**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 16 02:59:56 2010 Mar 16 03:00:11 Quick general linux question that googling isnt making easily available... whats the command to display all file systems? Mar 16 03:00:16 maybe do the "My phone is..." one after that is taken care of though Mar 16 03:00:35 it is true that since people can tag on whatever they want... it can truely be whatever they want Mar 16 03:00:47 Scratch59: define "file systems"? Mar 16 03:00:47 +egaudet: its the pdf redux patch Mar 16 03:00:49 you mean like a partition table? Mar 16 03:00:55 Scratch59: ^^^ Mar 16 03:01:06 cat /etc/fstab Mar 16 03:01:12 Scratch59: fdisk -l will list partitions Mar 16 03:01:28 mikepre, what does your webos-patches.log file look like for the section that it is installing that Mar 16 03:01:30 fdisk -l would prolly be more readable... lol Mar 16 03:01:54 anyway, gonna go smoke... Adora I am gonna keep an eye on that thread and see what you come up with Mar 16 03:02:05 would be awesome to get a Palm nod on that Mar 16 03:02:09 Sorry, I have a virtual linux server that I can't seem to enable RW access to Mar 16 03:02:25 mount - show mounted FS's Mar 16 03:03:07 cryptk: I'm editing my post a bit Mar 16 03:03:10 but yeah, I'm in on this Mar 16 03:03:32 hmmm they all show rw Mar 16 03:04:05 egaudet:: alot of hunk failures, almost all of them: 19 out of 19 hunks FAILED -- saving reject, i have the whole log file, i started with a new file so its the only logging in the file Mar 16 03:04:18 pastebin it Mar 16 03:04:53 any other pdf patches currently installed btw? Mar 16 03:05:18 no other pdf patches, and I actually restored all the pdf app files from a 1.4.0 doctor file Mar 16 03:05:23 Adora: also a viral before the launch announcement of a Pre2 would be great timing Mar 16 03:05:24 egaudet: btw, I find pdf patches tend to hate each other Mar 16 03:05:40 cryptk: I wouldn't expect the next Palm device to be the Pre2. Mar 16 03:05:53 you know what I mean Mar 16 03:06:07 their next phone that succeeds the Pre Mar 16 03:06:15 wont eb called a Pre 2 more than likely Mar 16 03:06:18 Assuming it's a 4g device, I'm sure there'll be plenty of marketing Mar 16 03:06:25 s/eb/be/ Mar 16 03:06:25 cryptk meant: wont be called a Pre 2 more than likely Mar 16 03:06:41 cryptk: anyway, talking about rumors makes devrel's run away :) Mar 16 03:06:59 wasnt talking about any rumor Mar 16 03:07:26 cryptk: Suggesting Palm is even developing any device we don't currently know about is nothing more than a rumor Mar 16 03:07:49 Ithen prepend my prior statement with "when and if..." Mar 16 03:09:27 I don't even know about any new devices =] Mar 16 03:09:38 neither do I, lol... Mar 16 03:09:42 am I mising something? does VI open files in RO by default? Mar 16 03:09:43 so I'm safe Mar 16 03:09:54 OK OK OK almost ready to post again! Mar 16 03:10:00 need a new hashtag Mar 16 03:10:02 Scratch59: if the file is on a RO filesystem or you don't have perms to edit it, then it does Mar 16 03:10:12 what about priming the pump with #webosisawesome Mar 16 03:10:19 Adora: is this post going on the Palm twitter or in that thread? Mar 16 03:10:20 Scratch59: ever think maybe your user doesn't have rights to edit that file? Mar 16 03:10:28 cryptk: in the thread Mar 16 03:10:31 you would think I would have rights to everything... its the only account on the box Mar 16 03:10:42 Adora: I love the hashtag Mar 16 03:10:46 Scratch59: not unless it's root, try su Mar 16 03:11:09 Scratch59: or do "sudo vi FILENAME" Mar 16 03:11:37 THANK YOU Mar 16 03:11:38 cryptk: contrary to popular opinion, sudo is not ubiquitous in the linux world :) Mar 16 03:11:48 answer: I WAS missing something Mar 16 03:11:48 zsoc: true Mar 16 03:12:04 I like sudo though and therefore everyone should use it LOL Mar 16 03:12:20 I even have it set up on all of the servers at work Mar 16 03:12:24 and disabled all the root accounts Mar 16 03:12:47 allows me to see who did what via the logs instead of seeing everything as being done by root Mar 16 03:13:11 My time is spent on Windows mostly... sudo makes so much sense... but i always forget to use it.. I was using it to run the mount commands Mar 16 03:13:19 I just forget to run it on general stuff Mar 16 03:13:55 Scratch59: the idea is to learn what the commands _do_, not just to append them to things Mar 16 03:13:59 give a man a fish... etc Mar 16 03:14:34 oh I understand... Mar 16 03:14:37 btw Adora pass on my grats to the Palm AD department Mar 16 03:14:48 AD? Mar 16 03:14:50 phenominal commercial Mar 16 03:14:52 advertising Mar 16 03:14:54 oh, advertising Mar 16 03:14:59 I looooooooooove that song Mar 16 03:15:02 so do I Mar 16 03:15:18 link me? Mar 16 03:15:25 and the commercial is excellent, best smartphone commercial I have seen... ever... from any manufacturer Mar 16 03:15:31 zsoc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1OHlFOee2w Mar 16 03:15:52 Adora: that youtube link should be shortened to a bit.ly, that _that_ should go in everyone's status Mar 16 03:16:57 Or: "Everyone go buy Palm stock. Seriously" Mar 16 03:17:33 http://pastebin.com/VvY8cwWJ Mar 16 03:17:36 ok, that's my draft Mar 16 03:17:54 is the call to action clear? Mar 16 03:18:31 Adora: I like it Mar 16 03:19:06 Adora: I like it Mar 16 03:19:19 just got all warm and tingley that my idea made it in... Mar 16 03:20:17 Adora: me too... Should each one be a different tag name? or should it be #webosis awesome? Mar 16 03:20:29 #webosis by itself looks odd Mar 16 03:20:35 True Mar 16 03:20:42 like something you'd read about in biology Mar 16 03:20:45 but a single tag would be more effective imo... Mar 16 03:20:48 hah Mar 16 03:21:23 webosis - the process of becoming a web enabled multitasking social creature Mar 16 03:21:38 but it would all be the same tag Mar 16 03:21:38 pronounced like osmosis Mar 16 03:21:58 I liek the hashtag #webosisawesome Mar 16 03:22:07 s/liek/like/ Mar 16 03:22:08 cryptk meant: I like the hashtag #webosisawesome Mar 16 03:22:23 << left hand types faster than the right Mar 16 03:22:56 maybe I can edit a bit more so that #webosisawesome doesn't come out of left field Mar 16 03:23:54 if webosisawesome is the tag for each post, then it would work... but if each person does a different tag i don't think it will have as much of an impact. Mar 16 03:24:27 yes, it would require a unified tag Mar 16 03:24:29 another linux question... this time about FTP Mar 16 03:24:47 to get it on the front page of twitter Mar 16 03:24:49 is there a special set of permissions for a user in FTP? Mar 16 03:25:11 Scratch59: depends on the FTP server you use and how it is configured Mar 16 03:25:17 I connected from my windows machine to my linux machine using FTP Mar 16 03:25:35 the one I set up at work looks at the group that a user is in... one group allows read-only, one group allows full perms Mar 16 03:25:41 but it really depends on the server config Mar 16 03:25:44 im using the sftpd daemon from the ubuntu forums Mar 16 03:25:50 I enabled local login Mar 16 03:25:53 winscp ftw Mar 16 03:25:56 ftp ftl Mar 16 03:25:58 then it depends on how it is all set up Mar 16 03:26:06 and authenticated using the local admin UID and PW Mar 16 03:26:18 but when I try an mput, i get access denied Mar 16 03:26:19 ShadeS: winscp is nice, but I don't have any windows boxes at work Mar 16 03:26:32 oh Mar 16 03:26:39 well then what arey ou complaining about? ;p Mar 16 03:26:52 lol, I am jsut saying that not everything is for everyone Mar 16 03:27:05 (and actually I do have one windows box... an old old old laptop, lol) Mar 16 03:28:23 Scratch59: is the FTP config allowing writes to the directory? Mar 16 03:28:25 analouge shit pisses me off some times Mar 16 03:28:30 i ca'nt figure out how to cailbrate this TT Mar 16 03:28:39 and there are no chans on freenode to help w/ the topic ;( Mar 16 03:28:40 TT? Mar 16 03:28:46 turn table Mar 16 03:28:52 ahh Mar 16 03:29:00 (I use pennies) Mar 16 03:29:00 you know, back when you said 45, people thought you meant records, not fire arms Mar 16 03:29:20 this is a non ghetto TT Mar 16 03:29:27 it's got knobs for that stuff ;p Mar 16 03:29:29 I calibrate mine with pennies, I take off the table and put them on the bottom Mar 16 03:29:37 so does mine Mar 16 03:29:44 It's a technics sl 1200 MKII Mar 16 03:29:49 industry standard hardware Mar 16 03:29:51 but my knob has a detent where it sits right in the middle Mar 16 03:29:51 real nice Mar 16 03:30:01 checking the vsftpd.conf file Mar 16 03:30:07 and I calibrate that to the correct speed with pennies Mar 16 03:30:08 I assume that is where I should be snooping Mar 16 03:30:09 got it for 150, retqails for over 600 Mar 16 03:30:14 nice Mar 16 03:30:32 I don't really care much though because the only records that go on mine are timecodes Mar 16 03:30:40 the actual music is on a computer Mar 16 03:31:04 yeah i have a time code setup Mar 16 03:31:11 i can't get my vinyl to calibrate properly Mar 16 03:31:19 the time code signal is coming in as an oblong shape Mar 16 03:33:11 ShadeS: check the L/R balance and also try a diff cable Mar 16 03:33:18 done and done Mar 16 03:33:27 i think it's cause of the weight on/with the headshel Mar 16 03:33:29 needle? Mar 16 03:33:32 i don't now how to setup that stuff Mar 16 03:33:42 i actually didn't get a chance to read the manual for my 1200 cause it didn't come with one Mar 16 03:33:44 that seems more like a balance issue rather than a speed one Mar 16 03:33:54 well Mar 16 03:33:57 i can tell you this Mar 16 03:34:11 if i take my index finger and push down *hard* on the headshell the timecode signal gets rounder and rounder Mar 16 03:34:29 as thus it doesn't take a phd to tell you, that there's not enough weight on the headshell/not calibrated correctly Mar 16 03:34:31 then slow it down Mar 16 03:34:37 it's at 33rpm Mar 16 03:34:39 you have a knob for that (or a lever) Mar 16 03:34:41 it won't go slower Mar 16 03:34:47 I do? Mar 16 03:34:54 for the speed Mar 16 03:35:05 there's a pitch adjustment slider which is at 0 Mar 16 03:35:25 oh Mar 16 03:35:32 no clue then Mar 16 03:36:37 there's a fine adjustment under the turntable too i think Mar 16 03:37:34 could be warped vynl, old needle... Mar 16 03:48:17 * mjkjr|wirc doesn't think his laptop was meant to run a VM Mar 16 03:53:52 time for me to go to bed... loving the new kernel Mar 16 03:55:35 * mjkjr|wirc definitely doesn't have enough ram, hmmm Mar 16 03:55:50 dammit, right after he went to bed! Mar 16 03:55:52 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2308965&posted=1#post2308965 Mar 16 03:57:03 adora: I like it Mar 16 04:00:26 Adora: me too, now all we need is p|c to do a front page article about it Mar 16 04:00:46 Tibfib: I've already sent a message to dieter =] Mar 16 04:01:14 nice Mar 16 04:01:17 this is much more productive than pelting verizon employees with water balloons Mar 16 04:01:31 That sounds much more fun Mar 16 04:01:34 But not as fun... Mar 16 04:01:54 what does astroturfing the scrabble board mean? Mar 16 04:02:22 mjkjr|wirc: don't think about it too hard Mar 16 04:02:24 mjkjr|wirc: hahaha, I use a phrase from Eddie Izzard - cheating at scrabble Mar 16 04:02:37 for when I'm bending the rules for something Mar 16 04:03:01 "You say "ERB" we say "HERB"... Mar 16 04:03:20 because there's an effing "h" in it Mar 16 04:03:35 (I always forget if you guys swear in here) Mar 16 04:03:43 Well _I_ don't Mar 16 04:03:45 oh I see, just never heard of that so I thought I would ask Mar 16 04:03:46 but everyone else does Mar 16 04:04:28 mjkjr|wirc: Eddie Izzard is hilarious, I highly advise checking out his Dressed to Kill HBO special Mar 16 04:05:39 too many schematics tonight Mar 16 04:05:49 Adora: I'm going to look into it. I like 'hilarious' lol Mar 16 04:07:22 so could I just use the unified diff creator to make my little preware patch? Mar 16 04:07:54 bpadalino: do some fun stuff :) Mar 16 04:08:17 i'll try Mar 16 04:08:37 * mjkjr|wirc thinks it just seems too easy Mar 16 04:10:19 mjkjr|wirc: well there's not much to it. I don't know how his little thingy works, but basically you are just like "heres the old file, here's the new one"... whoops! I made a patch! Mar 16 04:10:25 * zsoc tucks his patch in to bed Mar 16 04:11:36 well, I should go check on that patch Mar 16 04:12:27 they're so cute when they sleep Mar 16 04:12:59 lol Mar 16 04:25:01 Man, my Pre lags like mollasses when I create an email reply that has five or six messages quoted. Mar 16 04:49:54 Adora: you need a consistent tag for the campaign so that people can search for it or have it show up in trends. Mar 16 04:56:33 rwhitby: ping? Mar 16 05:03:42 #webosisawesome Mar 16 06:41:15 jhojho: hi Mar 16 09:40:42 Hi need asssistance. Installed Preware but it says "Fatal ipkg configuration failure undefined" when I run it. Mar 16 09:40:56 Will give someone a free voip account and telephone number if it helps :-) Mar 16 09:52:56 anyone know what "fatal ipkg configuration failure undefined" means? Mar 16 12:41:41 rwhitby: ping Mar 16 13:10:47 it's weird, Mar 16 13:11:58 when I go to http://git.webos-internals.org/ a download box pops up Mar 16 13:12:47 that's just the internet .. it takes a while to download and unpack, but it's totally worth it Mar 16 13:16:11 mjkjr|wirc: you aren't alone, it is doing it to me also Mar 16 13:16:13 bpadalino: you have the URL to download the internet? I've been looking for it ... Mar 16 13:16:44 nt4cats: I have the internet backed up on my Pre... it isn't as big as you would think Mar 16 13:17:23 take out the pictures and videos so there is nothing but text... plain text compresses amazingly well... Mar 16 13:19:53 weirder, when I saved it and opened with wordpad out of curiousity I could see the code wtf? that's not the code I want to see Mar 16 13:20:42 s/weirder/more weird/ Mar 16 13:20:42 mjkjr|wirc meant: more weird, when I saved it and opened with wordpad out of curiousity I could see the code wtf? that's not the code I want to see Mar 16 14:04:12 hey Mar 16 14:04:27 'lo swissy Mar 16 14:05:52 hey, another cat Mar 16 14:06:01 * swisstomcat meows Mar 16 14:50:08 terminal started forcing my pre to reboot when i try to load it. this happened when i upgraded to the most recent web0S Mar 16 14:50:11 please advise Mar 16 14:50:54 kubiszew: wait for an update terminal AFAIK Mar 16 14:52:45 so i am not the only one? Mar 16 14:53:27 no, afaik that terminal-plugin is not compatible to webos 1.4 Mar 16 14:53:41 shewt, ok Mar 16 16:39:40 hi :) Mar 16 16:40:14 morning Mar 16 16:40:27 hehe! i have a REALY crazy idear! Mar 16 16:40:47 * EvanDotPro sits on edge of seat Mar 16 16:40:54 i was insperated by a problem! Mar 16 16:41:07 so i got a replacement pre for my pre Mar 16 16:41:12 because it was doing that crack shit from the usb port Mar 16 16:41:17 this one already has a crack forming Mar 16 16:41:28 and the usb door doesn't sit flush with the phone Mar 16 16:42:12 anyweays how do i grab my txts from my old phone Mar 16 16:43:09 your pc dont recognize your pre? Mar 16 16:43:15 no it does Mar 16 16:43:26 but there are these cracks that popped up under the case of the phone Mar 16 16:43:37 around the usb port Mar 16 16:43:39 ? cracks? Mar 16 16:43:49 dont understand :( Mar 16 16:43:54 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2756/4254783236_08ef54ea86.jpg Mar 16 16:43:57 like that Mar 16 16:44:04 wait... Mar 16 16:44:36 whooo! holy shit Mar 16 16:44:52 is it destroyed? Mar 16 16:44:59 no it works fine Mar 16 16:45:02 my crack isn't that bad Mar 16 16:45:15 but the replacement sprint sent me has the same shit starting Mar 16 16:45:42 hm... cant help there, im by o2 europe Mar 16 16:46:37 hm, what i wanted to say? Mar 16 16:46:47 ah...my idear! Mar 16 16:47:05 what do you think, about a compiler for the palm pre? Mar 16 16:47:15 woah Mar 16 16:47:19 i just noticed the X server Mar 16 16:47:33 i mean a IDE app Mar 16 16:47:45 to programm on the palm, for the palm Mar 16 16:48:09 X server? Mar 16 16:48:13 would that be possible? Mar 16 16:48:25 it would be but it's a waste of space/resources Mar 16 16:48:37 palm and webos-internals provide toolchains for cross-compiling from a computer Mar 16 16:48:56 :( Mar 16 16:49:29 would it be difficult to port a linux-compiler with ide to webos? Mar 16 16:49:44 compiler no, ide? eh Mar 16 16:49:57 I compile stuff on my pre all the time Mar 16 16:50:05 intergated developmentenviroment Mar 16 16:50:25 I know what ide means, I'm just saying, eh to the idea of running one on the pre Mar 16 16:50:30 I don't know what it gains you Mar 16 16:50:32 my crack like that spread onto the screen and started affecting touch Mar 16 16:51:22 hm... you say that you are compiling on your palm.... dont understand Mar 16 16:52:14 I ssh in and use the gnu toolchain to compile, gcc/g++ and debug with gdb Mar 16 16:53:25 puh... i have no expirience with these thing. im a windows user and use only msvc++ Mar 16 16:54:00 psykoz: did sprint charge you for a replacement Mar 16 16:54:24 THAT's AEWSOME Mar 16 16:54:27 X in a CARD! Mar 16 16:54:33 "slightly pointless, but still cool" Mar 16 16:54:49 ok, but a other question: is it possible to WRITE source and COMPILE then? Mar 16 16:54:55 pointless is in the eye of the beholder Mar 16 16:55:00 can i export my DISPLAY to my phone? Mar 16 16:55:02 ^_^ Mar 16 16:55:04 sampson, $90 or 100 for some repair/replacement fee, yes Mar 16 16:55:06 Mousey: I have done it Mar 16 16:55:09 DOH! Mar 16 16:55:15 so it's listening? Mar 16 16:55:17 * Mousey checks Mar 16 16:55:18 did you have TEP psykoz Mar 16 16:55:24 dinner, afk... Mar 16 16:55:24 not by default Mar 16 16:55:25 sampson, insuance? Mar 16 16:55:27 yeah Mar 16 16:55:28 insurance* Mar 16 16:55:29 No Mar 16 16:55:32 ah i do Mar 16 16:55:35 I don't spend money on that Mar 16 16:55:36 that's a waste Mar 16 16:55:36 and they were claiming i will still have to pay Mar 16 16:55:39 I had to modify the start script Mar 16 16:55:43 unless you really beat your phones up Mar 16 16:55:57 i accidentally dropped the phone but the cracks didn't appear until this last week Mar 16 16:56:00 it's what $7/month + a $35 or $50 deductible? Mar 16 16:56:04 and i dropped it like 5 months ago Mar 16 16:56:12 $7/month $0 deductible if they say it isn't abuse Mar 16 16:56:17 and I did it over usbnet - should work fine with wifi - would love to know how it works over WLAN Mar 16 16:56:23 if it is then you pay $125 Mar 16 16:56:35 I've been on sprint for 10 years, if I would have had insurance I would have spent $840 on that + a deductible or something at some point Mar 16 16:56:42 the start script you say Mar 16 16:56:44 which means I'd be out $1000 since I've only needed to replace my phone once Mar 16 16:56:45 * Mousey roots around for it Mar 16 16:57:10 yeah remove the -nolisten tcp Mar 16 16:57:10 Just pay the $100 and get rid of your insurance unless you really beat up your phones a lot is my take on the matter. Mar 16 16:57:18 it's in the app dir Mar 16 16:57:31 yeah but it was nice when i had the centro last august Mar 16 16:57:35 the touch screen randomly stopped working Mar 16 16:57:37 got a new one free Mar 16 16:57:50 but depending on what happens with this i'll drop TEP Mar 16 16:58:32 Xsdl!! Mar 16 16:58:32 Yeah your mileage may vary, but seriously I've only had to replace 1 phone on sprint since I've been with them the whole decade. I can't imagine a centro being worth $1000 ;) Mar 16 16:58:34 WICKED! Mar 16 16:58:57 :-) Mar 16 16:59:10 there, nolisten GONE Mar 16 16:59:17 see dtzWill, someone likes your X server Mar 16 16:59:22 lol Mar 16 16:59:34 HOLY Mar 16 16:59:34 i had to replace my centro and a mogul Mar 16 16:59:35 COW Mar 16 16:59:38 god the mogul was a pile of fucking shit Mar 16 16:59:49 then iw as like OH HEY HTC TOUCH PRO IT CAN'T SUCK THAT BAD CAN IT? Mar 16 16:59:50 it did Mar 16 17:01:45 I had 3 PPC6700s replacements, sprint moved me to a mogul, after they sent me a TEP replaced 6700 with a bad ESN :-p... I went through a couple touch pros too due to a hinge defect :-/ I guess I'm a little hard on phones Mar 16 17:01:45 the touch pro 2 is.... Mar 16 17:01:52 HUGE Mar 16 17:02:33 touch pro is huge as well Mar 16 17:02:57 so my sister has a moto q9c and the keys are falling off... she's on sero and wants to stay that way so wants to ebay a winmo phone Mar 16 17:03:09 were there any other candybar winmo phones after the q9c Mar 16 17:03:14 I didn't really think it was that big, but then again I lived with a treo300 for a couple years too Mar 16 17:03:48 mdklein: that's nothing.. who here even remembers the Qualcomm (later Kyocera) PDQ800? Mar 16 17:04:15 that was my first smartphone Mar 16 17:04:19 s/my/the/ Mar 16 17:04:19 Mousey meant: that was the first