**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 20 02:59:58 2010 Mar 20 03:00:57 or he doesn't like midget porn.. Mar 20 03:01:20 that's absurd! Who couldnt like midget porn?!? Mar 20 03:01:24 Blasphemy! Mar 20 03:22:05 em Mar 20 03:34:25 sup ppl? Mar 20 03:37:15 good evening Mar 20 04:39:09 hey, can anyone recomend their favorite apid apps? Mar 20 04:39:14 paid* Mar 20 04:39:33 also, does anyone know of a proper google voice app? i cant seem to find gdial pro in the app store Mar 20 04:39:59 Garage: go to #webos and ask there Mar 20 04:40:13 yawn Mar 20 04:40:28 sorry Mar 20 04:40:29 will do Mar 20 04:40:40 Hah, I don't care, but I know some people do ;) Mar 20 04:40:56 who knew ARM makes a good modern core wars platform? Mar 20 04:41:39 weird, im getting this error: ] == Cannot send to channel: #webos Mar 20 05:00:47 hey guys, been adding a couple things to ppp ifup_ and now my pre seems to hang on reboot Mar 20 05:01:01 as it's shutting down Mar 20 05:22:18 benklop: others have been noticing that too, with ez-ipupdate Mar 20 05:22:20 specifically Mar 20 05:22:31 you can do the same thing with curl or wget and it doesn' thang Mar 20 05:23:25 aha! yeah I'm doing thatfor opendns since ez-ipupdate doesn't support ssl Mar 20 05:23:59 here's what i put in mine: Mar 20 05:24:02 (sleep 10; /usr/bin/curl --interface ppp0 --retry 6 "http://USERID:PASS@members.dyndns.org/nic/update?hostname=HOSTNAME&wildcard=NOCHG&mx=NOCHG&backmx=NOCHG" >> /var/log/ipupdate.log ) & Mar 20 05:24:03 I'll just do it for dyndns too then. thanks! Mar 20 05:24:18 works fine and reboots ok, and you don't need the package installed Mar 20 05:24:25 why the sleep? Mar 20 05:25:07 i forget. i think there is some timing issue Mar 20 05:25:11 I like the idea of using a log, I'm dumping into dev/null Mar 20 05:25:15 like sometimes it wasn't actuall already up Mar 20 05:25:37 ah ok that makes sense Mar 20 05:25:50 yeah if nothing else you can at least see how often your IP addr changes :) Mar 20 05:26:21 sweet I like it when a problem isn't my fault and is relatively easy to solve Mar 20 05:26:26 haha yay. Mar 20 05:28:03 thanks for the help Mar 20 05:29:09 sure Mar 20 07:09:59 hello Mar 20 07:11:52 update to xorg-server (xterm uses this) to have better keymappings and whatnot :). just friendly FYI Mar 20 07:37:36 badddazzz Mar 20 08:49:45 Hi, does anyone know what ipkg configuration failure error is? Mar 20 08:58:41 tanaks: usually means you're not running 1.3.5 or later Mar 20 09:49:18 hi Mar 20 09:49:38 is it possible to install 'terminus' to emulator? Mar 20 09:49:52 I have not found it in 'preware' Mar 20 09:50:09 anybody alive? Mar 20 10:10:14 hi all Mar 20 10:15:00 hi Mar 20 10:35:47 are there any "must have" apps for the pre? Mar 20 10:37:56 well, mine :) Mar 20 10:38:23 aha. link? Mar 20 10:43:09 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/232614-meet-webos-devs-4.html#post2273550 Mar 20 10:47:15 playya_: the links in this post were broken, just fixed them Mar 20 10:50:27 ok. just installing maptool, because i want to start geocaching ;) Mar 20 10:55:39 add geocaching for webos too Mar 20 11:14:57 rwhitby or someone else with knowledge of AUPT, could I direct your attention to this thread please :) http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2318695&posted=1#post2318695 Mar 20 11:18:57 how can i get a linux command line in ubuntu? Mar 20 11:20:09 run gnome-terminal (I think by default alt-F2 brings up the run dialog) Mar 20 11:21:09 SqyArc: Thanks, I generally run windows, just installed ubuntu yesterday so i'm trying to get everything working with my device again Mar 20 11:21:19 cool :) Mar 20 11:22:13 SwyArc: From there do you know how I can have a root command line for my device Mar 20 11:22:22 without terminus or webos qi Mar 20 11:23:29 I think you need to install Novacom on your computer Mar 20 11:24:08 hang on... haven't used Ubuntnu for a while, I'll have a look around Mar 20 11:24:13 Ubuntu* Mar 20 11:24:35 SqyArc: yes i have novacom installed, have to for webos qi. thanks Mar 20 11:25:26 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/209396-novacom-ubuntu-9-10-a.html Mar 20 11:25:32 i guess my question would be on how to run novacom in a linux terminal? Mar 20 11:25:33 Looks like a step-by-step guide Mar 20 11:26:08 well that works, i'll do my reading. thanks again Mar 20 11:26:28 (the eventual command would be novacom -t open tty:// but there are pre-requisites) Mar 20 11:26:37 np Mar 20 11:38:08 SqyArc: LOL, all i had to do was type 'novaterm' in my command line and i'm now at root Mar 20 11:43:56 hah, well that's good to know for the future :D Mar 20 11:44:28 I used to use Ubuntu, but the later versions broke with my laptop's network adapter :/ Mar 20 11:59:20 lol yeah it's hella easy in linux Mar 20 12:02:33 morning Mar 20 12:03:12 morning Mar 20 12:03:14 egaudet, or anyone else that might know. is there a way for me to apply/test my own patch without actually installing it on my device? Mar 20 12:06:32 That's what the emulator is for I think, though I've never used it myself Mar 20 12:28:02 could anyone help me? I've installed Preware using all methods (windows, command line etc.) but when I launch it I get the message ipkg configuration file undefined Mar 20 12:28:03 any ideas? Mar 20 12:45:34 Mar 20 12:45:50 hellooo? Mar 20 12:49:02 * mjkjr wonders if while he was busy logging in and out if anyone answered his question about how to test install a patch Mar 20 13:06:35 egaudet: vkb used to look in ' /media/internal/virtual-keyboard/themes/ ', where are the themes located on device now? Mar 20 13:10:28 nvm Mar 20 13:51:17 is there a safe way to test my new patch on my device? Mar 20 13:53:13 * mjkjr is just going to install his patch via webos qi and hope all goes well Mar 20 14:03:55 no one cares, but my patch worked!!!! Mar 20 14:04:56 * mjkjr now knows that creating patches is easier than 123 Mar 20 14:07:45 heh.. congrats! Mar 20 14:08:02 :-D thanks Mar 20 14:08:46 I don't remember who it was but someone made an app that made patches. Mar 20 14:08:51 Think it was Jason Mar 20 14:08:52 Jason did, Mar 20 14:08:56 k Mar 20 14:09:19 I actually used it, lol. 