**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 08 02:59:57 2010 Mar 08 03:10:06 rwhitby: ping Mar 08 03:13:22 anybody here that can help w/ package manager problem? Mar 08 03:15:09 ~ask Mar 08 03:15:10 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Mar 08 03:15:29 rwhitby: package manager icon wont go away after update to 9.40 Mar 08 03:15:30 FuMan2: it'll be ready when it's ready Mar 08 03:15:40 sslow: intentional Mar 08 03:15:53 Taking the duke nukem forever approach, I see Mar 08 03:15:53 :p Mar 08 03:15:53 ? Mar 08 03:16:59 rwhitby: any idea why i have to pkill LunaSysMgr twice befor it works? Mar 08 03:19:53 sslow: I'll push a 0.9.41 with the icon hidden again Mar 08 03:20:11 rwhitby: k Mar 08 03:20:44 pushed Mar 08 03:34:34 jstop 0.2.1 has optional notifications of auto gc Mar 08 03:40:54 ok, it works Mar 08 03:40:56 push in a few minutes Mar 08 03:42:09 azakus: waiting impatiently lol Mar 08 03:48:41 pushed Mar 08 03:51:13 azakus: not seeing it Mar 08 03:52:20 so will the garbage collection in jstop keep you from getting eventual "too many cards of doom" fail when you only have 1 app open ? Mar 08 03:56:00 i think it does that based on system memory Mar 08 03:56:07 not one particular heap or whatnot Mar 08 03:57:06 how do i find out which version a palm pre has before it's activated? Mar 08 03:57:42 psykoz: hopefully Mar 08 03:58:29 sslow: takes up to a half hour to push Mar 08 03:59:43 azakus: k....unless you are rwhitby right! lol Mar 08 04:01:40 is there a way to validate what version a pre has before it's activated? if there is would u know how to do it or where i can find info on how to do this. ive been researching several days but havent had any luck finding anything yet. Mar 08 04:05:15 can't think of a way to do that, no Mar 08 04:05:37 since you can't novacom in until you've at least activated it, you can't really poke around Mar 08 04:06:04 well, you could do a low level boot of the installer ramdisk and mount the partition and poke around, i guess Mar 08 04:06:10 pretty advanced stuff, but you could Mar 08 04:10:40 thx ! thats why i have no idea on how to do it since its impossible to get into the phone until it is activated. ur right, what u mentioned is pretty advanced for me. is there a "##code#" i could enter via the phone pad to access that section? Mar 08 04:11:24 no Mar 08 04:12:36 im transferring the old phone data to a replacement phone but they pretty clear on letting the user know that it HAS TO BE the exact same version for it to work and not mess it up. Mar 08 04:14:39 oh you're just trying to dump the databases from one to the other? Mar 08 04:14:49 good luck, i can think of a few reasons that'd explode Mar 08 04:14:57 but yeah, same exact version would be required Mar 08 04:22:23 gheist: yes, just the one that is not backed up on the profile Mar 08 04:29:57 prepre: is the program that is going to check the version running on a host PC ? Mar 08 04:30:16 has anyone replaced a pre with another pre before that i could ask a few questions to about the steps. Mar 08 04:31:15 1) put everything on google, 2) wipe the new Pre, 3) sync it back from Google, 4) forget about everything else, cause it wasn't important ;-) Mar 08 04:31:53 (unless you're well versed in sqlite3 and want to do manual transactions of undocumented format databases ...) Mar 08 04:32:19 that doesnt work. im trying to save what i cannot save via google or profile and that is by copying the db3 file Mar 08 04:33:43 rwhitby: what do u mean by the "program that is going to check the version"? Mar 08 04:35:49 I tried the do the palmdatabase swap and it just made the pre do a partial erase. Mar 08 04:36:06 that kinda sucked, but meh Mar 08 04:38:24 what's new Mar 08 04:39:18 Kyusaku: maybe the versions were different. thats why i need to be sure before i risk it. Mar 08 04:40:02 prepre: you can't just save and overwrite the db3 file either Mar 08 04:40:07 prepre: nope Mar 08 04:40:08 even for the same version Mar 08 04:40:53 Kyusaku: so u have swaped pres before, right? do u remember if when i activated the replacement the old phone got deactivated immediately? or if u had to login to your profile immediately before being able to see the