**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 19 02:59:56 2010 Apr 19 03:08:56 Tman_, you around? Apr 19 04:04:31 * uNiXpSyChO|Zzzzz is away Apr 19 04:07:36 ka6sox: yup Apr 19 04:22:22 I knew a Tman about 5yrs ago... Apr 19 04:22:38 same one as I met before? Apr 19 04:31:46 odd... I have wirc on my phone but I never come on this server with it. Apr 19 04:33:25 what server do you use? Apr 19 04:37:19 the one for the lug at the university I went to Apr 19 04:37:39 I'm *always* connected to that one in some way Apr 19 06:38:20 uber-kernel 1.4.1-9 now includes a real OMAP internal temp sensor Apr 19 06:39:25 rwhitby: does it work? Apr 19 06:39:58 preoccupied: it's given values from 30 deg to 38 deg running between 500MHz and 600MHz for me so far Apr 19 06:41:03 what other reasonw ould you want to run uber-kernel for? Apr 19 06:42:19 rwhitby: ok, sounds great. And can we install using Preware Alpha? Apr 19 06:44:14 psykoz: http://bit.ly/next-gen-kernels Apr 19 06:44:33 preoccupied: it's a build-it-yourself deal at the moment Apr 19 06:45:34 BYOK Apr 19 06:47:23 rwhitby: using the bootie stuff, i suppose Apr 19 06:47:44 i have to sit down and actually try it out....haven't found the time yet Apr 19 06:47:45 lol Apr 19 06:47:50 preoccupied: no, you can use preware/build.git to create a kernel ipkg that is installable using palm-install Apr 19 06:49:33 rwhitby: so, i would have to use git and clone the webos internals tree, run the build commands, and it would pop out an ipkg? Apr 19 06:49:53 preoccupied: yep Apr 19 06:50:13 preoccupied: make hardware-index is what you want Apr 19 06:50:41 (that will build the toolchain, and the hardware-related patches and kernels) Apr 19 06:50:51 rwhitby: ok...doesn't sound too bad. unfortunately, i'm in windows 7 now Apr 19 06:51:03 i'll try it tomorrow. Apr 19 06:51:19 rwhitby: thanks Apr 19 06:51:25 let us know if it works for you. Apr 19 06:51:51 ok, will do that Apr 19 06:52:02 preoccupied: see /msg Apr 19 07:13:38 woot i see cpu temp is good Apr 19 07:13:47 how useful is it? ;P Apr 19 07:21:26 Robi_: upcoming app/service with changing icon: http://i43.tinypic.com/s28rrd.png :) Apr 19 07:21:56 so i decided to stay up and try it Apr 19 07:22:04 my cpu temp is 44 degrees Apr 19 07:22:08 while my bat is 38 Apr 19 07:22:22 as rwhitby said, there is a lot of crap between the two Apr 19 07:22:41 and thats looking at /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input Apr 19 07:22:42 dispersing the heat Apr 19 07:22:47 yeah Apr 19 07:22:49 interesting Apr 19 07:23:05 that's at stock speeds as well Apr 19 07:23:14 but it might go lower i guess Apr 19 07:23:16 just finished booting Apr 19 07:24:07 hmm Apr 19 07:24:12 it appears to be holding steady at 44 Apr 19 07:24:39 hey guys, i recently got the palm pixi and i've already accessed linux. the usbnet instructions from webos-internals.org/wiki worked great except for the final step; obtaining an IP from the usb0 interface on a local _linux_ machine. there's preemptive behavior such as sending and receiving one byte but no _definite_ internet access. Any Suggestions? Apr 19 07:28:10 hmm down to 41 degrees Apr 19 07:28:26 well, i'll look more into it tomorrow Apr 19 07:28:28 also, within novaterm there seems to be no problems with net access from the usb0 driver, but within the local system--it's somewhat impossible trying to obtain a dhcp release... Apr 19 07:29:03 driver/interface* Apr 19 07:42:25 oil: ooooh aaaah purty Apr 19 07:42:25 what i assume to achieve is _tethering_ ; but the question is am i confusing what usbnet really does... Apr 19 07:43:26 k\t: that's already been solved with freetether and mytether apps Apr 19 07:43:54 oh but you dont have wifi on the pixi right? Apr 19 07:44:07 Robi_: correct Apr 19 07:44:24 the ad-hoc wifi is the nicest tethering Apr 19 07:44:51 Robi_: i did try enabling usbnet/dhcp with usb connection from mytether, but the same issued occured, connection to usb0 iface but no dhcp lease... Apr 19 07:45:07 sprint rolling out 4G should be better too Apr 19 07:45:33 no lease given, or no lease obtained? Apr 19 07:47:33 the error was something towards 'dhclient -- unable to obtain any leases... sleeping' Apr 19 07:47:54 ok, so time to look at what's supposed to be giving leases Apr 19 07:48:09 or if iptables is filtering your dhcp requests Apr 19 07:48:53 i'm kind of new to this so... Apr 19 07:49:44 kinda stuck on how to deal... Apr 19 07:52:39 Robi_: perhaps you have another guide that i could follow Apr 19 07:54:11 for instance, i should bring up the usb0 iface on the local machine then try to obtain a dhcp release using dhclient, correct? Apr 19 07:54:40 make sure dhclient is trying to get an ip for the right interface, ir usb0 Apr 19 07:54:45 s/ir/ie Apr 19 07:55:12 so ifconfig usb0, dhclient usb0.. Apr 19 07:55:17 let me try... Apr 19 07:57:53 so the message is 'No DHCPOFFERS received' Apr 19 07:58:46 i may need to reboot.. Apr 19 08:03:08 is there a dhcpd ? Apr 19 08:03:20 if you set an IP manually does it work? Apr 19 08:03:34 i will try now... Apr 19 08:05:59 Gah. These spurious volume button presses are driving me nuts. Is there anything I can do to stop them? Apr 19 08:07:49 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2390684 Apr 19 08:10:54 rwhitby: did I read it right that the last preware update hat a fix to remove a bug when scanning unknown packages? Apr 19 08:11:01 well..no, would it be wise to activate my tether at this point? Apr 19 08:11:12 I naver had a problem there, but now I have!! Apr 19 08:11:24 hape_: latest preware alpha, yes. Apr 19 08:11:59 I hangs whil checking unknown packages. Pack age name is i-marco-app.scientificcalcuator Apr 19 08:12:27 Haels says V0.9.36 Apr 19 08:13:01 Help says V0.9.36 Apr 19 08:13:50 at one point usb0:avahi appeared, now i've seem to ahve even _lost_ how far i got before... crap Apr 19 08:14:03 have* Apr 19 08:16:34 hape_, thats the lastest Apr 19 08:16:51 well within novaterm, /var/gadget/usbnet_enabled exist... so, idk. Apr 19 08:18:22 rwhitby: Puh, now he was able to load. I chcek /var/log/messages and there was some errors => http://pastebin.com/gijPNDCW Apr 19 08:19:17 hape_: are you running Preware or Preware Alpha ? Apr 19 08:19:33 the proposed fix is only in Preware Alpha Apr 19 08:22:00 Not sure. I have that test and normal feeds enabled. An preware told me today that ther is an updated that was not avalable yesterday evening. Apr 19 08:22:09 How can I check if I run the alpha? Apr 19 08:25:13 hape_: it's a different app called "Preware Alpha" Apr 19 08:27:01 ok, then I'm not on the alpha version Apr 19 08:30:56 hape_: you will be a good test case then Apr 19 08:31:07 hape_: install Preware Alpha and see if it still hangs Apr 19 08:38:42 Robi_: so explicity setting the ip has left me at "network is unreachable" Apr 19 08:39:07 perhaps route? Apr 19 08:39:18 rwhitby: It now load, but I will still test if the alpha behave different. Installing right now Apr 19 08:39:21 route command of course... Apr 19 08:40:58 oil: fyi, I added more subscription var assigns for the control and appinfo file reads Apr 19 08:41:16 oil: hoping that will fix the hangs. Preware Alpha has the fix Apr 19 08:49:41 rwhitby: no hang, but again error messages in /var/log/messages after the scan progress bar is closed => http://pastebin.com/JWDbETvP Apr 19 08:56:26 cannot read property window of undefined? Apr 19 08:56:28 that can't be good Apr 19 08:56:29 lol Apr 19 08:57:25 "this.controller.window.clearTimeout(this.currentHelpTimer);" Apr 19 09:00:23 i'm confusing something foor sure, usb0 net is up both local and mobile, ssh works from local workstation to cellular device... i must be completely--confusing tethering Apr 19 09:00:28 for* Apr 19 09:04:51 well then , new question: is it possible to use a webos phone as modem through the sdk or novacom into the pc? Apr 19 09:08:36 ok, that didn't make sense... well thanks all for the ~ help Apr 19 09:08:49 bye Apr 19 09:15:36 hi Apr 19 10:56:40 have a quick ? is there a app to clean up files from apps I delete ? Apr 19 10:59:22 anyone Apr 19 11:00:25 Apr 19 11:02:00 guess it's too early Apr 19 11:17:01 DrFunk: Erly, itt is 1:30pm here :-) . But i do not know your aswer. I did it manually via nvaterm the last time. Apr 19 11:17:57 do you think clean up vkb