccessary files? Mar 02 17:29:07 duke3D would be cool with the quake controls Mar 02 17:29:17 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=games/duke3d.git;a=blob;f=README Mar 02 17:29:30 * Mousey clicks Mar 02 17:29:39 It mimics the quake controls (well, jump on touch doesn't work) Mar 02 17:29:49 but you have the keys defined Mar 02 17:30:05 ^_^ Mar 02 17:30:07 fun! Mar 02 17:30:13 people are doing such fun things with my phone! Mar 02 17:30:26 i came in today, and a guy here had flite working Mar 02 17:30:51 flite? Mar 02 17:30:55 festival lite Mar 02 17:31:03 text-to-speech! Mar 02 17:31:34 * Mousey can't wait to have his sext messages read to him by a mechanical sounding artificial voice.. aww yeaa baby Mar 02 17:32:49 azakus: do you recommend changing JSTop app I'd or just waiting for an update through preware? Mar 02 17:43:23 TextFileds only trigger modelchanged if the text was really touched? Mar 02 17:44:45 metaview, okay yeah I was just missing those files in Duke3D folder Mar 02 17:46:04 ok :) Mar 02 17:46:16 don't know if the demo fiels work too, but should Mar 02 17:48:48 Yeah I just grabbed the demo files for now since my real files are at home Mar 02 17:48:59 they're working ;> Mar 02 17:49:19 did you intend the onscreen joystiq to be persistent? Like if you set it to start moving you forward you keep moving forward even after letting go Mar 02 17:52:15 rwhitby: amazing work with meta-doc Mar 02 17:52:56 metaview, thanks for sending that to me ;> I likes Mar 02 18:06:04 hello? Mar 02 18:12:14 hi Mar 02 18:18:37 The touchscreen on my Pre is suddenly not responding to touches at all. Keyboard works normally. Mar 02 18:19:41 Rebooting (from the keyboard, of course) didn't fix it. Mar 02 18:25:48 i just had to factory reset mine, all of the net connections died after the 1.4 upgrade Mar 02 18:25:52 boo-hiss and stuff. Mar 02 18:26:55 :( Mar 02 18:27:14 oh new version of bad kitty in catalog Mar 02 18:27:31 why there is no free version :( Mar 02 18:39:19 xalbo: try pulling the battery Mar 02 18:39:27 one time my keyboard didn't work at all and pulling hte battery fixed it Mar 02 18:39:52 Just did that, and... Mar 02 18:40:04 doesn't work. Mar 02 18:40:46 Im having issues with getting preware going Mar 02 18:40:56 installed package manager and preware on 1.4 webos Mar 02 18:41:10 and restarted luna Mar 02 18:41:57 I get this error Failure during update operation ipkg_conf_init: failed to create temporary directory (null): Read-only file system Mar 02 18:41:58 * Mousey installs flite Mar 02 18:43:41 Any ideas? Mar 02 18:45:27 max1001: how did you install preware/ipkgservice Mar 02 18:45:43 via webos quickinstall Mar 02 18:46:22 max1001: what version Mar 02 18:46:34 of quickinstall? Mar 02 18:46:50 Quick question, what are the most recent versions of preware/ipkgservice? Mar 02 18:46:52 webos quickinstall 3.02 Mar 02 18:47:23 max1001: sounds like a postinst problem. do you have command line access Mar 02 18:47:36 no, how do I get cline access? Mar 02 18:48:18 max1001: you could install terminus via wosqi Mar 02 18:48:30 hmm how do I go about that? Mar 02 18:48:54 max1001: I believe it's in the webos-internals feed Mar 02 18:49:06 oh, okay I'll look and brb Mar 02 18:49:18 Hmm, getting "palm-webos-device kern.err kernel: [ 802.220000] cy8mrln: Scan timed out" in the logs. Mar 02 18:49:20 actually I have command line access it seems directly through webos quick install Mar 02 18:49:33 will that work? Mar 02 18:49:42 dougal: preware is 0.9.28, pms is 0.9.37 Mar 02 18:50:11 max1001: no, what I'm asking you to do requires interactivity, wosq command line does not support interactive utilities Mar 02 18:50:42 okay downloading something called "terminal" in internals feed Mar 02 18:53:22 speaking of command line access. hows terminal? :-) Mar 02 18:53:23 says I need terminal plugin, but don't see it anywhere to download Mar 02 18:54:27 terminal is brokeded Mar 02 18:54:59 ~brokeded Mar 02 18:55:18 :-\ Mar 02 18:56:12 ~~~~ Mar 02 18:56:13 ARGH!!! STOP IT egaudet_work!!! Mar 02 18:56:46 lol Mar 02 18:56:47 psykoz: I'm open for suggestions :) Mar 02 18:58:51 HOLY SHIT!! A TALKING PRE! Mar 02 18:58:56 * Mousey 's pre TALKS now! Mar 02 18:59:08 * Mousey huggles flite Mar 02 18:59:59 mousey: what is this flite you speak off? is it in app cat? Mar 02 19:00:16 flite? Mar 02 19:00:18 app cat? Mar 02 19:00:33 application catalog Mar 02 19:00:45 btw, google has a text-2-speech service too Mar 02 19:00:47 golatac noitacilppa Mar 02 19:01:19 mjkjr|wirc: flite! you know, FLITE!! Mar 02 19:01:20 only problem they filter mobile devices, you would need to alter yourbrowser id Mar 02 19:01:21 festival lite! Mar 02 19:01:25 as in text-to-speech!! Mar 02 19:01:26 what does flite sounds like? Is it like bonzi buddy Mar 02 19:01:33 donno bonzi buddy Mar 02 19:01:44 it sounds mechanical and artificial, but legible Mar 02 19:01:49 i post EXAMPLE! Mar 02 19:02:00 wget http://ross154.net/~mprov/monkeys.mp3 Mar 02 19:02:23 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BonziBUDDY Mar 02 19:02:28 this guy he sounded funny :) Mar 02 19:02:50 !flite Mar 02 19:02:55 ~flite Mar 02 19:02:57 flite is, like, http://www.cmuflite.org/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/flite or lightweight speech synthesis that works on the ipaq Mar 02 19:02:59 MetaView, yeah I dunno if you want me making suggestions, I do however like how the controls were in rwhitby's quake, the joystiq/fire overlay, the joystiq felt springy sorta like in Assassins Creed on the Pre, etc. But other than I still had fun playing it Mar 02 19:03:16 http://translate.google.com/translate_tts?tl=en&q=What about some better Text2Speech? Mar 02 19:03:19 psykoz: bump Mar 02 19:03:55 psykoz: but the controls are like in quake Mar 02 19:03:58 echo MetaView: what about no access to internet needed, and google doesn't get all my data text-to-speech | flite Mar 02 19:04:30 Mousy: what about understanding what it says? Mar 02 19:04:39 but hey, you're right Mar 02 19:04:41 MetaView: install a better voice? Mar 02 19:04:48 its not like it's not modular Mar 02 19:04:52 Mousey: ok Mar 02 19:05:03 has other languages, accents.. whatever you have room for i guess Mar 02 19:05:39 MetaView, maybe I'm experiencing something different then? When I move forward with the onscreen joystiq on duke3d Mar 02 19:05:44 he keeps running forward even after I let go Mar 02 19:05:58 it's like it stays in the same keystate Mar 02 19:06:13 whereas when I let go of the joystiq in rwhitby's quake controls character stops moving immediately Mar 02 19:06:39 hm, ok Mar 02 19:06:48 it's a point, will check it Mar 02 19:07:03 festival is modular, flite is not Mar 02 