**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 22 02:59:57 2010
Apr 22 03:03:15 <dtzWill> RagingMind: that's excellent! more help the better, and i've been busy lately so it hasn't done much (but it will! :D)
Apr 22 03:03:59 <dtzWill> RagingMind: unfortunately I'm in the middle of something so I can't talk much presently
Apr 22 03:04:29 <dtzWill> RagingMind: if you have anything in particular you wanna help with feel free to ping me or whatever and i'd be happy to help you find something to contribute :D
Apr 22 03:04:38 <dtzWill> anyway ttyl, sorry to run like this
Apr 22 03:16:15 <samjack> .
Apr 22 03:18:31 <samjack> can i ask a patch question?
Apr 22 03:19:15 <zsoc> ~asktoask samjack
Apr 22 03:19:15 <tmzt_> RagingMind: X using what method?
Apr 22 03:19:22 <zsoc> bah
Apr 22 03:19:25 <zsoc> ~asktoask
Apr 22 03:19:26 <infobot> This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.
Apr 22 03:19:34 <samjack> my phone auto updated before i could remove my patches. now they won't update and cannot be removed.  How to fix??
Apr 22 03:23:23 <drewp> samjack: are you comfortable running patch yourself over novaterm?
Apr 22 03:25:35 <samjack> drewp.  I'm not sure what that means.  I recently deleted and reinstalled preware with the installer.  not sure about novaterm.
Apr 22 03:26:39 <drewp> i had the same problem, but i used novaterm/shell/patch to fix it. it wasn't that straightforward, but we could probably fix yours that way if we have to
Apr 22 03:29:25 <samjack> thanks drewp.  i've got to leave for work in just a few minutes though.  I might have to check back.  Are there instructions posted anywhere?
Apr 22 03:29:49 <drewp> might be; i just muddled through since i knew enough about the patch command
Apr 22 03:38:39 <rwhitby> oil: Govnah 0.0.6 temp graphing is working nicely here
Apr 22 03:39:01 <oil> should move the tag
Apr 22 03:39:10 <oil> just pushed pinch-to-scale the graph
Apr 22 03:39:11 <QueueYou> nice, just installed it
Apr 22 03:39:44 <oil> though i think when you zoom way out its going to need some sortof averaging
Apr 22 03:39:50 <oil> it just becomes squares
Apr 22 03:39:51 <oil> lol
Apr 22 03:40:19 <oil> and im also thinking sliding your finger/flicking to look back
Apr 22 03:40:29 <bpadalino> sounds slick
Apr 22 03:42:11 <oil> but for now, food time
Apr 22 03:44:44 <FuMan> rwhitby, who is responsible for the precorder that just dropped?
Apr 22 03:47:07 <jhojho> has anyone seen this? http://www.kesiev.com/akihabara/ pretty cool imo
Apr 22 03:48:55 <FuMan> was internalz ever put in any feed?
Apr 22 03:55:25 <FuMan> hrm
Apr 22 03:55:36 <FuMan> i wonder how much battery will save if i drop my pre to 125 while in class...
Apr 22 03:55:42 <rwhitby> FuMan: our WHE, zsoc
Apr 22 03:56:09 <zsoc> FuMan: responsible is a funny word. I try not to take responibility for anything
Apr 22 03:56:10 <rwhitby> FuMan: Internals is a product of Canuck Software, and is in the PreCentral feed I believe
Apr 22 03:56:16 <zsoc> especially for something that makes your pre hand on reboot, heh
Apr 22 03:56:28 <zsoc> s/hand/hang/
Apr 22 03:56:28 <infobot> zsoc meant: especially for something that makes your pre hang on reboot, heh
Apr 22 03:56:35 <FuMan> zsoc son of a mother
Apr 22 03:56:40 <FuMan> is precorder whats making my pre do that?
Apr 22 03:56:45 <FuMan> figured it was all the weird kernels i've been testing
Apr 22 03:56:46 <zsoc> FuMan: yep, it's fixed in 0.5.4
Apr 22 03:57:02 <zsoc> FuMan: er, well a similar problem can be found in certain kernels as well
Apr 22 03:58:37 <FuMan> hrm, ill double check what ver i have
Apr 22 03:58:38 <FuMan> either way
Apr 22 03:58:54 <FuMan> hell of a job, ability to display/playback the recorded files in app would be nice
Apr 22 03:59:05 <FuMan> but beyond that, i don't think it needs much to be feature rich enough for most
Apr 22 04:00:01 <FuMan> haha, hung on restart :>
Apr 22 04:01:13 <zsoc> FuMan: oh, i have many things coming
Apr 22 04:01:35 <FuMan> share share?
Apr 22 04:02:15 <zsoc> immediate future is position/duration timer (how long the recording is), bluetooth-headset-as-mic support, and voice activation (ie: pause the stream when input is under x decibels)
Apr 22 04:02:26 <zsoc> and possibly phone call recording, in the super future
Apr 22 04:02:32 <zsoc> and i'm considering in-program playback
Apr 22 04:02:38 <zsoc> Oh, and visualzation of current input
Apr 22 04:02:44 <FuMan> ooo
Apr 22 04:02:47 <FuMan> visualization would be fun
Apr 22 04:03:04 <zsoc> yeah, that's actually pretty high on the list, prolly right after bluetooth, and possible before vcva depending on how i feel
Apr 22 04:03:24 <drewp> hey, does anyone happen to know what quality audio is saved with movies? (stock camera app)
Apr 22 04:03:45 <zsoc> drewp: yes, /ridiculously good/
Apr 22 04:03:58 <zsoc> drewp: it's 44100hz, 16 bit depth, unsure of the bitrate
Apr 22 04:04:04 <zsoc> they are using the DSP, closed source plugins
Apr 22 04:04:22 <drewp> :)  it's always sounded fine, but i didnt know if my playback computer was just too lousy to notice problems
Apr 22 04:04:48 <zsoc> drewp: i consider it silly.. as the mic on the pre (according to specs) doesn't pick up anything over 3500hz, heh
Apr 22 04:06:54 <drewp> video+audio codecs are fun, since the design decision comes to something like "this audio is taking 3% of the bits; should we use some processing power to compress this audio down so it's only taking 1%?"
Apr 22 04:07:18 <drewp> and then quality wins. (I'm only familiar with miniDV, but it sounds like it might be the same story on pre)
Apr 22 04:08:29 <bpadalino> 44.1kHz is 5.5125x more data than needed if the mic only has a 4kHz frequency response..  sounds like a lot of wasted space
Apr 22 04:08:46 <FuMan> hrm
Apr 22 04:08:53 <FuMan> zsoc, is 5.4 pushed yet?
Apr 22 04:09:12 <zsoc> bpadalino: what he's saying is there's probably some advantage to letting the encoder constrain/control quality rather than doing it in the pipeline
Apr 22 04:09:16 <zsoc> FuMan: nope, lol
Apr 22 04:09:20 <FuMan> jerkface
Apr 22 04:10:14 <zsoc> FuMan: the changes are untested
Apr 22 04:10:15 <ka6sox> you go bpadalino
Apr 22 04:10:21 <zsoc> FuMan: i mean it's in the testing feed, so i guess i can push it lol
Apr 22 04:10:36 <bpadalino> sounds silly to waste the power sampling at 44.1kHz .. both sampling and IO to transfer it
Apr 22 04:10:37 <FuMan> zsoc, I'LL BE YOUR HUCKLEBERRY
Apr 22 04:10:56 <halfhalo_T400> external mic maybe?
Apr 22 04:11:08 * halfhalo_T400 doesn't know what hes talking about but wants to feel included
Apr 22 04:11:09 <ka6sox> nyquist is rolling over in his grave.
Apr 22 04:11:13 <zsoc> bpadalino: well, the plugin (encoder in this case) uses the DSP through the bridge, whereas i doubt core gstreamer can/does
Apr 22 04:11:20 <zsoc> halfhalo_T400: i've considered that
Apr 22 04:11:44 <ka6sox> howdy jacques_pre
Apr 22 04:11:59 <Tman_> woohoo, macbook pro arrived today
Apr 22 04:12:09 <Tman_> installing dev tools on it now :)
Apr 22 04:12:21 <jacques_pre> hey ka6sox on train, service spotty
Apr 22 04:12:45 <ka6sox> jacques_pre, I know that one.
Apr 22 04:13:16 <halfhalo_T400> jacques_pre thats what you get
Apr 22 04:13:25 <ka6sox> Chemault.
Apr 22 04:14:01 <tmzt_> zsoc: isn't there open code from TI/Nokia for that?