version? Mar 08 04:41:04 egaudet: got C ipkgservice downloading stuff with curl and displaying stats in Preware as it downloads (amount downloaded, total size, time left, transfer speed) Mar 08 04:41:29 it was same version, I was verifying if meta-doctor was functioning correctly, for a foolish person who didn't know what they were doing. And probably replaced the db at the wrong time Mar 08 04:41:45 nice Mar 08 04:41:46 prepre: as soon as you sign into a palm profile on the new device, it will log out of the profile on the old device and wipe all data except that in the USB drive in the old device. Mar 08 04:42:19 egaudet: now I've got the ipkg on disk, it's finally time to start experimenting with how to install it Mar 08 04:42:38 but I've been futzing around with the stats display for a couple of hours :-) Mar 08 04:43:23 rwhitby, is the plan to keep both script areas for the postinst/prerm? Mar 08 04:43:30 prepre: I have most of my stuff on Google, Facebook, Palm Profile, etc. So I wasn't too broken up about it. Mar 08 04:43:45 just lost some logs Mar 08 04:44:13 egaudet: e.g.: Transferred: 105k / 457k
Time Left: 0:00:54
Transfer Speed: 25362 Mar 08 04:44:18 i.e. when we go to this new installation methods will it be easy to quickly transfer to opkg if need be and/or will it be the same process for command line Mar 08 04:44:41 egaudet: the plan is to be able to switch to opkg at any time if need be Mar 08 04:45:13 download progress is going to be awesome :) Mar 08 04:45:27 is this all being done in preware.git ? Mar 08 04:45:35 egaudet: yep Mar 08 04:49:51 egaudet: just updated the Makefile in src to use the same i686 toolchain as the autobuilder does Mar 08 04:50:29 so you can build and test it if you like. Just disable ipkgservice, restart java, and run the binary for ipkgservice Mar 08 04:50:59 is the binary just getting thrown in /var/palm/system-services/ Mar 08 04:51:31 egaudet: it's not packaged yet Mar 08 04:51:45 but the binary will be in the appdir/bin/ipkgservice Mar 08 04:52:06 in /var/palm/system-services goes the dbus service description Mar 08 04:52:22 did you say before that /var/palm/event.d wasn't used on emulator? Mar 08 04:52:53 yeah, it doesn't seem to be enabled there. I've let the relevant people know :-) Mar 08 04:53:33 since the emulator is always writeable, I'll just special case that in the postinst and prerm Mar 08 04:53:45 (to use old locations on emulator and new locations on devices) Mar 08 05:04:18 rwhitby: I'm thinking the only losers to changing Preware would be those overclockers still on 1.3.5 and those rumored BestBuy reps that put preware on the phone when you buy it(cause they might not be from a shipment flashed with 1.4) Mar 08 05:05:17 both would just need to use an old version of Preware I guess. Mar 08 05:05:54 Preware can be backwards compatible no? Mar 08 05:09:19 has anyone swaped pres in the past? do u remember if once u activate the phone u needed to loging immediately or if that can be done after i can see the device info to see what version it is and be able to transfer the palmdatabase file? Mar 08 05:10:57 I'm having some trouble installing Preware Mar 08 05:11:24 It keeps saying the Package Manager is not installed, but I'm using the latest webos quickinstall Mar 08 05:12:42 prepre: with a fresh pre it asks for palm profile username and password or create one once you log in, it starts pulling all your profile data and downloading your apps you have to wait. Mar 08 05:13:29 yoshiness: did you install the package manager service? Mar 08 05:14:08 via webos quickinstall Mar 08 05:14:38 webos quickinstall does not automatically install the package manager service, they're completely different software Mar 08 05:15:04 I checked both Preware and the Package Manager Service, yet it won't work Mar 08 05:15:18 try rebooting your pre Mar 08 05:15:28 I have. Several times. Mar 08 05:15:39 then remove both packages Mar 08 05:15:50 and install each of them one at a time Mar 08 05:15:58 with the package manager service being first Mar 08 05:18:49 Restart in-between installations? Mar 08 05:19:05 no you shouldn't have it Mar 08 05:19:18 just don't stack the ipks in webos quick install Mar 08 05:22:43 It