19:07:44 mousey, that was too funny. my cubicle neighbors looked at me like I was crazy. I want it now. Mar 02 19:08:00 MetaView, like I said though, overall it rocks >:D Mar 02 19:08:04 I like me some duke3d Mar 02 19:08:36 mjkjr|wirc: well i'm just testing it with him, as soon as he's ready (if he doesn't) i'll announce where to get it Mar 02 19:08:39 it needs sound Mar 02 19:10:13 mousey: cool, I look forward to my phone talking in the future Mar 02 19:12:44 Woohoo! Pulled the battery, left it out for ~5 minutes, and *this* time it worked. Mar 02 19:14:16 yeyz Mar 02 19:15:51 morphis: hey, hey play with the wireless chip at all? we're curious about monitor mode Mar 02 19:15:59 jacques: FINE, details details Mar 02 19:15:59 =P Mar 02 19:16:08 speaking of Mar 02 19:16:31 heyho Mar 02 19:16:53 zsoc_wirc: wait a moment Mar 02 19:17:04 * zsoc_wirc plays hold music Mar 02 19:17:12 * Mousey taps foot impatiently Mar 02 19:18:58 * mjkjr|wirc looks around curiously Mar 02 19:21:23 infobot: hold music is do do do doo.. doo doo do.. do do do doo.. doo doo do.. dum dum dum.. de doo do.. Mar 02 19:21:24 * infobot Embraces music is do do do doo.. doo doo do.. do do do doo.. doo doo do.. dum dum dum.. de doo do.. in a giant bear hug. Then gets bored and uses music is do do do doo.. doo doo do.. do do do doo.. doo doo do.. dum dum dum.. de doo do.. as a chew toy. Mar 02 19:21:42 hahaha he can't use hold.. hmmm Mar 02 19:21:54 infobot: hold me Mar 02 19:21:55 * infobot Embraces zsoc_wirc in a giant bear hug. Then gets bored and uses zsoc_wirc as a chew toy. Mar 02 19:22:04 infobot: holdmusic is do do do doo.. doo doo do.. do do do doo.. doo doo do.. dum dum dum.. de doo do.. Mar 02 19:22:05 okay, Mousey Mar 02 19:22:31 !holdmusic Mar 02 19:22:33 Mousey: it can handle two works, just not with hold lol. maybe a \\hold Mar 02 19:22:40 ~holdmusic Mar 02 19:22:41 do do do doo.. doo doo do.. do do do doo.. doo doo do.. dum dum dum.. de doo do.. Mar 02 19:22:45 * Mousey wins! Mar 02 19:22:54 why cant I ln -s /media/internal/DCIM/100PRE /media/internal/www/photos ? gives me permission denied. Mar 02 19:23:12 because vfat doesn't support sym links Mar 02 19:23:20 ding ding ding ding Mar 02 19:23:29 egaudet_work is the winner! Mar 02 19:23:32 door #2 ! Mar 02 19:23:40 egaudet: ahh. so what is my alternative? ;) Mar 02 19:23:47 copy Mar 02 19:23:48 such a wonderful file system to have been chosen for pretty much everything. :-/ Mar 02 19:24:07 or get funky with bind mounts or unionfs-fuse Mar 02 19:24:22 lemketron: got my email regarding canvas? Mar 02 19:24:22 or put the sym links off of the vfat partition Mar 02 19:24:53 MetaView: yes, thanks. Mar 02 19:25:10 well they need to be in /media/internal/www which is where lighty web server is running Mar 02 19:25:23 cal__: easiest way is just to copy Mar 02 19:25:43 i want them to show up as soon as i take a photo though hehe Mar 02 19:25:43 change the web server to serve from different dirs? Mar 02 19:26:02 try to bind mount but that might get messed up if/when media gets unmounted going into USB mode Mar 02 19:26:24 inotify? Mar 02 19:26:46 I would rather configure the web server Mar 02 19:27:02 inotify doesn't work after it gets unmounted Mar 02 19:27:21 unionfs-fuse I believe worked fine when I tested it though ;) Mar 02 19:27:33 I guess i will run the web server pointing to /media/internal/DCIM .. i really didnt want to do that though because I will have other web server files that I don't want in my DCIM directory. Mar 02 19:27:45 I want to scroll the default scene scroller: scrollto() doesn't work? Mar 02 19:28:11 cal__: maybe you can have to subdomains? Mar 02 19:28:25 and then reference from the main sub domain to the other one฿ Mar 02 19:28:33 don't know if this is supported Mar 02 19:28:51 * Mousey checks out SCALE 8x pictures Mar 02 19:28:54 MAN i'm ugly Mar 02 19:28:55 a simple ln -s would have solved all my problems ;) Mar 02 19:29:07 no, it don't :) Mar 02 19:29:08 cal__, if you really want you can overlay it with unionfs-fuse :P Mar 02 19:29:23 cal__: there's one big bad bully to blame for that ;) Mar 02 19:29:30 you could reformat it with ext3 Mar 02 19:29:52 hi, is anyone having problems with phantom messages in the email app? one message pops up every time I sync mails, it says its from today and read, but its about 1 month old. there are "only" about 250 messages in that account, I already removed and readded the account :( Mar 02 19:30:32 why is the default scene scroller not working correctly? Mar 02 19:30:37 argh Mar 02 19:34:04 zsoc_wirc: so, whats up with the wlan module? Mar 02 19:35:32 so if i just create a copy script.. how do i run it from a simple icon that I can run from the launcher? is it possible to run bash scripts from a webos app? Mar 02 19:38:04 carp forgot the dev mode code. Mar 02 19:38:19 updownupdownleftrightabstart? Mar 02 19:38:53 ba Mar 02 19:39:05 thx Mar 02 19:39:22 hmm more than that Mar 02 19:39:38 upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart Mar 02 19:39:46 AH Mar 02 19:39:47 ~konami Mar 02 19:40:37 infobot: konami is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konami_code Mar 02 19:40:39 okay, jacques Mar 02 19:40:40 or just do webos20090606. Not as cool but shorter :-) Mar 02 19:40:45 ~botsnack Mar 02 19:40:46 aw, gee, jacques Mar 02 19:40:57 nxg125: yeah that woulda been shorter. Mar 02 19:41:00 and easier to remember Mar 02 19:41:11 not for me - I always forget the date Mar 02 19:41:21 that's my birthday Mar 02 19:41:25 not the 2009 part Mar 02 19:41:26 ~devmode Mar 02 19:41:29 but the 0606 part Mar 02 19:41:32 lol Mar 02 19:41:55 infobot: devmode is webos20090606 or upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart Mar 02 19:41:57 jacques: okay Mar 02 19:42:04 ~botsnack Mar 02 19:42:05 jacques: thanks Mar 02 19:43:19 lol, does infobot get snacks if he answers a question correctly? Mar 02 19:44:29 yes, otherwise he goes on strike Mar 02 19:44:54 or sulks and leaves for houes or days Mar 02 19:45:18 s/ue/ur/ Mar 02 19:45:19 jacques meant: or sulks and leaves for hours or days Mar 02 19:46:44 cal__: yes, type game Mar 02 19:54:49 MetaView: pong started up. now what? Mar 02 19:54:59 anyone know a solution to: http://www.weboshelp.net/webos-forums/index.php?topic=218 am having same issue here Mar 02 19:55:58 ? Mar 02 19:56:16 cal__: what did you mean? Mar 02 19:57:02 heh Mar 02 19:57:31 in appinfo.json you specify the type of app: web or game Mar 02 19:58:10 when you write game, the "main" points to the file/executable to call Mar 02 19:58:22 check duke3d... Mar 02 19:58:39 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=games/duke3d.git;a=blob;f=appinfo.json Mar 02 20:00:15 ahh, okay. I