Apr 22 04:14:18 <preoccupied> liking the new Govnah app. Much easier to see cpu temp
Apr 22 04:14:29 <zsoc> tmzt_: i'm unsure of the answer to that, if you're talking about core or base gst using ti bridge / kernel module
Apr 22 04:14:43 <jacques_pre> next stop, klamath falls
Apr 22 04:14:55 <ka6sox> aha...past Chemault then.
Apr 22 04:14:56 <zsoc> preoccupied: govnah is an example of what real WI devs (see: not me) can do in their spare time
Apr 22 04:15:21 <preoccupied> zsoc: not necessarily. You do a lot more lower level stuff
Apr 22 04:15:35 <zsoc> preoccupied: heh, not much lower than the kernel ;)
Apr 22 04:15:40 <sethron> zsoc: does precorder make the Pre hang when restarting?
Apr 22 04:15:48 <FuMan> zsoc, who is the icon on precorder?
Apr 22 04:15:52 <zsoc> heh, crap, git diff in my working directory is huge
Apr 22 04:15:53 * halfhalo_T400 only does mojo stuff and feels inadiquate.....
Apr 22 04:16:06 <zsoc> FuMan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYU7oG2V7uc
Apr 22 04:16:16 <zsoc> sethron: yes, it's fixed in 0.5.4 , will push soon
Apr 22 04:16:24 <preoccupied> zsoc: yeah, mojo is pretty high up. I wish i knew more...haha
Apr 22 04:16:37 <jhojho> halfhalo_T400:  lol, I'm on the other side, mojo no, linux yes.
Apr 22 04:16:40 <zsoc> preoccupied: halfhalo_T400 said that, not me
Apr 22 04:16:48 <zsoc> preoccupied: oh, n/m i see now lol
Apr 22 04:16:51 <preoccupied> yeah, whoops haha
Apr 22 04:17:01 * sethron monitoring... :)
Apr 22 04:17:28 <FuMan> zsoc, some questions you wish you could unask
Apr 22 04:17:35 * halfhalo_T400 is tempted to start making his chat app but doesn't have a pre to test it on....
Apr 22 04:17:59 <jhojho> hmm govnah has no screen shots in the preware feed
Apr 22 04:18:14 <tmzt_> halfhalo_T400: there's an x86 emulator
Apr 22 04:18:18 <FuMan> until yesterday, there wasnt much to see
Apr 22 04:18:36 <Tman_> hey total noob OSX question.. I downloaded eclipse SDK and it's a tarball with the app and a bunch of other files & folders.. I know when it's just a standalone app you can drag it into Applications but how do I install this one with all its other files?
Apr 22 04:18:36 <halfhalo_T400> I need two instances of the app to test filetransfer
Apr 22 04:18:52 <halfhalo_T400> ugg
Apr 22 04:18:59 <jhojho> time to look for food first
Apr 22 04:19:04 <halfhalo_T400> Hate eclipse on OSX
Apr 22 04:19:12 <halfhalo_T400> textmate ftw
Apr 22 04:19:34 <Tman_> halfhalo_T400: well for webos it seems like a good solution
Apr 22 04:20:14 <halfhalo_T400> I made a bundle that had all the palm specific funtions of eclipse for textmate
Apr 22 04:20:23 <Tman_> but anyway.. can I just drag the whole eclipse/ directory into Applications or what should I do?
Apr 22 04:20:31 <halfhalo_T400> which i subsequently lost when my image of my hd got corrupted
Apr 22 04:20:45 <Tman_> bummer :/
Apr 22 04:23:29 <halfhalo_T400> hehehe
Apr 22 04:23:40 <halfhalo_T400> api for pre to pre file transfer is finished
Apr 22 04:24:07 <tmzt_> zeroconf wifi?
Apr 22 04:24:18 <halfhalo_T400> nope
Apr 22 04:24:28 <halfhalo_T400> built into my soon to be started chat app
Apr 22 04:24:47 <halfhalo_T400> over zeh internet
Apr 22 04:29:42 <preoccupied> oil: how did you make the digital clock font for the CPU temp? Is it just a font?
Apr 22 04:33:27 <zsoc> preoccupied: 0.5.3 bumped, will be building soon. I wasn't able to get out service changes for 0.5.4, so 0.5.3 is same service but should have the mojo fixes (no freezing on restart/shutdown and updated stop handling)
Apr 22 04:33:40 <zsoc> or it will completely break everything, it's untested lol
Apr 22 04:34:41 <bhuey> folks
Apr 22 04:34:57 <oil> preoccupied: yeah
Apr 22 04:36:47 <ka6sox> a nice graphic to get everyone's attention
Apr 22 04:37:53 <zsoc> oil: need a failure notification.. like "no compatible kernel running" or something
Apr 22 04:38:14 <oil> yeah, it does
Apr 22 04:38:29 <zsoc> oh... i just get blank every thing here, funny
Apr 22 04:39:24 <zsoc> prolly cos i don't have a stock kernel but i'm also not running uber
Apr 22 04:39:28 <zsoc> i'll remedy that now
Apr 22 04:46:37 <jacques_pre> k falls stop, good data service
Apr 22 04:52:05 <zsoc> oil: govnah currently doesn't let you change your gov?
Apr 22 04:52:10 <oil> no
Apr 22 04:52:11 <oil> lol
Apr 22 04:53:13 <zsoc> that seems...
Apr 22 04:53:14 <zsoc> ironic
Apr 22 04:53:37 <oil> i can't write the graph first?
Apr 22 04:53:55 <zsoc> i suppose you can :>
Apr 22 04:54:17 <zsoc> preoccupied: so i forgot to push, heh, it'll build in the next run (11ish minutes)
Apr 22 04:54:25 <zsoc> gotta jet
Apr 22 04:59:06 <preoccupied> zsoc|away: alright sounds cool
Apr 22 04:59:22 <preoccupied> zsoc|away: will test when it hits the feed
Apr 22 05:03:32 <FuMan> i'll test as well
Apr 22 05:08:56 <zsoc|away> uh, maybe you shouldn't.
Apr 22 05:08:56 <zsoc|away> he
Apr 22 05:08:57 <zsoc|away> h
Apr 22 05:09:09 <halfhalo_T400> it broke?
Apr 22 05:09:19 <zsoc|away> i think it exploded my phone
Apr 22 05:09:37 <halfhalo_T400> Thats a double win
Apr 22 05:10:11 <halfhalo_T400> ohohoh
Apr 22 05:10:22 <halfhalo_T400> I have a pre plus for the ride tomorrow!
Apr 22 05:10:29 <halfhalo_T400> that means hulu!
Apr 22 05:11:34 <zsoc|away> hmm
Apr 22 05:11:56 <preoccupied> zsoc|away: i haven't installed it yet....is there a problem with it?
Apr 22 05:12:12 <zsoc|away> preoccupied: well
Apr 22 05:12:24 <zsoc|away> yes
Apr 22 05:12:24 <zsoc|away> heh
Apr 22 05:12:53 <halfhalo_T400> call it a feature and be done
Apr 22 05:13:02 <ka6sox> heh
Apr 22 05:14:08 <ka6sox> preoccupied, I tested "performance" on my pre...took it to 63deg in <5 minutes
Apr 22 05:14:14 <FuMan> temp of the pre flucuates like mad
Apr 22 05:14:53 <ka6sox> FuMan, yep....cools off pretty quick once you take the load away.
Apr 22 05:15:03 <zsoc|away> ah crap i see the typo
Apr 22 05:15:21 <preoccupied> zsoc|away: i'll wait then....lemme know when you push a fix
Apr 22 05:15:27 <preoccupied> ka6sox: yeah, i haven't tried performance
Apr 22 05:15:30 <FuMan> tomorrow will be my first day with uber & uberscaler
Apr 22 05:15:40 <FuMan> i've been rocking straight 800 for a couple months
Apr 22 05:15:41 <zsoc|away> just pushed, won't built for 5 mins or so
Apr 22 05:15:45 <FuMan> wonder what battery improvements ill see
Apr 22 05:16:00 <preoccupied> ka6sox: 63deg is pretty hot....surprised it didn't fry!
Apr 22 05:16:24 <ka6sox> it spiked pretty hard...but was back down < 55 in less than 1 minute
Apr 22 05:16:41 <preoccupied> ka6sox: and this was with playing asphalt 5?
Apr 22 05:16:45 <ka6sox> I'm recommending we don't even look at that one.
Apr 22 05:16:58 <zsoc|away> it's funny when a postinst fails it just gives up installing the rest of the app lol
Apr 22 05:17:26 <ka6sox> preoccupied, ya, without the benchmark running as well!
