**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 29 02:59:57 2010 Mar 29 03:10:20 heyheyhey Mar 29 03:10:24 hey Mar 29 03:10:46 so i doctored my pre today Mar 29 03:10:58 google talk STILL wont work Mar 29 03:11:06 not only that, now i cant install preware Mar 29 03:11:32 devmode? Mar 29 03:12:11 of course Mar 29 03:12:20 i get the "Package Manager Service is not running" Mar 29 03:12:22 rror Mar 29 03:12:26 and you installed it? Mar 29 03:12:34 i've followed all the steps, all the fixes Mar 29 03:12:36 yes Mar 29 03:13:08 i've tried it without isntalling IPKG with installing it, installing it before preware, after preware, using EPR then reinstalling Mar 29 03:13:12 rebooting countless times Mar 29 03:13:27 nto to mention my google talk still wont work which was the reason for doctoring in the first plcae =[ Mar 29 03:13:33 you installed it with quick install? Mar 29 03:13:46 yep Mar 29 03:14:09 i dont know what to tell you Mar 29 03:14:16 =\ Mar 29 03:14:21 sorry :/ Mar 29 03:14:26 well any help with google talk not connection? Mar 29 03:14:31 connecting* Mar 29 03:15:15 thoguht it was the facebook patch Mar 29 03:15:22 uninstalled it to no avail Mar 29 03:15:34 tried deleting all my IMa ccounts Mar 29 03:15:39 then re adding them Mar 29 03:15:50 i doctored to fix it, but it still wont connect Mar 29 03:16:08 i know less about gtalk then i do preware xD Mar 29 03:17:04 guess im going to try doctoring to 1.4 again Mar 29 03:17:14 i did it to 1.3.5.1 before Mar 29 03:17:54 i trust it's okay to format the disk when it's in USB mode, yes? Mar 29 03:22:06 maybe i'll just try the .exe installer =\ Mar 29 03:23:26 has it been updated for newer versions? Mar 29 03:23:59 god i hope so XD Mar 29 03:24:11 as far as formating the /media/internal partition with windows Mar 29 03:24:17 i dont know if it works Mar 29 03:25:17 eh, whatever, doesnt really need to be formatted i suppose, i'll jsut delete everything manually Mar 29 03:25:37 doctor doctor gimme the news Mar 29 03:30:22 wtf, windows just disconnected my pre when i was doctoring it Mar 29 03:30:23 =_=;; Mar 29 03:30:30 damn thing just doesnt want to cooperate today Mar 29 03:52:03 rwhitby, what were the valid feed name characters? Mar 29 03:52:19 [a-zA-Z-_] ? Mar 29 03:52:24 oh, and 0-9 Mar 29 04:16:13 oil: [a-zA-Z0-9-] Mar 29 04:16:33 yeah, i looked in the logs for "a-z" xD Mar 29 04:16:39 why no _? Mar 29 04:16:52 is there anything else we want to keep out of the "name" field Mar 29 04:16:57 like "-disabled" or something Mar 29 04:17:10 no, any string of that form is fine Mar 29 04:17:23 the '_' is used to separate name and version in ipkg files, so we prefer not to use it Mar 29 04:17:29 a '_' would technically work Mar 29 04:17:47 ok, ill just keep it at that Mar 29 04:17:49 without _ Mar 29 04:17:55 cool Mar 29 04:18:06 put in that warning message too Mar 29 04:18:10 im not so sure about it though Mar 29 04:18:31 because it seems like we take responsibility for everything as long as they dont install a custom feed Mar 29 04:18:47 when we really arent Mar 29 04:18:51 well, for the most part Mar 29 04:19:23 i put in that message you typed out earlier Mar 29 04:19:24 "By adding a custom feed, you take full responsibility for any and all potential outcomes that may occur as a result of doing so, including (but not limited to): loss of warranty, loss of all data, loss of all privacy, security vulnerabilities and device damage." Mar 29 04:19:43 is that how we want to word it Mar 29 04:20:05 oil: just because we disclaim responsibility in one area does not mean we take responsibility in another :-) Mar 29 04:20:19 