**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 30 02:59:57 2010 Mar 30 03:05:04 rwhitby: save/restore looks amazing Mar 30 03:13:14 what's the best way to go about recompiling the WIDK? Mar 30 03:14:59 rwhitby: i can't find that part of the video where they discuss that Mar 30 03:15:33 zsoc: it's a one liner Mar 30 03:15:56 rwhitby: so in other words we still don't know much? Mar 30 03:16:13 zsoc: oh, it was in the Q&A near the end Mar 30 03:16:16 they just say "secure chroot jail where it can't do things that it shouldn't" Mar 30 03:17:55 Ok. I think it's actually good news. If it's a _complete_ jail, then clearly it needs to have access to various skeleton libraries Mar 30 03:18:39 yep Mar 30 03:18:52 I suspect they would just mount /usr in there Mar 30 03:18:59 * Mercury is looking forward to 1.4.1, if it actually happens in the next month or so. Mar 30 03:19:17 that would be excellent, then I could temperarily put anything i want anywhere i want, once the chroot is setup Mar 30 03:19:32 * rwhitby bbiab Mar 30 03:19:33 Mercury: looking at the past average of 1 per month, I would say the update would be soon Mar 30 03:22:13 zsoc: I hope so, and I hope that it actually fixes stuff. I'm on 1.3.5.1 with updates disabled, and I'd like some of the 1.4 stuff back. :) Mar 30 03:41:05 has anyone seen an issue with mail where it stops fetching new mail (other than inbox). I still get mail from the inboxes but when I go to my bacn folder, it shows nothing new for several weeks which is not true... Mar 30 03:41:08 strange... Mar 30 03:41:15 nope Mar 30 03:46:25 i've been getting strange network issues all over recently Mar 30 03:46:35 facebook app decided to stop working Mar 30 03:46:43 yeah, same here Mar 30 03:47:08 never refreshes. tried with both the standard app and the beta Mar 30 03:47:10 bacon folder ? Mar 30 03:47:14 sounds delicious Mar 30 03:47:19 It occasionally works, but half the time doesn't Mar 30 03:47:24 bacn, junk mail Mar 30 03:47:36 keeps the clutter out of the inbox Mar 30 03:47:39 not delicious? :( Mar 30 03:48:44 I want bacon.... Mar 30 03:49:49 not so much Mar 30 05:06:19 From twitter: "You guys need to vote for the @Palm Pre. Can't believe this race is so close. http://ow.ly/1smJv" Mar 30 05:09:22 I love how the descriptions next each phone give totally objective specifications with no possible chance of influencing the result ... Mar 30 05:11:56 i don't even know what that bb device is Mar 30 05:13:58 ya, never heard of it Mar 30 05:18:05 maybe those users never heard of the pre O:) Mar 30 05:18:57 poor htc hero Mar 30 05:19:03 came out and like a week later the droid came out Mar 30 05:19:15 it will be crushed in round 2 just like in rl Mar 30 05:19:38 look at me getting all emotional feeling sorry for this stupid poll rofl wtf, afk Mar 30 06:08:04 rwhitby: we try to build navit and relicing the for some not all of the SDL header and lib files are copied to the cross compile enviroment. Any idea why or heard about that happening. specialy SDL_image.h and the SDL_image lib in oure case Mar 30 06:11:09 hape_: add 'libsdl-image' to your DEPENDS line in your makefile Mar 30 06:11:57 it's separate, and looking now you don't have it in the current git, so perhaps that's the issue? Mar 30 06:14:50 dtzWill: Thanks for the hint. But here comes the intresting part. Mar 30 06:15:37 we both( noradtux and I ) rebuild our tc's from scratch. With no chnages. Just checkout. and he have the lib and I not Mar 30 06:16:04 The only differntc we found until now is the he is using debian and I ubuntu Mar 30 06:17:24 hape_: hmm, well add the