'Unified Diff Creator' Mar 20 14:09:20 But it's simple enough w/o that/ Mar 20 14:09:25 cool Mar 20 14:09:47 there's also winmerge if on doze. Mar 20 14:09:55 or just plain diff on nix Mar 20 14:10:53 Jasons has proper formatting for these patches though.. so thats cool Mar 20 14:11:17 i've never tried to make one before but wanted to give it a shot. the UDC almost made it too easy Mar 20 14:11:30 true Mar 20 14:11:32 :) Mar 20 14:14:20 mjkjr: So what does your patch do? Mar 20 14:15:51 rm *.db3 Mar 20 14:15:54 :D Mar 20 14:17:33 lol x) Mar 20 14:17:55 lol Mar 20 14:18:05 ;) Mar 20 14:18:21 it just slightly modifies the preware taglines, didn't want to get to in depth on my first one Mar 20 14:18:36 Cool Mar 20 14:18:37 s/to/too/ Mar 20 14:18:38 mjkjr meant: it just slightly modifies the preware taglines, didn't want too get to in depth on my first one Mar 20 14:18:58 infobot: fail! Mar 20 14:18:59 well, fail! is an option Mar 20 14:19:10 lol Mar 20 14:19:23 ~botslap Mar 20 14:19:24 OUCH! That hurt, mjkjr! Mar 20 14:19:32 infobot: sorry Mar 20 14:19:33 * infobot appologizes profusely to everyone, points at the spammers, and says: "IT WAS THEM, THEY MADE ME DO IT!!!" Mar 20 14:25:05 hrmm.. Mar 20 14:25:32 packages doesn't like line breaks in Source Mar 20 14:25:50 * SiLlY_ learns something new everyday Mar 20 14:30:11 on a different note.. nice to know irssi doesn't go to sleep w/ the rest of the phone/ Mar 20 14:30:40 i loose ssh term but irssi's connection keeps on ticking. Mar 20 14:30:51 schweet.. Mar 20 14:30:52 :D Mar 20 14:32:30 anyone know at what level the phone goes into sleep? Mar 20 14:32:38 is it luna? Mar 20 14:33:05 gui? Mar 20 14:34:07 just wondering why I loose ssh but not irssi Mar 20 14:34:14 guess it could be wifi Mar 20 14:34:32 but that would kill irssi's connection Mar 20 14:34:34 hrmm.. Mar 20 14:36:01 * SiLlY_ is going to try to ssh via external ip. Mar 20 14:36:14 might be wifi is going down but evdo stays live? Mar 20 14:41:11 hrmm.. actually.. it doesnt shut it down. Just that annoying msg "power down" Mar 20 15:25:25 SiLlY_: there's a patch for that Mar 20 15:26:00 Just installed the 720mhz/800mhz patches for 1.4 Mar 20 15:26:00 for the msgs? Mar 20 15:26:05 yeah Mar 20 15:26:16 cool. Mar 20 15:26:20 "quiet powerd messages" or something Mar 20 15:26:28 Saves me from figuring it out. Mar 20 15:26:35 Nice. thanks bud! Mar 20 15:26:44 sure Mar 20 15:27:19 are you alpha testing 800mhz on 1.4? Mar 20 15:27:40 ahh.. I think i remember seeing that patch and thinkin.. "what powered massages?" Mar 20 15:27:45 heh.. Mar 20 15:28:37 SqyArc: What!? Mar 20 15:28:40 never came across this issue until i started using the pre as an irssi box Mar 20 15:28:54 :) Mar 20 15:29:01 yeah that's the only reason I knew about it Mar 20 15:29:12 why arent you using wirc? Mar 20 15:29:20 painfully small Mar 20 15:29:36 nice but I ssh to the pre for irssi Mar 20 15:29:46 SqyArc: have they been released or still testing? Mar 20 15:30:07 oh, I just ran it through terminal Mar 20 15:30:20 works pretty well Mar 20 15:30:39 kewl Mar 20 15:30:55 bye Mar 20 15:30:56 except terminal is broken now, isn't it? Mar 20 15:30:57 :p Mar 20 15:31:02 yeah Mar 20 15:31:03 it is Mar 20 15:31:14 using terminus for now Mar 20 15:31:16 not too shabby Mar 20 15:31:31 gets the job done Mar 20 15:32:38 ive only used it though for quick ipk installs. Mar 20 15:32:42 On the fly type stuff Mar 20 15:34:48 SqyArc: nvm, i see that i missed the signup now =( Mar 20 15:35:32 SqyArc: don't let the smoke out! Mar 20 15:35:34 lol.. Mar 20 15:36:55 I'm just gonna OC my pre emu and carry the laptop around. Mar 20 15:36:58 :p Mar 20 15:38:00 ah so SqyArc is alpha testing OC on 1.4...? Is your speed comparable to the video? Mar 20 15:38:03 wonder if I can mod the touchstone to charge my laptop?? :/ Mar 20 15:38:24 I'm running the 1.3.5.1 kernel, and it isn't even close Mar 20 15:38:58 "it depends on what you have installed" Mar 20 15:39:00 lol.. Mar 20 15:39:15 yeah I saw that Mar 20 15:39:30 i'm just not buyin it so much.. Mar 20 15:39:34 heh Mar 20 15:39:38 same Mar 20 15:39:51 :) Mar 20 15:40:20 I don't have many apps installed anyway Mar 20 15:40:27 59 patches, but so what Mar 20 15:40:32 yeah.. Mar 20 15:40:41 that wouldnt really change anything resourceful Mar 20 15:40:48 just edits.. Mar 20 15:40:58 i mean.. some might have a small impact Mar 20 15:41:04 depepdning on what is being edited.. Mar 20 15:41:07 but ya know.. Mar 20 15:41:24 when the official comes out.. Mar 20 15:41:38 im gonna test it on a fresh dr'd Mar 20 15:41:39 I wanted to do the double-doctor full-wipe and start from scratch, but Palm took down all doctor versions except 1.4 Mar 20 15:41:44 yeah.. Mar 20 15:41:51 that'd be good test Mar 20 15:42:00 oh.. really? Mar 20 15:42:04 hrmm.. Mar 20 15:42:10 what pisses me off is that I had v1.2.1 and deleted it a couple months ago Mar 20 15:42:16 eek Mar 20 15:42:24 I'll dig through my stuff. Mar 20 15:42:33 I'm bad about packratting(sp) Mar 20 15:42:36 heh Mar 20 15:42:46 heh me too Mar 20 15:42:59 when I run out of space, it's time for new HDDs Mar 20 15:43:05 lol Mar 20 15:43:14 too true! Mar 20 15:43:25 I have every email since 2000 Mar 20 15:43:33 doh.. Mar 20 15:43:34 lol Mar 20 15:43:40 on a dozen accounts including work Mar 20 15:44:04 yeah.. don't dare close the client. Mar 20 15:44:08 take forever to open Mar 20 15:44:13 MS outlook does anyway Mar 20 15:44:18 I archive annually Mar 20 15:44:27 at work Mar 20 15:44:33 at home I just use gmail Mar 20 15:44:41 cool Mar 20 15:44:47 i have to consolidate my emails. Mar 20 15:44:48 lol Mar 20 15:44:52 got too many accounts Mar 20 15:45:09 my gmail grabs from 5 accounts Mar 20 15:45:34 nice Mar 20 15:45:53 without meaning too.. i kinda rotate through them. Mar 20 15:45:55 weird Mar 20 15:46:07 when i'm bored of one.. it turns into spam addy Mar 20 15:46:08 lol Mar 20 15:46:29 gmail's spam filter is rock solid Mar 20 15:46:40 i'm gonna have to give that a shot Mar 20 15:46:51 never thought about having them pull my other accts. Mar 20 15:47:01 hell.. they handle everything else for me Mar 20 15:47:02 my address is all over the internet... no problem Mar 20 15:47:13 nice! Mar 20 15:47:16 i like that. Mar 20 15:47:44 