still won't work Mar 08 05:23:11 try a restart Mar 08 05:25:23 oh and what version of WebOS Quickinstall are you using? Mar 08 05:25:28 3.02 Mar 08 05:25:32 ok Mar 08 05:25:36 just make sure Mar 08 05:25:43 making* Mar 08 05:25:48 My phone has 1.4 on it Mar 08 05:26:32 yeah just checking cause a lot of problems in the past have been due to people using severely outdated versions of webos quickinstall Mar 08 05:26:58 It is still being dumb. It's saying the pack manager service is not running. Mar 08 05:27:06 package* Mar 08 05:27:09 ok Mar 08 05:27:41 we can try via bootstrap method if you're ok with working in a terminal Mar 08 05:27:49 Sure Mar 08 05:28:13 check the WebOS Internals feed for Terminus Mar 08 05:28:21 and install that Mar 08 05:28:35 Why not just use the webos quick install command line? Mar 08 05:29:18 it doesn't offer a full terminal experience in my opinion Mar 08 05:29:25 Okay Mar 08 05:29:47 it might not give you the confirm dialog when it asks you if you want to install it or not Mar 08 05:30:48 let me know when you have terminus up and running on the Pre Mar 08 05:31:02 I don't have Terminus, but rather the Terminal app Mar 08 05:31:09 That's all that was there. Mar 08 05:31:15 no Mar 08 05:31:22 the terminal app won't work on 1.4 Mar 08 05:31:28 you need Terminus Mar 08 05:33:28 I can't find it. Just give me the commands I need Mar 08 05:33:53 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware Mar 08 05:34:02 go all the way to the bottom of the page Mar 08 05:34:11 it should give you the 3 commands you need Mar 08 05:36:00 hmm commandline interface is not so bad in WebOS 3.02 Mar 08 05:36:06 wedosQI* Mar 08 05:37:21 It's a little slow Mar 08 05:38:20 I wonder why Terminus isn't on the feeds, it's certainly working better than Terminal on 1.4 right now Mar 08 05:38:49 Terminal isn't working at all. I just tried, and it keeps restarting my phone. Mar 08 05:39:00 yeah it doesn't work on 1.4 Mar 08 05:39:05 it's a known issue Mar 08 05:39:40 Terminus does work if you can get it installed. Anyways did you try the linux commandline on webos quickinstall? Mar 08 05:41:29 It's being dumb Mar 08 05:41:35 It's taking a long time Mar 08 05:42:51 wow it sure does Mar 08 05:42:54 novaterm Mar 08 05:43:04 yeah about to suggest that Mar 08 05:43:46 does webos QI install novaterm? Mar 08 05:45:01 no you need SDK Mar 08 05:45:32 Thank the lord, Preware installer did the trick. Mar 08 05:45:33 Pre screen broke, I want to return for a new one, I also want to wipe the contents but cant put in USB mode sense screen doesn't work, any ideas? Mar 08 05:45:53 yoshiness: ok have fun Mar 08 05:46:08 I gotta get to bed. My parents will kill me if they find me up this late. And plus, I've got homework to do. Heheh. Mar 08 05:46:15 Guest123: Orange+Sym+u Mar 08 05:46:47 Thanks so much for your help. Mar 08 05:46:51 ty Mar 08 05:49:47 that RFC thread has been pretty quiet Mar 08 05:49:48 has anyone here swaped pres recently? or gotten a replacement or new pre in the last couple of months? i wonder which version it comes with. if it comes with the last one (14) Mar 08 05:52:59 howdy folks Mar 08 05:53:34 hello! Mar 08 05:55:48 Also Mar 08 05:56:38 * Templarian thinks pidgin is weird I typed that in another tab and hit enter... buggy little software. Mar 08 05:58:40 im having an issue with the camera on my phone Mar 08 05:58:46 my phone only lets me have 21 images :( Mar 08 05:58:54 keeps overwriting pictures Mar 08 05:59:02 do you have any camera patches? Mar 08 05:59:19 patches are the devil Mar 08 05:59:25 im checking now, but im almost positive i dont have any for the camera Mar 08 05:59:43 ewww Mar 08 05:59:45 patches Mar 08 05:59:50 what is this, 1969? Mar 08 06:00:06 so it restarts the photo count at 21? Mar 08 06:00:09 yeah Mar 08 06:00:26 no camera patches Mar 08 06:00:31 have you tried holding the spacebar long enough that it produces more than 21 photos in 1 shot? Mar 08 06:00:48 or rather in 1 instance Mar 08 06:00:50 no Mar 08 06:01:17 i just hit the spacebar once, and it does a new picture, and i go into my album, and some it has been written over the top of an older photo Mar 08 06:01:54 well do you want to try that I'm interested to