**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 19 02:59:56 2010 Mar 19 03:02:38 rwhitby: doesn't the new service allow for actual download %s for everything? Mar 19 03:03:14 I can't seem to update the PMS. Mar 19 03:03:30 via cmd nor preware. Mar 19 03:03:46 preware doesn't see it in the feed Mar 19 03:03:56 I think we should redo the update scene to be more informative Mar 19 03:06:59 oil_pre: the new service will do that, the current testing release is not the new service Mar 19 03:07:29 right Mar 19 03:07:52 I'm just sayin for the release that has the new service Mar 19 03:08:24 oil_pre: ok. I'll have an ipkg of the new service ready for you to look at probably next week Mar 19 03:08:50 it will work with this preware release (i've done some forward-compatibility changes in this one) Mar 19 03:10:52 Hi guys i was wondering if anyone could help me connect to my pre via winscp over usb. doing it over wifi is dog slow :( Mar 19 03:13:02 pixelwix: if you plug in your pre over usb .. you can get it to be in storage mode and you can just drag and drop your files Mar 19 03:13:24 when you unplug, they are in /media/internal .. ssh in and move as you see fit Mar 19 03:16:29 im not worried about copying files its more or less editing files Mar 19 03:16:34 like renaming apps Mar 19 03:16:55 i can't even move through folders without it disconnectin Mar 19 03:17:36 is the pre being powered at the time you're trying this ? Mar 19 03:17:40 or just sitting on the table ? Mar 19 03:19:08 both Mar 19 03:19:17 it sits on a touchstone Mar 19 03:19:35 with pandora running so wifi doesnt go to sleep Mar 19 03:19:47 weird Mar 19 03:20:32 either way, if you just want to edit random files on a shell, plug in and with developer mode enabled, fire up novaterm Mar 19 03:27:18 or use linux Mar 19 03:27:22 that is all Mar 19 03:29:18 lol i editing with novaterm wasnt as hard as i though iwth vi Mar 19 03:29:33 how do i save the changes? after im done Mar 19 03:30:24 hit escape .. Mar 19 03:30:27 then type :w Mar 19 03:32:20 sweet thaks Mar 19 03:32:58 make sure your filesystem is rw Mar 19 03:34:57 Woooo for windows mount point conflicts! Mar 19 03:45:37 * halfhalo|armed is once again doctoring his pre Mar 19 03:50:17 rwhitby: thanks! Worked great. 70+ meg, np! :) Mar 19 04:16:55 infobot: wb Mar 19 04:16:56 thx Mar 19 04:29:56 if anyone knows off the top of their head, is there a patch that installs ipk files opened via web browser? Mar 19 04:38:43 no and such a patch would probably not make its way into Preware Mar 19 04:39:14 hmmmmm Mar 19 04:39:22 I might write one for my self Mar 19 04:39:22 * dtzWill stops working on his "install untrusted root script" patch Mar 19 04:39:30 :P Mar 19 04:40:00 it would just be so easy for me to use it to install testing packages off of my server Mar 19 04:40:49 just make a packages file Mar 19 04:40:52 problem solved Mar 19 04:41:08 how is that problem solved.... Mar 19 04:41:35 does ipkg not take urls? Mar 19 04:41:57 add the custom feed Mar 19 04:42:01 preware will install it whenever Mar 19 04:42:36 That doesn't really help me. This is for rapid deplyment, IE build it, then immediatly install it to pre Mar 19 04:43:07 halfhalo|armed, building it and putting it ina custom feed is not rapid? Mar 19 04:43:21 not rapid enough Mar 19 04:43:57 it would take another second or two to make the packages file Mar 19 04:44:17 but then a long time to preware to refresh the feeds Mar 19 04:44:27 disable the other feeds Mar 19 04:44:43 effort! Mar 19 04:44:56 that's effort? Mar 19 04:45:01 yes Mar 19 04:45:02 lol ok then use ssh Mar 19 04:45:07 I'm a lazy bastard Mar 19 04:45:27 yeah but... ssh involves me actually setting it up Mar 19 04:45:32 or palm-install Mar 19 04:46:01 I don't know how the heck it's less work to load the browser, and go to a url than it is to tap preware and hit install Mar 19 04:46:23 but if it's just for testing then use novacom Mar 19 04:46:38 The way I have it now is when I build it in eclipse, It fires off a bat script that does palm-package to my folder synced with my server, and then runs palm-install -d usb and palm-install -d tcp Mar 19 04:47:31 and you want to change because? Mar 19 04:47:46 don't want to have to have pre connected via usb Mar 19 04:48:25 so install SSH, or make a custom feed, those are your best options IMO Mar 19 04:48:56 or use linux Mar 19 04:49:10 lol Mar 19 04:49:20 Linux does not like any of my hardware setups Mar 19 04:50:09 Does not like my Desktops raid setup Mar 19 04:50:21 Does not like my T400's switchable graphics or power manager Mar 19 04:50:41 Does not like my C90s's battery system Mar 19 04:50:54 Does not like my mini because its a hater Mar 19 04:50:59 lol Mar 19 04:51:07 sounds like a personal problem Mar 19 04:51:14 virtualbox Mar 19 04:51:19 its on my ps3 though Mar 19 04:51:21 vmware Mar 19 04:51:53 only have vmware on the mini and that thing is slooooow with a vm open Mar 19 04:51:57 stupid 2GB ram Mar 19 04:52:26 but yeah if you already plan to serve the ipk over the web, just create a packages file for custom feed Mar 19 04:53:23 well, the think is the folder contains a bunch of different versions of it, and my server is only running php so no fancy ipkg crap that can get the info from it Mar 19 04:53:24 http://silentbluesystems.com/Downloads/ Mar 