smartphone Mar 16 17:04:33 arg! potatosalat without onions! horrible! Mar 16 17:04:33 hey now Mar 16 17:04:37 palm treo 650 Mar 16 17:04:38 ownzone Mar 16 17:06:57 now simpsons bb! Mar 16 17:14:51 ahhhh fuck you palm Mar 16 17:14:53 how dare you reboot my phone Mar 16 17:15:23 if i just lost all my shit on my pld pre im gonna bust heads Mar 16 17:18:44 sonofabitch Mar 16 17:18:47 it did just toast it all Mar 16 17:21:02 when life gives you toast .. Mar 16 17:21:31 eat it Mar 16 17:21:43 my words of wisdom ^. Mar 16 17:21:51 good advice! eat your pre, sampson Mar 16 17:22:14 i like mine with a little peanut butter, but it's all up to you Mar 16 17:22:28 due to oreoing, some people find milk appropriate for dipping Mar 16 17:22:34 just tether or play a game for a little bit and you wont need to cook it Mar 16 17:33:33 I've seen a scary I-assume-it-is-webOS-1.4 bug twice now -- click on the "phone" app to make a call, and it never finishes launching. The card comes up but the phone icon (and I think a spinny wheel thingie) stay overlayed over the dial pad. Mar 16 17:34:01 It sorta sucks when your phone doesn't, well, work as a phone. Mar 16 17:34:35 nt4cats: can you reproduce it reliably ? also, had you run anything that would rescan luna during the same boot ? Mar 16 17:35:50 bpadalino|work: unfortunately I have not yet been able to reproduce it locally. I don't think in either case that I had done anything to cause a luna rescan -- definiately not the 2nd time it happened. Mar 16 17:36:59 bpadalino|work: I've thought about both cases and they both involved me entering and leaving a low-signal area ... I'm in no way saying that was the cause, but that was the only common thing I could come up with when thinking about the two cases Mar 16 17:38:19 bpadalino|work: Given that I'm an engineer myself I do try and reproduce things when I see strange behaviors ... Mar 16 17:39:37 bpadalino|work: one thing that is "different" is that when I launch the dialer app now it springs into existince (as good as) instantly. There isn't even the 'normal' launch behavior of getting a mini card with an icon that then grows into a full-sized card once the app is loaded ... Mar 16 17:40:15 nt4cats: encountered that, too. But every time closing the phone card, waiting a few seconds, and calling the phone app again did work Mar 16 17:40:18 bpadalino|work: ... but in both of the cases where the app failed to load the dialer app exhibited the "normal" app-launching behavior (mini card with icon that expanded to a full-sized card) Mar 16 17:40:21 nt4cats: that is very interesting .. i wonder if you can check the log messages for what luna is doing when that happens Mar 16 17:40:49 i've had critical errors when loading my calendar after a luna rescan Mar 16 17:40:56 and the calendar will just sit there pulsing Mar 16 17:41:58 bpadalino|work: I'll poll /var/log/messages if it happens again Mar 16 17:43:58 nt4cats: i've had the same thing happen (phone app never completes launching) Mar 16 17:44:28 3 or 4 times since the 1.4 update. haven't investigated it because generally at the time I just needed to make a call Mar 16 17:44:29 dthought / epv: did it happen for you before webOS 1.4? Mar 16 17:44:34 no, never before 1.4 Mar 16 17:44:42 epv: sounds like your experience and mine are similar Mar 16 17:44:52 (except it was twice for me) Mar 16 17:45:03 it brings up the small "please wait" card, which just sits there forever Mar 16 17:45:41 i feel like it's possibly happened with other apps too, but i'm not sure. Certainly sometimes google maps takes minutes to start up. Mar 16 17:45:49 but i think in general it still does Mar 16 17:54:01 is there a way to change the browser agent in WebOS to match the iPhone? Mar 16 18:00:29 yo Mar 16 18:07:52 hello Mar 16 18:08:32 can anyone help me with an issue I'm having, relating to preware and the size limit of tmp? Mar 16 18:09:56 SiLlY_: tell us more about your problem, please Mar 16 18:10:05 abso.. ty! Mar 16 18:10:17 I created my own feed.. Mar 16 18:10:33 if I try to install anything over umm.. i think 60 meg.. Mar 16 18:10:43 it farts cause of tmp Mar 16 18:11:30 steve_: I am not personally endorsing this method, but here is a forum thread discussing what you're looking for: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/200656-how-make-all-mobile-websites-display-perfectly.html Mar 16 18:11:32 tmp fills up and causes error in wget Mar 16 18:11:52 SiLlY_: well, there are plenty of apps bigger than that and they work somehow Mar 16 18:12:03 well thats good news. Mar 16 18:12:19 I thought I might have been stumped. Mar 16 18:12:20 SiLlY_: ... but I've never made my own feed (and I'd be surprised if you specify the 'temp' directory in the feed) Mar 16 18:12:51 SiLlY_: ... actually I'm checking how big the big apps are ... Mar 16 18:12:59 I didn't see where you could specify the temp directory Mar 16 18:13:02 but that would be good. Mar 16 18:13:26 why are you installing > 60mb apps? Mar 16 18:13:39 (to a phone) Mar 16 18:13:42 They are backups. Mar 16 18:13:46 games Mar 16 18:13:47 apps Mar 16 18:14:06 I was basicly playing with creating my own feed Mar 16 18:14:20 the over 60meg file was test Mar 16 18:14:26 ipk format of course Mar 16 18:15:30 Do you know if the temp directory can be specified in pkgs.gz? Mar 16 18:16:26 I'm not sure preware has that function. But I woudn't know. Mar 16 18:16:39 SiLlY_: "Assassin's Creed" is 115 MB Mar 16 18:16:46 eek Mar 16 18:16:50 yeah.. Mar 16 18:16:58 now that is not installed via PreWare, so maybe the app catalog installer is different Mar 16 18:17:13 true.. Mar 16 18:17:18 SiLlY_: I'd recommend you hang around until one of the preware authors is here Mar 16 18:17:29 Good deal. Mar 16 18:17:32 Thanks. Mar 16 18:17:40 I'm sure app cat doesn't use tmp Mar 16 18:17:42 SiLlY_: actually -- one of the package manager service authors Mar 16 18:17:55 SiLlY_: ... because that part of the logic has to be in the service, not in preware Mar 16 18:18:04 true Mar 16 18:18:43 hopefully.. there's a hook for changing temp directory. Mar 16 18:18:48 We can hope, right? Mar 16 18:18:50 :) Mar 16 18:19:07 Not really a big deal, honestly. Mar 16 18:19:16 I do this stuff for fun. Mar 16 18:19:20 ya know.. Mar 16 18:19:20 :) Mar 16 18:22:05 k, i'll hang around but might be afk... Mar 16 18:22:07 SiLlY_: you're also welcome to change the package manager service yourself and submit a patch/diff back to the team Mar 16 18:22:14 oh.. Mar 16 18:22:23 hrmm.. Mar 16 18:22:31 ok. Mar 16 18:22:33 SiLlY_: ... and this actually seems like it'd be an easy enough change, maybe I'll do it ;) Mar 16 18:22:36 sounds like an avenue Mar 16 18:22:48 hehe..cool! Mar 16 18:23:10 I'll hang around for a bit. Looks cozy in here. Mar 16 18:23:32 When I get back from errands.. I might take a look Mar 16 18:23:39 thanks nt4cats Mar 16 18:37:13 hmm Mar 16 19:33:07 zsoc_wirc: Acer S243HL Mar 16 19:33:24 nice Mar 16 19:33:30 also my gesture area isn't working Mar 16 19:34:16 idk reviews are mixed Mar 16 19:34:17 this is hard Mar 16 19:34:19 :( Mar 16 19:36:29 why are you looking at monitors? Mar 16 19:38:00 PuffTheMagic: also, it seems pulseaudio assigns 'monitor source's to each.. uh.. sink? so in theory we can use the pulsesrc gstreamer element to record any application by source assignment Mar 16 19:38:18 cool Mar 16 19:38:21 PuffTheMagic: that looks like that monitor would be pretty good for pr0n Mar 16 19:38:32 * halfhalo_T400_ hugs his samy 2343BWX 2048x1152 monitor Mar 16 19:38:36 halfhalo_T400_: cause i am monitor shopping Mar 16 19:38:52 samsung 2343BWX Mar 16 19:38:54 Nuff said Mar 16 19:39:30 screen #0: Mar 16 19:39:30 dimensions: 3360x1050 pixels (948x303 millimeters) Mar 16 19:40:58 Hmmmm Mar 16 19:41:05 my local frys has one in stock Mar 16 19:41:11 I may pick it up..... Mar 16 19:41:29 because 2 high res monitors is better than on! Mar 16 19:41:53 s/on/one/? Mar 16 19:42:06 possibly Mar 16 19:42:40 the screens amazing in it Mar 16 19:42:44 the rest, not so much Mar 16 19:43:30 its very basic in the way of features. IE basic tilt, no height adjustment, only two inputs Mar 16 19:43:36 but then again, it IS 200 dollars Mar 16 19:44:39 and now its time for me to hobble over to the bank and then get food Mar 16 19:45:20 hobble? Mar 16 19:45:25 you're crippled? Mar 16 19:48:34 no Mar 16 19:48:48 but I stepped on a bee yesterday trying to catch my dog Mar 16 19:49:11 one of my toes is all fat now and its getting blisters on it as well Mar 16 19:50:50 halfhalo_T400_ -> Doctor's Office or Emergency Room Mar 16 19:51:07 lol Mar 16 19:51:13 lol Mar 16 19:51:16 nah Mar 16 19:51:18 not that bad Mar 16 19:51:24 just annoying as all getout Mar 16 19:51:33 although its better than the last time I was stung Mar 16 19:52:29 which was when I was heading to AZ from CA on the 10, going 90mph with the windows down, and a bee hit my arm. Had to go 15 miles before I could pull over and get the stinger out Mar 16 19:55:37 ..reading in to Palm WebOS doctor via palm.com: Mar 16 19:55:38 IMPORTANT If you have pictures, videos, music files, or other files on the USB drive of your phone, you will need to restore these from your computer. Running the tool deletes all files stored in the USB drive. Mar 16 19:55:51 (i thought this was fixed) Mar 16 19:56:17 "fixed" Mar 16 19:56:29 as in, Mar 16 19:56:38 hi egaudet_work Mar 16 19:56:48 they probably haven't updated the site to indicate the change but yeah it only messes with rootfs now I believe Mar 16 19:57:02 hi Mar 16 19:57:31 why remove the disclaimer, better safe than sorry. Mar 16 19:58:00 backing up work should never feel tedious. Mar 16 19:58:55 i'm having an awful ammount of trouble with webos Mar 16 19:59:01 like what Mar 16 19:59:02 (since i installed hundreds of apps) Mar 16 19:59:31 after i doctored, i installed eveyr application through the java quickinstall Mar 16 20:00:02 not 100% sure what has caused the pre to slow down and now fail. Mar 16 20:00:27 must be -a bunch- of things. i am not worried. Mar 16 20:01:35 the quickinstall has bugs too Mar 16 20:02:05 hey psst egaudet Mar 16 20:02:08 hey Mar 16 20:02:11 ping rwhitby Mar 16 20:02:27 how do i auto-install apps on arrival Mar 16 20:02:31 from preware. Mar 16 20:02:37 webOS™ Doctor for Palm® Pre™ (p100eww) for Sprint - Build Sprint.170.220, webOS 1.3.5.1 Mar 16 20:02:38 boooo Mar 16 20:02:42 