**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 21 02:59:56 2010 Apr 21 03:12:25 there is a patch for what RICK was asking for in 1.3.5 Apr 21 03:12:31 not sure if it made it to 1.4.1.1 Apr 21 03:12:33 :) Apr 21 03:27:23 I had some problems that ended up requiring me to doctor my Pre. Using Save/Restore to save Preware packages hit a snag... anyway, I'm now one by one going through and reinstalling all my patches, but I'm having issues. It seems that every once in a while, the known luna rescan problem (when I hit "later" because I want to keep installing more patches), will screw things up in the middle of a patch install. When this happen Apr 21 03:28:10 Hi all, does anyone if the meta-doctor has been updated to use the webosdoctor 1.4.1.1 from sprint? Apr 21 03:28:15 doctor and copy them back over to restore. After doing this several times. I decided to go into Preware and turn off the rescans on package installs. Besides not showing newly installed apps (obviously), how bad an idea is this? Apr 21 03:31:26 The plus side is, its much faster reinstalling all my patches, because I don't have to wait forever for the rescan to finish between patch installs. Also, doesn't seem to have crashed during patch installs yet. Apr 21 03:39:48 cause I only removed the # from the first option Bypass First Use App and ran make all-sprint, after it compiled i install it on my pre, and after it booted nothing got the sign in into profile screen Apr 21 03:49:01 sorry i meant the first option Bypass Activation and it did nothing after i installed it on the pre Apr 21 04:09:28 sbromwich: ping? Apr 21 04:38:33 hey jhojho Apr 21 04:39:08 jhojho: uber-kernel is now in the webo-internals testing feed Apr 21 04:42:22 cool Apr 21 04:42:28 will check it out. Apr 21 04:42:42 change the configs via a upstart script? Apr 21 04:43:16 I was trying to see if sbromwich was around to ask him about reno vs cubic. Apr 21 04:44:22 if anything westwood+ could be better from what I can tell Apr 21 04:47:42 rwhitby: is the uber-kernel pkg a complete replacement for the caj2008 shell script ? that is, install the pkg and be done with it? Apr 21 04:48:01 jhojho: no, the uber kernel defaults to stock settings Apr 21 04:48:42 it requires control entities to modify that behaviour. govnah is an app and service that is being worked on for tha. Apr 21 04:48:43 t Apr 21 04:49:38 jhojho: install the kernel, then set the parameters in /sys as you please through whichever means you please Apr 21 04:50:22 cool. thats the right way to go. Apr 21 04:53:59 jhojho: and the temp sensor is working Apr 21 04:55:18 cool Apr 21 04:56:10 now I wonder if jaycanuk can update his temp in device menu patch to read the actual temp Apr 21 04:57:37 rwhitby: btw is there a way to disable preware from trying to pull the palm catalog by default? i'm trying to run preware on a pixi and it keeps hanging on palm-catalog Apr 21 05:02:55 menu>manage feeds Apr 21 05:08:04 hmm. now i can disable the feeds whereas I could not before... Apr 21 05:13:44 jhojho: jason is going to add support for reading the true temp to the systoolsmgr service and the device menu patch, yes. Apr 21 05:14:10 wth? Apr 21 05:14:32 I get french categories under "available applications" in preware Apr 21 05:15:21 yep, for apps that are not available in the US Apr 21 05:15:38 and therefore do not have an english category Apr 21 05:15:44 I thought it was being filtered somehow by language in prefs Apr 21 05:15:53 but I guess there isnt such a thing. Apr 21 05:15:57 nvm Apr 21 05:16:06 that's a roadmap feature Apr 21 05:17:03 rwhitby: ill start with the temp monitoring Apr 21 05:17:50 zsoc_wirc: hey, just tested precorder, works beautifully Apr 21 05:17:57 zsoc_wirc: great work! Apr 21 05:18:09 finally got around to installing preware again... Apr 21 05:18:12 oil: at the moment you'll get a single string entry in an array called stdOut, but in the future we'll pare that down to a value:num json entry Apr 21 05:18:53 oil: so maybe encapsulate that in a function, and then when we improve the service we can just remove the function call :) Apr 21 05:19:35 rwhitby: Just got my first luna restart with the uber kernel Apr 21 05:20:36 preoccupied: I think you're confusing uber kernel (which has nothing related to luna restarts) with the deathstar kernel (which does) Apr 21 05:21:08 I personally am waiting for the Hoth kernel before updating.... :p Apr 21 05:21:20 rwhitby: no, i'm just saying that the uber kernel hasn't fixed the 1.4.1 luna reset issues Apr 21 05:22:07 but i guess as you've said, it's just stock 1.4.1 with unixpsycho's OPP and the temp built in Apr 21 05:23:13 what caused the luna crashes? Apr 21 05:23:20 who knows =) Apr 21 05:23:25 sol maybe? Apr 21 05:23:32 I'm still getting random missed calls Apr 21 05:23:33 lol, it's just the usual crash. I wasn't running anything special Apr 21 05:23:52 apparently im getting missed calls as well Apr 21 05:23:58 preware alpha was open, but it wasn't running anything Apr 21 05:24:03 which is strange, since i normally dont get any calls... Apr 21 05:24:25 i've only had that happen to me once Apr 21 05:24:27 it could have happened more often...but i've only noticed it once Apr 21 05:24:52 the missed calls is a known problem Apr 21 05:25:43 I wish mobilehotspot was for sprint... Apr 21 05:26:12 yeah...i donno, i just use usb tethering Apr 21 05:26:16 it's easier on the batt life Apr 21 05:26:35 although this thing overheats with tethering Apr 21 05:26:37 thats to much effort for me to set up Apr 21 05:26:54 there's really isn't any effort Apr 21 05:27:06 you install freether & freetherD Apr 21 05:27:11 I wonder if exchange support works in the emulator Apr 21 05:27:12 enable ip forwarding Apr 21 05:27:26 you underestimate the level of my lazyness Apr 21 05:27:50 lol...you could do it in 5 minutes Apr 21 05:27:56 MHS sucks up a lot of power. I've seen it go negative charge even when on the charger Apr 21 05:28:18 well, tethering in general sucks lots of battery power Apr 21 05:28:38 i was tethering earlier today & my CPU temp was 41, while battery was 49 Apr 21 05:28:45 sadness... duke3d froze Apr 21 05:28:47 only reason i want it is so i can pair up my sprint pre to one laptop and a verizon pre to another for the drive up to set up two laptops Apr 21 05:28:51 which i thought was weird btw Apr 21 05:28:53 whoa Apr 21 05:28:57 that's strange Apr 21 05:28:58 MHS works well for me when playing h.a.w.x between two Pre's (one GSM, one CDMA) Apr 21 05:29:11 setting up exchange works on the emulator and not the pixi Apr 21 05:29:13 wth? Apr 21 05:29:33 pixi emu or pixi pixi? Apr 21 05:29:46 pre emu, pixi pixi Apr 21 05:29:54 hit the pre emu by mistake Apr 21 05:30:01 but should not make a difference Apr 21 05:30:06 oh, in that case no-one cares about the pixi Apr 21 05:30:08 :p Apr 21 05:30:13 I have no idea Apr 21 05:30:25 yeah but my other half does. Apr 21 05:30:45 bbl Apr 21 05:31:08 my phone cannot find freetether Apr 21 05:32:56 ... Apr 21 06:26:09 zsoc, vba... nice Apr 21 08:15:51 http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/12565107897 Apr 21 12:22:53 jhojho: I compiled in all the TCP schedulers so people could experiment to see what was best, reno was just the kernel default... Well volunteered for experimenting! ;-) Apr 21 13:42:02 Morning, all. ProfJonathan, aka PalmPreLawyer, here. Apr 21 13:45:14 hmm Apr 21 13:45:35 i removed the webos kernel should it reboot by itself? or i have to reboot? Apr 21 13:45:43 i did orange+kernel-tap Apr 21 13:47:42 hrm Apr 21 13:48:03 and then i tapped delete but nothing happened Apr 21 13:48:05 hmm Apr 21 13:48:20 it just removed the icon from launcher :D Apr 21 13:49:01 is that a good thing ? Apr 21 13:49:37 it should give some kind of confirmation that the kernel was removed and original pre kernel was restored... then reboot Apr 21 13:49:41 imho Apr 21 13:49:57 ProfJonathan: I'm sorry. wat? Apr 21 13:50:26 en0x: I don't think your o is ever h Apr 21 13:50:56 zsoc_wirc: oh oh what? Apr 21 13:51:44 en0x: lol just teasing you Apr 21 13:52:44 zsoc_wirc: heh go fix it Apr 21 13:53:00 I don't play with kernels Apr 21 13:53:07 complain about my recorder Apr 21 13:53:32 i cant find any use for ur precorder Apr 21 13:53:35 i don't record ppl Apr 21 13:54:32 zsoc_wirc: go to cvs and get me smokes Apr 21 13:54:47 1.4 is out Apr 21 13:54:55 wow Apr 21 13:55:00 i have 1.4.1.1 :P Apr 21 13:55:08 don't lie Apr 21 13:55:24 :( Apr 21 13:55:27 why not? Apr 21 13:55:27 :> Apr 21 13:59:31 * en0x is going to cvs Apr 21 13:59:32 brb Apr 21 14:09:51 hmm Apr 21 14:12:28 hmmm boooring wednesday Apr 21 14:12:28 ;] Apr 21 14:13:07 go work Apr 21 14:13:20 nt4cats: hey joe Apr 21 14:13:45 zsoc_wirc: yes? (not sure who Joe is) Apr 21 14:14:20 nt4cats: I call everyone joe. Apr 21 14:14:57 <--was lurking, sorry. Not a regular here, but on Twitter and PreCentral. Apr 21 14:15:11 ProfJonathan: uh.. ok.. Apr 21 14:15:17 welcome? Apr 21 14:18:22 zsoc_wirc: Is prcorder ablet to record telefon calls? As you worte it record the internal Stream? Apr 21 14:18:26 Hi, i installed WIDK according to that page: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK but after "make stage" cross-compile/staging/armv7/usr is empty. I need libpng12 how do i get it there? Apr 21 14:19:06 