**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 16 03:00:02 2010
Apr 16 03:20:10 <FuMan> happy to test
Apr 16 03:20:17 <FuMan> but ill be damned if i can figure out how to apply that
Apr 16 03:20:44 <FuMan> well i mean, if i can just vi it up and change it, i could do that
Apr 16 03:25:57 <sbromwich> that's all you need to do
Apr 16 03:26:03 <sbromwich> copy it to a backup file
Apr 16 03:26:08 <sbromwich> I've made a few more mods:
Apr 16 03:26:31 <sbromwich> JAVAMEM="${JAVAMEM:-15M}"
Apr 16 03:26:33 <sbromwich> JAVAMEMMAX="${JAVAMEMMAX:-30M}"
Apr 16 03:26:35 <sbromwich> JAVAEDEN="2M"
Apr 16 03:26:37 <sbromwich> JAVASTACK="2M"
Apr 16 03:26:39 <sbromwich> VMARGS="-Xms$JAVAMEM -Xmx$JAVAMEMMAX -Xmn$JAVAEDEN -Xss$JAVASTACK -classpath $CLASSPATH -DtimeZoneId=$TZID \
Apr 16 03:27:05 <sbromwich> that should do the trick... bigger stack size and bigger initial JVM starter size (if I'm reading the docco right)
Apr 16 03:27:14 <FuMan> although i may not be the best candidate... i don't get a lot of TMC anyway :>
Apr 16 03:27:19 <FuMan> but, ill apply it shortly
Apr 16 03:27:33 <sbromwich> me either, it was just something I noticed that made me think, wtf?
Apr 16 03:27:47 <sbromwich> it's a problem I've hit with java before, I was surprised to see it set so low
Apr 16 03:29:30 <FuMan> well ill apply it here in a bit
Apr 16 03:29:39 <FuMan> and ill watch it over time
Apr 16 03:29:49 <FuMan> im super pumped about all this low-level modding taking place :)
Apr 16 03:29:49 <sbromwich> okies :-)
Apr 16 03:29:52 <sbromwich> *grin*
Apr 16 03:30:01 <FuMan> i wanna get in on your kernel
Apr 16 03:30:10 <FuMan> something about having to battery pull every 15 minutes gives me some mahogany
Apr 16 03:31:11 <sbromwich> *grin*
Apr 16 03:31:33 <PreGame> is there tether talk in here?
Apr 16 03:31:59 <sbromwich> working on fixing the "hang on power up out of suspend" at the moment... getting closer with my latest kernel but I'm getting flicker in youtube again
Apr 16 03:32:18 <sbromwich> PreGame: sometimes, but I just use ssh myself
Apr 16 03:32:52 <PreGame> well i'm heading out of town tomorrow and i am wanting to get tether working for my laptop
Apr 16 03:33:11 <PreGame> mytether sucks monkey pubes and doesn't work
Apr 16 03:33:26 <oil> has tethering talk on sprint ever been ok in here?
Apr 16 03:33:49 <PreGame> i'm on verizon ;P
Apr 16 03:33:57 <ka6sox> okay there ya go!
Apr 16 03:34:31 <sbromwich> you could install nylon and use a socks proxy?
Apr 16 03:36:23 <oil> if you're on verizon, you should pay for a tethering plan and use that app they got :)
Apr 16 03:36:27 <webf> sbromwich: good catch on the javamem, i'll let you know if i run into any problems, but so far no issues.
Apr 16 03:37:09 <shawalli> isnt the verizon tethering data plan free now?
Apr 16 03:37:21 <sbromwich> thanks webf - I just posted a bit more for you to play with :-)
Apr 16 03:37:33 <webf> standby
Apr 16 03:40:05 <FuMan> uh
Apr 16 03:40:12 <FuMan> tether is free on verizon now O_o
Apr 16 03:40:17 <FuMan> via mobile hotspot
Apr 16 03:41:28 <sbromwich> webf: run /usr/bin/javahy -h
Apr 16 03:41:40 <sbromwich> dumps out all the possible options... having another bash at it now
Apr 16 03:42:27 <webf> nice, yeah i was reading up earlier on java memory thanks to your post
Apr 16 03:42:47 <webf> i'm willing to bet it won't make much of a difference with those two, but restarting now
Apr 16 03:43:47 <webf> any way to determine their default Xgcdelay?
Apr 16 03:44:32 <sbromwich> found some possibilities:
Apr 16 03:44:34 <sbromwich>  -Xgcnocopy use a non-copying garbage collection
Apr 16 03:44:36 <sbromwich>  -Xconservative use conservative collection
Apr 16 03:44:38 <sbromwich>  -Xexact use exact collection
Apr 16 03:44:50 <sbromwich> I think the EDEN stuff might be for a different JVM
Apr 16 03:44:51 <webf> and there's always aggressive
Apr 16 03:45:03 <sbromwich> sun's, specifically
Apr 16 03:45:12 <webf> gotcha
Apr 16 03:45:26 <sbromwich> -Xoomexit
Apr 16 03:45:39 <sbromwich> and there's the reason it bombs... exit on out of memory
Apr 16 03:45:48 <webf> yes
Apr 16 03:48:39 <PreGame> verizon doesn't charge for tether now?
Apr 16 03:49:21 * sbromwich is going to be risky
Apr 16 03:49:22 <sbromwich> JAVAMEM="${JAVAMEM:-15M}"
Apr 16 03:49:23 <sbromwich> JAVAMEMMAX="${JAVAMEMMAX:-30M}"
Apr 16 03:49:25 <sbromwich> VMARGS="-Xms$JAVAMEM -Xmx$JAVAMEMMAX  -Xgcagressive -classpath $CLASSPATH -DtimeZoneId=$TZID
Apr 16 03:49:32 <sbromwich> no logging, no oomexit...
Apr 16 03:50:03 <sbromwich> fail.
Apr 16 03:50:47 <shawalli> pregame: Im dont think they do...it should be listed somewhere pretty obviously on their site
Apr 16 03:51:02 <sbromwich> ah... not being able to type doesn't help
Apr 16 03:51:31 <sbromwich> JAVAMEM="${JAVAMEM:-15M}"
Apr 16 03:51:33 <sbromwich> JAVAMEMMAX="${JAVAMEMMAX:-30M}"
Apr 16 03:51:35 <sbromwich> VMARGS="-Xms$JAVAMEM -Xmx$JAVAMEMMAX  -Xgcagressive -classpath $CLASSPATH -DtimeZoneId=$TZID"
Apr 16 03:52:36 <webf> pregame: just google "verizon tether pre", they made the announcement a month or so ago, i think.
Apr 16 03:52:43 <caj2008> Steve I believe I am now blind because of your too many cards spost
Apr 16 03:53:28 <caj2008> Is that the largest Font size there is?
Apr 16 03:53:35 <webf> probably should start using pictures of ghosts and goblins to further scare people too.
Apr 16 03:53:50 <caj2008> I swear I am seeing red still
Apr 16 03:55:02 <webf> sbromwich: got distracted, yep, it def didn't like the EDEN stuff
Apr 16 03:55:10 <caj2008> Ateve, why dont you make simple patch for this?
Apr 16 03:55:59 <caj2008> SBromowich: are you there?
Apr 16 03:56:01 <sbromwich> caj2008: comic sans ms ftw
Apr 16 03:56:14 <caj2008> why not make a patch
Apr 16 03:56:23 <PreGame-> hi
Apr 16 03:56:29 <webf> because if it messes up then the network connections and phone service fail to start.
Apr 16 03:56:41 <webf> i just found that out ;)
Apr 16 03:56:44 <sbromwich> caj2008: the patch is in there, it's just reversed
Apr 16 03:56:46 <caj2008> Thanks
Apr 16 03:56:54 <caj2008> Oh I see now
Apr 16 03:57:00 <caj2008> sorry
Apr 16 03:57:19 <sbromwich> and stuff like this needs to be done by someone who knows what they're doing so they'll know what to do when, say, network connections and phone services fail to start ;-)
Apr 16 03:57:28 <webf> eeeexactly.
Apr 16 03:57:53 <caj2008> Interesting and true...but whatr abour people who now see too mch red (too much red eroor...lol)
Apr 16 03:58:35 <caj2008> I used to be told my warnings were severe...until I started to read your threads...rofl
Apr 16 03:59:18 <sbromwich> well, bearing in mind someone who doesn't know what they're doing can *really* break their phone without actually knowing it... this should only be done by someone with the technical knowhow to (a) validate and (b) back out
Apr 16 03:59:44 <caj2008> true but I think the same is true for kernels too
Apr 16 03:59:52 <sbromwich> webf here for example being a perfect example of someone who can manage it without an issue
Apr 16 04:00:13 <caj2008> wait until tommorrow!
Apr 16 04:00:13 <sbromwich> no, caj2008, the boot method I gave is utterly failsafe; pull the battery and the on-disk kernel is booted.
Apr 16 04:00:15 <webf> sbromwich: the logging just specifies HOW to log stuff, it might be good to turn the logging levels down?
Apr 16 04:00:24 <sbromwich> it's still logging?
Apr 16 04:00:26 <sbromwich> dammit
Apr 16 04:00:50 <webf> here: /etc/logging.properties
Apr 16 04:01:13 <caj2008> Thanks Steve...got any soltion for seeing too much red now though....?
Apr 16 04:01:19 <caj2008> lol
Apr 16 04:02:14 <sbromwich> webf: is it logging to syslog? I have that disabled anyway
Apr 16 04:02:27 <sbromwich> caj2008: blue tinted glasses? :-)
Apr 16 04:03:04 <webf> sbromwich: dunno, it's specifying a logging level to a palm specific function
Apr 16 04:03:22 <webf> to perfdata.txt
Apr 16 04:03:46 <sbromwich> good catch
Apr 16 04:04:21 <sbromwich> palm-webos-device / # find . -name perfdata.txt
Apr 16 04:04:22 <webf> there: /var/luna/data/perfdata.txt ... i think
Apr 16 04:04:23 <sbromwich> ./var/luna/data/perfdata.txt
Apr 16 04:04:25 <sbromwich> palm-webos-device / #
Apr 16 04:04:27 <sbromwich> yeah
Apr 16 04:04:30 <webf> yep
Apr 16 04:04:43 <webf> although it's not a busy file from what i see
Apr 16 04:04:45 <sbromwich> strikes me as something else to remove :-)
Apr 16 04:04:55 <sbromwich> well, anything that causes a disk flush is bad
Apr 16 04:05:09 <sbromwich> that's why I disable syslog unless I'm genuinely wanting to watch something
Apr 16 04:05:15 <webf> i will agree with you
Apr 16 04:07:16 <sbromwich> commented the hell out of the logging and restarted happily
Apr 16 04:07:25 <sbromwich> I'll post up a diff on that, good catch
Apr 16 04:07:44 <webf> ty
Apr 16 04:09:17 <sbromwich> aaaand it's up
Apr 16 04:10:20 <webf> yep, looking good here too
Apr 16 04:10:45 <webf> well, sorry gotta take off but i'll catch back up later after the weekend ... good luck.
Apr 16 04:11:01 <sbromwich> thanks :-)
Apr 16 04:11:48 <webf> and thank you :)
Apr 16 04:12:13 <sbromwich> that's... interesting
Apr 16 04:12:22 <sbromwich> it might be psychosomatic but camera seems to start up quicker
Apr 16 04:13:25 <oil> re your post: i don't think you can really "fix" the too many cards thing
Apr 16 04:13:26 <oil> lol
Apr 16 04:13:35 <oil> im sure itl still happen if you open enough crap
Apr 16 04:14:02 <sbromwich> well, I've seen a similar problem with josm, the java openstreetmap app, and -Xmx256M is the standard fix
Apr 16 04:14:05 <sbromwich> oh, it will
Apr 16 04:14:16 <sbromwich> there's only 256 meg of memory in the machine anyway ;-)
Apr 16 04:14:26 <oil> the fix is to open it up and stick in more ram :)
Apr 16 04:14:57 <sbromwich> just try and keep my hands reeeeeeeally steady on the SMT stuff ;-)
Apr 16 04:15:37 <sbromwich> hmmm... it seems anything using mediaserver is faster
Apr 16 04:15:39 <sbromwich> *seems*
Apr 16 04:16:01 * sbromwich *will* have the fastest pre in the world, dammit, even if it is all in his head.
Apr 16 04:16:33 <oil> well if its an improvement, wtg
Apr 16 04:16:46 <sbromwich> no real difference to preware alpha, but that's no great surprise
Apr 16 04:16:56 <oil> since alpha is c service
Apr 16 04:16:59 <oil> not java
Apr 16 04:17:01 <sbromwich> exactly
Apr 16 04:18:43 <sbromwich> music still plays fine
Apr 16 04:18:58 <sbromwich> albeit tinnily
Apr 16 04:20:36 <sbromwich> weather channel app seems markedly faster, though that could just be fewer people accessing the site at this time of night
Apr 16 04:24:42 <oil> im sure the weather channel has more then enough server power for anyone who would want to access it
Apr 16 04:24:43 <oil> lol
Apr 16 04:26:26 <sbromwich>  Originally Posted by mark2jas  View Post
Apr 16 04:26:27 <sbromwich> wait...wait... Can you guys tell us where to start please??? Tnx.
Apr 16 04:26:34 <sbromwich> what a silly, silly question to ask.
Apr 16 04:30:35 <sbromwich> again could be psychosomatic/less congested network but google maps seems to be displaying more quickly
Apr 16 04:30:54 <oil> google certainly has enough server power and bandwidth for everything
Apr 16 04:30:55 <oil> haha
Apr 16 04:31:17 <FuMan> the delay on googlemaps is brutal
Apr 16 04:31:36 <sbromwich> yeah, not much to be done there, it's the gps lookup that's the killer
Apr 16 04:31:50 <sbromwich> if there was a way to have almanacs on there or something like that it'd be quicker
Apr 16 04:37:10 <caj2008> Did you see iphone is doubling speed...will make it dfficult
Apr 16 04:37:24 <sbromwich> so it can not multitask twice as fast?
Apr 16 04:37:32 <FuMan> heh
Apr 16 04:37:37 <caj2008> will see
Apr 16 04:37:40 <FuMan> its blazing as stands
Apr 16 04:37:46 <FuMan> you won't see much change i imagine
Apr 16 04:37:59 <caj2008> it beats overclocked Pre as it is due to smoother OS
Apr 16 04:39:01 <caj2008> That OS is so much smoother when you open same apps on both phones
Apr 16 04:39:15 <caj2008> even when Pree is at 800 MHz
Apr 16 04:39:29 <sbromwich> have you tried disabling syslog, caj2008?
Apr 16 04:39:40 <sbromwich> I think you'll find the pre is faster than the iphone then
Apr 16 04:39:41 <caj2008> not yet
Apr 16 04:39:55 <sbromwich> reducing disk writes to a minimum significantly enhances performance
Apr 16 04:40:24 <caj2008> I made a video comparing opening similar apps with a bare 800MHz Pre and the iphone was way more smooth
Apr 16 04:40:49 <caj2008> I doubt it could beat iphone (OS more advanced)
Apr 16 04:41:02 <sbromwich> you can open a novaterm session and run vmstat 1 to see what's going on in terms of memory usage, disk access, cpu use, etc at 1 second intervals
Apr 16 04:41:05 <caj2008> I was so upset I dleted it
Apr 16 04:41:35 <caj2008> I used the most optimized kernel for the testing
Apr 16 04:41:56 <caj2008> try it yourself...no comparison
Apr 16 04:42:00 <sbromwich> I have.
Apr 16 04:42:23 <sbromwich> my pre is faster than a stock iphone.
Apr 16 04:42:56 <caj2008> I am not talking just about speed I am talking about operating system efficiency
Apr 16 04:43:00 <sbromwich> me too.
Apr 16 04:43:18 <caj2008> I ran the kernel you listed \
Apr 16 04:43:28 <caj2008> do you have a new one
Apr 16 04:43:33 <sbromwich> it's smoother, pulls data together more coherently, and multitasks better
Apr 16 04:43:37 <sbromwich> many.
Apr 16 04:43:50 <sbromwich> would you like to try tonight's?
Apr 16 04:44:03 <caj2008> somethings Pre is faster but most things iphone appears less clunky
Apr 16 04:44:11 <caj2008> my observations
Apr 16 04:44:23 <caj2008> and I hate iphone
Apr 16 04:44:32 <caj2008> SJobs, etc
Apr 16 04:45:00 <caj2008> tonites?
Apr 16 04:45:02 <sbromwich> I found the iphone to be extremely slow and unresponsive
Apr 16 04:45:06 <sbromwich> yes
Apr 16 04:45:17 <sbromwich> palm-webos-device bin # uname -a
Apr 16 04:45:18 * oil thinks the iphone gui needs an update
Apr 16 04:45:18 <sbromwich> Linux palm-webos-device 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #3 PREEMPT Thu Apr 15 23:15:48 UTC 2010 armv7l unknown
Apr 16 04:45:26 <oil> too bad palm did cards
Apr 16 04:45:32 <oil> and apple can't be seen copying someone
Apr 16 04:45:33 <sbromwich> http://www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage.caj2008
Apr 16 04:45:48 <oil> they have to do it differently, not as awesomely
Apr 16 04:45:52 <FuMan> i really gotta figure out this ram boot shit
Apr 16 04:46:06 <FuMan> i feel like im missin out on the bleeding edge
Apr 16 04:46:11 <oil> because the "they got that from webos" is not what they want to hear
Apr 16 04:46:28 <FuMan> iphone bottom line for me
Apr 16 04:46:29 <sbromwich> FuMan: I only know how to do it under linux
Apr 16 04:46:32 <FuMan> is its impossible to call anyone
Apr 16 04:46:46 <FuMan> terminal in osx all that different?
Apr 16 04:46:49 <sbromwich> it might work out of a VM under windows if you set up the USB right, I suppose
Apr 16 04:46:51 <sbromwich> that should work too
Apr 16 04:47:03 <FuMan> maybe ill dedicate some tomorrow time to that
Apr 16 04:47:07 <caj2008> The cpu and bus performance tests were superior on the Pre, but the iphone just appeared less clunky (3GS model)
Apr 16 04:47:21 <FuMan> are you dealing with scaling in your current test kernels?