Apr 22 05:18:52 <ka6sox> I need to write a little loggin app that gathers up all the good information and presents it to me to graph.
Apr 22 05:19:38 <ka6sox> top doesn't appear to be too lame...I think I can get load information easily...
Apr 22 05:20:35 <ka6sox> preoccupied, do you have ssh running on your Pre?
Apr 22 05:20:54 <sethron> zsoc: binaries?
Apr 22 05:21:14 <preoccupied> ka6sox: yeah it's running, but i just novaterm in
Apr 22 05:21:19 <preoccupied> never set up the ssh keys
Apr 22 05:21:23 <zsoc|away> sethron: ?
Apr 22 05:21:39 <sethron> zsoc looking at git
Apr 22 05:21:57 <zsoc|away> ah crap
Apr 22 05:21:59 <ka6sox> preoccupied, I'm thinking a simple ash script to gather things up for us.
Apr 22 05:22:01 <zsoc|away> it's wrong again lol
Apr 22 05:22:40 <preoccupied> ka6sox: or maybe we can try persuading oil to add in that functionality to govnah :)
Apr 22 05:23:01 <preoccupied> ka6sox: actually, nvm. Mojo is probably gonna lag anyways
Apr 22 05:23:09 <preoccupied> bash script would be better
Apr 22 05:23:21 <ka6sox> I've installed Bash on mine
Apr 22 05:23:29 <ka6sox> (from preware)
Apr 22 05:23:41 * oil ?
Apr 22 05:24:04 <ka6sox> I'll need to add some things to the service for him to do that.
Apr 22 05:24:22 <preoccupied> oil: lol, since you're already collecting cpu temp data in gov, we were hoping you could add a way to save the data
Apr 22 05:24:47 <ka6sox> and tie it in with other things like CPU load, etc.
Apr 22 05:24:58 <preoccupied> ka6sox: ok, i can work on a bash script. been a while since i did that
Apr 22 05:25:03 * zsoc|away scratches his head
Apr 22 05:25:11 <ka6sox> preoccupied, great...
Apr 22 05:25:11 <zsoc|away> i made need to revert this and figure it out tommorow
Apr 22 05:25:14 <sethron> anyone know where the Qt devs are?
Apr 22 05:25:14 <preoccupied> what do we want to store? just temps?
Apr 22 05:25:50 <ka6sox> temps, loads, the current CPU frequency,
Apr 22 05:26:07 <ka6sox> I'll get you the locations of the things we should monitor.
Apr 22 05:26:15 <preoccupied> ok
Apr 22 05:26:43 <ka6sox> we should also throw in Date etc.
Apr 22 05:26:59 <preoccupied> ok that shouldn't be too bad
Apr 22 05:27:05 * ka6sox looks for crontabs
Apr 22 05:27:15 <ka6sox> set it off every 15 seconds or so.
Apr 22 05:29:04 <preoccupied> ok
Apr 22 05:29:18 <ka6sox> crontab is there...
Apr 22 05:29:24 <ka6sox> this should make it easy
Apr 22 05:29:48 <preoccupied> can cron run tasks every 15 seconds?
Apr 22 05:29:58 <preoccupied> didn't know that
Apr 22 05:30:38 <preoccupied> and i don't see bash in preware....
Apr 22 05:30:51 <ka6sox> its probably in optware.
Apr 22 05:31:19 <ka6sox> ya, its in optware
Apr 22 05:31:20 <preoccupied> yep, you're right
Apr 22 05:31:31 <ka6sox> first setup optware bootstrap
Apr 22 05:31:35 <ka6sox> then add bash
Apr 22 05:31:50 <preoccupied> yeah, haha already have it setup
Apr 22 05:31:51 <preoccupied> haha
Apr 22 05:32:01 <ka6sox> w00t!
Apr 22 05:32:22 <preoccupied> hmm....it's erroring out on installing readline
Apr 22 05:32:31 <ka6sox> I think crons can run in as little as 1 sec
Apr 22 05:33:22 <ka6sox> not finding the ipk or something else?
Apr 22 05:33:45 <preoccupied> yeah
Apr 22 05:33:49 <preoccupied> oh...i think i need to update
Apr 22 05:33:59 <ka6sox> good plan
Apr 22 05:34:03 <preoccupied> yeah....my packages is out of date
Apr 22 05:34:03 <preoccupied> lol
Apr 22 05:34:27 <ka6sox> don't forget its /opt/bin/bash
Apr 22 05:34:46 <preoccupied> ok
Apr 22 05:34:54 <preoccupied> is there a specific place we want to store the log?
Apr 22 05:34:58 <ka6sox> unless its in $PATH
Apr 22 05:35:01 <preoccupied> /media/internal/temp.log?
Apr 22 05:35:18 <ka6sox> that works.
Apr 22 05:35:43 <ka6sox> just someplace that you can easily get it off of and email it.
Apr 22 05:35:57 <preoccupied> ok
Apr 22 05:36:10 <ka6sox> preoccupied, lemme go find the things I want to record.
Apr 22 05:37:03 <preoccupied> ok...thanks
Apr 22 05:37:32 * sethron installing Quake
Apr 22 05:38:21 <ka6sox>  /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input
Apr 22 05:38:27 <ka6sox> (of course)
Apr 22 05:38:40 <preoccupied> lol, yeah
Apr 22 05:40:09 <zsoc|away> this is officially not working for a good reason
Apr 22 05:41:23 <rwhitby> jhojho: yeah, govnah is still in testing feed, so no screenshots yet
Apr 22 05:41:59 <ka6sox> preoccupied, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq
Apr 22 05:42:19 <zsoc|away> rwhitby: autobuilder built a corrupted ipk somehow it looks like
Apr 22 05:42:41 <ka6sox> preoccupied, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
Apr 22 05:43:06 <rwhitby> zsoc|away: the reason why govnah doesn't let you change the govnah yet is because you need to have measurement in place before you start the experiment.
Apr 22 05:43:26 <zsoc|away> rwhitby: i see
Apr 22 05:43:54 <zsoc|away> rwhitby: meanwhile, when this ipkg installs, only pieces of the application tree end up in place, have you seen anything like this before?
Apr 22 05:45:10 <rwhitby> zsoc|away: nope
Apr 22 05:45:32 <ka6sox> preoccupied, /bin/date
Apr 22 05:45:40 <zsoc|away> rwhitby: i don't suppose you have a second to look at the package? i gotta jet, 2am here
Apr 22 05:45:42 <preoccupied> ka6sox: kk
Apr 22 05:45:58 <ka6sox> let me see if I can get the loading info too.
Apr 22 05:46:15 <ka6sox> I want to know how loaded the CPU thinks it is.
Apr 22 05:47:02 <rwhitby> ka6sox: /proc/uptime ?
Apr 22 05:47:29 <rwhitby> ka6sox: sorry, /proc/loadavg
Apr 22 05:47:32 <preoccupied> isn't that how long it'sb been on?
Apr 22 05:47:53 <preoccupied> rwhitby: is that current tho?
Apr 22 05:47:56 <ka6sox> ya, thats the one
Apr 22 05:47:57 <preoccupied> or just overall average
Apr 22 05:48:00 <ka6sox> /proc/loadavg
Apr 22 05:50:25 <preoccupied> mine is showing 2/196 for the fourth group...is that the cpu percentage?
Apr 22 05:52:09 <rwhitby> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_(computing)
Apr 22 05:52:55 <rwhitby> ka6sox: /usr/bin/uptime gives the load averages
Apr 22 05:53:51 <preoccupied> yeah, they're both the same
Apr 22 05:54:08 <preoccupied> i mean, they're both giving the load averages
Apr 22 05:54:26 <ka6sox> right, I just didn't need to know the acutal uptime or users...
Apr 22 05:54:37 <ka6sox> but either one is fine.
Apr 22 05:54:51 <preoccupied> hmm...looks like we'll have to parse some of it out
Apr 22 05:55:00 <preoccupied> is gawk in optware?
Apr 22 05:55:15 <ka6sox> thats why I preferred to use loadavg.
Apr 22 05:55:21 <ka6sox> less to parse out.
Apr 22 05:55:34 <sethron> http://webos.pastebin.com/tjehSAkb  have i botched the WIDK install on my rig?
Apr 22 05:56:02 <preoccupied> yeah...there's still two groups of numbers at the end of loadavg that we may not need
Apr 22 05:56:06 <ka6sox> oil, can we use this info and graph it?
Apr 22 05:56:15 <oil> what info?
Apr 22 05:56:20 * oil isn't paying attention
Apr 22 05:57:11 <preoccupied> yeah...loadavg also has current number of running processes & last PID
Apr 22 05:57:16 <preoccupied> should that be logged as well?