if google was to ever flop.. i would be floppin around like a fish out of water Mar 20 15:48:13 we'd fall into the stone age Mar 20 15:48:17 lol Mar 20 15:48:54 did you ever see the video on onion about google privacy? Mar 20 15:49:18 and if Palm can't get their damn ad campain straight, we'll all be using android phones soon Mar 20 15:49:28 no Mar 20 15:49:32 http://www.theonion.com/content/video/google_opt_out_feature_lets_users Mar 20 15:49:34 check that out Mar 20 15:49:37 lol Mar 20 15:49:43 true that Mar 20 15:49:48 been eyeing the android Mar 20 15:50:26 not wanting to but it seems like the best alternative if in fact shit goes south Mar 20 15:51:22 mjkjr: Sorry, I missed your message - I think you may have missed the opportunity sorry Mar 20 15:51:48 GuinnessX: Caj2008 and Unixpsycho have asked me to make an 'official' video, so you will see for yourself Mar 20 15:52:00 GuinnessX: But yes, the speed is exactly the same as the other video shows Mar 20 15:52:28 GuinnessX: Particularly the browser loads stupidly fast - the splashscreen doesn't even have a chance to stand still, it swipes up and then immediately zooms into the app Mar 20 15:52:55 thats good to hear Mar 20 15:53:13 yeah it's cool :) So far I've only tested the 720mhz as there is a blip with the 800 code Mar 20 15:53:26 hahaha that vid rules Mar 20 15:53:30 lol Mar 20 15:54:12 SqyArc: sweet! Next Friday will be a good day Mar 20 15:54:30 Yeah.. I'll admit.. I'll be giving it a shot. Mar 20 15:54:37 That's what insurance is for. Mar 20 15:54:39 :D Mar 20 15:54:56 ...and then Palm will push 1.4.1 a few days later :P Mar 20 15:55:06 yeah.. Mar 20 15:55:33 The kernel is supposedly compatible with 1.4.x so hopefully a firmware update won't affect it Mar 20 15:55:39 Though I suppose we can't really know for sure what Palm will do/change Mar 20 15:55:44 ah cool Mar 20 15:55:46 speaking of wich.. I cant beleive they let 1.4 sit this long, broken Mar 20 15:55:56 but thats a topic for precentral Mar 20 15:55:56 lol Mar 20 15:56:15 yeah I didn't mi1.3.5.1 a bit Mar 20 15:56:24 er... didn't mind Mar 20 15:56:38 caj told me to downgrade so that I can run 800.. Mar 20 15:56:40 damnit wher'd half my sentence go? Mar 20 15:56:50 yeah I didn't mind dropping back to 1.3.5.1 a bit Mar 20 15:56:53 tried to talk me out of my vid capabilites w/ precorder Mar 20 15:57:00 i was like "umm.. nah!" Mar 20 15:57:23 I don't care much about video Mar 20 15:57:25 I love precorder for what it did in the time of need.. Mar 20 15:57:34 already have a digi cam I never use Mar 20 15:57:36 big props for sure! Mar 20 15:57:51 I hear ya. Mar 20 15:57:56 I use the hell out of mine though Mar 20 15:58:09 I'm seperated and we split the kids.. Mar 20 15:58:12 i know tmi.. Mar 20 15:58:21 but i send video all the time to mom Mar 20 15:58:23 etc.. Mar 20 15:58:44 I don't have kids and mom's dead Mar 20 15:58:49 how's that for tmi? Mar 20 15:59:06 sorry bout that bud Mar 20 15:59:25 yeah thanks Mar 20 15:59:55 i meant their mom (kid's) Mar 20 15:59:57 but yeah.. Mar 20 16:00:00 my wife thinks she wants kids when she grows up Mar 20 16:00:01 use the hell out of it Mar 20 16:00:06 hell no Mar 20 16:00:09 lol Mar 20 16:00:17 love mine but damn if ill do it again Mar 20 16:00:19 screw that! Mar 20 16:00:22 haha Mar 20 16:00:34 :) Mar 20 16:01:16 most ungreatful little bastards Mar 20 16:01:23 manipulative and selfish Mar 20 16:01:26 i love me though Mar 20 16:01:28 lol.. Mar 20 16:01:32 em* Mar 20 16:02:08 I'm sure I would conform if I had kids, but I vote no Mar 20 16:02:19 yeah.. Mar 20 16:02:21 lol Mar 20 16:02:23 has it's moments Mar 20 16:02:29 and I'm not ashamed to admit it's purely selfish Mar 20 16:02:29 :) Mar 20 16:02:45 nothing wrong with that, for real! Mar 20 16:02:46 hello Mar 20 16:03:09 lo Mar 20 16:03:22 my wife's 30, so I figure I only have a few more years of holding out Mar 20 16:03:36 eek... Mar 20 16:03:41 touchy age for a girl Mar 20 16:03:44 haha Mar 20 16:03:49 I'll be 40 soon Mar 20 16:03:50 :) Mar 20 16:04:08 my kids mom is 30 Mar 20 16:04:10 im 35 Mar 20 16:04:47 that 30 mark though.. that broke my x Mar 20 16:04:55 she was all fubar Mar 20 16:04:56 lol Mar 20 16:05:17 mine took it well Mar 20 16:05:22 cool Mar 20 16:05:55 even though I told her for years I was trading her in for a new model at 30 Mar 20 16:06:03 lol Mar 20 16:06:20 when they hit 40.. trade em in for two 20s Mar 20 16:06:35 exactly Mar 20 16:06:40 lol Mar 20 16:07:13 but not live-in. gotta keep them in an appartment somewhere Mar 20 16:07:24 that's a fact! Mar 20 16:07:38 only come over to screw and clean the house Mar 20 16:07:39 lol Mar 20 16:07:48 I need to start saving up Mar 20 16:08:19 whthe hell am I watching the NIT... Mar 20 16:08:24 why Mar 20 16:08:37 NIT? Mar 20 16:09:11 yeah, the loser's tournament... "battle for 65th" Mar 20 16:09:17 you american? Mar 20 16:09:20 ahh.. Mar 20 16:09:22 yeah Mar 20 16:09:46 so has anyone tried that cpu scaling app besides myself? Mar 20 16:09:56 knot eye Mar 20 16:10:02 me neither Mar 20 16:11:04 I'm running 1.3.5.1 until next weekend, then going straight to 1.4 @ 800mhz Mar 20 16:11:17 well it definitely works, scales down to 125000. I'd like to see it scale above 600000 though Mar 20 16:11:39 and if I can find webos dr v1.2.x, I'll do a full wipe first Mar 20 16:12:03 GuinnessX: are you implying the 720/800 will officially be out next weekend then? Mar 20 16:12:18 I'm happy with my battery life... can't see any reason to scale down Mar 20 16:12:30 yeah, according to caj Mar 20 16:13:25 not sure when it will be on preware, but he said testing will be done, and it will be released a week from yesterday Mar 20 16:14:07 well i could always use more battery life, no reason not to scale down when i don't need speed. I don't know if I'll try the 800, but I'm certain I'll be running the 720 ASAP Mar 20 16:14:41 I'm running at 800 now, and there is absolutely no problem with heat Mar 20 16:15:06 mine stays cold-to-cool at all times Mar 20 16:16:24 then again, I don't play any games Mar 20 16:16:30 or tether Mar 20 16:17:52 GuinnessX: that's good, my phone has got up to 42 which was too hot for me Mar 20 16:18:21 what were you running? Mar 20 16:18:52 for