Apr 16 04:47:48 <caj2008> got your download Steve
Apr 16 04:47:51 <caj2008> Thanks
Apr 16 04:48:14 <sbromwich> FuMan: default is, if I recall correctly, boot at 800MHz with ondemand frequency scaling by default
Apr 16 04:48:14 <caj2008> These kernels were constant frequency no scling
Apr 16 04:48:34 <sbromwich> caj2008: my kernels?
Apr 16 04:48:55 <caj2008> FuMan I thoughtn you were talking about the ones I tested against iphone
Apr 16 04:49:12 <FuMan> nono, talking about Steves
Apr 16 04:49:13 <caj2008> sorry for confusion
Apr 16 04:49:17 <FuMan> yeah caj2008, im currently running yours
Apr 16 04:49:30 <FuMan> wonderful stuff, but i wouldnt mind some battery life improvements
Apr 16 04:49:33 <sbromwich> ahhh
Apr 16 04:49:35 <sbromwich> yeah
Apr 16 04:49:39 <FuMan> nor sbromwich kernel crash fixes
Apr 16 04:49:57 <FuMan> er, luna crash fix i guess
Apr 16 04:50:00 <sbromwich> FuMan: you also need to add in the bootup settings which I posted to set everything up optimally
Apr 16 04:50:00 <caj2008> I will try Steves after completing my 3 month OS1.3.5.1 test duration
Apr 16 04:50:21 <oil> 1351?
Apr 16 04:50:23 <FuMan> where is this post?
Apr 16 04:50:26 <sbromwich> this kernel also has a fix for the hang coming out of suspend on power-on that's more reliable
Apr 16 04:50:32 <sbromwich> on precentral somewhere
Apr 16 04:50:38 <caj2008> I have had the kernel with no issue on one of m,y phones on OS1.3.5.1 with no hiccups for several months now
Apr 16 04:50:41 <oil> 1411 > 1351
Apr 16 04:50:48 <sbromwich> look for my posts with LOTS OF SHOUTY WARNINGS, they're in there
Apr 16 04:51:18 <oil> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/241999-possible-fix-too-many-cards-error.html
Apr 16 04:51:31 <caj2008> oh no I see red again
Apr 16 04:51:35 <caj2008> lol
Apr 16 04:51:50 <oil> vs the blue of your threads?
Apr 16 04:51:55 * oil sticks with black
Apr 16 04:51:59 <caj2008> I like blue
Apr 16 04:52:17 <caj2008> blue means good, red mean bery bad
Apr 16 04:52:27 <caj2008> lol
Apr 16 04:53:01 <oil> i've never heard that comparison
Apr 16 04:53:02 <caj2008> unless it is a title to catch quick attention
Apr 16 04:53:14 <oil> like [b][/b] tags around your title :)
Apr 16 04:53:20 <oil> that worked out
Apr 16 04:53:20 <oil> haha
Apr 16 04:53:32 <caj2008> I use blue for very postive things, red for warnings or major updtaes
Apr 16 04:53:59 <FuMan> anyone here happen to be testing Bubbles NaN player?
Apr 16 04:54:03 <caj2008> You know once you make thatn error it doesnt lett you change it, it is permanent
Apr 16 04:54:09 <oil> lol
Apr 16 04:54:36 <caj2008> I have used NanPlayer for over 32 months using my 800 MHz OS1.3.5.1 test Pre
Apr 16 04:54:45 <FuMan> hrm
Apr 16 04:54:46 <caj2008> 2-3 months I mean
Apr 16 04:54:49 <FuMan> i feel like thats too long
Apr 16 04:54:57 <FuMan> ahh, is it as gangster as it appears?
Apr 16 04:55:03 * oil will probably never use it
Apr 16 04:55:08 <FuMan> meh
Apr 16 04:55:11 <FuMan> i might not either
Apr 16 04:55:14 <caj2008> It is a great program\
Apr 16 04:55:15 <sbromwich> FuMan: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/241081-last-kernel-1-4-0-series-melt-your-phone.html
Apr 16 04:55:15 <FuMan> but that guy is a one man dev army
Apr 16 04:55:17 <oil> mostly because of all the whining that started out with his programming
Apr 16 04:55:21 <FuMan> i hope he gets to use it, at one point in time
Apr 16 04:55:45 <caj2008> whats this about, I am confused, explain
Apr 16 04:55:58 <oil> when he was using private apis
Apr 16 04:56:05 <oil> and palm was all "we aren't going to accept it yet"
Apr 16 04:56:10 <oil> and he got all "im taking my ball and going home"
Apr 16 04:56:18 <oil> blah blah blah, lots of crying
Apr 16 04:56:30 <oil> soured me to his app
Apr 16 04:56:31 <caj2008> Did youknow several Palm people love the kernel
Apr 16 04:56:34 <FuMan> hey, he isnt the only dev thats pulled that ;)
Apr 16 04:56:59 <sbromwich> I would expect most palm people love the kernel, it's how the phone boots?
Apr 16 04:57:22 <caj2008> modified kernel I mean
Apr 16 04:57:37 <sbromwich> ahhhh
Apr 16 04:57:47 <caj2008> I got several communications that were very positive
Apr 16 04:57:57 <caj2008> secret
Apr 16 04:58:04 <oil> then why bring it up
Apr 16 04:58:06 <caj2008> can go on record that way
Apr 16 04:58:33 <FuMan> im 99 percent sure
Apr 16 04:58:34 * oil brb
Apr 16 04:58:42 <FuMan> one of my local sprint stores has their pre overclocked
Apr 16 04:58:48 <caj2008> I was kidding lol, why issue a warning and point everyone where to doenload the dang thing
Apr 16 04:58:49 <sbromwich> I've punted some of my fixed back to palm, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them get rolled in
Apr 16 04:59:06 <FuMan> it had preware, and a few patches
Apr 16 04:59:08 <sbromwich> ^fixed^fixes
Apr 16 04:59:28 <caj2008> One executive has a twitter log of there positive experience, did you see that>
Apr 16 04:59:40 <FuMan> wasnt it adora?
Apr 16 04:59:56 <caj2008> several
Apr 16 05:00:23 <caj2008> That is funnt to me
Apr 16 05:01:10 <caj2008> I am sure Nexus 1 and other phones may all of this an afterthought unfortunately
Apr 16 05:01:53 <FuMan> wandy277 #PleaseDOntTweetIf u can't spell....just had 2 say dat b4 I hit da sack...
Apr 16 05:02:02 <FuMan> God I love twitter.
Apr 16 05:02:12 <sbromwich> *grin*
Apr 16 05:02:43 <caj2008> I cant keep up with all the twitter stuff
Apr 16 05:02:56 <cryptk> hey, can I make a wifi hotspot using freetether?
Apr 16 05:03:05 <cryptk> and if so, how do I do it?
Apr 16 05:03:22 <ka6sox> no se
Apr 16 05:03:24 <cryptk> I looked on the wiki page for freetether, but there is no info there
Apr 16 05:03:27 <caj2008> why no use my tether?
Apr 16 05:03:52 <cryptk> because I am a big FOSS guy
Apr 16 05:04:00 <FuMan> dev is a douche?
Apr 16 05:04:01 <caj2008> thats cool
Apr 16 05:04:02 <cryptk> and mytether isn't free
Apr 16 05:04:14 <cryptk> so I was hoping I can make a wifi hotspot using just freetether
Apr 16 05:04:19 <caj2008> I got mine for 10 and nver spent another penny
Apr 16 05:04:24 <oil> cryptk, i dont think PuffTheMagic believes in documentation :)
Apr 16 05:04:36 <PuffTheMagic> hey yes i do
Apr 16 05:04:39 <FuMan> heh, i had to look that open
Apr 16 05:04:40 <caj2008> works superb on this OS
Apr 16 05:04:41 <FuMan> er up
Apr 16 05:04:43 <FuMan> never seen FOSS
Apr 16 05:04:44 <oil> he hates it
Apr 16 05:04:45 <cryptk> oil: lol... I have noticed that
Apr 16 05:04:46 <oil> wants to kill it
Apr 16 05:04:49 <oil> >:)
Apr 16 05:05:04 <cryptk> FOSS = Free Open Source Software
Apr 16 05:05:12 <FuMan> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FOSS
Apr 16 05:05:16 <FuMan> never leave home without it
Apr 16 05:05:21 <cryptk> oil: would you happen to know if I can do wifi connection sharing with freetether?
Apr 16 05:05:26 <FuMan> although that new google dictionary "usage examples" thing is slick
Apr 16 05:05:30 <oil> PuffTheMagic is right there
Apr 16 05:05:37 <oil> he's the author
Apr 16 05:05:42 <sbromwich> cryptk: just use an iptables script to masq out, or use nylon as a socks proxy
Apr 16 05:05:43 <cryptk> ahh
Apr 16 05:05:46 <caj2008> free tethr is till illegal by Palm
Apr 16 05:05:55 <FuMan> aalllllllllllright
Apr 16 05:06:02 <FuMan> Night kids, keep up the slick work :)
Apr 16 05:06:13 <caj2008> gnite
Apr 16 05:06:17 <cryptk> caj2008: in that case MyTether would be illegal by palm also
Apr 16 05:06:20 <sbromwich> good call FuMan, I'm out too
Apr 16 05:06:23 <sbromwich> night
Apr 16 05:06:36 <caj2008> overclocking was illegal but that didnt stop us
Apr 16 05:06:55 <caj2008> Steve you too are a rebel
Apr 16 05:07:08 <oil> he also are a rebel?
Apr 16 05:07:17 <caj2008> you too will be on most wanted lists by the FBI
Apr 16 05:08:31 <cryptk> sbromwich: would you care to elaborate on what you said?
Apr 16 05:08:59 <caj2008> he went to bed
Apr 16 05:12:54 <cryptk> wow... gonna take me 25 minutes to download the SDK... all just for novacom...
Apr 16 05:12:55 <caj2008> cryptk isnt there a MHS solution for OS1.4.1.1 posted on threads?
Apr 16 05:13:44 <cryptk> caj2008: haven't seen one yet but I am still looking
Apr 16 05:14:13 <caj2008> I thought I read baout one and free tether may not be necessary
Apr 16 05:14:44 <caj2008> chrck it out..have a great night
Apr 16 05:19:43 <oil> http://www.walyou.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/the-flash-iphone-ipad-spoof.jpg
Apr 16 05:19:45 <oil> lolols
Apr 16 05:25:07 <besimorhino> hi all
Apr 16 05:25:36 <besimorhino> anyone still using the ipkg alternate sources?
Apr 16 05:25:43 <besimorhino> if so, how do I get those setup?
Apr 16 05:27:58 <besimorhino> hello?  anyone there?
Apr 16 05:28:21 * oil is, but has no clue what you're on about, so isn't responding with answers
Apr 16 05:28:57 <ka6sox> is it save?
Apr 16 05:29:04 <ka6sox> is it safe now?
Apr 16 05:29:41 <besimorhino> ka6sox: that's kinda what I'm asking... they would OTA update you to wipe stuff you did
Apr 16 05:30:06 <besimorhino> ka6sox: was wondering if it's possible to put userland apps like nmap back on the pre
Apr 16 05:30:35 <ka6sox> if they are in optware or preware then yes
Apr 16 05:31:24 <besimorhino> have preware... checking optware now
Apr 16 05:31:28 <besimorhino> thanks
Apr 16 05:32:09 <besimorhino> hmm
Apr 16 05:32:39 <besimorhino> looks like optware is the win!
Apr 16 05:32:47 <ka6sox> optware FTW!
Apr 16 05:32:52 <ka6sox> its good stuff.
Apr 16 05:37:55 <besimorhino> ka6sox: so are you running it?
Apr 16 05:38:20 <besimorhino> and you're not getting a OTA update pushed down which undoes your work?
Apr 16 05:38:25 <ka6sox> besimorhino, have been for 5yrs
Apr 16 05:38:28 * besimorhino was happening to me for some reason
Apr 16 05:38:44 <besimorhino> ka6sox: I mean on the Pre
Apr 16 05:38:52 <besimorhino> i've ran it on the slug
Apr 16 05:39:00 <besimorhino> so I'm familiar with optware
Apr 16 05:39:14 <ka6sox> not on the Pre yet.
Apr 16 05:39:44 <besimorhino> ah.  ok
Apr 16 05:39:56 <besimorhino> well thanks for reminding me of ipkg-opt
Apr 16 05:39:59 <besimorhino> :-)
Apr 16 05:40:12 <ka6sox> you need to use save/restore
Apr 16 05:40:37 <ka6sox> that will rebuild everything after a OTA update.
Apr 16 05:40:48 <ka6sox> its a preware app.
Apr 16 05:43:08 <bhuey> bah, arguing with iPhone robots
Apr 16 05:44:49 <ka6sox> back to figuring out why this temp sensor module doesn't work.
Apr 16 05:45:15 <besimorhino> ka6sox: thanks.  looking for save/restore in preware packages now
Apr 16 05:45:29 <ka6sox> it may be in the testing feed.
Apr 16 05:47:06 <besimorhino> ka6sox: omg!  This is as easy as teh slug!  thanks so much!!  :-)
Apr 16 05:47:56 <ka6sox> besimorhino, enjoy
Apr 16 05:48:15 <pepelepu> i'm trying to install preware what I need to do ?
Apr 16 05:48:27 <oil> google "how do i install preware"
Apr 16 05:48:29 <oil> :)
Apr 16 05:48:40 <pepelepu> cool
Apr 16 05:48:48 <besimorhino> pepelepu: yep... 's how I got it on.
Apr 16 05:48:49 <oil> im sure you'll find something good
Apr 16 05:49:00 <besimorhino> once you have preware, you're home free
Apr 16 05:49:35 <pepelepu> i had it but it doesn't run
Apr 16 05:50:15 <besimorhino> well you need to use a loader program from a computer
Apr 16 05:50:22 <besimorhino> then it will install to your pre
Apr 16 05:50:26 <besimorhino> then you can run it
Apr 16 05:51:45 <besimorhino> well thanks again ka6sox.
Apr 16 05:51:49 <besimorhino> g'night all
Apr 16 05:52:02 <ka6sox> nite...I just pointed out the obvious.
Apr 16 05:54:44 <pepelepu> too complicated for me I think that I'm gonna change the phone !
Apr 16 05:54:58 <pepelepu> thx fellas
Apr 16 05:55:18 <ka6sox> change for the better.
Apr 16 05:55:30 <pepelepu> iphone ?
Apr 16 05:56:45 <oil> i phone is for the better?
Apr 16 05:56:45 <pepelepu> I think !
Apr 16 05:56:50 <pepelepu> too many problems with pre !
Apr 16 05:57:07 <oil> lol
Apr 16 05:57:17 <ka6sox> ha ha ha...
Apr 16 05:57:39 <pepelepu> A friend of mine installed the preware on my phone but suddenly stopped and never loaded again
Apr 16 05:57:56 <pepelepu> let's see
Apr 16 05:58:07 <oil> what happens?
Apr 16 05:58:37 <pepelepu> iphone is just drag and drop !
Apr 16 06:00:59 <pepelepu> look just this to install just a program like preware i need to follow like a 1k steps
Apr 16 06:01:21 <pepelepu> this is B.....S
Apr 16 06:01:48 <uNiXpSyChO> how about a RAZR
Apr 16 06:01:53 <oil> a thousand steps?
Apr 16 06:01:59 <oil> its not more then a handfull
Apr 16 06:05:14 <pepelepu> razr ? you trying to be funny that's cool
Apr 16 06:05:16 <pepelepu> see ya
Apr 16 06:05:29 <oil> good luck with your easy to hack iphone
Apr 16 06:06:00 <pepelepu> good luck with your pre
Apr 16 06:06:09 <oil> oh, its awesome
Apr 16 06:06:22 <pepelepu> lol
Apr 16 06:06:23 <oil> and the company who makes it doesn't brand me a criminal for hacking it
Apr 16 06:06:41 <pepelepu> are you shareholder ?
Apr 16 06:06:43 <oil> "oh no, the terrorists will hack it and bring down the cell towers, it should be illegal"
Apr 16 06:06:44 <oil> lol
Apr 16 06:06:45 <pepelepu> lol
Apr 16 06:06:54 <pepelepu> cool
Apr 16 06:06:56 <oil> no, not a shareholder
Apr 16 06:07:11 <pepelepu> I'll see ya have no time for BS
Apr 16 06:07:19 <oil> lol
Apr 16 06:07:21 <uNiXpSyChO> troll
Apr 16 06:07:21 <oil> no time?
Apr 16 06:07:24 <oil> all he had was bs
Apr 16 06:07:24 <oil> haha
Apr 16 06:07:37 <uNiXpSyChO> this forum is full of trolls tonight
Apr 16 06:07:48 <oil> s/forum/channel/ :)
Apr 16 06:07:56 <uNiXpSyChO> oops... yeah :)
Apr 16 06:08:50 <Kyutwo> was that guy trying to infer that he was a shareholder of Apple? Like why bring that up, has nothing to do with anything
Apr 16 06:17:10 <oil> idk, probably to point out that palms stock isn't doing so hot
Apr 16 06:19:37 <Kyusaku> ugh because stock affects OS performance, of course
Apr 16 06:20:20 <oil> oh, you didn't know that?
Apr 16 06:20:51 <Kyusaku> not at first
Apr 16 08:33:40 * rwhitby chuckles about the earlier discussion of "illegal" things.
Apr 16 12:37:09 <mjkjr|wirc> rwhitby: noticed a little "bug" in preware alpha and update all. Probably already known, not talking about dependencies.
Apr 16 12:40:35 <rwhitby> mjkjr|wirc: ok
Apr 16 12:44:46 <mjkjr|wirc> I had 2 updates from palm web/beta feeds only. I select "update all" and preware alpha freezes for a moment then says packages updated message.
Apr 16 12:45:20 <en0x> that's the luna rescan
Apr 16 12:45:59 <mjkjr|wirc> But packages aren't really updated. Open each individually and they redirect properly to palm  web/beta.
Apr 16 12:49:32 <mjkjr|wirc> only when selecting "update all" preware alpha tries to "update" them rather than redirecting to palm web/beta
Apr 16 13:16:03 <osi80z> yello
Apr 16 13:16:16 <en0x> jello
Apr 16 13:16:54 <osi80z> web os
Apr 16 13:17:04 <nt4cats> webOS?