19 04:53:44 fancy ipkg crap? Mar 19 04:53:58 getting info from it Mar 19 04:54:07 use ipkg-utils script to make the packages file Mar 19 04:54:19 won't run on server Mar 19 04:54:36 ? Mar 19 04:54:46 make the packages when you build the ipk Mar 19 04:54:57 but.... this is windows.... Mar 19 04:55:09 its retarted and cant do that stuff withough breaking Mar 19 04:55:38 it's just a python script Mar 19 04:55:42 lol Mar 19 04:55:56 does it LOOK like I have python installed? Mar 19 04:56:05 that wont take long Mar 19 04:56:13 oh, hey, the mini has python installed Mar 19 04:56:14 .... Mar 19 04:56:54 but the mini is using the small screen right now, so screw that Mar 19 04:57:23 you have an interesting setup Mar 19 04:57:31 oh you have no idea Mar 19 04:57:33 interesting = broken? Mar 19 04:57:40 lol Mar 19 04:57:59 RDP into your mini Mar 19 04:58:22 I'm to lazy to reach over and hit the input button on my 1680x1050 monitor fo flip from desktop to mini Mar 19 04:58:27 and im just using vnc Mar 19 04:58:32 lol Mar 19 04:58:48 he just wants to be able to install random packages Mar 19 04:58:58 not interrested in doing it right :) Mar 19 04:59:03 which, by the way, is freaking crap compared to leopards screen sharing stuff Mar 19 04:59:14 you could give your url out to people who test for you Mar 19 04:59:18 telling them itl get them cutting edge Mar 19 04:59:20 why would you hit the input button? Mar 19 04:59:25 and they just add hte feed to preware Mar 19 04:59:43 desktop is hooked up to three monitors Mar 19 04:59:52 3 monitors ftw Mar 19 04:59:57 mini is only hooked up to one right now Mar 19 05:00:20 if you RDP into mini why do you need to hit the input button Mar 19 05:01:17 that is a very good question.... Mar 19 05:01:48 ohhh, hey, firefly is in the dvd drive! Mar 19 05:02:31 * halfhalo|armed loves the disk sharing feature of his mini Mar 19 05:04:27 well that doesn't work Mar 19 05:10:56 Now, if you will excuse me, I'm going to go watch archer and take massive amounts of drugs Mar 19 05:14:03 ohh Mar 19 05:17:38 How do I get my MSL, do I need to call Sprint? Mar 19 05:17:55 I guess I should have written it down the times I've had to call for support. Mar 19 05:19:04 Ahh, reading reveals the answer! Mar 19 05:24:23 504 Gateway Time-out at Precentral.net Mar 19 05:27:20 Gollyzila|comp: works here? Mar 19 05:27:50 it's always timing out around this time. Now it works Mar 19 05:31:53 argh. random luna reset Mar 19 05:40:45 got my timeout here too. interesting. Mar 19 05:48:49 yeah, always at this time of day. Mar 19 05:49:10 although one hour earlier for me now, cause you've changed time for daylight savings Mar 19 05:51:14 BoomerET: call custom service and request it Mar 19 05:56:18 Has anyone here tried downloading the newest update to Mode Switcher? I believe it's 0.9.6. It doesn't install because it depends on Launch Mode Switcher On Boot patch, but i have that already installed. The thing i noticed though is that the full ID of the patch that i have installed does not match that of the dependency Mar 19 05:56:57 mode switcher? Mar 19 05:57:35 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/224544-mode-switcher.html Mar 19 05:59:47 Gollyzila|comp: yeah, the patches are going to be submitted to the normal patch feed, and therefore the appid changes. Mar 19 06:00:18 the app is in the testing feed Mar 19 06:00:46 But it can't be installed at the moment due to the dependencies Mar 19 06:02:51 hmm - maybe I'll remove the dependency for the moment Mar 19 06:04:06 Gollyzila|comp: it's updated Mar 19 06:04:14 may take 5 mins for the feed cache to expire Mar 19 06:05:34 Gollyzila|comp: do you want to put up some instructions at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:ModeSwitcher ? Mar 19 06:06:16 i'm busy right now, sorry Mar 19 06:06:38 omg, photo app started renumbering or rewriting photos. my old thumbnail for CIMG2180 is not the same as the current CIMG2180, and the timestamps are out of order Mar 19 06:07:04 drewp: yep, known 1.4 bug Mar 19 06:07:15 drewp: use a patch to change the filenaming Mar 19 06:07:19 is it related to the num of photos? Mar 19 06:07:21 yeah i sure will Mar 19 06:07:45 and is there a list i should be on to hear about these things before they lose data? Mar 19 06:08:33 there was an article on PreCentral about 1.4 bugs Mar 19 06:08:46 that's where I read about it Mar 19 06:08:48 found that now Mar 19 06:14:07 * rwhitby bbl Mar 19 06:39:33 good morning Mar 19 06:51:36 hi guys! finally got me a pre Mar 19 06:52:13 is there any way I can change the DNS server webos uses? Mar 19 06:53:00 I noticed resolv.conf only lists 127.0.0.1 Mar 19 06:53:26 so I assume changes there wouldn't be effective Mar 19 06:56:56 basically I want to filter content on the phone through opendns's dns servers Mar 19 09:12:49 Just testing wirc on my pre. hi guys Mar 19 09:19:40 hi Steveway Mar 19 09:20:29 oh hi dthought Mar 19 09:22:07 im on a slow 3g connection here so don't expect fast responses for me Mar 19 09:22:15 from me Mar 19 09:26:18 Steveway: well, the connection should be faster than any of us can type... ;-) Mar 19 09:26:28 (3g should be 30-300ms latency) Mar 19 09:33:44 sorry for the log/in/outs, my pre keeps hanging up due to overheating or something like that. Mar 19 10:26:55 Hi, I am working on an app to