see if it goes over 21 photos Mar 08 06:02:02 Does the App Catalog contain all the Palm* feeds that are in preware? Mar 08 06:02:08 or restarts to 1 Mar 08 06:02:22 ill try Mar 08 06:02:33 let me backup the remaining photos i have left :( Mar 08 06:02:35 dbSooner: not really Mar 08 06:02:42 lost a bunch of my niece i just took yesterday, kinda sucks Mar 08 06:03:12 tlz: yeah sux and please do back those up Mar 08 06:03:14 that last statement didn't read right the first time Mar 08 06:03:47 dbsooner: app catalog won't list web distro apps or beta feed Mar 08 06:06:09 dang Mar 08 06:06:10 so, ive given up on 1.4 Mar 08 06:06:15 is there an easy way to block updates? Mar 08 06:06:23 so i can stay on 1.3.5.1 for awhile? Mar 08 06:06:29 tlz: I want to see if you can break the limit by normal means, if not there are patches that provide a special naming scheme for photos. Which should be impossible to be overwritten because the numbering/naming is based on time they were taken Mar 08 06:06:51 interesting...i removed all the pictures in there Mar 08 06:06:57 but I want to leave patching as a last resort Mar 08 06:06:59 and then i held the space bar down Mar 08 06:07:04 and now its done 29 Mar 08 06:07:08 and still going Mar 08 06:07:37 when you feel you've done enough try exiting the camera app Mar 08 06:07:47 kk, i did 33 Mar 08 06:08:07 and starting it up again and take another set of photos to see if it overwrites the ones you just took Mar 08 06:08:07 exited all apps Mar 08 06:08:37 rwhitby: ping Mar 08 06:08:54 heh, started up camera app, but its stuck at startup, camera logo didnt even flash at all Mar 08 06:09:18 damn, camera app wont load Mar 08 06:09:34 odd Mar 08 06:09:53 try again Mar 08 06:10:08 nothin :\ Mar 08 06:10:20 reboot your device then Mar 08 06:10:30 k Mar 08 06:11:14 the camera app should not be limited in this way. I've had over 800 photos in my photo roll in the past Mar 08 06:11:42 its been plugged into my pc, and when i rebooted it, the new hardware wizard is trying to find software for "OMAP3430" ive never seen that before Mar 08 06:12:03 lol don't worry about that Mar 08 06:12:27 k haha Mar 08 06:12:46 that's just there for emergencies Mar 08 06:13:20 k its back up Mar 08 06:13:30 does camera app work? Mar 08 06:14:11 yea Mar 08 06:14:21 ahhh, now its overwriting photos Mar 08 06:14:25 i just took 2 more, and it still has 33 Mar 08 06:14:34 ok Mar 08 06:14:37 odd Mar 08 06:15:25 I don't know if you'd be interested in that photo naming scheme patch Mar 08 06:15:25 * tlz scratches head :( Mar 08 06:15:46 if it'll help, i dont like this losing photos stuff Mar 08 06:15:54 yeah I haven't head about this issue before Mar 08 06:16:24 should i give it a whirl? Mar 08 06:17:54 just found a thread on it Mar 08 06:17:55 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/233589-photo-limit-w-1-4-a.html Mar 08 06:18:04 lemme see if there's any fixes Mar 08 06:18:10 without patching Mar 08 06:18:50 ok it is apparently a known issue Mar 08 06:19:23 you can circumvent it for now with one of the photo naming scheme patches if you'd like Mar 08 06:20:01 you really need those photos you lost, some people have been able to recover some deleted data on the media drive Mar 08 06:20:08 lemme see if I can find the thread Mar 08 06:20:16 to see what software they used Mar 08 06:20:59 i found one thread on palm forums, but it was regarding issues caused by a 3rd party photo app on their phones Mar 08 06:21:35 the thread I linked to before is regarding your issue Mar 08 06:22:04 even a palm support rep posted in it stating it is a known issue and has been reported Mar 08 06:23:53 oh boo Mar 08 06:24:18 you can use the patch I mentioned for now as a quick fix Mar 08 06:24:54 I'm still checking the board for recovery software to see if I can find you something for you to recover the photos you lost Mar 08 06:25:19 but around this time of night the server kind of goes down for a little bit Mar 08 06:25:35 so having a little trouble finding the right thread Mar 08 06:26:07 no worries Mar 08 06:26:15 i'll just have my sister send me some more lol Mar 08 06:26:29 i appreciate you wanting to help though! Mar 08 06:27:34 tlz: you sure I found the thread