thought you were pulling my leg ;) Mar 02 20:00:25 thx Mar 02 20:18:49 im hiding Mar 02 20:18:59 our irc has a promotion on for 1000 members its hell in there Mar 02 20:19:11 im getting 10 pms a second lol Mar 02 20:21:58 ~~~~ Mar 02 20:21:59 ARGH!!! STOP IT destinal-wirc!!! Mar 02 20:24:12 lol Mar 02 20:24:14 Grrr, I was removing a patch, was at the 'luna restart required', hit hit later, and it froze. I can connect to it via USB and novaterm, and the phone is idle, not stuck in a loop. It's also still displaying the altered color for a pressed 'later', and the splash image, a few minutes later. Mar 02 20:24:54 How do you force a Luna restart from the command line? Mar 02 20:25:04 killall LunaSysMgr Mar 02 20:25:09 or pkill LunaSysMgr Mar 02 20:25:10 :p Mar 02 20:25:58 Hrm, it's stick in a futex, would be nice to see what was holding it, but. Mar 02 20:26:27 Thanks. Mar 02 20:27:07 hey Mar 02 20:27:16 is mytether recommended these days? Mar 02 20:31:28 i heard it uses some code from mobile hotspot app for verizon Mar 02 20:31:38 which won't be good Mar 02 20:31:47 and the newest one no longer changes wifi module Mar 02 20:31:50 swisstomcat, why not? Mar 02 20:31:58 legal reasons? Mar 02 20:32:17 mytether isn't legal in any way Mar 02 20:32:18 :p Mar 02 20:32:23 heh Mar 02 20:32:29 wifi works? Mar 02 20:32:53 can't u just do a little search man? precentral has the latest info about mytether Mar 02 20:33:12 or go to mytether.net Mar 02 20:33:18 sorry .. wanted the most accurate information Mar 02 20:33:38 * swisstomcat heads of to precentral Mar 02 20:35:24 you want the most accurate information and thats where you're off to? Mar 02 20:35:25 xD Mar 02 20:35:56 well Mar 02 20:36:01 that's what en0x said Mar 02 20:36:57 swisstomcat: use freetether :p Mar 02 20:37:12 is it better? Mar 02 20:37:20 swisstomcat: freetether + mobile hot spot Mar 02 20:37:21 more legal? :) Mar 02 20:37:23 swisstomcat: it's free Mar 02 20:37:45 swisstomcat: why would it be illegal? I'm assuming you're on 02 with a tethering plan. Mar 02 20:38:01 swisstomcat: and don't say other wise Mar 02 20:38:21 i have no tethering plan, just a mobile flatrate Mar 02 20:38:35 illegal in terms of code used Mar 02 20:38:41 I thought Mobile Hotspot didn't work at all w/ 1.4 unless you have Verizon Mar 02 20:40:57 swisstomcat: oh, no neither one is Mar 02 20:41:19 Mitalis: that's possible, I generally don't know what I'm talking about Mar 02 20:41:40 swisstomcat: why not usb tether? wifi tether is hell on your device heat wise Mar 02 20:41:55 destinal: it's a destinal Mar 02 20:41:55 i usually use bt pan tethering Mar 02 20:42:13 zsoc_wirc: it's a zsoc! Mar 02 20:42:19 but wifi would be cool too sometimes Mar 02 20:42:49 zsoc_wirc: your Hungarian is awesome Mar 02 20:43:05 wait, what? Mar 02 20:43:29 destinal-wirc: actually it's my first language Mar 02 20:47:23 offtopic - anyone get into the starcraft 2 beta? Mar 02 20:48:13 * zsoc_wirc wonders if stating the obvious excuses your actions Mar 02 20:48:33 destinal: I am about to make a quip about your mum - your mummy is very fat. Mar 02 20:49:33 destinal: or in hungarian, az anyad iz kover Mar 02 20:49:58 er, van kover Mar 02 20:52:40 * oil feels insulted Mar 02 20:54:10 zsoc_wirc: lmao. I think that's close. I wonder if the real @zsoc will wonder why he suddenly gets all these followers. then again I have to congratulate you for having the sense not to use twitter Mar 02 20:54:49 destinal: I already admitted to being 'the real' zsoc. Mar 02 20:55:28 well that guys only got 3 followers Mar 02 20:55:38 and i can't understand anything he says Mar 02 20:59:30 zsoc_wirc: likely story, likely story :P Mar 02 21:01:59 zsoc_wirc: any luck with the file indexer issue? Mar 02 21:02:40 destinal: issue? no there's no fileindexer issue, just a lack of vorbis comment/ms tag support Mar 02 21:03:12 destinal-wirc: working on statically compiling precomd with libusb-win32 so we can release a <2mb preware installer Mar 02 21:04:08 * oil keeps expecting an update for terminal to appear in preware Mar 02 21:04:10 xD Mar 02 21:04:20 oil: use terminus? Mar 02 21:04:29 cxreg, i know Mar 02 21:04:47 terminal is just a more mature application Mar 02 21:04:54 and I'm used to the shortcuts :p Mar 02 21:04:55 i was just trying to give destinal a subliminal message Mar 02 21:05:01 I miss gesture 2 already Mar 02 21:05:07 you went and screwed that up Mar 02 21:05:10 lol Mar 02 21:05:20 cxreg: you're the flite guy? Mar 02 21:05:28 Adora: to what do we owe the pleasure? Mar 02 21:05:37 oil: random quips take less time than actual debugging :) Mar 02 21:05:45 lol Mar 02 21:05:54 zsoc_wirc: I'm hunting =] Mar 02 21:05:58 destinal: is the problem just linked to the splash? Mar 02 21:06:03 zsoc_wirc: yeah Mar 02 21:06:19 Adora: for a particular wanted dev? we don't harbor them here Mar 02 21:06:25 * zsoc_wirc whistles innocently Mar 02 21:06:41 hahaha Mar 02 21:06:42 zsoc_wirc: the problem is related to allocation and deallocation of memory, and I may have a lead but I need to test it Mar 02 21:06:47 cxreg: nice work. I expect a statically compiled version by friday Mar 02 21:06:50 I'm actually looking for someone working on an ares app Mar 02 21:06:57 zsoc_wirc: why static? Mar 02 21:07:06 Adora: ares? in webos-internals? Mar 02 21:07:10 destinal: lead? Mar 02 21:07:18 cxreg: so it's sandbox compatible for the pdk Mar 02 21:07:21 do tell Mar 02 21:07:24 ah Mar 02 21:07:43 zsoc_wirc: I just asked in #webos, but when I connect to freenode I join all the channels at once Mar 02 21:07:45 what's ares? :P Mar 02 21:07:46 zsoc_wirc: right now i'm fighting issues with buffer overruns. hope to have it figured out tonight Mar 02 21:08:06 Adora: ah ok then :) ignore my incessant trolling Mar 02 21:08:30 zsoc_wirc: you troll because you care, it's all good =] Mar 02 21:09:13 cxreg: INPUT is full of nasty buffer issues, output should be fine. does flite use alsa-libs or some other media framework? Mar 02 21:09:22 Adora: good, I'll use you as a reference :p Mar 02 21:12:43 zsoc_wirc: alsa. i did some shady things with alsa headers when building it, so that could be the cause. otherwise, it might be a Hz or bitrate issue. Mar 02 21:13:13 i'm supposed to ask xcomp about alsa Mar 02 21:13:33 cxreg: either is possible, is there a version that supports gstreamer, ffmpeg, or even just proxies pulse? Mar 02 21:13:51 xcomp hasn't really been around lately... Mar 02 21:14:18 i'm not totally sure about those. initially it built with OSS which didn't work, and then I built alsa which did work Mar 02 21:14:25 ill look at my options later tonight Mar 02 21:14:36 still at work Mar 02 21:16:01 kk Mar 02 21:24:43 has there been any further