DEPENDS anyway, it's the right thing to do Mar 30 06:17:34 hape_: not sure why noradtux would have it, sorry Mar 30 06:17:49 ok, will try Mar 30 08:15:29 hi! is there any app to show in a webpage my pre position? I will make a big travel and like to show my position to my friends Mar 30 09:45:44 where's the kernel sources for the overclock kernels btw ? Mar 30 09:45:58 and which kernel is it against ? Mar 30 10:16:30 yo anybody around? Mar 30 10:16:39 rwhitby? Mar 30 10:17:39 i'm very concerned with some open ports I see when using mytether app Mar 30 10:18:11 dbus, java, mdns are all exposed to the WAN Mar 30 10:21:21 oh and ssh Mar 30 10:27:57 bhuey: kernel source is on opensource.palm.com, and patch is on git.webos-internals.org Mar 30 10:35:09 has the terminal app for Luna stopped working with the latest pre update? Mar 30 10:35:19 because i can't get it to boot anymore...it crashes luna in fact Mar 30 10:49:27 oh you know what else happened...my unpriv user was deleted and replaced with oprofile user...had to read myself as uid 1002 Mar 30 10:49:34 readd* Mar 30 10:51:21 retry: that's why we use root and ssh keys now Mar 30 10:51:39 how's that? Mar 30 10:51:48 retry: yes, Terminal is broken for 1.4 - there's a $125 bounty to be shared amongst those that fix it Mar 30 10:51:56 heh Mar 30 10:51:58 retry: using the OpenSSH app in Preware Mar 30 10:52:01 glad to hear it's not just me for a change Mar 30 10:52:13 what's that? Mar 30 10:52:13 well that's great /sbin/MAKEDEV is missing on the pre Mar 30 10:53:01 openssh for preware is a luna app? Mar 30 10:53:07 or just using preware to install openssh? Mar 30 10:53:12 I use dropbear right now Mar 30 10:53:25 i installed it a long time ago with optware's ipkg Mar 30 10:53:40 retry: using preware to install openssh, all the dependencies are in preware now Mar 30 10:53:47 you might not remember rwhitby, but you helped me a ton getting preware and terminal on my pre Mar 30 10:53:58 i see Mar 30 10:54:04 retry: yep, it's much easier now :) Mar 30 10:54:12 easier but less edifying Mar 30 10:54:36 I like being able to have all my confs and important files where I know they are so I can back them up myself Mar 30 10:54:48 with ease comes loss of control Mar 30 10:54:57 speaking of backup, are you creating scripts for Save/Restore ? Mar 30 10:54:58 but sometimes it's a tradeoff worth making Mar 30 10:55:08 save restore in what sense? Mar 30 10:55:16 http://bit.ly/saverestore Mar 30 10:55:43 you might like to try XTerm from the testing feed too Mar 30 10:56:18 ahh neat that's a grand idea Mar 30 10:56:33 i think I might have to just dr my pre one of these days and start all over Mar 30 10:57:03 it's just too mangled at this point Mar 30 10:57:09 can't really tell what's my prob or community prob Mar 30 10:57:23 I hope to get to the point soon where I won't care if a Palm profile reset happens and wipes everything except the USB drive. Mar 30 10:57:36 hm yeah Mar 30 10:57:39 that'd be grand Mar 30 10:58:04 I need to get wifi settings insertable from the meta-doctor though Mar 30 10:58:07 i hope to get to a point where palm isn't going away and the pre becomes abandonware :/ Mar 30 10:59:02 you guys don't support mytether at all do you? Mar 30 10:59:25 is tethering still taboo here? Mar 30 10:59:41 kinda ridiculous since sprint allows it for other phones... Mar 30 10:59:49 nope, there are at least 3 carriers with tethering plans available now Mar 30 11:00:42 groovy Mar 30 11:01:19 i really like usb tethering...just these firewall rules concern me Mar 30 11:02:38 which rules? the Pre is fairly ok out of the box Mar 30 