Apr 16 13:17:56 <osi80z> yuh
Apr 16 13:19:07 <osi80z> muzt be som type of hakkr
Apr 16 13:23:01 * nt4cats wishes he had some sort of stick ... one that he could use to soundly beat people with which would result in them at least *trying* to spell correctly.
Apr 16 13:23:25 <rwhitby> mjkjr|wirc: Preware skips over app catalog packages if you do Update All
Apr 16 13:29:04 <Lumiere> rwhitby: what do you all use as the basis for your automated build system?
Apr 16 13:30:23 <rwhitby> Lumiere: make
Apr 16 13:31:13 <Lumiere> rwhitby: have you looked at a system like buildbot to control it?
Apr 16 13:31:27 <mjkjr|wirc> I see that, it's just interesting that it tells me they were updated.
Apr 16 13:31:38 <Lumiere> (which would also give you real time success/failure visualizations)
Apr 16 13:32:33 <rwhitby> It's quite rudimentary.  Nothing like an OpenEmbedded or such.
Apr 16 13:32:33 <rwhitby> it's all in the preware/build.git repository
Apr 16 13:33:16 <Lumiere> heh?
Apr 16 13:34:07 <rwhitby> Lumiere: yeah, I've used such systems before (Bitten, Tinderbox, etc).  We simply haven't had the resources interested in investing the time to deploy such a system.  If we found someone that is keen to take that on, we would jump at the chance.
Apr 16 13:34:43 <Lumiere> rwhitby: maybe I'll look into the preware/build.git this weekend
Apr 16 13:38:18 <osi80z> do it
Apr 16 13:38:47 * Lumiere notes that the preware/build.git Makefile is a fun piece of scripting heaven :)
Apr 16 13:39:41 <osi80z> yeah
Apr 16 13:40:48 * rwhitby bbt - night all
Apr 16 13:41:49 <osi80z> yeah?
Apr 16 13:51:43 <Lumiere> oh well... looks like rwhitby is poofing just as I was going to ask him a question :)
Apr 16 13:53:52 <Lumiere> so the apps/${app_id}/ Makefiles are the builder for all of your apps
Apr 16 13:54:50 <loot-> Lumiere: you might consider watching your usage of the word "poof" in general with aussies
Apr 16 13:54:53 <loot-> haha
Apr 16 13:55:25 <loot-> a poof or poofter in australia is slang for homosexual :P
Apr 16 13:55:33 <Lumiere> ugh
Apr 16 13:55:41 * Lumiere hates slang
Apr 16 13:55:52 * Lumiere hates slang even as he uses slang
Apr 16 13:56:27 <nt4cats> Lumiere: ... and be careful with the term 'root' as well.
Apr 16 13:56:44 <loot-> lol
Apr 16 13:57:12 <nt4cats> Saying things like "I rooted my Pre" makes Australians giggle.
Apr 16 13:59:58 <loot-> oh poop that reminds me i need to generate a key for rwhitby and email it to him
Apr 16 14:01:25 <nt4cats> Uh huh huh huh ... he said ... "generate"
Apr 16 14:02:05 <loot-> i miss beavis and butthead
Apr 16 14:02:23 * nt4cats is relieved that someone got that joke
Apr 16 14:02:26 <loot-> i think they could still be amusing... had mike judge not abandoned them for king of the hill
Apr 16 14:04:16 <loot-> i mean they stuck around for a long time after the show was canceled in pop culture... which is usually an indicator if something is still profitable or not
Apr 16 14:04:34 <loot-> surprised the MTV corporate overlords didnt see that and continue raping and pillaging the land
Apr 16 14:26:11 <RagingMind> the pdk is only available for windows and mac?
Apr 16 14:26:35 <mickey> any idea how to turn the proximity sensor on?
Apr 16 14:28:33 <nt4cats> mickey: hold the phone up to your ear?
Apr 16 14:28:51 <mickey> hmm
Apr 16 14:28:55 <mickey> i thought so
Apr 16 14:29:09 <mickey> but i guess there's an ioctl or sysfs node to activate it
Apr 16 14:29:22 <mickey> the input node is staying quiet
Apr 16 14:29:34 <FreeTim> The Interactive Tests that come with the Palm tests it... you might be able to look into the code, there
Apr 16 14:30:22 <mickey> right, thanks
Apr 16 14:30:35 <mickey> I'm afraid my question is more geared towards the deeper access though
Apr 16 14:30:45 <mickey> since afaik they just defer to one of the closed libraries
Apr 16 14:37:19 <sbromwich> mickey: STBO but have you had a poke around in sysfs? The palm patch creates a vibetonez directory/file structure in the kernel tree that might be worth a wander through too
Apr 16 14:38:33 <mickey> sbromwich: yeah, that seems to be related to vibrator though
Apr 16 14:38:39 <mickey> vibrator works fine, btw.
Apr 16 14:39:08 <sbromwich> I think I recall some of the accelerometer/prox stuff in there too
Apr 16 14:39:15 <sbromwich> I might just be sort on sleep though.
Apr 16 14:39:20 <sbromwich> shor.
Apr 16 14:39:27 <sbromwich> gah
Apr 16 14:39:29 <RagingMind> does novacom install on debian?
Apr 16 14:39:31 <mickey> ok, i'll just clone the tree
Apr 16 14:39:32 <sbromwich> !sleep
Apr 16 14:39:35 <mickey> need to grep
Apr 16 14:39:36 <sbromwich> RagingMind: it did for me
Apr 16 14:39:50 <nt4cats> mickey: sorry if this is useless, but did you check out http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Proximity_Sensor and http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/IR_Proximity_Sensor
Apr 16 14:39:54 <RagingMind> it seems to be installed, but I got errors
Apr 16 14:40:11 <FreeTim> I take it you already looked at ?  /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.crotest/app/controllers/proximity-assistant.js
Apr 16 14:40:33 <FreeTim> whoops. I'm just repeating what nt4cats said :(
Apr 16 14:42:09 <mickey> will check
Apr 16 14:42:16 <mickey> I don't have tihs partition mounted atm.
Apr 16 14:48:50 <mickey> this.RequestCallOn = new Mojo.Service.Request('palm://com.palm.crotest', {
Apr 16 14:48:50 <mickey>                                                             method: 'Proximity',
Apr 16 14:48:50 <mickey>                                                             parameters: {"command": "on"},
Apr 16 14:48:50 <mickey>                                                                                 onSuccess:
Apr 16 14:49:10 <mickey> who's picking that request up?
Apr 16 14:52:14 <mickey> aaah
Apr 16 14:52:16 <mickey> i think i got it
Apr 16 14:53:01 <mickey> yeah
Apr 16 14:53:33 <PuffTheMagic> mickey: a palm service is listening for the request
Apr 16 14:53:43 <mickey> thanks
Apr 16 14:53:53 <mickey> got where they have hidden the sysfs nodes
Apr 16 14:53:58 <mickey> works fine now
Apr 16 14:54:03 <PuffTheMagic> huh?
Apr 16 14:54:12 <PuffTheMagic> hidden sysfs what?
Apr 16 14:54:16 <mickey>  well
Apr 16 14:54:20 <mickey>  /sys/class/input/
Apr 16 14:54:20 <mickey> :)
Apr 16 14:54:22 <nt4cats> wow, I just had to pull my battery.  Phone locked up hard when I tried to wake it up to end a call
Apr 16 14:54:24 <nt4cats> :(
Apr 16 14:54:31 <PuffTheMagic> mickey: how is that hidden?
Apr 16 14:54:50 <mickey> first kernel driver i have ever seen that has its configuration below /sys/class/input
Apr 16 14:54:52 <PuffTheMagic> nt4cats: the toggle switch hard reset didnt work?
Apr 16 14:54:58 <mickey> therefore somewhat hidden for me
Apr 16 14:55:08 <PuffTheMagic> mickey: its always there
Apr 16 14:55:16 <nt4cats> PuffTheMagic: maybe I don't know the toggle switch hard reset
Apr 16 14:55:32 <nt4cats> I held down the power button for 10 seconds-ish, nothing happened, pulled the battery
Apr 16 14:55:35 <PuffTheMagic> nt4cats: hold the power button and toggle the mute switch 3 times
Apr 16 14:55:40 <mickey> PuffTheMagic: could be. just that in all my years i never had to poke below /sys/class/input
Apr 16 14:55:43 <mickey> and i have seen quite a few systems...
Apr 16 14:55:51 <PuffTheMagic> or 4 times if not staring if the off position
Apr 16 14:56:03 <nt4cats> PuffTheMagic: okay, well while I hope this doesn't happen again, I'll try that next time
Apr 16 14:56:11 <PuffTheMagic> mickey: well lots of /proc stuff is moving to /sys
Apr 16 14:56:13 <nt4cats> PuffTheMagic: My phone is muted 95% of the time
Apr 16 14:56:18 <PuffTheMagic> to some distorys have both enabled in the kernel
Apr 16 14:56:23 <mickey> PuffTheMagic: for sure, i'm not talking about /sys in particular
Apr 16 14:56:25 <nt4cats> PuffTheMagic: so that sounds like 4 for me
Apr 16 14:56:25 <mickey> but sys/class/input
Apr 16 14:56:33 <PuffTheMagic> and most userland apps still look in the old places
Apr 16 14:56:34 <mickey> input class devices rarely are configured there
Apr 16 14:56:48 <PuffTheMagic> yeah there are kernel options
Apr 16 14:56:53 <PuffTheMagic> that add "new" sysfs entries
Apr 16 14:57:12 <PuffTheMagic> idk what distros arent using them these days
Apr 16 14:57:15 <mickey> anyways, that's quite cool
Apr 16 14:57:27 <mickey> i can write API and plugins for those sensors now
Apr 16 14:57:50 <PuffTheMagic> yup
Apr 16 14:57:52 <mickey> once playya fixes the touchscreen and morphis the modem, we're good :)
Apr 16 14:57:59 * mickey happy with the progress
Apr 16 14:58:06 <PuffTheMagic> what ru working on?
Apr 16 14:58:34 <mickey> porting freesmartphone.org middleware to the Pre
Apr 16 14:58:39 <mickey> and on top some phone apps
Apr 16 14:58:44 <mickey> (later)
Apr 16 14:58:48 <nt4cats> mickey: if you learned something that can be added to the webos-internals.org wiki let's add it. I'm willing to help with the writing
Apr 16 14:59:08 <PuffTheMagic> mickey: i can join that effort soon
Apr 16 14:59:15 <PuffTheMagic> when i get a dev phone
Apr 16 14:59:22 <mickey> nt4cats: you could add that the proximity sensor is being configured through /sys/class/input/input3, that would help other folks
Apr 16 14:59:26 <mickey> PuffTheMagic: awesome!
Apr 16 14:59:40 <mickey> we're close to a preview image
Apr 16 14:59:44 <mickey> hopefully next week
Apr 16 14:59:53 <mickey> will do a video then as well to show you all how "far" we are
Apr 16 15:01:44 <sbromwich> nt4cats: that's something I'm working to fix with my kernels, I am of the opinion the delay is too short coming out of suspend and the devices don't get enough time to wake up before being bitbanged on
Apr 16 15:02:07 <sbromwich> changed udelay(10) to 3 * udelay(5) and haven't had a lockup waking from suspend yet
Apr 16 15:02:10 <PuffTheMagic> boo vala
Apr 16 15:02:21 <sbromwich> 3 * udelay(50), rather
Apr 16 15:02:53 <playya> vala rocks :)
Apr 16 15:03:16 <PuffTheMagic> sbromwich: did u try using usleep instead of udelay?
Apr 16 15:03:52 <sbromwich> PuffTheMagic: traced it back and from what I can see usleep just calls udelay anyway, tried msleep(1) instead and that just horked
Apr 16 15:04:32 <PuffTheMagic> i thought i read that delay and sleep were a little different
Apr 16 15:04:50 <sbromwich> me too
Apr 16 15:04:56 <PuffTheMagic> sbromwich: what about adding a sched_yeild() in there
Apr 16 15:05:22 <sbromwich> sched_yield was... um.
Apr 16 15:05:30 <sbromwich> there was some problem with it but I can't remember the details now.
Apr 16 15:05:41 <mickey> heh fun, through a camera you can actually see the IR LED sensor scanning
Apr 16 15:05:43 <mickey> cool
Apr 16 15:05:47 <PuffTheMagic> sbromwich: i know the arguments for and against using it
Apr 16 15:05:53 <PuffTheMagic> i rememeber that LKML thread :D
Apr 16 15:06:17 <PuffTheMagic> but we arent using it in a loop
Apr 16 15:06:26 <sbromwich> no, I tried it, but there was something that didn't work about it but I can't remember the details
Apr 16 15:06:31 <sbromwich> need moar sleep :-/
Apr 16 15:07:08 <sbromwich> and I'm working on the payroll server as well... hope I don't screw this up or I'm not gonna get paid next month :-/
Apr 16 15:10:41 <ka6sox> sbromwich, did you try the temp sensor in your last kernel?
Apr 16 15:12:31 <nt4cats> sbromwich: I'd be glad to be a guinea pig for you
Apr 16 15:12:55 <sbromwich> hurrah, I'm going to get paid next month.
Apr 16 15:13:44 <sbromwich> ka6sox: yeah but it failed, then I've done something awry with my git pull on mason and I can't get it to download the kernel and apply the patches any more
Apr 16 15:14:14 <ka6sox> same failure as rwhitby?
Apr 16 15:14:17 <sbromwich> waiting for rwhitby to get a chance to take a look at it
Apr 16 15:14:19 <sbromwich> errrrr?
Apr 16 15:14:26 <sbromwich> mason~/build/hardware/uber-kernel-pre$ make download
Apr 16 15:14:28 <sbromwich> ../../support/download.mk:156: *** "Please define VERSION in your Makefile".  Stop.
Apr 16 15:14:30 <sbromwich> mason~/build/hardware/uber-kernel-pre$
Apr 16 15:15:00 <sbromwich> if I try defining VERSION it bombs, just slightly differently
Apr 16 15:15:18 <ka6sox> ugh.
Apr 16 15:45:47 <zsoc_wirc> chuqui: morn
Apr 16 15:46:19 <chuqui> hey! morning!
Apr 16 15:55:20 <playya> anyone knows the resolution of the touchscreen or even has a datasheet
Apr 16 15:57:39 <bpadalino|work> you want to know how close two points can be before they're seen as one by the touchscreen controller ?
Apr 16 15:59:31 <bpadalino|work> there are some hardware tests that come on the pre or that you can build which show where the points are for the fingers on the screen
Apr 16 15:59:55 <bpadalino|work> you could use calipers and a tip that is capacitive to move them on the screen and see when only 1 point is reported versus 2
Apr 16 16:00:23 <bpadalino|work> do this in both x and y directions and maybe a diagonal if you get ambitious and you should be able to figure it out
Apr 16 16:01:52 <zsoc_wirc> bpadalino|work: that might have been a more ambitious answer than one was looking for :>
Apr 16 16:02:51 <bpadalino|work> we should supersize ambition
Apr 16 16:04:11 <mikewx> does it come in a 6 pack with a dipping sauce?
Apr 16 16:08:35 <bpadalino|work> indeed - even a new fancy spicy asian-inspired dipping sauce
Apr 16 16:09:12 <mikewx> fantastic
Apr 16 16:24:37 <playya> bpadalino, there's no calipers program on my pre
Apr 16 16:32:41 <Xehn> good morning, Channel
Apr 16 16:34:13 <Xehn> Was curious if anyone had looked into porting synergy (http://sourceforge.net/projects/synergy2/) to webos.  I've done some searching, but due to the name collision with the palm synergy, it's a tricky thing to search for.
Apr 16 16:35:09 <Xehn> main motivation was in looking for a better htpc remote.  I've started going through the synergy source, but it occured to me I might be duplicating effort, so I thought I'd pop in and ask
Apr 16 16:36:29 <sbromwich> Xehn: people are working on porting X over which might be a better alternative
Apr 16 16:36:56 <sbromwich> then you can do a debian chroot and pull synergy in from there (ultimately).
Apr 16 16:37:18 <Xehn> indeed, that would be a more full featured alternative
Apr 16 16:38:03 <sbromwich> I don't know the details but I know someone (phil_bw?) got openoffice running on it, so synergy should theoretically work just as well
Apr 16 16:39:15 <sbromwich> take a dig through http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page - I think there's docco on what to do in there
Apr 16 16:39:22 <sbromwich> (somewhere)
Apr 16 16:40:25 <Xehn> just found phil_bw's post.  thanks for pointing that out
Apr 16 16:40:35 <Xehn> going to do some more reading, appreciate the info
Apr 16 16:41:52 <beelzabub1> morning guys
Apr 16 16:42:01 <halfhalo_class> murnin
Apr 16 16:42:23 <RagingMind> I can has Prē!
Apr 16 16:42:55 <RagingMind> though it is running 1.3.5.1
Apr 16 16:46:51 <zsoc_wirc> beelzabub1: yo
Apr 16 16:47:05 <beelzabub1> zsoc_wirc: what's going on
Apr 16 16:51:10 <zsoc_wirc> beelzabub1: not much. got my dev device the other day. going to do bad things to it
Apr 16 16:51:20 <nebula> hmm
Apr 16 16:51:33 <beelzabub1> be gentle :)
Apr 16 16:51:44 <halfhalo_class> lol
Apr 16 16:52:20 <nt4cats|afk> zsoc_wirc: I just fedex'd you a Windows ME install disk and license key.  Try installing that on your dev device ...
Apr 16 16:52:47 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats|afk: sounds like a fun project
Apr 16 16:53:49 <beelzabub1> hey guys - keep it clean. no planning on committing crimes against humanity
Apr 16 17:13:47 * uNiXpSyChO|Zzzzz is away: Gone away for now
Apr 16 17:18:43 <sbromwich> beelzabub1: tried your suggestion re fuse/cryptofs but compiling dependencies with 1.4.1 tree failed with glib giving arm assembler errors in gatomic.c about unsupported instructions... Is there a known issue with that, would you happen to know?
Apr 16 17:19:56 * uNiXpSyChO is back.