development on getting bluez working? Mar 02 21:26:23 dra2gonfly: feel free to work on it Mar 02 21:28:15 zsoc_wirc: even better than novacom would be a cryptofs linked usb-drive installer Mar 02 21:28:32 destinal: why Mar 02 21:28:42 zsoc_wirc: because it wouldn't need dev mode :) Mar 02 21:28:50 has there been anyone else who has. that might help me get up to speed Mar 02 21:30:32 wouldn't bluez require kernel replacement? or just modules? seems like it could be somewhat awkward Mar 02 21:32:17 I hope just modules Mar 02 21:32:56 dra2gonfly: I was thinking of more a userland solution, something like btstack, but that was just to solve the hidd thing Mar 02 21:33:02 err HID devices Mar 02 21:34:37 I got btstack to build and run but wasn't able to get it talking HCI to the UART properly Mar 02 21:35:50 that's what I'm gunning for. I'm getting sick of no hid profile Mar 02 21:36:53 psykoz: BTW, I didn't do the controls in Quake. Mar 02 21:37:41 Sorry that should have been grammatically stated as "rwhitby's Quake, controls" Mar 02 21:37:55 I was just referring to Quake in general as in your port Mar 02 21:38:04 psykoz: not my Quake either - someone else did it Mar 02 21:38:21 Oh I thought you did =[ Sorry for the incorrect statement there Mar 02 21:38:39 psykoz: dtzWill did the magic Mar 02 21:41:41 destinal: do we have docs on the bluetooth chip? Mar 02 21:42:07 destinal: how hard was it just getting btstack built and running Mar 02 21:43:26 psykoz: you could just refer to it as webos-internals's quake :). it uses a lot of work in getting other pieces working, etc. Mar 02 21:43:50 Aye, that's probably more appropriate ;> Mar 02 21:45:47 err i worded that terribly. it builds upon (sdl, general widk) much work done by others. although i did spend a lot of time polishing a bit, i also got more than my share of recognition. easiest way to give everyone credit, etc. Mar 02 21:46:08 also does someone wanna fix X for me? x.x haha Mar 02 21:46:23 me me! Mar 02 21:46:36 (related, has anyone tried building it yet? it should completely build, just doesn't render correctly yet, etc) Mar 02 21:46:47 but that could easily be broken there are a LOT of packages Mar 02 21:46:52 jacques: haha. be my guest :D Mar 02 21:47:34 dra2gonfly: building and running btstack was really easty Mar 02 21:47:55 and the depdencies of the makefiles aren't parallelizable, right? in cross-compile.git i mean? Or does make properly split for loops? (I forgot if it's a make-level for loop or a shell for loop) Mar 02 21:48:35 sorry for the flurry of comments :) Mar 02 21:48:49 * rwhitby bbk Mar 02 21:48:53 bbl even Mar 02 21:49:22 jacques: we have the device node filename and speed from PmBtStack command line, and presumably it speaks HCI. we have the chip model #somewhat Mar 02 21:49:24 somewhere Mar 02 21:49:48 ok cool Mar 02 21:51:17 destinal: I guess I'll start there and see if I can get anything working Mar 02 21:53:54 err does ltrace work for other people? I admitedly just grabbed it off ipkg-opt, but it's giving a bunch of errors then segfaulting. thoughts? :) Mar 02 21:54:26 dtzWill: strange - it worked for me on 1.3.5 Mar 02 21:54:37 can't really check right now Mar 02 21:55:05 yeah i seem to recall it working before; thanks for the confirmation Mar 02 22:04:03 dtzWill: oh btw, there's new oprofile support in 140 Mar 02 22:04:51 did you guys try the one in 1.3.5 ? I found it a bit quirky Mar 02 22:10:52 hrm... preware updates, failure during 'update' operation ipkg_conf_init: Failed to create temporary directory '(null)': Read-only file system. Mar 02 22:11:04 this is a new preware install on a factory-reset pre. Mar 02 22:11:22 which preware version? Mar 02 22:11:28 and installed how? Mar 02 22:12:00 reset it with WebOS DOctor, upgraded to 1.4, then used the instructions from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware to install. Mar 02 22:12:39 did it with the WebOS Quick Install first, then just went in with novaterm and did the wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap Mar 02 22:12:42 sh preware-bootstrap Mar 02 22:12:47 update feeds Mar 02 22:12:53 it ran clean, asked me if I wanted to re-install the same version, it said yes. Mar 02 22:13:00 egaudet_work: that's what gives me the above error. Mar 02 22:13:26 remove lists files Mar 02 22:13:33 remove lists files? Mar 02 22:13:41 where would they be? Mar 02 22:13:41 jacques: the oprofile? yeah i had issues with it in 1.3.5 Mar 02 22:13:59 seems like everything moved to /cryptofs Mar 02 22:14:15 which is a read-only fs Mar 02 22:14:30 should I just mount that r/w ? Mar 02 22:14:45 no Mar 02 22:14:55 ok... Mar 02 22:15:02 btw: why not? Mar 02 22:15:17 rm -f /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/lists/* Mar 02 22:15:19 I found mine is r/w Mar 02 22:15:32 egaudet_work: no :) Mar 02 22:15:34 cryptofs is not ro Mar 02 22:16:03 ah, so everything is ok with mine cryptfs Mar 02 22:16:38 yes you should never need to remount /media stuff Mar 02 22:16:43 destinal: did you modify the configure.in file for btstack? Mar 02 22:18:36 egaudet_work yes, it is ro Mar 02 22:18:44 cryptofs isn't even it's own mount here. Mar 02 22:18:59 root@palm-webos-device:/media/cryptofs# touch foo Mar 02 22:18:59 touch: foo: Read-only file system Mar 02 22:19:00 its fuse Mar 02 22:19:13 /media/cryptofs/apps Mar 02 22:19:34 fuse show up in mounts Mar 02 22:19:40 this doesn't Mar 02 22:19:50 root@palm-webos-device:/media/cryptofs/apps# touch foo Mar 02 22:19:50 touch: foo: Read-only file system Mar 02 22:20:09 root@palm-webos-device:/media/cryptofs/apps# df . Mar 02 22:20:09 Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on Mar 02 22:20:09 rootfs 452296 413344 38952 91% / Mar 02 22:20:12 it's not its own mount Mar 02 22:21:33 egaudet_work: and my lists dir is already empty Mar 02 22:21:34 dra2gonfly: I don't remember tbh, I don't think so Mar 02 22:21:55 bougyman: something is wrong if it's not mounted Mar 02 22:21:58 try to reboot Mar 02 22:22:13 that'll blow preware away and leave a lot of cruft on rootfs. Mar 02 22:22:23 i'll remove this stuff on rootfs first, maybe? Mar 02 22:22:27 huh? Mar 02 22:22:37 reboot won't blow anything away Mar 02 22:22:44 all the stuff preware put in /media/cryptofs will disappear if something mounts over it Mar 02 22:22:49 but the space will still be claimed. Mar 02 22:23:11 by dissappear I mean become inaccessible, because the new mount will be accessible there. Mar 02 22:23:14 /media/cryptofs is supposed to be a fuse mount Mar 02 22:23:27 i understand, but since it's not all this preware junk is sitting on my rootfs. Mar 02 22:23:46 and if cryptofs mounts over that on a reboot then I lose that space on rootfs for