11:03:08 mytether sets iptables and exposes ssh, java, and dbus to the WAN Mar 30 11:03:25 also mdns but that might be normal Mar 30 11:04:10 i never made an iptables backup..now I wish I had one to see what else it messed with Mar 30 11:04:23 it removes my ssh rule that I set in dropbear's upstart script Mar 30 11:04:51 that's a bit rude of that application Mar 30 11:04:54 anyway I posted in their forum, so hopefully someone notices...I think it should concern anybody using that app Mar 30 11:05:04 i totally agree Mar 30 11:05:18 also the default iptables doesn't seem to be what my pre had at time of mytether install Mar 30 11:05:29 it seems to be whatever its notion of default ruleset is Mar 30 11:05:42 not surprising, since the application is developed in secret using closed source development. only one set of eyes is never enough. Mar 30 11:06:06 yeah Mar 30 11:06:20 if you're doing usb networking, why not use the open source freetether? Mar 30 11:06:31 is that in preware? Mar 30 11:06:42 ~testing-feeds Mar 30 11:06:47 ~testing-feed Mar 30 11:06:48 I was looking for something in preware but didn't find it...got mytether from google Mar 30 11:06:49 it has been said that testing-feed is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Mar 30 11:06:52 OH Mar 30 11:07:03 well that sounds worth trying Mar 30 11:07:19 source is at git.webos-internals.org Mar 30 11:07:25 groovy Mar 30 11:07:27 incidentally Mar 30 11:07:44 is /etc/pmnetconfig something that always exists on a pre? Mar 30 11:08:04 yep Mar 30 11:08:11 ahh Mar 30 11:08:20 what do you need to know? I have an unmodified copy here Mar 30 11:08:26 so then iptables-default.config IS the pre's ruleset Mar 30 11:08:50 moddate of feb 14th for me Mar 30 11:08:52 so that would make sense Mar 30 11:09:01 today I got this added iptables-usbnetmode.config Mar 30 11:09:09 that's the output of iptables-save Mar 30 11:09:14 and that's the ruleset that exposes the services I mentioned Mar 30 11:09:24 yup that I know Mar 30 11:09:30 can you md5sum it? Mar 30 11:09:35 yep, I have usbnetmode too Mar 30 11:09:45 oh you do? Mar 30 11:09:47 can you md5sum both? Mar 30 11:09:58 actually the counters might mess it up Mar 30 11:10:13 just wanted to avoid a pastebin /diff Mar 30 11:10:44 seemed like the usbnetmode one was added by mytether since the moddate is today Mar 30 11:12:55 think you could pastebin the output of iptables-save on your unmodded copy? Mar 30 11:20:17 the files will be created by PmNetConfig executable Mar 30 11:21:10 http://webos.pastebin.com/BLT6hwWe Mar 30 11:21:21 that's the usbnetmode one Mar 30 11:23:52 tyvm Mar 30 11:24:11 oh hey so that's the same as mine Mar 30 11:24:15 so it's exposing all those services Mar 30 11:24:28 ssh, dbus Mar 30 11:24:39 and java Mar 30 11:25:45 indeed it is Mar 30 11:26:36 well that's not good Mar 30 11:26:53 i wonder why it feels the need to do that for usb networking Mar 30 11:26:53 nope, not good at all Mar 30 11:27:03 so that's palm's doing? Mar 30 11:27:16 I believe Palm consider USB networking as a debug configuration Mar 30 11:27:32 ah like devmode Mar 30 11:27:47 perhaps devmode uses that ruleset? Mar 30 11:28:39 dunno. my carrier doesn't allow incoming connections anyway, so I'm not really fussed :) Mar 30 11:28:54 hm Mar 30 11:29:11 but yeah, it's something that should be characterised and publicised Mar 30 11:29:25 yeah i think so too Mar 30 11:29:46 idk about you but it's nearly 1:30am here in hawaii...and I'm moving back to the mainland tomorrow Mar 30 11:30:01 so I got other fish to fry right now Mar 30 11:30:03 only 10pm here :) Mar 30 11:30:17 