Apr 16 17:20:37 * sbromwich congratules uNiXpSyChO on his return
Apr 16 17:20:57 <uNiXpSyChO> needed coffee
Apr 16 17:21:29 <sbromwich> always a good idea
Apr 16 17:21:47 * sbromwich feels tempted to go out and pick up some of the cheap whiskey for coffee.
Apr 16 17:22:26 <uNiXpSyChO> some Makers Mark will do
Apr 16 17:22:57 <sbromwich> beelzabub1: http://webos.pastebin.com/Fkf3rxbN - this was compiled directly on my pre
Apr 16 17:23:04 <sbromwich> I was thinking black bush
Apr 16 17:23:42 <uNiXpSyChO> is your liver made of cast iron?
Apr 16 17:24:14 <sbromwich> something like that
Apr 16 17:24:21 <mischko> Blanton's
Apr 16 17:24:34 <sbromwich> I was tested for a whole range of stuff not long ago, I have the liver of someone who does not drink.
Apr 16 17:24:40 <sbromwich> my doctor was unable to explain that.
Apr 16 17:24:45 <en0x> i love sprint ;) <3
Apr 16 17:24:49 <mischko> ' Pends on how much u dring.
Apr 16 17:25:06 <sbromwich> also the fact that my red blood count was so low I should not have been able to get out of bed, let alone ride my bike down for the bloodletting.
Apr 16 17:25:14 <sbromwich> ohhhhh I drink... I'm a sysadmin ;-)
Apr 16 17:25:39 <uNiXpSyChO> that is a requirement for sysadmin... esp BOFH title
Apr 16 17:26:28 <mischko> Nothing like a couple shots of Blanton's to make you relax about those !@#$%^ users.
Apr 16 17:27:12 <sbromwich> s/shots/pints/
Apr 16 17:34:29 <mischko> I need 3 - 4 shots and I'm relaxed and happy. Never done more than that.
Apr 16 17:39:56 <sbromwich> when you're my size it takes a lot to have an effect... ;-)
Apr 16 17:42:43 <ka6sox> morning
Apr 16 17:43:52 <uNiXpSyChO> afternoon
Apr 16 17:44:03 <sbromwich> g'day, sport
Apr 16 17:44:07 <nt4cats> nite
Apr 16 17:44:13 <ka6sox> howdy y'all
Apr 16 17:44:35 <ka6sox> sbromwich, I misunderstood...did your build fail or did the module fail?
Apr 16 17:46:02 <sbromwich> ka6sox: for what, cryptofs, or kernel?
Apr 16 17:46:46 * sbromwich might possibly be trying to run too many projects in parallel
Apr 16 17:46:56 <mischko> There needs to be a third button on phone app between voice mail and call log that is for speed dial.  Bring up a screen that has all contacts you assigned speed dial letters to.  Has anyone made this already?
Apr 16 17:47:13 <ka6sox> sbromwich, kernel build with temp module.
Apr 16 17:47:33 <sbromwich> ka6sox: no, I did a make clobber and a git pull and now make download fails for me so I'm stuck
Apr 16 17:47:38 <ka6sox> I'm hoping you got the same result as rwhitby so I know where to look.
Apr 16 17:47:39 <sbromwich> ka6sox: how are your git skills?
Apr 16 17:47:44 <ka6sox> oh....okay
Apr 16 17:47:44 <ka6sox> weak
Apr 16 17:47:49 <sbromwich> I built it into the kernel and got nada
Apr 16 17:47:55 <sbromwich> not even a sysfs entry
Apr 16 17:48:04 <sbromwich> mine too :-/
Apr 16 17:48:09 <ka6sox> thats different.
Apr 16 17:48:21 <sbromwich> yeah, this was all patched by hand
Apr 16 17:48:30 <ka6sox> hmmm.
Apr 16 17:48:41 <sbromwich> that was why I was trying to get the latest kernel and patches redownloaded ;-)
Apr 16 17:49:24 <sbromwich> I wouldn't take my failure to get temp working as indicative of anything in particular
Apr 16 17:50:46 <en0x> rwhitby: ping
Apr 16 17:52:19 <sbromwich> I think it's something like 4am for him, en0x
Apr 16 17:52:24 <en0x> oh kk
Apr 16 17:53:33 <nt4cats> we need an infobot command to tell us what time it is for rwhitby
Apr 16 17:53:45 <nt4cats> ~aussie-time
Apr 16 17:54:04 <sbromwich> he's en vacances at the moment so his timezone might be different
Apr 16 17:54:39 <sbromwich> I think he mentioned he lives in adelaide, which would be 3:30
Apr 16 17:55:04 <FreeTim> ~rodtime
Apr 16 17:55:05 <nt4cats> adelaide sounds familiar
Apr 16 17:55:07 * sbromwich is getting the "friday afternoon can't be arsed to work" feeling :-/
Apr 16 17:55:18 <ka6sox> okay...he got the module loaded and got a result that could easily be explained. getting no entry in the sysfs is another matter.
Apr 16 17:55:26 <nebula> sbromwich: i havent worked all morning...
Apr 16 17:55:32 <nebula> err, day now
Apr 16 17:55:35 <nt4cats> FreeTim: perfect ("~rodtime").  Please let us know when it is ready.
Apr 16 17:55:40 <nebula> no... e-mails...
Apr 16 17:56:09 <sbromwich> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/242081-can-squid-packaged-preware-app.html
Apr 16 17:56:11 <sbromwich> what.
Apr 16 17:56:13 <sbromwich> the.
Apr 16 17:56:15 <sbromwich> fuck.
Apr 16 17:56:37 <uNiXpSyChO> squid???
Apr 16 17:56:39 <sbromwich> yeah, let's put a binary up that needs around 40 meg of ram just to get going on a mobile phone.
Apr 16 17:56:50 <nebula> muahaha
Apr 16 17:57:32 <ka6sox> okay, lets see a show of hands as to who wants to port squid to preware!
Apr 16 17:57:41 <nt4cats> www.webos-internals.org/wiki/SetupSquidTransparentProxy
Apr 16 17:57:52 <halfhalo_class> Everyone who says yes loses their hands
Apr 16 17:58:03 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc_wirc: where is this anoutsider?
Apr 16 17:58:20 <sbromwich> squid is already ported, ka6sox
Apr 16 17:58:26 <sbromwich> squid - 2.6.23-1 - Full-featured Web proxy cache.
Apr 16 17:58:41 <ka6sox> ya, the example shows www.apple.com being blocked.
Apr 16 17:58:42 <sbromwich> I bet the flash disk would *love* to have its nuts thrashed off by squid.
Apr 16 17:59:24 <uNiXpSyChO> just set the cache_dir to /dev/null and use all RAM... but then why have a phone?
Apr 16 18:00:26 <ka6sox> there are just some things that shouldn't be done...like building all of Debian on a Slug.
Apr 16 18:00:52 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: use /media/ramdisk instead and see how long it takes for luna to go for a burton
Apr 16 18:01:34 * sbromwich goes mercilessly threadkilling with cold hard facts
Apr 16 18:01:47 <zsoc_wirc> PuffTheMagic: he's in here sometimes
Apr 16 18:01:55 <zsoc_wirc> PuffTheMagic: he runs prethemer
Apr 16 18:01:57 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc_wirc: he is holding up release
Apr 16 18:02:29 <beelzabub1> hey sbromwich - sorry missed your messages
Apr 16 18:02:56 <sbromwich> beelzabub1: np :-)
Apr 16 18:03:10 <zsoc_wirc> PuffTheMagic: lol no.  lack of features and alpha testing is holding up release
Apr 16 18:03:12 <halfhalo_class> die in a fire t400 irc user
Apr 16 18:03:14 <sbromwich> beelzabub1: did you get a chance to look at that pastebin?
Apr 16 18:03:19 <beelzabub1> looking at it
Apr 16 18:03:21 <PuffTheMagic> testing feed release
Apr 16 18:03:28 <sbromwich> ta :-)
Apr 16 18:04:10 <beelzabub1> the only thing i can think of is either you are not cross compiling with the right CPU flags set or you compiled part of your program with one version of the compiler and the rest with another
Apr 16 18:04:20 <beelzabub1> by version i mean one is cross-compiled and the other isn't
Apr 16 18:05:02 <ka6sox> sbromwich, is this the toolchain on Mason?
Apr 16 18:10:54 <sbromwich> beelzabub1: I'm compiling this on my pre
Apr 16 18:11:04 <beelzabub1> oh - never tried that before
Apr 16 18:11:24 <beelzabub1> my only guess would be that you don't have the mcpu flags set maybe
Apr 16 18:11:25 <sbromwich> I couldn't get things to compile cleanly cross-compiled hence self-hosting
Apr 16 18:11:41 <sbromwich> any recommendations for what mcpu should be? march as well?
Apr 16 18:12:10 <beelzabub1> try armv7
Apr 16 18:12:15 <uNiXpSyChO> i use -march=armvy-a -mcpu=cortex-a8
Apr 16 18:12:26 <sbromwich> okie
Apr 16 18:12:30 <uNiXpSyChO> s/armvy-a/armv7-a
Apr 16 18:12:33 <sbromwich> I'll give it a go by hand, sec
Apr 16 18:13:11 <sbromwich> gatomic.c:1: error: bad value (armv7) for -mcpu= switch
Apr 16 18:13:13 <sbromwich> hmmmm
Apr 16 18:13:26 <uNiXpSyChO> that is correct
Apr 16 18:13:42 <uNiXpSyChO> mcpu has to be arm7 i think
Apr 16 18:14:42 <sbromwich> -march=armv7-a
Apr 16 18:14:45 <sbromwich> -mcpu=cortex-a8 worked :-)
Apr 16 18:14:57 <uNiXpSyChO> cortex-a8 will be better
Apr 16 18:15:51 <sbromwich> I'll do a make clean and ./configure with CFLAGS="-O2 -march=armv7-a -mcpu=cortex-a8"
Apr 16 18:16:03 <zsoc_wirc> PuffTheMagic: we can release in testing now.
Apr 16 18:16:06 <uNiXpSyChO> wouldnt you want -Os ?
Apr 16 18:16:32 <sbromwich> I might, but -O2 is what it's compiling by default, and I want it as close to stock as possible
Apr 16 18:16:34 <PuffTheMagic> oh god
Apr 16 18:16:39 <PuffTheMagic> cflag ricing now
Apr 16 18:16:43 <sbromwich> this is ultimately to test a, what, 2 line patch ;-)
Apr 16 18:16:54 <sbromwich> not ricing, just trying to get the damn thing to compile
Apr 16 18:16:58 <beelzabub1> i wouldn't recommend Os
Apr 16 18:17:06 <PuffTheMagic> not on a kernel
Apr 16 18:17:21 <beelzabub1> on anything you compile for our devices
Apr 16 18:17:22 <uNiXpSyChO> the kernel is compiled with -Os
Apr 16 18:17:36 <beelzabub1> wouldn't recommend that either
Apr 16 18:18:03 <sbromwich> yeah, there's enough ram in the pre that I wouldn't call it "small"
Apr 16 18:18:09 <beelzabub1> it's not that
Apr 16 18:18:25 <sbromwich> known issues?
Apr 16 18:18:36 <uNiXpSyChO> bad compilers throw bad code with 0Os
Apr 16 18:18:39 <uNiXpSyChO> -Os
Apr 16 18:18:49 <beelzabub1> Os turns on unaligned access
Apr 16 18:18:56 <sbromwich> oh!
Apr 16 18:19:13 <sbromwich> I wasn't aware of that, thanks for the tip!
Apr 16 18:26:12 <ka6sox> sbromwich, you ever used qemu for development?
Apr 16 18:26:25 <sbromwich> development in terms of what?
Apr 16 18:26:51 <ka6sox> for "native" development.
Apr 16 18:27:02 <sbromwich> ahhhh... no
Apr 16 18:27:05 <ka6sox> k
Apr 16 18:27:17 <sbromwich> I don't think it'd work too well on my 1.66ghz atom, TBH ;-)
Apr 16 18:27:44 <ka6sox> I'm thinking about setting it up on mason for us to use.
Apr 16 18:28:13 <sbromwich> could be a good experiment for sure
Apr 16 18:28:32 <sbromwich> now, glib, compile for me, plsplspls
Apr 16 18:28:39 * sbromwich is *so* close.
Apr 16 18:29:08 <sbromwich> not just to compiling cryptofs but also it would appear compiling most of the opensource.palm.com tree on his pre
Apr 16 18:30:06 <oilsworkn> i have to say rwhitby, im so glad you found that image and uploaded it to the wiki for future reference
Apr 16 18:30:09 <oilsworkn> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:Girlfriends.jpeg
Apr 16 18:32:14 <sbromwich> gotta get priorities right.
Apr 16 18:32:38 <halfhalo_class> lol
Apr 16 18:33:14 <oilsworkn> though i think it may need its own page to explain it :)
Apr 16 18:33:15 <sbromwich> renice 19 $SO
Apr 16 18:35:26 <sbromwich> ooh, I think I just saw gatomic scroll by :-)
Apr 16 18:41:40 <oilsworkn> oh, 0.9.36 was released
Apr 16 18:42:16 <MikeHoncho> so, I'm following the directions exactly and I still don't see PreWare after I reboot my Pre.
Apr 16 18:42:53 <MikeHoncho> Well, not exactly, because there is no "Refresh Novacomd" menu option.
Apr 16 18:43:04 <MikeHoncho> I figured that meant "Install Drivers"
Apr 16 18:43:24 * sbromwich just used the bitly shell script install method from novaterm
Apr 16 18:43:29 <oilsworkn> using webos quickinstall?
Apr 16 18:43:33 <MikeHoncho> No.
Apr 16 18:43:36 <MikeHoncho> Via Windows.
Apr 16 18:43:40 <MikeHoncho> I have latest java.
Apr 16 18:43:53 <oilsworkn> lastest webos quick install
Apr 16 18:43:54 <oilsworkn> ?
Apr 16 18:44:20 <MikeHoncho> Are you recommending I try it that way instead?
Apr 16 18:44:36 <oilsworkn> how are you trying to install it from windows?
Apr 16 18:44:37 <sbromwich> MikeHoncho: me?
Apr 16 18:44:46 <MikeHoncho> oilsworkn:  yeah, I am.
Apr 16 18:44:49 <oilsworkn> the standalone installer thing?
Apr 16 18:44:58 <MikeHoncho> I didn't use the .exe.  I used the .jar
Apr 16 18:44:58 <sbromwich> rah, glib compiled! thanks for your help guys :-)
Apr 16 18:45:04 * oilsworkn has never used the standalone installer, so won't be much help
Apr 16 18:45:26 <MikeHoncho> Well, I'm glad to try it via quick install.
Apr 16 18:45:28 <oilsworkn> your welcome sbromwich
Apr 16 18:45:29 <MikeHoncho> How do I get to that?
Apr 16 18:45:38 <oilsworkn> yeah, give it a go via quick install
Apr 16 18:45:45 <oilsworkn> uh
Apr 16 18:45:54 <oilsworkn> its on the precentral forums
Apr 16 18:45:58 <oilsworkn> im sure a google will find it
Apr 16 18:46:00 <MikeHoncho> Okay.  Thanks.
Apr 16 18:46:28 <sbromwich> and installed, too, ftw
Apr 16 18:46:39 <sbromwich> although at this rate I'm going to have to resize /media/internal *again*
Apr 16 18:46:47 <oilsworkn> 3.02 is the newest version afaik
Apr 16 18:47:09 <nt4cats> n.o.v.a. looks sort of fun-ish.  Any opinions here?
Apr 16 18:47:34 * oilsworkn played it a few times
Apr 16 18:47:51 <sbromwich> and configure now works for cryptofs, hurrah!
Apr 16 18:48:56 <oilsworkn> the controls are OK
Apr 16 18:49:04 <oilsworkn> i don't think anyone has mastered fps controls on a phone yet
Apr 16 18:50:25 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: nova is amusing
Apr 16 18:53:03 * nt4cats just bought nova because oil and zsoc said I had to
Apr 16 18:53:42 <en0x> nova is ok
Apr 16 18:54:01 <nt4cats> some comments in the nova 'reviews' section implied that Andriod doesn't have 3d gaming.  Is that true?
Apr 16 18:54:01 <en0x> but i still think that webOS is still not optimized for 3d games
Apr 16 18:54:12 <en0x> nt4cats: nexus has!
Apr 16 18:54:30 <nt4cats> I was surprised to read that, didn't really believe it
Apr 16 18:54:49 <en0x> they just added GL to 2.x
Apr 16 18:55:13 <nt4cats> en0x: you made chuqui sad by dissing webOS 3d games, he quit.  Well done.
Apr 16 18:55:21 <en0x> ;D
Apr 16 18:56:25 <en0x> idk about pre+ but on my orginal sprint pre I get freezes sometimes in 3d games for 1-2 sec
Apr 16 18:56:32 <en0x> so imho it's still not optimized
Apr 16 18:57:02 <nt4cats> en0x: does your phone make a 'ringing' sound when it freezes?
Apr 16 18:57:08 <hape_> Hi all. Navit uses /usr/lib/locale for translations (e.g. to get german menus and turn-by-turn directions)
Apr 16 18:58:00 <hape_> But the pre do not have this. If I create a link to a folder in the cryptfs and ann the files form my local linux plus the Navit once then it is working.
Apr 16 18:58:17 <hape_> But I do not think that is a good idea for a later verion in preware.
Apr 16 18:58:37 * uNiXpSyChO|Zzzzz is away
Apr 16 18:58:50 <hape_> Do anybody have an idea how we should handle this? Perhaps Navit will not be the only appliaction later that usese /usr/lib/locale
Apr 16 19:01:12 <en0x> nt4cats: nope
Apr 16 19:05:05 <MikeHoncho> Preware is actually making me like this phone.
Apr 16 19:05:24 <Jusegozu> heeeelllooo
Apr 16 19:05:50 <Jusegozu> I have a quick questions:  has anyone successfully installed fish fillets?
Apr 16 19:08:06 <sbromwich> en0x: have you tried disabling syslogging? I found that to help performance a lot
Apr 16 19:08:45 <en0x> sbromwich: not yet... :P
Apr 16 19:09:19 <MikeHoncho> What do I miss by disable syslogging though?