Heinervdm: stage it. navigate to packages/common/libpng12 Apr 21 14:19:13 and make stage Apr 21 14:19:18 zsoc_wirc: You are the Precorder (current iteration) author? Well done! Apr 21 14:19:37 zsoc_wirc: will it stage the depencies too? (zlib, ...) Apr 21 14:19:41 Heinervdm: I'm considering having the top level make stage build everything in common/, but it would take awhile Apr 21 14:19:57 Heinervdm: no you stage each one. zlib is also in common/zlib Apr 21 14:20:03 ProfJonathan: uh.. thanks? Apr 21 14:20:12 zsoc_wirc: ok, thx Apr 21 14:20:14 I was the last iteration author too lol Apr 21 14:20:24 zsoc is just too modest Apr 21 14:20:42 +zsoc_wirc: I've been tweeting about it (@PalmPreLawyer). I do think, though, you should change the name. Confuses potential users. I suggested Reqord. Apr 21 14:20:43 bpadalino: or I'm a nub Apr 21 14:20:57 he is a webos hacker extraordinaire Apr 21 14:20:58 zsoc_wirc: Is Precorder able to record telefon calls? As you wrute it can record the internal Stream? Apr 21 14:21:20 bpadalino|work: lol Apr 21 14:21:32 ProfJonathan: i suggested Betamax, but he didn't want to listen Apr 21 14:22:01 ProfJonathan: it's in the testing feed for a reason. the name will change before relase Apr 21 14:22:05 +zsoc_wirc: BTW, I also had the reset freezing problem people reported, but it may have been a conflict with the non-wOSI kernel/scaling app. Just deleted them, and resetting working ok. Apr 21 14:22:28 ProfJonathan: the restart issue if definitely kernel related. Apr 21 14:22:52 +zsoc_wirc: To be sure, and I absolutely get the testing aspect. I've got to review the recording I made Monday of my class. In playback on my Pre, there were occasional audio artifacts. Not sure how it plays on the PC. Will report back. Apr 21 14:23:37 ProfJonathan: there once was a time when preware testing feeds were for webos internals testers ;) Apr 21 14:23:45 zsoc_wirc: i'm at work :S Apr 21 14:23:56 ProfJonathan: my suggestion is turn down the stream to 8000 Apr 21 14:24:08 bpadalino|work: #webos-internals legal representatives have warned us to use proprietary terms and marks with the appropriate use and labeling. That should be "zsoc, a duly-recognized member of the webos-internals.org team, is a webOS Hacker Extraordinaire (TM)." Apr 21 14:24:09 that should fix most of the lost frames Apr 21 14:24:22 +zsoc_wirc: Well, I'm not a dev (yet, I suppose), but I've been a tester of such things for friends/colleagues for years. Apr 21 14:24:25 nt4cats: note taken! Apr 21 14:24:47 +zsoc_wirc: Will be teaching again today. Will turn down frames and test again. Still, I *love* the potential of the app. Apr 21 14:25:01 ProfJonathan: all I'm trying to point out is, if something's broken, it's because I didn't fix it yet ;) Apr 21 14:25:12 high potential, low current throughput .. get it? get it?? it's an EE joke :) Apr 21 14:25:36 <--*not* a Hacker Extraordinaire (TM), but a Scary Poweruser and Amateur Messer-Around (SPAM) (TM). Apr 21 14:26:00 ProfJonathan: the mic on the Pre maxes out at 3500 hz anyway, so 8000 should be fine Apr 21 14:26:05 +zsoc_wirc: Wasn't complaining, just reporting. Isn't that what testers are *supposed* to do? :) Apr 21 14:26:28 ProfJonathan: yes, I am just embaressed by unfinished work :) thank you Apr 21 14:26:51 from my limited tests, precorder seems to work perfectly Apr 21 14:26:53 very nice Apr 21 14:26:59 +zsoc_wirc: Hardly worthy of embarrassment. Remember, the U.S. Constitution was an unfinished work. Needed amendments almost instantlly. Apr 21 14:28:07 Ok, I've got mIRC, Twitter and a stream from #140conf running, and I'm not getting any work done. Funny, that. :) Apr 21 14:28:09 next 2 or 3 updates should be nifty Apr 21 14:28:21 whats planned for the next few updates? Apr 21 14:28:28 ProfJonathan: lol go figure :D Apr 21 14:28:34 preoccupied: magical sekrets Apr 21 14:28:44 +zsoc_wirc: My immediate thought was that, now you've gotten access to the mic, you should reach out to the Shazam folks for porting help. Apr 21 14:28:50 whats 140conf? Apr 21 14:29:12 en0x: 140: The Twitter Conference. http://www.ustream.tv/nyc140conf Apr 21 14:29:16 ProfJonathan: shazam folks can reach out to me ;) the app is open source anyway Apr 21 14:29:29 +zsoc_wirc: True enough. Apr 21 14:29:43 Of course, some of us may point them in your general direction. Apr 21 14:30:09 zsoc definitely needs more attention Apr 21 14:31:01 bpadalino: or less Apr 21 14:31:15 less is more Apr 21 14:31:17 bpadalino|work: keep that up and I'm going to tell them /you/ made it Apr 21 14:31:35 is shazam free anyways? Apr 21 14:31:51 i doubt they'll want to use zsoc's code.... Apr 21 14:31:52 preoccupied: free is a funny word. it's extremely preprietary Apr 21 14:31:59 they're not going to want to GPL it Apr 21 14:32:03 preoccupied: right. Apr 21 14:32:29 Yeah, that's the challenge of OSS. Converts (or infects) anything it touches. Good if you want that; bad if you didn't realize it. Apr 21 14:32:34 zsoc_wirc: haha, yeah. They'll wait for official palm access Apr 21 14:33:06 OK, going to try to be a bit more productive. Nice to meet you all. Remember, tomorrow is JayCanuck's birthday! Apr 21 14:34:05 zsoc, you forget that i don't exist in the world of webos hackery .. but you do :) Apr 21 14:34:55 OSS is not a virus Apr 21 14:35:13 besides, my 'work' is so vague and ambiguous, it would be easy to recreate Apr 21 14:35:34 zsoc, maybe you should /nick notzsoc so you can be incognito! Apr 21 14:36:45 Be well and happy, all. Apr 21 14:38:07 zsoc_wirc: I agree. WebOS Internals wouldn't be possible without OSS Apr 21 14:38:29 all the kernel hackery is possible because palm has to release mods to the kernel Apr 21 14:38:37 to the linux kernel Apr 21 14:38:53 so that we can recompile it and add stuff Apr 21 14:39:08 no shit sherlock ;] Apr 21 14:39:28 en0x: be nice Apr 21 14:39:42 en0x: lol, yes. Just responding to what ProfJonathon said Apr 21 14:40:09 ;] Apr 21 14:41:00 ka6sox: ping Apr 21 14:41:45 hmmm Apr 21 14:41:59 zsoc_wirc: would be hard to record phone conversation on pre? Apr 21 14:50:47 en0x: I made a comment about it. it's in the trac but I would need to interact with the radio directly Apr 21 14:51:42 oh... i thought that you can hijack /dev/dsp or something Apr 21 14:52:57 en0x: 1.) no, 2.) it involves invoking the bridge driver... somehow Apr 21 14:53:17 I'll look into it, but not before I implement a running timer/new graphics/bluetooth/vcva Apr 21 14:53:17 oh they did it in nasty way Apr 21 14:53:44 i wonder if they will annouce access to mic over the weekend :) Apr 21 14:57:37 en0x: even if they do, I have the ability to manipulate pipelines well beyond any api they release Apr 21 14:58:01 does anyone know of a program that i can zoom in on the videos i take with the pre? Apr 21 14:59:07 gcc found the header now, but next problem is: cross-compile/toolchain/arm-2007q3/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-ld: cannot find -lpng, any hint how to solve this? Apr 21 14:59:10 zsoc_wirc: i know Apr 21 14:59:39 Heinervdm: you need libpng :) Apr 21 14:59:46 it may also be in common/ not sure Apr 21 15:00:14 zsoc_wirc: i staged it, and it's in cross-compile/staging/armv7/usr/lib ;) Apr 21 15:00:36 Heinervdm: libpng.so ? Apr 21 15:01:04 libpng12.so libpng12.so.0 libpng12.so.0.42.0 libpng.so libpng.so.3 libpng.so.3.42.0 Apr 21 15:03:03 hey zsoc_wirc maybe u can point me in the right direction for this Apr 21 15:06:32 zsoc_wirc: the links are faulty Apr 21 15:06:55 libpng.so -> libpng.so.3.12.0, but it should be libpng.so -> libpng.so.3.42.0 Apr 21 15:11:19 Heinervdm: correct Apr 21 15:11:37 Heinervdm: I'll have to heck out png staging and see what messes that up Apr 21 15:11:41 mobgod: what's up? Apr 21 15:12:01 mobgod: oh. I'm not sure honestly Apr 21 15:13:53 hmmm Apr 21 15:14:09 there has to be a way right Apr 21 15:31:15 er Apr 21 15:31:34 question, would i be free to add games to the list of playable using 800mhz here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:VBA Apr 21 15:34:04 Destroyer661: I am not in any way authorized to (nor do I pretend to) speak for the webos-internals.org guys ... but I think if they wanted to restrict that sort of thing they'd simply disable people's access to do it. What I think I've seen is they require you to login to make edits, and it seems someone looks at edits to make sure they're appropriate -- but they seem to actively encourage people to improve the wiki. Apr 21 15:34:24 okay thanks :D Apr 21 15:34:52 was just testing the pokemon games, and Fire Red actually works well without sound enabled Apr 21 15:35:16 Destroyer661: but let me be clear that I do not have any sort of role with the webos-internals.org team. I hang out here quite a bit, but am no more official than you are. Apr 21 15:35:36 aye, thanks though Apr 21 15:35:45 i just found my way here Apr 21 15:36:00 preoccupied, pong Apr 21 15:36:08 been lurking around too long on precentral/webos-internals wiki and thought i might join irc Apr 21 15:36:20 Destroyer661: ... I'd would say that you should probably make sure the content you post is consistent with the principles posted in the channel banner ... respect copyrights, carrier agreements, etc. in whatever you post there Apr 21 15:38:04 aye Apr 21 15:39:15 just updating