nothin. Mar 02 22:24:14 1.7M worth Mar 02 22:24:23 removing now, will reinstall preware after a reboot if cryptofs mounts Mar 02 22:24:39 mount: can't find /media/cryptofs/ in /etc/fstab Mar 02 22:24:49 it's not in fstab, does something in upstart mount it? Mar 02 22:25:22 pixi seems to keep being kicked around Mar 02 22:25:27 no sdl games Mar 02 22:25:28 now no flash Mar 02 22:25:38 bougyman: some other people had issues with an OTA update and their /media/internal/.palm isn't getting mounted as /media/cryptofs after the update Mar 02 22:26:19 bougyman: it's not in fstab, i forget where it is. I think might be in a udev script Mar 02 22:26:30 destinal: were there more cases of that? Mar 02 22:26:49 whats in /media/internal/.palm/ bougyman Mar 02 22:27:09 i have a .cryptofs file that looks like a config file Mar 02 22:27:21 and two weird =2LKJDF= directories Mar 02 22:27:24 no sdl sucks, I can live with no flash Mar 02 22:27:26 which seem to descend forever. Mar 02 22:27:34 two of them then you are probably in this weird case Mar 02 22:27:47 ./=2NJAI4DY=/=2PZBYY===/=2M5MZY===/=2MJAJKGY=/=2PBCJ6CHASE====== Mar 02 22:27:47 ./=2NJAI4DY=/=2PZBYY===/=2M5MZY===/=2MJAJKGY=/=2M5MY2CHG/=2PNMZGDHYTOKYLXI= Mar 02 22:27:51 thons of that kinda stuff. Mar 02 22:27:54 er tons. Mar 02 22:28:07 something like the key or token or something went bad, I don't know enough about cryptofs Mar 02 22:28:10 root@palm-webos-device:/media/internal/.palm# ls Mar 02 22:28:10 =2NJAI4DY= akCODw== Mar 02 22:28:16 those are the two I have. Mar 02 22:28:27 but if you move those files out of there it should recreate a good one and mount properly on next boot. Mar 02 22:28:28 what's the fix? Mar 02 22:28:31 ok cool Mar 02 22:28:37 those two directories, you mean? Mar 02 22:28:41 yea Mar 02 22:28:47 done Mar 02 22:28:50 rebooting Mar 02 22:28:52 hopefully you didn't have a lot of apps installed Mar 02 22:28:55 egaudet_work: I've encountered only two so far Mar 02 22:28:55 init 6 for a reboot? Mar 02 22:29:00 i had no apps installed, egaudet_work Mar 02 22:29:14 this is a fresh OS Doctored and 1.4 upgraded device. Mar 02 22:29:14 i usually tellbootie Mar 02 22:29:29 yeah it happened to me before when I doctored to 1.4 Mar 02 22:29:29 tellbootie what? Mar 02 22:29:37 ok, there we go. Mar 02 22:29:44 tellbootie goodnight, sweetheart Mar 02 22:29:55 * oilsworkn blames aupt for this problem Mar 02 22:29:56 i'll check for cryptofs before installing preware again Mar 02 22:30:06 xD Mar 02 22:30:10 bougyman: I usually use "reboot" Mar 02 22:30:11 any reason to go through that gui instead of just wget and sh bootstrap? Mar 02 22:31:45 ok cryptofs is mounted now, installing preware again (with wget) Mar 02 22:32:10 do I want to include Alpha releases? Mar 02 22:32:40 they're the same afaik Mar 02 22:33:54 though the version in git has a couple improvements :) Mar 02 22:34:06 you may consider packaging it yourself Mar 02 22:35:14 yay, downloading feed information. Mar 02 22:35:28 so what patches/apps are there to remove?? browser multimod? and terminal causes luna restart, so don't touch that?? Mar 02 22:35:29 wasn Mar 02 22:35:37 't there a pdf app to remove as well? Mar 02 22:35:58 i think the mytether wifi patch screws up PmNetConfigManager bigtime on 1.4 upgrades. Mar 02 22:36:03 all of my network interfaces died. Mar 02 22:36:12 yea... i don't have mytether Mar 02 22:36:17 lol Mar 02 22:36:20 i removed the 600luna patch Mar 02 22:36:27 that's the only patch I had. Mar 02 22:36:36 browser multimod has been dummied, it's just a placeholder now Mar 02 22:36:51 pdf redux has been dummied, it's a placeholder Mar 02 22:36:51 k... what about the pdf thingy Mar 02 22:36:54 ik Mar 02 22:37:29 are you planning to update now or already updated Mar 02 22:38:00 update now... Mar 02 22:38:14 just for shits and giggles... then i'll prolly test the meta-doctor out again Mar 02 22:38:15 darn, I really liked pdf redux Mar 02 22:38:55 glad multi mod is dummied, causes more trouble than it's worth IMO Mar 02 22:39:44 ~dummied Mar 02 22:40:00 yea... i don't even know what multimod does really... besides give me page up/down buttons Mar 02 22:40:09 i don't understand why palm can't give that to us in a stock release Mar 02 22:40:29 never worked right for me and gave me major headaches Mar 02 22:41:30 what about add launcher pages, etc.? Mar 02 22:41:50 just update all Mar 02 22:41:54 then vote in that thread Mar 02 22:42:15 yeah and vote yes Mar 02 22:42:20 sounds like a good idea Mar 02 22:42:20 :-) Mar 02 22:42:56 jacques: I'm sure it will be ported eventually Mar 02 22:43:34 even if your phone catches fire... vote yes :P Mar 02 22:43:46 (jk vote honestly) Mar 02 22:43:49 is no still winning? Mar 02 22:43:53 Wuh Oh... "Palm webOS 1.4.0 is now available. It's about 39MB." Mar 02 22:44:02 yeah mine combusted and I still voted yes Mar 02 22:44:35 egaudet_work: the preware thread, i thought as mods we could delete posts? Mar 02 22:44:36 i was almost not even gonna try aupt... and then i forgot this is the first time i can actually test it out Mar 02 22:44:51 i can't seem to find hte "delete this retard" button Mar 02 22:44:52 oilsworkn: we can right Mar 02 22:44:54 egaudet_work, you're smart. would -static be a CFLAG or a WIN_CFLAG (in the case of compiling a win32 lib) Mar 02 22:44:58 trash barrel? Mar 02 22:45:24 oh, someone else already got em Mar 02 22:45:28 part of being "smart" is staying clear away from windows! Mar 02 22:45:52 hehe jk but I have no idea, never have done any windows developing Mar 02 22:46:09 egaudet_work, it's for the greater good... statically compiled precomd with libusb-win32... 2Mb windows exe preware installer Mar 02 22:46:11 i don't see any trash can :/ Mar 02 22:46:27 egaudet_work, sok thanks :) Mar 02 22:46:33 oilsworkn: what was he posting? Mar 02 22:46:37 but it doesn't matter now Mar 02 22:46:44 he posted a count down from 9 to 1 Mar 02 22:46:51 in multiple posts Mar 02 22:46:58 no doubt trying to get over that 10 post blocker thing Mar 02 22:47:26 good idea Mar 02 22:47:28 i just realized the webosinternals forum has a shit ton of stickies Mar 02 22:47:41 lol Mar 02 22:48:02 lol yeah oil way too much Mar 02 22:50:12 bbl Mar 02 22:50:21 i just realized the roadmap post has pretty much been fulfilled Mar 02 22:51:02 oilsworkn: I got no idea how to delete posts btw lol Mar 02 22:51:09 yeah Mar 02 22:51:12 i dont think we can Mar 02 22:51:14 the trashcan i guess is just on the forum to tell how many deleted posts there ARE Mar 02 22:51:18 oilsworkn: i can give you somethin' to do if you'd like :D Mar 02 22:51:30 hey, im at work Mar 02 22:51:33 oilsworkn: there are 2 areas that preware needs to fix still Mar 02 22:51:34 workin