I thank you for your time and help as always Mar 30 11:30:29 no wuckkas, have a good flight Mar 30 11:30:34 oh would that I could move to oz Mar 30 11:30:45 I'd be in brisbane asap Mar 30 11:30:53 or sydney Mar 30 11:31:06 or maybe melbourne Mar 30 11:31:23 i think like 4 of the world's most livable cities are in oz Mar 30 11:32:02 I've lived in Brisbane, Sydney and Mountain View, CA. I prefer living in Adelaide. Mar 30 11:32:20 i have a pretty good friend in adelaide...she's japanese Mar 30 11:32:35 you lived in mountain view eh? Mar 30 11:32:46 I used to live in SF for a few years before I came to HI Mar 30 11:33:08 anyway I'm off to Chicago Mar 30 11:33:23 be seeing you Mar 30 11:33:42 ciao Mar 30 11:38:33 * rwhitby adds Save/Restore support for Clock sync, Tweed and Scoop. Mar 30 11:57:45 gak Mar 30 11:58:56 looks like I'm headed for my first webos doctor session. email now has gone bonkers and I can't even properly remove/readd accounts now Mar 30 12:20:22 well this is odd. now the time is off. it is as if the phone is slowly dying Mar 30 13:21:17 jhojho: a good time to test Save/Restore then ;-) Mar 30 13:22:15 save/restore only detects 3 apps Mar 30 13:26:05 yep, each app has different requirements, and need to be individually supported Mar 30 13:49:25 Good morning everyone Mar 30 13:51:58 rwhitby: only the US version of NFSU is detected, not the euro version Mar 30 13:52:24 jhojho: ah, do you want to test if the same script works? Mar 30 13:52:49 you can update the program and I can try it I guess Mar 30 13:53:04 it should. I dont see why it would be different Mar 30 13:53:08 jhojho: is it com.ea.app.nfsuc.eu.efigs ? Mar 30 13:53:21 let me check Mar 30 13:53:56 well thats odd Mar 30 13:54:07 now everythng is blanked out Mar 30 13:54:26 oh wait. nevermind Mar 30 13:55:10 rwhitby: yeah I think that's it Mar 30 13:55:26 weird thing is the sims3 eu version is supported Mar 30 13:55:27 com.ea.app.nfsuc.eu.de ? Mar 30 13:57:05 rwhitby: com.ea.app.nfsuc.eu.en Mar 30 13:57:53 it seems that save/restore is not detecting drpodder for me either Mar 30 13:58:22 jhojho: interesting. what country is listed in your palm profile? Mar 30 13:58:35 us Mar 30 13:58:48 i think Mar 30 13:58:52 how do I check? Mar 30 13:58:53 but you have a GSM device? Mar 30 13:59:02 log into the web interface on palm.com Mar 30 13:59:32 cdma Mar 30 13:59:50 how do you have a .eu nfs then? Mar 30 13:59:57 (or shoudn't I ask) Mar 30 14:00:02 loaded the nfs out of curiosity but never got around to removing it =) Mar 30 14:00:23 didnt play and no interest either for anyone reading =) Mar 30 14:00:45 so for drpodder, I have a old install Mar 30 14:00:47 com.palm.drnull.prepod Mar 30 14:00:50 is what I have Mar 30 14:01:07 which is probably why it's not detected although it should be Mar 30 14:01:24 nope, it detects by appid, and that's not a valid current appid Mar 30 14:01:42 gak Mar 30 14:01:55 perils of being an early adopter. Mar 30 14:02:11 this email wonking out thing is really annoying Mar 30 14:02:18 now I cant even remove the account Mar 30 14:02:31 jhojho: are the gamesett and gamedata files in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/res_nfsuc/ ? Mar 30 14:02:49 weill its partially removed (all the folders are gone) but it still shows the accounts Mar 30 14:02:56 jhojho: that version of drPodder tracked downloads using a method that wouldn't work without being in the com.palm domain. And I had to move out of the com.palm domain to get in the catalog.. so, it's a pain, yes. Sorry. :( Mar 30 14:03:27 drnull: no worries. not your fault. this is the preware version