oil: have a read of the description for Save/Restore in Preware Mar 29 04:20:33 ok, ill just leave that in' Mar 29 04:20:40 yeah, that's good as-is. Mar 29 04:20:42 and put a cancel button Mar 29 04:20:47 i just noticed there was only an ok button Mar 29 04:20:47 lol Mar 29 04:20:48 perfect Mar 29 04:21:06 oil: BTW, take a look at Save/Restore - I spruced up the UI over the weekend Mar 29 04:21:25 yeah, i was going to check it out Mar 29 04:21:30 I'd like to get any tweaks that you think it should have in there before I move out of testing feed Mar 29 04:21:46 did you post newer screenshots? Mar 29 04:21:52 or should i install it in the emulator Mar 29 04:21:56 yep, http://bit.lt/saverestore Mar 29 04:22:01 it works well in the emulator Mar 29 04:22:07 http://bit.ly/saverestore Mar 29 04:23:21 it looks much better without the palm-group Mar 29 04:23:32 oil: and it supports the Notes app, just for you :) Mar 29 04:23:37 lol Mar 29 04:23:49 so notes aren't in the profile save? Mar 29 04:24:10 I don't believe so, but I might be wrong Mar 29 04:28:37 oil: tell me what you think of the toggles being revealed and turned off as the save progresses ... Mar 29 04:30:54 so when you click save or restore it disables all the toggles and hides them as it does it? Mar 29 04:35:07 is there any word on ogg support for the pre? I have seen some mention of some testing stuff, but nothing I have found actual code, patches, or anthnig like that on Mar 29 04:36:25 oil: it sets them from ON to OFF as it does each one Mar 29 04:36:47 and focuses on each one as it does it, so you can see the success or error message Mar 29 04:36:58 so its like staging what you want to save or restore Mar 29 04:37:15 if it fails on a save, does it keep it set to on for a later attempt? Mar 29 04:37:19 yes Mar 29 04:37:44 why not disable them as well so the user can't muck with them as its doing its thing? Mar 29 04:38:13 cause I didn't even know you could do that? ;-) Mar 29 04:38:46 the screen moves around so much automatically as it focuses on each one that you'd be scared to touch it Mar 29 04:38:52 .mojo.disable()? Mar 29 04:38:55 idk Mar 29 04:38:58 i know it can be disabled Mar 29 04:39:05 i.e. it's pretty obvious that it's doing stuff and you shouldn't touch it Mar 29 04:39:22 thats like when its updating and says not to remove the battery Mar 29 04:39:28 but dbsooner did it just to see what would happen Mar 29 04:39:33 lol Mar 29 04:39:49 does the command menu change? Mar 29 04:40:12 like when you click "save selected" does that switch to a cancel button while its working? Mar 29 04:40:26 no - these are all the types of things that I'm hoping you will bring. Mar 29 04:41:04 lol Mar 29 04:41:23 if the subscription to the service is caceled does the service cancel its action? Mar 29 04:41:41 cause if that doesnt work there is no reason to change it to a cancel button Mar 29 04:42:10 and im just thinking out loud for it Mar 29 04:42:18 not saying anything i say should or needs to be included Mar 29 04:42:36 like changing the select none button to just a "select" button Mar 29 04:42:54 that pops up a list of all, none, and invert Mar 29 04:44:42 what's good Mar 29 04:44:55 and eventually you may want to think about categories Mar 29 04:45:20 and how it should work with that Mar 29 04:47:06 is haeffb here? Mar 29 04:47:20 just wanna say thanks a million for agenda! Mar 29 04:47:27 ~seen haeffb Mar 29 04:47:38 oh, infobot is mia Mar 29 04:48:34 oh well.. Mar 29 04:49:13 rwhitby, what responses does addConfig make besides completed? Mar 29 04:49:15 this is what i've been looking for with the calendar. should