hard here Mar 02 22:51:51 there are two MAJOR things stoping us from 1.0 that are related to the service Mar 02 22:51:58 cookie and database deletion Mar 02 22:52:02 update/replace dependencies and updating list when install of replace fails Mar 02 22:52:07 and feed addition/removal Mar 02 22:52:08 we need C service Mar 02 22:52:29 there was one wasn't there? Mar 02 22:52:32 ... and the ability to search from the list of everything before actually tapping the list of everything!! Mar 02 22:52:36 but it was all being changed around Mar 02 22:52:36 that's a biggie before 1.0 Mar 02 22:52:39 grndslm: i looked at it Mar 02 22:52:46 actually tried to do it Mar 02 22:52:51 :o Mar 02 22:52:54 but it will require making the main scene basically the list of everything Mar 02 22:53:05 the scene swap isn't fast enough to catch characters if you just start typing Mar 02 22:53:11 sucks you couldn't create a separate function to search from the list of everything Mar 02 22:53:14 or ill have to put a search field+button on the home scene Mar 02 22:54:22 so who would like a Type: Bundles Mar 02 22:54:30 bundles? Mar 02 22:54:34 yeah bundles! Mar 02 22:54:49 what about adding landscape to the "view script" feature?? ... or is that not even really gonna be seen with aupt? still prolly nice to see for after a doctor and full erase. :) Mar 02 22:54:54 bundle ipk = empty ipk with dependencies Mar 02 22:55:04 i thought you were going to do that with patches Mar 02 22:55:26 and then users could add/submit bundles like "landscape patch bundle" and "joey's jumping bundle" Mar 02 22:55:30 i can add it to the view script part of the ipkgservice (that scene isn't part of preware) Mar 02 22:55:39 but it rarely comes up much anymore, with the package signing Mar 02 22:56:29 i dont think it needs its own whole type Mar 02 22:56:36 it could just be in the patch type Mar 02 22:56:42 why does 39MB take so long to download over wifi? Mar 02 22:56:43 so its listed with the other patch packages Mar 02 22:57:51 egaudet_work: you talking about ticket #13? Mar 02 22:58:10 or something different Mar 02 22:58:39 cause ticket 13 is going to take a lot more changes Mar 02 22:58:48 since preware doesn't handle that stuff Mar 02 22:59:10 * Mousey thinks . o O ( fateful ticket #13) Mar 02 22:59:11 hi oil Mar 02 22:59:18 hey Mar 02 22:59:22 quick question Mar 02 22:59:28 shoot Mar 02 22:59:38 Mousey: idk if you can see this without logging in: http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/ticket/13 Mar 02 22:59:40 is it possible to launch Preware to a certain appID Mar 02 22:59:45 hey guys, sorry to interrupt but does anyone know anywhere I can get some more info on using jQuery in webOS? Mar 02 22:59:49 its not Mar 02 22:59:56 it could be added Mar 02 22:59:57 could it be? :p Mar 02 23:00:01 chris__, #webos ? Mar 02 23:00:15 things would have to be reworked Mar 02 23:00:25 so it would only try to load that single packages info Mar 02 23:00:36 zsoc, yea. Mar 02 23:00:38 instead of making them wait while it loads the entire list before displaying it Mar 02 23:00:56 you guys need to use google wave.... so you can COLLABORATE!! :P Mar 02 23:01:03 jk Mar 02 23:01:08 i believe ipkgservice still has the single package info method Mar 02 23:01:32 anyone know how to get the battery % back om the top bar? Mar 02 23:01:33 but it would also have to load deps, etc, etc Mar 02 23:01:41 if they were to try and install it Mar 02 23:01:55 * Mousey does not envy package manager writerrs Mar 02 23:02:00 * Mousey has known a couple Mar 02 23:02:10 grndslm: i've yet to find anything useful to use wave for Mar 02 23:02:16 yes ticket 13 Mar 02 23:02:20 oil, it'd be useful for 3rd party apps :D Mar 02 23:02:34 yeah Mar 02 23:02:39 i can see its use Mar 02 23:02:42 yea... neat concept, but it's too general and complex for its own good... i'm sure somebody'll find some use for it Mar 02 23:02:49 tdk, install the patch for battery and percent? Mar 02 23:02:54 assuming ipkgservice can still return info for a single package Mar 02 23:03:03 it wouldn't even be all that difficult to implement Mar 02 23:03:31 egaudet_work: the problem with ticket 13 Mar 02 23:03:34 is how things are done Mar 02 23:03:35 lol Mar 02 23:03:52 well things need to be fixed...some day Mar 02 23:04:08 yeah Mar 02 23:04:26 right now preware just tells ipkgservice to install over the top, or replace, this package Mar 02 23:04:49 it doesn't actually do the remove and install on its own for patches Mar 02 23:05:06 yeah these "replace" updates are special Mar 02 23:05:27 special, as in, only patches Mar 02 23:05:30 and themes i think Mar 02 23:05:34 since they're basically patches Mar 02 23:06:03 (for now) Mar 02 23:06:17 and unfortunately the patches can't handle an upgrade on their own Mar 02 23:06:26 to work like everything else, as an install over the top Mar 02 23:07:25 cause as soon as the new patch ipk is extracted, its replaced the old patches scripts Mar 02 23:10:35 well I cooooould change AUPT to save the patch somewhere else on install and have install try to remove it first or... no forget it Mar 02 23:20:47 bbl Mar 02 23:23:29 hello Mar 02 23:23:38 how is everyone? Mar 02 23:24:35 I tried to install the battery % patch but I cant Mar 02 23:25:21 is there a channel op here? Mar 02 23:25:22 hey, anyone know why I can't send to #webos Mar 02 23:26:41 topher_: is your username registered? Mar 02 23:27:14 probably not, I'm new to irc, how do I do that? Mar 02 23:27:29 topher_: /msg nickserv help Mar 02 23:27:50 everytime I try toinstall the battery% patch it tells me to update the ipkg log but I can't figure out how to Mar 02 23:27:57 gkatsev - thanks a lot Mar 02 23:32:43 azakus: regarding JSTop, from my understanding I could edit the id in appinfo.json to something without "js" and that should fix it, correct? Mar 02 23:33:26 this is the line I'm referring to; "id": "com.palm.biz.sketchyplace.jstop" Mar 02 23:33:52 lol that's such a kooky bug Mar 02 23:36:06 why in the world doesn't my unistd.h define geteuid() ?! Mar 02 23:38:32 s/define/declare/ Mar 02 23:38:34 zsoc meant: why in the world doesn't my unistd.h declare geteuid() ?! Mar 02 23:38:59 Looking for alpha testers for ipkgservice 0.9.38, which deletes erroneously large list database cache files on each boot. Mar 02 23:39:13 zsoc: do you still have that large file? Mar 02 23:39:19 hey guys, i have a suggestion for preware. think one day you guys will incorporate a checkbox system so that i can select multiple patches, then click an install button to install all at once? Mar 02 23:39:30 duke3d 1.0.5 is also in the testing feed now Mar 02 23:39:47 rwhitby, yep, on my other device, i'll grab it in a sec Mar 02 23:44:56 