i thought it was 1.4 :/ Mar 16 20:04:27 http://goo.gl/y96J Mar 16 20:04:31 nvm. Mar 16 20:04:52 i need to run that Mar 16 20:05:01 how come? Mar 16 20:05:11 i had 1.3.5.1 on my one i just got from sprint and went to 1.4, no patches nothing Mar 16 20:05:19 and my background pic doesn't show up at all Mar 16 20:05:27 well Mar 16 20:05:42 Synnergy may fail to link contacts. Mar 16 20:05:48 (why the hell hasnt this been fixed) Mar 16 20:05:52 my contacts are on an exchange account Mar 16 20:06:00 like it had the default wall paper, i upgraded to 1.4 Mar 16 20:06:07 and now it's black and setting the wallpaper does nothing Mar 16 20:07:13 mm Mar 16 20:08:01 hmmph Mar 16 20:08:25 i have no icons :P Mar 16 20:08:31 ninja-pre Mar 16 20:09:16 no icons? I had it too just an hour ago Mar 16 20:09:26 make a reset, and they are back Mar 16 20:09:42 yea Mar 16 20:09:42 hi JayCanuck Mar 16 20:09:43 hi all Mar 16 20:09:47 still none :P Mar 16 20:09:56 its cool though Mar 16 20:10:15 its simply the best phone out there. Mar 16 20:10:26 1) its not an iphone Mar 16 20:10:37 2) its tough as a nextel Mar 16 20:11:13 3) its not an iphone Mar 16 20:11:19 ;] Mar 16 20:12:12 hey jaycanuck Mar 16 20:12:38 hi swisstomcat Mar 16 20:12:45 welcome! Mar 16 20:13:02 its intresting to see /var/log/messages* Mar 16 20:16:03 sampson: same thing happened to me before, but along with other issues that required me to doctor + full erase it Mar 16 20:18:02 OK twice today I have pressed power button to turn on screen, screen lock shows clock 3:17 (for example), clock goes _backwards_ to 3:16 Mar 16 20:18:33 just now, it showed 3:17, then 3:16, then 3:17 all before the screen tirned off again Mar 16 20:18:50 first time I thought I was seeing things, now I'm sure Mar 16 20:20:48 time traveler! Mar 16 20:23:25 and now doctor isn't seeing the damn phone :| Mar 16 20:23:27 i hate windows Mar 16 20:23:54 egaudet_work: hmm, that would explain the behavior Mar 16 20:25:26 hehe Mar 16 20:25:33 sampson its prolly novacom service Mar 16 20:25:44 or that other NDIS service Mar 16 20:25:59 that's what i thought but novacom is started Mar 16 20:26:14 anyone know what /etc/udev/mount.blacklist is used for? Mar 16 20:26:24 probably to not mount drives Mar 16 20:26:27 like in osx Mar 16 20:26:41 k Mar 16 20:26:43 ty Mar 16 20:27:48 hmm Mar 16 20:27:49 nuke it Mar 16 20:27:54 etc.. Mar 16 20:28:05 *shrug* its one of those things u know Mar 16 20:29:02 like Mar 16 20:29:11 looking at 10MBs of POWERD messagesx in Mar 16 20:29:59 nuke what? Mar 16 20:32:02 the novacom service Mar 16 20:33:53 just unsure why we cant link contacts automatically Mar 16 20:35:16 Why is there someone always saying 'move android on the pre' Mar 16 20:35:28 because their retarted? Mar 16 20:41:18 Line of the day by Mr halfhalo_T400_ Mar 16 20:41:42 anyone know what "fatal ipkg configuration failure undefined" means? Mar 16 20:42:02 is there more errors involved Mar 16 20:42:12 it's when I try and run preware Mar 16 20:42:32 I've installed it properly but it just doesn't seem to work Mar 16 20:42:37 I've tried every install method possible Mar 16 20:42:46 how about the terminal method? Mar 16 20:42:49 yes Mar 16 20:42:52 the windows installer method? Mar 16 20:42:56 you mean connecting to the root Mar 16 20:43:11 doing a wget and then running the sh command? Mar 16 20:43:13 Yeah, just use the command line interface Mar 16 20:43:20 yep, tried that Mar 16 20:43:20 Yea youve done that too Mar 16 20:43:25 it installs fine Mar 16 20:43:34 it's when I actually try and launch Preware Mar 16 20:43:39 hello and i am newbie here and webos... i am looking to build on-screen keyboard for other languages... where can i look at original on screen keyboard project source code? Mar 16 20:43:44 hold the orange button, click preware Mar 16 20:43:48 what version does it say Mar 16 20:43:54 one sec let me try Mar 16 20:44:28 says like v.9.12 or somthing? Mar 16 20:44:50 the version I installed was like version 9.4 Mar 16 20:44:53 but let me check Mar 16 20:44:57 one sec Mar 16 20:45:18 ok Mar 16 20:45:25 well none the less, try deleting Mar 16 20:45:34 and reinstalling with the preware-bootstrap.sh script Mar 16 20:45:44 DNiCe: are you looking to accomplish that via creating a theme for the existing VKB patch? Mar 16 20:46:27 yes Mar 16 20:46:31 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Virtual_Keyboard_Configuration Mar 16 20:46:38 Check the "Creating keyboard themes" section Mar 16 20:47:28 oc80z: how do I delete? Mar 16 20:47:31 egaudet_work thoughts on the 600/720/800 overclock thread on precentral? Mar 16 20:48:03 DNiCe: you may also find relevant information here http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/217491-virtual-keyboard-cyrillic-any-other-non-official-lay-outs.html Mar 16 20:48:10 oc80z: which thread? Mar 16 20:50:47 ahh Mar 16 20:51:32 http://goo.gl/O1ks Mar 16 20:52:10 I hope Palm borrows or adapts that justinput thing for Asian language inputs.That is the only thing I miss from my old Treo right now. Mar 16 20:53:52 oc80z: it's version 9.3 Mar 16 20:54:57 that's the latest version right? Mar 16 20:56:02 oc80z: so you mean choose delete once I have pressed the orange button? Then do wget and run the sh command on preware-bootstrap as per instructions? Mar 16 20:56:50 back! Mar 16 20:57:44 Yeah i would try that Mar 16 20:58:02 removing and reinstalling would be the best thing to do. Mar 16 20:58:13 there has been a lot of preware+package manager updates Mar 16 20:58:20 and which link do you suggest for the command line install? Mar 16 20:58:38 ah let me get that real quick Mar 16 20:58:39 weird Mar 16 20:58:44 couldn't get it to work at all in osx either Mar 16 20:58:48 put it in developer mode and BAM!! Mar 16 20:59:02 cd /tmp Mar 16 20:59:02 wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap Mar 16 20:59:02 sh preware-bootstrap Mar 16 20:59:13 yep that's what I did but I'll try it again Mar 16 20:59:21 well ifelse, Mar 16 20:59:24 by "uninstall" you mean press delete when it comes up Mar 16 20:59:39 there is always http://preware.org .. yeah that is how you would uninstall. Mar 16 20:59:59 I restart after install right? Mar 16 21:00:55 when it asks if I wish to include any Alpha releases what should I say? Mar 16 21:01:00 so Palm implemented the 10 second js cleanup yet provide an API function call that doesn't return right away? Mar 16 21:02:05 oc80z: if you want a voip account or telephone number let me know. Thanks. Mar 16 21:02:51 tanaks yeah alpha is OK Mar 16 21:02:59 ok, I'm rebooting now Mar 16 21:03:09 ..it would keep you up2date as much as possible. Mar 16 21:03:24 I typed reboot from command line Mar 16 21:04:08 nice. Mar 16 21:04:11 same problem Mar 16 21:04:22 "fatal ipkg configure failure undefined" Mar 16 21:04:40 it says "downloading feed information" and straight after that it reports that error Mar 16 21:04:51 which must be the package maneger Mar 16 21:04:59 I press ok it goes to package updates page but it's all greyed out Mar 16 21:05:14 can you uninstall the pkg manager? Mar 16 21:05:19 tanaks: ls /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg Mar 16 21:05:20 how? Mar 16 21:05:50 have you installed anythign with the ipkg or ipkg-opt command? Mar 16 21:06:09 nope Mar 16 21:06:22 ong Mar 16 21:06:24 omg Mar 16 21:06:37 there is a sorrority house across the street from me Mar 16 21:06:59 with hotties sports bras on the patio Mar 16 21:07:00 mmmm Mar 16 21:09:21 pics! pics! Mar 16 21:09:31 get off of irc then and go over there Mar 16 21:09:41 and then... post pics Mar 16 21:09:56 close-ups Mar 16 21:10:05 scratch that stay ON irc and go over there Mar 16 21:10:50 tanaks any luck? Mar 16 21:11:21 tanaks: what is the output of ls /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg Mar 16 21:14:02 dum dum dumdum Mar 16 21:16:51 off topic but... http://i.imgur.com/0IYrB.jpg Mar 16 21:17:44 seems like the pre wants to go in to usb mode and freeze :| Mar 16 21:17:56 cmon doctor. we need adrenaline, stat! Mar 16 21:19:19 hi Mar 16 21:19:37 told you i mangled it Mar 16 21:20:08 just replaced my front storm door with a screen door Mar 16 21:20:18 ive seen this nice unreal 3 game from the GDC on youtube. can i download this game? is the engine also running on the palm pre? Mar 16 21:20:25 now i can bump the beats and chill on my front porch like a monkey Mar 16 21:20:35 guess i can try the WebOS Repair Utility 2.01 Mar 16 21:20:58 PuffTheMagic just remember to stay on the phone. Mar 16 21:21:01 :D Mar 16 21:21:25 u should be the first one to throw the party nheh Mar 16 21:21:34 :D Mar 16 21:21:43 huhu? Mar 16 21:21:54 could do a walk my like im on the phone and record Mar 16 21:22:02 although they just saw me walk in that direction Mar 16 21:22:04 and back Mar 16 21:22:17 with a case of noble pills and 4 dutchies Mar 16 21:22:19 that my friend, is being big brother. Mar 16 21:22:35 rather, a dope, big brother. Mar 16 21:23:02 i pull that shot/tape on law enforcment,.. Mar 16 21:23:05 nobody knows it? Mar 16 21:23:51 eg, posted a cop leaning against a tree with bicycle gear , eating a donut on his cellphone, facing the donut shop.. Mar 16 21:24:16 or the semi-illigitimate search+seisures that go on in boston/newyork subway systems. Mar 16 21:25:17 so whats up, where's the matchbox port/ Mar 16 21:25:18 ? Mar 16 21:25:23 flick precorder on, pretend im on a phone call in my own world,.. recording someone gettign harrassed by police.. Mar 16 21:26:03 karotte_exe was on a funny ip Mar 16 21:26:54 i have a 89.46.x.x/24 scope Mar 16 21:28:23 ..but too bad its romanian, not deutchland Mar 16 21:28:51 Deutschland, with 's' Mar 16 21:31:12 oc80z: kartote_exe is using o2 germany... they don't have reverse lookup, hell knows why Mar 16 21:31:13 Ja, so heißt das Land hier (yes, this is how germany is written in german) Mar 16 21:31:26 * dthought stimmt muhgatus zu Mar 16 21:31:56 * dthought is wondering how one gehts those gateway/web/freenode/x-.... hosts? Mar 16 21:32:57 dthought: go to the webos internals wiki an click on the irc link on the front page, or its because i have a vdsl line :) Mar 16 21:33:22 ah, its the web/ajax/whatever client? Mar 16 21:33:35 yeah Mar 16 21:33:36 dBsooner: syn|ack Mar 16 21:35:53 dthought: a little bit to lazy to configure my irssi to go into the ircnet and freenode right now;) Mar 16 21:36:23 * dthought got this irssi always on... freenode was just a 2nd server Mar 16 21:37:29 morning rwhitby Mar 16 21:37:32 omg cars just keep showing up Mar 16 21:37:37 and out come ass shorts Mar 16 21:37:40 and legs Mar 16 21:38:10 thank you nice weather Mar 16 21:45:59 i need to build my adarondak chair Mar 16 21:50:20 * rwhitby bbl Mar 16 21:57:37 class is tiring Mar 16 22:06:21 damn.. that pic of palin kicked me offline. :/ Mar 16 22:07:07 lol Mar 16 22:07:35 :) Mar 16 22:28:05 Can someone verify 'pacmd' gives a bogus error about the PulseAudio daemon process not running? Mar 16 22:30:08 * oilsworkn confirms Mar 16 22:31:49 well, idk if the error is bogus, but it does happen Mar 16 22:31:51 :) Mar 16 22:34:06 oilsworkn: pacmd.c includes pid.c and pid.h, and they are pretty simple algo's to grab file definitions.. it just checks for 'pulseaudio', and clearly if you ps -e | grep pulseaudio , it exists Mar 16 22:34:10 so somewhere there is a disconnect Mar 16 22:34:26 * oc80z 2nd reboot after doctoring Mar 16 22:36:09 so, pygame compiled without errors. how do i make an ipkg from the compiled libs and python files? Mar 16 22:38:12 * oilsworkn was going to make snarky reply, but decided against it Mar 16 22:38:29 i don't know anything about how you should package it Mar 16 22:38:38 i think rwhitby is the packaging guy :) Mar 16 22:39:41 ok. i'll try google. Mar 16 22:39:44 muhgatus: what we usually do is put a repo up at git.webos-internals.org, then add a Makefile to the preware/build.git repo for the autobuilder to package and distribute your app via the webos-internals feed in Preware. Mar 16 22:40:42 so the whole preware submission site thing kinda went by hte wayside didn't it? Mar 16 22:41:03 rwhitby: ok. but i should test it first. perhaps a can make an egg package and transfer is to my pre :) Mar 16 22:41:30 muhgatus: we have a testing feed specifically for that Mar 16 22:41:31 s/s a c/a i c/ Mar 16 22:41:33 muhgatus meant: rwhitby: ok. but i should test it first. perhapa i can make an egg package and transfer is to my pre :) Mar 16 22:41:35 muhgatus: you can git pull preware/build.git and use the 'make package' command to make an ipkg locally if you like Mar 16 22:41:55 muhgatus: or do what rwhitby suggests, put it in the testing feed, and let the preware devs play with it :> Mar 16 22:42:08 ok. Mar 16 22:42:18 * oilsworkn votes 2nd option Mar 16 22:42:36 zsoc: yo Mar 16 22:42:45 * zsoc is unsure what he would do with pygame, but knows Puff would like it :p Mar 16 22:42:46 PuffTheMagic: wat Mar 16 22:42:50 zsoc: i must pick a monitor tonight Mar 16 22:42:57 muhgatus: clone http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=tree, add a Makefile to nonworking/pygame/Makefile, and hit "make package" Mar 16 22:42:58 PuffTheMagic: ... so? pick a monitor? Mar 16 22:43:03 samsung 2343bwx Mar 16 22:43:06 zsoc: i need more input Mar 16 22:43:06 * oilsworkn looks up monitor he ordered Mar 16 22:43:25 acer h233x Mar 16 22:43:29 PuffTheMagic: Last night I gave you all the input I have, unless you would like to hire me as your personal monitor purchasing consultant, then I can make up more bs info Mar 16 22:43:29 muhgatus: let me know if you'd like a pygame repo on git.webos-internals.org Mar 16 22:43:45 halfhalo_T400: that has no hdml Mar 16 22:43:53 psha Mar 16 22:43:54 acydlord: i think i saw an acer that looked today Mar 16 22:44:01 dvi<-> hdmi Mar 16 22:44:24 S243HL Mar 16 22:44:34 halfhalo_T400: hdcp? Mar 16 22:44:41 rwhitby: thx. if it works, i'll let you know :) Mar 16 22:44:42 zsoc: checkout acer S243HL Mar 16 22:44:44 works Mar 16 22:45:14 that or the asus Mar 16 22:45:15 i picked up an acer last year and been sticking with them since, hdmi, dvi, and vga. and they actually come with the cables for each Mar 16 22:45:27 k266h Mar 16 22:45:31 or k246h Mar 16 22:45:43 acydlord: i have a acer lappy that i love Mar 16 22:45:46 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254043 Mar 16 22:45:52 and i got my dad 2 acer lcd'sback inbt he day Mar 16 22:45:52 I wonder if dell still has that monitor on sale... Mar 16 22:46:08 PuffTheMagic, by some weird will of the internet gods all my current in use computers are acer Mar 16 22:46:42 I like acer lcds Mar 16 22:46:44 acer has the best bang to buck ratio on their products i've decided Mar 16 22:46:52 mine has carbon fiber :D Mar 16 22:46:57 PuffTheMagic, yeah Mar 16 22:47:00 Acer is the second largest assembler of anything computers these days Mar 16 22:47:04 mine is aluminium Mar 16 22:47:20 acer is actually the #1 selling computer company worldwide Mar 16 22:47:52 yeah they just arent popular in the us for some reason Mar 16 22:47:56 they dont advertise here Mar 16 22:47:58 hardly see them Mar 16 22:48:00 http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-7641 Mar 16 22:48:00 They are very popular in the USA Mar 16 22:48:04 except as business machines Mar 16 22:48:09 zsoc: hell no they arent Mar 16 22:48:10 they had a bad run here in the 90s Mar 16 22:48:12 PuffTheMagic: Acer has sold more netbooks in america than any other company Mar 16 22:48:20 acydlord: yeah i remember those acers Mar 16 22:48:32 thats when i laughed at the name acer Mar 16 22:48:38 PuffTheMagic: Besides, people come around when they are like "Who is Acer" and you are like "They bought Gateway". "Oh." Mar 16 22:48:46 same here puff, thats when i was using HP Mar 16 22:49:03 my work pc has 2 acers Mar 16 22:49:04 honestly, the rebranded gateways look much better than the acers Mar 16 22:49:07 they bought gateway and a few others Mar 16 22:49:13 half, some do Mar 16 22:49:18 They bought packard bell Mar 16 22:49:29 i love my 5degree curved keyboard on my acer travelmate Mar 16 22:49:32 acydlord: It was funny, gateway actually didn't even exist, someone else already bought gateway, and then went under, so Acer got a steal for everything, including the name Mar 16 22:49:33 i miss that on the mac now Mar 16 22:49:39 i was so much nicer Mar 16 22:49:51 yeah, they currently have gateway, packard bell, and emachines Mar 16 22:50:03 emachines? eww Mar 16 22:50:15 While my little AS1410 netbook is nice, I just can't use it Mar 16 22:50:17 they only sell under emachines in asia Mar 16 22:50:25 that name got ruined in the states lol Mar 16 22:50:31 PuffTheMagic: go reassure me that the research I have done in #precorder is cool Mar 16 22:50:44 PuffTheMagic: Check out this monitor: http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-7641 Mar 16 22:51:02 zsoc: i cant confirm that shit just yet Mar 16 22:51:18 PuffTheMagic: but if you tell me it's cool i will feel better about myself Mar 16 22:51:31 halfhalo_T400: that resolution is completely unreasonable Mar 16 22:51:33 ooh dual xga Mar 16 22:51:35 NICE Mar 16 22:51:40 I LOVE it Mar 16 22:51:44 PuffTheMagic: and it have that webcam you wanted Mar 16 22:51:48 and hdmi Mar 16 22:51:52 2mp, so the girls can see your rippling muscles Mar 16 22:51:54 oh word Mar 16 22:51:55 nice Mar 16 22:51:59 i think that takes the case Mar 16 22:52:01 cake Mar 16 22:52:08 I would have picked the dell over my sammy when I bought it but the dell has a hundred more Mar 16 22:52:09 do they have a bigger one? Mar 16 22:52:13 No Mar 16 22:52:18 23 is ok Mar 16 22:52:23 They only make that res in 23" Mar 16 22:52:29 that looks so hot Mar 16 22:52:43 the acer, dell, and samsung models with that res all use the same panels Mar 16 22:52:54 trust me, I'm a doctor. Mar 16 22:53:10 what panel type is that Mar 16 22:53:18 its a TN Mar 16 22:53:22 a nice TN, though Mar 16 22:53:32 i have to say, out of all 8 monitors in eye-sight at this moment Mar 16 22:53:32 the samsung has the best picture Mar 16 22:53:35 i wonder if my macbook can even power that beast Mar 16 22:53:43 and by doctor, I mean I'm a mod on notebookreview.com and desktopreview.com Mar 16 22:53:49 what video card? Mar 16 22:53:57 ummm Mar 16 22:54:18 no lspci on mac huh Mar 16 22:54:27 as long as its not the gma950, it should be fine Mar 16 22:54:43 look in system properties in about this mac Mar 16 22:55:17 oh its the same as my acer Mar 16 22:55:20 should have know Mar 16 22:55:25 dont think it can do it Mar 16 22:55:34 its an r500 radeon Mar 16 22:55:40 idk, emachines was probably a good buy Mar 16 22:55:42 r5xx Mar 16 22:55:44 x1600 Mar 16 22:55:45 they never become obsolete Mar 16 22:55:46 I have powered if off of my x4500mhd and my ati 3470hd on my T400, and my 9400m in the mini, and 9800gtx+ on desktop Mar 16 22:55:54 the x1600 will be fine Mar 16 22:56:29 its close enough to 1200p that even single link dvi can power it sometimes as well Mar 16 22:56:43 hell, the minis connected via vga to mine Mar 16 23:01:31 I'm re-writing my app. Which SUCKS Mar 16 23:01:32 whoa it has a usb hub too Mar 16 23:01:34 holy shit Mar 16 23:01:35 but needs to be done Mar 16 23:01:41 this dell is def the one Mar 16 23:02:08 halfhalo_T400: what app? Mar 16 23:02:16 steamFriends Mar 16 23:02:19 halfhalo_T400: thankyou!!!!! Mar 16 23:02:41 and I'm thinking that my prePages app is not going to happen due to whitepages being a bitch Mar 16 23:03:05 halfhalo_T400: good work Mar 16 23:03:45 a usb hub? amazing! Mar 16 23:04:08 its just got a lot of features Mar 16 23:04:19 oilsworkn: what sammy where you talking about? Mar 16 23:04:25 idk Mar 16 23:04:39 it looks the best out of all the crappy monitors here at work Mar 16 23:04:49 lol Mar 16 23:04:55 no fancy usb hub built in though Mar 16 23:05:05 though you could hack a usb hub to it with some ductape Mar 16 23:05:06 This is silly question.... if I create a user 'dude', and I make a new group, 'sillyapp', and I add 'dude' to group 'sillyapp', but I don't add 'root' to group 'sillyapp', is it possible root will not be able to access all the applications functions, but 'dude' can? Mar 16 23:05:48 who posted that hans Mar 16 23:05:56 * oilsworkn did Mar 16 23:05:59 thats what i got at home Mar 16 23:06:04 oilsworkn: i sorta wana a cam though Mar 16 23:06:05 between two xerox's Mar 16 23:06:43 its not hte best build quality Mar 16 23:06:48 and the buttons are in a weird slot Mar 16 23:06:53 s/slot/spot/ Mar 16 23:06:54 oilsworkn meant: and the buttons are in a weird spot Mar 16 23:06:59 but its cheap Mar 16 23:07:00 and big Mar 16 23:07:02 this is so hard!!! Mar 16 23:07:11 holly shit Mar 16 23:07:14 i didnt notice 28" Mar 16 23:07:14 That's what she