Apr 22 05:57:19 <tmzt_> I don't know what license you are looking for but there's gnome-power-manager which has most of this already
Apr 22 05:57:28 <tmzt_> unless it's merged into devicekit-power now
Apr 22 05:57:56 <preoccupied> ka6sox: and do we also want to log min & max scaling freq?
Apr 22 05:58:22 <preoccupied> oh nvm, yeah you already said that haha
Apr 22 05:58:38 <ka6sox> oil, what we are logging is temp, cpuload, cpu freq, governor type, etc.
Apr 22 05:58:51 <ka6sox> date/time
Apr 22 05:59:54 <ka6sox> the min and max scaling freqs need to only be displayed somewhere on the screen.
Apr 22 05:59:59 <ka6sox> 1X
Apr 22 06:00:46 <ka6sox> I'm not sure but I may need to add a handle for the JS to be able to grab ahold of that file.
Apr 22 06:01:51 <ka6sox> I think I see how to do it in govnah.git
Apr 22 06:02:19 <ka6sox> for now we can just look thru the file and correlate things.
Apr 22 06:02:31 <preoccupied> ok.
Apr 22 06:02:58 <ka6sox> tmzt_, we don't have a whole lot of room (or X) to run a gnome app (with all its libraries) on the pre.
Apr 22 06:03:11 <ka6sox> I might use something to post-process on a bigger computer.
Apr 22 06:05:04 <Gollyzila|comp> Hey rwhitby, you here? I just read your post on the Uber-Kernel thread. How would I go about comparing the md5sums of LunaSysMgr and PmNetConfig with the stock versions of them?
Apr 22 06:05:48 <rwhitby> Gollyzila|comp: log into the machine, run "md5sum <filename>" can check for correspondence in the /md5sums files.
Apr 22 06:06:06 <rwhitby> Gollyzila|comp: The /md5sums file lists the stock md5sum of every file on the system
Apr 22 06:06:16 <Gollyzila|comp> thanks, ill try that right now
Apr 22 06:07:04 <rwhitby> ka6sox: we could add a service method to get the load average
Apr 22 06:07:47 <ka6sox> I see how to do that.
Apr 22 06:08:27 <ka6sox> once we determine exactly what we need then I can add those.
Apr 22 06:09:57 <Gollyzila|comp> Where are LunaSysMgr and PmNetConfig located at?
Apr 22 06:10:04 <tmzt_> ka6sox: I mean the daemon
Apr 22 06:10:07 <rwhitby> Gollyzila|comp: /usr/bin probably
Apr 22 06:10:24 <rwhitby> Gollyzila|comp: type "which LunaSysMgr"
Apr 22 06:10:36 <Gollyzila|comp> in root?
Apr 22 06:10:47 <Gollyzila|comp> in / directory?
Apr 22 06:10:53 <rwhitby> type it anywhere
Apr 22 06:11:26 <Gollyzila|comp> which command finds any file type?
Apr 22 06:12:01 <yokken> sigh, gotta love installing the new kernel and losing phone connectivity
Apr 22 06:12:01 <rwhitby> finds a command in the $PATH
Apr 22 06:12:12 <rwhitby> yokken: which kernel?
Apr 22 06:12:21 <yokken> uber
Apr 22 06:12:24 <rwhitby> yokken: Uber-Kernel should not lose phone connectivity
Apr 22 06:12:36 <rwhitby> (until you reboot of course)
Apr 22 06:12:37 <yokken> yeah I probably broke something
Apr 22 06:12:48 <yokken> wat
Apr 22 06:13:04 <rwhitby> how did you install it?
Apr 22 06:13:08 <yokken> btw seriously man, nice work
Apr 22 06:13:11 <yokken> testing feed
Apr 22 06:14:07 <yokken> I uninstalled all patches with epr, rebooted, installed palm kernel (had the 800mhz patch), rebooted
Apr 22 06:14:08 <Gollyzila|comp> Checking the md5sums gives me Permission Denied. I used  mount -o remount,rw / to gain read write
Apr 22 06:14:15 <yokken> then installed uber kernel
Apr 22 06:14:20 <yokken> and rebooted
Apr 22 06:14:43 <yokken> now I have no patches and my phone isn't a phone :(
Apr 22 06:14:47 <rwhitby> Gollyzila|comp: are you logged in as root?  you don't need rw
Apr 22 06:15:01 <Gollyzila|comp> root@palm-webos-device:/#
Apr 22 06:15:01 <yokken> but I can see my cpu temp now, hooray
Apr 22 06:15:02 <Gollyzila|comp> yup
Apr 22 06:15:15 <rwhitby> yokken: why did you uninstall patches?
Apr 22 06:15:22 <yokken> I thought I had to
Apr 22 06:15:36 <rwhitby> nope, uber-kernel doesn't need anything like that
Apr 22 06:15:39 <yokken> I couldn't find anything anywhere that said you could leave them on
Apr 22 06:15:46 <yokken> I thought so
Apr 22 06:15:48 <yokken> fml
Apr 22 06:16:09 <rwhitby> anything you install from a webos-internals feed (except themes) can be left on
Apr 22 06:16:15 <yokken> well I tried restartin java, doesn't do anything
Apr 22 06:16:16 <Gollyzila|comp> nevermind, I was typing md5sum in plural form
Apr 22 06:16:22 <yokken> not even lose wifi
Apr 22 06:16:25 <rwhitby> that's the webos-internals difference :)
Apr 22 06:16:44 <yokken> so is it possible that I borked java in some way
Apr 22 06:16:48 <zsoc|away> rwhitby: is there anyway to force autobuilder to rebuild a package?
Apr 22 06:17:03 <rwhitby> zsoc|away: I can do that, which one?
Apr 22 06:17:12 <zsoc|away> rwhitby: precorder 0.5.3
Apr 22 06:17:30 <zsoc|away> i was looking for build errors but i had missed the last 2 logs
Apr 22 06:17:52 <yokken> but I couldve borked it with emergency service enabler
Apr 22 06:18:03 <yokken> I don't know if I had connectivity before that
Apr 22 06:18:06 <yokken> didn't notice
Apr 22 06:18:12 <preoccupied> how do you restart the ssh service?
Apr 22 06:18:40 <yokken> service stop openssh
Apr 22 06:18:44 <yokken> service start openssh
Apr 22 06:18:47 <yokken> dunno
Apr 22 06:18:55 <preoccupied> hmm, nope
Apr 22 06:19:03 <yokken> whatever ssh is called, do "pkill name"
Apr 22 06:19:06 <yokken> in terminal
Apr 22 06:19:15 <yokken> it restarts
Apr 22 06:19:24 <preoccupied> the opt version?
Apr 22 06:19:29 <yokken> no clue
Apr 22 06:19:39 <yokken> do all of them when in doubt
Apr 22 06:19:44 <rwhitby> zsoc|away: seemed to build fine
Apr 22 06:19:51 <zsoc|away> rwhitby: no errors at all?
Apr 22 06:20:11 <Gollyzila|comp> rwhitby: LunaSysMgr and LunaSysService have different md5sums
Apr 22 06:20:21 <zsoc|away> rwhitby: package date is still the same in http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/ ?
Apr 22 06:20:42 <rwhitby> zsoc|away: why is the Makefile building armv6 stuff?
Apr 22 06:20:59 <Gollyzila|comp> and "which PmNetConfig" gives no output
Apr 22 06:21:01 <rwhitby> Gollyzila|comp: sounds like the uninstall of the previous packages didn't work then
Apr 22 06:21:33 <zsoc|away> rwhitby: i have no idea what i'm doing, that's why i wanted you to look at this before. i have no idea how i even got a testing release out lol
Apr 22 06:21:36 <yokken> gonna reboot.
Apr 22 06:21:38 <zsoc|away> that's probably what's breaking it
Apr 22 06:22:11 <zsoc|away> rwhitby: er.. i mean it should work on the pixi
Apr 22 06:22:15 <zsoc|away> isn't that what the armv6 thing is for?
Apr 22 06:22:44 <Gollyzila|comp> rwhitby: So i should Doctor then? Is there anything else I can do it replace it?
Apr 22 06:22:48 <rwhitby> zsoc|away: looks like you're building for both, but only packagin armv7
Apr 22 06:23:07 <rwhitby> Gollyzila|comp: get it from an unpacked doctor and copy it over
Apr 22 06:23:19 <zsoc|away> rwhitby: well let me worry about getting armv7 to work again first :p i just do'nt understand, my last version bump barely changed anything
Apr 22 06:24:11 <rwhitby> zsoc|away: want me to work on the Makefile?