use the Pre as a remote control for linux-based VDR. Pretty much is done and I guess a fully funtional beta-version will be available this weekend. How can I get it on "Preware"? Mar 19 10:27:20 is there a form or an email, where to submit information? Mar 19 10:47:21 get yourself on the precentral forums and ask for developer access Mar 19 10:49:12 takes about a week Mar 19 10:55:31 ok thanks Mar 19 11:26:15 heya Mar 19 11:31:17 EARTHQUAKE!!! Mar 19 12:00:47 SiLlY_: ??? Mar 19 12:21:29 hallo noaXess Mar 19 12:21:38 hey Mar 19 12:21:51 have to wait until the "offical" people are here Mar 19 12:22:17 had someone in a meeting asking "is this a palm pre"? Mar 19 13:39:58 anyone seen this new 'cpu scaling' app? Mar 19 15:56:48 Its pretty sad when your external HD is about 4 times bigger than your internal yet cost a 4th of the internal as well Mar 19 15:57:56 But then again, it makes backups a breeze Mar 19 15:59:38 mmmmmmmmmmmmm. SSD's........... Mar 19 16:02:52 i have 2 intel x25-e's in a stripe raid at home Mar 19 16:03:04 ~450meg/sec reads ~400meg/sec writes Mar 19 16:03:05 :> Mar 19 16:03:09 My laptop has a 60GB Agility in it Mar 19 16:03:14 but I got mine for 130 Mar 19 16:03:15 :p Mar 19 16:03:29 i have cheap ones too in other equipment Mar 19 16:03:36 It also has a 500GB Scorpio blue in the ultrabay Mar 19 16:03:36 but they dont compare to the x25-e SLC Mar 19 16:04:08 i use an esata dock for my large long term storage drives Mar 19 16:04:12 Yeah, I've played with some of the intels before. Just not worth it for me Mar 19 16:04:15 1.5 terabyte drives Mar 19 16:04:47 Well, I have windows+ most of my commonly used apps on my ssd, then steam/large apps on the 500gb Mar 19 16:05:00 never ever use the optical drive so its worth it Mar 19 16:05:36 And I have 5TB connected to my desktop which is where all my storage happens Mar 19 16:05:47 well, that or the 1TB USB drive tied to the mini Mar 19 16:06:35 well look who it is.... Mar 19 16:06:42 PARTY TIME! Mar 19 16:26:11 rwhitby: pign Mar 19 16:26:14 rwhitby: ping Mar 19 16:51:03 Dtzwill on? I have an updated keymap with < > { } | ` \\ for xterm. Am I too late to help or should I send to someone? Mar 19 16:54:23 MerlinMM: you're not too late at all :). that's excellent Mar 19 16:54:49 nice Mar 19 16:55:35 MerlinMM: if you have commit, add that to xkeyboardconfig, else email me it and I'll commit on your behalf giving you credit :) Mar 19 16:55:38 is anyone going to this: http://www.embeddedlinuxconference.com/elc_2010/index.html ? Mar 19 16:56:05 jacques: nein Mar 19 16:57:11 MerlinMM: brb shower. w@wdtz.org if you end up emailing. ty! :D Mar 19 17:00:18 OH DAMMIT Mar 19 17:00:25 I used a new version of the doctor Mar 19 17:01:17 MerlinMM: i have a whole bunch of meetings, etc, today. ty again, and if i'm not around others can help or i'll merge your changes in tonight Mar 19 17:23:58 jacques, you looking to eyeball at the conference? Mar 19 17:24:22 Oh jeesh, it's at the Kabuki? Mar 19 17:24:58 BoomerET: I don't understand "eyeball" - I am going. I noticed they are having project demo tables this year Mar 19 17:25:26 meetup, get together, etc. Mar 19 17:25:51 I work in the area Mar 19 17:26:46 BoomerET: ah, like BoF :-) Mar 19 17:27:16 Well, I'm in a nicer part of towm actually. The Kabuki is too close to the tenderloin for my tastes. Mar 19 17:27:55 Heading to Costco, catch ya later. Mar 19 17:28:18 ok, later Mar 19 17:35:38 hello everyone Mar 19 17:35:52 is there a way to change the DNS server the pre uses? Mar 19 17:35:52 hello ben Mar 19 17:36:11 i want to use opendns Mar 19 17:36:33 i'm confused since the resolv.conf lists only 127.0.0.1\ Mar 19 17:36:39 benklop: well, the Pre will use whatever DNS server gets assigned to it ... Mar 19 17:36:45 i'm unsure that it is actually being used Mar 19 17:37:19 benklop: let me connect to my Pre and see if I can figure it out for you ... Mar 19 17:37:31 I think it uses a local dns cache Mar 19 17:37:38 maybe dnsmasq Mar 19 17:37:40 ok Mar 19 17:37:41 jacques: yes it must be Mar 19 17:37:46 i havn't checked that Mar 19 17:37:53 jacques: ... but I'm going to see if I can find where that is configured Mar 19 17:37:53 if you look in /tmp you will see the real resolv.conf Mar 19 17:38:01 IIRC Mar 19 17:38:07 i've really only taken a relatively cursory look around - i've only had the thing for a few days Mar 19 17:38:20 root@palm-webos-device:/tmp# ls -l *conf Mar 19 17:38:20 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 134 Mar 19 09:08 resolv.conf Mar 19 17:38:20 root@palm-webos-device:/tmp# cat resolv.conf Mar 19 17:38:20 # Autogenerated by PmNetConfigManager. DO NOT MODIFY!! Mar 19 17:38:20 # Interface ppp0 Mar 19 17:38:20 # Priority 30 Mar 19 17:38:20 nameserver 68.28.122.93 Mar 19 17:38:21 nameserver 68.28.114.91 Mar 19 17:38:32 jacques: you win Mar 19 17:38:37 nice Mar 19 17:38:38 yay :-0 Mar 19 17:38:39 jacques: thanks Mar 19 17:38:44 np Mar 19 17:38:52 so I wonder, it says autogenerated by PmNetConfigManager Mar 19 17:38:56 ben: PmNetConfigManager is a good thing to know Mar 19 17:39:05 that is the code that runs to bring up and down connections Mar 19 17:39:16 okay Mar 19 17:39:23 it is in /etc/pmnetconfig Mar 19 17:39:58 I "discovered" it when I was trying to figure out how the Verizon mobile hotspot code worked Mar 19 17:40:01 