files will work ? Apr 19 11:19:49 hape_: ? Apr 19 11:21:51 DrFunk: HSome days agao I checked my app dir from the commandline via novaterm. And removed the left over stuff. Apr 19 11:22:40 what are vkb files? Apr 19 11:24:50 virtual keyboard Apr 19 11:25:35 I think the app in preware vkb will work not sure that's why I'm asking Apr 19 11:26:31 I think it will clean up files that were left behind Apr 19 11:27:17 I'm looking for a app that will clean up things that I installed than didn't like and deleted Apr 19 11:29:53 Just started Palm SDK for first time. It has a popup to select which version of OS to run and it includes TWO for each version. Is that what it should do? Apr 19 11:34:49 mischko: not sure Apr 19 11:35:48 need to charge phone bbl Apr 19 11:37:17 mischko: if you're where I think you are one is for a regular resolution palm pre and the other is for a palm pre with a restricted resolution (as when there are messages in the popup strip)... I *think*. Apr 19 11:37:30 doesn't matter too much which you select Apr 19 11:38:36 Wierd. The resolutions shown by each are all the same. Apr 19 11:47:46 flip a coin? Apr 19 11:48:01 worst case scenario you'll have to do a reinstall, which isn't that bad Apr 19 12:38:23 anyone awake ? Apr 19 12:38:26 lol Apr 19 12:41:13 anyone no of a app where I can clean up files of programs I installed than deleted ?? Apr 19 12:43:02 * balrog-k1n is awake but doesn't know, but knows the package manager should have taken care of this Apr 19 12:43:25 modulo cleaning up your ~/.* dirs or some webos specific user config dirs Apr 19 12:44:23 well I see somethings I don't use @ all do you no of a app that will clean them up Apr 19 12:44:39 hi rwhitby Apr 19 12:45:58 balrog-k1n: do you no of a app? Apr 19 12:46:17 DrFunk: nope, sorry Apr 19 12:47:33 rwhitby-pre: do you no of a app I can use to clean up files from programs I installed than deleted ? Apr 19 12:47:39 (it's spelt "know") Apr 19 12:48:32 balrog-k1n: thanks just typing quick Apr 19 12:48:42 lol Apr 19 12:48:52 :) Apr 19 12:49:01 preware alpha Apr 19 12:49:34 can you point me in the dir to get that ? Apr 19 12:50:47 anyone else testing uber-kernel with internal CPU temp sensor? Apr 19 12:53:27 rwhitby-pre: not sure if you seen my post but can you point me I the right dir ? Apr 19 13:18:03 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/ Apr 19 13:18:20 is that the correct feed for testing ? Apr 19 13:33:26 ~testing-feed Apr 19 13:33:27 methinks testing-feed is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Apr 19 13:40:20 destinal-wirc: sup Apr 19 13:40:43 heya Apr 19 13:42:47 going to try this for the 3rd time lol Apr 19 14:20:20 has anyone been testing the CPU temp patch? Apr 19 14:20:40 my batt is at 44 while CPU is 48 Apr 19 14:20:57 what are some good CPU intensive tasks? Apr 19 14:21:01 running music & GPS? Apr 19 14:22:23 I have a problem with the Xterm-App. I can only type in letters into an Xterm, no numbers or other signs. How can I fix this? Apr 19 14:23:00 ANyone running the 800mhz overclock in 1.4.1.1 Apr 19 14:25:54 hmm 49 & 44 Apr 19 14:26:04 seems like the delta is 4-5 degrees Apr 19 14:28:56 RamsesFSFE: why not use the Terminal app? Apr 19 14:33:13 ~~~~ Apr 19 14:33:14 ARGH!!! STOP IT destinal-wirc!!! Apr 19 14:34:27 * preoccupied bbl Apr 19 14:53:04 hi, i'm attempting to run the palm pixi as modem under linux using usbnet. devmod and usbnet are enabled so the workstation has obtained the iface usb0. When trying to connect, i have obtained an dhcp ip lease from the phone but while connected, there's no _real_ internet access. ping, for instance... will literally obtain ip but will not send or receive packets--resulting in 100% packet loss. so if anyone has any documentation o Apr 19 14:53:15 also: i am able to ping the ip with the dhcp release, the phone (and ssh into it). Apr 19 14:54:06 sup Rick_work long time no talk Apr 19 14:58:22 k\t: check your iptables, dmesg is probably telling you about dropped packets at a guess Apr 19 15:16:58 not much. Quiet day at the office so far. Apr 19 15:17:04 trying to actually get some work done. Apr 19 15:17:11 Spring allergies suck. Apr 19 15:17:21 * Lumiere agrees with Rick_work Apr 19 16:14:04 so TI doesn't give us the Operating Temperature range for the OMAP3430. Just says don't go over 600mhz on the processor. Apr 19 16:14:44 the 3530 operates up to 720mhz and operates from 0-90 deg C. Apr 19 16:15:25 (according to the TI datasheet. Apr 19 16:15:27 ) Apr 19 16:16:41 anybody found any better data on the operating temperature range of an OMAP3430? Apr 19 16:22:42 crashes if you busywait too long overclocked Apr 19 16:22:57 but you can fix that by putting the pre on a towel-wrapped icepack Apr 19 16:23:05 this solution may not be popular with the average user Apr 19 16:25:38 sbromwich, when I see the water tubes coming out the side I'll know you have arrived. Apr 19 16:26:45 yeah, probably just as well I declined rwhitby's offer of a pre, I would have been too tempted to slice it apart to replace bits ;-) Apr 19 16:27:20 water cooling would probably void the warranty. Apr 19 16:28:04 ka6sox: under the stock frequency, i've only been able to hit ~50 degrees Apr 19 16:28:18 going after the innards with an exacto-knife wouldn't exactly help matters either Apr 19 16:28:56 preoccupied, thats only about 122deg F Apr 19 16:29:02 so not much Apr 19 16:32:50 ka6sox: yeah...i can probably get it higher by going to 800MHz Apr 19 16:33:57 * ka6sox sees thermal runaway. Apr 19 16:34:49 anyone remember the sys path to the frequency? Apr 19 16:35:27 /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ Apr 19 16:36:13 thanks Apr 19 16:36:53 np Apr 19 16:37:49 so if i want to make it stay at 800, should it be: echo 800000 > scaling_cur_freq ? Apr 19 16:37:54 What is the patch called for the overclock? Apr 19 16:38:07 the 800mhz overclock or do I need to download it Apr 19 16:38:30 Sorry to interupt... let me start over. Hello everyone :) Apr 19 16:38:38 CTL advance: right now you need to build it. Apr 19 16:39:02 CTLAdvance: i guess you can use Jeff's ipk in the forums Apr 19 16:39:58 echo 800000 > scaling_min_freq ; echo 800000 > scaling_max_freq Apr 19 16:40:29 thanks Apr 19 16:40:38 ok let me take a look Apr 19 16:40:39 if performance is listed in scaling_available_governors echo performance > scaling_governor Apr 19 16:41:06 I would expect your battery life to be... somewhat diminished though Apr 19 16:41:55 yeah...i'm just testing the temp now Apr 19 16:42:17 i'll probably set the min to 500 & max to 800 for real use Apr 19 16:42:33 ya kno Apr 19 16:42:33 w Apr 19 16:42:41 even at running 800 flat Apr 19 16:42:46 i never really saw much battery life hit Apr 19 16:42:53 still didn't make it through a day :P Apr 19 16:43:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko Apr 19 16:43:51 I *do* like to see a man enjoy his work. Apr 19 16:43:56 bbiaf Apr 19 16:48:06 sbromwich: would using performance ramp up the CPU more quickly / generate more heat? Apr 19 16:52:23 not necessarily Apr 19 16:53:00 it'll run at 800MHz all the time but if the phone's in cpuidle mode it'll effectively be off, no difference from normal Apr 19 16:53:00 sbromwich: oh..my goal is to generate heat Apr 19 16:53:31 if you're hammering it doing actual work (cpu benchmarks or something) then that'll do the trick Apr 19 16:53:32 preoccupied: trying to measure how high i can get with the cpu temp Apr 19 16:53:33 ok Apr 19 16:53:43 ok, thanks Apr 19 16:53:53 I think there's the byte benchmarks in the ipkg-opt feed, that'll do it for you Apr 19 16:54:03 preoccupied: to answer your question: I have a debian chrooted on the pre and want to run X applications. With the normal terminal app, I can't do this Apr 19 16:54:18 can you run X on the pre now? Apr 19 16:54:26 last I tried there wasn't a driver for the pointing device Apr 19 16:54:34 nbench-byte - 2.2.2-1 - BYTE's Native Mode Benchmarks Apr 19 16:54:40 bougyman: xsdl Apr 19 16:54:45 bougyman: *xsdl/kdrive Apr 19 16:54:49 install that, that should do the trick for you preoccupied Apr 19 16:54:49 dtzWill: interesting Apr 19 16:54:53 RamsesFSFE: oh, ic. Haven't played around with xterm Apr 19 16:55:18 preoccupied: it works fine, and I'm happy with it - except for this numbers and signs problem :-) Apr 19 16:55:25 