reference I'm mjkjr but am having issues Mar 20 16:19:17 GuinnessX: just doing some random stuff while on charge Mar 20 16:19:50 damn... I've never seen mine get much above 30 Mar 20 16:20:33 yeah, most of the time my device is around there. but when it gets to 40+ i'm wondering wtf Mar 20 16:20:55 hey SiLlY_, did you have a chance to look for doctor v1.2.x? Mar 20 16:21:42 my phone is a "new" refurb that I got about a month ago when my touchscreen died Mar 20 16:22:03 they seem to have reworked the slider, and maybe other hardware Mar 20 16:22:08 it's pretty solid Mar 20 16:22:31 it's going to be hard to find any doctor prior to 1.4 now, I wonder why Palm would do that Mar 20 16:22:45 but I'm still pissed because the button has a little wear and it's lighter colored than my last one Mar 20 16:22:55 like somebody wore it out before I got it Mar 20 16:23:05 oh, they took down the old doctor links ? Mar 20 16:23:13 yeah Mar 20 16:23:17 sure did Mar 20 16:23:35 interesting Mar 20 16:23:49 too many idiots trying to doctor and doctoring to the wrong OS? Mar 20 16:23:59 possibly Mar 20 16:25:19 GuinnessX: looking for it now. Have to plug in a couple old drives Mar 20 16:25:26 I might get lucky Mar 20 16:25:28 :) Mar 20 16:25:28 or maybe too many people doctoring back to 1.3.5.1 to overclock Mar 20 16:25:32 like me Mar 20 16:25:43 thanks for looking, man Mar 20 16:26:12 hi, cant install optware ssh packet. the downloads are - stalled - everytime Mar 20 16:31:36 tsutomu: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Setting_up_optware_feed Mar 20 16:38:46 what tools does webos-internals build machine use to make ipkg's ? Mar 20 16:44:16 thx 4 link Mar 20 16:44:41 but still hanging @ ipkg-opt install openssh Mar 20 16:44:55 downloading takes about 5 minutes Mar 20 16:46:20 don't know man... maybe a temporary network problem Mar 20 16:46:22 try later? Mar 20 16:47:02 wget over normal pc takes just few seconds -_- Mar 20 16:47:02 GuinnessX: you know more or less when it came out? Mar 20 16:47:14 ive got one dated 82309 Mar 20 16:47:53 so... how's aupt4 coming along? Mar 20 16:48:51 I think 1.2.1 came out in october Mar 20 16:48:56 1.2.0 just before Mar 20 16:49:15 what's theilesize? Mar 20 16:49:23 damn keyboard Mar 20 16:49:26 what's the filesize? Mar 20 16:49:31 Build Sprint.76.143 07 Mar 20 16:49:39 202,911 Mar 20 16:50:59 that's v1.1 Mar 20 16:51:10 but it should work Mar 20 16:51:33 I think anything before 1.3 fully wiped the pre Mar 20 16:52:02 k Mar 20 16:52:24 How do you want me to send it to you. Mar 20 16:52:32 You have an upload site preference? Mar 20 16:53:12 can you dcc? Mar 20 16:53:48 doubt it. I havent set up the pre to dcc yet Mar 20 16:53:55 port forwarding at router, etc.. Mar 20 16:53:57 if it's uploaded can you post a link? I'd like to have it as well =) Mar 20 16:54:04 haha Mar 20 16:54:12 lol.. Mar 20 16:54:18 yeah, anywhere then Mar 20 16:54:29 thats cool mjkjr. Mar 20 16:54:30 k Mar 20 16:54:51 i have almost every pixi doctor but only downloaded the 1.4 for pre (just got the pre a week ago) Mar 20 16:55:35 maybe I'll go ahead and do the full wipe & re-doctor to 1.4 today Mar 20 16:55:56 I'm curious to see if that fixes any of the bugs I had before Mar 20 16:56:20 damn.. even found my first hello world app. Mar 20 16:56:22 lmao.. Mar 20 16:56:22 i did all my "learning" on my pixi, so when i got my pre last weekend i got to do everything right Mar 20 16:56:27 old ass shit Mar 20 16:56:29 :D Mar 20 16:56:37 you did that? Mar 20 16:56:49 the night the first doctor was leaked? Mar 20 16:56:53 messin around when i first got the pre Mar 20 16:56:56 yeah Mar 20 16:56:58 lmao Mar 20 16:57:05 haha I remember you now Mar 20 16:57:14 oh no.. Mar 20 16:57:23 i didnt make that app.. Mar 20 16:57:27 i made my own Mar 20 16:57:28 oh ok Mar 20 16:57:36 lol.. Mar 20 16:58:05 I was glued to all the chatter when that happened Mar 20 16:58:14 yeah.. me too Mar 20 16:58:16 lol Mar 20 16:58:25 I still haven't done 'hello world' app but am going to, lol Mar 20 16:58:30 watching what I guess grew into webos-internals Mar 20 16:58:35 had to do my own just to get a feel Mar 20 16:58:37 lol Mar 20 16:58:45 yeah.. Mar 20 16:58:53 it's been an awesome ride, for sure! Mar 20 16:58:57 love this phone Mar 20 16:59:00 i love webos-internals Mar 20 16:59:07 not so much the phone but the dev movement behind it Mar 20 16:59:09 Palm better shape the fuck up Mar 20 16:59:17 this isn't supposed to end Mar 20 16:59:24 true true! Mar 20 16:59:26 *grins* Mar 20 16:59:34 sometimes you just have to deal witha abandonware Mar 20 16:59:48 lol.. Mar 20 16:59:49 true Mar 20 16:59:53 all in all.. Mar 20 17:00:01 s'll still have a kick ass little device Mar 20 17:00:16 I'm sure someone would buy the OS if Palm fails, but it probably won't stay the same Mar 20 17:00:30 it can only get better Mar 20 17:00:32 mini nix w/ wifi, keyboard, lcd, etc.. Mar 20 17:00:40 im happy either way.. Mar 20 17:00:53 but would love for webos to strive none the less Mar 20 17:01:53 I don't care if it strives, I just hope they last long enough for the feature phone -> smart phone conversion to become more widely spread Mar 20 17:01:55 I'm not very confident in the hardware lasting past the waranty, though Mar 20 17:02:13 I've had 2 fail already Mar 20 17:02:16 Basically once that starts happening anyone who has a smart phone becomes moderately successful just by proxy of existing in the market. Mar 20 17:02:50 Cell phone companies need to just say no more feature phones at all and start forcing customers into smart phones. Mar 20 17:03:18 wise words psykoz Mar 20 17:03:54 GuinnessX: ive been pretty lucky w/ hw Mar 20 17:04:02 * SiLlY_ knocks on wood Mar 20 17:04:22 I know I could have fixed my last one if I could figure out how to take it apart Mar 20 17:04:36 lol Mar 20 17:04:49 I'll try that next time if it's past 6-6-10 Mar 20 17:05:55 some people will never move from a feature phone though, they just want a "phone" lol Mar 20 17:09:12 yeah.. my mom! Mar 20 17:09:15 lol Mar 20 17:09:37 she had text and internet disabled Mar 20 17:09:49 they told her it's included.. Mar 20 17:09:54 she didnt care. Mar 20 17:09:59 "take it off!" Mar 20 17:10:04 lol Mar 20 17:10:18 