i am glad I installed bash Mar 19 17:40:04 :) Mar 19 17:40:57 wow, ok, so.. this is amazing. I love having a unix box in my pocket Mar 19 17:41:43 (and I don't mean "discovered" it like I am Vasco da Gama -- I mean stumbled upon it for my own purposes) Mar 19 17:42:18 nt4cats: how do you think most things were discovered? :-D Mar 19 17:42:27 magic Mar 19 17:42:47 jacques: yes, but I bet hundreds of people stumbled upon it before I did, I guess. Mar 19 17:42:58 nt4cats: so do you know if there's a place there you can easily change settings Mar 19 17:43:03 (like dns) Mar 19 17:43:12 i'm looking through some of the files in there now Mar 19 17:43:56 benklop: line 34 of if-up in that direcotry looks like it creates resolv.conf Mar 19 17:44:47 benklop: the actual NetCfgSetDns call is in the 'funcs' file in that same directory Mar 19 17:45:13 ok Mar 19 17:45:32 benklop: ... so if that is what you want to accomplish I'd *carefully* edit the 'funcs' file. Mar 19 17:45:50 okay Mar 19 17:46:46 so with changes like this, whats the word on how this works with updates? Mar 19 17:51:24 benklop: your changes may get overwritten by updates Mar 19 17:51:37 benklop: so you should save a copy of your changes so you can put them back if they get overwritten. Mar 19 17:52:07 so the updates don't neccessarily overwrite files that have not been changed in that update? Mar 19 17:52:30 benklop: they don't update packages that haven't changed ... Mar 19 17:53:09 benklop: ... but if some other file in the same package as 'funcs' has changed, I think they may send the whole package (and overwrite your 'funcs' changes). I don't know this for certain, but this is how I believe it works. Mar 19 17:55:24 benklop: you should just assume your changes will get overwritten with each update and be prepared for it. webOS doesn't update *that* often ... Mar 19 17:57:06 okay. so it looks like NetCfgDns() uses ${1} as the dns server... if I can change that.. Mar 19 18:09:23 sigh, cnnfn headline: "Palm's new price target: $0" on the main page even :( Mar 19 18:09:50 palm has to pull through. I don't want to find a new platform~ Mar 19 18:10:03 blablabla analysts Mar 19 18:10:23 they're idiots to be sure, i just wish they didn't have so much pull Mar 19 18:10:33 they create their forecasts often enough Mar 19 18:48:16 I can't seem to find a log command on my device, I remember at one point debugging an app shelled into the device...but I can't figure out where to pickup the Mojo.Log output. Does anyone know where that is? Mar 19 18:48:44 palm-log -f com.app.thingie Mar 19 18:48:56 that gets you it via pc Mar 19 18:50:14 Cool Mar 19 18:50:35 well, you also have to run palm-log --system-log-level info first Mar 19 18:59:28 "after reporting worse than expected results for the third quarter Thursday" - I thought they reported better than expected ? Mar 19 19:02:06 dtzWill:xterm is looking even better Mar 19 19:02:26 soon I'll have to port over my .Xdefaults and maybe get zsh on there Mar 19 19:02:48 has git been ported over? Mar 19 19:05:43 halfhalo_T400_ --system-log-level didn't exist. I did palm-log -l and the app I want to log has a *, do you know what that means? Mar 19 19:06:21 honestly, I don't Mar 19 19:06:32 but I know system-log-level works since I just ran it Mar 19 19:06:53 Hmm...I'm not getting any log output, even after changing the framework_config in the app and rebooting the phone Mar 19 19:07:59 I just learned today that the pre will NOT give you any logs withough running palm-log --system-log-level info Mar 19 19:08:44 I must have an old version of the SDK Mar 19 19:08:57 Since my palm-log doesn't accept that option Mar 19 19:09:00 possibly Mar 19 19:15:37 Yeah that works now...too bad the DOS shell is a piece. Mar 19 20:12:53 any "official" people around? Mar 19 20:13:03 What would official be in this context? Mar 19 20:13:39 there may be some officious ppl around Mar 19 20:19:43 people i can talk to regarding a sub-domain on webos-internals Mar 19 20:23:12 you want a subdomain ? Mar 19 20:23:39 yes, for a german part Mar 19 20:24:02 interesting Mar 19 20:24:19 i'm going to the swiss open source expo next week to present webos-internals Mar 19 20:24:24 the idea came up to have a german part Mar 19 20:24:31 of webos-internals Mar 19 20:26:09 ah neat Mar 19 20:26:10 i think rod told me that there's no multi-language in the wiki at the moment Mar 19 20:27:06 interesting Mar 19 20:27:25 i'd need some "official" guidance Mar 19 20:29:01 probably best to wait for rwhitby Mar 19 20:29:34 but it's only 7am saturday morning where he is Mar 19 20:55:56 guess i'll wait for him Mar 19 20:56:01 when does he usually show up? Mar 19 21:02:00 swisstomcat: what's up? Mar 19 21:02:08 not much Mar 19 21:02:16 working on my app Mar 19 21:02:24 preparing for the expo next week Mar 19 21:03:54 swisstomcat: gotcha. what'dya need? Mar 19 21:04:22 a webos-internals subdomain or email adress :) Mar 19 21:04:33 or both Mar 19 21:05:18 a subdomain for german-translations of webos-internals Mar 19 21:05:37 an email-address like swissteam@webos-internals.org or something Mar 19 21:05:40 swisstomcat: ah, yes. sorry. rod is the admin ^_^ Mar 19 21:07:30 morning Mar 19 21:07:50 oh, here he is :) Mar 19 21:08:05 an official endorsement would be cool too -> http://forums.precentral.net/gsm-pre/236559-webos-internals-swiss-open-source-expo-march-24-25-2010-a.html Mar 19 21:08:19 speak of the devil Mar 19 21:08:40 mickeyl: pong Mar 19 21:09:17 rwhitby: hi. do you remember on which machine / in which directory where the FSO downloads were? when the outage came, i redirected downloads.fso to another host and now i forgot the IP Mar 19 21:09:20 of the old one Mar 19 21:09:48 mickeyl: hmm - I don't know. possibly limax.nslu2-linux.org Mar 19 21:10:32 rwhitby: with the upcoming swiss expo i have some ideas/requests Mar 19 21:10:51 swisstomcat: ok, shoot. Mar 19 21:11:15 an email adress like swissteam@webos-internals.org would be cool to put on our handout Mar 19 21:11:19 or similar Mar 19 21:11:43 we'd really like to start a german section of webos-internals .. what about a subdomain? Mar 19 21:12:38 swisstomcat: we only have a support@webos-internals.org address at the moment. Mar 19 21:13:27 you think that a new email adress should go hand in hand with a german section? Mar 19 21:13:40 swisstomcat: I'll need to talk to our mediawiki admins about how to do localised wiki pages Mar 19 21:13:48 of course we'd also put support@webos-internals.org on the handout Mar 19 21:14:14 if we twiddle our thumbs next week we might as well start translating content instead Mar 19 21:15:07 does anyone have experience with running parallel language wikis? Mar 19 21:15:23 nope, sorry Mar 19 21:15:44 not yet Mar 19 21:16:00 it should be possible if you're using mediawiki Mar 19 21:16:03 rwhitby: yeah, limax was it, thanks! Mar 19 21:16:17 I've seen some sites do a subdomain, and some sites do pages with :en and :de suffixes on the page name Mar 19 21:16:30 wikipedia does it with a subdomain Mar 19 21:16:39 en.wikipedia.org and de.wikipedia.org Mar 19 21:18:00 well, before starting a subdomain for a language, we'd need at least three people committed to keeping it current. Mar 19 21:18:21 an out of date localised wiki is worse than just an english wiki Mar 19 21:18:40 you've got two already Mar 19 21:19:07 but i agree, it need to be kept updated Mar 19 21:20:04 oh, and i'd be cool to have an "official endorsement" on this thread :) http://forums.precentral.net/gsm-pre/236559-webos-internals-swiss-open-source-expo-march-24-25-2010-a.html Mar 19 21:20:46 swisstomcat: already done Mar 19 21:21:04 thank you :) Mar 19 21:22:30 interested in an after-show report? Mar 19 21:23:01 do you even need to ask? :-) Mar 19 21:23:02 don't need anything formal. some snapshots are always good. Mar 19 21:23:15 i'm a part-time photographer :) Mar 19 21:23:28 awesome Mar 19 21:23:38 we'll expect chuq-quality snaps then ;-) Mar 19 21:23:42 FPI http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/CELF-ELC-2010-OSS-Technology-Showcase/ Mar 19 21:24:06 i'll do my best to find some birds to take pictures of Mar 19 21:24:21 exotic birds Mar 19 21:24:31 jacques: you want to go? Mar 19 21:24:44 rwhitby: I am going. company is sending me Mar 19 21:24:54 why is all the cool stuff happening in california? sigh Mar 19 21:25:17 swisstomcat: um, you can start complaining after me Mar 19 21:25:19 :p Mar 19 21:25:42 it's just too damn far away Mar 19 21:25:44 azakus: ipkg-opt has git, zsh, and more, fwiw Mar 19 21:25:54 guess i could say the same about australia Mar 19 21:26:52 rwhitby: how should we go forward with the german part? Start with the more static information? what is important to have translated? Mar 19 21:26:54 I would *really* like to go to the linux conference in tokyo in sept. it's a nice dream. Mar 19 21:27:10 come to the swiss one :) Mar 19 21:27:18 i can offer a guest bed Mar 19 21:27:20 swisstomcat: we talk to ka6sox-work about how to set up the wiki Mar 19 21:27:29 swisstomcat: the one next week? :-) Mar 19 21:27:32 yeah Mar 19 21:27:44 swisstomcat: in the mean-time, feel free to create sibling pages with :de suffix Mar 19 21:28:08 swisstomcat: e.g. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware:de Mar 19 21:28:12 is there a list of all pages that can be ordered by importance? Mar 19 21:28:22 i see Mar 19 21:28:31 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Popularpages Mar 19 21:29:01 :) Mar 19 21:29:32 very good Mar 19 21:29:40 swisstomcat: but put the Application:* pages ahead of that list (for some reason they are not included there) Mar 19 21:30:00 yeah, preware is probably the most important Mar 19 21:30:02 and I think a number of those pages already include obsolete information Mar 19 21:30:10 even on the english pages? Mar 19 21:30:18 yes Mar 19 21:30:35 the whole accessing linux stream has been greatly simplified Mar 19 21:30:37 also .. important<>popular Mar 19 21:30:44 in some cases Mar 19 21:30:50 agreed Mar 19 21:31:01 guess we'll start with the main page Mar 19 21:31:10 I think the set of pages required to install and use Preware and the WIDK are the most important Mar 19 21:31:31 agreed Mar 19 21:31:58 i'll see that i can drum up some interest in germany Mar 19 21:32:07 and possible help Mar 19 21:34:44 * rwhitby bbl (offline today) Mar 19 21:38:43 hi all Mar 19 21:38:51 hola Mar 19 21:39:21 hey jaycanuck Mar 19 21:39:36 I need your guys personal opinions Mar 19 21:39:56 is/does it appear that PreCentral is anti-palm biased? Mar 19 21:41:13 Not really. I think it may only look that way since there really isn't anything