Why the jump from 9.28>9.38? Mar 02 23:48:47 Eguy, keeps things lively Mar 02 23:49:36 is jstop being updated to webos1.4? Mar 02 23:50:17 ok... so after webOS update... the first restart after it says "installing updates ..." is taking a long time with the non-flashing palm logo Mar 02 23:50:22 is that normal? or is it frozen? Mar 02 23:50:35 It takes a long time Mar 02 23:50:49 grndslm: yeah, takes forever Mar 02 23:50:53 they could at least giv an indicator or something... i'd prolly have pulled the battery by now Mar 02 23:51:00 if i didn't know any better than to ask :) Mar 02 23:51:14 I pulled the battery on mine Mar 02 23:51:18 I couldn't wait any longer Mar 02 23:51:38 Don't do it though. Mar 02 23:51:45 heh... i believe you Mar 02 23:52:49 hah... it's pulsing!! finally Mar 02 23:52:51 sheesh Mar 02 23:52:55 Told ya. Mar 02 23:54:32 what's the "volume bug"?? Mar 02 23:54:46 anyone know a solution to: http://www.weboshelp.net/webos-forums/index.php?topic=218 i'm having same issue Mar 02 23:55:53 Zuchmir2, sdk stuff is generally discussed in #webos Mar 02 23:56:06 cxreg-wirc, hey, i see you discovered wirc? Mar 02 23:56:17 :) Mar 02 23:58:51 wow... i thought that the app icon transition thingy would make it seem like it's faster Mar 02 23:59:05 wirc is great Mar 02 23:59:14 but it definitely has the opposite effect... or it's just gotten slower... or maybe i just need to install the 600 luna patch again... -_- Mar 03 00:00:20 grndslm, i like it, maybe i'm weird Mar 03 00:01:21 zsoc, you're not weird because I like it too Mar 03 00:01:39 I like it too, you can open something but not let it steal focus Mar 03 00:01:47 prolly just th patch then... Mar 03 00:02:12 yeah the best part is the focus issue. also you can close it before it loads Mar 03 00:02:17 or go back to another app while it's loading Mar 03 00:02:40 * mjkjr just wondered why he's using wirc while sitting in front of the pc Mar 03 00:02:57 mjkjr, it's just that good lol Mar 03 00:03:04 * cxreg-wirc on the bus Mar 03 00:03:15 I guess so Mar 03 00:03:30 cxreg-wirc, the bus is the best place to wirc, followed closely by the bathroom Mar 03 00:04:29 lol Mar 03 00:05:48 maybe a dumb question, but what creates mountcfs.log and what's it for? Mar 03 00:06:33 mount cryptofs?? Mar 03 00:09:18 ... so i hit a problem with named launcher pages, i think... and now it won't auto-update anymore. :( i'm guessing i've gotta go manually from hereon out? Mar 03 00:10:25 and is there any reason to keep "call duration in call log" anymore? Mar 03 00:11:10 grndslm, its updated, on off switch in menu Mar 03 00:11:37 grndslm, do you want call duration in your call log or not? lol Mar 03 00:11:55 err... yea, i thought they added this in the default release... but i guess not Mar 03 00:12:23 grndslm, they did but its broken, the patch became a bugfix lol Mar 03 00:13:05 Eguy: ipkgservice, not preware. Mar 03 00:13:16 Ah Mar 03 00:13:23 zsoc: did it work? Mar 03 00:13:35 so what should i do about named pages in launcher patch?? Mar 03 00:13:40 I think it's ok on vzw, or maybe I'm just confused Mar 03 00:14:05 rwhitby, er... i am unable to get my hands on that device now, it is unfortunately in an irretrievable location for the next 2.5 hours. Mar 03 00:14:28 man.. i opened the browser about 5 min ago, went back to preware, came back.. and the big blue globe is still pulsing Mar 03 00:14:36 really dislike that feature Mar 03 00:15:36 grndslm, close the app and reopen. you have to let the phone warm up first :-) Mar 03 00:16:25 zsoc: pong Mar 03 00:16:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRnlzbuLRwM Mar 03 00:16:42 1:40, they have the same camera button as we do in the new 1.4 update Mar 03 00:16:44 hmmm :O Mar 03 00:16:58 zsoc: i'll be back up and active soon. I only just revived my computer Mar 03 00:17:02 yea, no biggie for now... just sucks that i gotta install all these patches one by one!! ... just because of th named pages in launcher patch. :( guess i should just stop using that. Mar 03 00:17:04 it does stall sometimes, I've had that happen with calender Mar 03 00:17:06 xcomp, it's sok mate :) Mar 03 00:17:37 just looking at engadget's article on the apple lawsuit Mar 03 00:18:04 grndslm, remove the patch and then hit update all again Mar 03 00:18:21 i don't know what's more disgusting -- the ridiculous patent trolling by apple or the way engadget slobbers all over their privates in admiration of their insanity Mar 03 00:18:31 mjkjr: it's giving me a whole buncha lines that say hunk error or somethin' like that Mar 03 00:18:51 are all your patches aupt3 Mar 03 00:19:33 you don't have to install one by one Mar 03 00:20:32 xcomp: this article is http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/03/02patents.html Mar 03 00:20:50 mjkjr: i don't speak your language :P Mar 03 00:21:01 i update everything before OTA update... i know that Mar 03 00:21:26 "object oriented multitasking system" Mar 03 00:21:33 "object oriented operating system" Mar 03 00:21:45 "method and apparatus for distributing events in an operating system" Mar 03 00:22:01 "system and method for performing an action on a structure in computer-generated data" Mar 03 00:22:23 "message protocol for controlling a user interface from an inactive application program" Mar 03 00:22:28 US patent office FTL ... again. Mar 03 00:22:31 srsly? Mar 03 00:22:55 IMO that's all ridiculous, they shouldn't be able to patent that stuff. The hardware is understandable, everything else they try to patent = not cool Mar 03 00:23:04 lol Mar 03 00:23:26 thankfully Palm has a wealth of patents itself, so Apple isn't going after them Mar 03 00:24:05 "object-oriented event notification system with listerner registration of both interests and methods" Mar 03 00:24:13 I'm not the first to say it, but HTC should buy Palm :p Mar 03 00:24:28 I really need a F* Apple shirt Mar 03 00:24:35 * mjkjr thinks what that would be like Mar 03 00:24:36 lol Mar 03 00:24:43 i don't know who the idiot is at engadget that wrote this article Mar 03 00:25:00 the guy actually seems to think that apple's got something here Mar 03 00:25:13 "that's very much the core of the android ui, if you think about it" Mar 03 00:25:26 O RLY? Mar 03 00:25:59 it's also the core of every object oriented application ever written in the history of software Mar 03 00:26:03 and every other OS and application Mar 03 00:26:14 yea... "system and method for performing an action on a structure in computer-generated data" is a really good one Mar 03 00:33:29 Is there anyone who is able to replicate the reported problem where simply booting a Pre with large files in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/lists/* will