thjust more of updating the version i've tested the game with and the performance i'm experienceing Apr 21 15:39:32 Destroyer661: that sounds like something that would be appreciated Apr 21 15:39:51 :D Apr 21 15:41:54 preoccupied, palm-webos-device root # cat /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input Apr 21 15:41:54 18 Apr 21 15:46:57 nt4cats: I hereby give you authority to officially advise on webos-internals wiki usage Apr 21 15:47:21 nt4cats: I need to start filling up python/ too, get to work ;) Apr 21 15:48:16 * nt4cats is booting his WIDK virtual machine ... Apr 21 15:52:25 nt4cats: use common/flex or bison, I think those are the most straight forward templates. just include those support files, have the src_tz or src_bz reference the download source, and then the rest of the stuff should stay the same (the unpacking and config/make/make install lines) Apr 21 15:53:45 zsoc_wirc: to make sure I grok the build environment I was going to pick something smaller than python (e.g. ping) and see if I can get that to build Apr 21 15:54:32 nt4cats: sure. it's classic rwhitby build env file style ;) Apr 21 15:55:09 * zsoc_wirc thinks of all the cool python stuff we could stage Apr 21 15:58:05 ka6sox: ping Apr 21 16:00:55 preoccupied, good morning Apr 21 16:01:06 how are you doing? Apr 21 16:01:19 other than not getting enough sleep, pretty good. Apr 21 16:01:35 what is the most intense game you have on your pre? Apr 21 16:01:38 haha, i didn't get enough either. Apr 21 16:01:45 i have NOVA & Asphalt 5 Apr 21 16:02:09 okay does Asphalt5 work with 800mhz enabled? Apr 21 16:02:40 lemme check Apr 21 16:03:22 hmm TMC error Apr 21 16:03:25 gotta reboot Apr 21 16:03:36 whoops Apr 21 16:04:02 okay, second question, did you install openssh on your phone? Apr 21 16:04:11 i did Apr 21 16:04:17 but i haven't set up the keys yet Apr 21 16:04:21 so i just novaterm in Apr 21 16:04:38 oh...actually it's working now Apr 21 16:04:40 preoccupied, kewl....thats helpful. Apr 21 16:05:54 what I'd love for you to do is run ssh-keygen 3X (dropped off into the background) with -b 2048 and play asphalt 5 for a few minutes and give me a temp reading. Apr 21 16:06:50 Palm is asking if any PDK apps are ready to deploy to the app catalog. Are any of the webos-internals ports of games ready to deploy to the app catalog? Would quake, or doom or any of the others pass Palm's inspection and be deployable? Apr 21 16:07:19 ok...will do Apr 21 16:08:09 preoccupied, thanks Apr 21 16:17:33 preoccupied, the max and min I've seen so far have been the 52 you had yesterday and 18 when my pre has the screen off and is idle. (with just an ssh session going) Apr 21 16:18:16 yeah...i managed to hit 53 once with 5 nbench threads running for 15+ mins Apr 21 16:19:01 okay so 53 is still not too bad. Apr 21 16:19:11 that was at what cpu_freq? Apr 21 16:19:15 so...what would be the worst? Apr 21 16:19:17 that was at 800 Apr 21 16:19:32 in terms of possible damage to the cpu Apr 21 16:19:55 I'm still benchmarking it but so far thats the highest number I've seen. Apr 21 16:20:34 TI doesnt' give us the operating temperature for a 3430 but the 3530 is 0-90degC Operating. Apr 21 16:21:05 wow Apr 21 16:21:12 so we have a lot of room Apr 21 16:21:26 i'm sure the 3430 is pretty close... Apr 21 16:21:33 since the 3430 is the 1st of the generation I'm going to say we need to be more conservative. Apr 21 16:22:01 wait...is the ssh-keygen supposed to be quick? Apr 21 16:22:27 its also a 65nm process so pushing frequency up too much should induce more heating. Apr 21 16:22:52 ok Apr 21 16:23:07 the ssh-keygen with -b 2048 should take about 30 seconds or so. Apr 21 16:23:24 preoccupied, the other thing is that I don't know where on the Die the temp sensor actually is. Apr 21 16:23:39 (I've not seen a micrograph of the die) Apr 21 16:24:10 the Droid firmware hackers have made the same OMAP CPU go to 1.2GHz, but really that's ricing because the bus is only 800MHz anyway so the extra speed is wasted. Apr 21 16:24:52 they should add the omap34xx_temp patch to their kernel. Apr 21 16:25:23 i'm just surprised that TI didn't realease any guidelines for the 34xx Apr 21 16:25:41 preoccupied, they have....don't go over 600mhz Apr 21 16:25:44 I haven't tried the uberkernel yet, how do you turn on the overclocking in one, and what's the testing feed again? Apr 21 16:26:04 ffffff Apr 21 16:26:11 yeah, but that says nothing about temps Apr 21 16:26:11 well THAT didn;t work Apr 21 16:26:31 which could vary alot depending on what the phone is doing / the environment around the cpu Apr 21 16:26:48 hmm Apr 21 16:26:52 my temp is at 53 Apr 21 16:31:10 hmm Apr 21 16:31:13 up to 56 now Apr 21 16:31:25 with nothing running but a5 Apr 21 16:31:32 okay... Apr 21 16:32:17 seems like the 3D games use the most of the cpu Apr 21 16:32:25 i guess they're also using the graphics chip as well Apr 21 16:32:42 right, should be using the graphics co-processor. Apr 21 16:32:50 there are game sounds too? Apr 21 16:33:06 yeah Apr 21 16:33:25 so thats working the DSP too. so more of the chip is active. Apr 21 16:33:47 please stop before it reaches 60 Apr 21 16:33:54 ok. Apr 21 16:34:01 but i think i'm a little unique tho Apr 21 16:34:06 cuz i set the min freq to 800 Apr 21 16:34:20 which caj's/unixpsycho's kernel don't do Apr 21 16:34:31 preoccupied, well...there are *others* who will do the same thing. Apr 21 16:34:38 i think they allow luna to reset the freq down to 600 when running games Apr 21 16:34:55 hmm...i guess the cpuscaler app Apr 21 16:35:24 I wish they would add the temp module to their kernels too. Apr 21 16:35:55 lol, hopefully they will. i think there might be some animosity tho Apr 21 16:36:06 cuz webos internals are building the govnah app Apr 21 16:36:12 which is going to do the same thing Apr 21 16:36:24 Let the Marketplace Decide. Apr 21 16:36:53 lol...well, more ppl should go for the govnah Apr 21 16:36:59 it's cheaper, and it's oss Apr 21 16:37:41 I still buy apps for certain things. Apr 21 16:39:10 preoccupied, okay how long have you been playing A5 now? Apr 21 16:39:42 a few minutes Apr 21 16:39:43 ok Apr 21 16:39:44 i hit 60 Apr 21 16:39:55 STOP Apr 21 16:39:57 * halfhalo_T400 likes NOVA Apr 21 16:40:15 okay that was 35minutes Apr 21 16:40:16 yeah Apr 21 16:40:30 it hovered from 55-58 while playing Apr 21 16:40:39 i only hit 60 by trying to run one nbench thread Apr 21 16:40:43 at the same time Apr 21 16:42:06 about every 30 seconds take another reading. Apr 21 16:42:15 just to see how well it recovers. Apr 21 16:42:29 ok...is there a way to display it in real time Apr 21 16:42:35 i just use cat temp1_freq Apr 21 16:42:44 maybe a refresh option? Apr 21 16:43:00 a little script would work. Apr 21 16:43:12 just poke it every so often for now. Apr 21 16:44:35 if it keeps going UP after you stop then that would indicate that the sensor isn't close to the CPU. Apr 21 16:45:33 nope...it went down from 60 to 55 a second after i killed the nbench and put a5 in the background Apr 21 16:45:46 but ok...i'll just take a reading every 30 secs Apr 21 16:45:50 pretty responsive. Apr 21 16:45:51 how long do you want me to do this? Apr 21 16:46:04 just till it stops moving. Apr 21 16:46:14 it should settle back to something. Apr 21 16:46:23 ok Apr 21 16:46:25 alright Apr 21 16:47:54 with it dropping quickly like that sounds like the sensor is close to the Processor core. Apr 21 16:48:08 (MPU_core) Apr 21 16:50:18 now I just need to instrument up sbromwich's pre when he does a long native build on his Pre. Apr 21 16:57:20 preoccupied, hopefully its settled down by now! Apr 21 17:03:26 yeah Apr 21 17:03:27 sorry Apr 21 17:03:40 0 47 30 52 60 53 90 53 120 54 150 55 180 55 210 55 240 56 270 55 300 55 330 56 Apr 21 17:03:42 my results Apr 21 17:03:56 ka6sox: the number on the left is seconds, right is temp Apr 21 17:04:20 thats after you stopped playing? Apr 21 17:04:59 after i started Apr 21 17:05:05 oh Apr 21 17:05:18 it's at 48 now Apr 21 17:05:25 about 1 min after i stopped Apr 21 17:05:27 okay thats more like it. Apr 21 17:05:43 and you have it set for 800/800? Apr 21 17:05:45 and by stopping, i just put it in card view Apr 21 17:05:49 yeah 800/800 Apr 21 17:05:58 zsoc_wirc: ping Apr 21 17:06:07 which scheduler are you using? Apr 21 17:06:15 nt4cats: sup Apr 21 17:06:48 zsoc_wirc: I just noticed that there is a placeholder for python here already ... so maybe the best place for me to start is to type "make stage" here and then just start slogging through the error messages Apr 21 17:07:02 nt4cats: sure Apr 21 17:07:34 zsoc_wirc: is that a "yep, that's a good idea" kind of "sure", or a "well that sounds pretty stupid, but whatever!" kind of "sure"? Apr 21 17:08:50 nt4cats: check the link/version in the makefile and make sure it's sane and new enough for you Apr 21 17:08:52 LOL Apr 21 17:08:56 ka6sox: not sure about which scheduler. I'm using the uber kernel Apr 21 17:09:05 ka6sox: do you mean the governor? Apr 21 17:09:09 cuz that's userspace Apr 21 17:09:19 zsoc_wirc: that's python 2.5.5 , that's new enough Apr 21 17:09:26 k Apr 21 17:10:20 preoccupied, nm...everything is disabled by default. Apr 21 17:11:30 ok, cool. 800 really makes this phone work Apr 21 17:11:44 but i love it Apr 21 17:11:53 preoccupied, this was