have been included by palm as a view in calendar Mar 29 04:49:50 This messenging conversation in new cards patch really hurts the usability of the app Mar 29 04:51:06 question - do you guys know: is setTimeout truly an asynchronus operation or does a function calling itself recursively spawn child processes to infinite recursion? Mar 29 04:51:24 just wondering if this could become a memory leak in my app Mar 29 04:52:06 not sure how webkit implements it Mar 29 04:53:31 chrisa, yeah, i never see switching from contact to contact in that list as the slow part of txting or aim on the pre Mar 29 04:53:39 the slow part is typing a reply Mar 29 04:53:40 lol Mar 29 04:54:46 oil: what happened to me last night is I left gtalk logged in, phone alerts me at 6am when someone messages me Mar 29 04:55:02 lol Mar 29 04:55:03 To log off I had to close all conversation cards then start the messenging app again to get to the main ui Mar 29 04:55:23 what did simply launching the app again with the cards open do? Mar 29 04:55:30 just activate one of the already open cards? Mar 29 04:55:34 It just brings one of the conversations forward Mar 29 04:55:34 yes Mar 29 04:55:45 yeah, thats a bad implementation Mar 29 04:55:53 in wirc we have multiple cards per channel Mar 29 04:55:59 and you can toss the server list Mar 29 04:56:05 oil: there is a mojo loop which calls the service once for each script, so if the mojo loop stops, then no further scripts get run Mar 29 04:56:07 but relaunching the app will always bring up the server list Mar 29 04:56:19 fuse looks surprisingly easy to use Mar 29 04:56:46 so you could stop mojo frmo caling more at any time Mar 29 04:58:01 oil: for addConfig, you get completed or failed Mar 29 04:58:09 and thats it? Mar 29 04:58:12 yep Mar 29 04:58:38 oil: and yes, a cancel in the command button for saverestore would be good Mar 29 05:08:18 missed any response you guys may have given Mar 29 05:08:38 wirc causes luna restarts if the screen goes to sleep Mar 29 05:09:00 jdforsythe: that's a 1.4 bug, it happens with lots of different apps Mar 29 05:09:08 people have reported it happening with the app catalog app Mar 29 05:09:29 people who have *never* used homebrew have reportedit Mar 29 05:09:37 yes same here Mar 29 05:09:48 just happens in that situation every time Mar 29 05:10:12 if you have a 100% repeatable use case, then you need to contact Palm, cause they need one. Mar 29 05:10:24 I haven't been able to get a 100% repeatable case yet. Mar 29 05:10:30 even on rc1 Mar 29 05:10:52 i've emailed chuq about it Mar 29 05:12:05 fyi terminal causes luna restarts when trying to open it on rc1. never tried it on previous versions Mar 29 05:12:47 terminal is broken on any 1.4 Mar 29 05:12:53 ohok Mar 29 05:14:01 know of any good ways of editing my app on-device? want to be able to code on my phone while at work Mar 29 05:14:34 if I could get nano in terminal that would rock. or a gedit mojo app :) Mar 29 05:17:07 jdforsythe: we have XTerm in the testing feed Mar 29 05:17:43 ok i'll have to check it out. thanks Mar 29 05:19:54 jdforsythe: but it's in early alpha Mar 29 05:20:36 either way, i'm sure you could use another bug finder Mar 29 06:11:16 Hi all, quick question: In USB Passthrough Control, what are the default settings for everything? I managed to screw something up, so I'm trying to get it restored to stock, but don't know what stock is. :x Mar 29 06:26:24 Hm. Or maybe that's not my problem at all. Mar 29 06:27:52 Unable to novaterm in even with DevMode on, and unable to access in disk mode? Any ideas? Mar 29 06:28:46 If anyone is even awake. Mar 29 