Apr 22 06:24:37 <zsoc|away> rwhitby: please, the source and the autobuilder if you could.
Apr 22 06:24:42 <zsoc|away> the problem is inconsistancy
Apr 22 06:24:52 <zsoc|away> i was building bad packages before sometimes too, just building them again fixed it sometimes
Apr 22 06:24:57 <zsoc|away> so obviously something is messed up somewhere
Apr 22 06:25:10 <rwhitby> zsoc|away: you only have a single binary in the binaries directory, rather than multiple subdirs like other tools
Apr 22 06:25:35 <zsoc|away> rwhitby: oh. that might do it? well then why the hell did it work before? Lol
Apr 22 06:25:48 <zsoc|away> rwhitby: if you could be kind, it it doesn't take more than a few minutes to fix.. i really gotta get to bed
Apr 22 06:26:06 <zsoc|away> s/it it/if it/
Apr 22 06:26:06 <infobot> zsoc|away meant: rwhitby: if you could be kind, if it doesn't take more than a few minutes to fix.. i really gotta get to bed
Apr 22 06:26:29 <Gollyzila|comp> rwhitby: So I'm looking at the contents of  webosdoctor.jar in 7zip, but I'm not sure how to find the webos filessystem. Are there directions online on how to get there so i can stop annoying you with all my millions of questions?
Apr 22 06:27:33 <rwhitby> Gollyzila|comp: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/meta-doctor.git;a=blob;f=scripts/unpack-doctor
Apr 22 06:28:07 <yokken> rwhitby
Apr 22 06:28:14 <yokken> something is borked
Apr 22 06:28:20 <yokken> still no phone
Apr 22 06:28:31 <Gollyzila|comp> rwhitby: thank you
Apr 22 06:29:05 <rwhitby> yokken: sounds like it's a doctor job
Apr 22 06:29:13 <yokken> PISS
Apr 22 06:29:18 <yokken> it's late here man
Apr 22 06:29:33 <rwhitby> yokken: then see if you can reproduce it with just uber-kernel so you can lay the blame somewhere :)
Apr 22 06:29:48 <yokken> okay so... if I wanna uninstall this, I remove it in preware. do I remove the palm kernel too?
Apr 22 06:30:23 <Gollyzila|comp> YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS, I've infiltrated into the castle
Apr 22 06:30:45 <yokken> I need to know this rwhitby D:
Apr 22 06:31:11 <yokken> no time to doctor
Apr 22 06:31:24 <Gollyzila|comp> rwhitby: So its just drag and drop in winscp from here, right? No other command line commands?
Apr 22 06:32:26 <ka6sox> preoccupied, you still up?
Apr 22 06:32:52 <preoccupied> ka6sox: have the script written
Apr 22 06:32:55 <preoccupied> just testing now
Apr 22 06:32:59 <preoccupied> but having problems with my ssh
Apr 22 06:32:59 <ka6sox> kewl
Apr 22 06:33:12 <ka6sox> are you using dropbear or openssh?
Apr 22 06:33:14 <rwhitby> Gollyzila|comp: make sure the permissions are retained
Apr 22 06:33:16 <preoccupied> openssh
Apr 22 06:33:40 <rwhitby> yokken: for all webos-internals kernels, you can just orange+tap to remove
Apr 22 06:33:51 <yokken> uninstalling uber kernel, waiting for govnah to bork
Apr 22 06:34:23 <rwhitby> yokken:  a recovery palm kernel will do nothing on removal (by design).  a stock or uber kernel will restore what was there before
Apr 22 06:34:26 <yokken> ah, works like I thought
Apr 22 06:34:41 <yokken> hokay
Apr 22 06:34:50 <yokken> so if I do it in reverse order
Apr 22 06:34:55 <yokken> MAYBE it will work
Apr 22 06:35:46 <yokken> cross mothafuckin fingers, brb hopefully
Apr 22 06:36:01 <ka6sox> preoccupied, I ssh in over WiFi to mine
Apr 22 06:36:01 <yokken> if it's more than 10min, it borked big time
Apr 22 06:36:45 <Gollyzila|comp> rwhitby: How can I check all my files to see if their md5sums match stock files? I'm kinda paranoid now :)
Apr 22 06:36:53 <ka6sox> preoccupied, you want me to write the crontab line?
Apr 22 06:39:41 <rwhitby> yokken: do you have an /etc/event.d/PmNetConfigManager file?
Apr 22 06:40:04 <rwhitby> Gollyzila|comp: make sure that /etc/event.d/PmNetConfigManager does not exist
Apr 22 06:40:26 <Gollyzila|comp> will do
Apr 22 06:40:41 <rwhitby> actually, make sure it has the original contents is what I mena
Apr 22 06:40:43 <rwhitby> mean
Apr 22 06:41:12 <Gollyzila|comp> BTW, Pre reboot smoothly after replacing the Luna files
Apr 22 06:41:28 <ka6sox> preoccupied, rwhitby mpstat might be nice to have too.
Apr 22 06:41:56 <preoccupied> ka6sox: yeah, sure. go ahead with the crontab
Apr 22 06:41:57 <rwhitby> ka6sox: agreed
Apr 22 06:42:00 <Gollyzila|comp> It does exist. Isnt it related to MyTether?
Apr 22 06:42:19 <rwhitby> Gollyzila|comp: all sorts of things mess with it.  WebOS Internals kernels don't.
Apr 22 06:42:21 <ka6sox> preoccupied, what are you calling it and where is it?
Apr 22 06:42:32 <preoccupied> i'm calling it cpustats
Apr 22 06:42:38 <rwhitby> Gollyzila|comp: check it's md5sum too
Apr 22 06:42:42 <Gollyzila|comp> okay
Apr 22 06:42:55 <rwhitby> Gollyzila|comp: please make a post in the thread to show others how to do these md5sum checks
Apr 22 06:42:56 <preoccupied> /media/internal/cpustats.sh?
Apr 22 06:43:11 <Gollyzila|comp> Which thread?
Apr 22 06:43:14 <ka6sox> I'd put it in /opt/local/bin
Apr 22 06:44:10 <yokken> well fuck me
Apr 22 06:44:24 <yokken> still broken
Apr 22 06:44:40 <preoccupied> ok
Apr 22 06:44:44 <yokken> well SOMETHING broke it big time
Apr 22 06:44:52 <yokken> hell if I know what
Apr 22 06:44:55 <jhojho> can someone with 1.4.1.1 post the output of 'ls -l /usr/bin/PmNetConfigManager
Apr 22 06:44:55 <jhojho> '?
Apr 22 06:45:05 <yokken> looks like I'm doctoring for the first time tomorrow
Apr 22 06:45:11 <Gollyzila|comp> md5sum match for PmNetconfigManager!!
Apr 22 06:45:28 <yokken> what is pmnetconfigmanager
Apr 22 06:46:30 <Gollyzila|comp> jhojho: It just gives a list right? I'll do it, i dont want to fry my phone though
Apr 22 06:46:41 <yokken> it's uh
Apr 22 06:46:47 <yokken> -rwxrwxr-x
Apr 22 06:46:57 <jhojho> Gollyzila|comp: yes
Apr 22 06:47:10 <ka6sox> -rwxrwxr-x    1 root     root       152884 Mar 24 17:52 /usr/bin/PmNetConfigManager
Apr 22 06:47:12 <yokken> so... 775?
Apr 22 06:47:31 <Gollyzila|comp> -rwxrwxr-x    1 root     root       152884 Mar 24 17:52 /usr/bin/PmNetConfigManager
Apr 22 06:47:45 <jhojho> ok thanks
Apr 22 06:47:47 <yokken> same here
Apr 22 06:48:24 <Gollyzila|comp> rwhitby: So that should be it for me? I can try the Uber-kernel install again?
Apr 22 06:48:35 <jhojho> rwhitby: are you saying there is no /etc/event.d/PmNetConfigManager in 1.4.1.1? I cant remember if there is one there by default.. =)
Apr 22 06:49:53 <Gollyzila|comp> rwhitby: Wait, i still have to replace the kernel files that werent replaced. Can i do that by copying them over from Webos Doctor?
Apr 22 06:50:10 * preoccupied is having too many problems with win7. booting linux, bbl
Apr 22 06:50:36 <yokken> whatd you do gollyzilla, and why?
Apr 22 06:50:42 * jhojho debates unstalling the 720mhz.sh and switching to the uber kernel or calling it a night...