btw Mar 30 14:03:57 sure. The new version is also available in preware as com.drnull.drpodder-hb, that's the one that save/restore will backup properly. Mar 30 14:04:07 rwhitby: no such /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/res_nfsuc/ Mar 30 14:04:30 drnull: yeah I just have to write down my settings before I erase Mar 30 14:04:57 you can at least export via OPML to keep track of which feeds you had. Then yeah, write down what has been listened to, etc. Mar 30 14:05:05 jhojho: sorry, /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.ea.app.nfsuc.eu.en/res_nfsuc/ ? Mar 30 14:05:44 yeah Mar 30 14:05:47 it's there Mar 30 14:07:30 jhojho: install save/restore, and copy /var/svc/org.webosinternals.saverestore/com.ea.app.nfsuc to /var/svc/org.webosinternals.saverestore/com.ea.app.nfsuc.eu.en Mar 30 14:07:40 then rerun save/restore Mar 30 14:09:37 seems to work Mar 30 14:09:41 but who knows Mar 30 14:09:44 how do I add support for save/restore in my app? does it work with cookie data? Mar 30 14:09:44 =) Mar 30 14:10:01 VincentLaw: it can work with cookie data as of 0.6.0 Mar 30 14:10:09 VincentLaw: what is the appid, and where does it store it's data? Mar 30 14:12:01 net.sorrowind.slots and it stores via cookie Mar 30 14:12:45 VincentLaw: do you have Save/Restore installed? Mar 30 14:12:58 not yet Mar 30 14:13:04 I'll do so now :p Mar 30 14:17:17 VincentLaw: put http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/saverestore.git;a=blob_plain;f=scripts/net.sorrowind.slots;hb=HEAD in /var/svc/org.webosinternals.saverestore/net.sorrowind.slots and then test Mar 30 14:17:44 or email me an ipkg file Mar 30 14:18:38 I can send you the ipkg, I'll give you 1.1.3 that's currently in review for updating. Mar 30 14:20:39 rwhitby: you have mail Mar 30 14:28:08 * mjkjr|wirc is lol at the overclock thread =) Mar 30 14:28:18 why so? Mar 30 14:30:27 VincentLaw: ok, it'll be in the next version Mar 30 14:31:25 just the posts and people taking things so personally Mar 30 14:32:13 like every american... nothing new Mar 30 14:32:14 :) Mar 30 14:33:17 rwhitby: great, thanks! Mar 30 14:35:21 rwhitby, so did you figure anything out? Mar 30 14:35:48 mjkjr|wirc: figure anything out about what? Mar 30 14:36:12 sorry, a card for apps? Mar 30 14:36:37 mjkjr|wirc: oh, yes. www.simon.com giftaccount Mar 30 14:37:20 I give a US address and phone number to someone I trust in the US. they buy one of those accounts with their credit card. i paypal them the cost (value + $2) Mar 30 14:37:39 the details are emailed to me, and I start using it the next day Mar 30 14:39:38 I have $14.46 left from a $50 card :-) Mar 30 14:41:01 pretty clever rwhitby Mar 30 14:41:01 only + $2? Mar 30 14:41:17 that's a good deal Mar 30 14:41:35 for 2 bucks u can barely get a snickers :( Mar 30 14:45:05 hell Mar 30 14:45:22 in 1996 an 8oz glass cocacola in switzerland cost nearly $6 Mar 30 14:45:32 i cant imagine $2 would buy you much in europe Mar 30 14:45:44 a small stella artois? Mar 30 14:45:46 haha Mar 30 14:45:50 buehehe Mar 30 14:45:59 u can get a little pack of tic tacs Mar 30 14:45:59 ;D Mar 30 14:46:32 le big mac Mar 30 14:46:48 w00t big mac costs $3.49 Mar 30 14:46:59 euros not dollars Mar 30 14:47:02 hahaha Mar 30 14:47:16 well u can get 2 mini whoppers Mar 30 14:47:20 last time i was in france Mar 30 14:47:21 for 2 dollars without cheese :) Mar 30 14:47:29 i got a super sized stella artois and a royale with cheese Mar 30 14:47:33 when i was like 15 years old Mar 30 14:47:34 haha Mar 30 14:47:38 hehehe Mar 30 14:47:55 beer at mcdonalds is excellent Mar 30 14:47:58 especially