said Mar 16 23:07:15 haha Mar 16 23:07:26 ZING Mar 16 23:07:38 oilsworkn: bu that is still 1080p Mar 16 23:07:45 dual xga is the hotness Mar 16 23:07:54 * oilsworkn really doesn't care Mar 16 23:07:58 it shows a big picture Mar 16 23:08:08 and is only $300 Mar 16 23:08:25 the dell is 220 Mar 16 23:08:33 is it 28inches though? Mar 16 23:08:37 no Mar 16 23:08:41 well then Mar 16 23:08:44 xD Mar 16 23:08:48 lol Mar 16 23:08:54 actually, don't pick any monitor i suggested Mar 16 23:09:01 if it breaks or is faulty, i dont want you to hate me Mar 16 23:09:06 halfhalo_T400: so u said the sammy was better picture? Mar 16 23:09:09 hate on halfhalo_T400 Mar 16 23:09:14 he's got good suggestions Mar 16 23:09:22 the dell, samsung, and acer models with that res all use the same panel Mar 16 23:09:43 oh, the yard dogs are goin crazy Mar 16 23:09:49 so they will all look the same Mar 16 23:10:42 which acer there are a shit load of them Mar 16 23:10:56 I don't have a link Mar 16 23:11:02 wtf Mar 16 23:11:07 but its pricier than the dell but with less features Mar 16 23:11:25 So you guys found the video output pads on the Pre PCB and are discussing which monitor to hook up to the Pre? Mar 16 23:11:31 found it Mar 16 23:12:27 rwhitby: good one :) Mar 16 23:13:55 video out is right above the usb port Mar 16 23:13:58 rwhitby, ya know if i had a spare pre i'd actually do that Mar 16 23:14:01 hdmi out Mar 16 23:14:04 lol Mar 16 23:14:09 it is Mar 16 23:14:12 on beagle board Mar 16 23:14:12 i think Mar 16 23:14:53 i still have a beagleboard sample kit they sent me awhile back i never did anything with =/ Mar 16 23:15:04 wth Mar 16 23:17:32 oh, rwhitby is to 3 little square things on precentral now? Mar 16 23:18:04 that silly guy, with his email thing Mar 16 23:18:22 i have that happen everytime preware does a rescan Mar 16 23:19:05 oilsworkn: don't mistake quantity of posts for quality of posts :-) Mar 16 23:19:49 what are you saying, you have a lot of crappy posts? Mar 16 23:19:59 i thought they were all nuggets of gold? Mar 16 23:38:27 halfhalo_T400: cnet rates that dell pretty poorly Mar 16 23:38:41 oh nm Mar 16 23:38:45 that was energy rating Mar 16 23:38:46 which means its good! Mar 16 23:38:51 since cnet=crap Mar 16 23:41:22 oh Mar 16 23:42:00 Heh Mar 16 23:44:29 cnet wears the money hats Mar 16 23:44:35 yup Mar 16 23:44:48 * halfhalo_T400 wants a money hat Mar 16 23:45:18 no you don't Mar 16 23:45:26 selling your soul gets old pretty quickly Mar 16 23:45:37 meh Mar 16 23:45:43 already sold it for a coke Mar 16 23:46:15 I just finished rebulding my friends list scene to be faster Mar 16 23:48:34 sup Mar 16 23:49:11 monkeys Mar 16 23:49:16 monkeys are what is up Mar 16 23:51:50 hmmm Mar 16 23:51:59 I also simplified my number of scenes Mar 16 23:52:19 Since before I had one for ingame, offline, online, private Mar 16 23:52:23 when I need only 2 Mar 16 23:52:28 public and private Mar 16 23:58:51 devmode->preware->terminal->optware-bootstrap-linux.sh Mar 16 23:59:04 the linux apps available in preware... Mar 17 00:00:47 oc80z: quicker is devmode->preware->optware command line installer->terminal->run ipkg-opt Mar 17 00:01:56 hmmph Mar 17 00:02:09 yeah you mentioned that to me eons ago Mar 17 00:03:22 yet the optware-boostrap-linux.sh will install dropbear and all the scripts Mar 17 00:03:35 (yeah dropbear and the other stuff is in preware too) Mar 17 00:03:45 Hrm.. Mar 17 00:04:40 * muhgatus is known as muh Mar 17 00:05:56 quick question guys: how do you do a full wipe of the pre Mar 17 00:07:50 reset options in device info I believe Mar 17 00:08:13 angel12: backup all data, full erase, webOS Doctor. Mar 17 00:08:21 muh: key added Mar 17 00:08:35 rwhitby, thank you. Mar 17 00:08:36 duh, thanks guys ;) Mar 17 00:13:39 oc80z: optware bootstrap script is obsolete. just install the package you want from Preware, and then follow the directions on the wiki homepage link for the package to set up ssh keys Mar 17 00:14:07 muh: did you do the python bindings for libg15daemon_client ? Mar 17 00:15:21 ok Mar 17 00:17:02 rwhitby, i did the first version. i dont know if some ob my code is still alive in the project. Mar 17 00:32:30 Interesting, the Pre sends an SMS to phone number 42975 when you sign into your palm profile in first use. Mar 17 00:32:57 including an auth token, and your meid Mar 17 00:33:25 could it be how palm registers your profile to a pre? Mar 17 00:33:46 Wouldn't it be a lot easier to do it via data? Mar 17 00:34:31 it would, but what if palm didn't want it spoofed or caught or something like that? Mar 17 00:34:48 Hmmm... Mar 17 00:34:56 if you think about it though, it's also less data Mar 17 00:35:09 as sms would already include your phone number Mar 17 00:35:12 call 106 com.palm.accountservices com.palm.messaging /sms/sendSMSNoDBSave «string=“{"messageText":"PALMPRD VPHONE-JXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX;MEID:XXXXXXXXXXXXXX","address":"42975"}†Mar 17 00:35:41 whats the first set of XX's? Mar 17 00:35:54 deviceid? Mar 17 00:36:05 no, authentication token Mar 17 00:36:28 * zsoc sends random text messages to 42975 Mar 17 00:36:47 ahh Mar 17 00:36:48 right Mar 17 00:36:50 zsoc: that's a pretty long string to hope you get right :-) Mar 17 00:37:12 Nah, I was going to send something like "zsoc wuz here" Mar 17 00:52:17 wonder if it gets a response text Mar 17 00:52:36 blarg, 2 days till my music is on my zumodrive Mar 17 00:52:37 haha Mar 17 00:52:50 dunno. my meta-doctor'ed Sprint Pre cannot deliver the SMS of course, and cannot get a response either. Mar 17 00:53:05 Signing into an existing Palm Profile works fine Mar 17 00:54:13 rwhitby: so it's just more unnecessary privacy issues? Mar 17 00:54:28 it could be used in new creations though Mar 17 00:54:58 but shouldn't be necessary for anything Mar 17 00:55:14 jacques: mornin' Mar 17 00:55:19 well the data has to get to the profile somehow Mar 17 00:55:30 I wonder if its an sms so that they know it gets there, IE if during the sign in stage the phone loses data Mar 17 00:55:36 howdy zsoc Mar 17 00:55:42 sorta like a redundancy feature Mar 17 00:55:49 zsoc: what privacy issue? you're either creating or signing into a palm profile, sending the auth token and the meid is perfectly reasonable to do either of those things Mar 17 00:56:18 * rwhitby bbl Mar 17 00:56:24 rwhitby: i don't know, just seems creepy. Mar 17 00:56:33 * zsoc checks to make sure his rxdx is still disabled Mar 17 00:58:04 rxdc doesn't do anything but tell us when our own services explode, and is used extensively to fix issues. I understand you want to throw on your tinfoil hat, but this isn't the privacy crushing service you're looking for Mar 17 00:58:45 chrisa, thats not a good analogy considering those were the droids they were looking for :p Mar 17 00:59:04 chrisa: if it makes any difference, it was actually a jest, I don't have it disabled :p Mar 17 01:00:30 Now uploadd, that's the funny one. Every minute we turn the camera on to make sure your operating environment is optimal and send back a 20 second video clip with accelerometer data for "test" purposes Mar 17 01:00:39 (ok not really) Mar 17 01:00:50 chrisa: nah, preware does that Mar 17 01:01:06 lol Mar 17 01:01:07 Maybe I should put on pants then Mar 17 01:01:08 good times, good times Mar 17 01:02:14 zsoc, i knew it was a good idea to keep my pre taped to my scrotum Mar 17 01:05:18 heh Mar 17 01:09:15 chrisa: and out of curiosity, how is gps location necessary to debug webos issues? Mar 17 01:10:33 I don't know, I don't touch webos. My assumption is it's related to seeing if a lot of devices in an area are experiencing the same issue Mar 17 01:15:52 is there any effort of getting android running on the pre at all Mar 17 01:16:12 sampson: explain to me why one would want to, please? Mar 17 01:16:22 chrisa: you're probably right, I guess that makes sense Mar 17 01:16:22 idk options Mar 17 01:17:02 sampson: android runs on the omap, so it's probably possible Mar 17 01:17:13 But I have no idea if it supports all the various pieces Mar 17 01:17:19 chrisa: iphone os runs on the omap too :P Mar 17 01:17:41 zsoc: but iphone os isn't open source, so you couldn't resolve potential issues as easily Mar 17 01:18:01 dtzWill: shhh, i'm trying to make ridiculous arguments to stop people from porting android Mar 17 01:18:10 so really only thing stopping android is someone skilled/motivated enough to do it, and who thinks this is important/cool/interesting enough to do it. Mar 17 01:18:13 dtzWill: if palm fails/goes under, THEN I'll port android. but in the mean time.. i own stock :p Mar 17 01:18:22 I guess you could split that into two parties, one paying the other :) Mar 17 01:18:27 * halfhalo_T400 goes to short the stock Mar 17 01:18:40 halfhalo_T400: I just bought it at 5.5, so shorting is tough :p Mar 17 01:18:45 Can't short it much more than right now... Mar 17 01:19:04 android isn't open source either, the "free" source you can download isn't what comes installed on the phones Mar 17 01:19:06 chrisa: YOU should be buying it :p Mar 17 01:19:07 i don't see how that would hurt palm, frankly. it'd never work well enough to be mainstream, and people buy the devices for webos anyway Mar 17 01:19:09 When have little things like facts ever stopped me? Mar 17 01:19:12 * zsoc encourages eggs to be in one basket Mar 17 01:19:20 and if you build it from the free source, it is missing all sorts of stuff Mar 17 01:19:23 hmm, has someone actually ported iPhone OS to OMAP in terms of bringing up mach on it, or has something more happened there? Mar 17 01:19:46 at least this was the case last year when i had a g1 Mar 17 01:19:56 epv: i thought you could still have a rather functional device, just not complete. I haven't tried it myself though :/ Mar 17 01:20:10 i did, it was a huge pain in the ass, and lots of stuff didn't work :) Mar 17 01:20:13 I'm really hoping for a new webos device soon Mar 17 01:20:20 it looks like a headache Mar 17 01:20:25 I just like new stuff Mar 17 01:20:53 epv: :( that's unfortunate. then... grrr what's the point of open-sourcing it? lol. I mean besides being legally bound to do so, they do preach the whole "we're open source!!oneone" "open platform" business :( Mar 17 01:21:02 haha Mar 17 01:21:11 yeah well. Mar 17 01:21:17 it probably sounds nice in PR materials Mar 17 01:21:18 yeah well that's