Apr 22 06:50:55 <yokken> dude
Apr 22 06:50:58 <yokken> do it tomorrow
Apr 22 06:51:06 <yokken> NOT if you're going to bed
Apr 22 06:51:12 <yokken> I made that mistake tonight
Apr 22 06:51:23 <yokken> now my phone doesn't work as a phone lol
Apr 22 06:51:44 <yokken> rebooting, night guys. gl jhojho /gollyzilla
Apr 22 06:52:06 <Gollyzila|comp> yokken: I uninstalled 800 MHz patch, then installed Uber-Kernel, but it said that some files werent stock. Then rwhitby says to check some Luna files and they werent stock. So i had to replace them
Apr 22 06:52:10 <Gollyzila|comp> night
Apr 22 06:52:36 <Gollyzila|comp> I want to get this done too so i can get some sleep.
Apr 22 06:52:54 <rwhitby> jhojho: I corrected myself - need to make sure it is restored to virgin state
Apr 22 06:53:16 <rwhitby> Gollyzila|comp: you can use the Palm Kernel in Preware to fix the kernel files
Apr 22 06:53:18 * halfhalo_T400 is debating getting the archos 7
Apr 22 06:53:24 <Gollyzila|comp> sweet
Apr 22 06:53:30 <jhojho> rwhitby: well I can't remember if it is there by default =)
Apr 22 06:53:37 <rwhitby> jhojho: it is
Apr 22 06:53:42 <jhojho> downloading the doctor to confirm contents
Apr 22 06:54:08 <jhojho> unless someone can post the contents in a pastebin
Apr 22 06:54:53 <ka6sox> preoccupied, pastebin me the script when you are ready
Apr 22 06:54:58 <Gollyzila|comp> If i install Palm Kernel ON TOP of another kernel that was previously installed, would it just replace the necessary files and no problems would arise?
Apr 22 06:55:12 <preoccupied> ka6sox: yeah, i was having random issues
Apr 22 06:55:16 <rwhitby> Gollyzila|comp: that is the intended function of a recovery kernel, yes.
Apr 22 06:56:32 <Gollyzila|comp> Yesssssss, well I have a stock kernel now. Ill be downloading Uber kernel and govnah right after i reboot. Thank you rwhitby for all the help and answers. Night people.
Apr 22 06:57:16 <ka6sox> preoccupied, 15 * * * * * /opt/local/bin/cpustats.sh
Apr 22 06:57:42 <ka6sox> I'm assuming that isn't in $PATH
Apr 22 06:58:21 <preoccupied> ka6sox: yeah, i don't think it is
Apr 22 06:58:25 <ka6sox> (by rights it should be in sbin)
Apr 22 06:59:00 <ka6sox> that will take a snapshot every 15seconds.
Apr 22 07:00:52 <rwhitby> won't that take a snapshot every minute, at the 15 second mark?
Apr 22 07:01:26 <ka6sox> oh right */15 I think.
Apr 22 07:01:32 <ka6sox> let me look again.
Apr 22 07:02:37 <ka6sox> preoccupied, 0/15 * * * * * /opt/local/bin/cpustats.sh
Apr 22 07:02:56 <ka6sox> start at the 0 second and every 15seconds thereafter.
Apr 22 07:02:57 <preoccupied> ka6sox: looks about right
Apr 22 07:04:17 <ka6sox> morning swisstomcat
Apr 22 07:04:18 <swisstomcat> morning
Apr 22 07:06:15 <swisstomcat> morning ka6sox
Apr 22 07:06:33 <ka6sox> are you going to DevDays?
Apr 22 07:09:09 <swisstomcat> yeah
Apr 22 07:09:10 <preoccupied> ka6sox: http://webos.pastebin.com/HMUn8Dn5
Apr 22 07:09:13 <preoccupied> sorry it took so long
Apr 22 07:09:13 <swisstomcat> my flight leaves tomorrow
Apr 22 07:09:22 <swisstomcat> *knock on wood*
Apr 22 07:09:37 <preoccupied> making random errors plus windows 7 line endings is time consuming
Apr 22 07:09:49 <ka6sox> ewww...yah.
Apr 22 07:10:05 <ka6sox> swisstomcat, thougth it was dicey there with the volcano.
Apr 22 07:10:25 <swisstomcat> not what i heard
Apr 22 07:10:45 <swisstomcat> AA is flying again today, too bad i couldn't get a seat on that flight
Apr 22 07:15:06 <Gollyzila> hi me again.
Apr 22 07:15:15 <ka6sox> preoccupied, okay...that looks good.
Apr 22 07:15:40 <Gollyzila> after downloading the Palm kernel, I downloaded the Uber-kernel. now I have to kernels in my launcher. what do I do now?
Apr 22 07:16:01 <preoccupied> ka6sox: ok, great. hopefully it'll be useful haha
Apr 22 07:16:05 <ka6sox> preoccupied, put the crontab in ~root and call it.
Apr 22 07:16:36 <preoccupied> hmm...crontab -e doesn't work
Apr 22 07:16:40 <preoccupied> is it not enabled?
Apr 22 07:17:07 <ka6sox> well..is in the FS so it should be.
Apr 22 07:17:13 <jhojho> I wonder if govnah could/should be made to adjust more than just cpu scaling params.. being able to control io scheduler and tcp algo would be nice too
Apr 22 07:17:41 <ka6sox> jhojho, start small...add features when things work :D
Apr 22 07:17:52 <ka6sox> (but its a good feature request list!)
Apr 22 07:18:15 <jhojho> ka6sox: just wondering out loud to see what people think =)
Apr 22 07:19:23 <ka6sox> I like control over hardware.
Apr 22 07:19:31 <jhojho> fwiw does anyone know how the interaction between upstart and sysctl works? do we need a upstart script that calls sysctl (which will in turn read sysctl.conf)?
Apr 22 07:19:42 <swisstomcat> ka6sox: eurocontrol says that flight operations should be normal starting today
Apr 22 07:19:43 <preoccupied> ka6sox: hmm, how do you add a task then?
Apr 22 07:19:58 <jhojho> it's strange that webos has sysctl but no /etc/sysctl.conf
Apr 22 07:20:29 <rwhitby> jhojho: Govnah is intentionally a fairly generic name ;)
Apr 22 07:20:38 <jhojho> rwhitby: lol
Apr 22 07:20:55 <jhojho> govnah makes me think of mary poppins and dick van dyke
Apr 22 07:21:13 <rwhitby> jhojho: yep
Apr 22 07:21:29 <ka6sox> chitty chitty bang bang
Apr 22 07:22:04 <Gollyzila> hey rwhitby, can you read my last question please?
Apr 22 07:22:11 <ka6sox> preoccupied, wonder why this version of crontab is acting lame.
Apr 22 07:22:38 <rwhitby> Gollyzila: orange+tap the Palm kernel
Apr 22 07:23:03 <rwhitby> Gollyzila: I'm fixing that now - in the next version of the Palm kernel it will automatically uninstall itself after it's done it's job
Apr 22 07:23:17 <jhojho> okay. digging around hardy, it looks like sysctl is called from /etc/init.d/procps
Apr 22 07:23:36 <jhojho> so it looks like we could in theory have an upstart script call sysctl
Apr 22 07:23:46 <Gollyzila> thanks again
Apr 22 07:24:09 <jhojho> and follow standard convention by putting kernel params into /etc/sysctl.conf (or wherever we choose)
Apr 22 07:24:10 <rwhitby> Gollyzila: -2 version of Palm Kernel is now in the feeds
Apr 22 07:25:12 <Gollyzila> that deletes itself?
Apr 22 07:25:20 <preoccupied> ka6sox: lol, the linux is like almost complete, but missing some stuff
Apr 22 07:25:51 <ka6sox> preoccupied, you aren't going to visually edit the file right?
Apr 22 07:26:06 <jhojho> rwhitby: are you envisoning that govnah directly manipulates /sys or emiting something sysctl can use?
Apr 22 07:26:08 <ka6sox> crontab -e edits the file named in a visual editor.
Apr 22 07:26:09 <Gollyzila> how come Stock kernel is in the feeds even though it's the same thing as Palm kernel?
Apr 22 07:26:21 <preoccupied> where is the crontab usually stored?
Apr 22 07:26:32 <ka6sox> in a users home directory
Apr 22 07:26:33 <preoccupied> i can edit it by hand
Apr 22 07:27:00 <preoccupied> what's it supposed to be called?