mjkjr, no, by proxy of just phone prices for smart phones getting so cheap eventually all phones become smart phones and then there is a class of "smarter" phones Mar 20 17:11:16 they'll probably just sell the same phone to everyone, and the cheaper ones will just have crippled software Mar 20 17:11:16 psykoz: wow, i've never thought of it like that Mar 20 17:12:15 in a funny way.. im suprised the pre didnt strive at sprint. Mar 20 17:12:32 Nextel was good at jammin proprietary crap down your throat. Mar 20 17:12:39 good phone or bad.. Mar 20 17:12:45 you bought it! Mar 20 17:12:46 lol Mar 20 17:13:30 I hated my time with nextel Mar 20 17:13:39 work paid for it so i was limited to it. Mar 20 17:13:39 i started with nextel, my favorite and last nextel device was a bb7100i, 15 min to boot up Mar 20 17:13:51 It was like dumbphone torture! Mar 20 17:14:42 hey.. does this sound right... Mar 20 17:14:54 I just rar'd webosdoc.. Mar 20 17:15:07 best compression possible.. Mar 20 17:15:09 Palm really needed to get the Pre out before the wave of android phones started hitting everywhere Mar 20 17:15:25 oh.. never mind.. Mar 20 17:15:28 if they had launched Pre in March of 09 it probably would have done 2x better Mar 20 17:15:28 i refreshed Mar 20 17:15:56 Unfortunately it came out at the same time as all the gay android phones and Google just has a broader awareness of its name. Mar 20 17:16:09 psykoz, i agree. and advertising. Mar 20 17:16:10 yeah Mar 20 17:16:13 i do hope palm pulls through :( Mar 20 17:16:23 webos is so much better inside than android Mar 20 17:16:40 I knew about the Pre because i have always been a phone junkie. Mar 20 17:16:44 i highly prefer my pre over any android device, mostly because of webos-internals Mar 20 17:16:45 If it werent for that.. Mar 20 17:16:50 i would have never of it. Mar 20 17:16:53 until here recently Mar 20 17:17:18 heard ^ Mar 20 17:17:52 hrmm.. anyone know what upload site will accept a file this size? Mar 20 17:17:59 roguhly 200meg Mar 20 17:18:03 roughly* Mar 20 17:19:06 i had an android phone for a while but sold it because a) the constant fight over locking down vs linux access, and b) the near impossibility of stopping it from reporting everything I do to google Mar 20 17:20:16 That's another thing, we're having a generally privacy conscious group of teens growing up who've learned their lesson from facebook and google etc. I think we'll probably have a culture flip here in a few years of individuals more concerned about their privacy and probably straying away from google's services exclusively for that reason. Mar 20 17:20:32 which will include android phones Mar 20 17:20:57 it's nuts. Mar 20 17:20:59 you think? I really get the impression that nobody gives the slightest little crap about their privacy now, aside from a few people who are widely perceived as cranks Mar 20 17:21:21 careful.. or google will send the van! Mar 20 17:21:28 heh Mar 20 17:21:31 Oh no, most definitely our younger generation is going to be more concerned about privacy going into the future digital era Mar 20 17:21:40 i'm skeptical, but ok Mar 20 17:22:05 young teens are not notorious for learning lessons about consequences of their actions :) Mar 20 17:22:14 http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/01/11/surprisingly-younger-users-care-more-about-privacy/ Mar 20 17:22:37 lol.. Mar 20 17:22:39 most deff! Mar 20 17:22:53 I learned the easy way. Mar 20 17:23:31 hmm... this seems more about shielding from other users, than about being tracked, snooped on, etc Mar 20 17:23:37 I started on this venture pirating movies back when the only people that could get them where bootleggers. Mar 20 17:23:46 Privacy was of the upmost importance Mar 20 17:23:59 epv, I think all of that becomes even more radical when they get old enough to really care about those types of issues too. Mar 20 17:24:21 could be. i'd like to see some kind of widespread concern about it. Mar 20 17:24:37 when you're a 13 year old you don't understand the legal repercussions of having a gps tracking you all the time, you do undersatnd you don't want mom and dad to find out you sucked some dood off on the back patio though Mar 20 17:24:54 lmfao!! Mar 20 17:25:14 i think the problem is that the negative effects of ubiquitous surveillance aren't really immediately in your face Mar 20 17:25:41 unless say you're the victim of mistaken identity or identity theft or a misdirected police inquiry or something Mar 20 17:26:32 yeah, i guess i'm in favor of those "track your teen" things just because it *does* bring privacy issues to the forefront of one's consciousness at an age where it will make an impressoin Mar 20 17:26:41 "oh shit my mom is watching EVERYWHERE I GO in realtime??" Mar 20 17:27:00 then as they get older s/mom/google,boss,gov't, etc./ Mar 20 17:27:02 * halfhalo_T400 has spoofed one of those before Mar 20 17:27:09 unfortunately.. it aint just mom when you tweet the shit to the world. Mar 20 17:27:33 well i have zero sympathy for people who *willingly* expose all that stuff to the world :) Mar 20 17:27:48 most deff! Mar 20 17:27:51 even at 13 you should have half a brain cell to realize it's going to come back and haunt you Mar 20 17:28:28 i am constantly shocked by the apps that make that information readily available. Mar 20 17:28:36 but like, someday people are going to get speeding tickets because their phone's GPS tracked them going down the freeway over the speed limit, and then maybe there will be some discussion Mar 20 17:28:44 I try to understand how that could benefit anyone Mar 20 17:29:53 crazy world! Mar 20 17:29:58 :/ Mar 20 17:30:47 hell, online you will find me only in a few places as it is Mar 20 17:31:05 yep yep.. Mar 20 17:31:09 same here. Mar 20 17:31:22 It's the reason I chose this alias. Mar 20 17:31:29 Google silly and see what you get Mar 20 17:31:55 and i've been using it for years! Mar 20 17:32:44 Well, I use this alias on the sites where I don't want to give out my name, yet still want to be known. I have two others for lesser sites, and there are about 4 sites where I use my real name Mar 20 17:32:49 and one of those is a big ass forum Mar 20 17:34:41 gotcha Mar 20 17:35:15 halo is a