with no drinking age Mar 30 14:48:13 and hearing french men try to sing along with gangster rap was also incredibly hilarious Mar 30 14:48:30 moooo-their fooo-care Mar 30 14:48:39 smeeeth un waysonnnnnnn Mar 30 14:50:30 lol Mar 30 14:50:37 u r krazy Mar 30 14:50:51 i had my parents listening to it and laughing even Mar 30 14:51:30 also reminds me of being on the autobahn doing like 220km/h in an audi a4 turbo diesel Mar 30 14:51:44 and being passed by an 8 series BMW doing 300km/h+ easily Mar 30 14:51:50 flew by so fast it was like we were standing still Mar 30 14:53:45 thats why i like germany Mar 30 14:53:48 for autoban Mar 30 14:55:53 autoban? autobahn. :p Mar 30 14:56:29 whateva Mar 30 14:56:30 :p Mar 30 14:56:40 the autobahn has speed limits on most of it now Mar 30 14:56:51 it only has like a 60km stretch now with no limit i think Mar 30 14:56:52 or something Mar 30 14:57:03 just like montana Mar 30 14:57:19 you missed the chance to drive in montana without speed limits because the federal government bitch slapped them Mar 30 14:59:38 en0x: there are better things here apart from the streets ;) Mar 30 15:00:10 I like LA Mar 30 15:00:24 For the most part, no-one obeys the speed limit Mar 30 15:00:53 halfhalo_T400: are there any place where the majority DOES obey it? Mar 30 15:00:58 +s Mar 30 15:01:04 north korea Mar 30 15:01:18 Arizona Mar 30 15:01:24 Stupid Speed Camera's Mar 30 15:01:58 I was driving from LA to Phoenix on the 10 and all of the sudden there was a sign that said speed camera 300 feet ahead Mar 30 15:02:09 NOT cool Mar 30 15:02:09 you can usually fight and win speed camera tickets Mar 30 15:02:28 * rwhitby bbt Mar 30 15:02:31 If anyone ever comes to Cleveland watch out for the red liht cameras on almost every corner 8-/ Mar 30 15:02:38 Light* Mar 30 15:02:46 I don't have to worry about red light camera's Mar 30 15:02:47 they issue the ticket based on the registered person on the license plate Mar 30 15:02:58 It was my dads car Mar 30 15:02:58 :p Mar 30 15:03:10 so if you fight it and say that it wasn't you who was driving your car, they have no proof Mar 30 15:03:19 no proof = not guilty Mar 30 15:03:38 I may speed, but besides that I follow all ze rules Mar 30 15:03:52 including the stopping at stopsigns and redlight ones Mar 30 15:03:55 The ones in Cleveland take 2 pics. One of the driver and one of the plate. Mar 30 15:04:01 and the use your blinker one Mar 30 15:04:03 red light cameras I have no problems with Mar 30 15:04:23 if you run a red light bad enough to get ticketed by the camera, you were putting yourself in serious danger Mar 30 15:04:31 and others Mar 30 15:04:35 i drive like a german Mar 30 15:04:40 Those are no problem. It's the speed cameras that are annoying and those are all over Cleveland as well Mar 30 15:04:42 100% focused on driving... but excessively fast Mar 30 15:04:44 lol Mar 30 15:04:54 but speed cameras I'd ignore and just fight the tickets Mar 30 15:05:14 Yea it's hard in Cleveland because they snap a pic of the driver too Mar 30 15:05:24 Luckily, there are not many, if any, speed camera's here Mar 30 15:05:24 every other american around me on the road is like... smoking a cigarette while texting and drinking a starbucks latte while blasting horrible music Mar 30 15:05:31 only the CHP Mar 30 15:05:31 oh I havent noticed any speed cameras in MA Mar 30 15:05:36 and then you have these women shaving their crotches and putting on makeup while driving Mar 30 15:05:39 * loot- shakes head Mar 30 15:05:46 and I will get beat if I get a ticket from the CHP Mar 30 15:05:53 TheInvsbleMan: that'd be some weird