Apr 22 07:27:11 <ka6sox> I'd just edit it by hand and then crontab -u username crontab.username
Apr 22 07:27:39 <ka6sox> in my case its crontab.root
Apr 22 07:27:45 <ka6sox> in /home/root
Apr 22 07:27:46 <jhojho> lol my /var/log/wpa_supplicant.log is 5MB in size
Apr 22 07:28:12 <ka6sox> must remember to chmod .sh file
Apr 22 07:28:33 <rwhitby> jhojho: probably both.  one for immediate change, and one for after reboot
Apr 22 07:29:07 <jhojho> rwhitby: if that is the case, why not just sysctl then?
Apr 22 07:29:19 <jhojho> you can call sysctl for immediate changes too
Apr 22 07:29:22 <rwhitby> jhojho: good point
Apr 22 07:29:34 <jhojho> makes things easier =)
Apr 22 07:30:01 <rwhitby> jhojho: one step at a time :)
Apr 22 07:30:06 <jhojho> heh
Apr 22 07:30:34 <jhojho> clearing logs using ##LOGS# only cleaned 3MB out of 12MB in my /var/logs
Apr 22 07:32:31 <ka6sox> preoccupied, now to go kick some asphalt.
Apr 22 07:33:04 <ka6sox> and when we are done with the run don't forget to crontab -r
Apr 22 07:36:01 <jhojho> where did sbromwich say the logging levels were being controlled from again?
Apr 22 07:36:15 <jhojho> I probably do not need to log kernel.debug messages
Apr 22 07:36:39 <ka6sox> if I were running an alpha kernel I'd want those.
Apr 22 07:36:54 <jhojho> true
Apr 22 07:37:46 <jhojho> interesting. it seems that kern.debug logs to both /var/log/messages and /var/log/kern.log
Apr 22 07:37:48 <preoccupied> ka6sox: unfortunately, i have to run off to bed
Apr 22 07:37:54 <preoccupied> i'll figure out the cron stuff tomorrow
Apr 22 07:38:14 <ka6sox> preoccupied, ya, I should too...but its all there now.
Apr 22 07:38:50 <preoccupied> ok, sounds good
Apr 22 07:38:54 <preoccupied> later!
Apr 22 07:39:00 <ka6sox> if you don't mind I'll find someplace in git to store the script
Apr 22 07:39:03 <ka6sox> so others can play too.
Apr 22 07:39:09 <preoccupied> ok, sounds good
Apr 22 07:39:13 <preoccupied> it's GPL
Apr 22 07:39:13 <preoccupied> haha
Apr 22 07:39:24 <ka6sox> right...that works!
Apr 22 07:39:29 <jhojho> hmm no syslogd config file
Apr 22 07:41:56 <jhojho> okay. bedtime
Apr 22 07:42:44 <ka6sox> nn
Apr 22 08:16:59 <rwhitby> ka6sox: kernels/tuning.git has been created
Apr 22 08:17:31 <ka6sox> thanks. I'll put the scripts and results in there.
Apr 22 08:20:22 <rwhitby> yeah, let's have a very open and transparent characterisation period
Apr 22 08:20:37 <rwhitby> starting with stock frequencies under heavy load
Apr 22 08:20:52 <rwhitby> so we can set the upper bound for green
Apr 22 08:21:15 <ka6sox> right. I"m writing the README/Setup document now.
Apr 22 08:25:04 <ka6sox> eventually we will need to characterize the I/O schedulers and maybe the TCP Algorithm.
Apr 22 08:43:51 <ka6sox> rwhitby, I need to find some benchmark suites that are standard so we can compare things accurately.
Apr 22 08:45:20 <ka6sox> the current tests running at different CPUFreqs and running Asphalt5 are too subjective.
Apr 22 08:48:12 <ka6sox> I'm too tired tonight to continue...I'll push all this stuff into git when I am awake and can do it right.
Apr 22 10:14:24 <swisstomcat> rehi
Apr 22 11:51:46 <en0x> does anyone knows where webos saves .mp3 files from emails?
Apr 22 11:52:00 <en0x> i can listen it in mail app but it's nowhere to be found in /media/internals
Apr 22 12:49:19 <zsoc_wirc> rwhitby: thanks for fixing my packaging issues. everything is great.
Apr 22 12:50:12 * zsoc_wirc yawns
Apr 22 12:50:21 <zsoc_wirc> baaaaaaaaah
Apr 22 12:53:35 <zsoc_wirc> now I just have to figure out why the media capture pipeline takes so long / hangs on returning stop, even tho it works
Apr 22 12:54:29 <kirbz> hi guys
Apr 22 12:55:01 <swisstomcat> hey
Apr 22 12:55:13 <kirbz> I'm trying to change the colour of the device menu - I thought it would be controlled by /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/stylesheets/systemui.css or devicemenu.css but it doesn't seem to be
Apr 22 12:55:17 <kirbz> anyone got any bright ideas?
Apr 22 12:55:26 * rwhitby knuckles down to work on making govnah read and write files without spawning a shell
Apr 22 12:56:22 <rwhitby> oil: you got any outstanding govnah changes you want to push before I fix the service return values?
Apr 22 13:06:49 <zsoc_wirc> rwhitby: oh. didn't realize you were awake :) thanks again
Apr 22 13:09:02 <VincentLaw> kirbz: it is
Apr 22 13:09:14 <VincentLaw> relevant line is in devicemenu.css, bottom of the page
Apr 22 13:09:32 <VincentLaw> background: url(../images/scrim.png) top left repeat-x;
Apr 22 13:09:52 <kirbz> VincentLaw: Ah that's strange. Thanks, I must have made a silly error
Apr 22 13:21:57 <kirbz> VincentLaw: It's really odd - whether I replace that scrim.png or remove it in favour of a background-color, neither actually affects the device menu's appearence
Apr 22 13:29:16 <swisstomcat> mewo, fellow cat
Apr 22 13:29:19 <swisstomcat> meow
Apr 22 13:29:53 <nt4cats> 'lo swissy
Apr 22 13:34:51 <zsoc_wirc> lulz
Apr 22 13:35:20 * swisstomcat uses zsoc_wirc as a scratch post
Apr 22 13:36:06 <zsoc_wirc> swisstomcat: I'm not sure what that means
Apr 22 13:36:45 <zsoc_wirc> hmm
Apr 22 13:36:54 <zsoc_wirc> well I found a use for my app
Apr 22 13:37:05 <swisstomcat> a scratchpost .. a thing for cats to sharpen their claws on ;)
Apr 22 13:37:31 <zsoc_wirc> swisstomcat: oh, I know what you meant, I guess I didn't know what it meant you were using me lol
Apr 22 13:37:54 <swisstomcat> hehe
Apr 22 13:37:58 * zsoc_wirc uses his app to make ringtones from clips of quotes on youtube
Apr 22 13:38:08 <swisstomcat> do cats need reasons to do things?
Apr 22 13:38:21 <zsoc_wirc> I suppose not
Apr 22 13:38:34 <zsoc_wirc> so I lost my cookies on Uber kernel install
Apr 22 13:38:41 <zsoc_wirc> have to make wirc usable again
Apr 22 13:40:21 <VincentLaw> kirbz: I imagine you're restarting luna when you change it, right? :P
Apr 22 13:48:35 <kirbz> VincentLaw: Naturally :P
Apr 22 13:48:49 <kirbz> It seems like it's being overidden by a separate contorl
Apr 22 13:48:52 <kirbz> control*
Apr 22 13:49:12 <kirbz> While I'm at it, have you got any idea where to edit the default splash screen image?
Apr 22 13:53:29 <nt4cats> swisstomcat: next time let's use him as a litter box
Apr 22 13:53:46 <swisstomcat> that wouldn't be very nice
Apr 22 13:53:55 <swisstomcat> even for cats
Apr 22 14:03:56 <nt4cats> swisstomcat: how about the next time he sits still we just go lay on his feet / legs / etc. so that he can't move for hours because he doesn't want to disturb us?
Apr 22 14:06:13 <mobgod> anyone have a idea why preware keeps telling me that i dont have package manger service running ??
Apr 22 14:06:28 <swisstomcat> good idea, nt4cats
Apr 22 14:06:36 <swisstomcat> a good place for naps
Apr 22 14:06:55 <swisstomcat> mobgod: did you cancel a feeds download or app installation?
Apr 22 14:07:03 <nt4cats> mobgod: was preware working previously?
Apr 22 14:07:11 <mobgod> swisstomcat no
Apr 22 14:07:16 <mobgod> nt4cats yes
Apr 22 14:07:33 <nt4cats> mobgod: have you rebooted since you first saw that error message?
Apr 22 14:07:34 <mobgod> this is very weired
Apr 22 14:07:39 <mobgod> yes
Apr 22 14:07:59 <mobgod> i just did a reboot and got the msg again
Apr 22 14:08:25 <nt4cats> mobgod: if you want to dig in and find the root cause we may be able to find it ... otherwise a preware-bootstrap.sh will probably fix it if you just want to do that.