bougyman: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/240926-x-server-pre.html etc, but it's just X Apr 19 16:55:45 sbromwich: ok, thanks Apr 19 16:56:20 RamsesFSFE: what problem? :). either post in that thread ^^^ or ping me (or someone on webos-internals) if you have issues. number/signs issue doesn't sound familiar? Apr 19 16:57:15 what's the command to install optware packages again? ipkg-opt install? Apr 19 16:58:07 answered my own question Apr 19 16:58:26 indeed you did :-) Apr 19 16:59:36 Actually both the 720 and 800mhz are in a nice package Apr 19 16:59:43 this is good Apr 19 17:01:27 sbromwich: thanks! Apr 19 17:03:51 hmm, got the CPU up to 49 with the test Apr 19 17:04:26 run a few of them in parallel to thrash the cache Apr 19 17:04:38 ya, I was about to just say that. Apr 19 17:04:41 nbench & Apr 19 17:04:47 (rinse and repeat 4 or 5 times) Apr 19 17:05:04 what frequency was that running @? Apr 19 17:06:01 ok Apr 19 17:06:04 running at 800 Apr 19 17:06:09 k Apr 19 17:06:17 did it feel particularly warm? Apr 19 17:06:21 running 5 Apr 19 17:06:25 nope....never got warm Apr 19 17:06:27 and do you know what the battery temp is? Apr 19 17:06:29 bat stayed at 38 Apr 19 17:06:30 hmmm... interesting Apr 19 17:06:35 interestinger Apr 19 17:06:38 plugged in charger tho @ 100% Apr 19 17:07:18 that shouldn't make much of a difference Apr 19 17:07:35 yeah, well i guess it's not charging, so the battery is being used? Apr 19 17:07:36 specially with multiple nbench's running in parallel Apr 19 17:07:48 weeeeell... maybe Apr 19 17:08:13 I can drive mine hard enough that it'll draw too much current from the 500mA on my laptop's USB port and start draining the battery Apr 19 17:08:32 I must admit I've never tried doing it with the charger, which I think is... uhhh... 1A? Apr 19 17:08:39 yup Apr 19 17:08:56 yeah, 1A@5V Apr 19 17:09:04 typical for phones Apr 19 17:09:46 so that'll give you 5W, 500mA will give you 2.5W (best case), and measured with my killawatt it'll quite happily pull between 2 and 3W Apr 19 17:10:31 if I remember ohm's law correctly, and I'm sure someone will correct me if not ;-) Apr 19 17:11:17 your memory is working fine. Apr 19 17:11:25 orange green red. Apr 19 17:11:25 at least something is ;-) Apr 19 17:12:39 nebula, 3.5k? Apr 19 17:12:52 nebula: I had to look that up then the memories all came flooding back Apr 19 17:13:40 don't think I'd trust myself to pick up the right one without looking it up on a table first though ;-) Apr 19 17:14:18 hah, i used to have a carboard thingy Apr 19 17:14:25 preoccupied, did your phone melt? Apr 19 17:14:26 hmm...up to 52 now Apr 19 17:14:37 lol, nope...still running those nbenches Apr 19 17:14:51 wow...battery is 35 Apr 19 17:14:52 yeah, I bought a shedload from... what's that really good electronics place outside boston? and they came on a card with all the values in a nice lookup table Apr 19 17:15:09 so battery really isn't accurate at all Apr 19 17:15:11 still within limits, I would say, preoccupied Apr 19 17:15:20 in terms of cpu temp Apr 19 17:15:28 I've had the battery warmer than that just from being in my pocket Apr 19 17:15:41 ka6sox: radioshack resistor reference tool, used to keep it in my bookbag Apr 19 17:15:58 nebula, yep, I carried one for years. Apr 19 17:16:04 love it Apr 19 17:16:24 especially nice @ 3am when you are attempting to repair something that is partially charred. Apr 19 17:16:26 I remember that was one of the first apps on the palm 5000 Apr 19 17:16:40 nice idea but... mono screen might not have been the best choice ;-) Apr 19 17:16:43 hehe Apr 19 17:17:05 yeah....seems to be stable at 52 degrees Apr 19 17:17:11 ooh, 52 nice Apr 19 17:17:32 that's not too shabby Apr 19 17:17:35 sbromwich: you-do-it electronics Apr 19 17:17:41 that's the one Apr 19 17:18:06 I swore I'd never go again after dropping $2k in there last time I went Apr 19 17:18:15 *that* was a fun haul to get across the border Apr 19 17:18:18 hah, spent 600 on an APCO-25 scanner Apr 19 17:18:21 even in pre-2001 days Apr 19 17:18:58 is this the "new" competition: http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone Apr 19 17:19:00 ? Apr 19 17:19:14 nebula: oh you got an APCO P-25 scanner ? Apr 19 17:20:33 dtzWill: I have a problem with the xterm app. I can only type in letters, no numbers or other signs like -,* etc. Apr 19 17:21:35 bpadalino|work: yeah Apr 19 17:21:36 ok...7 nbenches running Apr 19 17:21:38 up to 53 Apr 19 17:21:43 bat at 36 Apr 19 17:21:52 nebula: neat - how well does it work ? Apr 19 17:21:54 bpadalino|work: sounds like nextel ;) Apr 19 17:22:06 oh are there lots of beeps and whatnot / Apr 19 17:22:09 the reception for non ap25 sucks :( Apr 19 17:22:13 nah, it's good. Apr 19 17:22:26 it's a uniden portable Apr 19 17:22:29 I wonder if there is something to tell us if there is CPU throttling going on. Apr 19 17:22:36 there are Apr 19 17:22:38 that's cool .. we make a multiband p25 radio but i have no idea how well it works Apr 19 17:22:48 prolly better ;) Apr 19 17:22:51 ka6sox: there is a sysfs interface for those stats Apr 19 17:23:10 okay I'll have to poke around. Apr 19 17:23:38 to use the most power, you should be exercing all processors as much as possible - meaning 3d for the graphics accelerator, arm on the linux side, and spin the DSP calculating lots of silly things Apr 19 17:24:00 ka6sox: if its not there then i needs to be enabled in kconfig Apr 19 17:24:00 bpadalino|work, so playing a game. Apr 19 17:24:09 but i beleive the stats u want exist Apr 19 17:24:11 and then you should shield your phone as much as possible without cutting completely out of CDMA range .. Apr 19 17:24:15 so 0.5 bars Apr 19 17:24:27 so you're transmitting as much power as possible without losing the basestation Apr 19 17:24:50 or shield it completely and let all the roaming correlations generate heat from the modem Apr 19 17:24:56 scsiraider, have to look into that and make sure that stuff is enabled Apr 19 17:25:26 bpadalino|work: just install that squid proxy, hah Apr 19 17:25:32 that'll push arm Apr 19 17:25:56 or oom the unit Apr 19 17:27:28 back to setting up test equipment .. :( Apr 19 17:27:30 bbl Apr 19 17:29:28 so what's the chances that any of you use Joomla? Apr 19 17:30:04 need help from someone that's not an... idiot Apr 19 17:30:35 I have Apr 19 17:30:47 I used to. Then I burned it Apr 19 17:30:53 then it got hacked and dumped in favour of... something else I don't recall Apr 19 17:30:58 ever use 1.5 with Google apps for email? Apr 19 17:31:13 nup, this was a CMS for cyclehalifax.ca Apr 19 17:31:15 so far Joomla is the only thing that hasn't been hacked for this poor site Apr 19 17:31:29 I'll get right on that Apr 19 17:31:31 phil_bw: *yet* ;-) Apr 19 17:31:33 heh Apr 19 17:31:52 yeah Apr 19 17:31:57 well you shoulda seen their last setup Apr 19 17:32:06 it got destroyed... Apr 19 17:32:35 I have a feeling cyclehalifax.ca dumped all CMS and are just using static pages now for everything except the forum Apr 19 17:32:59 being as I do this work for free, I'm only going to use a CMS Apr 19 17:34:36 *grin* Apr 19 17:35:28 from what I understand the safest way anyone's found to do it is to run the CMS on one machine, then basically wget -r the whole site on the hosting machine as static pages Apr 19 17:35:48 yeah, the highest i could get it wasw 53 Apr 19 17:35:49 OR not be retarted Apr 19 17:35:53 running at 800Mhz Apr 19 17:36:16 s/retarted/retarded/ Apr 19 17:36:35 i think my pre is one of those ones that can handle 800MHz pretty well Apr 19 17:36:44 it seems really stable Apr 19 17:36:53 now, see, retarted is better since it has tart in it, and I'm hungry right now Apr 19 17:37:23 eating lunch :P Apr 19 17:37:30 I hate you Apr 19 17:37:31 preoccupied, thats good information Apr 19 17:38:00 yeah, my range so far has been 41-53 Apr 19 17:38:19 Ow, any patches practical for the WebOS SMS http injection 'issues'? Apr 19 17:39:42 no idea Apr 19 17:39:42 but someone should make it rickroll people Apr 19 17:40:01 wasn't it fixed by 1.4.1? Apr 19 17:40:52 yes Apr 19 17:40:55 sbromwich: I'd use a caching proxies configured to prevent any cache reload :) Apr 19 17:41:18 earlier actually I think Apr 19 17:41:26 Ahh, hrm. Apr 19 17:45:48 Lumiere: this was to stop sql injection attacks and the like, I