camera trickery to get the right angle for a driver shot Mar 30 15:06:26 hehe i think i have more speeding ticket experience than all of you combined unfortunately Mar 30 15:06:35 loot-: blasting horrible music is the #1 cause of wrecks. I swear it's true. Mar 30 15:06:44 VincentLaw: I know. But somehow they do it. A friend of mine had a ticket mailed to him with a picture of him driving and his license plate # Mar 30 15:06:46 i have a file folder thats over an inch thick with tickets from 23 different states spanning a decade Mar 30 15:06:49 :P Mar 30 15:06:53 Rap causes Wrecks Mar 30 15:07:07 i have over 10 tickets for speeding in excess of 100 Mar 30 15:07:09 I have gotten one speeding ticket Mar 30 15:07:18 55 in a 40 Mar 30 15:07:36 well, I was going 60, but the cop rounded it down so I stayed in the lower bracket Mar 30 15:07:43 I got a 70 in a 65... for trying to pass someone. Mar 30 15:08:05 lol Mar 30 15:08:06 See... Here you go 70 in the slow lane on the freewat Mar 30 15:08:15 and 80 is the slowest in the fast lane Mar 30 15:08:17 i once drove through the entire state of utah doing 120mph+ Mar 30 15:08:28 and literally 1 minute after crossing the nevada state line got a ticket Mar 30 15:08:30 in CT i got a ticket for driving 100 in 55 zone Mar 30 15:08:31 haha Mar 30 15:08:37 they wanted to put me in jail for reckless driving Mar 30 15:08:51 halfhalo_T400: oh, it's no different here, except for this one like model-T car that didn't belong on the highway. I just happened to be today's lucky winner of a speeding ticket. Everyone was going as fast if not faster than I was :p Mar 30 15:09:09 I can't get a ticket for another 6 months otherwise I'm screwed Mar 30 15:09:20 i just got off probation Mar 30 15:09:23 under 21+ticket+insurance= really really high Mar 30 15:09:35 for reckless driving (in excess of 20mph over the posted limit) Mar 30 15:09:37 speaking of car insurance Mar 30 15:09:37 lol Mar 30 15:09:45 my car insurance was supposed to go down this year Mar 30 15:09:48 turning 24 = lower prices Mar 30 15:09:53 Halfhalo_t400: I know the feeling Mar 30 15:09:56 except I called them, and well, now the cutoff is /35/ Mar 30 15:09:59 my insurance is nearly the same cost as my monthly car payment Mar 30 15:10:00 :( Mar 30 15:10:09 and im over 25 Mar 30 15:10:10 en0x where in CT? Mar 30 15:10:40 But then again, I am driving a 2003 V6 Highlander, which ain't all stock Mar 30 15:11:07 i live in the city so its easier to drive a small car Mar 30 15:11:14 mobgod, hartford Mar 30 15:11:25 anyone no of a patch for aim so u can send files or pics Mar 30 15:11:27 also, holy crap this all is offtopic >.> Mar 30 15:11:32 Well, I live in A city. Mar 30 15:11:35 yup Mar 30 15:11:37 hartford is a bitch en0x Mar 30 15:11:42 i live in washington DC Mar 30 15:11:45 mobgod: no such patch, not even sure it's possible Mar 30 15:11:48 we have the 2nd worst traffic in the nation Mar 30 15:11:50 only behind LA Mar 30 15:11:53 I live right outside LA Mar 30 15:11:56 :p Mar 30 15:12:03 LA is actually not as bad Mar 30 15:12:07 en0x u libe in CT ? Mar 30 15:12:08 but you guys have more volume Mar 30 15:12:10 live* Mar 30 15:12:12 It depends on the day Mar 30 15:12:15 so they always call it the worst traffic in the nation Mar 30 15:12:19 time of day Mar 30 15:12:22 haha hartford CT... isn't that like the highest cost-of-living in the country? Mar 30 15:12:30 travel time per distance in DC is literally 4 times higher than LA Mar 30 15:12:30 mobgod, nah I live in boston I was coming home from my friend house... Mar 30 15:12:35 so IMO we have worse traffic Mar 30 15:12:44