Mar 08 06:28:10 ill give it a shot if u found it Mar 08 06:29:38 hmmmm the trial version of the software doesn't recover the files Mar 08 06:29:41 =/ Mar 08 06:29:51 eh thats ok, i appreciate the help friend Mar 08 06:30:08 ok no problem, be sure to try that filenaming patch for the camera Mar 08 06:30:24 I install it by default on my phone so I never noticed this issue Mar 08 06:31:39 so i am having a issue here with my pc and pre anyone care to take a look? Mar 08 06:32:30 never ran into it. 2 pc's in the house wont see it as a drive and the pre does not prompt me to enter usb, media or just charge Mar 08 06:32:43 it just goes straight to charge? Mar 08 06:32:51 did you try rebooting that PC Mar 08 06:32:58 yeah never prompts to switch mode Mar 08 06:33:01 yeah Mar 08 06:33:07 I think its a driver issue Mar 08 06:33:18 but both my vista and 7 machines are doing it Mar 08 06:33:22 it's usually an OS issue Mar 08 06:33:35 I've seen it happen on Win7 32bit edition Mar 08 06:33:54 i think its related to usb passthrough Mar 08 06:33:57 never on my 64bit system though Mar 08 06:33:59 although I have since removed it Mar 08 06:35:03 i installed freetether and it worked great, but since installing it I am seeing about a 10-11% battery drop per hour and my device is not making it thru a day Mar 08 06:35:24 same useage, only diff is the tether stuff a 3 patches, All have been removed Mar 08 06:35:46 still not seeing it as a drive and battery is just as worse :) Mar 08 06:36:31 cant even do the force usb Mar 08 06:37:11 never troubleshooted this issue, checking forums for any insight on a solution Mar 08 06:37:37 i didnt see anything on precentral related Mar 08 06:37:59 I know I've seen threads on it before Mar 08 06:38:00 i am putting usb passthrough back on to see if it saved settings or something Mar 08 06:38:57 have you tried restarting Novacom in services? Mar 08 06:39:14 yeah, I used wosqi to reinstall it as well Mar 08 06:39:46 well Mar 08 06:40:05 can you at least check to make sure novacom service is running Mar 08 06:40:19 in Win7 just type in services.msc in the search Mar 08 06:40:21 and hit enter Mar 08 06:40:26 yeah i just restarted it Mar 08 06:40:35 im using the vista machine Mar 08 06:42:56 running usbpassthrough gives me a prompt to install a driver.... generic something er rather, never seen it before, but it cannot find a driver and asks me to provide a disk.... Mar 08 06:43:10 ok Mar 08 06:43:11 its back Mar 08 06:43:17 that should be normal Mar 08 06:43:20 something I did with usb net Mar 08 06:43:36 the usbpassthrough stuff opens access to more internal hardware Mar 08 06:43:45 i think i know what i did Mar 08 06:43:45 like the GPS chip Mar 08 06:43:56 yeah, I left something open on it Mar 08 06:44:02 closed it and it opens clean Mar 08 06:44:09 although the setting is actually saved Mar 08 06:44:19 it looks like its normal but its stuck in what ever mode i put it Mar 08 06:44:24 good to know! Mar 08 06:45:43 now on to the battery, it does not seem to go to the "idle" state others see, I run a constant 10% drain over 2 hours with nothing open besides a 5min poll with the battery monitor... Mar 08 06:46:46 oh snap Mar 08 06:46:57 I dunno what to tell you with that Mar 08 06:47:01 so the setting was saved, was i set to tether and forwarding ip all the time then? Mar 08 06:47:14 that would kill a battery yeah? Mar 08 06:47:34 there's never been any kind of documentation to note that Freetether drains the battery when dormant Mar 08 06:47:53 but what about usbpassthrough being set to tether? Mar 08 06:48:21 I dunno there's never really been much testing in regards to powersaving for that Mar 08 06:48:54 ill blaze the trail. Ill run the monitor now for a hour or so and see if there is a differance Mar 08 06:49:05 battery usage stuff is pretty hit or miss Mar 08 06:49:39 yeah, lotsa things play into it Mar 08 06:49:48 using switcharoo and youview is a strike against me Mar 08 06:52:07 i really think there is something here, I was excited to see a differance between 1.3.5.1 and 1.4, i was seeing a 20% gain with like usage, then i wanted to get tethering working and thats when my battery started dying in 6 hours Mar 08 06:53:55 it could