Apr 16 19:14:14 <hape_> Jusegozu: Yes, it is working fine
Apr 16 19:14:22 * hape_ Like this kind of games
Apr 16 19:15:03 <hape_> Will this game ever make in the the normal feeds? I do not have any problems...
Apr 16 19:16:21 <en0x> sbromwich: but I wasn;t talking about tweaking the weboS so the games would run smoothly I was talking that webOS is not optimized and average user who don't know anything about linux homebrew itp will be like wtf it's a powerful hardware but games are freezing
Apr 16 19:16:56 <MikeHoncho> Average homeuser doesn't even know that it's powerful hardware.  They just see games freeze and think the whole thing sucks.
Apr 16 19:18:16 <en0x> true
Apr 16 19:18:26 <FuMan> alright, lets find out what CPUScaler Uber has to offer.
Apr 16 19:18:32 <sbromwich> en0x: yeah, I'm seeing a lot of debugging stuff still enabled that I'm slowly disabling
Apr 16 19:18:41 <sbromwich> en0x: my phone is starting to fly now
Apr 16 19:19:04 <FuMan> sbromwich, you got any dream timeframe to have user installable packages?
Apr 16 19:19:15 <sbromwich> FuMan: I don't do user installable packages
Apr 16 19:19:20 <sbromwich> I'm a hacker, not a developer
Apr 16 19:19:25 <FuMan> sonuva.
Apr 16 19:19:25 <en0x> hopefully they will turn off debugging in 2.0
Apr 16 19:19:26 <en0x> ;]
Apr 16 19:19:30 <idontwan2know> FuMan: I've been using that app, but am starting to wonder at it's utility. it certainly doesn't seem to do anything for my batter life
Apr 16 19:19:58 <FuMan> sbromwich, you got a newer uimage than that one you shot caj yesterday?
Apr 16 19:20:26 <sbromwich> FuMan: no, I'm waiting on rwhitby so I can find out why I can't get the git tree to download with the latest patch set
Apr 16 19:20:53 <FuMan> alright
Apr 16 19:21:09 <FuMan> then ill have to buckle down later today and figure out ramdisk junk, i want in.
Apr 16 19:21:53 <sbromwich> heh
Apr 16 19:22:05 <sbromwich> did you say you were running osx?
Apr 16 19:22:27 <FuMan> yeah
Apr 16 19:22:37 <sbromwich> ok, it should be relatively straightforward
Apr 16 19:22:43 <sbromwich> have you got novaterm running?
Apr 16 19:22:47 <FuMan> well, thats where i do most of my pre fiddling, novaterm is the gays in win7
Apr 16 19:22:49 <FuMan> yes
Apr 16 19:22:53 <sbromwich> bingo
Apr 16 19:22:58 <sbromwich> you're set up ready to go
Apr 16 19:23:20 <sbromwich> assuming you are booting a kernel called uImage:
Apr 16 19:23:30 <FuMan> :P
Apr 16 19:23:33 <sbromwich> go into novaterm, run tellbootie recover
Apr 16 19:23:47 <sbromwich> it'll sit for a few seconds, then boot you out and you get the usb logo
Apr 16 19:24:00 <sbromwich> then run novacom boot mem:// < uImage
Apr 16 19:24:08 <sbromwich> watch the pretty glowy palm logo
Apr 16 19:24:13 <sbromwich> that's pretty much it
Apr 16 19:24:21 <FuMan> and im assuming none of this sticks on reboot?
Apr 16 19:24:22 <jerms> hmm, is there a way i can see the source for a particular patch ?  like a git repo online somewhere ?
Apr 16 19:24:50 <sbromwich> FuMan: correct
Apr 16 19:24:56 <FuMan> k
Apr 16 19:25:02 <FuMan> ill report in moments
Apr 16 19:25:11 <sbromwich> that way if the kernel crashes and burns and completely wedges the device a battery pull will get you back
Apr 16 19:25:33 <sbromwich> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/241081-last-kernel-1-4-0-series-melt-your-phone.html has the settings I'm currently using
Apr 16 19:25:39 <FuMan> and do i still need to run a few other commands?
Apr 16 19:25:43 <FuMan> there it is.
Apr 16 19:25:56 <sbromwich> it'll run OK as is, but running those commands will give you better battery performance
Apr 16 19:26:22 <sbromwich> you can try reducing powersave_bias and up_threshold if your CPU is good enough to take it
Apr 16 19:27:07 <sbromwich> if it worked, uname -a should give you a date of Thu Apr 15 23:15:48 UTC 2010 and say it's PREEMPT
Apr 16 19:27:25 <FuMan> does the webos uber qualify as a uimage named kernel?
Apr 16 19:27:50 <sbromwich> beats me
Apr 16 19:27:55 <FuMan> word.
Apr 16 19:28:01 <FuMan> 321 no regrets.
Apr 16 19:28:12 <sbromwich> I would imagine so, but extracting it might be interesting
Apr 16 19:28:13 <sbromwich> heh
Apr 16 19:30:53 <sbromwich> FuMan: I'm also using echo anticipatory > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/scheduler
Apr 16 19:31:21 <sbromwich> oh hey I'm off call!
Apr 16 19:31:28 <sbromwich> it must be time for alcohol.
Apr 16 19:31:34 <sbromwich> back shortly
Apr 16 19:33:58 <FuMan> how long should it take from the novacom command till i see flashy palm?
Apr 16 19:37:01 <sbromwich> and there goes the last of the auchentoshan
Apr 16 19:37:32 <sbromwich> depends whether you're on usb1 or 2, but usually it'll go solid palm after around 5 seconds, then go flashy in 30-60
Apr 16 19:37:44 <FuMan> lul
Apr 16 19:37:49 <FuMan> then that sure didn't work out
Apr 16 19:37:56 <sbromwich> that kernel's configured to boot at 800 so if your cpu can't take it, or the phone is too warm, it'll crash and burn
Apr 16 19:38:14 <sbromwich> wrap an icepack in a towel and put the pre on top of it for a while to cool it down
Apr 16 19:38:18 <FuMan> ive been rockin 800 for a couple months now.. my busted ass phone can take it
Apr 16 19:38:45 <sbromwich> not necessarily in the configuration I have it ;-)
Apr 16 19:38:50 <FuMan> :>
Apr 16 19:38:59 <FuMan> well, I'm gonna take a second stab at it
Apr 16 19:39:05 <FuMan> it just stalled when i sent the novacom cmd
Apr 16 19:39:14 <sbromwich> there's other kernels out there to try if that one doesn't work
Apr 16 19:39:28 <sbromwich> I think the 1.4.0 one I posted was one of the most stable
Apr 16 19:40:45 <FuMan> i imgine its basic user error here, not the kernel yet :P
Apr 16 19:40:52 <FuMan> I took that go after installing palm-stock
Apr 16 19:40:58 <FuMan> gonna install uber, and see how that goes
Apr 16 19:41:06 <sbromwich> not an unreasonable assumption ;-)
Apr 16 19:41:09 <sbromwich> okies
Apr 16 19:41:23 <FuMan> tellbootie recovery
Apr 16 19:41:27 <sbromwich> I find most of my problems are PEBKAC
Apr 16 19:41:28 <FuMan> would have been nice to know months ago
Apr 16 19:41:33 <Jusegozu> hello back to my question about fish fillet. .  I can't get it to install either using preware or quick install
Apr 16 19:41:44 <FuMan> Jusegozu, ive never gotten it to install
Apr 16 19:41:45 <sbromwich> tellbootie recover
Apr 16 19:41:54 <FuMan> er, yesh :>
Apr 16 19:42:09 * sbromwich is glad not to be the only one drinking
Apr 16 19:42:51 <Jusegozu> hape_: I can't install the game for some reason.  I tried preware and webosqi
Apr 16 19:42:56 <sbromwich> oh, tail -f /var/log/messages should show you the palm come online... for me it'll appear as a USB device, disappear, then novacomd sees it and it comes as a USB device again
Apr 16 19:43:36 <sbromwich> bloody hell, 110 meg?
Apr 16 19:43:36 <sbromwich> I'm not surprise Jusegozu
Apr 16 19:44:42 <RagingMind> yay! I can has command line!
Apr 16 19:44:47 <RagingMind> now for everything else...
Apr 16 19:45:29 <FuMan> wow
Apr 16 19:45:35 <FuMan> tail is a very noisy command
Apr 16 19:45:54 <RagingMind> so yeah... the guy at the verizon store said that hotspot mode is free now
Apr 16 19:46:11 <RagingMind> or that there was a special promotion that I got into or something
Apr 16 19:46:22 <sbromwich> FuMan: /var/log/messages is a busy file
Apr 16 19:46:41 <FuMan> and its fairly disheartening that every other word is error, or fail
Apr 16 19:46:50 <hape_> Jusegozu: Hm, I installed it with webosqi
Apr 16 19:47:11 <FuMan> Jusegozu, makes sure your QI is up to date
Apr 16 19:47:17 <FuMan> old quick installs did NOT like large ipks
Apr 16 19:47:22 <hape_> What sapce you ahve left on your USB drive. The insalled game is 250mb min
Apr 16 19:48:15 <RagingMind> so um yeah... using the quick install thingy doesn't seem to work  /me investigating other methods of getting preware
Apr 16 19:49:18 <geist> FuMan: tellbootie recovery
Apr 16 19:49:23 <geist> just so that you know :)
Apr 16 19:50:45 <FuMan> RagingMind there is a bootstrap script you can install from terminal
Apr 16 19:51:02 <sbromwich> geist: is the "y" required? I've always just done tellbootie recover, I'm sure
Apr 16 19:51:18 <FuMan> cd /tmp
Apr 16 19:51:18 <FuMan> wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap
Apr 16 19:51:18 <FuMan> sh preware-bootstrap
Apr 16 19:51:24 <geist> oh yeah, recover, sorry
Apr 16 19:51:32 <geist> heh, i wrote all of that, should know :)
Apr 16 19:51:46 <FuMan> heh, same thing... assuming its just novacom boot mem://sourceofmyuimage, i fail.
Apr 16 19:51:53 <sbromwich> *grin*
Apr 16 19:51:59 <geist> novacom boot mem:// < bleh
Apr 16 19:52:12 <sbromwich> ohhh... yes, what geist said
Apr 16 19:52:14 <geist> the mem:// part is actual an address
Apr 16 19:52:19 <sbromwich> I did indeed give you duff instructions
Apr 16 19:52:25 <geist> it's just that if you leave the address of it picks a default one
Apr 16 19:52:30 <geist> ie, it's really
Apr 16 19:52:33 <sbromwich> that'll teach me to start drinking so early.
Apr 16 19:52:33 <FuMan> o.o
Apr 16 19:52:35 <geist> boot mem://0x84000000
Apr 16 19:52:51 <geist> but exactly
Apr 16 19:53:01 <geist> novacom boot mem:// < youruimagehere
Apr 16 19:53:30 <FuMan> im assumingyou both are using the carrot as a directional pointer, and not some magical char that i'm suppose to use
Apr 16 19:53:32 <zsoc_wirc> tellbootie is wonderful
Apr 16 19:53:47 <geist> boot mem://uimagehere is probably just turning the string into a address and trying to jump into it
Apr 16 19:53:48 <sbromwich> not caret, less-than symbol
Apr 16 19:53:51 <geist> and as such isn't booting
Apr 16 19:53:53 <FuMan> zsoc_wirc, well its way the hell easier than trying to hit the gspot with the volume buttons to get doctor to run
Apr 16 19:53:54 <jacques> on train
Apr 16 19:54:07 <sbromwich> jacques: you are full of leet.
Apr 16 19:54:14 <geist> cat uimage | novacom boot mem://
Apr 16 19:54:20 <zsoc_wirc> jacques: thank you irctwitter ;)
Apr 16 19:54:21 <geist> works too, it's just a redirect into novacom
Apr 16 19:54:24 <jacques> sbromwich, lol
Apr 16 19:54:54 <jacques> zsoc_wirc, heh, so this is what twitter is for
Apr 16 19:55:12 <zsoc_wirc> jacques: xD how did everything go?
Apr 16 19:55:17 <geist> all tellbootie does is write the command to a place where bootie can find it and then call syscall()
Apr 16 19:55:20 <geist> er
Apr 16 19:55:22 <geist> reboot() I mean
Apr 16 19:55:28 <jacques> zsoc_wirc, great so far
Apr 16 19:56:18 <FuMan> but it shouldn't matter the address i use after mem:// correct? so mem://users/thisguy/blarghchickahonkhonk/uimage should be fine?
Apr 16 19:56:32 <sbromwich> wrong
Apr 16 19:56:37 <sbromwich> FuMan: do what geist said
Apr 16 19:56:48 <sbromwich> FuMan: cut and paste if necessary
Apr 16 19:57:00 <RagingMind> I can get novacom to run if I'm on a terminal
Apr 16 19:57:07 <FuMan> k
Apr 16 19:57:11 <FuMan> 321 no regrets round 3
Apr 16 19:57:34 <RagingMind> but the install preware thingy said it can't connect to novacom, I'm assuming that is why webos quick install isn't working either
Apr 16 19:57:55 <FuMan> RagingMind, you enabled  devmode?
Apr 16 19:58:04 <RagingMind> FuMan, Yup
Apr 16 19:58:19 <RagingMind> I have a terminal connected to it right now
Apr 16 19:58:26 <zsoc_wirc> RagingMind: have you tried... installing novacom?
Apr 16 19:58:36 <RagingMind> zsoc_wirc, YUP
Apr 16 19:58:37 <zsoc_wirc> RagingMind: terminal? through novaterm/novacom?
Apr 16 19:58:49 <zsoc_wirc> RagingMind: then just run the bootstrap pls
Apr 16 19:59:12 <zsoc_wirc> ~preware-bootstrap
Apr 16 19:59:23 <RagingMind> if I have to, but I would like to figure out why my nova stuff isn't working
Apr 16 19:59:27 <geist> if you can novaterm and get the ] prompt, then you're talking to bootie
Apr 16 19:59:35 <geist> if you cant, then the novacom boot mem aint gonna work
Apr 16 20:00:02 <sbromwich> geist: are you using a uk keyboard, out of interest?
Apr 16 20:00:04 <zsoc_wirc> infobot: preware-bootstrap is cd /tmp; wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap; sh preware-bootstrap
Apr 16 20:00:05 <infobot> okay, zsoc_wirc
Apr 16 20:00:06 <geist> nope
Apr 16 20:00:23 <sbromwich> ah ok... that was a UK keyboard style typo, just curious :-)
Apr 16 20:00:30 <zsoc_wirc> RagingMind: what is your host os?
Apr 16 20:00:35 <geist> what typo?
Apr 16 20:00:37 <RagingMind> debian linux
Apr 16 20:00:42 <sbromwich> the ]
Apr 16 20:00:46 <geist> no, it's not a typo
Apr 16 20:00:50 <geist> that's the prompt in bootie
Apr 16 20:00:57 <RagingMind> there is an error when I install novacom about not being able to find "start" or "stop"
Apr 16 20:00:58 <sbromwich> really?
Apr 16 20:00:59 <zsoc_wirc> RagingMind: ps -e | grep -i novacom
Apr 16 20:01:03 <geist> people, quit trying to correct what i say
Apr 16 20:01:12 <geist> same thing happening with the novacom boot mem:// stuff
Apr 16 20:01:18 <geist> folks assume i'm typoing and just ignore it i guess
Apr 16 20:01:23 <FuMan> lol
Apr 16 20:01:23 <geist> syntax is exactly important
Apr 16 20:01:36 <sbromwich> I've never seen it... tellbootie recover always boots me pretty much as soon as I hit return
Apr 16 20:01:46 <RagingMind> well novacom(d) is running at the moment but I had to launch it from the command line
Apr 16 20:01:48 <geist> sbromwich: uh. really?
Apr 16 20:01:53 <zsoc_wirc> RagingMind: the daemon pro ably isn't running. try starting it manually from /opt/Palm/ ... I think it's /novacom/ or similar.
Apr 16 20:01:54 <geist> what does it do precisely sbromwich ?
Apr 16 20:02:08 <sbromwich> yeah, let me dig out a uImage just to make sure I'm not talking piffle
Apr 16 20:02:10 <zsoc_wirc> RagingMind: right, then webos quick install should work
Apr 16 20:02:16 <RagingMind> zsoc_wirc, did that... that's how I got the terminal on the device that I have now
Apr 16 20:02:29 <jacques> coverage getting bad again - later
Apr 16 20:02:37 <zsoc_wirc> RagingMind: odd
Apr 16 20:02:43 <RagingMind> but neither the preware installer or the quick install work, they complain that they can't find a device
Apr 16 20:02:44 <FuMan> tellbootie recover, gives me about 2 seconds, and the a USB logo
Apr 16 20:02:58 <sbromwich> palm-webos-device / # tellbootie recover
Apr 16 20:02:59 <sbromwich> novacomd socket was closed prematurely
Apr 16 20:03:01 <sbromwich> novacom: unexpected EOF from server
Apr 16 20:03:03 <sbromwich> itssab@itssab-aspire:~$
Apr 16 20:03:06 <sbromwich> comme ca
Apr 16 20:03:12 <geist> sbromwich: exactly
Apr 16 20:03:16 <geist> it's shutting down the device
Apr 16 20:03:35 <geist> then, once you're in bootie if you novaterm you'll get ]
Apr 16 20:03:39 <sbromwich> ah!
Apr 16 20:03:43 <sbromwich> now I'm following you
Apr 16 20:03:56 <sbromwich> I am indeed talking piffle, do feel free to ignore me ;-)
Apr 16 20:04:00 <RagingMind> is novacom a one connection at a time thing?
Apr 16 20:04:04 <geist> because you're talking to the bootie command line interpreter
Apr 16 20:04:04 <geist> might have to hit enter a few times
Apr 16 20:04:16 <zsoc_wirc> RagingMind: no
Apr 16 20:04:21 <FuMan> ahhh
Apr 16 20:04:27 <FuMan> i was getting nothing
Apr 16 20:04:31 <FuMan> but pounding enter gives me ]
Apr 16 20:04:36 <RagingMind> hmm... I'm running novacomd and then I can run novaterm and that works
Apr 16 20:04:42 <FuMan> so, now a novacom here, with the proper address, should be key to the city?