very helpful. I"ll have to get either NOVA or A5 and do a little testing with different speed settings. Apr 21 17:12:30 ok Apr 21 17:12:46 preoccupied, I'm trying to gather data so that the Govnah can keep us from burning up the CPU. Apr 21 17:12:58 oh, ic Apr 21 17:13:13 will you make the govnah check teh cpu temp and downclock if necessary? Apr 21 17:13:22 as a safety precaution? Apr 21 17:13:30 I'd like to have it do that as a safety precaution. Apr 21 17:14:00 I could set arbitrary limits but it makes much more sense to gather real world data. Apr 21 17:14:19 yeah, makes sense Apr 21 17:14:54 (and I'm not saying this *will* be in Govnah but I don't want to end up with a bunch of DEAD Phones because we go off and burn things up needlessly. Apr 21 17:14:57 ) Apr 21 17:15:13 oh, ok. the only problem is that these CPUs difer right? Apr 21 17:15:46 mine seems to be able to handle 800 pretty well, while i've seen sbromwich say his can't stay at reliably stay at 800 Apr 21 17:16:32 i use 720Mhz Apr 21 17:16:35 and i'm cool Apr 21 17:19:39 * preoccupied leaving now, bbl Apr 21 17:19:48 preoccupied, thanks for your help! Apr 21 17:20:17 ka6sox: no prob, lemme know if you need anything else Apr 21 17:31:13 * sbromwich *heart* guinness Apr 21 17:31:20 it *so* makes the pain go away. Apr 21 17:32:02 zsoc_wirc: the python build was going great, until it got to the phase of the build process where it tries to use the python executable it just built to complile and package the python libraries :) Apr 21 17:32:22 nt4cats: right. that of course won't work Apr 21 17:32:35 nt4cats: there's probably a --disable-testing or something Apr 21 17:32:54 zsoc_wirc: I can certainly work around this, I'm quite pleased it got this far Apr 21 17:33:14 zsoc_wirc: I am going to take this python binary and xfer it to my pre now to see what happens if I try it ... Apr 21 17:33:41 nt4cats: is this a newer ver than what's in the feeds? Apr 21 17:33:52 "the feeds" == "optware"? Apr 21 17:34:10 ipkg-opt list | grep python Apr 21 17:34:21 eh. widk building is more important so we can build against it ;) Apr 21 17:34:40 sbromwich: the optware packages require you to install a bunch of optware dependencies that already exist on the pre Apr 21 17:34:49 I'm just curious cos I was having python issues building something else Apr 21 17:34:52 sbromwich: ... that is why I wanted to recompile it Apr 21 17:34:54 *nod* Apr 21 17:35:00 ahhh, fair enough Apr 21 17:35:07 sbromwich: ... but zsoc_wirc has other [evil] intentions Apr 21 17:35:16 he usually does Apr 21 17:36:01 I like evil intentions.... Apr 21 17:36:52 * halfhalo_T400 has no intentions... except for submitting his Java project and going to get food and packing for Dev days Apr 21 17:37:15 * sbromwich has intentions to finish off his 2 pints of guinness Apr 21 17:37:22 * sbromwich is setting his targets low today. Apr 21 17:37:28 * halfhalo_T400 doesn't drink Apr 21 17:37:32 * sbromwich does Apr 21 17:37:41 * halfhalo_T400 noticed Apr 21 17:37:58 * sbromwich has his boss's blessing to spend the afternoon down the pub Apr 21 17:38:15 * sbromwich is taking full advantage. Apr 21 17:38:15 * halfhalo_T400 has a pub in the building next to his office Apr 21 17:38:24 * halfhalo_T400 also works at a college Apr 21 17:38:34 student bar ftw? Apr 21 17:38:34 * halfhalo_T400 also gets student discount at said pub Apr 21 17:38:46 yeah Apr 21 17:39:06 ddenardo@tigh:/srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/python/python/build/src$ file python Apr 21 17:39:07 python: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, not stripped Apr 21 17:39:12 * sbromwich vaguely remembers nights at swansea drinking pints of flowers for 60p with anarchy, justin and dick Apr 21 17:39:45 * halfhalo_T400 is boing to need swisstomcats number before he gets on a flight tomorrow Apr 21 17:39:55 s/going/boing Apr 21 17:40:06 halfhalo_T400: 867-5309 Apr 21 17:40:15 lol Apr 21 17:40:35 my number is 555-5555 Apr 21 17:40:44 I don't get many calls.... Apr 21 17:40:54 Swissy, swissy, who should I turn to? dum da-dum dum-dum-da-dum Apr 21 17:41:07 some drug dealer is giving out my cell # as his Apr 21 17:41:13 lol Apr 21 17:41:23 "yeah, man, come over around 3am, I'll be back by then" Apr 21 17:41:23 you know what would solve that? Apr 21 17:41:37 the police have a tap on my phone now. Apr 21 17:41:39 breaking his kneecaps Apr 21 17:42:05 nah, they're just going to capture the people I report and pull them in for questioning Apr 21 17:42:05 sbromwich: sounds like a great way to meet chicks Apr 21 17:42:15 nt4cats: if only they were chicks. Apr 21 17:42:25 nt4cats: sounds more like drunken college frat boys. Apr 21 17:44:14 hence the telling them to go over at 3am. Apr 21 17:44:23 bofh ftw, etc. Apr 21 17:45:46 is anyone currently running the deathstar kernel? Apr 21 17:46:07 * sbromwich needs another set of eyes Apr 21 17:46:25 ok, if instantresume shuts off my network connections that sorta defeats the purpose Apr 21 17:46:58 sbromwich: does that kernel have a hole in it, not much bigger than two meters?I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than that ... Apr 21 17:47:20 just installed the patch for "faster card animations no glow" and it seems to have slowed down app startup, but I might just have had too much guinness Apr 21 17:47:24 heh Apr 21 17:47:31 halfhalo_T400: TCP connections? Apr 21 17:47:34 or not enough Apr 21 17:47:42 good point Apr 21 17:48:13 or possibly, "good pint". Apr 21 17:48:21 evening Apr 21 17:48:23 naw, it looks like its putting the wifi card in low power mode that causes it to hiccup when I reopen the laptop and causes it to recconnect to wifi Apr 21 17:48:28 hape :-) Apr 21 17:48:52 halfhalo_T400: TCP keepalives *might* help Apr 21 17:49:08 not in this case Apr 21 17:49:16 it connects in low power mode Apr 21 17:49:20 zsoc_wirc: this 'build python' is far from complete -- but at this point I have a python shell on my pre from an executable I built Apr 21 17:49:21 and then again... they might not ;-) Apr 21 17:49:33 is it getting a new ip? Apr 21 17:49:34 s/is far/task is far/ Apr 21 17:49:35 nt4cats meant: zsoc_wirc: this 'build python' task is far from complete -- but at this point I have a python shell on my pre from an executable I built Apr 21 17:49:38 but going from low power to normal power causes the card to be shut off and back on Apr 21 17:49:45 nt4cats: good start. does it stage python libs in the widk? Apr 21 17:49:59 oh, I know why its doing that! Apr 21 17:50:06 I had to frig with dhclient.conf on my pre so it wouldn't keep getting a new ip address every time it came out of suspend Apr 21 17:50:08 its because I disabled low power mode in windows! Apr 21 17:50:22 s/its because I disabled low power mode in // Apr 21 17:50:43 zsoc_wirc: I need to look more to see where it pooped out all of its output. Apr 21 17:51:04 zsoc_wirc: ... and I want to get the build process to complete cleanly Apr 21 17:55:56 Ok Apr 21 17:56:05 Absolutely bored in my Data Structures class Apr 21 17:56:14 with my cwd being /srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/python/python/build/src ... there is a python executable here (one that 'works' on my Pre) Apr 21 17:56:23 if I type 'file python' I get: Apr 21 17:56:29 python: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, not stripped Apr 21 17:56:33 that all looks good. Apr 21 17:56:50 It says it uses shared libs. I want to see those shared libs. Apr 21 17:56:56 ddenardo@tigh:/srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/python/python/build/src$ ldd python Apr 21 17:56:56 not a dynamic executable Apr 21 17:57:09 try ldd ./python Apr 21 17:57:21 en0x: did that Apr 21 17:58:17 copy it to your pre and run ldd against it Apr 21 17:58:20 nt4cats: static? Apr 21 17:58:46 or compile it directly on your pre, that's what all the cool kids are doing, I hear Apr 21 17:59:03 zsoc_wirc: maybe so .. but 'file' says " dynamically linked (uses shared libs)" Apr 21 17:59:03 yup! Apr 21 17:59:25 just make sure you have some marshmellows for smores as well Apr 21 17:59:48 sbromwich: ldd on the pre was useful Apr 21 17:59:50 nt4cats: well the important part for me is the ability to compile against it in the widk ;) Apr 21 18:00:28 zsoc_wirc: I'm not sure what you mean when you say "compile against it" Apr 21 18:01:17 ... to run in the WIDK you need a x86 python Apr 21 18:02:17 nt4cats: have it staged ... libpython or what not, so other packages can depend on it Apr 21 18:02:21 like pygame etc Apr 21 18:03:24 * sbromwich is suddenly experiencing a minor emergency Apr 21 18:03:32 only half a pint of guinness left Apr 21 18:03:58 lol Apr 21 18:03:58 get another Apr 21 18:04:34 zsoc_wirc: okay, so you don't just want python, you want python-devel Apr 21 18:04:48 nt4cats: do I? Apr 21 18:05:13 I'm in a snug, tis a bit of a bugger attracting the attention of the bar wenches Apr 21 18:05:39 * sbromwich *heart* proper irish pubs but they do have their downsides Apr 21 18:05:56 zsoc_wirc: how about this -- let me peek at pygame and see what you need to build it on plain ol' Linux (no cross-platform stuff) Apr 21 18:05:59 that's why I'm ordering 2 pints at a time... Apr 21 18:07:05 ha Apr 21 18:07:09 zsoc_wirc: ... and that's what I'll make sure the output of this