07:34:23 burrp Mar 29 08:56:49 Hey hi,, Can anyone give me some code snippet for accessing the help option of applicaton menu..?? Mar 29 10:26:19 off Mar 29 13:20:31 Has anyone tried to develop an app launcher manager to make it easier to manage launcher pages? Mar 29 14:25:15 sup all can someone point me in the right direction to get my theter Mar 29 14:25:53 >--- Mar 29 14:26:14 lol what's that ? Mar 29 14:26:20 -> Mar 29 14:26:30 I'm pointing Mar 29 14:26:36 I no lol Mar 29 14:26:50 ok website ect.... Mar 29 14:26:52 I'm fairly certain google would give you the answer Mar 29 14:27:01 in less time than it took to write teh question >.> Mar 29 14:27:37 no puter right now Mar 29 14:27:57 so I came here to ask than bookmark the link Mar 29 14:28:17 your phone doesn't have google? >.> Mar 29 14:28:40 nope Mar 29 14:28:50 it has wirc but no google Mar 29 14:28:52 I question that Mar 29 14:30:47 VincentLaw: funny guy you r Mar 29 14:31:13 mostly because I'd have to google to answer your question, so you might as well google it yourself Mar 29 14:31:13 >.> Mar 29 14:31:37 I got you Mar 29 14:32:45 was trying to get more than one device to work do you have any clue on that Mar 29 14:36:15 anyone Mar 29 14:41:16 morning all Mar 29 14:41:24 I'm feeling roarish... Mar 29 14:41:40 awww nick in use Mar 29 14:45:52 is mobile still out for sprint or gone ? Mar 29 14:46:05 mobile hotspot that is Mar 29 14:48:02 nt4cats: do you have any clue on this ? Mar 29 14:51:34 DrFunk: as far as I know Sprint does not allow/support mobile hotspot. Mar 29 14:51:43 DrFunk: ... but I don't claim to be authoritative on that Mar 29 14:52:23 well I was wondering if the files are still out there the ipk's Mar 29 14:52:25 DrFunk: when the vz mobile hotspot came out I hacked it to get it to work on Sprint, but only for fun. I already have a Sprint MiFi for when I actually need to connect my laptop to the interwebs via EVDO Mar 29 14:52:50 mifi ? Mar 29 14:53:23 so nt4cats noway I can do more than one device with sprint right now than is that correct Mar 29 14:53:37 DrFunk: You really need to learn how to use Google ;) http://reviews.sprint.com/5611v2/115/mifi-2200-by-novatel-wireless-reviews/reviews.htm Mar 29 14:54:21 lol I did that was asking about morn than one device that's all Mar 29 14:54:33 DrFunk: Sprint sells devices and service plans that let you do that (e.g. the link I just pasted to you), but AFAIK Sprint does not "allow" (by poilcy) you to use your Pre as a WiFi/EVDO bridge Mar 29 14:56:49 DrFunk: the MiFi lets you connect multiple devices ... I've never used more than 2 with it, but I think it goes up to at least 5 Mar 29 14:57:08 I no was just looking for the files did not see them so wanted to no if they were still out there Mar 29 14:57:26 * nt4cats shrugs in the general direction of DrFunk Mar 29 14:57:27 MiFi lololol Mar 29 14:57:46 * nt4cats wonders why Puffy is laughing at me Mar 29 14:58:14 PuffTheMagic_: can you tell me if the files are still out there ? Mar 29 14:58:23 what files Mar 29 14:58:47 the ipk's for hotspot Mar 29 14:59:14 I looked in testing feeds didn't see them Mar 29 15:00:27 why would they be there? Mar 29 15:01:06 bc that's were the fourms said they would be Mar 29 15:01:13 lol Mar 29 15:01:53 DrFunk: the hotspot app is palm stuff we cant host that Mar 29 15:02:12 palm/vz Mar 29 15:02:33 There was a tweet over the weekend about a "mode switcher beta". Can't find a reference to it on webos-internals.org ... I guess I should check the pre-release feeds Mar 29 15:02:40 ok Mar 29 15:03:33 too funny Mar 29 15:13:53 heyheyhey Mar 29 15:14:41 does anyone have any