Apr 16 20:04:51 <sbromwich> yup
Apr 16 20:05:01 <sbromwich> specially since there's someone sober giving you instructions *cough*
Apr 16 20:05:09 <geist> also someone that wrote it
Apr 16 20:05:09 <halfhalo_class> novacom or beercom?
Apr 16 20:05:19 <sbromwich> that too geist ;-)
Apr 16 20:05:20 <halfhalo_class> on second thought, im running hulucom
Apr 16 20:05:22 <FuMan> boot mem://0x84000000 /file/path/uimage
Apr 16 20:05:31 <FuMan> er, novacom boot mem://0x84000000 /file/path/uimage
Apr 16 20:05:31 <geist> no. damnit still not right
Apr 16 20:05:36 <FuMan> mother of god.
Apr 16 20:05:40 <RagingMind> infobot, preware-bootstrap?
Apr 16 20:05:41 <infobot> hmm... preware-bootstrap is cd /tmp; wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap; sh preware-bootstrap
Apr 16 20:05:41 <sbromwich> FuMan: cut and paste what geist said
Apr 16 20:05:42 <geist> stop. forget everything
Apr 16 20:05:45 <geist> one more time
Apr 16 20:05:53 <geist> novacom boot mem:// < /path/to/uimage
Apr 16 20:06:00 <geist> that's it, precisely
Apr 16 20:06:06 <FuMan> lol, less than.
Apr 16 20:06:08 <FuMan> 321.
Apr 16 20:06:30 <geist> you're piping in the uimage to the novacom process
Apr 16 20:06:33 <geist> it's a shell thing
Apr 16 20:06:49 <halfhalo_class> even I know that...
Apr 16 20:07:20 <geist> should even work on windows shell, too
Apr 16 20:07:28 <geist> though i haven't tried
Apr 16 20:07:53 <halfhalo_class> i dunno that.... hmmm
Apr 16 20:08:13 <halfhalo_class> with the unix pack, yes, but I wonder if a clean install windows would
Apr 16 20:08:29 <sbromwich> halfhalo_class: well volunteered to go find out?
Apr 16 20:08:32 <geist> cmd.com supports some amount of unixy stuff. from the original dos days
Apr 16 20:08:42 <geist> pipe and redirect, though it's pretty limited
Apr 16 20:08:59 <halfhalo_class> I will when I get home, since theres really nothing on my pre not backed up
Apr 16 20:09:06 <sbromwich> *grin*
Apr 16 20:09:11 <RagingMind> zsoc_wirc, does the bootstrap support 1.4.0?
Apr 16 20:09:13 <sbromwich> nice one :-)
Apr 16 20:09:23 <RagingMind> I see comments in the header about 1.3.5...
Apr 16 20:09:29 <halfhalo_class> oled is reary nice
Apr 16 20:09:30 <zsoc_wirc> RagingMind: of course
Apr 16 20:09:37 <FuMan> oh snap
Apr 16 20:09:39 <FuMan> oh SNAP
Apr 16 20:09:45 <sbromwich> bingo?
Apr 16 20:09:50 <halfhalo_class> was his namo?
Apr 16 20:09:51 <beelzabub1> sbromwich: did you figure out your compile problem?
Apr 16 20:10:20 <sbromwich> beelzabub1: yup, now I just need to sit down and juggle stuff around so I won't trash the device
Apr 16 20:10:24 <FuMan> we've got palm flash
Apr 16 20:10:34 <FuMan> geist, sbromwich, your dedication knows no bounds.
Apr 16 20:11:03 <halfhalo_class> hmmm
Apr 16 20:11:06 <sbromwich> all installed ti /usr/local but it's a bind mount and I think I'm going to have to tar it off, umount, then put it on the rootfs /usr/local
Apr 16 20:11:20 <halfhalo_class> to do work or watch mythbusters...
Apr 16 20:11:23 <halfhalo_class> decisions....
Apr 16 20:11:31 <beelzabub1> do both
Apr 16 20:11:32 <FuMan> is it the ninja episode?
Apr 16 20:11:34 <beelzabub1> it's called multitasking
Apr 16 20:11:44 <RagingMind> the bootstrap thing was fast :D
Apr 16 20:11:57 <halfhalo_class> but.... zune hooked up to projector whos screen is oposite of my workstation
Apr 16 20:12:13 <FuMan> beelzabub1, multitasking is having a red flashing bar on top of your phone while your playing music or waiting for a VOIP call
Apr 16 20:12:48 <halfhalo_class> although I COULD just undock the mbp...
Apr 16 20:12:56 <halfhalo_class> meh, mythbusters it is
Apr 16 20:13:34 <sbromwich> FuMan: just to give you a heads up, there is a reasonably non-zero chance WAN connectivity and voice will have problems
Apr 16 20:13:41 <sbromwich> I would be interested to know of your experiences
Apr 16 20:13:52 <FuMan> hrm
Apr 16 20:13:58 <FuMan> i dont see this launcher lag you warn of
Apr 16 20:14:01 <halfhalo_class> no biggie for me
Apr 16 20:14:09 <halfhalo_class> I don't actually use the phone as a... phone
Apr 16 20:14:26 <sbromwich> FuMan: let the phone sit idle for 4-5 seconds then try scrolling
Apr 16 20:15:18 <FuMan> ahh
Apr 16 20:15:24 <sbromwich> see it now?
Apr 16 20:15:29 <FuMan> seems to only occur in launcher though
Apr 16 20:15:33 <FuMan> not contacts or anything
Apr 16 20:15:40 <halfhalo_class> hmmm
Apr 16 20:15:48 <halfhalo_class> wonder if my app would lag....
Apr 16 20:15:55 <sbromwich> it'll occur everywhere so long as the phone's idle enough to clock down, that's the price you're paying for the battery life extension
Apr 16 20:16:06 <sbromwich> TANSTAAFL
Apr 16 20:16:49 <FuMan> i think thats the 3rd acronym i've had to look up of yours
Apr 16 20:16:50 <FuMan> this hour.
Apr 16 20:16:56 <halfhalo_class> once again, my office is empty save for a dog
Apr 16 20:17:02 <sbromwich> heh
Apr 16 20:17:13 <halfhalo_class> why is there a dog in an IT office?
Apr 16 20:17:14 <gkatsev> how can you not know what TANSTAAFL is?
Apr 16 20:17:23 <halfhalo_class> because this is a state office dammit
Apr 16 20:17:33 <FuMan> ive never seen it abbreviated
Apr 16 20:17:39 <gkatsev> FuMan: ah
Apr 16 20:17:43 <FuMan> i had to look up "here be dragons" a few days back
Apr 16 20:17:48 <sbromwich> FuMan: Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land
Apr 16 20:17:49 <gkatsev> you need to read more heinlein then
Apr 16 20:17:53 <FuMan> scary linux nerds are scary
Apr 16 20:18:08 <halfhalo_class> yup
Apr 16 20:18:09 <gkatsev> sbromwich: actually, its from "the moon is a harsh mistress"
Apr 16 20:18:18 <sbromwich> oh is it?
Apr 16 20:18:20 <FuMan> sbromwich, im setting up my eventd script now, and then ill monitor things as close as I can
Apr 16 20:18:23 <gkatsev> sbromwich: yes
Apr 16 20:18:24 <FuMan> report any oddness
Apr 16 20:18:28 <sbromwich> that must be a hint it's time for me to go back and reread then ;-)
Apr 16 20:18:51 <ka6sox> There is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
Apr 16 20:18:55 * sbromwich only has 15 books left in his queue
Apr 16 20:18:59 <gkatsev> sbromwich: i am proud to say that i need to read between planets and sixth column to have read every single heinlein novel
Apr 16 20:19:09 <sbromwich> nice!
Apr 16 20:19:47 <sbromwich> I wasn't too keen on how his later stuff panned out towards the end, but his earlier stuff was absolutely top rate
Apr 16 20:19:58 <rwhitby> morning
Apr 16 20:20:10 <halfhalo_class> weelll look who it is
Apr 16 20:20:27 <beelzabub1> FuMan - was that a jab at the fruit company?
Apr 16 20:20:53 <gkatsev> yeah, some of his books are not too great. like friday and i will fear no evil, but stuff like job, the moon is a harsh mistress and starship troopers are amazing
Apr 16 20:20:59 <VincentLaw> hmm I just had a curious thought
Apr 16 20:21:08 <VincentLaw> would the touchstone in effect act as a surge protector?
Apr 16 20:21:23 <VincentLaw> would a strong surge fail to arc through it? I think it would fail
Apr 16 20:21:25 <gkatsev> actually, even variable star which was really written by spider robinson but based on heinlein's masucripts was a fun read
Apr 16 20:21:26 <beelzabub1> either that or it could make one hell of an explosion :)
Apr 16 20:21:26 <halfhalo_class> I like jabs at the orange juice company!
Apr 16 20:21:41 <halfhalo_class> This requires an experiment!
Apr 16 20:21:43 <sbromwich> gkatsev: yeah, he got waaaay too self-referential towards the end for my taste, plus his playing with the fourth wall was a little... silly
Apr 16 20:21:56 * halfhalo_class goes to get a large about of power and a touchstone
Apr 16 20:22:01 <VincentLaw> woo
Apr 16 20:22:04 <gkatsev> but breaking the fourth wall is great, just look at deadpool
Apr 16 20:22:05 <VincentLaw> make sure you get video!
Apr 16 20:22:05 <sbromwich> gkatsev: spider robinson is following in heinlein's footsteps too imho
Apr 16 20:22:27 <sbromwich> (and spider lived not too far from me when he was here in hfx, too, but sadly I never met him)
Apr 16 20:22:29 <halfhalo_class> I don't OWN another camera besides the pre
Apr 16 20:22:35 <gkatsev> sbromwich: yeah, ive not read much of his stuff, but seems to be ok.
Apr 16 20:22:55 <sbromwich> gkatsev: his early callahan's stuff is worth picking up
Apr 16 20:23:13 <VincentLaw> halfhalo_class: the camera hangs off the back of the touchstone. just set up a complex set of mirrors and magnifying glass
Apr 16 20:23:34 <halfhalo_class> meh
Apr 16 20:23:36 <halfhalo_class> effort
Apr 16 20:24:15 <halfhalo_class> oh
Apr 16 20:24:16 <halfhalo_class> hey
Apr 16 20:24:19 <gkatsev> sbromwich: will give it a look when im dont reading the hainish cycle. just finished the mars trilogy. after the hainish cycle i plan to read all/most of the hugh and nebula award winners for best novels
Apr 16 20:24:20 <halfhalo_class> can't do work anyways
Apr 16 20:24:54 <halfhalo_class> would have to restart nginx and passenger to get part of it working right and thats to much effort
Apr 16 20:25:11 <sbromwich> gkatsev: there is a bookshop in town whose owner knows my tastes, there is usually a stack of books waiting for me when I wander by... he is evil and I have yet to leave spending less than $200.
Apr 16 20:25:26 <halfhalo_class> lol
Apr 16 20:25:27 <gkatsev> sbromwich: haha, good luck with that :P
Apr 16 20:25:30 <halfhalo_class> kindle ftw
Apr 16 20:25:51 <sbromwich> don't like the kindle
Apr 16 20:25:56 <sbromwich> palm VX wasn't bad
Apr 16 20:26:02 <halfhalo_class> I heart my dx
Apr 16 20:26:20 <sbromwich> I don't want something *pretending* to be a book, because that's just never going to be the same
Apr 16 20:26:32 <gkatsev> i like audiobooks, with my hour commute each way every day, i can easily read lots of book
Apr 16 20:26:50 <halfhalo_class> no, but its pretty damn close, and super cheap considering the number of books I buy
Apr 16 20:26:56 <sbromwich> gkatsev: that doesn't work for me on my bicycle ;-)
Apr 16 20:27:15 <gkatsev> sbromwich: well, neither would an ebook reader, lol
Apr 16 20:27:31 <sbromwich> halfhalo_class: I'd rather have the real thing when I'm lying in bed at night reading
Apr 16 20:27:42 <sbromwich> gkatsev: it's amazing how many things don't ;-)
Apr 16 20:27:48 <halfhalo_class> to pricey
Apr 16 20:27:57 <halfhalo_class> I have 3 kindles in my house
Apr 16 20:28:08 <halfhalo_class> 2 kindle 2's and my dx, all tied to the same account
Apr 16 20:28:13 <sbromwich> halfhalo_class: I don't drive, don't own a car, don't have a credit card... I'm happy to spend my money on the luxuries in life.
Apr 16 20:28:19 <Lumiere> I love my Sony PRS300
Apr 16 20:28:23 <halfhalo_class> on average, each person gets 5 books a month
Apr 16 20:28:35 <sbromwich> halfhalo_class: 5 is not trying hard enough
Apr 16 20:28:56 <Lumiere> and I get most of my books as fanfiction via calibre
Apr 16 20:29:00 <halfhalo_class> it is when its 150 a month for kindle books alone
Apr 16 20:29:27 <sbromwich> I can quite easily go through a book a night
Apr 16 20:29:32 * Lumiere too
Apr 16 20:29:42 <Lumiere> when I am reading something I enjoy
Apr 16 20:29:48 <sbromwich> *nod*
Apr 16 20:29:56 <halfhalo_class> so can I, but theres just not enough new books to do that alot
Apr 16 20:29:57 <Lumiere> 500 pages a night is normal
Apr 16 20:30:11 <sbromwich> read the direct sequel to ender's game last night, that was quite interesting
Apr 16 20:30:22 <halfhalo_class> which one was that?
Apr 16 20:30:26 <Lumiere> ender's shadow?
Apr 16 20:30:31 <sbromwich> I can't remember the title, sec
Apr 16 20:30:35 <halfhalo_class> no, thats a different one
Apr 16 20:30:40 <Lumiere> or is it shadow of the hegemon?
Apr 16 20:30:40 <sbromwich> no, bean was dead at this point
Apr 16 20:30:49 <Lumiere> btw
Apr 16 20:30:49 <halfhalo_class> the direct sequel is a newer book
Apr 16 20:31:02 <Lumiere> there are 2 sequel series to enders game
Apr 16 20:31:10 <sbromwich> ender in exile
Apr 16 20:31:14 <halfhalo_class> yeah
Apr 16 20:31:18 <Lumiere> interesting
Apr 16 20:31:22 <halfhalo_class> I thought it was decent
Apr 16 20:31:22 <Lumiere> I will have to find that
Apr 16 20:31:30 <halfhalo_class> liked the speaker for the dead more though
Apr 16 20:31:36 <sbromwich> worth a read
Apr 16 20:31:42 <Lumiere> I wasn't a huge fan of the speaker series
Apr 16 20:31:44 <halfhalo_class> not a fan of xenocide though
Apr 16 20:31:56 <sbromwich> Lumiere: me either, I thought I was the only one
Apr 16 20:31:57 <gkatsev> yeah, i never finished xenocide
Apr 16 20:32:06 <Lumiere> I more enjoyed the shadow series
Apr 16 20:32:07 <sbromwich> he got a bit too mormon
Apr 16 20:32:22 <Lumiere> sbromwich: unsurprising given that he is a BYU grad
Apr 16 20:32:23 <sbromwich> even exile is a bit flanders in places
Apr 16 20:32:27 <sbromwich> yeah...
Apr 16 20:32:47 <Lumiere> I've met him (I have signed shadow of the hegemon 1ed)
Apr 16 20:33:08 <sbromwich> nice!
Apr 16 20:33:10 <Lumiere> like first ed is literally missing pages that they printed out and stuffed into for us at this signing
Apr 16 20:33:50 <halfhalo_class> I need to find more books to read
Apr 16 20:33:53 <Lumiere> my favorite quote from him was him bashing english teachers for their reliance on finding the "Theme" of a book
Apr 16 20:33:55 <sbromwich> *grin*
Apr 16 20:34:04 <sbromwich> yeah
Apr 16 20:34:11 <sbromwich> sometimes a book is written to be a well told story
Apr 16 20:34:16 <Lumiere> basicly saying that his books aren't writen with a theme
Apr 16 20:34:19 <Lumiere> yep
Apr 16 20:34:39 <Lumiere> imo most books are not written to be a commentary on something
Apr 16 20:34:45 <gkatsev> halfhalo_class: read all the hugu and nebula award winners
Apr 16 20:34:46 <Lumiere> they're written to be a story
Apr 16 20:35:12 <halfhalo_class> read pretty much all the tom clancy books, all the clive cussler, all the crithon(cant spell it for crap), and most books from two other authors cant remember, plus all the ludlum books i can find
Apr 16 20:35:26 <Lumiere> btw, if any of you haven't looked at calibre
Apr 16 20:35:26 <halfhalo_class> and I'm not a huge can of scifi books
Apr 16 20:35:37 <Lumiere> ( http://www.calibre-ebook.com )
Apr 16 20:35:40 <Lumiere> you really should
Apr 16 20:35:59 <sbromwich> although for someone trying to subtle put themes into his book while still making it readable, terry pratchett is The Man.
Apr 16 20:36:02 <gkatsev> halfhalo_class: i would assume you are not a can of anything let alone a can of SF books
Apr 16 20:36:12 <halfhalo_class> lol
Apr 16 20:36:20 <Lumiere> does anyone have a can of soda?
Apr 16 20:36:21 <Lumiere> :)
Apr 16 20:36:23 <halfhalo_class> cold fingers plus apple kb = bad spelling
Apr 16 20:37:02 <RagingMind> why does preware download feed information *every* time it starts?
Apr 16 20:37:08 <gkatsev> anyway, i need to go write a raytracer. ttyl
Apr 16 20:37:12 <FuMan> RagingMind, its a preference
Apr 16 20:37:13 <gkatsev> RagingMind: you can change it in the settings
Apr 16 20:37:16 <Lumiere> RagingMind: you can change that in preferences to be 1 per day
Apr 16 20:37:19 <FuMan> you can change it to always, never, or once a day
Apr 16 20:37:37 <sbromwich> gkatsev: have fun ;-)
Apr 16 20:37:37 <halfhalo_class> I need to write my rails app, but am to lazy and it requires a server restart
Apr 16 20:39:15 <RagingMind> now I just have to wait for it to finish to change it, lol
Apr 16 20:40:40 <FuMan> yeah
Apr 16 20:40:45 <FuMan> and id disable feeds like the palm-catalog
Apr 16 20:40:56 <FuMan> i actually disable all the palm ones that aren't the update efeds
Apr 16 20:41:14 <sbromwich> fishfillets seems to be working but I have no idea what it's doing
Apr 16 20:41:15 <RagingMind> I'm assuming that I can disable those because I can always go through the regular palm one if I really wanna?