pretty vast title so I'd say you're pretty safe Mar 20 17:35:17 :D Mar 20 17:35:20 * halfhalo_T400 slyky points to forums.notebookreview.com as the best place for notebook advice Mar 20 17:36:29 SiLlY_: sorry, been on the phone... I think you might have to rar again and split it to 100mb pieces to use rapidshare Mar 20 17:36:42 did you find out what other site limits are? Mar 20 17:36:48 i am currently sending it to megaupload Mar 20 17:36:53 ah cool Mar 20 17:36:55 about an hour left Mar 20 17:36:57 one piece? Mar 20 17:36:58 :) Mar 20 17:36:58 haha Mar 20 17:37:02 yeah Mar 20 17:37:09 aight Mar 20 17:37:26 im on RR in the carolinas. Mar 20 17:37:32 45 up sucks Mar 20 17:38:41 well hopefully they don't rape you on the monthly charge like Comcast does to me Mar 20 17:38:41 wathcing my lag on irssi and it's been about 1.50 - 2 Mar 20 17:38:42 lol Mar 20 17:38:44 :/ Mar 20 17:39:17 good speed though Mar 20 17:39:41 nah.. i'm lucky. I live right in front of our shop... about 1000ft. Mar 20 17:39:53 I think my monthly bill is now about $180 for internet & tv Mar 20 17:39:53 I ran fiber yrs ago to cisco routers.lol Mar 20 17:40:29 it was $120 not too long ago for the same service... they just keep creeping up Mar 20 17:40:38 like health insurance Mar 20 17:40:44 yeah Mar 20 17:40:48 like every damn thing Mar 20 17:40:50 lol Mar 20 17:40:59 except salaries Mar 20 17:41:07 true true! Mar 20 17:41:09 lol Mar 20 18:02:31 * mjkjr is trying to figure out something else that he could easily make a patch for Mar 20 18:03:15 my integrating of the brightness unlicked functions into the phone prefs failed miserably Mar 20 18:03:50 i'm not trying to do anything difficult or in depth Mar 20 18:04:16 well, my patch worked kinda Mar 20 18:04:19 who wants to try out my new patch? lol Mar 20 18:04:34 It successfully set the keypad brightness to a different value that the screen Mar 20 18:04:47 but then the preferences app overrode it Mar 20 18:05:31 I wish someone could figure out a way to reduce screen brightness below 0 Mar 20 18:05:40 magic Mar 20 18:06:02 below 0 is still pretty bright if you're laying in bed in the dark Mar 20 18:06:03 it still blinds me at night Mar 20 18:06:17 you maean 0? Mar 20 18:06:20 mean Mar 20 18:06:34 if I could get it below that, I'd be happy Mar 20 18:06:46 s/below 0/0/ Mar 20 18:06:47 mjkjr meant: 0 is still pretty bright if you're laying in bed in the dark Mar 20 18:06:50 lol Mar 20 18:06:57 heh Mar 20 18:07:53 yeah, I often wake up in the middle of the night and want to read for a while... which now means read on my Pre Mar 20 18:08:01 damn thing blinds me Mar 20 18:19:03 heh Mar 20 18:21:01 hey Mar 20 18:21:29 whats the easiest way to install the msging plugin Mar 20 18:22:11 download it and install via wosqi Mar 20 18:22:22 drag and drop Mar 20 18:23:09 okay Mar 20 18:23:16 whats this GNU shit i need to isntall Mar 20 18:23:41 not exactly sure what he has packaged in that. Mar 20 18:23:48 supposedly need that and the sysfiles. Mar 20 18:24:06 then.. the protocal of your choice Mar 20 18:25:00 wb Mar 20 18:25:20 do i need the newest WebOS Quick Install Mar 20 18:25:23 and where do i get it Mar 20 18:25:33 It is advised Mar 20 18:25:42 hrmm.. Mar 20 18:26:11 one sec.. Mar 20 18:26:14 looking for link Mar 20 18:26:22 i found it Mar 20 18:26:24 finally Mar 20 18:27:07 k Mar 20 18:27:09 cool Mar 20 18:27:57 preware wasn't loading im rebooting my hone Mar 20 18:27:59 phone Mar 20 18:29:16 GuinnessX: 9 minutes Mar 20 18:29:18 heh Mar 20 18:30:54 the instructions al awful Mar 20 18:30:58 are awful Mar 20 18:32:19 where do you find gnu patch in preware Mar 20 18:33:01 i think its in "all" Mar 20 18:33:14 all apps? Mar 20 18:33:30 the blue down arrow in wosqi Mar 20 18:33:46 one of them.. cant remember has "pre" "emu" "all" Mar 20 18:34:12 i figured it out Mar 20 18:45:10 GuinnessX: pm Mar 20 18:56:11 rwhitby, zsoc, or egaudet: lol, will my patch to main-assistant.js in preware need to be updated after a preware update? Mar 20 18:57:26 or anyone else that would know Mar 20 18:57:55 * mjkjr doesn't think that file would be affected by an update, but doesn't know Mar 20 19:08:22 hey Mar 20 19:08:32 i need some help getting the groupwise plugin to connect Mar 20 19:09:13 does anyone know how to reconnect to ev network either in dev mode or or after back from dev mode? Mar 20 19:13:42 he he, http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/237386-patch-preware-taglines.html Mar 20 19:39:16 SiLlY_: that was definitely webos doctor v1.1.0 Mar 20 19:39:25 I just ran it on my pre :) Mar 20 19:39:51 thanks man Mar 20 19:45:05 make stage always fails with „/srv/preware/cross-compile/rootfs/armv7/usr/lib/libpng12.so*“ nicht möglich: No such file or directory Mar 20 19:45:16 any ideas how to fix this? Mar 20 19:45:49 build libpng Mar 20 19:48:20 should ma stage depend on libpng? Mar 20 19:48:28 or stage on build Mar 20 19:54:35 stage? Mar 20 19:56:04 GuinnessX: Your welcome bud! Good deal! Mar 20 19:56:36 already fully wiped it and am reflashing 1.4.0 now Mar 20 19:56:49 w00t Mar 20 19:56:50 :D Mar 20 19:56:50 guess I'll run at 600mhz til next weekend Mar 20 19:57:13 and see if I got rid of any of the bugs I had in 1.4 last time Mar 20 19:57:16 after running oc'd.. hurts to go back, eh? Mar 20 19:57:17 lol Mar 20 19:57:40 nah, my pre couldn't touch the speed of that video anyway Mar 20 19:57:50 it wasn't much better than 1.4 @ 600 Mar 20 19:57:58 gotcha Mar 20 19:58:10 hopefully next friday.. we're all zoomin like that vid Mar 20 19:58:22 or.. Mar 20 19:58:25 is that when the 1.4 version is supposed to come out? Mar 20 19:58:27 and now I can send videos of the dog to my wife Mar 20 19:58:44 Tibfib: yeah Mar 20 19:58:51 Cool Mar 20 19:58:57 1.4 version of 720/800mhz Mar 20 19:58:58 we'll all end the world as the smoke from our pre's depletes the ozone layer. Mar 20 19:59:59 lol @dog vids Mar 20 19:59:59 :D Mar 20 20:00:02 caj2008's tutorial is terribly written... that dude needs an editor Mar 20 20:00:29 wtf does WOSQI have to do with flashing a pre? Mar 20 20:00:47 he mentions it several times but never says to use it Mar 20 20:00:54 link? Mar 20 20:01:01 