proccess is. Apr 21 18:07:51 zsoc_wirc: because plain ol' python gives you an interpreter and compiler for python programs -- nothing to compile against Apr 21 18:08:03 err shell Apr 21 18:09:58 nt4cats: got it Apr 21 18:12:00 ... but getting the basic environment working/running is a necessary first step Apr 21 18:12:31 nt4cats: honestly, I find most packages compile in the widk from source with few issues Apr 21 18:13:33 zsoc_wirc: well, Python turned off a lot of features because "configure" didn't detect the things it was expecting to see. I'm going to work on some of them Apr 21 18:14:10 (I shouldn't say Python turned off, I should say features were turned off because .... Apr 21 18:14:48 nt4cats: right, you need to stage the packages it wants. gstreamer does the same thing Apr 21 18:15:07 zsoc_wirc: yep, it all looks doable Apr 21 18:15:09 as does ffmpeg Apr 21 18:15:44 zsoc_wirc: before trying "make stage" in the python directory I was a bit afraid of the environment. Now that I've seen it run once, I'm much less scared. Apr 21 18:16:34 nt4cats: it's ridiculously simple. the beauty of it is how it 'just works' Apr 21 18:17:22 that's why it's called 'make stage', when it runs the make install command it 'stages' the shared objects and headers in the staging/ dir (which is /usr/local to sb2) Apr 21 18:18:38 zsoc_wirc: that's one thing I was a bit confused about, seeing output go to /usr/local and not getting permissions errors as I'm running as my non-privileged user ... sb2 is doing its magic there -- nice Apr 21 18:19:44 nt4cats: the ${SB2} var loads the mapping file with all that goodness Apr 21 18:20:08 (I expect I would have realized that if I looked at it -- understand that all I've really done so far is a make, and take the python executable generated and fire it up on my pre ... no real digging/figuring out yet Apr 21 18:20:10 ) Apr 21 18:20:21 it is good to know, however Apr 21 18:21:07 yeah I'm just trying to fast forward you ;) Apr 21 18:21:20 zsoc_wirc: appreciated Apr 21 18:22:09 nt4cats: I'm trying to impress you with my build environment knowlede in replacement of an intervie ;) Apr 21 18:22:41 eh i cant wait till i get my new virtual desktop with dual monitors Apr 21 18:23:18 * nt4cats has to run an errand .. be back in 20 Apr 21 18:24:35 hmm.. errands... and errors.. Apr 21 18:24:40 what about errifs Apr 21 18:24:42 or errbuts Apr 21 18:24:57 lulz Apr 21 18:24:59 sooo hungry Apr 21 18:26:54 I just ordereed curry and chips Apr 21 18:27:02 and another guinness Apr 21 18:27:07 doon ra pub, ftw. Apr 21 18:30:48 * RMind wants palm to make a tablet or at least a non-smartphone device Apr 21 18:34:05 sbromwich: you have any ideas about the restart freeze with some kernels? Apr 21 18:45:11 zsoc_wirc: in terms of...? Apr 21 18:46:35 hang from resume from suspend is what I've been working on Apr 21 18:46:44 I *think* it's fixed in the deathstar kernel Apr 21 18:47:20 however I am now on guinness #9 so feel free to take anything I say with a pinch of salt Apr 21 18:47:45 it doesn't matter how much beer you've had Apr 21 18:47:53 does to me Apr 21 18:47:54 it matters which side of the balmer peak you are on Apr 21 18:47:57 it's NOT ENOUGH Apr 21 18:48:10 make teh pain go aweh plz Apr 21 18:48:30 balmer as in MS? Apr 21 18:48:38 yup Apr 21 18:48:55 hahaha my sms pre guitar notification is in tune with the irish music playing Apr 21 18:48:57 you haven't seen the xkcd comic? Apr 21 18:48:58 xkcd.com/323/ Apr 21 18:49:06 balmer can... I'm not saying it in public. Apr 21 18:49:36 I've already had my wrists slapped for being Sweary while Drunk. Apr 21 18:50:14 think I'm about .18 Apr 21 18:50:14 i don't think of them as relevant anymore Apr 21 18:50:32 they aren't, really Apr 21 18:50:51 they're the 1970's IBM reincarnated for this decade IMO Apr 21 18:50:59 they are in big business though Apr 21 18:51:08 exactement Apr 21 18:51:14 but i think in the valley they're dead Apr 21 18:51:20 "no one got fired for buying microsoft" Apr 21 18:51:23 it seems to be linux or OSX for the most part Apr 21 18:51:32 yup Apr 21 18:51:33 i'm sure you would be if you worked at redhat :) Apr 21 18:51:43 heh Apr 21 18:52:02 yeah I've got a friend over there, I've heard... stories and seen the facebook pictures ;-) Apr 21 18:52:47 TBH most people here in NS are *nix apart from end users Apr 21 18:53:03 heh...when I worked for a call center supporting Dell everyone had AOL disks marked "PC Suicide Kit" up in their cubes Apr 21 18:53:16 and I've sold a lot of people on the pre on the basis it's a linux box inna phone alone Apr 21 18:53:26 idontwan2know: ftw. Apr 21 18:54:23 heh...the best was when the company tried to land a support contract for AOL and had to go around taking them all down before they toured the call center Apr 21 18:54:41 I know I've sold 4 at work just because it follows policy where iphone (specifically jailbroken) doesn't Apr 21 18:54:50 * sbromwich thinks palm owes him a pint. Apr 21 18:55:31 idontwan2know: yeah we had something similar at USR with the bundled smithmicro crap... we had to do a cubicle cleanup before their rep visited ;-) Apr 21 18:57:11 i've sold several Pres as well...people just don't know anything about the phone. Apr 21 18:57:21 when they actually hold it in their hand and use it, they fall in love. Apr 21 18:57:38 that's what he said! Apr 21 18:57:57 Apr 21 18:57:59 yeah, it's going to be interesting to see what happens when I do the haligonia.ca interview... NS might become a pre hotbed ;-) Apr 21 18:58:01 fnaaaaaaar Apr 21 19:01:01 hrm Apr 21 19:01:12 who does the art for the webos internals apps Apr 21 19:01:26 like, for instance, the govnah icon Apr 21 19:01:43 FuMan: it is all stolen from the iPhone Apr 21 19:01:59 well played sirs. Apr 21 19:02:01 :P Apr 21 19:02:01 yeah we *heart* iphone so much. Apr 21 19:02:32 why do you ask ? Apr 21 19:02:59 pet peevw Apr 21 19:03:05 dammit, peeve Apr 21 19:03:22 you can feel free to modify them and submit them as replacements Apr 21 19:03:22 a lot of webos icons are squared off iphone crap Apr 21 19:03:50 wosi icons always look slick, without being too flashy Apr 21 19:04:21 just wanted to throw an addaboi if he or she was around Apr 21 19:04:55 the preware main scene search tux/magnifying glass made me lul Apr 21 19:05:29 ah Apr 21 19:08:33 hrm, what's irc autocomplete? Apr 21 19:09:50 the feature that completes your irc automatically Apr 21 19:10:15 cats, you win the helper award for the day Apr 21 19:10:28 I am to please Apr 21 19:10:33 either way, sbrom, I've had decent luck with deathstar Apr 21 19:10:51 nice one :-) Apr 21 19:11:00 no haangs from resume ffrom suspend? Apr 21 19:11:04 still haven't expired any weird wan/audio dropouts Apr 21 19:11:22 nope, never had that on one of yours Apr 21 19:11:37 now, I do get a bit of tearng in one of my videos Apr 21 19:11:40 sweet Apr 21 19:11:49 I have someone getting sig11 but... oh well Apr 21 19:12:02 FuMan: what's your powersave_)bias and up_threshold set to? Apr 21 19:12:06 but I can't confirm my scaling and gov settings... but it's prolly those Apr 21 19:12:14 ding. Apr 21 19:12:18 yah Apr 21 19:12:28 could be your cpu just won't overclock that high Apr 21 19:12:30 mine won't Apr 21 19:12:41 last novacom boot was drunk, and fairly late Apr 21 19:12:45 hahahaha Apr 21 19:12:49 drunk ftw :-) Apr 21 19:12:54 so, who knows if I pushed all settings Apr 21 19:12:59 *nod* Apr 21 19:13:07 I've been running it pretty well Apr 21 19:13:15 I think I finally figured out why my event.d script was setting failsail though Apr 21 19:13:21 not convinced by the "no flashy flashy" patch Apr 21 19:13:23 ahhhh? Apr 21 19:13:26 so, I'll get it sorted eventually Apr 21 19:13:55 either way, great work, and keep it up :D Apr 21 19:14:03 thanks :-) Apr 21 19:14:26 but not enough bat to wirc idle... gotta roll <3 Apr 21 19:14:28 I have a media contact at haligonia.ca who wants to get me drunk and sweary and do a comparison between the ipod and pre Apr 21 19:14:43 * sbromwich thinks the censor bleep might be going on overtime on that one Apr 21 19:14:49 enjoy, FuMan :-) Apr 21 19:16:10 * PuffTheMagic wonders how people get this hang on resume in the first place Apr 21 19:17:45 PRCM_FAIL Apr 21 19:18:05 bitbanging the hardware before it's ready Apr 21 19:18:24 udelay doesn't delay long enough, add in... err... cond_resched? and it works Apr 21 19:18:38 but it takes some twiddling to get it in the right ones Apr 21 19:18:46 functiond, that is Apr 21 19:18:54 s/s/d/ Apr 21 19:18:55 sbromwich meant: functiond, that id Apr 21 19:18:59 *sigh* Apr 21 19:19:11 sbromwich: drink more, try typing again Apr 21 19:19:25 yeah, fortunately I have 2 more guinness int he queueue Apr 21 19:19:42 plus curry & chips Apr 21 19:19:57 carbohydrates ftw. Apr 21 19:24:08 curry chicken = wio Apr 21 19:24:09 win Apr 21 19:24:27 WFM Apr 21 19:24:39 specially with guinness Apr 21 19:24:44 and a snug all to myself Apr 21 19:25:00 Destroyer661: jamaican curry chicken? Apr 21 19:25:30 mine was irish style Apr 21 19:25:42 ie, not spicy Apr 21 19:26:24 vietnamese idontwan2know Apr 21 19:27:48 oooh, that sounds good Apr 21 19:29:22 Hi, I was wondering if they was any windows live messenger solution for webos Apr 21 19:29:37 super awesome vietnamese place near me Apr 21 