new to report on besides palm issues right now... Mar 19 21:41:29 one developer I talked to on twitter today basically said PreCentral was worse than Gizmodo Mar 19 21:41:35 http://gizmodo.com/5497530/youd-be-crazy-to-buy-a-palm-now Mar 19 21:42:40 sheesh Mar 19 21:44:32 JayCanuck: what do you think about the "support and dev will die" line in gizmodo? Mar 19 21:44:53 * frosty` is the market for a new phone, figured he'd lurk here to see whats up Mar 19 21:45:14 you mean the "If developers have given up on WebOS—which it certainly seems like them have—consumers have no reason to stick around" line? Mar 19 21:45:49 "If you're smart, running as far as you can in the opposite direction from Palm, knowing that once a company dies the customer support dies with it, along with any third party or internal development." Mar 19 21:46:03 doubtful Mar 19 21:46:27 Yeah, you have to have something in the first place to lose it... :/ Mar 19 21:46:35 I'm not gonna stop developing until webOS is dead. Mar 19 21:47:11 analysts predict Palm has at the least 12 months to change the downfall Mar 19 21:47:20 same here, but I still have issues with the current dev system Mar 19 21:48:02 in that time, the PDK apps will launch, the webOS will debut on more carriers, including AT&T, and at least 1 more device will debut Mar 19 21:49:00 Snapdragon Pre = MAJOR WIN Mar 19 21:49:01 and speaking to various developers, the majority find it an enjoyable experience to develop for the webOS on the html5/pdk systems Mar 19 21:49:25 tibfib, why Mar 19 21:49:31 Honestly, palm needs a new amazing hardware device, and decent advertising. Mar 19 21:49:36 Well, it works, but I wouldn't call it enjoyable... Mar 19 21:49:54 oc80w: I just mean a nice processor in general Mar 19 21:49:55 lol Mar 19 21:51:02 I'm convinced Palm got the hardware wake-up call months ago Mar 19 21:51:32 I hope so Mar 19 21:51:38 me too Mar 19 21:51:59 I'm still pissed about the complete lack of effort put into the desktop side of the webos equation Mar 19 21:52:37 there's a few sync solutions Mar 19 21:52:54 MediaMonkey! Mar 19 21:53:00 yes, but their not elegant Mar 19 21:53:59 i don't think precentral is anti-palm biased Mar 19 21:54:44 there's doom and gloom for a few reasons Mar 19 21:54:49 but there's not reason to panic Mar 19 21:55:14 you have to admit that having half a million of devices in stock IS bad Mar 19 21:55:25 no matter how you look at it Mar 19 21:55:36 What I want is the ability to plug my pre into my computer, and be able to view all installed programs and their details, be able to LAUNCH those programs, and be able to send it into a new usb mode where lunasysmgr would run in single card mode with the phone as the card. And all this from a stock pre, with either a nice gui (Think: AIR or Titanium based) or an open API. No dev mode needed Mar 19 21:55:39 if only they were gsm devices :p Mar 19 21:56:49 a good idea, halfhalo Mar 19 21:56:57 I've been trying to write a nice titanium based GUI along with a Device Stage myself but I just haven't had the time to work on them more Mar 19 21:57:17 oh, I forgot to add the ability to query battery level and available space Mar 19 21:58:16 hey Mar 19 21:58:17 Does anyone know if there are any mirros for the webosdoctor downloads on the wiki ? Mar 19 21:59:54 the pre 1.4 ones? Mar 19 21:59:54 Bad news going around for Palm Mar 19 22:00:01 Seems like Palm needs to rebound quickly Mar 19 22:00:46 And no, WOSQI doesn't even come close to what I want to see. It may contain most of the capabilities, but its NOT going to cut it for 99% of the people. Its just not built for the purpose Mar 19 22:01:08 swisstomcat: yes Mar 19 22:01:22 I have a 1.4 pre I got which I'm trying to use a rebelsim with Mar 19 22:01:41 it seems I need the 1.3.5.2 modem firmware to get the sim to work Mar 19 22:01:44 i have not heard of mirrors and it would be illegal to set one up Mar 19 22:01:56 unless by palm themselves Mar 19 22:02:10 i wonder why they removed the old doctors tho .. e.g 1.3.5.x Mar 19 22:03:38 dunno, I never had a copy which is a pain Mar 19 22:04:09 actually I might have it Mar 19 22:04:21 did palm ship devices with the 1.4 doctor included ? Mar 19 22:04:56 I have one here, anyone know if it's possible to tell the version ? Mar 19 22:06:41 compare sums Mar 19 22:07:11 * techknowlust facepalms I'm an idiot Mar 19 22:08:24 beautiful. Turns out I have a copy :D Mar 19 22:09:00 hehe .. i'm already called the "Official webOS internals swiss rep" :D Mar 19 22:09:11 how did that happen ... Mar 19 22:09:22 you can get all doctor versions here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Mar 19 22:09:31 not anymore Mar 19 22:09:32 anyone here tried the modem flashing route with 1.4 for a rebelsim? Mar 19 22:09:38 the ones prior to 1.4 Mar 19 22:09:42 oh... really? Mar 19 22:09:42 GuinnessX: links are dead Mar 19 22:09:48 ok sorry Mar 19 22:09:49 thankfully though I have a copy Mar 19 22:09:51 since a few days Mar 19 22:11:49 supposedly you need v1.2.1 to start with on a bricked pre Mar 19 22:11:56 I wish I had grabbed it Mar 19 22:12:15 you do? Mar 19 22:12:24 why would you have to start at 1.2.1? Mar 19 22:13:32 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/225743-fix-what-considered-bricked-pre-caj2008-rules.html Mar 19 22:13:44 never had