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/225743-fix-what-considered-bricked-pre-caj2008-rules.html Mar 20 20:01:22 oh yeah, hahah that guide was lil off Mar 20 20:01:38 hey now.. he said not to troll on him cause he knows what he's doing! Mar 20 20:02:04 I'm pretty sure I just went through a couple of redundant/useless steps, but oh well Mar 20 20:02:09 :x Mar 20 20:02:14 lol Mar 20 20:02:16 Well hey, if it helps people.... Mar 20 20:02:17 I'm not trolling Mar 20 20:02:26 you should hear me talk to my friends Mar 20 20:02:33 lol Mar 20 20:03:28 What's wrong with just doctoring to 1.4? why the 1.2? Mar 20 20:03:50 PuffTheMagic, copying the libraries from the sysroot to the staging dir Mar 20 20:03:51 later versions of webos dr leave all kinds of files behind Mar 20 20:03:56 "residue" Mar 20 20:04:13 hmmmm Mar 20 20:04:22 you could always do a full erase and use 1.4, which should technically do the same thing Mar 20 20:04:26 playya: thats one way of doing it Mar 20 20:04:45 playya: you could add a package to the widk for libpng too Mar 20 20:04:47 earlier ones wiped it clean -- especially if you selected "full erase" in reset options Mar 20 20:04:48 if it dont exists Mar 20 20:05:05 but it's not possible if they are neither compiled not installed to sysroot Mar 20 20:05:07 i've learned that the "cloud" carries a lot of residue too. Mar 20 20:05:08 no, I did a full erase in 1.4 and it left a lot of stuff behind Mar 20 20:05:17 playya: what? Mar 20 20:05:24 yeah I'm sure the cloud does as well Mar 20 20:05:30 build libpng your self Mar 20 20:05:33 small packaged Mar 20 20:05:35 package Mar 20 20:05:37 only takes a few min Mar 20 20:06:47 the makefile doesn't compile libpng: http://pastebin.com/PyDiaZLP Mar 20 20:07:40 forget it... just go about hwo you were Mar 20 20:12:45 will someone answer if my patch to main-assistant.js would be affected by a preware update? Mar 20 20:14:39 GuinnessX: Do people really feel like they need to do all that work? Mar 20 20:14:47 re: the guide you linked Mar 20 20:14:55 It's for "bricked" pres Mar 20 20:15:10 mjkjr: I can test if for you on my emu. Mar 20 20:15:11 mine wasn't bricked... I'm just bored Mar 20 20:15:53 I've been sick for two weeks and getting stir crazy Mar 20 20:16:03 Do you even need full erase with the 1.4 doctor? Mar 20 20:16:15 I thought it wiped things by default Mar 20 20:16:35 destinal-home: afaik, it doens't wipe media/internal Mar 20 20:16:53 I had a lot of little problems with 1.4 even after I did a full erase and doctored 1.4 fresh Mar 20 20:17:05 no it doesn't wipe anymore Mar 20 20:17:15 siLly: I don't know how to send a file, but it's here http://bit.ly/ccVIjM Mar 20 20:17:40 k Mar 20 20:17:57 my emu is on 9.2 preware. Mar 20 20:18:10 i can add your pathc, update and see if it was overwritten Mar 20 20:19:05 awesome, thanks Mar 20 20:22:08 Hrm, how do I inhibit my phone from upgrading to 1.4.0? Mar 20 20:23:10 Mercury: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/236315-prototype-video-wosqi-720-800-mhz-os1-3-5-1-a.html Mar 20 20:23:14 step IV Mar 20 20:24:06 mjkjr: It looks like it stayed in tact Mar 20 20:24:19 from 2.9 to current Mar 20 20:24:49 GuinnessX: Hmm, that works. Will that work if it's already saying that it will install the next time it's charged? Mar 20 20:25:14 not sure... try it and see Mar 20 20:26:42 SiLly: Alright, thank you. I know it's kind of a silly patch, but it will get better lol Mar 20 20:27:10 Thanks, seems to be helping at least. We'll see in the longer run. Mar 20 20:27:48 mjkjr: every little bit counts. Mar 20 20:27:53 I like it. Mar 20 20:28:01 adds some humor to preware. Mar 20 20:28:15 seeing as im in it more than the actual phone app. Mar 20 20:28:16 heh Mar 20 20:31:44 SiLlY: thank you, that was my thinking too, preware is probably my most used app Mar 20 20:35:26 :) Mar 20 20:46:40 bah 1.4 sucks Mar 20 20:46:56 toss it out the door Mar 20 20:46:56 only took me 10 minutes to crash it after all that Mar 20 20:47:40 GuinnessX: it should be pretty easy to make a utility to wipe pre's from recovery mode, I wonder if it's worth it to people.. Mar 20 20:48:06 I guess brightness unlinked could be to blame... that's what crashed Mar 20 20:48:27 wipe what, though? Mar 20 20:48:45 media/internal? Mar 20 20:49:28 configurable Mar 20 20:50:46 well I might have used such a utility, but I think that guide is for people who wouldn't be able to get to the reset options Mar 20 20:51:06 right, this tool would be also Mar 20 20:51:18 ok sounds good Mar 20 20:51:52 especially since that guide is useless now that Palm took down all prior versions of webos dr Mar 20 21:22:11 anyone around ? Mar 20 21:53:03 is this still possible? Mar 20 21:53:04 http://groups.google.com/group/webos-internals/browse_thread/thread/bb0c8a092a7a02e6 Mar 20 21:55:47 hrm, weird. i made the edit and replaced the file, but it wouldn't start on its own with the new version.. but i was able to launch it by hand Mar 20 22:26:19 cool http://www.handlewithlinux.com/smallest-linux-pc Mar 20 22:30:20 hi all Mar 20 22:30:26 hello Mar 20 22:30:31 hola Mar 20 22:31:11 JayCanuck: Unified Diff Creator is amazing, I made my first patch today and it couldn't have been easier. Mar 20 22:31:20 :) Mar 20 22:41:14 hello Mar 20 22:41:20 hi Mar 20 22:41:49 is there anyone that can help with my tethering problem? Mar 20 22:42:42 i have everything installed and connected but im getting a limited internet connection or a no internet acces Mar 20 22:42:58 * halfhalo_T400 knows nothing bout tethering the pre Mar 20 22:43:06 damn Mar 20 22:43:16 anyone? Mar 20 22:44:05 tether: who is your carrier? Mar 20 22:44:16 sprint Mar 20 22:44:27 THOSE BASTERDS! Mar 20 22:44:30 oh, wait Mar 20 22:44:46 lol Mar 20 22:45:25 tether: sprint does not allow that Mar 20 22:46:19 i had mhs working before 1.4 so now i need to get mytether 2.1 working Mar 20 23:00:15 hrm, the messaging plugin patches wont apply, i guess conflicting with some other patch Mar 20 23:01:15 do you have the patch "tones per contact" or something like that? Mar 20 23:01:28 I know for a fact that one conflicts Mar 20 23:09:29 SiLlY_: oh yes, i do Mar 20 23:09:31 good call Mar 20 23:10:14 kind of annoying, that ipkg doesnt clean up the applied patches when it fails