Apr 16 20:41:28 <FuMan> mhm
Apr 16 20:41:30 <rwhitby> you can disable any of them for any reason you like
Apr 16 20:41:34 <FuMan> well, not the beta and web really
Apr 16 20:41:44 <FuMan> you need some type of 3rd party software
Apr 16 20:41:49 <FuMan> be it preware or appscoop or the like
Apr 16 20:41:52 <FuMan> to see those feeds on device
Apr 16 20:42:06 <rwhitby> I'm considering making the palm feeds and theme feeds disabled by default on Preware install
Apr 16 20:42:13 <Lumiere> yes PLEASE
Apr 16 20:42:22 <Lumiere> the theme feeds are annoying
Apr 16 20:42:54 <mikewx> they slow it down way too much, i already disabled mine
Apr 16 20:43:25 <Lumiere> rwhitby: how does the build of a package/index get kicked off in the autobuilder currently?
Apr 16 20:44:36 <rwhitby> Lumiere: "git pull ; make index upload" is basically the complete autobuilder script
Apr 16 20:45:00 <rwhitby> that runs every 15 mins if there is not already a build underway
Apr 16 20:45:24 <RagingMind> AH, I found the unthrottle app... it's description explains why downloading a 40MB update took so long over wifi
Apr 16 20:46:35 <Lumiere> rwhitby: and noting a build is done by like ps aux | grep Make?
Apr 16 20:48:21 <rwhitby> Lumiere: ps -ef | grep -v grep | grep "$RUNSCRIPT"
Apr 16 20:48:33 <rwhitby> RUNSCRIPT=run-autobuild-`uname -n`
Apr 16 20:48:57 * Lumiere is thinking about how best to buildbot all of this stuff :)
Apr 16 20:54:15 <swisstomcat> hey
Apr 16 20:55:40 <swisstomcat> check out my new blog post: http://thinmachine.ch/wordpress/ about the webos-internals booth at the swiss open source expo last month
Apr 16 20:56:56 <sbromwich> nice
Apr 16 20:58:44 <zsoc_wirc> swisstomcat: nice :)
Apr 16 20:58:52 <swisstomcat> spread the word :)
Apr 16 21:03:17 <swisstomcat> i someone to tweet it?
Apr 16 21:03:43 <halfhalo_class> tweet tweet
Apr 16 21:03:46 <halfhalo_class> :p
Apr 16 21:03:53 <swisstomcat> going to tweet it
Apr 16 21:03:59 <halfhalo_class> do eeet
Apr 16 21:04:28 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/12304391070
Apr 16 21:05:53 <swisstomcat> thanks rwhitby
Apr 16 21:05:56 <Lumiere> rwhitby: if I were to setup a vbox sandbox to work in for the buildbot stuff.  which of the Tools sections should I focus on
Apr 16 21:07:06 <Lumiere> (webos-internals/wiki/Portal:Tools)
Apr 16 21:08:41 <rwhitby> Lumiere: what do you mean?
Apr 16 21:09:03 <rwhitby> Lumiere: if you're talking build deps, use the WIDK page as a reference
Apr 16 21:09:15 <Lumiere> that's what I was asking about :)
Apr 16 21:09:18 <rwhitby> sbromwich: I'm about to publish the palm-kernel-pre packages in Preware
Apr 16 21:09:33 <sbromwich> okie
Apr 16 21:09:38 <Lumiere> should the  Autobuilder_Setup page redirect to WIDK page?
Apr 16 21:09:42 <sbromwich> I shall hold my breath in anticipation!
Apr 16 21:10:37 <rwhitby> Lumiere: oh, I didn't know there was such a page
Apr 16 21:11:08 <Lumiere> first in the list of cross-compile/kernel
Apr 16 21:13:02 <RagingMind> it's funny seeing familiar names under the apps on my phone
Apr 16 21:14:39 <rwhitby> ok, recovery Palm Kernels are now available in Preware
Apr 16 21:16:47 <dthought> a/lastlog dthought
Apr 16 21:20:44 <FuMan> rwhitby, i thought those palm kernels were suppose to forcefully overwrite any stupid changes one had made?
Apr 16 21:20:59 <FuMan> when i was fiddling yesterday, it still can unmodified file verification, to which it would always fail
Apr 16 21:21:22 <rwhitby> FuMan: were you using the Palm Kernels, or the Stock Kernels ?
Apr 16 21:22:21 <FuMan> i coulda sworn it was stock kernel, but i'd be lying if i said i knew now
Apr 16 21:22:26 <FuMan> which one is suppose to do it?
Apr 16 21:23:06 <oc80z> whats good :D
Apr 16 21:24:06 <en0x> rwhitby: do u remember when i was talking about over 300 bucks in data roaming that I was charged?
Apr 16 21:24:17 <en0x> rwhitby: sprint has waived half of it :)
Apr 16 21:24:18 <oc80z> wow.
Apr 16 21:24:22 <en0x> rwhitby: i just wanted to share it ;)
Apr 16 21:24:43 <oc80z> dear sprint, die in a happy fire.
Apr 16 21:24:44 <oc80z> :P
Apr 16 21:24:50 <en0x> sprint is good
Apr 16 21:24:56 <halfhalo_class> lulz
Apr 16 21:24:59 <en0x> for sure att or verizon would not wave it
Apr 16 21:25:07 <en0x> even 10 bucks
Apr 16 21:25:37 <rwhitby> FuMan: palm kernel overwrites, stock kernel checks
Apr 16 21:25:46 <FuMan> hrm
Apr 16 21:26:01 <FuMan> now that i'm fiddling with sbromwich's stuff, i'll try it eventually
Apr 16 21:26:12 <rwhitby> same functionality in both, but different installs to enable testing of the process
Apr 16 21:35:20 <EdLin> rwhitby: how close are we to having overclock kernels in preware? Are there any plans to?
Apr 16 21:36:11 <rwhitby> EdLin: http://bit.ly/next-gen-kernels
Apr 16 21:36:27 <sbromwich> *sigh*
Apr 16 21:36:31 <sbromwich> so much for not being on call
Apr 16 21:37:19 <EdLin> rwhitby: so it is pretty close then, judging from past performance of webos internals. :-)
Apr 16 21:38:32 <rwhitby> EdLin: note principle # 4
Apr 16 21:39:17 <EdLin> rwhitby: sure, but the scripts etc. could be in preware too.
Apr 16 21:39:46 <rwhitby> EdLin: yes, but will not be until we have some that are OTA-safe.
Apr 16 21:39:55 <EdLin> OK
Apr 16 21:40:08 <EdLin> makes sense to me.
Apr 16 21:40:33 <rwhitby> we prefer not to give people stuff that will just cause them hassles later
Apr 16 21:40:53 <EdLin> understood, preware is a bit too close to being plug-in-and-play for that.
Apr 16 21:58:05 * oilsworkn has a feeling zsoc is no longer away
Apr 16 21:58:20 <zsoc> the force is strong with this one
Apr 16 21:59:00 * oilsworkn would go to the dark side, they got frickn' finger lightning and shit
Apr 16 21:59:24 <sbromwich> yeah, no problem lighting the bbq then eh?
Apr 16 21:59:43 <oilsworkn> seriously
Apr 16 22:00:24 <oilsworkn> lets not forget choking people you see on tv
Apr 16 22:00:44 <oilsworkn> they get all the cool force powers
Apr 16 22:03:12 <sbromwich> yeah I can think of a few people that could do with choking
Apr 16 22:03:19 <sbromwich> s/few/lot of/
Apr 16 22:03:20 <infobot> sbromwich meant: yeah I can think of a lot of people that could do with choking
Apr 16 22:13:55 <RagingMind> hmmm... seems to be stuck in drive mode... on my first day
Apr 16 22:14:05 <RagingMind> did I mention that I have fantastic luck at breaking things?
Apr 16 22:16:59 <zsoc> drive mode?
Apr 16 22:17:15 <zsoc> usb drive mode you mean?
Apr 16 22:17:18 <zsoc> unplug the usb cable
Apr 16 22:17:56 <RagingMind> I did
Apr 16 22:18:31 <RagingMind> holding down the power button doesn't do anything either
Apr 16 22:19:41 <FuMan> 321 batterypull
Apr 16 22:19:42 <oilsworkn> pop the back cover off and pull the battery
Apr 16 22:19:52 <zsoc> i have never seen such a thing, but yes battery pull will do the trick
Apr 16 22:19:56 * FuMan high fives oil
Apr 16 22:19:58 * oilsworkn chokes fuman across the internets
Apr 16 22:20:06 <oilsworkn> >:)
Apr 16 22:20:09 <FuMan> wow, bro down fail.
Apr 16 22:20:19 <oilsworkn> lol
Apr 16 22:21:04 <RagingMind> I tried... afraid of breaking the back cover
Apr 16 22:21:11 <oilsworkn> on the bottom
Apr 16 22:21:16 <oilsworkn> there is a "button"-ish
Apr 16 22:21:18 <oilsworkn> press it down
Apr 16 22:21:27 <oilsworkn> and slide your fignernail between the two pieces
Apr 16 22:21:41 <RagingMind> I found the button
Apr 16 22:22:02 <RagingMind> any magic button combo?
Apr 16 22:22:16 <oilsworkn> to do what?
Apr 16 22:22:20 <oilsworkn> pull the battery?
Apr 16 22:22:25 <oilsworkn> you just pull the little tab
Apr 16 22:22:28 <oilsworkn> then stick it back in
Apr 16 22:22:29 <halfhalo_class> http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/16/palms-svp-of-software-and-services-takes-off-others-including/
Apr 16 22:22:31 <halfhalo_class> :/
Apr 16 22:22:33 <oilsworkn> and hit the power button
Apr 16 22:23:22 <RagingMind> wow... that too way too much force
Apr 16 22:23:32 <FuMan> halfhalo_class, thats an awesome sign
Apr 16 22:23:52 <oilsworkn> sounds like a good time to send my application to palm xD
Apr 16 22:24:19 <halfhalo_class> lol
Apr 16 22:24:45 <sbromwich> halfhalo_class: read the comments in that, the force is strong in that one
Apr 16 22:25:18 <sbromwich> RagingMind: I've reached over 250 battery pulls so far without a problem
Apr 16 22:25:29 <FuMan> sbromwich, i meant to ask
Apr 16 22:25:35 <sbromwich> mmmm?
Apr 16 22:25:35 <FuMan> where is that tabulated?
Apr 16 22:25:38 <rwhitby> I hope people try the mute toggle trick before resorting to battery pulls
Apr 16 22:25:54 <FuMan> mute toggle?
Apr 16 22:25:56 <sbromwich> in /var/log... updated.log, I think?
Apr 16 22:25:59 <rwhitby> hold in power, toggle mute button three or four times, wait 5 seconds
Apr 16 22:26:16 <sbromwich> one of the files in /var/log, anyway
Apr 16 22:26:16 <FuMan> first, that would require my power button to work for damn
Apr 16 22:26:16 <rwhitby> it's a low-level kernel reboot
Apr 16 22:26:24 <FuMan> second... I've never seen that before
Apr 16 22:27:08 <RagingMind> I was closing the terminal and accidentally hit the usb drive thingy
Apr 16 22:27:18 <RagingMind> and poof! I was stuck
Apr 16 22:27:19 <sbromwich> take a dig through /var/log, there's a lot of interesting stuff in there
Apr 16 22:27:24 <RagingMind> never showed up on my computer either
Apr 16 22:28:15 <FuMan> RagingMind, i get some random USB issues with one of my win7 laptops, as long as devmode is enabled
Apr 16 22:28:21 <FuMan> turning it off solves it, but i refuse
Apr 16 22:28:28 <FuMan> that, and my mac/desktop have no issues
Apr 16 22:29:49 * sbromwich boots his first ricer kernel
Apr 16 22:30:32 <sbromwich> Linux palm-webos-device 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 PREEMPT Fri Apr 16 22:27:13 UTC 2010 armv7l unknown
Apr 16 22:30:34 <sbromwich> ftw
Apr 16 22:33:05 <rwhitby> sbromwich: you should do the user@host trick for your kernels too
Apr 16 22:33:16 <rwhitby> (version@identifier)
Apr 16 22:34:29 <sbromwich> I'm trying to keep everything as close to stock at the moment to minimise any chance of modules cocking up
Apr 16 22:34:48 <oilsworkn> cocking up?
Apr 16 22:35:03 <sbromwich> crashing and burning?
Apr 16 22:35:08 <sbromwich> camera fail.
Apr 16 22:35:22 * oilsworkn posted in preware thread for the first time in a while
Apr 16 22:35:24 <zsoc> oilsworkn: yes, when something sbrom does fails, it involves being cocked
Apr 16 22:35:25 <oilsworkn> to explain the ... bug
Apr 16 22:35:25 <oilsworkn> haha
Apr 16 22:36:35 <sbromwich> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrc3HWvNm5s
Apr 16 22:36:48 <sbromwich> wlan fail
Apr 16 22:38:15 * oilsworkn doesn't watch youtube @ work
Apr 16 22:38:39 <sbromwich> that would be james may saying "cock" in all sorts of ways
Apr 16 22:39:05 <zsoc> sbromwich: excellent
Apr 16 22:39:07 <oilsworkn> ah
Apr 16 22:44:58 <halfhalo_class> HAHAHAHAHAHA
Apr 16 22:45:14 <halfhalo_class> people are blaming TG for the volcano in iceland blowing its top
Apr 16 22:45:26 <nt4cats> sbromwich: so, the man likes chickens.  What gives?
Apr 16 22:46:45 <sbromwich> ehhhh... hmmm.
Apr 16 22:47:00 * sbromwich suspects it might not translate across the pond
Apr 16 22:47:21 <nt4cats> sbromwich: it translates reasonably well, I was being silly :)
Apr 16 22:48:41 <sbromwich> oh, really?
Apr 16 22:48:43 <sbromwich> heavens.
Apr 16 22:48:49 <nt4cats> sbromwich: ... although I think you people will call something someone "cocked up" or "cocked", which we wouldn't do.  For us it means (very directly and very exactly) male pudendum.
Apr 16 22:48:50 <sbromwich> you had me all fooled.
Apr 16 22:49:09 <sbromwich> bollixed?
Apr 16 22:49:19 <sbromwich> cream crackered?
Apr 16 22:49:25 <sbromwich> up the swannee?
Apr 16 22:49:34 <sbromwich> on a hiding to nothing?
Apr 16 22:49:38 <zsoc> nt4cats: it means the same thing there. it's an anglo-saxon word
Apr 16 22:49:49 <sbromwich> pants?
Apr 16 22:50:01 <nt4cats> zsoc: yes, but I think it has a slightly more varied use there than it does here
Apr 16 22:50:15 * sbromwich idly wonders how many other ways he could come up to say no workee
Apr 16 22:50:50 * oilsworkn bets there is millions
Apr 16 22:50:58 <nt4cats> zsoc: while it may literally mean the same thing, it is used in expressions in ways we don't here
Apr 16 22:51:04 <sbromwich> I could be here all night.
Apr 16 22:51:22 <sbromwich> and quite possibly will be, with the success rate I'm having with these ricer kernels
Apr 16 22:51:26 <oilsworkn> as if you weren't going to be already
Apr 16 22:51:27 <nt4cats> My wife is an Irish literature scholar, so I've been exposed to a fair amount of Limey/Mick language
Apr 16 22:51:40 <zsoc> you talk about your wife a lot
Apr 16 22:51:46 <nt4cats> My wife is awesome
Apr 16 22:51:52 <zsoc> pfffffffffft
Apr 16 22:52:24 <zsoc> there was a distracted vegan named Hugh
Apr 16 22:52:30 <oilsworkn> she's standing over your shoulder isn't she?
Apr 16 22:52:30 <zsoc> who picked up the wrong sandwich to chew
Apr 16 22:52:36 <zsoc> after taking a bite, he said with a fright:
Apr 16 22:52:41 <zsoc> "OMG, WTF, BBQ!"
Apr 16 22:52:50 <nt4cats> my kids want to play "go fish" ... I'll be back in a bit
Apr 16 22:53:17 <oilsworkn> nice
Apr 16 22:53:26 <Kyusaku> damn, now I'm hungry, thanks zsoc
Apr 16 22:56:00 * sbromwich has a suspicion a battery pull may be imminent
Apr 16 22:58:15 <sbromwich> it was, too
Apr 16 22:58:51 * sbromwich wonders which will finish first, the pre boot or the kernel make on the shiny new motherboard
Apr 16 22:58:54 * oilsworkn thinks sbromwich needs to hack in a button to interrupt the battery's connection without taking it apart :)
Apr 16 22:59:40 * sbromwich thinks oilsworkn is assuming the back cover is replaced after the first pull ;-)
Apr 16 23:00:33 * oilsworkn has to have the back cover on or the battery just flops out
Apr 16 23:00:47 <sbromwich> pre wins
Apr 16 23:02:11 <sbromwich> oilsworkn: put the pre on a gel icepack wrapped in a towel
Apr 16 23:02:15 <sbromwich> WFM
Apr 16 23:02:37 <oilsworkn> condensation is bad for pre
Apr 16 23:03:32 <gkatsev> condensation is bad for electorincs in general. unless they are condensation proof
Apr 16 23:04:04 <sbromwich> that's what the towel is for
Apr 16 23:04:57 <sbromwich> nothing but the highest of high tech solutions for me.
Apr 16 23:07:25 <oilsworkn> oh, towel around icepack, with the pre on the towel
Apr 16 23:07:45 <oilsworkn> the way you said it, i was thinking pre on the icepack wrapped in a towel
Apr 16 23:07:54 <gkatsev> oilsworkn: lol
Apr 16 23:08:00 <oilsworkn> both of them wrapped in a towel
Apr 16 23:08:06 <oilsworkn> lol
Apr 16 23:11:12 <gkatsev> put a condom on the pre?