to try it Mar 19 22:17:23 hmmm, cpu scaling app Mar 19 22:17:26 anyone look into that? Mar 19 22:17:47 yeah I'm running it Mar 19 22:17:48 no. but the app design hurts my eyes. Mar 19 22:17:59 oh sorry not the app Mar 19 22:18:11 I overclocked mine to 800 MHz Mar 19 22:18:12 Well the app is based on the script Mar 19 22:18:17 Your poor Pre Mar 19 22:18:21 Its not gonna last long lol Mar 19 22:18:27 you're wrong Mar 19 22:18:31 read the thread Mar 19 22:18:39 Have the link handy? Mar 19 22:18:47 I highly doubt it could last long... Mar 19 22:18:54 It barely like 600mhz Mar 19 22:19:13 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/236315-prototype-video-wosqi-720-800-mhz-os1-3-5-1-a.html Mar 19 22:19:24 it loves 600 Mar 19 22:19:37 1.4 runs at 600 MHz for all the new games Mar 19 22:19:45 For a short period Mar 19 22:19:57 depends on how you play I guess Mar 19 22:20:00 Indeed Mar 19 22:20:24 So your running 1.3.5? Mar 19 22:20:28 the problems you remember are from the scaling and powersaving stuff Mar 19 22:20:32 yeah Mar 19 22:20:39 Ew, I need 1.4 :p Mar 19 22:20:56 Impressive non-the-less Mar 19 22:21:06 my 1.4 was messed up anyway. I had ro Dr, so I went ahead and gave this a try Mar 19 22:21:06 I might try out 1.4 800mhz later Mar 19 22:21:25 it'll be ready for 1.4 next friday Mar 19 22:21:33 As in MArch 26th? Mar 19 22:21:45 the 600mhz patch is great, though Mar 19 22:21:51 for all versions Mar 19 22:21:58 yeah the 26th Mar 19 22:22:25 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/229666-quickinstall-600-mhz-550-mhz-simple-patch.html Mar 19 22:22:25 Hmm... Ill have to reflash my OS Mar 19 22:22:32 Yea, they turned that into a app^ Mar 19 22:22:45 heh Mar 19 22:23:21 800mhz for 1.4 is in hte custom feed in Prewarre though Mar 19 22:23:47 you can download the ipk? Mar 19 22:23:52 Idk it just says Mar 19 22:24:00 The OS1.4 kernels are not ready for public distribution and will be done by custom feed via Preware. Mar 19 22:24:22 that sounds like future Mar 19 22:24:32 oh Mar 19 22:24:33 True Mar 19 22:25:26 There is definitely a linear correlation from CPU to speed Mar 19 22:26:14 to a point Mar 19 22:26:37 yea 800mhz is the highest Mar 19 22:26:50 Whats the battery impact? Mar 19 22:27:25 mine is at 59% after about 9 hours Mar 19 22:27:32 Wow Mar 19 22:27:36 which isn't far from normal Mar 19 22:27:38 I wish mine was like that at 500mhz :p Mar 19 22:27:42 haha Mar 19 22:27:48 Though I tend to mess with my phone a lot Mar 19 22:28:07 I have too today Mar 19 22:28:36 actually I'm not sure what time I took it off the usb cable Mar 19 22:28:41 might have been just 6 hours Mar 19 22:28:51 Makes more sense at 6 hours Mar 19 22:29:10 did you watch the video of 1.4 @ 800? Mar 19 22:29:30 swisstomcat: what is your PreCentral username? Mar 19 22:29:48 swisstomcat: Oh pretomcat prob Mar 19 22:29:51 pretomcat :) Mar 19 22:30:23 I see Duke3D v1.0.7 is in the testing feed... wonder if he got sound working yet Mar 19 22:30:36 I think Ill wait for the Friday release Mar 19 22:30:37 what good is Duke without sound Mar 19 22:30:49 why are you asking, abyssul? Mar 19 22:30:51 I could be a alpha tester but its kind of too late now Mar 19 22:31:01 Just saw your name in the overclock thread Mar 19 22:31:40 why not just try 600 for a week? Mar 19 22:33:43 I just did Mar 19 22:34:10 with the app or hard-coded? Mar 19 22:34:45 ...and where is the app, by the way? I don't see it in preware, but a lot of new shit is missing for 1.3.5.x users Mar 19 22:35:10 With the app Mar 19 22:35:21 and its in a weird forum, it should be in homebrew forum Mar 19 22:35:33 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps-software/236981-cpuscaler-application-palm-pre-toggles-cpu-scaling.html Mar 19 22:35:47 Basically it just implements the script with a on/off toggle Mar 19 22:36:15 Horrible app design but it gets the job done Mar 19 22:37:31 yeah, I'd never turn it off anyway Mar 19 22:37:55 Its good for the newbies Mar 19 22:38:57 lol at ppl calling the kernel "janky" Mar 19 22:39:45 my palmdatabase.db3 had problems, so I had to doctor Mar 19 22:39:55 I really hate losing my sms history Mar 19 22:46:27 Same here Mar 19 22:46:42 I replaced my backup and my GPS stopped working as well as picture mail Mar 19 22:46:46 So I had to delete it Mar 19 22:47:52 I didn't notice any problems for a couple weeks after restoring my db3 on a replacement Pre... then realized I couldn't send mms Mar 19 22:48:03 exactly Mar 19 22:48:13 Idk why it did that since I restored it properly Mar 19 22:48:16 but oh well Mar 19 22:48:19 my GPS was fine, though Mar 19 22:48:50 that was my original db3 since 6-6-09 Mar 19 22:49:26 rwhitby, will you kick mjkjr out of here Mar 19 23:14:17 dBsooner: you around ? Mar 19 23:24:05 i dont think he's around, he's not on messenger Mar 19 23:52:34 why does webos have actual battery and reported battery percentages... Mar 19 23:57:42 The phone shuts down at 5% remaining on the mattery, but that is displayed as 0% in luna Mar 19 23:58:24 This way there is no confusion on how much battery is left, and there is no issue with the battery draining to dangerous levels Mar 20 00:15:37 It almost hurts to read precentral. Doom and gloom.. ugh.. Mar 20 00:20:08 aight.. going out to eat.. Mar 20 00:20:21 not that anyone should or would care but i