don't follow the CMS stuff close enough to really bother how well it works ;-) Apr 19 17:46:10 I just know the joomla config I did for hcc got hacked, though I doubt they had anyone applying patches Apr 19 17:46:49 these guys are charging $5 for lifetime membership and want webhosting with enterprise grade reliability... for free. Apr 19 17:46:51 *sigh* Apr 19 17:46:56 yet again... TANSTAAFL. Apr 19 17:56:17 does the developer of the onscreen keyboard hang out in here? Apr 19 17:58:47 sbromwich: my last job, except friday Apr 19 17:59:01 it was on one of their ad campaigns for hiring Apr 19 17:59:16 TANSTAAFL... Except friday. Apr 19 18:08:41 Hido sombody know how to find out the language that is selected by the user form a shell script. Apr 19 18:09:11 Where do webos store this information? As the LANG variable is not set? Apr 19 18:27:24 i think my pre is supposed to show up today Apr 19 18:27:42 if i'm deciphering usps' crappy tracking website correctly Apr 19 18:28:35 zsoc is running wirc 0.1.0? Apr 19 18:28:49 huh? Apr 19 18:29:01 * oilsworkn added a bunch of new stuff yestaday Apr 19 18:29:16 oh Apr 19 18:29:19 1 sec Apr 19 18:29:34 * zsoc_wirc fires up preware alpha Apr 19 18:29:40 Trying to change themes in PreWare and I get an error. In the IPKG Log is says it can't create the directory. Apr 19 18:29:40 lol Apr 19 18:29:42 like its in preware Apr 19 18:29:44 it loads so fast xD Apr 19 18:29:44 Thoughts? Apr 19 18:29:52 it needs the 010 service Apr 19 18:29:54 oilsworkn: not in testing feed? Apr 19 18:29:55 which isn't in preware Apr 19 18:29:58 no Apr 19 18:30:12 oilsworkn: why aren't they combined into 1 package? Apr 19 18:30:18 LOL Apr 19 18:30:20 not in the ultra-super-secret-alpha-testing feed? :p Apr 19 18:30:22 LOL Apr 19 18:30:39 rats...didn't beat him. Apr 19 18:30:41 oilsworkn: why is that funny. preware alpha is 1 packagae Apr 19 18:30:47 cause the programmers of the service haven't done anything in forever Apr 19 18:30:51 as is save/restore Apr 19 18:30:56 and i can only say that because i did a bunch of code yesterday Apr 19 18:30:58 xD Apr 19 18:31:25 oilsworkn: oh, well just dump the server into the app repo in src/ and edit the makefiles and autobuilder files, not hard Apr 19 18:31:28 the service has had the same problem stoping it from being released for like 3 months Apr 19 18:31:37 not hard? Apr 19 18:31:48 * oilsworkn leaves it in zsocs apparently capable hands then Apr 19 18:31:55 oilsworkn: if I did it with precorder, it's not hard Apr 19 18:31:58 I hear a volunteer. Apr 19 18:32:04 oilsworkn: jusy call puff a lazy bastard Apr 19 18:32:07 * oilsworkn too Apr 19 18:32:14 * oilsworkn does all the time Apr 19 18:32:33 no way, if I touch wIRCd, I will be castrated Apr 19 18:32:49 while you're setting it up for one package sexyness Apr 19 18:32:50 fix that lag meeter Apr 19 18:32:51 i'm already accused of messing with all of his projects lol Apr 19 18:32:56 zsoc_wirc: DO EET Apr 19 18:32:57 and the message json escaping problem Apr 19 18:32:59 while you're at it :) Apr 19 18:33:20 oilsworkn: when precorder gets it's error handling and images updated/fixed, I will Apr 19 18:33:31 if it's not done by then. I just need a few days Apr 19 18:33:35 * oilsworkn waits another 3 months Apr 19 18:33:53 oilsworkn, now now...if the itch gets strong enough. Apr 19 18:33:57 we need independently wealthy clones of puff Apr 19 18:34:09 * oilsworkn had to fight tooth-and-nail just to get a binary for his emu to work on the app with Apr 19 18:34:22 oilsworkn: I learned enough C to make a service in 3 months. go do it yourself :p Apr 19 18:34:28 and in the end it was egaudet that wrote it for me Apr 19 18:34:33 er, compiled it Apr 19 18:34:45 * oilsworkn sticks with being good at the front end Apr 19 18:34:55 lol Apr 19 18:35:03 and if i go and learn that, ill be stuck with fixing preware service problems Apr 19 18:35:04 I'll trade you Apr 19 18:35:05 * oilsworkn shudders Apr 19 18:35:13 fix precorders mojo Apr 19 18:35:20 lol Apr 19 18:35:25 where the hell is anoutsider Apr 19 18:35:28 you mean prelolol? Apr 19 18:35:39 he's supposed to be doing my images Apr 19 18:35:46 ... images? Apr 19 18:36:07 I need graphics. plain text widgets don't make sense in a recorder app Apr 19 18:36:25 I either need an old style tape recorder, or a new age lcd look Apr 19 18:36:35 * oilsworkn knows his way around photochop Apr 19 18:36:39 I can do it but I don't have the time to play with graphics Apr 19 18:37:26 zsoc_wirc , oilsworkn : Any idea how to get the user interface language from a shell script. I need it for Navit ans tha LANG variable is not set on the Pres Loinux. Apr 19 18:37:43 * oilsworkn stares blankly Apr 19 18:39:03 hape_: you mean the mojo localization settings? Apr 19 18:40:27 hape_: I believe if LANG is not set C is supposed to be the default BICBW Apr 19 18:46:22 zsoc_wirc: Yes, Navit uses the libc functions for langunge settings. So I need to find a way to export LANG with the right value from webos before starting Navit to get the UI in the right language Apr 19 18:48:03 sbromwich: Yes, and I need to fix this before starting Navit. Then it shows the right languge UI Apr 19 18:49:36 I want to be a security researcher Apr 19 18:49:47 I will post exploits for unpatched versions of ie6 and get them on slashdot Apr 19 18:50:14 oh, you saw that too, haha Apr 19 18:50:23 chrisa: finding exploits for ie6 is like finding straw in a hay stack Apr 19 18:50:45 hape_: navit is a QT app? Apr 19 18:50:51 or just SDL? Apr 19 18:51:11 http://ares.palm.com (Ares 1.0) is live now if anyone is tracking that Apr 19 18:51:45 zsoc_wirc: just SDL Apr 19 18:52:08 I will not be interested in ares until it drops the ares specific stuff that forces you to use it from start to finish Apr 19 18:52:37 lol Apr 19 18:53:09 hape_: I'm confused by your issue. it's a C application. why can't you just set the env var? Apr 19 18:53:35 oilsworkn: what'dya add to wirc? Apr 19 18:53:53 see git Apr 19 18:53:53 xD Apr 19 18:54:12 if you're on 004, you're going to have to scroll back a ways Apr 19 18:54:14 I can, but I would like to set it automaticly to de on my pre and to en_US on your pre. For that I need to know what setting you has done in webos Apr 19 19:01:03 zsoc_wirc: andy idea? Apr 19 19:01:25 hape_: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/000095399/basedefs/xbd_chap08.html Apr 19 19:01:42 might help. Apr 19 19:03:36 hape_: /var/luna/preferences/systemprefs.db looks to be what you want? Apr 19 19:03:55 sbromwich: you are right, that are the varable I need to set. As Palm do not set them acording to the user selection the the WebOS UI. Apr 19 19:05:23 although it seems to say my countryName is US despite being in Canada and timeZone explicitly saying Canada Apr 19 19:06:33 hm, that is not good. Will make it more difficult to set the right LANG value from that information Apr 19 19:12:39 chrisa: it seems most accessible palm employees do hardware or kernel work, or are devrel. Do you know anyone from engineering/media that hangs around the scene/forums/irc? Apr 19 19:13:21 Depends what you mean by engineering Apr 19 19:13:36 By media are we talking codec work? Apr 19 19:23:00 * nt4cats yawns Apr 19 19:23:23 chrisa: yeah he wants the gst people probably Apr 19 19:23:34 chrisa: specifically codec/dsp, and then the PDK guys Apr 19 19:23:34 I wish I had my lighter to play with Apr 19 19:23:39 :( Apr 19 19:24:14 I don't even know who the PDK people are actually Apr 19 19:24:31 lol Apr 19 19:24:33 hehe, they are locked in a room to ipad prerelease specification Apr 19 19:24:36 Wait, there are PDK guys? Apr 19 19:24:40 * halfhalo is lost again... Apr 19 19:24:45 chrisa: they're the people who live over the border from South Korea, right? Apr 19 19:25:38 And.... now I'm even more lost with the introduction of north Korea Apr 19 19:28:48 yarg me matys Apr 19 19:28:50 halfhalo: I think the offical name of North Korea is something like PDRK. I'm probably wrong. It amused me, and that is my primary goal Apr 19 19:29:41 as it should be Apr 19 19:30:14 okay, wikipedia says it is DPRK. Apr 19 19:30:22 it LIES Apr 19 19:30:27 LIES I TELL YA Apr 19 19:35:36 oh georgia Apr 19 19:45:56 * uNiXpSyChO is back. Apr 19 19:46:18 lies and pies Apr 19 19:47:14 Trying to change themes in PreWare and I get an