info regarding google talk issues with 1.4??? Mar 29 15:14:57 i just did a partial erase, then reloaded my gtalk account Mar 29 15:14:59 it worked Mar 29 15:15:13 then while it was signing into AIM, it signed out of GTalk Mar 29 15:15:17 and now wont sign back in Mar 29 15:15:27 worked for a glorious 30 seconds =[ Mar 29 15:15:43 i've doctored twice in the last day Mar 29 15:15:53 done a partial erase Mar 29 15:16:09 erased my backup inbetween doctoring Mar 29 15:16:22 im at the end of my rope Mar 29 15:20:08 why is it that i seem to be the only one persuing a solution to this? Mar 29 15:20:18 i've heard of it happening to others, but no one fixes it Mar 29 15:21:37 * hucksy uses jabber Mar 29 15:21:39 only Mar 29 15:26:10 it's pretty much the chat that i use most Mar 29 15:26:20 and it's really grating on my nerves that i cant get it to work Mar 29 15:36:49 dammit i guess i'm just goign to have to live without gtalk Mar 29 15:36:57 hope 1.4.1 or 1.5 fixes it Mar 29 15:37:34 hello, I have a question Mar 29 15:39:18 i wonder when we get 1.4.1 Mar 29 15:41:19 en0x: I'm already running 2.7 -- 1.4.1 is sooo last week. Mar 29 15:42:19 nt4cats, ;d Mar 29 15:47:31 I am trying to use the Palm PDK to create a plugin callable from Javascript and I am running into an issue calling PDL_Init, I have included the header file and linked to the libpdl.dylib, am I missing something else? Mar 29 15:50:12 what's the error / issue you're encountering? Mar 29 15:50:54 en0x: 2.7 supports trans-dermal hyper-halitosis. It's awesome. Mar 29 15:51:12 nt4cats, for sure it is.. too bad it is in closed beta :P Mar 29 15:51:35 Rick_work: Are you asking me or someone else? Mar 29 15:51:41 en0x: they didn't get the multifaceted graviton flux working very well (yet) Mar 29 15:51:50 asking you. No one else seems to be talking about anything substantive. Mar 29 15:53:09 Rick_work: Ok, I am getting a compiler error, "_PDL_Init" references from _SDL_main in downloader.o Symbol(s) not found. Mar 29 15:54:27 Rick_work: I am doing this from XCode, am I missing something that you are aware of? Mar 29 15:55:16 nt4cats, that's why it's still in beta good I don';t have to test it when it will come out of beta i will be happy ;) Mar 29 15:55:19 Well, the answer has to be "yes you're missing somthing" but I don't know WHAT you're missing. Mar 29 15:55:26 nt4cats, because most of the bugs will be fixed ;d Mar 29 15:55:58 Can you compile the sample? Mar 29 15:57:35 Yes, the red rotating graphics sample? Mar 29 15:58:19 ok good. then have you compared your includes to that? Mar 29 15:59:10 Rick_work: They don't include the PDL in the simple demo. Mar 29 15:59:43 good point. Mar 29 16:00:23 well, most of the guys here have been using the webos-internals dev kit instead of the PDK, so they may be avoiding jumping in for that reason. Mar 29 16:00:59 can you make calls into C from Javascript with the webos-internals dev kit? Mar 29 16:01:18 I am not familar with the webos-internals dev kit Mar 29 16:01:26 yes. but don't ask me how I'm not a binary guy at all. Mar 29 16:02:31 If chrisa is online and responds we might get an answer I don't think geist knows the pdk at all, he's a kernal guy, and I don't see any of the other palm guys on line except lemketron. Mar 29 16:02:53 Did you also post your question in the forums at developer.palm.com? Mar 29 16:25:08 developernotes: what do u mean calls into C? Mar 29 16:36:02 PuffTheMagic_: Javascript calling into C. Mar 29 16:36:25 that is what u said the first time Mar 29 16:36:25 elaborate Mar 29 16:36:34 r u trying to call arbitary functions from JS? Mar 29 16:36:46 cause