19:31:06 I have to go downtown for decent food... downside of living in suburban hell :-( Apr 21 19:31:25 i live close to a college, so Apr 21 19:31:30 lots of junk around :D Apr 21 19:31:31 ahhhh Apr 21 19:31:33 *grin*\ Apr 21 19:31:53 but as always, best part of college is the girls Apr 21 19:32:00 yeah, we have a place called "pizza corner" that is literally an intersection with pizza places on 3 corners Apr 21 19:32:07 lol! Apr 21 19:32:07 *nod* Apr 21 19:32:24 we have spring garden road, colloquially known as "skin garden". Apr 21 19:33:14 haha Apr 21 19:33:58 We have something like that, except it has whores on all the corners. Apr 21 19:33:58 awesome, I have a cohort coming down to join me for beers Apr 21 19:34:05 It's called "Whore Corner." Apr 21 19:34:16 cohort's are nice Apr 21 19:34:32 i wish i had someone to share a drink with this aft, all my friends are in exam time right now though Apr 21 19:34:43 we have hollis st where the whores hang out Apr 21 19:34:45 heh Apr 21 19:35:05 that's one of the good things about being my age, exams are a thing of the distant past :-) Apr 21 19:35:12 haha Apr 21 19:35:21 i'm on an internship right now Apr 21 19:35:31 my next semester starts in 2 weeks Apr 21 19:35:38 instead I get my boss's blessing to go down the pub and drink guinness for the afternoon in return for saving the world last night :-) Apr 21 19:35:49 :D Apr 21 19:35:49 im trying to meta doctor my phone but sprint wont give me my MSL code... Apr 21 19:36:07 is there a way to bypass the activation screen?> Apr 21 19:36:15 hello guinness #10 you are looking lonely Apr 21 19:36:16 palm profile creation screen Apr 21 19:36:37 i think if you bypass activation it renders the cell radio useless doesn't it? Apr 21 19:36:43 i just called sprint and they said they cannot give me the MSL code because my account has already been canceled Apr 21 19:36:56 let me intriduce you to your friends. Apr 21 19:36:59 or something. Apr 21 19:37:21 but the palm profile screen says to activate it must be in wireless providers service... Apr 21 19:37:23 kai_ try again. They're required to give it to you. Apr 21 19:37:47 You can't create a palm profile without a cell account. Apr 21 19:37:58 i called them twice, they gave me the response, we can't access MSL because your account has been canceled Apr 21 19:38:02 start talking about the public utility commission if they give you excuses, and ask for the representative's name. Apr 21 19:38:03 so what does meta-doctor do Apr 21 19:38:07 http://www.oxymoronical.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/P4210003.jpg Apr 21 19:38:09 very nice Apr 21 19:38:10 ;] Apr 21 19:38:35 i thought it can bypass the palm profile creation... Apr 21 19:38:39 meta doctor is for people who want to use a development phone without having it on a cell phone account. Apr 21 19:38:42 en0x: how! Apr 21 19:38:57 it bypasses the palm-profile creation, but leave the phone without a cell account. Apr 21 19:39:15 Destroyer661: the mozilla guy who ported firefox, ported fennec to it... he will be at the dev conf on sunday so u can check the fennec out on pre ;] Apr 21 19:39:15 it didnt bypass the palm-profile creation for me... Apr 21 19:39:21 did i do something wrong? Apr 21 19:39:26 Destroyer661: http://www.oxymoronical.com/blog/2010/04/Myths-and-mysconceptions-about-Firefox-on-the-Palm-Pre Apr 21 19:39:38 kai_ you have to edit the make file to tell it what to do. Try reading the instructions on the wiki page. Apr 21 19:39:59 in my makefile, uncomment means to place the number symbol (#) next to the things i want right Apr 21 19:40:45 en0x: can't make dev conf :( Apr 21 19:41:00 # BYPASS_ACTIVATION = 1 BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP Apr 21 19:41:02 this fennec looks nice Apr 21 19:41:06 so what does this mean Apr 21 19:41:19 it will bypass activation but it NOT bypass first use app? Apr 21 19:41:30 kai_: lines that start with '#" are commented out. They will be skipped. Apr 21 19:42:01 kai_: I haven't read the instructions or used the meta doctor, but I bet you want that to look something like this: Apr 21 19:42:12 BYPASS_ACTIVATION = 1 #BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP Apr 21 19:42:37 i save the makefile and use the jar file located in the metadoctor\downloads folder?> Apr 21 19:42:44 is that correct Apr 21 19:43:00 kai_: please pay special attention to my statements "I haven't read the instructions" and "[I haven't] used the meta doctor" :) Apr 21 19:43:41 en0x: need chrome on the pre now :D Apr 21 19:43:49 ok, anyone else with knowledge help me please Apr 21 19:44:03 chrome sux ass Apr 21 19:44:03 :p Apr 21 19:44:07 <3 chrome Apr 21 19:44:19 FF is to sloowwww Apr 21 19:44:44 3.6 is fast Apr 21 19:44:53 geeks should just stab and shoot each other instead of participating in zealotry flame wars Apr 21 19:45:56 you realize you're hinting at 'geeks' and 'physical actions' in one sentence right? =) Apr 21 19:45:57 I've noticed that most geeks do tend to collect knives, guns and flashlights. Apr 21 19:46:01 * Destroyer661 plays with the 2 knives on his desk Apr 21 19:46:04 and swords Apr 21 19:46:06 and have equally heated flamewars over which ist best Apr 21 19:46:20 i have a sword too Apr 21 19:46:22 i would rather use slower ff than use chrome and send all my stats to google Apr 21 19:46:23 fffuuuuu Apr 21 19:46:37 in another channel at the moment we're aruging about which is better, spyderco hole or benchmade axis-lock... Apr 21 19:47:04 i don't mind sending my stats to google Apr 21 19:47:12 i do Apr 21 19:47:12 it makes my searches amazing, they're all tailored for programming Apr 21 19:48:26 i has one of these too http://www.swissarmy.com/MultiTools/Pages/Product.aspx?category=doityourself&product=53919& Apr 21 20:19:22 yarrrrrgaaaahhblee Apr 21 20:19:32 pie? Apr 21 20:19:55 lol Apr 21 20:30:21 sbromwich: that's strange as tcp in versions 2.6.19 and above supposedly default to cubic Apr 21 20:30:48 maybe someone from palm can explain the rationale for going with reno instead Apr 21 20:32:46 sbromwich: btw there are improvements in the ondemand governor in later kernels if you feel like backporting it. Apr 21 20:32:54 eg http://groups.google.com/group/linux.kernel/browse_thread/thread/8adac29b330947a9/8c88e9094e33c485?lnk=raot Apr 21 21:43:30 morning Apr 21 21:43:40 morning Apr 21 21:43:47 murnin Apr 21 21:43:56 lazy australians waking up when half the day is already gone :) Apr 21 21:44:12 preoccupied, I duplicated your earlier test on my Pre. our numbers jive pretty well. Apr 21 21:44:50 preoccupied, I got mine up to about 60C in about 1/2 also. Apr 21 21:45:04 1/2hr that is. Apr 21 21:56:30 beelzabub1, and they want to go to bed when we are waking up too. Apr 21 21:58:06 beelzabub1: just remember that I see the lotta numbers about 16 hours before you ... Apr 21 21:58:06 s/lotta/lotto/ Apr 21 21:58:06 rwhitby meant: beelzabub1: just remember that I see the lotto numbers about 16 hours before you ... Apr 21 21:58:10 ~botslap Apr 21 21:58:11 * infobot whimpers Apr 21 21:58:38 infobot: wake up Apr 21 21:58:39 * infobot throws a barrel-full of ice water on up and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" Apr 21 22:02:20 ~botsnack Apr 21 22:02:21 ka6sox: :) Apr 21 22:03:51 preoccupied: hey, i fixed the bug where if your cpu is maxed out the stop button doesn't respond right away, and you can accidentally hit it multiple times Apr 21 22:04:43 preoccupied: i threw in a method where it instantly disables both buttons, and throws up a message to the effect of "Saving, please wait...", and then when the service responds back that the stop command is good, the record button goes live again and the state changes to "Recording stopped." Apr 21 22:30:22 ka6sox: great news. Were you using A5? Apr 21 22:30:53 zsoc: ok, sounds good. Have you released a new version? Apr 21 22:31:07 preoccupied: no, but i pushed the changes if you want to make sure my mojo is sound lol Apr 21 22:31:29 preoccupied: i'll be working on a timer tonight prolly Apr 21 22:31:47 zsoc: oh, that will be useful Apr 21 22:32:06 zsoc: are you thinking about adding visulizations as well? Apr 21 22:32:51 preoccupied: puff mentioned he might dive into that, or at least give me suggestions Apr 21 22:33:03 preoccupied: er, if my visualzations you mean like a thing that dances around when you're recording Apr 21 22:33:38 preoccupied, yes, I spent the $7 for it. Apr 21 22:33:44 its pretty fun. Apr 21 22:33:54 preoccupied: when i get around to implementing voice activation, i'll already be querying the inputs decibels in rms Apr 21 22:34:14 i can even grab it in peak if i want, so in theory i can make my own little "bar graph" Apr 21 22:34:29 zsoc: ok, sounds neat. and yeah, that's what i meant haha Apr 21 22:35:00 ka6sox: yeah, it's harder to control than need for speed, but man, lots of cars Apr 21 22:35:11 no kidding Apr 21 22:35:22 zsoc: btw, have you thought about disabling the record button? Apr 21 22:35:29 preoccupied: ... what? Apr 21 22:35:29 during record? Apr 21 22:35:35 preoccupied: it /is/ disabled during record Apr 21 22:35:59 preoccupied, sometime when you have a bit more time I'd like to check 600/800 and see if that runs cooler. Apr 21 22:36:02 oh, recordModel haha Apr 21 22:36:06 it is impossible