error. In the IPKG Log is says it can't create the directory. Apr 19 19:47:25 Any ideas? Apr 19 19:47:41 MikeHoncho: what version of Preware are you using? Apr 19 19:48:26 .9.56 alpha Apr 19 19:50:06 I've tried it with a few different themes. Apr 19 20:41:33 RamsesFSFE: hold down the orange key while you hit the other key Apr 19 20:41:38 hape_: call it LANG=en_US palm-launch something Apr 19 20:41:45 gah behind by 2 hours Apr 19 20:43:37 rwhitby: would you have anything against me making a wiki account and making a page that starts to layout how it might be worth making the autobuilder work in the future? Apr 19 20:45:21 woo Apr 19 20:45:27 vzw hotspot ftw Apr 19 20:46:28 rwhitby: ah, thanks a lot! Apr 19 20:46:34 Lumiere: go for it Apr 19 20:48:10 bhern: does it support git yet? Apr 19 20:48:48 rwhitby: what about Umlauts? Do they work Apr 19 20:48:55 RamsesFSFE: no idea Apr 19 20:49:26 CTLAdvance: FYI: http://bit.ly/next-gen-kernels Apr 19 20:49:33 rwhitby: thanks anyway, you helped me a lot! :-) Apr 19 20:51:39 Lumiere: diden't get it. What is your idea? I would need it to be de for here to get the German UI Apr 19 21:03:42 preoccupied: what was the max diff you saw between CPU temp and batt temp? Apr 19 21:04:53 rwhitby: when running nbench (7 threads), bat temp was 37 and cpu was 53 Apr 19 21:05:15 so about 16 degrees difference Apr 19 21:06:09 so yeah, basically, the batt sensor is not accurate at all Apr 19 21:06:33 rwhitby: just svn and hg I think Apr 19 21:07:33 but tons of cool widgets for easy adds of sensors, PIM info, web services, maps, app launches, etc Apr 19 21:15:56 bhern: nice. Ares got to 1.0 before Preware did ;) Apr 19 21:16:06 i'm sure the team will be thrilled Apr 19 21:18:08 preoccupied: yes, I've always said that the battery temp sensor is a better measure of how much the battery is charging or discharging, rather than any good indication of CPU temp. Apr 19 21:25:05 evening Apr 19 21:25:32 'lo swissy Apr 19 21:25:44 n8 Apr 19 21:25:46 looks like the airspace is open again from tomorrow Apr 19 21:26:07 i'll probably make it to the developer days Apr 19 21:26:10 phew Apr 19 21:26:11 swisstomcat: awesome Apr 19 21:26:22 nice Apr 19 21:26:34 i'm relieved Apr 19 21:26:53 europe should just bomb Iceland Apr 19 21:26:58 yeah Apr 19 21:27:03 nuke that volcano Apr 19 21:27:08 that will shut him up Apr 19 21:27:20 swisstomcat: you think like an American Apr 19 21:27:32 * nt4cats invites swisstomcat to come on over Apr 19 21:27:49 * swisstomcat sits next to nt4cats and purrs Apr 19 21:29:13 obligate movie quote: " I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure." Apr 19 21:31:34 I wanna know what we're gonna do if the volcano continues errupting for years / decades Apr 19 21:31:55 s/rr/r/ Apr 19 21:31:55 jacques meant: I wanna know what we're gonna do if the volcano continues erupting for years / decades Apr 19 21:42:43 commute, bbl Apr 19 21:43:04 sleeptime, bbl Apr 19 21:43:06 jacques: probably just loosen the safety standards :) Apr 19 21:57:06 heh that infobot is on the freenode server my company hosts Apr 19 22:17:06 Trying to change themes in PreWare and I get an error. In the IPKG Log is says it can't create the directory. Apr 19 22:17:16 .9.56 alpha Apr 19 22:17:49 MikeHoncho: we aren't ignoring you, but we can't do anything with that information. Please pastebin the output of the ipkg log in it's entirety Apr 19 22:17:50 Anyone know how to fix this? I'm stuck on a sucky theme. Apr 19 22:17:51 or at least the stuff in red Apr 19 22:18:06 MikeHoncho: oh, well uninstall your existing theme first of course? Apr 19 22:18:31 How do I do that? I don't see a menu item for it. Apr 19 22:19:23 er.. i think it saves somewhere in /media/internal just plug it in to your computer Apr 19 22:19:27 it's like ipkg.log or something Apr 19 22:20:15 Okay, thanks. Apr 19 22:22:50 zsoc: That's not showing up and a search for ipkg.* isn't showing anything. Apr 19 22:23:42 MikeHoncho: oh, i don't /actually/ know what it's called Apr 19 22:23:47 just plug it in, and browse around that folder Apr 19 22:23:48 * zsoc sighs Apr 19 22:23:52 hold on i'll look Apr 19 22:24:10 Well, I would browse around it if I saw that folder. Apr 19 22:24:18 It eludes me, however. Apr 19 22:25:30 novaterm in and run find / -name ipkg.log Apr 19 22:26:12 webos-patches.log Apr 19 22:26:15 Does that work on Terminus too? Apr 19 22:26:18 i don't think it's in a folder Apr 19 22:26:19 ok Apr 19 22:26:21 i think it's in /media/internal Apr 19 22:26:26 MikeHoncho: should do Apr 19 22:26:38 yep, that's it, /media/internal/webos-patches.log Apr 19 22:26:43 and you may want to tail it, because it's huge Apr 19 22:26:44 I don't have a /media/internal Apr 19 22:27:08 *blink* Apr 19 22:27:10 And it's not hidden. Apr 19 22:27:29 that's... different Apr 19 22:27:43 MikeHoncho: you do, unless you are mounted to it, which means it's / Apr 19 22:27:43 I have DCIM, but there's no .log files in there. Apr 19 22:27:52 MikeHoncho: then you are already in /media/internal Apr 19 22:28:05 okay. Then just no .log file. Apr 19 22:28:34 I'll go in on Terminus and see if I see it. Apr 19 22:30:06 Yeah, no webos-patches.log Apr 19 22:34:03 I do not know the mechanism of how that file is generated. Apr 19 22:36:03 there is such thing as webos-patches.log Apr 19 22:39:07 zsoc: magick. Apr 19 23:00:38 this sounds like user error Apr 19 23:09:39 quick poll: if you had PIN set on your phone how long would you be willing to wait after pressing the power button for the system to be ready to accept your PIN? Apr 19 23:12:04 0 < wait Apr 19 23:12:40 sadly, the pre does not seem to function well as a time machine Apr 19 23:12:48 hehe Apr 19 23:13:10 promise not to tell anyone, but i'm trying to get this feature in for a future release Apr 19 23:13:13 I already have troubles waiting without a pin :P Apr 19 23:13:34 beelzabub1: wouldn't you need an extra flux capacitor for that? Apr 19 23:13:56 i'm just short a few jigawatts Apr 19 23:14:01 If it had a pin, it would have to be entered a lot. Apr 19 23:14:05 * oilsworkn got his dev pre Apr 19 23:14:05 Which means, zero wait. Apr 19 23:14:06 Kyusaku: what I'm fiddling with is related to that Apr 19 23:14:15 If I start waiting, then I'd get rid of it. Apr 19 23:14:21 sometimes I think my power button is breaking down, but it's just the lock screen locking up Apr 19 23:14:38 har... I have a 5 digit pin pushed down to my phone as a policy Apr 19 23:14:47 haha Apr 19 23:14:51 nice oilsworkn Apr 19 23:14:58 that alone is the reason pre's have become a big seller at my hospital Apr 19 23:15:02 right now, i'm just working out the kink that when you turn on the feature it transports you along with the phone 500 years into the future for a day Apr 19 23:15:05 dude didn't bother to clean it before sending it, yuck Apr 19 23:15:06 lol Apr 19 23:15:20 iphones are refused because if they're jailbroken they don't force a pin/wipe Apr 19 23:15:21 all sorts of crap behind the back cover Apr 19 23:15:31 heh Apr 19 23:15:37 i forgot what a new slider feels like Apr 19 23:15:45 mine having been opened and closed like 9 gazillion times now Apr 19 23:15:51 thats it? Apr 19 23:15:57 someone sent oila gross pre? Apr 19 23:16:01 surprisingly global warming isn't the killer issue that everyone thought it was. everyone underestimated the power lab rats would acquire Apr 19 23:16:10 lulz Apr 19 23:16:11 beelzabub1: just be careful of the pre500 terminator, I hear they're a killer Apr 19 23:16:14 1 genetic mutation and bam - super-intelligent rats that don't have heart disease nor cancer Apr 19 23:16:24 Gotta say, Ares looks nice, but I still can't use it worth crap Apr 19 23:17:28 I've got it down to (in my guesstimation) 0.05-0.5 seconds Apr 19 23:18:11 actually, turns out in the future there are no more phones Apr 19 23:18:17 so far with judicious application of cond_resched it appears to squash/cover the hang bug quite nicely Apr 19 23:18:24 in the future, the phones are you? Apr 19 23:18:40 apple has managed to pass a law where it is now mandatory to have their chips implanted in your brain Apr 19 23:18:56 there's a fringe group - claims it also alters your mind so that you think apple can do no wrong Apr 19 23:19:03 har Apr 19 23:19:09 but the other side that that's been true since before the implants