that is never gonna happen Mar 29 16:37:20 you can make a C application that exposes dbus methods to JS Mar 29 16:37:32 which can do work and return a response Mar 29 16:38:02 PuffTheMagic_: Something like discussed in this forum post: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?sid=925ae66b9658fa523b256175e1f7fbbe&lastaction=login&f=70&t=5780 Mar 29 16:38:41 yeah that can be done Mar 29 16:38:47 but that isnt exaclly calling a C function Mar 29 16:39:51 PuffTheMagic_: Sure, it is tunnelling it through the Mojo stuff. Mar 29 16:40:14 PuffTheMagic_: Have you done something like this? Mar 29 16:40:17 StarCraft 2 Beta added! Mar 29 16:40:18 Click the box image to download the beta client. Mar 29 16:40:19 YAY! Mar 29 16:40:58 developernotes: i use services for this not plugins Mar 29 16:40:59 but plugins work too Mar 29 16:40:59 thats how terminal plugin works Mar 29 16:41:20 developernotes: take a look at freetetherd or ipkgmgrsrv in the webos internals git repo Mar 29 16:41:23 for examples on C services Mar 29 16:41:34 and look at termplugin for a plugin example Mar 29 16:41:55 PuffTheMagic_: Ok, will look at those, thanks. Mar 29 16:45:19 lemketron: PING Mar 29 17:33:12 does anyone have a clue how the missing sync does work? how can it access (all) contact data? Mar 29 17:58:36 They got a dispensation from palm. Mar 29 17:58:50 [; Mar 29 17:59:47 Rick_work: narf Mar 29 18:01:44 just reverse engineer the databaes :D Mar 29 18:08:57 Adora has joined the overclockers Mar 29 18:10:49 :) Mar 29 18:10:56 she overclocked her "spare" pre Mar 29 18:11:14 naaarfff Mar 29 18:14:57 en0x: you must be mistaken. Girls don't use Pre's, they use Pixi's. I've seen the Verizon commercials to prove it (and, note, those girls have to be Moms, too). Mar 29 18:27:30 * jacques wonders what percentage of pre overclockers will accept responsibility for their actions. Mar 29 18:35:15 (time to get in trouble): @adora is not a girl. She's a grrrl. a geek grrlll.... Mar 29 18:35:38 hi Mar 29 18:36:02 is the aeres-IDE still in development? Mar 29 18:40:17 jacques: what exactly constitutes responsibility? As in openly admit to overclocking to Sprint when trying to replace the device if it burns out? Mar 29 18:40:40 or perspective carrier Mar 29 18:41:22 karotte_exee yes, ares is VERY MUCH still in development Mar 29 18:41:49 Rick_work: do you know what would be really funny? Mar 29 18:41:57 wht? Mar 29 18:42:22 Rick_work: if the aeres-IDE would be aviable for webOs xD Mar 29 18:42:39 nodnod, that would be funny, but the screen is just too small. Mar 29 18:42:49 and C ++ support xD Mar 29 18:42:56 aamof, I don't OWN a screen big enough for me to be totally happy in Ares. Mar 29 18:42:58 why not? Mar 29 18:43:20 c++ support exists now. That's what the PDK is Mar 29 18:43:38 hehe, i know that this wouldn't be realized. but a funny idear ;) Mar 29 18:43:50 C ++ with aeres? Mar 29 18:44:07 C++ with the PDK, then ares can call the plugin. Mar 29 18:44:29 ? what have i do to use C ++? Mar 29 18:44:38 1. download PDK, right? Mar 29 18:44:44 then? Mar 29 18:45:18 then write and compile your c++ funcitons in the PDK and load the resulting binary into ares and call it from the JS in ares. Mar 29 18:45:41 hm... Mar 29 18:45:51 kk Mar 29 18:46:16 is the PDK working on Windows? Mar 29 18:49:22 Rick_work: can i develop with VisualStudio2005 and PDK? (on Windows) Mar 29 18:49:37 yep Mar 29 18:49:58 cool Mar 29 18:50:11 but... i have only the express edition Mar 29 18:50:44 so, is there a plugin to made a GUI with drag and drop? Mar 29 18:50:52 omg Mar 29 18:50:58 get your self a linux env Mar 29 18:51:00 