to have the record and stop buttons enabled at the same time Apr 21 22:36:21 er, well, i coded it in such a way where it is impossible for that to happen Apr 21 22:36:30 zsoc, ALL my tape decks do THAT. Apr 21 22:36:39 ka6sox: haha nice Apr 21 22:36:42 its like Pause-record. Apr 21 22:37:21 yeah...the mojo code looks perfect Apr 21 22:37:32 preoccupied: i split the stop method into a 'pre stop' that happens before it makes the service call, so it's like "ok, all buttons are disabled, chill out while this bischnatch stops", and then it calls to stop the service and updates you when it comes back Apr 21 22:37:46 and reenable the record button of course :D Apr 21 22:37:51 preoccupied: not bad considering i don't know js lol Apr 21 22:37:56 yeah, that's why you added rthe recordStopping function Apr 21 22:38:03 haha....well, js is pretty easy if you know C Apr 21 22:38:42 and when the service finishes, it calles the recordingStopped method. looks good Apr 21 22:39:03 ka6sox: have you tried 800/600? Apr 21 22:39:04 ok good, i'm still getting used to how js/mojo handles threads Apr 21 22:39:13 oil: make govnah do things please Apr 21 22:39:29 preoccupied, when I get home I'm going to try that next. Apr 21 22:39:46 zsoc: i think the only tricky thing with mojo is the "this" reference. It can get confusing pretty quickly Apr 21 22:40:08 I just view "this" to mean 'local' heh Apr 21 22:40:16 although it temps me to make variable like this.frickin.thing.right.here Apr 21 22:40:19 it does things Apr 21 22:40:21 well, one thing Apr 21 22:40:26 oil: make it adjust freq plz Apr 21 22:40:31 and it does it fucking great! Apr 21 22:40:43 oil: yeah, it's good at the temp thing ;) Apr 21 22:41:22 better to do 1 thing good than a whole bunch lousy. Apr 21 22:42:05 zsoc: i don't know how familiar you are with JS, but if you're using mojo for the timer, look into setInterval & setTimeout Apr 21 22:42:16 zsoc: although i'm thinking mojo might not be the best approach Apr 21 22:42:28 preoccupied: i considered it, but it looks like it's going to be ridiculously inaccurate and inefficient Apr 21 22:42:29 zsoc: the JS can lag a lot Apr 21 22:42:36 preoccupied, I'm trying to find out how we can get good performance without burning up things. and how to step back gracefully so its not all or nothing. Apr 21 22:42:40 so i'm probably just going to query the position of the filesink element every .2 seconds Apr 21 22:43:19 ka6sox: ok. running locked at 800 has really good performance, as long as you're not playing a 3D game, i think Apr 21 22:43:38 battery life has to suffer though. Apr 21 22:44:03 ka6sox: that's true Apr 21 22:44:24 ok, i'll do the 600/800 test now Apr 21 22:44:25 * zsoc has used 800mhz locked for a few months now Apr 21 22:44:29 when I was reading the power management docs TI is REALLY aggressive @ saving power everywhere they can. Apr 21 22:45:01 zsoc, put the uber kernel in and start logging for me please! Apr 21 22:45:10 yeah, i wish battery technology could keep up with our demand for faster CPUs Apr 21 22:46:22 TBH I'm primarily concerned with the Thermal implications of OC. Apr 21 22:46:25 zsoc: thanks for precorder. do you know how to get it so that the Pre restarts correctly when precorder is installed? Apr 21 22:49:13 sethron|work: what do you mean restarting correctly? My pre starts fine with precorder installed... Apr 21 22:50:04 when i restart, or shut down, my Pre freezes on the little black spinner. Apr 21 22:52:17 hi Apr 21 22:52:34 someonw know if there is a way to get the md5 of a file with webos? Apr 21 22:53:09 I try to load the file with ajax :/ and md5 don't run on my pre with the file.. Apr 21 22:54:36 there are several public implementations of md5 in JS. Mojo does not currently provide one itself Apr 21 22:55:36 bhern: so it seems that the picture of camera are bigger than webos js interpreter can handle .. Apr 21 22:55:41 sethron|work: hmm, i saw that earlier actually. I just assumed that my pre was freezing Apr 21 22:57:11 yup, when i remove precorder, it cycles down and back up correctly. I just hold the power button and switch the sound slider 3 times, but it ought to power down or restart normally. Apr 21 22:57:23 i can't resize image either cause canvas doesn't have to toDataURL Apr 21 22:58:08 sethron|work: do you have a non-stock kernel? Apr 21 22:58:41 zsoc: not that bold yet, just Sprint 1.4.1.1 Apr 21 22:59:22 sethron|work: that is the first report i have of that. every other report is in conjunction with a non stock kernel. The only thing that could cause that is the service not idling or not stopping properly Apr 21 22:59:23 oh crap Apr 21 22:59:28 i know exactly what's causing that, haha Apr 21 22:59:41 y'know, i took this short cut during testing and i was like "Well i'm not sure what's suppose to go here..." Apr 21 23:00:01 Actually, even in the commit I think my language was "bandaid for upstart script" Apr 21 23:00:13 zsoc, when in doubt, comment out :-) Apr 21 23:00:32 in retrospect, i need to copy the executable to a location outside of the cryptofs mount Apr 21 23:00:49 it probably has to do with the order in which webos mounts/unmounts that location vs upstart start/stops Apr 21 23:01:20 zsoc: that does sounds logical Apr 21 23:01:24 My problem is, both my devices freeze on restart /anyway/ even without precorder lol... so it's probably another faulty upstart script Apr 21 23:01:31 so i will have a tough time testing tit Apr 21 23:01:38 sethron|work: you going to be around in like.. 3 hours? Apr 21 23:02:05 preoccupied: or can you confirm you have the same issue with freezing during restart? Apr 21 23:02:19 zsoc: I have the same issue Apr 21 23:02:22 * zsoc waits for rod to pipe in and call me an idiot for taking a shortcut Apr 21 23:02:32 preoccupied: ok, so as long as one of you are around later i'll fix that up and see if it does the trick Apr 21 23:02:34 zsoc: more than likely I will be sethron|parenting in 3 hours, but what's on your mind? Apr 21 23:02:35 zsoc: I was restarting earlier today and it froze. i thought it was due to the uber kernel Apr 21 23:02:48 sethron|work: going to push a fix, just need something with a working device to test it, heh Apr 21 23:03:08 and then i have to apologize on that thread for assuming it wasn't my app lol Apr 21 23:03:16 zsoc: yeah, i might be around in 3 hours. Apr 21 23:04:06 i suppose i am a thing with a working device, or maybe more like a verb :) Apr 21 23:04:34 s/something/someone Apr 21 23:04:35 ugh Apr 21 23:04:38 ok i gotta jet bbl Apr 21 23:09:30 apps using PDK are been accepted on store? Apr 21 23:09:54 thats what I read someplace. Apr 21 23:10:37 preoccupied, how warm are things getting? Apr 21 23:11:24 ka6sox: sorry, haven't started yet Apr 21 23:11:29 got distracted with other stuff Apr 21 23:11:32 okay np. Apr 21 23:12:36 preoccupied, just to verify you are using the uber kernel? Apr 21 23:13:58 iirc thats the only one using the temp sensor code except for RebelScumm and Deathstar. Apr 21 23:14:09 ka6sox: yeah, using the uber kernel Apr 21 23:14:46 btw, with the 600/800, resting temp is much lower... Apr 21 23:14:54 42 instead of the usual 46+ Apr 21 23:15:03 zsoc, when are you going to finish up python? Apr 21 23:21:49 ka6sox: should i be using the userspace or performance governor? Apr 21 23:22:46 just use the same one for all these tests... Apr 21 23:23:09 (and let me know which one you are using) Apr 21 23:23:43 I'm making up a spreadsheet with the values so I can track trends and try to get several datasets for comparison. Apr 21 23:24:28 that way Govnah can make intelligent decisions. Apr 21 23:24:52 keep up performance while not causing a China Syndrome. Apr 21 23:25:14 haha, alright Apr 21 23:25:24 i was using userspace earlier, I'll use it again now Apr 21 23:25:31 k Apr 21 23:37:48 I really need to figure out what each of the different types of Governors are doing. Apr 21 23:38:20 back to reading more driver code. Apr 21 23:46:18 preoccupied, things getting toasty? Apr 21 23:46:36 hello is the a simple program out there that will bypass the activation and flash it to verizon on the plam pre Apr 21 23:47:14 ~meta-doctor Apr 21 23:47:24 make that meta-doctor Apr 21 23:47:44 what is that Apr 21 23:47:58 except if its a sprint phone it probably won't work on Verizon. Apr 21 23:48:41 it is a sprint but there people out there that have done it Apr 21 23:49:59 i have flash tons of sprint phone to verizon before but this is there hardest for me Apr 21 23:50:16 look up meta-doctor Apr 21 23:52:26 meta-doctor will not assist moving a phone to a different carrier Apr 21 23:52:46 you should call the two carriers to arrange that within your terms of service Apr 21 23:53:20 ok im using windows 7 not linux i dot want a vmware on my laptop it freezes up Apr 21 23:54:07 ka6sox: nope, actually, running quite a bit cooler Apr 21 23:54:24 how is performance though? Apr 21 23:56:05 ka6sox: pretty good. very smooth still Apr 21 23:56:09 ka6sox: http://webos.pastebin.com/WtrMWNK5 Apr 21 23:57:09 preoccupied, thanks...good data. Apr 21 23:58:20 yeah, 600/800 may be the best Apr 21 23:58:40 although the cpu is pretty much locked at 600 due to luna Apr 22 00:01:21 yup....600/600 you should see quite a difference. Apr 22 00:06:12 hey all I am on my pre tryin to