wrong apparently :) Mar 17 01:21:44 it looks like android has a backwards security model and it would require a new framebuffer driver Mar 17 01:21:46 some friends at goog claim the "open" tree and the "real" tree are converging somewhat but i haven't touched it in a year Mar 17 01:22:07 unlikely Mar 17 01:22:19 they removed all of android's code from the staging kernel because it was unkept Mar 17 01:22:28 they also make fun of me for complaining about it, so whatever :) Mar 17 01:22:40 well why wouldn't you want the nexus one?!?! Mar 17 01:22:46 heh Mar 17 01:22:52 i find it hilarious that android users tote it as the second coming of christ and it's selling worse than the pre Mar 17 01:23:13 sampson: er... android has decent market share Mar 17 01:23:16 the thing that annoyed me with android was that the userland looked like it was made from scratch by a bunch of kids Mar 17 01:23:20 yes it does zsoc Mar 17 01:23:28 but the nexus one specifically is a bum deal Mar 17 01:23:35 whereas webos's linux userland looks like it was actually put together by grownups Mar 17 01:23:40 yeah epv i played with my coworkers g1 Mar 17 01:23:43 by chance is there a patch out that unlocks the screen automatically by pressing the "pearl" button? Mar 17 01:23:56 Flashpass: neg Mar 17 01:24:03 today I was doing some stuff on a dev g1 and it made me REALLY miss my pre's shell/env/etc Mar 17 01:24:20 sampson: darn, thanks Mar 17 01:24:28 surely they must have connected the button to an i/o line that can trigger an interrupt :) Mar 17 01:25:05 well it would be a silly patch because pre plus users would unlock it just by putting it in their pocket Mar 17 01:25:25 well it wouldn't be for pre plus users haha Mar 17 01:25:49 Its much easier to push that button than hit the power on top and slide lock up when i'm ni my car, for example Mar 17 01:26:02 slide the phone open Mar 17 01:26:04 that unlocks it Mar 17 01:26:13 epv: btw I don't remember how far you got building X (I think you built the binary?) but preware testing feed has the xsdlgl (renders significantly faster) on it, along with some xkb stuff to make the keyboard work Mar 17 01:26:14 do the electric slide Mar 17 01:26:16 that unlocks it too Mar 17 01:26:16 fun tip: to unlock you can do a quick vertical swipe rather than dragging the lock Mar 17 01:26:25 epv: if you were still interested or whatever it's there to play with :) Mar 17 01:27:28 dtzwill: oh cool, yay. I got it to build all the way and installed xterm and twm and other random crap and played with it a bunch Mar 17 01:27:34 and ran remote clients from my laptop, etc Mar 17 01:27:35 right, but opening and closing the phone is still lame, as is hitting the power button and doing a vertical swipe - its just one of those would-be-nice things i guess ;) Mar 17 01:27:52 i should enable the preware testing feed Mar 17 01:28:20 epv: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds if you didn't have it handy Mar 17 01:28:56 epv: good to hear you had fun with it :D. hehe. one thing is the startup script 'start.sh' in the application directroy by default does a -nolisten tcp, which looking back it probably shouldn't Mar 17 01:29:06 i was under the impression that prevented it from listening on a public interface, but still listened locally Mar 17 01:29:18 eh that's what all the distributions do now anyway Mar 17 01:29:24 probably safer in general Mar 17 01:29:45 epv: oh is it? maybe i'm not crazy. so DISPLAY=:0.0 should still work then? I didn't look at it more tbh, been busy trying to make the server itself faster Mar 17 01:30:20 although at this point seems to be in KAA itself (and lack of ability to accelerate vairous pieces) than in anything I did which is disappointing. other than perhaps implentnign GLX eventually I don't see it getting better/faster Mar 17 01:30:20 yeah, DISPLAY=:0.0 should work but DISPLAY=localhost:0.0, for instance, wouldn't Mar 17 01:30:35 epv: ah, yeah. that must be what I tried since I was in a debian chroot. thanks Mar 17 01:31:44 i think -nolisten means the unix domain socket only Mar 17 01:32:30 epv: ah yeah. good, that's what I meant then. myself and some friends are porting over various things like icewm, hopefully we can stage+package those in the not too distant future. oh and matchbox which seems to work well on the device Mar 17 01:32:52 the hard part is things that require multiple buttons, etc Mar 17 01:33:02 epv: ? Mar 17 01:33:23 i mean, using window managers that require right clicking, etc. did i miss a way to do that? Mar 17 01:33:50 epv: oh right. but it wouldn't be hard at all to do something like hack gesture+click to be right-click, etc Mar 17 01:33:54 sure Mar 17 01:36:01 epv: but you're right that needs to be done :). that and add some extra mappings for symbols/keys the keyboard doesn't have but are useful, like the terminal applications do Mar 17 01:49:27 dtzwill: yes, definitely. If it were possible to send all the usual unix characters, i'd switch to using X and xterm right now Mar 17 01:50:03 a really fun trick would be to implement enough of XRandR to support flipping orientation :) Mar 17 01:53:07 firefox was pretty amusing but nearly usable on it, it would be funny to go on precentral and post pictures of a pre running firefox and flash, and freak them out Mar 17 01:53:34 there's enough X working to do that? Mar 17 01:53:37 sure Mar 17 01:54:01 i was running firefox on my laptop, not the pre.. it was just displaying on the pre Mar 17 01:54:05 * RagingMind is still wondering when fennec will come Mar 17 01:54:10 AH Mar 17 01:59:20 rwhitby: ping Mar 17 02:08:11 epv: did flash work? i thought it might need randoms extensions. Mar 17 02:08:35 epv: and actually I think I could support enough randr to get orientations working, of course only at the two fixed resolutions native to the screen Mar 17 02:09:01 really we need more than just me, I can't implement all these features, don't have enough time :):). Mar 17 02:09:32 there's RANDR stuff stubbed out there, and I think kdrive supports it, so I think it's a matter of figuring out the interface and making it happen. Mar 17 02:09:57 how is X being implemented? Mar 17 02:10:41 kdrive, modified xsdl port to using sdl for input, sdl-gles for rendering Mar 17 02:10:45 RagingMind: ^^^ Mar 17 02:11:37 RagingMind: yeah fennec would be sweet, but they don't have source available afaict, and the binaries as you might expect don't exactly work :) Mar 17 02:11:48 so... so maybe over simplify is you're making a GL app on it that draws X stuff? Mar 17 02:12:26 RagingMind: sure. by making you mean 'made', it's available in the testing feed now. Mar 17 02:12:52 RagingMind: but it's about as real as any other X server, and could in theory support GLX, XRANDR, and whatever else i/we feel motivated to implement Mar 17 02:13:01 "real" :) Mar 17 02:13:25 actually fennec source is probably available, idk why I thought it wasn't. but regardless it's maemo-ized and would need some work Mar 17 02:14:18 I was trying to figure out what unavailable source you were talking about Mar 17 02:14:48 RagingMind: yeah sorry. probably is completely available. I just know that when I looked into it briefly it didn't look promising, i'd imagine it's just not very portable right now Mar 17 02:15:37 RagingMind: some screenies: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/10265954480 . lxde might be a bit too much, but still worked really well :D Mar 17 02:17:17 I wonder how well the UNR launcher thingy would work Mar 17 02:18:18 RagingMind: matchbox is similar, but a lot lighter and meant for smaller screenes. Mar 17 02:18:36 RagingMind: but i'm also curious about UNR. it seems a bit too heavy, and might be dependent on gnome stuff Mar 17 02:19:28 RagingMind: but certainly we probably want that idea--nice big buttons, much like the pre's launcher itself :) Mar 17 02:19:39 not sure about the dependencies... but I ran UNR for several months Mar 17 02:20:28 *dependencies of the launcher Mar 17 02:20:29 dtzWill: i didn't try flash, actually. all you really need from xrandr would be the horiz and vertical geometries, really Mar 17 02:20:52 cause the desktop itself uses gnome-panel Mar 17 02:21:12 epv: ...oh quite possibly. Mar 17 02:21:36 RagingMind: right, and with our /very/ limited cpu and particularly memory a gnome-based setup is probably not the best Mar 17 02:21:49 but again i'm happy to look into it eventually, it would be nice Mar 17 02:21:51 hehehe gnome would be amusing Mar 17 02:22:01 ooh btw Mar 17 02:22:03 i might have installed kde into my debian chroot and started it Mar 17 02:22:05 maybe Mar 17 02:22:07 not saying Mar 17 02:22:09 >_> <_< Mar 17 02:22:16 hahahha Mar 17 02:22:17 I just remember dumping UNR cause even on my netbook it felt like it was designed for much smaller screen and/or touch screens Mar 17 02:22:26 webos doctor->dev mode->preware.org->terminal-> launch terminal == crash luna Mar 17 02:22:38 terminal doesn't work in 1.4 Mar 17 02:22:47 yup, known issues with terminal atm Mar 17 02:22:49 yep Mar 17 02:22:52 terminus Mar 17 02:22:52 use terminus or something Mar 17 02:22:59 epv: and btw once we get any kinda decent wm, getting this out with a working xterm is pretty high on my list :) Mar 17 02:23:04 oh yes Mar 17 02:23:10 mm real xterm (or rxvt or whatever) Mar 17 02:23:22 dtzWill: i saw x11 in the arm7v Mar 17 02:23:43 I use guake on my netbook... it'd be useful in the tiny x window maybe Mar 17 02:23:55 oc80z: yep. it "just" runs the server for now, so not really useful except to people who are rather familiar with what x is etc Mar 17 02:24:04 so... much... abstraction... Mar 17 02:24:16 xterm right on the root with no wm would be fine too :) Mar 17 02:24:32 that's a good idea actually Mar 17 02:24:35 dtzWill: xterm, go Mar 17 02:24:38 zsoc: you know what's fun? using sdl to render tthings onto X which then uses sdl+gles to draw to luna's buffer which then draws it to the ACTUAL framebuffer Mar 17 02:24:41 ok i'm gonna undo all my gross library links and stuff and install your Xsdlgl package Mar 17 02:24:45 zsoc: even more fun is when in card mode, there's another layer in there :D Mar 17 02:24:53 dtzWill: that's.. wait..no. that shouldn't work. Mar 17 02:25:03 zsoc: of course it does. differnt sdl libraries of course Mar 17 02:25:16 zsoc: "of course", sorry haha Mar 17 02:25:28 zsoc: I mean it