Apr 16 23:14:10 * nt4cats lost
Apr 16 23:15:57 <sbromwich> bit of a bugger to test out the camera and youtube if it's wrapped inside a towel ;-)
Apr 16 23:15:57 <gkatsev> nt4cats: you lost at go fish?
Apr 16 23:16:28 <gkatsev> sbromwich: yeah, but if its inside a clear condom, water doesnt get through, and you can still use it.
Apr 16 23:16:31 <gkatsev> lol
Apr 16 23:16:36 <nt4cats> gkatsev: yep.  I got smacked down by a 9 year-old
Apr 16 23:16:43 <gkatsev> fun
Apr 16 23:16:44 <sbromwich> I bow to your superior experience in the matter, gkatsev :-)
Apr 16 23:17:00 <gkatsev> lol. ive not actually tried that
Apr 16 23:17:14 <nt4cats> gkatsev: ... because she is ruthless and takes all of her little brother's cards
Apr 16 23:17:21 <gkatsev> but i dont see why it wouldnt work. people put cameras into ziplock bags
Apr 16 23:17:38 <sbromwich> it probably would
Apr 16 23:17:50 <gkatsev> all the time.
Apr 16 23:17:51 <sbromwich> easiest just to leave it sat on the towel though :-)
Apr 16 23:17:59 <gkatsev> forgot to complete the thought there though
Apr 16 23:18:21 <gkatsev> did otterbox finally release their pre case?
Apr 16 23:18:55 <Kyusaku> yeah there's one for the pre
Apr 16 23:19:19 <Kyusaku> someone posted some coupon code for free shipping on precentral forums
Apr 16 23:19:51 <gkatsev> doesnt seem like the pre otterbox case is waterproof, though
Apr 16 23:20:45 <Kyusaku> otterbox vs otterpop the ultimate test
Apr 16 23:21:12 <gkatsev> lol
Apr 16 23:21:51 <gkatsev> though, you could get http://www.otterbox.com/waterproof-cases/otterbox-2000/ and put the pre in there.
Apr 16 23:25:36 <zsoc> well, their stock will go up
Apr 17 00:32:42 <LarrySteeze> 'ello all!
Apr 17 00:33:17 <LarrySteeze> rwhitby, you hiding in here?
Apr 17 00:33:52 <rwhitby> yes
Apr 17 00:36:17 <LarrySteeze> thank you for introducing me to openwrt
Apr 17 00:36:54 <LarrySteeze> I've since become addicted to a different but similar project, dd-wrt
Apr 17 00:37:26 <zsoc> i like both
Apr 17 00:37:45 <zsoc> but clearly openwrt is much more.. open :>
Apr 17 00:37:46 <FuMan> dd-wrt has more micro versions, that work on newer routers, right?
Apr 17 00:38:08 <gkatsev> there is also the tomatoe router
Apr 17 00:38:15 <FuMan> tomato doesn't run on anything
Apr 17 00:38:21 <LarrySteeze> well, for me, only dd-wrt currently supports my router
Apr 17 00:38:28 <gkatsev> mostly linksys
Apr 17 00:38:30 <FuMan> i mean, if i had a big mem old school router, tomatoe would be my first choice
Apr 17 00:38:34 <LarrySteeze> it's an asus
Apr 17 00:38:37 <FuMan> but it can't run on anything in like the last 5 years
Apr 17 00:38:48 <FuMan> or, at least i thought
Apr 17 00:38:50 <LarrySteeze> no
Apr 17 00:38:59 <LarrySteeze> tomato supports newer routers
Apr 17 00:39:10 <LarrySteeze> but it's more limited support
Apr 17 00:48:01 <rwhitby> openwrt has one key overriding feature for me: I have commit rights.
Apr 17 00:48:23 <zsoc> ha
Apr 17 00:51:08 <LarrySteeze> ah
Apr 17 00:54:57 <rwhitby> anyone know where to get source code for http://www.droidforums.net/forum/chevyno1/32272-update-new-kernels-low-voltage-medium-voltage-3-25-2010-a.html ?
Apr 17 01:21:07 <zsoc> rastaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Apr 17 01:25:22 * uNiXpSyChO is back.
Apr 17 02:02:11 <sbromwich> anyone awake who's willing to test a kernel for me?
Apr 17 02:02:15 <sbromwich> I have a rather odd one
Apr 17 02:02:37 <sbromwich> I need someone to check if there are subliminal video effects, or if it's just someone with a rather odd app icon
Apr 17 02:15:03 <FuMan> THIS GUY
Apr 17 02:15:12 <FuMan> I'm your huckleberry
Apr 17 02:15:25 <sbromwich> groovy
Apr 17 02:15:34 <sbromwich> www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage_1416_vidtest
Apr 17 02:15:39 <sbromwich> install easy countdown timer
Apr 17 02:15:48 <FuMan> what if i have it already installed
Apr 17 02:16:18 <FuMan> and what is the effect
Apr 17 02:16:49 <FuMan> cause if you are talking about that odd color flicker / movement or whatever
Apr 17 02:16:51 <FuMan> i get that already.
Apr 17 02:16:52 <sbromwich> look at the app icon out of the corner of your eye, then move the launcher up and down to see if the app icon itself shimmers, almost in a subliminal way
Apr 17 02:16:55 <sbromwich> oh.
Apr 17 02:17:23 <FuMan> I never really noticed it until this afternoon, when ive been running the caj2008 uimage
Apr 17 02:17:32 <FuMan> but then again, ive never paid as much attention to my launcher
Apr 17 02:17:32 <sbromwich> in that case, do you want to try the new kernel? :-)
Apr 17 02:17:43 <FuMan> sure
Apr 17 02:17:45 <sbromwich> one of my test cases is wobbling the launcher up and down
Apr 17 02:17:49 <FuMan> the one you just posted?
Apr 17 02:17:52 <sbromwich> yup
Apr 17 02:18:05 <sbromwich> so far, with the settings I've given, it's my fastest yet
Apr 17 02:18:16 <FuMan> i dont scroll up and down, on 4x4, but i still see it sideways
Apr 17 02:18:58 <sbromwich> ok, its not me or the kernel or the alcohol then ;-)
Apr 17 02:19:19 <sbromwich> still testing everything works though
Apr 17 02:19:29 <uNiXpSyChO> i had too much vodka.
Apr 17 02:19:36 <uNiXpSyChO> i am seeing things
Apr 17 02:19:37 <zsoc> uNiXpSyChO: haven't we all
Apr 17 02:19:43 <zsoc> uNiXpSyChO: don't die
Apr 17 02:19:47 <sbromwich> *grin*
Apr 17 02:19:51 <sbromwich> good call.
Apr 17 02:19:56 <zsoc> sbromwich: quick instructions for kernel install?
Apr 17 02:19:57 <jammasterclay> I am getting script errors when using peware. Any tips?
Apr 17 02:19:58 <zsoc> from bin
Apr 17 02:20:01 * sbromwich had forgottent he vodka in the freezer.
Apr 17 02:20:12 <FuMan> !!
Apr 17 02:20:17 * zsoc has skittles vodka around
Apr 17 02:20:20 <FuMan> ok
Apr 17 02:20:26 <FuMan> what the hell is with skittle vodka
Apr 17 02:20:30 <FuMan> i had never seen that, until about a week ago
Apr 17 02:20:39 <sbromwich> zsoc: cd /tmp && wget www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage_1416_vidtest && novaterm
Apr 17 02:20:40 <FuMan> and i've seen it like 5 times since, and its awful
Apr 17 02:20:42 * uNiXpSyChO vodka still in brown paper bag
Apr 17 02:20:44 <sbromwich> tellbootie recover
Apr 17 02:21:03 <zsoc> let me make sure the right phone is plugged in lol
Apr 17 02:21:06 <FuMan> novacom boot mem:// < /location/of/image
Apr 17 02:21:12 <FuMan> wahoo, i know the tricks now :)
Apr 17 02:21:14 <sbromwich> what FuMan said
Apr 17 02:21:27 <sbromwich> *grin*
Apr 17 02:21:37 <sbromwich> brb
Apr 17 02:21:42 <FuMan> sbromwich, command I can run to make sure my event.d script ran correctly, and i've got all the scalers setup right?
Apr 17 02:22:07 <FuMan> i could probably just cat one of the frequency checker thingies
Apr 17 02:22:22 <FuMan> but, thats me brancing and pretending i know what that command does
Apr 17 02:23:06 <zsoc> novacom boot mem:// < /tmp/uImage_1416_vidtest ?
Apr 17 02:23:35 <FuMan> well, i don't store the uimage on my device
Apr 17 02:23:41 <FuMan> never really thought about doing that, but i suppose that would wor
Apr 17 02:23:42 <FuMan> k
Apr 17 02:24:33 <zsoc> .. no it's not on my device
Apr 17 02:24:35 <zsoc> i have it locally
Apr 17 02:25:07 <FuMan> oh, yeah
Apr 17 02:25:14 <FuMan> you crazy kids
Apr 17 02:25:19 <zsoc> ...
Apr 17 02:25:19 <FuMan> that makes a lot more sense, then yes, thats the command
Apr 17 02:25:25 <zsoc> yeah doesn't work
Apr 17 02:25:33 <FuMan> did you tellbootie recover first?
Apr 17 02:25:36 <zsoc> oh
Apr 17 02:25:37 <zsoc> right
Apr 17 02:25:42 <FuMan> mark it.
Apr 17 02:25:45 * FuMan just fixed someones problem
Apr 17 02:26:01 <zsoc> ok perfect
Apr 17 02:26:02 <zsoc> i like this
Apr 17 02:26:10 <zsoc> FuMan: you only need to tell me once :D
Apr 17 02:26:19 <PuffTheMagic> yo i need the brains of some other people
Apr 17 02:26:19 <zsoc> holy crap that is fast
Apr 17 02:26:25 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: drink more
Apr 17 02:26:32 <PuffTheMagic> no no
Apr 17 02:26:41 <FuMan> idiot threshold question
Apr 17 02:26:48 <PuffTheMagic> well
Apr 17 02:26:51 <PuffTheMagic> not too complicated
Apr 17 02:26:52 <PuffTheMagic> but
Apr 17 02:26:58 <PuffTheMagic> idk what to do
Apr 17 02:27:02 <FuMan> if i tried to make a script in etc/event.d to run a buch of echo commands for scaling ferquency
Apr 17 02:27:20 <PuffTheMagic> i have a variabled that goes between -1 and 1
Apr 17 02:27:38 <PuffTheMagic> i want to change the color of something based on that
Apr 17 02:27:49 <PuffTheMagic> like a gradient or something
Apr 17 02:27:58 <FuMan> would i need to include a mount -o, remount,rw/ in there?
Apr 17 02:28:28 <zsoc> sbromwich: what voodoo is this?
Apr 17 02:28:33 <sbromwich> yeah
Apr 17 02:28:40 <zsoc> it launches apps so fast
Apr 17 02:28:42 <sbromwich> zsoc: I'm playing with video power savings
Apr 17 02:28:47 <sbromwich> er
Apr 17 02:28:50 <sbromwich> it does?
Apr 17 02:28:54 * zsoc shrugs
Apr 17 02:28:56 <zsoc> is it 800?
Apr 17 02:29:00 <sbromwich> it's 800
Apr 17 02:29:09 <zsoc> i don't know, i haven't played with kernels really except an old 800 one i've had forever
Apr 17 02:29:12 <sbromwich> with the settings I gave it should clock down to 125
Apr 17 02:29:26 <FuMan> sbromwich, i would need to remount,rw/ at the start of the event.d script?
Apr 17 02:29:43 <sbromwich> I thought it was almost acceptable, I don't know it's vodoo
Apr 17 02:29:51 <sbromwich> FuMan: progbalby not a bad idea
Apr 17 02:29:58 <zsoc> FuMan: yes
Apr 17 02:30:00 <FuMan> its weird
Apr 17 02:30:04 <sbromwich> FuMan: mamouton?
Apr 17 02:30:05 <FuMan> a few of the commands in there stuck
Apr 17 02:30:14 <FuMan> but some didn't
Apr 17 02:30:24 <FuMan> scaling max and min were in effect, but anticipatory was not
Apr 17 02:30:25 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: i think GLSL does something like that
Apr 17 02:30:36 <PuffTheMagic> no
Apr 17 02:30:44 <PuffTheMagic> thats way way way way more than i need
Apr 17 02:30:50 <PuffTheMagic> actually i need 0 1
Apr 17 02:30:51 <sbromwich> check uname -a to make sure it's current
Apr 17 02:30:53 <PuffTheMagic> so grayscal will work
Apr 17 02:30:58 <PuffTheMagic> but colors would look nicer
Apr 17 02:31:38 <sbromwich> oh, the cpufreq settings don't need / rw
Apr 17 02:31:40 <FuMan> Ap 17 PREEMPT
Apr 17 02:31:42 <sbromwich> or anticipatory
Apr 17 02:31:48 <sbromwich> ok, that sounds right
Apr 17 02:31:59 <sbromwich> do you find the vodeo any faster?
Apr 17 02:32:02 <sbromwich> or the video
Apr 17 02:32:06 <FuMan> hrm, then I wonder why my powers bias and stuff didn't stay
Apr 17 02:32:20 <sbromwich> hmmm
Apr 17 02:32:28 <sbromwich> let me check against mine
Apr 17 02:32:50 <FuMan> and when you say video, you literally mean video playback?
Apr 17 02:33:18 <sbromwich> I mean... I guess graphics card would be hte best analogy
Apr 17 02:33:36 <Lumiere> does anyone know the size of webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.3.5.jar
Apr 17 02:34:01 <Lumiere> or a md5sum
Apr 17 02:34:56 <FuMan> ill run N.O.V.A. for a bit, see if it acts crazy
Apr 17 02:35:11 <Lumiere> nm
Apr 17 02:35:18 <FuMan> hahah, well, thats not good
Apr 17 02:35:43 <zsoc> o gawd
Apr 17 02:35:53 <FuMan> fair bit of flicker / tearing
Apr 17 02:36:15 <sbromwich> is that 3d?
Apr 17 02:36:21 <FuMan> jah
Apr 17 02:36:31 <sbromwich> have you got glyder2?
Apr 17 02:36:55 <FuMan> no, but ill grab it
Apr 17 02:36:59 <sbromwich> ta
Apr 17 02:37:05 <FuMan> I'm getting a lil bit of flicker in mp4 playback as well
Apr 17 02:37:12 <sbromwich> k
Apr 17 02:37:40 <Lumiere> great... I have 1.3.1 and 1.4.0
Apr 17 02:37:40 <FuMan> and im using the suggested settings in the 1.4.0 melt your phone series" thread
Apr 17 02:37:44 <Lumiere> but not 1.3.5
Apr 17 02:38:21 <Lumiere> does anyone know where I can get the 1.3.5 doctor?
Apr 17 02:38:21 <sbromwich> I'm seeing the cpu hanging but video is smooth as silk
Apr 17 02:38:56 <sbromwich> oh, it's coming back to normal
Apr 17 02:38:58 <sbromwich> yeah
Apr 17 02:39:04 <sbromwich> this one is not good for 3d
Apr 17 02:39:27 <FuMan> nor video playback in general for me
Apr 17 02:39:53 <sbromwich> ok, let me recompile a bit less aggressively
Apr 17 02:41:03 * FuMan will be outlining... holler
Apr 17 02:41:30 <sbromwich> ta :-)
Apr 17 02:43:03 <PuffTheMagic> all
Apr 17 02:43:05 <PuffTheMagic> finally
Apr 17 02:43:15 <PuffTheMagic> got a tracking number for th ephone
Apr 17 02:43:50 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: yay :D
Apr 17 02:53:52 <LarrySteeze> anyone around?
Apr 17 02:53:59 <zsoc> always
Apr 17 02:54:04 <zsoc> we have no lives
Apr 17 02:54:21 <zsoc> we are slaves to rod
Apr 17 02:54:26 <nt4cats> I have a life, but I'm doing a production deployment right now, so I'm here.
Apr 17 02:54:43 <nt4cats> Okay, I was lying about the 'having a life' part.
Apr 17 02:54:52 <zsoc> nt4cats: so i was thinking about it. if i went to philly i'd have to go to games wearing a mets jersey.. is this ok?
Apr 17 02:54:53 <Lumiere> lol
Apr 17 02:55:15 <Lumiere> ugh
Apr 17 02:55:16 <nt4cats> zsoc: Phillies fans are 100x more friendly than Eagles fans
Apr 17 02:55:38 <zsoc> nt4cats: good to know. it helps that you have the best team in baseball :p so there's not much to be mad about lol
Apr 17 02:55:39 <nt4cats> zsoc: you might get called an a-hole by a few drunks, but that'd be the worst of it.
Apr 17 02:55:48 * Lumiere notes that getting setup to work on auto building needs to be tweaked
Apr 17 02:57:07 * uNiXpSyChO someone take my keyboard away...i rebooted my workstation instead of me Pre...too much vodka
Apr 17 02:57:14 <nt4cats> zsoc: if you went to an Eagles game in a NY jersey you would be subjected to constant rude and agressive verbal abuse, people would try to pick fights with you, and you'd probably have random things thrown at you (e.g. hot dogs, eggs, empty cups, half-full cups, etc.).  I speak from personal experience here.
Apr 17 02:57:19 <zsoc> uNiXpSyChO: i've done that a few times
Apr 17 02:57:30 <zsoc> nt4cats: that's bad
Apr 17 02:57:32 <nt4cats> uNiXpSyChO: you pressed Orange-SYM-R on your workstation?
Apr 17 02:57:46 <zsoc> nt4cats: ever get anywhere with that python stuff?
Apr 17 02:57:50 <nt4cats> zsoc: yes, Eagles fans are pigs
Apr 17 02:58:24 <uNiXpSyChO> nt4cats: i thought i was in novaterm but wasnt... typed reboot.  POOF...
Apr 17 02:58:28 <nt4cats> zsoc: My biggest learning curve there would be the WIDK toolchain ... haven't gone there yet
Apr 17 02:58:56 <zsoc> nt4cats: do you have any cross compile experience at all?
Apr 17 02:59:38 <nt4cats> zsoc: nope, I've always developed on my native platform.  Lots of c/c++ in my day, so the language stuff isn't intimidating
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