load preware, for w/e reson it gets stuck on loading Palm-Catalog any ideas Apr 22 00:16:14 argh Apr 22 00:21:00 i've done everything... created it, compiled, put on app path, packaged and linked on app with but it errors when i try to access my functions. rror: Uncaught TypeError: Object # has no method 'foo', Apr 22 00:21:00 someone have created a plugin and can show me some code? Apr 22 00:21:01 there are samples? Apr 22 00:23:42 dirs: I don't believe we have any samples of PDK plugins yet. We have Pre-PDK plugins and Java and C dbus services. Apr 22 00:27:16 rwhitby: how I can a function of PDK from JS? Apr 22 00:27:56 dirs: unwiredben from Palm has a tutorial on that i believe Apr 22 00:40:02 rwhitby: I read the tutorials also this thread http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=5780 and no look Apr 22 00:40:33 no luck* Apr 22 00:41:21 quick question, there is still no way for us in europe to get in to the official app catalog, right? Apr 22 00:41:44 We should at least be getting the free ones :/ Apr 22 00:42:20 luwangui: that would be an official support question to palm, best asked in the developer.palm.com forums Apr 22 00:42:33 ok thanks :) Apr 22 00:42:40 i was hoping there was some kind of workaround lol Apr 22 00:43:17 maybe someone would be a cool guy and host the .ipk's somewhere for installing with preware Apr 22 00:43:50 does "cool guy" equate to "copyright violator" ? Apr 22 00:44:25 since redistributing such items would only be allowed for packages that include such redistribution rights (such as open source packages) Apr 22 00:45:22 Yeah i know, in this case you'll have to be a criminal to share free apps with the poor europeans :p Apr 22 00:46:03 luwangui: devices in europe have access to both free and paid apps in the europe app catalog Apr 22 00:46:23 Only in certain european countries it seems Apr 22 00:46:39 i sure can't get on the catalog.. never have been.. i have a german pre, live in denmark Apr 22 00:46:43 those countries in which palm has a carrier agreement, yes. Apr 22 00:46:49 yup Apr 22 00:47:05 its allmost like they don't want my money Apr 22 00:47:14 yep, that's exactly right. Apr 22 00:59:15 *frustrated not being able to run the plugin after hours trying to* Apr 22 01:05:06 1.4.1 should have PDK or i've to install? Apr 22 01:07:47 1.4.1 has some things, other things are installed on the device by the PDK Apr 22 01:08:11 dirs: do you have the PDK installed on your host computer and read the documentation for that? Apr 22 01:09:25 yes I have PDK, and I'm using pdk-package, pdk-install Apr 22 01:12:44 i've developed an app that can't be released cause pre camera was poor. now that other app can move one cause pre can't calculate md5 of the picture with JS. so I'm here trying to use plug-in... Apr 22 01:13:00 can't moveon cause* Apr 22 01:31:04 okay so I removed the app and did filemode.755 thing before anything and it "works". now Apr 22 01:31:04 ./digvisions_plugin: error while loading shared libraries: libPDL.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Apr 22 01:32:00 LD_LIBRARY_PATH? Apr 22 01:32:08 and ldconfig Apr 22 01:43:38 $ pdk-device-install install Apr 22 01:43:39 Found connected device: Palm Pre Apr 22 01:43:40 ERROR: Only devices with Palm webOS 1.4.0 are supported! Apr 22 01:46:14 dirs: that's interesting - is there a PDK update? Apr 22 01:46:38 are out of process plugins supported in a standard way now? Apr 22 01:46:44 or is it a per-plugin ipc mecahnism Apr 22 01:47:03 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=6133 pdk-device-install Apr 22 01:47:21 rwhitby: does free store publishing change anything? Apr 22 01:52:22 I use meta-doctor, this change something? Apr 22 01:52:53 what version of the doctor did you use? Apr 22 01:53:10 now stucked with undefined symbol: PDL_RegisterMojoHandler Apr 22 01:53:30 i think that I use 1.4.1 when my pre was 1.3... Apr 22 01:54:01 didn't have 1.3 for download.. Apr 22 01:57:36 doctor was official and meta-doctor not? :P Apr 22 01:57:53 will restore with doctor.. Apr 22 02:03:40 meta-doctor just uses whatever version you supply it Apr 22 02:07:22 so i've to pdk-device-install? Apr 22 02:07:50 can use c + js to code will save *my life* Apr 22 02:15:09 dirs: I have not personally used the PDK, since all the stuff I'm doing requires root access and the PDK will not be allowing that Apr 22 02:18:00 hm, that seems to be a difference in services and plugins, .. Apr 22 02:24:05 we have Java services, C services, NPAPI browser plugins, and PDK plugins Apr 22 02:24:16 we've done the first three, but not the last one Apr 22 02:25:58 could PDK be modified to support root? Apr 22 02:26:41 tmzt_: it would be silly, the current method we have to access services is much more robust than anything the pdk offers Apr 22 02:27:39 demonstrating pre to a friend Apr 22 02:27:49 hi friend Apr 22 02:28:22 zsoc: how are you accessing? via js? Apr 22 02:28:46 sbromwich has friends? Apr 22 02:28:57 lol Apr 22 02:29:32 dirs: dbus service Apr 22 02:29:47 apparently so Apr 22 02:30:26 rwhitby: are allowed on app catalog? Apr 22 02:30:33 dirs: no Apr 22 02:30:55 dirs: app catalog stuff is in #webos, we deal mainly with homebrew here Apr 22 02:31:39 guys at webos think that #webos is for "easy stuff". will sleep, will try latter.. thxbye Apr 22 02:31:59 code hell Apr 22 02:34:27 dirs: yes, PDK developers are stuck between two worlds at the moment Apr 22 02:35:02 how would one install an ipk without access to a machine with the sdk? Apr 22 02:35:10 custom preware feed seems way overkill. Apr 22 02:35:18 dtzWill: do you have terminal ? Apr 22 02:35:26 rwhitby: absolutely, ssh, etc Apr 22 02:36:09 dtzWill: does it have a postinst script? Apr 22 02:36:12 it's a friend of mine, i just use palm-install :). but his box refuses to detect the device and time spent debugging that previously didn't pan out Apr 22 02:36:19 rwhitby: it's a kernel, so pretty sure yes Apr 22 02:36:36 install with ipk + invoking postinst manually with some magic params? :) Apr 22 02:36:48 dtzWill: yep. which kernel? Apr 22 02:37:46 rwhitby: something we're working on to see if it pans out/works/is interesting Apr 22 02:38:05 dtzWill: packaged from build.git ? Apr 22 02:38:09 would/will contribute it if we get it working :), but it's already public anyway just not on webos-internals Apr 22 02:38:13 rwhitby: yeppers Apr 22 02:38:28 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install and sh postinst should work then Apr 22 02:38:47 dtzWill: want a new subdir in kernels/patches.git for the patches? Apr 22 02:38:50 rwhitby: great. doest postinst need anything set env-var-wise? Apr 22 02:39:04 rwhitby: oh i thought ipk would refuse to install local files. Apr 22 02:39:21 dtzWill: our palm-install compatible ones don't need env vars any more Apr 22 02:39:28 rwhitby: oh great :) Apr 22 02:40:29 * rwhitby uses our recovery kernel to fix his device after Super PreKernel doesn't uninstall properly Apr 22 02:40:39 rwhitby: haha nice :) Apr 22 02:41:15 uber won't install otherwise Apr 22 02:41:26 rwhitby: re: patchs in git repo, we'll see where it goes. i don't know that people will find it useful, it's a bit of a proof-of-concept. Apr 22 02:41:47 rwhitby: primary bit is getting linux containers working, and I don't know how useful people would find that. :). Apr 22 02:41:49 dtzWill: share the fun - they don't need to be released Apr 22 02:43:45 rwhitby: kk, just didn't wanna spuriously push shit to webos-internals that doesn't belong there. happy to contribute Apr 22 02:44:22 no worries - you make the call Apr 22 02:46:39 dtzWill: wait, what was it you're working on? Apr 22 02:46:54 rwhitby, preware ever going to get the ability to disable automatic prompting of luna restart? Apr 22 02:47:17 FuMan`WCG`Forza: for what purpose? Apr 22 02:47:44 that installing a bunch of patches on preware can get super annoying Apr 22 02:47:52 the "do you want to view the code" prompt was finally removed Apr 22 02:47:58 only to get replaced by the luna reset prompt Apr 22 02:48:16 oh, multiple install checkboxes in on oil's roadmap Apr 22 02:48:27 s/in on/is on/ Apr 22 02:48:27 rwhitby meant: oh, multiple install checkboxes is on oil's roadmap Apr 22 02:48:49 although wait, if there is a luna prompt, does that replace the app installed success prompt? Apr 22 02:48:58 cause if thats the case, then its reallky six one half a dozen of the other O_O Apr 22 02:49:32 yes, it does, but for multiple installs on the roadmap you won't need to confirm each one Apr 22 02:51:32 zsoc: lxc, http://lxc.sourceforge.net/ . but that website doesn't really concisely say what they are Apr 22 02:51:44 zsoc: one way to look at it is very light-weight virtualization Apr 22 02:51:50 zsoc: another is a super chroot :) Apr 22 02:51:58 ... Apr 22 02:53:53 rwhitby, well, awesome then Apr 22 02:53:59 zsoc: i have a thing for virtualization, k? ;) Apr 22 02:57:20 dtzWill, I have a pre now Apr 22 02:57:56 RagingMind: yay. did you not before? :( Apr 22 02:58:30 I didn't until last friday Apr 22 02:58:53 RagingMind: oh well congrats :D. welcome Apr 22 02:58:59 so now I actually have some ability to back up my statements that I'd like to help with X how I could **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Apr 22 02:59:57 2010