and arm toolchain Mar 29 18:51:03 and program! Mar 29 18:51:41 PuffTheMagic_: im windowsfanatic xD Mar 29 18:51:49 nodnod. karotte_exee go to www.webos-internals and read up on the WIDK instead. Really. Mar 29 18:52:14 karotte_exee: well u are not working o a linux device.... get a linux env to work in Mar 29 18:52:16 ok Mar 29 18:52:19 karotte_exee but you're not programming FOR windows, you're programming FOR linux, the phone runs linux. Deal. Or buy the rel IDE. Mar 29 18:52:36 but you can use eclipse on windows if you have to run a windows IDE. Mar 29 18:52:46 yeah, that i know Mar 29 18:53:04 i only want to program ON windows Mar 29 18:56:05 arg! 10000 B.C. is a really bad film! Mar 29 18:56:07 there are great vim ports to windows :) Mar 29 18:56:21 what is "vim"? Mar 29 18:56:28 hah Mar 29 18:57:13 vi improved Mar 29 18:57:13 :D Mar 29 18:57:34 it's the default linux programming editor for people who don't use emacs Mar 29 18:57:46 aha Mar 29 18:57:48 if u have to ask what vim is u probalby aren't oging to like it :) Mar 29 18:58:08 that's the gist of the haha Mar 29 18:58:18 hehe ... maby ;) Mar 29 18:59:11 arg! this is so complikated! Mar 29 18:59:12 seeing this convo really hurts Mar 29 18:59:33 hurts so good?d Mar 29 18:59:58 my english sucks :( Mar 29 19:00:05 geist: i have a question that might be more up your alley than anyone else around here Mar 29 19:00:12 sure Mar 29 19:01:19 geist: i built ecls for arm and when i run it, it segfaults, gdb dont give me much and strace shows that its comming from an illegal argument from an ioctl Mar 29 19:01:41 what im wondering is if this could be related to some TLS register issue on the arm? Mar 29 19:01:41 well, fix the ioctl Mar 29 19:01:50 hmm? Mar 29 19:02:05 what tls register issue? Mar 29 19:02:30 well armv7's actually have a real TLS register and on older arms its emulated Mar 29 19:02:37 and i know its on in the kernel Mar 29 19:02:59 but if ther rest of the userland is built with arm5 clfags Mar 29 19:03:02 is this on a palm product or some other cpu? Mar 29 19:03:08 all the palm cpus have TLS register Mar 29 19:03:10 this is on the pre Mar 29 19:03:15 yeah, has TLS Mar 29 19:03:26 but, it's emulated so that you dont care Mar 29 19:03:46 the emulation strategy in the linux kernel is you branch to 0xffffffc0 and it puts the tls in r0 Mar 29 19:04:01 which either results in a mov from the tls register or an actual syscall Mar 29 19:04:38 also to be precise some of the armv6s have TLS. most of them. including the pixi (arm1176) Mar 29 19:05:13 idk... based on my googling that was the only thing i could think that might cause this issue Mar 29 19:05:20 nope Mar 29 19:05:25 maybe you should debug the ioctl? Mar 29 19:05:57 idk which one Mar 29 19:06:01 or how Mar 29 19:06:09 i have 1.5 tricks Mar 29 19:06:13 gdb and strace Mar 29 19:06:27 bb Mar 29 19:06:35 how about putting a breakpoint on ioctl()? Mar 29 19:06:57 and/or poke around in the source to find where it's calling it, etc Mar 29 19:08:16 there are only a few ioctls in the code Mar 29 19:08:17 it seems Mar 29 19:08:23 so that route might not be too bad Mar 29 19:11:35 it has to be FIONREAD Mar 29 19:38:34 hi Mar 29 19:38:41 im back ;) Mar 29 19:38:55 i have a strange problem with my wifi Mar 29 19:39:39 if i try to connect to our home-wlan. then my palm get always a "ip-configurationerror" Mar 29 20:05:09 anyone know of ereader with DRM supporrrt for reading books from B&N? Mar 29 20:07:02 Vote early, vote often! http://blog.laptopmag.com/march-smart-phone-madness-game-11-blackberry-9700-vs-palm-pre-plus Mar 29 20:07:23 already did Mar 29 20:07:35