even be the way i shut usb down, leaving the setting open like that.....like the app was trying to run but couldnt or something,,,, Mar 08 06:54:44 i think i'd like the bottom LEDs to flicker when the phone is going into proper sleep, so that i might notice the times when i turn the screen off and it *doesn't* sleep Mar 08 07:01:53 has anyone here swapped pre recently? or gotten a replacement or new pre in the last couple of months? i wonder which version it comes with. if it comes with the last one (1.4). does anyone know? Mar 08 07:09:52 depends how old the stock is Mar 08 07:10:22 if you get a refurb no clue Mar 08 07:10:32 better off asking on the forums Mar 08 07:11:41 a bunch of the people here don't have pre phones by official means so they can't really swap or replace by official means Mar 08 07:13:18 prepre: you could always doctor the phone as soon as you get if it is mailed to you Mar 08 07:13:56 you don't need to log into the phone to doctor it Mar 08 07:14:31 if you do a store swap they will expect you to login while there Mar 08 07:16:57 rwhitby: Please retweet when you get time. Thanks! Mar 08 07:20:29 * oil retweets Mar 08 07:21:04 4 updated patches is big news? Mar 08 07:24:51 ~dsevil Mar 08 07:24:56 ~seen dsevil Mar 08 07:24:58 dsevil was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 18d 3h 50m 51s ago, saying: 'dbsooner: you around, again?'. Mar 08 07:27:59 every replacement pre I have gotten has had 1.0 on it Mar 08 07:28:10 havent gotten one since november though Mar 08 07:31:41 kyusaku: thx! could u recommend any good forums? i just wasted two whole hours with the palm folks from india and it was a complete waste of my time. it was so frustrating communicating and understanding each other and they did not help at all. Mar 08 07:31:58 precentral Mar 08 07:32:06 kyusaku: re: ur last comment, im a little lost... what will doctoring it accomplish? i only want to know what version it is in case it is not the same one of the old so i dont have any conflicts when transferring files over the replacement one. Mar 08 07:32:51 doctoring will bring it to a "compatible version" Mar 08 07:33:08 without having to log in and downloading the update Mar 08 07:33:37 im just concerned that the updates r not done before i get a chance to transfer hte db file with my data and that is not compatible and i end up messing it up! Mar 08 07:34:14 right Mar 08 07:34:16 really? i didnt know that! compatible meaning the most recent version out there? Mar 08 07:34:30 yea Mar 08 07:34:53 there is a webos doctor for 1.4.0 Mar 08 07:35:42 prepare: use a fake profile at the store Mar 08 07:35:53 you don't even have to fully turn on the device to have it in a doctorable mode Mar 08 07:36:00 once you get home update it either with the dr or ota (i suggest the dr) Mar 08 07:36:14 then update to whatever version you need Mar 08 07:36:24 all dr are available at webos somewhere Mar 08 07:36:36 so that means that i should first update the "old" phone to 1.4, then back up the db file, then doctoring the new phone with the 1.4, then activate it and last transfer the db file, correct? Mar 08 07:36:52 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Mar 08 07:37:12 i already have the phone i need to activate it Mar 08 07:37:14 prepre: yes Mar 08 07:37:29 if you already have it Mar 08 07:37:32 doctor it Mar 08 07:37:51 power it on while holding the up volume button Mar 08 07:38:08 yeah but look at this first http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/233285-broken-pic-mms-gps.html Mar 08 07:38:09 and connect to USB port and run the doctor Mar 08 07:38:42 ive never doctored a phone that hasnt been activated. is it the same way? Mar 08 07:39:03 others are reporting mms and gps problems with .db xfers Mar 08 07:39:53 prepre: just do what I just said to bring the pre in to the special recovery mode Mar 08 07:39:59 really? so how do i transfer that data? i cant read it on my pc, or can i? Mar 08 07:41:50 just out of curiosity, what does holding the vol up while powering do? Mar 08 07:42:16 it bringa the pre in to the special recovery mode Mar 08 07:42:20 brings Mar 08 07:42:54 mkay... cool lil tricks u guys have here... ;) Mar 08 07:43:27 it's palm