said it anyway. Mar 20 00:20:23 :p Mar 20 00:21:23 that's silly Mar 20 00:22:21 _SiLlY_: if you think precentral is bad, don't go anywhere near gizmodo Mar 20 00:25:20 does anybody happen to know an alternate source for getting webos doctor 1.2.x? Mar 20 00:26:18 ~doctor Mar 20 00:26:19 hmm... doctor is Dr Who a renegade Time Lord who travels through time and space in this Tardis (cleverly disguised as a police box) fighting evil in all its forms and kicking some serious ass Mar 20 00:26:22 bah Mar 20 00:26:28 ~webosdoctor Mar 20 00:26:33 ... Mar 20 00:26:37 lol Mar 20 00:27:03 ? Mar 20 00:27:29 infobot: webosdoctor is http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Mar 20 00:27:30 zsoc_wirc: okay Mar 20 00:27:43 the links are all dead Mar 20 00:27:53 I hate having to find that link. I'm so lazy Mar 20 00:27:56 that's why I was asking about an alternate Mar 20 00:28:02 GuinnessX: ? they shouldn't be... hmm Mar 20 00:28:07 then I am not aware Mar 20 00:28:46 yeah I did the same thing earlier Mar 20 00:29:30 does anyone have an unlocked webos? Mar 20 00:30:02 my phone is shut off and of course i had to do a hard reset on my pre (sprint cdma) Mar 20 00:30:32 unlocked? Mar 20 00:30:42 w/out activation required Mar 20 00:31:21 i get to the signon screen and it wont validate bc i dont have data service on it Mar 20 00:32:46 i seriously have been trying to work on this for weeks now (yea... my bill is kinda large...) and i just need wifi to connect to my email Mar 20 00:34:19 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/207472-webos-internals-meta-doctor.html Mar 20 00:35:30 i tried following that n i couldnt get it Mar 20 00:36:35 went through 2 comps, dual booted vm boxes.. nada Mar 20 00:36:37 what about this one: Mar 20 00:36:38 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/221385-cross-platform-meta-doctor-guide-bypass-carrier-activation-etc.html Mar 20 00:37:24 yup tried that too Mar 20 00:37:49 eve n talked to the guy askin for help but he (she?) just kinda brushed me off like i was dumb Mar 20 00:38:46 trust me. im all for takin things apart and tryin to figure things out, but i seriously give up on this one lol Mar 20 00:39:19 who did you talk to? Mar 20 00:39:47 the person who posted the meta doc thing Mar 20 00:40:16 the instructions for metaedoctor are very thorough and straight forward. Mar 20 00:40:50 bang bang (i just shot myself in the head) lol Mar 20 00:41:05 i know thats what everyone keeps telling me but idk wtf im doin wrong Mar 20 00:43:14 What on earth... my Pre's keyboard just stopped responding entirely. Mar 20 00:44:22 take out the battery roll your thumbs over all the keys back n forth, pop in the battery Mar 20 00:44:32 while its loading do it again Mar 20 00:44:32 Thanks. Mar 20 00:45:41 Man, this thing has a ton of dust behind the battery cover. I hadn't actually removed it before. Mar 20 00:47:26 thats probably the other part thats wrong with it lol Mar 20 00:49:03 i've blown mine out a few times under the cover Mar 20 00:50:05 I'm surprised to see that much dust accumulation without a fan. Mar 20 00:52:58 Crap. No luck. Mar 20 00:56:46 I read that you need to take the back off and pinch the keyboard and the board behind it together near the P key Mar 20 00:56:59 you should probably take the battery out first Mar 20 00:57:18 there's a ribbon cable that can come loose Mar 20 00:57:32 ...or that's what I read and it makes sense Mar 20 00:58:08 Thanks, let me try it. The backlight still works. Mar 20 00:58:50 I know that a cable was coming loose on my last Pre and causing the touchscreen to fail, but I couldn't get to it Mar 20 00:59:23 if I slapped it back-down, the touchscreen died, and if I slapped it face-down it came back Mar 20 00:59:27 Yeah, the keyboard guts are hidden behind this black thing. I might have to disassemble it. Mar 20 00:59:38 GuinnessX: that is very common. Mar 20 00:59:43 nah, just pinch it Mar 20 01:00:28 Templarian: yeah, I noticed Mar 20 01:00:38 I also see spurious volume button presses when I slide the cover open and closed. The build quality of these things is just terrible, even if the OS isn't half bad. Mar 20 01:00:40 I just wish I could have gotten to the cable Mar 20 01:00:56 my last Pre was perfect until that happened Mar 20 01:01:12 now I have some abused refurb Mar 20 01:02:28 I just hope I don't have to send my phone back. I'd hate to go without it. Mar 20 01:03:45 Ah, it works now! Mar 20 01:03:46 Thanks! Mar 20 01:04:34 cool Mar 20 01:04:38 Interesting bearing setup for the slider, too: before I opened it up, I just assumed there was a ribber cable that furled and unfurled. Mar 20 01:04:41 gotta run Mar 20 01:13:32 oh does anyone know what causes the spurious volume button presses Mar 20 01:18:48 epv: It's pretty obvious that the connection to the sliding part is loose. Mar 20 01:18:54 The question is how to fix it. Mar 20 01:19:18 One idea for a software workaround is to just ignore volume button presses when the cover is open. Mar 20 01:19:31 But I wouldn't know how to patch that behavior into the OS, at least not off the top of my head. Mar 20 02:42:21 hi all Mar 20 02:42:27 hola Mar 20 02:59:39 ~midget porn Mar 20 02:59:53 guess the bot don't like me? Mar 20 02:59:55 heh.. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 20 02:59:58 2010