did when I tried it. unless I said it wrong and am not being clear :) Mar 17 02:25:30 right, got it Mar 17 02:25:34 no no i got it now :) Mar 17 02:26:05 i just tend to think... slower about these things lol Mar 17 02:26:09 oh wait i just did it with LD_LIBRARY_PATH, i don't need to Mar 17 02:26:57 brb Mar 17 02:28:08 dtzWill that is amazing. Mar 17 02:28:44 epv: if you had anything else on there, like xkbcomp, on your path, you'll want to remove it. the script isn't robust to having multiple versions, and I had to specially build xkbcomp to know where to look for it's stuff Mar 17 02:28:57 epv: if it doesn't start, bug me and we'll sort it out Mar 17 02:29:04 but other than that should just work :D Mar 17 02:29:05 ok, i'll let you know Mar 17 02:29:23 oc80z: ty :D. I'm rather happy with it, we just need to get a good experience built on top of it and shipppp it :) Mar 17 02:30:11 X Window System Server v0.0.4 ? Mar 17 02:33:16 yeah i removed my copy of xkbcomp Mar 17 02:36:30 dtzWill: the package seems to work just fine! Mar 17 02:36:51 epv: yep! yeah there's two in there becuase we renamed the package, and haven't nuked it off the server yet. Mar 17 02:37:23 rwhitby: sorry to keep pinging you, but idk who else can do this. could you pull that package when you get a chance? low-priority for sure :) ^^^^^^^^^ Mar 17 02:37:42 epv: glad it works :D Mar 17 02:38:03 oh yay you got control working Mar 17 02:38:03 epv: i should've had you try it, but things like just dragging your finger around have noticeably much less lag in the xsdlgl version Mar 17 02:38:12 yeah i noticed that Mar 17 02:38:15 it seems very fast Mar 17 02:38:18 epv: yep. orange/@ are still switched, fwiw. didn't look into that yet. Mar 17 02:38:24 scrolling text in xterm is really quick too Mar 17 02:38:54 epv: give me Mar 17 02:38:56 do it now Mar 17 02:38:56 epv: yeah and it is now double buffered? (or triple? not completely sure about how that's handled), point is at least double. so shouldn't tear anymore either Mar 17 02:39:04 zsoc: ipkg-opt install xterm Mar 17 02:39:07 zsoc: lol :D Mar 17 02:39:24 bow chikka wow wow? Mar 17 02:39:53 hello Mar 17 02:39:56 * zsoc blinks loudly Mar 17 02:40:11 HELLOOOOOOOOOOOO THAR! Mar 17 02:40:22 Does anyone here know how to setup the Facebook chat through Messaging app using Jason's patch? Mar 17 02:40:35 zsoc: really what's keeping us from /shipping/ xterm is: repackaging xterm into preware (and dep's), and getting any window manager that can make xterm render fullscreen lol. Mar 17 02:40:37 is this the right place to find out about custom file type association Mar 17 02:40:48 isn't there like an article about FB on the front of PC or something? Mar 17 02:41:05 huh, did you fix the segfault when the last client exits? Mar 17 02:41:14 i just started an xterm and killed it and the server stayed up Mar 17 02:41:27 epv: oh yeah. -noreset does that :D. it's in the startup script Mar 17 02:41:33 haha oh Mar 17 02:42:00 dtzWill: both of those shouldn't be terribly hard Mar 17 02:42:07 dtzWill: what about fluxbox for the second? Mar 17 02:42:10 epv: since for now the app /is/ the server, it seemed useful to make it stay up until killed. also it's important because this lets the script run xkbcomp to set the keymapping without running the 'primarry' client, etc Mar 17 02:42:15 oh hm is there a way to type numbers? Mar 17 02:42:25 epv: @ and orange are switched Mar 17 02:42:30 oh @ Mar 17 02:42:31 epv: so @+numbers. that does mean '0' is out. Mar 17 02:42:42 epv: which is fugly, I admit. I'm working on it as time allows :) Mar 17 02:42:43 ok i forgot which two were swapped Mar 17 02:42:51 no prob :) Mar 17 02:43:03 zsoc: yes both are possible. we already have icewm and matchbox, just need a good config for matchbox and we're probably set Mar 17 02:43:16 i like fluxbox, but not sure if a floating/traditional wm is appropriate for the device Mar 17 02:43:35 gotcha Mar 17 02:43:41 heh chatting from xterm on pre now Mar 17 02:43:53 not bad Mar 17 02:43:56 epv: oh?? nice! Mar 17 02:44:07 epv: pidgin actually works rather well, and xchat very much so Mar 17 02:44:12 yep :) Mar 17 02:44:17 dtzWill: close to a replacement for Terminal? Is there a .ipk somewhere? Mar 17 02:44:17 (for those that don't know, ipkg-opt install xchat works too :D) Mar 17 02:44:20 oh good idea Mar 17 02:44:45 MerlinMM: close in some sense. no ipk, and no ETA. Mar 17 02:44:57 oh man, it's really nice Mar 17 02:45:00 MerlinMM: it's available now if you're technically inclined, but else it's gonna be a while to make it slick Mar 17 02:45:11 epv: yeah, gtk is actually /surprisingly/ snappy Mar 17 02:45:14 xchat loads for me almost instantly Mar 17 02:45:51 even just the xterm is great. Mar 17 02:46:10 epv: :D Mar 17 02:46:22 dtzWill: chatting from wIRC (dont know how to PM). I'm a programmer so... Where can I get code? Do I have to compile on Pre? Mar 17 02:47:15 MerlinMM: I haven't put together a guide, but a number of people here can help. basically grab the x server off the testing feed, ssh in (or use terminus, lol) and 'ipkg-opt install xterm' Mar 17 02:47:27 and then I suppose throw xterm in the start.sh script that launches X or something. Mar 17 02:47:28 Terminus just is not cutting it, no | chat! Mar 17 02:47:51 Char not chat. Mar 17 02:47:57 right. Mar 17 02:47:59 or ~ Mar 17 02:48:02 MerlinMM: X doesn't have support for pipe yet either, unfortunately. it's /very/ possible, it's just a matter of sitting down and adding those Mar 17 02:48:11 dBsooner: syn|ack Mar 17 02:48:13 :P its not a huge deal right now is it? Mar 17 02:48:15 if someone wants to put together those symbols, and what they'd map to, that would be great Mar 17 02:48:22 i suppose to be helpful i should try digging into the xkb stuff Mar 17 02:48:31 dtzWill: what do I need to do? Mar 17 02:48:50 Sigh, without | > ` a cmd line isn't much use. Mar 17 02:48:51 rwhitby: oh just the old xlauncher package. we renamed it to x11, and the old one is around and it's just confusing b/c they're named the same in preware. Mar 17 02:48:54 since once it's got reasonably full keyboard mappings it will become my #1 most used thing on the phone :) Mar 17 02:49:11 i might have to build xdm just for amusement value Mar 17 02:49:15 MerlinMM: well right this isn't done yet :). but it's going rather quickly... anyway, that's where it's at Mar 17 02:49:27 epv: hahaha. :D. and \o/ useful Mar 17 02:49:49 xeyes is also very useful Mar 17 02:49:50 heh.. true. Mar 17 02:49:58 epv: the xkb stuff is actually mostly done, and shouldn't be hard to finish. really it's just a matter of not having it done yet. Mar 17 02:50:11 iterative steps: basic keyboard, etc. Mar 17 02:50:38 only issues are things like modifier+key for numbers will need hacking if we ever want a modal keyboard to do things like press orange, let go, press a key, etc Mar 17 02:50:45 but if we didn't support that in the near future I wouldn't be SUPER sad Mar 17 02:50:58 * oc80z installing boondock saints irish theme for palm pre Mar 17 02:51:09 damn Mar 17 02:51:11 I want that Mar 17 02:51:24 happy st. paddy's Mar 17 02:51:26 but I no has preware because I no has plugged phone into computer after restore yet Mar 17 02:51:44 i guess with key combos for the usual stuff we don't need the modal keys as much Mar 17 02:51:50 its a convenience Mar 17 02:52:01 MerlinMM: earlier today I was at a friend's and had to get his pub key onto my device with no usb and no proper terminal. was humorously difficult, hah Mar 17 02:52:04 jhkl ftw Mar 17 02:52:19 dtzWill: did you type it out? :D Mar 17 02:52:35 haha Mar 17 02:52:48 i don't think i've ever typed out an ssh key Mar 17 02:52:51 that sounds painful Mar 17 02:52:55 * zsoc has once Mar 17 02:52:56 zsoc: rofl, no I refused that on principle, didn't even occur to me. ended up throwing it on a public server, wget'ing it, 'mv' ing my exiting authorized_keys, and then putting it as the /only/ one. Mar 17 02:53:05 then ssh'd in and cat'd the old ones back to fix it up haha Mar 17 02:53:21 nice Mar 17 02:53:28 but even that felt lame, I feel like i should've been able to use some commands to make it work without redirection :) Mar 17 02:53:42 some random flags, etc :) Mar 17 02:53:42 oh i should try smaller fonts with xterm. 52 by 36 isn't terrible though Mar 17 02:53:43 Can't we map series of key presses to chars to get more combos? Orange + sum + . = | but orange + . = > etc. Mar 17 02:54:02 there's always a better way, unless your way is so obfuscate it you wouldn't have even recognized it as being remotely valid 5 years ago. Mar 17 02:54:09 Sym not sum (stupid 3000 autocorrect patch) Mar 17 02:54:31 MerlinMM: of course, at some point i/we/someone needs to sit down and work out a reasonable scheme, and then implement it Mar 17 02:54:44 dtzWill: should be gone on next autobuilder run Mar 17 02:54:51 epv: lemme know how that goes, that would probably help with the off-the-screen that happens without a wm Mar 17 02:54:57 rwhitby: wonderful, tyvm. Mar 17 02:55:28 What's the keymap setup for xterm? Magic format text files? Mar 17 02:55:48 MerlinMM: ? it's the keylayout for /x/, and it's via xkb stuff Mar 17 02:56:10 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=x11/xkeyboard-config.git;a=summary is where all that lives. Mar 17 02:56:24 although combining the various projects into the 'xlauncher' project is still a manual process, unfortunately :( Mar 17 02:56:26 i started it with xterm -geometry 52x36+0+0 Mar 17 02:56:28 dtzWill: thanks. Mar 17 02:56:35 epv: and? :) Mar 17 02:56:36 so it wraps correctly, etc Mar 17 02:56:38 it's fine Mar 17 02:56:52 i was just going to try a smaller font so i can get more columns Mar 17 02:57:30 epv: you know why the webOS userland looks so good compared to others? Mar 17 02:57:42 why, rwhitby? because it's nslu-whatever? Mar 17 02:57:52 or because it actually *was* made by grownups? :) Mar 17 02:58:10 epv: it's because palm chose to base it on long-term community based distribution (openembedded), rather than one from a single commercial vendor. Mar 17 02:58:36 rwhitby: amen! Mar 17 02:58:37 yes, right Mar 17 02:58:46 and google suffers from Invented Here syndrome Mar 17 02:59:06 where nothing anyone else does can possibly be good enough, so they just have to do it themselves. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 17 02:59:57 2010