Apr 19 23:19:27 have you seen the stroppy blog post from someone who was banned from purchasing ipads ever again? Apr 19 23:19:32 nope Apr 19 23:19:47 how do you ban someone from buying a product Apr 19 23:19:47 let me see if I can find it again... Apr 19 23:19:57 http://www.protocolsnow.com/2010/04/17/how-i-went-from-apple-store-newbie-to-lifetime-ban-in-one-week/ Apr 19 23:20:07 Kyusaku: ^^ like that Apr 19 23:20:38 brb, the entertainments committee is required again Apr 19 23:20:39 you can deny service to whoever you wanr Apr 19 23:20:43 s/wanr/want/ Apr 19 23:20:45 zsoc meant: you can deny service to whoever you want Apr 19 23:20:58 ubuntu is yucky Apr 19 23:21:46 i like the lifetime limit Apr 19 23:21:48 awesome Apr 19 23:22:02 nt4cats: wha? Apr 19 23:22:05 it's not :( Apr 19 23:22:10 you're yucky Apr 19 23:22:16 zsoc: you're yucky' Apr 19 23:22:21 * oilsworkn agrees Apr 19 23:22:22 nt4cats: no you are Apr 19 23:22:47 nt4cats: what issue are you having with ub9.10 server? Apr 19 23:22:52 it's so stable Apr 19 23:23:16 zsoc: it isn't an issue, I just am very comfortable with Fedora/RHEL/CentOS Apr 19 23:23:26 lol it's a "lifetime" limit? Really? Apr 19 23:23:33 zsoc: ubuntu doesn't even have the damn common courtesy to have decent runlevels. Apr 19 23:23:44 * oilsworkn greated new palm profile for dev pre, wonders how hes geting EV in the corner... Apr 19 23:23:50 nt4cats: oh. uh. yeah i agree with that. Apr 19 23:23:52 So like if I buy iPads as gifts I can only buy 2 of them for the rest of my life Apr 19 23:23:53 s/greated/created/ Apr 19 23:24:37 ... but so far I think getting the WIDK setup is pretty straightforward. Apr 19 23:24:44 (not done yet) Apr 19 23:25:17 I wish I had EV in my house Apr 19 23:25:18 :( Apr 19 23:25:38 nt4cats: the last make stage will likely break somewhere, that's ok as long as the doctor gets staged Apr 19 23:25:45 * oilsworkn doesn't understand Apr 19 23:26:30 oilsworkn: can you make a phone call? lol Apr 19 23:26:38 idk Apr 19 23:26:42 in device info it shows no number Apr 19 23:26:49 oilsworkn: you shouldn't be able to transfer data over ev Apr 19 23:26:50 and some of the other info is missing (vs my pre) Apr 19 23:26:57 i certainly didn't setup wifi Apr 19 23:26:58 it just connects to EV to try to register you OTA Apr 19 23:27:00 and loaded a webpage Apr 19 23:27:06 oh Apr 19 23:27:07 wat Apr 19 23:27:08 and the ev icon was all that was there Apr 19 23:27:21 that's.. not cool Apr 19 23:27:34 if it makes you feel better, its got a scuff on the screen Apr 19 23:27:58 Either my bed is shaking (Broke my computer chair) or that was an earthquake Apr 19 23:28:24 if the trailers a rockin'... Apr 19 23:28:28 it must be an earthquake Apr 19 23:29:39 zsoc: dude did say in the posting that he never had a voice plan, only a data plan Apr 19 23:29:43 think ir was Apr 19 23:29:59 I have a webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar on my disk that I think is 1.3.5 ... anyone know how to tell? Apr 19 23:30:03 pool is making huge waves Apr 19 23:30:41 nt4cats: md5sum vs whats posted on wiki? Apr 19 23:30:56 I just thought of that 0.172 seconds before you posted that Apr 19 23:31:03 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Apr 19 23:31:07 before? Apr 19 23:31:08 WTF Apr 19 23:31:23 oilsworkn: thanks (I would have had to go to the Google to find the URL) Apr 19 23:31:35 probably because i started typing out "extract it, then the webos.tar then the rootfs tar file, then look at the appinfo for the phone app" Apr 19 23:31:43 nt4cats: gimme the md5sum Apr 19 23:31:43 then decided the md5sub was easier :) Apr 19 23:31:44 i DID google it xD Apr 19 23:31:58 oh Apr 19 23:32:03 i'm very late to the party it seems Apr 19 23:32:10 i didn't realize the wiki had sums Apr 19 23:33:54 anyone for a kernel test? Apr 19 23:33:59 I figured it out on the wiki Apr 19 23:34:04 I think I might have the hang from suspend nailed Apr 19 23:34:06 *maybe* Apr 19 23:34:11 sbromwich: using the bootie method? Apr 19 23:34:11 [ddenardo@cylon tmp]$ md5sum webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Apr 19 23:34:12 14e3c4168030498b42370115b33ee278 webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Apr 19 23:34:17 preoccupied: yup Apr 19 23:34:20 www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage.141-6.12.rebelscum Apr 19 23:34:24 I tried md4sum, that didn't work as well Apr 19 23:34:31 haha...sorry, don't have enough time to set it up Apr 19 23:34:35 * oilsworkn <3's sbromwich's kernel names Apr 19 23:34:45 nt4cats: it takes me 7 minutes to download a doctor. you've spent longer trying to figure out which one you already have Apr 19 23:34:47 nt4cats: see extract method :) Apr 19 23:34:53 oilsworkn: makes more sense when you see the dmesg Apr 19 23:35:32 * oilsworkn is going to put caj2008's kernel on his dev pre :) Apr 19 23:35:55 does it have a working cpu temperature sensors, oilsworkn? Apr 19 23:36:01 lol, idk Apr 19 23:36:05 tsk Apr 19 23:36:06 it was a joke Apr 19 23:36:17 def webos-internals kernel with temp sensor Apr 19 23:36:19 I've never seen a more wretched hive of scum and villainy... Apr 19 23:36:20 to develope govnah Apr 19 23:36:34 wtf, extra e, get out of there Apr 19 23:36:46 well if this fixes it I'm going to do up a patch and hopefully it'll go in uber Apr 19 23:36:47 hmm, WIDK wiki says I need 1.3.5 or 1.4.0 doctor, I only have 1.3.5.1. Apr 19 23:36:52 silly underscore, you don't belong there.. you're an underscore! Apr 19 23:37:00 nt4cats: i don't see why that wouldn't work Apr 19 23:37:12 zsoc: I'll give it a try, I guess Apr 19 23:37:12 nt4cats: the wiki should read "You need 1.3.5 or newer" Apr 19 23:37:25 nt4cats: but the last make stage command /downloads/ 1.4.1.1 doctors and sdks Apr 19 23:37:30 and you need those anyway, so just let it do the magic Apr 19 23:37:44 from the warning on the Wiki "At some point the system will be updated to use the current 1.4.1.1 doctor and then this massage will be removed." Apr 19 23:37:58 nt4cats: yeah, i did that last week Apr 19 23:38:01 didn't remove the message Apr 19 23:38:16 went for reiki instead? Apr 19 23:38:19 oilsworkn: u dont get a replacement dev pre when u burn it up Apr 19 23:38:21 basically, i fixed the thing where you have to manually download the doctor (the hard part), but am too lazy to fix the wiki (the easy part) Apr 19 23:38:25 in other words, i'm american Apr 19 23:38:35 Good man! Apr 19 23:38:50 zsoc: unbreak the doctor so i can use it Apr 19 23:38:53 PuffTheMagic: WHAT? Apr 19 23:39:00 oilsworkn: [19:35:31] -*- oilsworkn is going to put caj2008's kernel on his dev pre :) Apr 19 23:39:08 oh, that was joke Apr 19 23:39:12 gonna run at 900mhz? Apr 19 23:39:17 psh Apr 19 23:39:18 1ghz Apr 19 23:39:35 i just think its funny its got evdo service Apr 19 23:39:39 PuffTheMagic: i have no authority to break or unbreak anything on Palm's servers. Apr 19 23:39:50 * oilsworkn goes home Apr 19 23:39:52 i bet sbromwich has just back cover with a p4 heatsink sticking though Apr 19 23:40:03 s/just/a custom/ Apr 19 23:40:04 PuffTheMagic meant: i bet sbromwich has a custom back cover with a p4 heatsink sticking though Apr 19 23:40:27 zsoc: I put it in cross-compile/doctors/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint_1.3.5.1.jar, firing off 'make toolchain' Apr 19 23:40:41 PuffTheMagic: just an icepack wrapped in a towel Apr 19 23:40:53 sadly the portability factor is low, somewhere on the order of an ipad Apr 19 23:41:21 nt4cats: it will probably ignore it and download new ones anyway Apr 19 23:41:41 nt4cats: i said i fixed it, i didn't say i fixed it /right/ Apr 19 23:41:46 :) Apr 19 23:42:28 I think I'm going to start ditching most of my php/ruby stuff for html5 Apr 19 23:42:58 sbromwich: when are u going to try compcache? Apr 19 23:43:25 PuffTheMagic: once I have the system stable I'm going to build on it from there Apr 19 23:43:33 I'm still chasing this hang from suspend Apr 19 23:43:47 then I want to get -rt done Apr 19 23:43:53 sbromwich: well if zsoc fixes the broken meta-doctor i could start playing witht he kernel again Apr 19 23:43:58 then I'll look into compact and/or bfs Apr 19 23:44:00 sbromwich: -rt is not happening Apr 19 23:44:04 bfs we can do Apr 19 23:44:11 why is -rt not happening? Apr 19 23:44:36 PuffTheMagic: i don't understand