Mar 20 23:10:25 good thing it didnt get very far Mar 20 23:19:41 cxreg: yw bud. :) Mar 20 23:20:21 eew Mar 20 23:20:22 triliian? Mar 20 23:20:26 :x Mar 20 23:24:24 SiLlY_: that was totally the problem Mar 20 23:24:36 now, to remember what hostname $work's xmpp server is on Mar 20 23:24:40 good deal Mar 20 23:24:48 that i dont know. Mar 20 23:24:50 :) Mar 20 23:24:57 I had run into the same problem before.. Mar 20 23:25:08 i had to manually install tones patch Mar 20 23:25:20 pita Mar 20 23:25:21 :) Mar 20 23:26:21 i should learn more about how AUPT works Mar 20 23:26:48 would be nice if even when hand-patching i was "safe" Mar 20 23:27:09 true Mar 20 23:27:17 i imagine it's hard to do. Mar 20 23:27:27 nah, i think it's just a registry and uninstall scripts Mar 20 23:27:28 you just never know what palm devs are gonna role out Mar 20 23:27:36 ahh... Mar 20 23:27:36 yeah Mar 20 23:27:40 create a reverse diff, and you're good Mar 20 23:27:42 for the removals.. Mar 20 23:27:42 true Mar 20 23:27:50 yep yep Mar 20 23:28:05 i used to jot them down but.. Mar 20 23:28:12 it got too frequent for me Mar 20 23:28:15 heh Mar 20 23:28:24 i had a mega patch once Mar 20 23:28:25 lol Mar 20 23:28:52 but it never worked righyt Mar 20 23:29:00 it was just good at pointing out the errors Mar 20 23:29:01 lol Mar 20 23:34:29 heh Mar 20 23:45:22 man Mar 20 23:45:27 i want the app Poster Mar 20 23:45:32 but im in canada Mar 20 23:45:35 this is lame Mar 20 23:45:37 LAME Mar 20 23:45:44 LAME BEANS Mar 20 23:46:38 i want to be able to do blog entries from my phone Mar 20 23:52:26 entity-, you are aware that the phone has a web browser you can use to blog from right? :p Mar 21 00:20:00 or email Mar 21 00:33:10 So how would I go about porting an Iphone apps the the Pre? Mar 21 00:34:16 ? Mar 21 00:35:50 is your iphone app opengl based? Mar 21 00:36:33 Idk I used the Apple SDK Mar 21 00:41:24 how do i make duke3d work Mar 21 00:41:32 it keeps saying something about game.con Mar 21 00:48:01 Does anybody know the getCurrentLocale identifier string returned for the UK? Mar 21 01:03:10 en_gb is the answer Mar 21 01:05:31 doh Mar 21 01:05:43 was about to say that Mar 21 01:05:44 :p Mar 21 01:21:29 morning Mar 21 01:21:33 murnin Mar 21 01:23:16 evening Mar 21 01:24:36 tanaks: the reason why Preware is not working for you is because you are not running 1.3.5 or later. Mar 21 01:29:23 bpadalino: autobuilder uses the ipkg tools in preware/build.git/toolchain/ipkg-utils Mar 21 01:38:25 damn... going back to 1.4 again today was a mistake Mar 21 01:38:45 1.3.5.1 is so much smoother Mar 21 01:39:15 and I forgot that wifi will kill your battery while idle with 1.4 Mar 21 01:43:40 1.4 > 1.3.5.1 Mar 21 01:44:00 maybe, but too many bugs Mar 21 01:55:13 thanks rwhitby Mar 21 01:55:33 cxreg: the aupt install scripts do a dry run before applying any part of the patch. if the dry run fails, then no files are changed. Mar 21 02:04:45 oil: what's the best way to do the disclaimer screen for the add feed button? Mar 21 02:07:26 an alert dialog? Mar 21 02:09:38 * rwhitby considers doing some more work on org.webosinternals.saverestore Mar 21 02:09:56 saverestore? Mar 21 02:10:14 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Save_and_Restore Mar 21 02:10:33 I've started the C service. I need a Mojo front-end to start testing it. Mar 21 02:11:20 I need it to save my 3D game progress across doctoring Mar 21 02:11:32 lol Mar 21 02:12:02 eventually it should be able to do things like save the call log and texts and stuff Mar 21 02:13:29 for the UI, I'm thinking of a list of items, each with a checkbox, and then "select all" "save" and "restore" buttons on the bottom Mar 21 02:13:47 sounds simple Mar 21 02:13:59 the service supplies the list, and then the save and restore buttons just call the service once for each selected item Mar 21 02:14:13 that will allow for testing anyway Mar 21 02:14:55 I'm writing the script for glyder2 now ;-) Mar 21 02:39:55 rwhitby: so, was that you asking me to make the front end? Mar 21 02:40:06 lol Mar 21 02:41:13 i think my replacement pre is broke Mar 21 02:41:43 i was driving to chicago and had it charging while using gps Mar 21 02:41:53 drained the battery completely Mar 21 02:41:57 yup Mar 21 02:42:01 gps can do that Mar 21 02:42:03 of course RIGHT when i got downtown Mar 21 02:42:07 oil: no, just asking for your input on the UI paradigm for a saverestore app Mar 21 02:42:18 wtf is the poitn of having navigation if the charger can't even keep up with the dumb phone Mar 21 02:42:31 its the charger Mar 21 02:42:37 it's a palm charger Mar 21 02:42:39 oil: If no-one has done a front-end by the time I get some scripts together, I'll take a crack at it myself. Mar 21 02:42:39 its not spitting out enough power Mar 21 02:42:44 what you've got in mind seems good Mar 21 02:42:54 it also took around 2.5 hours for the phone to even get a gps lock Mar 21 02:42:59 though, personally, i think the webos checkboxes are ugly Mar 21 02:43:04 and i would go with a toggle Mar 21 02:43:13 But I'm presuming that there's heaps of webOS Mojo developers who'd like to get their name on the pre-eminent save and restore solution for webOS .... Mar 21 02:43:16 but thats just personal aesthetics Mar 21 02:43:19 ok, 2.5 hours is bad. Mar 21 02:43:27 oil: yeah, toggle is good Mar 21 02:43:34 whats this for then? Mar 21 02:43:48 well if it comes down to it, and you need someone who whip somethin out Mar 21 02:43:55 i've got your back :) Mar 21 02:44:35 now, I've done Need for Speed and Glyder2. Now, what's the most needed non-game saverestore ? Mar 21 02:44:46 newsroom Mar 21 02:44:48 !!! Mar 21 02:45:02 another game: Dungeon Hunter Mar 21 02:45:17 rwhitby: i would do it for the cookies and databases Mar 21 02:45:24 that apps store Mar 21 02:45:44 you could just get them all wholesale, they're all in the same spot Mar 21 02:46:48 * oil brb Mar 21 02:47:08 oil: yeah, I'll have a common script which does cookies and databases, and then just symlink it for a new app that only does those Mar 21 02:47:43 you should have a spinner in it and call it rimz Mar 21 02:47:53 heh, thats what I do in my app **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 21 02:59:56 2010