Mar 08 07:43:37 all their devices have that Mar 08 07:44:13 is there a way that i can read the palmdatavase.db3 file on my pc avoiding having to transfer it to the replacement phone and avoiding potential issues? Mar 08 07:45:13 like opening the database Mar 08 07:45:24 and manually entering the info? Mar 08 07:46:10 the only reason people do this database swap is to save their SMS conversations and call logs Mar 08 07:46:27 everything else is saved on the palm profile Mar 08 07:46:34 just in case Mar 08 07:47:22 should i update the old one to 1.4 or just doctor the new one with 1.3.5.1 and then do the db transfer & last the 1.4 update after im done with the transfer and i have all the data including the profile's info etc? what would be best or have less conflicts? Mar 08 07:48:22 you could doctor the new phone to 1.3.5.1 Mar 08 07:48:42 do you even know how to swap the database files? Mar 08 07:48:55 because you can't access it by normal means Mar 08 07:49:19 exactly thats the reason hwy im doing it cuz of the sms and call logs. the first time around it really hurt me losing all that info and i dont want to do it again. i use sms a lot for work and i keep important info there that i dont have anywhere else so i kinda dont have other alternative. Mar 08 07:50:27 i already retrieved the file with the QI and its on my pc ready to be put back on the new device Mar 08 07:51:02 ok have fun with that Mar 08 07:51:08 going on 3AM here Mar 08 07:51:15 sleep time Mar 08 07:51:38 yeah here 2! OMG i didnt even realize! have to go to bed! Mar 08 07:51:50 thx so much for ur help! Mar 08 07:55:59 is there a way or app that works to open|view| read the palmdatavase.db3 file on a pc avoiding having to transfer the file to the replacement phone and avoiding potential issues when this is done? ive heard all kinds of things about this action, good and bad feedback. id prefer to avoid anything bad. i just wanna have a phone that works and i can use for what i need it for without more problems. where could i find this Mar 08 07:58:45 http://sqlitebrowser.sourceforge.net/ Mar 08 09:13:42 does anyone know how to run a fsck in webOS? I'm getting "write error: Bad file descriptor" errors. Mar 08 09:17:41 oil: basic homebrew install and remove working in C ipkgservice Mar 08 09:17:49 nice Mar 08 09:18:09 using com.palm.appinstaller Mar 08 09:18:53 for some reason, running AppInstallerUtility directly works on the command line, but doesn't work when called from the service (gets a segfault while it's running ipkg) Mar 08 09:19:02 but calling the appinstaller service works Mar 08 09:21:39 it's hard searching for fsck since PreCentral and other forums consider it to be a bad word Mar 08 09:23:48 don't know if the filesystems the pre uses can even be fscked Mar 08 09:32:48 * bhuey wonders when the next revision fixing all of the bugs that were introduced in 1.4 Mar 08 09:32:55 ...will come out... Mar 08 09:32:57 bah Mar 08 09:32:59 heh Mar 08 09:33:02 i went back to 1.3.5.1 today Mar 08 09:33:09 i couldnt take the luna crashes D; Mar 08 09:33:23 they drove you looney Mar 08 12:40:40 hello all. my / is at 99%, and I'm trying to figure out what's up... Mar 08 12:41:24 ipkg list_installed shows 538 packages. ipkg-opt shows only 25 Mar 08 12:41:40 a) does that make sense? Mar 08 12:41:55 b) is there a way to uninstall from ipkg and reinstall from ipkg-opt? Mar 08 12:42:33 opt isn't as big, but its also only at 77%... Mar 08 12:51:15 do u have the same email issue that every some time the email app shows you email accounts and ask you if u want to add an accout or not? Mar 08 12:51:34 en0x - addressed to me? Mar 08 12:51:43 (if so... no) Mar 08 12:52:01 timofalltrades, ni Mar 08 12:52:03 timofalltrades, no Mar 08 12:53:02 could somebody help me Mar 08 12:53:21 who are you who travel about saying ni to old ladies? Mar 08 12:53:22 ;) Mar 08 12:53:34 ok - I'll ask again later... Mar 08 14:16:22 Anybody could help with WIDK? I have tried building it with a couple different approaches now but can't get past " warning: libedbus-ver-pre-svn-05.so.0, needed by ../../src/lib/notification/.libs/libenotify.so, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link)"... Mar 08 17:22:20