what you're suggesting. i do not maintain the meta doctor Apr 19 23:44:53 sbromwich: am 99% confident that porting -rt to this kernel is beyond the capabilies of everyone in here with C and kernel knowledge combined time 10 Apr 19 23:45:13 yup Apr 19 23:45:21 however the suse guys are looking into it Apr 19 23:46:18 so essentially all I have to do is integrate as much as possible and when I get to the bits that crash and burn horribly I can just turn it over to them Apr 19 23:46:50 sbromwich: u do realize that you will be touching nearly every aspect of the kernel Apr 19 23:47:01 sbromwich: do u know how many bugs u are gonna have Apr 19 23:47:08 and how hard it willbe to debug Apr 19 23:47:14 i have done this venture with a few people before Apr 19 23:47:19 forwarding porting mostly Apr 19 23:47:29 PuffTheMagic: you do realise I've already had one go around with -rt and found a killer bug in suspend? Apr 19 23:47:42 and that's the reason I'm concentrating on getting this going first? Apr 19 23:47:56 what do u mean, u have had a go around with -rt Apr 19 23:48:22 applied it and integrated it into the kernel Apr 19 23:48:55 is this patch public Apr 19 23:49:07 * nt4cats has to go put the kid in the bath, be back in a bit Apr 19 23:49:13 uhhhh... yes? Apr 19 23:49:35 http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/ Apr 19 23:49:45 thats not what i mean Apr 19 23:49:47 I found it easiest to apply the patches one by one and hand massage Apr 19 23:49:49 i know that patch didnt apply clean Apr 19 23:50:27 PuffTheMagic: I think we are talking at cross purposes; there are issues other than -rt per se that instrinsically cause issues Apr 19 23:51:11 step one was to get preempt working, next step is to get the USB issue fixed with suspend, and then I think once that is done -rt can be integrated Apr 19 23:51:15 so u applied all the rt paches and fixed all the failed hunks Apr 19 23:51:21 did u create a diff of that work? Apr 19 23:51:23 that is what i want Apr 19 23:52:03 no, because I could see there were so many changes needed for it to boot that the work I did would need sufficient changing that there was no point keeping it Apr 19 23:52:07 and i still dont get what -rt solves or what there is to be gained by using it on this pjhone Apr 19 23:52:27 then I suggest you let me alone to work on it to see what I come up with, perhaps? Apr 19 23:52:54 Separate Apr 20 00:00:37 re Apr 20 00:02:07 any one see the leaked stolen/lost/found next gen iphone report? Apr 20 00:04:21 si senor zsoc. I saw that Apr 20 00:10:37 zsoc: where? Apr 20 00:23:20 sbromwich: how's the temp sensor working for you? Apr 20 00:24:12 i am super interested in a cpu temp kernel that can be tied to a patch in the device menu Apr 20 00:25:26 rwhitby: took a bit of fiddling to get it in but it seems to be giving accurate values Apr 20 00:25:48 what's a typical temp you're getting? like just sitting idle? Apr 20 00:25:58 25, I think, last time I checked Apr 20 00:26:10 it's just booting at the moment, I'll see once it's up Apr 20 00:26:12 huh, not bad Apr 20 00:26:50 zsoc: jason is going to add support for temp to his systools service Apr 20 00:26:59 anyone know off the top of their head where the top menu HTML is? Apr 20 00:27:03 like, the file? Apr 20 00:27:05 zsoc: setting up the widk seems rediculously easy (that's a compliment, by the way, not bragging) Apr 20 00:27:13 hang on, I'll go get the icepack out of the freezer and test Apr 20 00:27:19 nt4cats|afk: yeah, zsoc did an awesome job on that Apr 20 00:27:25 nt4cats|afk: you're too smart of a person to misspell ridiculously Apr 20 00:27:36 too lazy to fix it, though Apr 20 00:27:59 rwhitby: if by 'awesome job' you mean 'fix things that were already working, but broken because of a few syntax issues here and there', then yes, i did an awesome job Apr 20 00:28:21 hah Apr 20 00:28:30 * rwhitby creates "WIDK Wrangler" title for zsoc Apr 20 00:28:32 nt4cats: our biggest problem was, people would be like "i can't get it to build" and i'd be like "uh.. no, you already built it.. just the package you are trying to build is broken" Apr 20 00:28:36 and they would be like... wha? Apr 20 00:29:04 nt4cats: as a suggestion, you could test the workingness of your build by navigating to packages/common/bison and 'make staging' Apr 20 00:29:08 er, 'make stage'ing Apr 20 00:29:28 I'm in the 'make stage' phase right now, but I'll do that in a minute, sure. Apr 20 00:29:28 it's a mediumly complex package that tests most necessary parts of the toolchain Apr 20 00:29:49 nt4cats: at the end of that phase, it's possible it will just go off and try to start building random crap. i'm not sure if i fixed that Apr 20 00:31:36 it seems to have finished happily after downloading the palm sdk Apr 20 00:32:06 nt4cats: ah ok, i guess i forgot the part where i fixed that lol Apr 20 00:32:47 zsoc: 'make staging' in p/c/bison said 'no such rule staging'. Without looking at the makefile I tried (for fun) 'make stage'. That pooped. I'll see what's going on ... Apr 20 00:34:02 rwhitby: I'm thinking that services must go down in popularity with more use of the full PDK plugin capabolities. after all, running a daemon all the time that's only used occasionally by one or two apps seems wasteful Apr 20 00:34:33 destinal-wirc: i agree to a small extent Apr 20 00:34:39 nt4cats: 'make stage' is the proper command yes Apr 20 00:34:44 nt4cats: explain the poop please Apr 20 00:34:53 poop is here: http://webos.pastebin.com/J8vEw6pq Apr 20 00:35:22 I thought I'd man and google may way into finding/fixing the issue instead of whining to uncle zsoc to fix it for me ... Apr 20 00:35:27 I'd imagine the top bar (clock and device menu stuff) is in usr/palm, no? can't seem to find it Apr 20 00:35:38 nt4cats: that seems like a permission problem Apr 20 00:35:56 nt4cats: sudo chown /preware recursively to your user Apr 20 00:37:29 is preware alpha plugin style or c service? Apr 20 00:38:09 destinal-wirc: for services that don't need root, I agree. Apr 20 00:38:23 destinal-wirc: ipkgservice can never be done with PDK access Apr 20 00:38:32 destinal-wirc: plugin api's arent final spec yet / dont work Apr 20 00:39:35 destinal-wirc: none of the services that I maintain are within the bounds of the PDK security model, so would break if I converted them. Apr 20 00:40:04 zsoc: I will follow your instructions, but I just confirmed that I already own everything Apr 20 00:40:51 hmmm Apr 20 00:41:01 nt4cats: confirm cross-compile/staging exists plz Apr 20 00:41:18 rwhitby: any evidence yet that pdk will be jailed or just someday? Apr 20 00:41:36 nope, no c-c/staging Apr 20 00:42:10 nt4cats: that.. uh.. should happen at some point. during make tool chain.. or make stage, one of them Apr 20 00:42:18 the one that rips the doctor open and stages things :p Apr 20 00:42:28 nt4cats: you init'ed sb2 i suppose? Apr 20 00:42:44 yes Apr 20 00:42:57 I saw it download the doctor and sdk, didn't notice it ripping anything open Apr 20 00:43:08 didn't notice any errors (and I did look) Apr 20 00:43:23 I'll do that again (or start over) Apr 20 00:43:38 nt4cats: no reason to start over Apr 20 00:43:59 nt4cats: the make commands should continue on... from top level cross-compile , make toolchain and make stage should handle things Apr 20 00:44:05 * rwhitby bbl Apr 20 00:44:20 nt4cats: also, check doctors/ and see if there are 3 files or 4 Apr 20 00:45:06 zsoc: my history http://webos.pastebin.com/N44a1ahQ\ Apr 20 00:45:18 (extra '\' at the end was accidental) Apr 20 00:45:45 4, but I put the 1.3.5.1 jar in there Apr 20 00:46:21 right, so it ignored it lol Apr 20 00:46:30 palm sdk 1.3.5, doctor200eww, doctor100eww Apr 20 00:46:43 if you make toolchain and/or make stage again from top level, does it say everything is already done? Apr 20 00:47:26 toolchain says nothing to be done Apr 20 00:48:08 stage says nothing to be done Apr 20 00:48:27 let me test it here Apr 20 00:48:51 zsoc: any reason we're not doing something PDK based instead so far? like modifying the mac PDK to work in linux while awaiting linux PDK Apr 20 00:49:28 destinal-wirc: because the PDK is garbage Apr 20 00:49:50 zsoc: how so? Apr 20 00:49:54 rwhitby: I could have sworn cpu temperature sensing was working for me, but no, I just checked and -40, did a make mrproper and