cause memory problems *without* running Preware ? Mar 03 00:36:08 rwhitby: what sort of memory problems? Mar 03 00:36:41 If I want to totally wipe my Pre clean, patches and all, will a doctoring do that? Mar 03 00:37:34 Nrbelex: backup your data from the USB drive, do a full reset, then a webOS doctor. Mar 03 00:38:26 rwhitby: thanks, do you happen to know if Palm is backing up the favorites in the browser? Mar 03 00:38:39 Nrbelex: I do not know. Mar 03 00:39:03 rwhitby: No worries, thanks Mar 03 00:39:10 It would be prudent to assume that Palm is not your sole source of backup of data ... Mar 03 00:40:31 dd if=/dev/pre ... Mar 03 00:41:10 rwhitby: yes, the browser favs are the only thing I don't have a copy of myself. Mar 03 00:44:14 you know you are nerd when you use rsync over usb0 in preference to just mounting the pre as a usb device and copying files over. Mar 03 00:46:08 you guys seen /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/330/framework_config.json ? Mar 03 00:46:17 "animateWithCSS": false Mar 03 00:46:48 I tried turning it on and things seems a bit faster, however some animations/graphics rendered improperly Mar 03 00:47:02 think it's gpu-accellerated css animations? Mar 03 00:47:15 ok, I created a 1GB file in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/lists, and have no problem booting or connecting with WebOS Quick Install Mar 03 01:02:46 hm, so when i came in range of my wifi, wirc wont go online anymore Mar 03 01:03:01 i want it to use ppp0 even when eth0 is up Mar 03 01:04:05 oh, i bet it's a default route problem Mar 03 01:04:16 Is it just me or does it seem that Palm has artificially lowered the music playback since 1.4? Mar 03 01:04:36 (the volume) Mar 03 01:05:21 no wait, now it's working. that was strange. Mar 03 01:07:29 cxreg-pre, there's an option for preferred connection Mar 03 01:07:40 mjkjr gkatsev I'm working on it Mar 03 01:07:47 zsoc: i know, i was playing with that Mar 03 01:07:55 and it said "preferred connection is not available" Mar 03 01:08:07 ... for evdo Mar 03 01:08:13 it looks like I'll have to rename JSTop to something that doesn't have "js" in the name Mar 03 01:08:22 as odd as that is Mar 03 01:08:33 i would lose that Mar 03 01:09:02 azakus: huh, why? Mar 03 01:10:09 azakus, i was tempted to change the id in the appinfo.json file myself but i will patiently wait for your official fix Mar 03 01:11:17 so do you think it will be an update to the current JSTop or a whole new app since the id will change? Mar 03 01:11:53 cxreg: some bug in appId processing Mar 03 01:12:02 anything with "js" in it gets CSS turned off Mar 03 01:12:22 new appid = new app Mar 03 01:12:52 that's what i thought Mar 03 01:13:25 yep Mar 03 01:16:02 azakus: weird Mar 03 01:16:06 indeed Mar 03 01:23:33 luna crashed again :-( Mar 03 01:23:36 on unlock Mar 03 01:26:57 * jacques patiently awaits 1.4.1 :-) Mar 03 01:29:08 azakus, any progress on fixing JSTop? :) Mar 03 01:30:40 jstop looks funny Mar 03 01:32:27 lol, poor azakus Mar 03 01:33:15 Should "Package Updates" be greyed out in the top of Preware...? Mar 03 01:33:34 probably so if you don't have any to update? Mar 03 01:34:04 mjkjr, but why would that menu option appear there at all? Just to let you know that's where they would be? Mar 03 01:35:17 nrbelex, I guess so. I'm sure there's a more technical answer, but I don't know it. Mar 03 01:38:15 cause thats just how it is xD Mar 03 01:39:10 * mjkjr thinks that's the technical answer he was looking for Mar 03 01:39:47 the only technical reason, is that it doesn't do that Mar 03 01:40:02 lol Mar 03 01:40:08 there is no reason it couldn't hide Mar 03 01:40:16 other then there is no code there to hide it Mar 03 01:40:19 oil, mjkjr: haha, cool, just wanted to make sure I hadn't screwed something up. Mar 03 01:40:31 cause I disabled a bunch of the feeds Mar 03 01:42:52 The only important/needed feeds IMO are webos-internals and webos-patches, and maybe the precentral feed too Mar 03 01:46:20 oil when ya making checkboxes for preware multi installs :P Mar 03 01:46:33 is that in trac? Mar 03 01:47:01 xD Mar 03 01:49:05 The garbage collect in JSTop still works even though the program looks funny, right? Mar 03 01:49:13 yes Mar 03 01:49:43 was rwhitby looking for users to debug phones that won't boot? or just debugging in general? Mar 03 01:49:46 mjkjr|wirc: thanks Mar 03 01:50:13 why yes yes it is in trac oil Mar 03 01:50:14 :P Mar 03 01:50:21 meaning, you just added it? Mar 03 01:50:32 because i'd consider myself an expert user, but my phone boots. luna just crashes a lot now that i'm on 1.4 Mar 03 01:50:40 maybe, but meaning is irrelevant! Mar 03 01:53:11 seriously, i hope they fix that crash soon Mar 03 01:53:14 it's really annoying Mar 03 01:56:10 azakus: ah, cool. good luck with that. the auto garbadge collection definitely helps. but a bit annoying now that the layout is broken, lol Mar 03 01:56:13 hm, odd. so luna crashed, and took wirc with it. but wircd is still running. however, when i start up the front end it doesn't know that i'm still connected Mar 03 01:59:16 because the new app doesn't have the subscription the old app was holding Mar 03 02:00:07 seems like the daemon should support reconnecting Mar 03 02:00:29 well, the problem was luna crashed Mar 03 02:00:43 when wirc is closed normally, it kills active connections Mar 03 02:01:12 so is there any way to fix it besides killing the pid? Mar 03 02:01:24 yeah Mar 03 02:01:28 you could restart your phone Mar 03 02:01:31 lol Mar 03 02:01:47 or, what is the command, stop us.ryanhope.wircd; start us.ryanhope.wircd Mar 03 02:02:23 yeah I restart my phone to get it working right again Mar 03 02:02:30 pullingj: some people are saying that the big files problem is causing too many cards problems, even without starting Preware. I'm looking (a) for confirmation of that, cause I can't reproduce it, and (b) someone who has the problem confirmed about to get a command line and debug it. Mar 03 02:03:36 oh, well, deleted my 2gb file just recently. Mar 03 02:04:04 luna still seem real slugish to me at times and is crashing a lot. Mar 03 02:04:12 i can't really correlate a cause, either Mar 03 02:27:25 rwhitby, reading your interviews that you posted links to in the webos dev thread on p|c. Answering a lot of questions I had but didn't want to ask, thanks. Mar 03 02:37:11 mjkjr|wirc: Links? Mar 03 02:38:30 mercury: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/232614-meet-webos-devs-4.html Mar 03 02:52:31 mjkjr: Thanks. Mar 03 02:55:45 I'm sure this has already been asked, but what's up with the yellow caution icon on the email in the Pre? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 03 02:59:58 2010