recompiled and booted and checked that and -40 Apr 20 00:50:15 destinal-wirc: the widk is more mature, and it's not very mature. Apr 20 00:51:27 destinal-wirc: when the PDK actually /functions/, i will consider moving some service building to plugin building Apr 20 00:51:29 it's not even done yet Apr 20 00:53:13 zsoc: well, PDK can be used for services too, rigt, even if not officially supported Apr 20 00:53:16 * rwhitby has not really looked at the PDK, so can't comment, cause it doesn't allow me to do the things I need to do Apr 20 00:53:32 I expect wIRCd could be done as PDK Apr 20 00:53:34 destinal-wirc: not really Apr 20 00:53:35 hey can i ask your guys' technical opinion on something? Apr 20 00:53:36 and even if it could, eh Apr 20 00:53:44 phil_bw: always Apr 20 00:54:00 ok, in this logo: http://www.boraware.com/misc/logo2.png Does the fern look too much like a pot leaf? Apr 20 00:54:35 I'm working on this logo for some friends (I'm not a graphics designer) and building it to their specs, though I think I have a questionable fern Apr 20 00:55:24 phil_bw: both technical and webos related. nice Apr 20 00:55:42 is looking like pot leaves a bad thing? Apr 20 00:55:48 tomorrow IS 420 afterall Apr 20 00:55:58 well that depends on who's hiring them... Apr 20 00:56:05 lol Apr 20 00:56:16 and we are in Portland after all... so maybe it's a good thing Apr 20 01:14:58 hey ooeee Apr 20 01:15:02 whats up! Apr 20 01:20:26 meta doctor help please? Apr 20 01:20:41 ~asktoask Apr 20 01:20:42 This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. Apr 20 01:21:39 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Step_1:_Setting_up_Meta-Doctor Apr 20 01:21:50 i am following this tutorial on step 9 Apr 20 01:21:58 wget (link) Apr 20 01:22:06 and im using virtual box ubuntu Apr 20 01:22:25 i get the message, your device is full Apr 20 01:22:29 cannot save. Apr 20 01:22:49 i imagine your device is full Apr 20 01:23:13 fill 'er up Apr 20 01:23:17 i chose dynamically expand storage Apr 20 01:23:23 16gb Apr 20 01:23:25 kai____: right, but it still caps off somewhere Apr 20 01:23:25 oh Apr 20 01:23:26 hmm Apr 20 01:23:42 df / ? Apr 20 01:23:49 what does that mean Apr 20 01:23:52 df / ? Apr 20 01:24:01 i have no idea, sometimes i just type things Apr 20 01:24:12 OR it'll show you how much space you have free Apr 20 01:24:24 how can it be ful Apr 20 01:24:27 full? Apr 20 01:24:30 also i get a window Apr 20 01:24:38 saying warning you have 11 mb space left Apr 20 01:24:44 examine or ignore. Apr 20 01:25:01 all i did was install ubuntu and followed the steps in the tutorial Apr 20 01:25:19 ... then your /host/ hard drive is full Apr 20 01:25:20 so it can't expands Apr 20 01:26:18 phil_bw: fern leaves usually droop over like a parabola Apr 20 01:26:34 rwhitby, thanks Apr 20 01:26:53 my hard drive has 40gb left Apr 20 01:26:57 after many opinions I've come to this conclusion: the fern sucks Apr 20 01:27:01 should i reinstall ubuntu in virtual box Apr 20 01:27:07 and chose the fixed storage option? Apr 20 01:27:11 choose* Apr 20 01:28:18 I imagine you told it to make a maximum 16GB drive Apr 20 01:28:23 and its used 16GB already, kai____ Apr 20 01:28:29 thus, its out of disk space Apr 20 01:28:41 it only dynamically resizes up to that amount Apr 20 01:28:54 how much should i set it to? Apr 20 01:29:00 uhm, more than 16GB? Apr 20 01:29:05 however much you think you need Apr 20 01:29:21 how much does meta doctor require? Apr 20 01:29:31 im only using ubuntu virtual box for metadoctor.. Apr 20 01:30:28 I don't know? Apr 20 01:30:34 does it matter? just make it more than large enough Apr 20 01:30:51 meta doctor is small Apr 20 01:31:05 you are clearly out of hard drive space somewhere or you would not be getting warnings about 11mb left Apr 20 01:31:55 ok thanks Apr 20 01:31:59 yeah, but his ubuntu install might be taking up all 16GB zsoc :p Apr 20 01:32:10 VincentLaw: ubuntu server? it's like.. a gig maybe Apr 20 01:32:23 *shrug* Apr 20 01:32:26 only thing that made sense Apr 20 01:32:35 Here is a fresh Ubuntu server install with the WIDK: Apr 20 01:32:38 ddenardo@tigh:/srv/preware/cross-compile$ df -mlh Apr 20 01:32:38 Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on Apr 20 01:32:38 /dev/mapper/tigh-root Apr 20 01:32:38 19G 3.6G 15G 20% / Apr 20 01:32:44 3.6G used Apr 20 01:32:55 any particular reason you're going with ubuntu? Apr 20 01:33:15 phil_bw: people are more likely to already have it Apr 20 01:33:39 and we use it on the autobuilder Apr 20 01:33:42 woo almost have my compact battery life+percentage indicator done Apr 20 01:34:06 rwhitby, true but if he's looking to save on space he could probably get by with a simple lenny install install of the bloat of ubuntu Apr 20 01:34:23 phil_bw: ubuntu *server* install Apr 20 01:34:52 rwhitby, well that makese a difference then :P I'll go back to cooking my dinner Apr 20 01:35:28 attempting to stack the battery icon on top of the percentage text, what a pain Apr 20 01:36:45 VincentLaw, are you turning the battery icon sideways? Apr 20 01:36:56 phil_bw: indeed I am Apr 20 01:37:11 VincentLaw, if you can make that work I would definitely use such a patch Apr 20 01:37:21 oh it's already working :p Apr 20 01:37:30 I'm just fixing alignment issues right now Apr 20 01:37:49 and seeing if I can make the icon look a little less blurry. I think webkit's transform rotate method is blurring it Apr 20 01:37:50 I'm currently using the icon next to number Apr 20 01:38:03 ah Apr 20 01:38:08 yeah I'm currently using the colored percentage next to icon Apr 20 01:38:25 never thought of putting the battery on top Apr 20 01:38:34 its not that the icon is unreadably blurry, it just doesn't look as good Apr 20 01:38:57 sucks Apr 20 01:39:05 and yea, I've been wanting to do it for a while, just never felt like trying lol Apr 20 01:39:09 :effort: Apr 20 01:39:20 I hear that Apr 20 01:44:57 oh hey that looks better. wonder what's going on... it's acting strange when I give it a width/height, as if its scaling the image, despite it being the exact dimensions Apr 20 01:45:19 and I sort of need the width/height to easily align this Apr 20 01:46:24 lemme know if you want me to beta test it for ya Apr 20 01:46:37 sure :p Apr 20 01:48:54 probably going to finish it up tomorrow, it's starting to annoy me now Apr 20 01:49:10 sounds good Apr 20 01:50:51 ~~~~ Apr 20 01:50:51 ARGH!!! STOP IT destinal-wirc!!! Apr 20 02:15:55 hello Apr 20 02:16:11 in need of some assistance...anyone here? Apr 20 02:16:35 never Apr 20 02:17:12 heh! Would you be able to answer some questions for me regarding GIT access? Apr 20 02:17:33 DrewPre: generally we don't answer questions. we do silly things, and make ambiguous posts on P|C Apr 20 02:17:40 but maybe this once we'll make an exception Apr 20 02:19:32 well, i've discussed placing php-fcgi in the webos-internals.org optware feed. I have git gui installed and have cloned the repo and created the Makefile for php-cgi, but can't push Apr 20 02:20:21 I suspect I need an account on webos-internals.org and haev to place my public ssh key there...but don't know how to get that done Apr 20 02:20:34 DrewPre: all of that is accurate. Apr 20 02:20:43 DrewPre: you ask rwhitby for access, and email him your public key. Apr 20 02:20:54 php-fcgi ? Apr 20 02:21:49 Okay, ... well.... I kinda thought I would have to do that but I don't want to be a help vampire. Plus, I get the impression I am becoming a pain in his arse....so before emailing him, I thought I would explore all other options toware helping myself. Apr 20 02:21:58 DrewPre: you mean people really want to make their pre's into web servers? I guess there are some odd use cases that make sense Apr 20 02:22:59 well, not a web-server per se.... just a google map..... a single page displaying your location on a google map. Apr 20 02:23:03 DrewPre: well, you don't seem a pain to me Apr 20 02:23:44 Well thank you and thanks for confirming I am at least on the right track. Apr 20 02:24:48 DrewPre: you should hang around more often Apr 20 02:25:28 I will definitely try to.... I have recommitted to developing again. Life has a way of interrupting my intentions tho Apr 20 02:25:53 yes, that's common around here Apr 20 02:59:03 nite all **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 20 03:00:03 2010