Apr 22 14:08:55 <nt4cats> mobogd: Have you [ever] installed the alpha version of Preware?
Apr 22 14:09:02 <mobgod> yes
Apr 22 14:09:17 <swisstomcat> yeah, then the command line would be an easy fix
Apr 22 14:09:37 <nt4cats> swisstomcat: please take over, I haven't run the alpha (with the C service)
Apr 22 14:09:46 * nt4cats passes the baton
Apr 22 14:09:51 <swisstomcat> oh, are we talking about the alpha?
Apr 22 14:10:19 <mobgod> swisstomcat no i did install the alpha than got rid of it
Apr 22 14:10:21 <swisstomcat> not alpha-versions of classic preware
Apr 22 14:10:23 <nt4cats> I said "have you installed the alpha" -- he said yes.
Apr 22 14:10:42 <nt4cats> Once you install the c-language service doesn't it stay?
Apr 22 14:10:51 <swisstomcat> that might be the problem?
Apr 22 14:10:55 <nt4cats> ... or does uninstalling the alpha put the java version back?
Apr 22 14:11:06 <nt4cats> that might be the problem :)
Apr 22 14:11:22 <rwhitby> it does not
Apr 22 14:11:23 <mobgod> nt4cats thats what i thought it would put the java back guess not by the looks of it
Apr 22 14:11:33 <swisstomcat> you want the normal, non-alpha version of preware, mobgod?
Apr 22 14:11:39 <nt4cats> mobgod: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Preware_Bootstrap
Apr 22 14:11:55 <rwhitby> why would anyone go back to Preware from Preware Alpha?
Apr 22 14:11:57 <nt4cats> (that assumes you have command-line access to your phone)
Apr 22 14:12:21 <mobgod> rwhitby was doing a test on another phone i have
Apr 22 14:12:37 <rwhitby> mobgod: you'll need to reinstall package manager service
Apr 22 14:12:57 * swisstomcat admits not having tried preware alpha yet (and goes off to hide in a corner)
Apr 22 14:12:58 <mobgod> so use
Apr 22 14:13:07 <mobgod> lol @ swisstomcat
Apr 22 14:13:14 * nt4cats is in the same corner with swissy
Apr 22 14:14:04 <nt4cats> mobgod: if you have command-line access that link I pasted earlier is the easiest (in my opinion) way to get Preware and the Package Manager Service into a sane state
Apr 22 14:14:06 <rwhitby> you guys know that the javascript for preware and preware alpha is identical, right?
Apr 22 14:14:08 <mobgod> rwhitby so the wiki nt4cats gave me will not help ?
Apr 22 14:14:25 <rwhitby> mobgod: sure, that's a perfectly good way to reinstall the package manager service
Apr 22 14:14:37 <mobgod> sorry i meant help
Apr 22 14:14:42 <mobgod> darn typos
Apr 22 14:14:47 <nt4cats> mobgod: no, the wiki entry (see the "preware bootstrap" section at the very bottom) is exactly what you need.
Apr 22 14:15:13 <swisstomcat> yes, the preware bootstrap is very easy
Apr 22 14:15:46 * rwhitby now has the govnah service able to get and set all the scaling and governor parameters
Apr 22 14:16:19 * swisstomcat has not used preware for days now ;)
Apr 22 14:16:50 <swisstomcat> i don't want to make any changes to the phone before palm engineers pick it apart
Apr 22 14:18:01 <rwhitby> good plan
Apr 22 14:18:54 <rwhitby> ok, govnah taglines ...
Apr 22 14:19:17 <shanester068> loading pakage info palm catalog will not load acts like its stuck half way
Apr 22 14:19:29 <rwhitby> shanester068: update to latest Preware
Apr 22 14:19:36 <shanester068> how
Apr 22 14:20:01 <rwhitby> wosqi, bootstrap, disable palmcat feed.  choose any :)
Apr 22 14:20:53 <shanester068> i did a feed update on preferences
Apr 22 14:20:54 <nt4cats> shanester068: if you have command-line access to your Pre, my personal recommendation is the preware-bootstrap  http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Preware_Bootstrap (look all the way at the bottom)
Apr 22 14:20:58 <mobgod> rwhitby have u used aries at all?
Apr 22 14:21:14 <rwhitby> mobgod: yes.
Apr 22 14:21:19 <zinge> Not sure what's going on.... I'm having problems installing patches, and it corrupts whatever file I'm trying to patch. When I go to copy over a new version from the extracted doctor, I realized I am getting "No space left on device" messages. df -h shows 441 mb used on rootfs and 0 free. Could that be my problem? and if so... why is it suddenly filled up?
Apr 22 14:21:21 <rwhitby> mobgod: but not for a real app
Apr 22 14:21:46 <swisstomcat> are you looking for taglines, rwhitby?
Apr 22 14:21:49 <rwhitby> zinge: do you use ipkg on the command line ?
Apr 22 14:21:51 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: yes
Apr 22 14:21:57 <mobgod> rwhitby would aries be good to write a app for train and bus times in my area?
Apr 22 14:22:20 <swisstomcat> ares or aries?
Apr 22 14:22:27 <rwhitby> mobgod: ever use NxT on PalmOS - I want the same app for webOS.
Apr 22 14:22:43 <zinge> rwhitby: nope, just preware, wosqi, and palm-install
Apr 22 14:22:53 <rwhitby> zinge: dunno then
Apr 22 14:23:49 <swisstomcat> govnah: Be faster than SuperMan
Apr 22 14:24:24 <zinge> Okay. I'm confused because I went to install the update for internalz from preware, and got the same "No space left on device" error, then tried again and it seemed to work.
Apr 22 14:24:36 <mobgod> so rwhitby ares would not work for a app like that or not sure?
Apr 22 14:24:42 <rwhitby> zinge: is your cryptofs mounted?
Apr 22 14:24:49 <rwhitby> mobgod: should work fine for tha
Apr 22 14:25:08 <mobgod> thanks
Apr 22 14:25:22 <mobgod> going to try it out and see how far i can get
Apr 22 14:25:28 <mobgod> lol wish me luck
Apr 22 14:25:57 <zinge> rwhitby: its listed as mounted in mount
Apr 22 14:41:14 <swisstomcat> i'm off .. cul8er
Apr 22 14:42:39 <kirbz> Ok I've been working at this for way too long with no success :/ Can't seem to affect the appearence of the device menu OR the default splash cards
Apr 22 14:55:19 * rwhitby bbt - night all
Apr 22 15:45:02 <zinge> Sorry to ask the same question again; I had to run before. Can anyone help me with a "No space left on device" error?
Apr 22 15:45:21 <zinge> df -h shows that rootfs is 100% full
Apr 22 15:45:53 <bhern> hten your rootfs is probably full
Apr 22 15:46:00 <zinge> :-)
Apr 22 15:46:01 <zinge> I'm assuming that's the problem. Any idea why that would happen?
Apr 22 15:46:17 <bhern> you added something (patches?) to it?
Apr 22 15:46:37 <zinge> I had to doctor my phone for other reasons a couple days ago, I've used preware and wosqi to reinstall patches and apps, but that's about it.
Apr 22 15:46:40 <bhern> by default rootfs is read-only and runs pretty close to the limit
Apr 22 15:46:54 <bhern> there's not much headroom there to add things
Apr 22 15:47:48 <bhern> if you're not the author you'll need to talk to them to see what & where its making mods
Apr 22 15:48:15 <zinge> Its just that I haven't heard of anyone else having problems installing patches because they ran out of space.
Apr 22 15:48:55 <bhern> perhaps you installed to many things that needed to add to rootfs
Apr 22 15:49:19 <zinge> I just reinstalled the same patches as before, and never had a problem then.
Apr 22 15:49:45 <bhern> you could search the fs for some large file (a core or something)
Apr 22 15:50:13 <zinge> Tried that, didn't find anything over a couple megs (mp3s on /media/internal)
Apr 22 15:50:35 <bhern> that wouldnt count anyways
Apr 22 15:50:44 <bhern>  /var and /media are seperate filesystems
Apr 22 15:50:51 <zinge> My pdf viewer Yea, I know
Apr 22 15:50:56 <zinge> That's why I'm confused
Apr 22 15:50:58 <zinge> ignore the pdf part
Apr 22 15:51:03 <zinge> I was typing something else
Apr 22 15:51:28 <zinge> MY pdf viewer got corrupted, so I tar'd it from the doctor and copied it over, and didn't have enough space to extract the tar
Apr 22 15:53:17 <zinge> I have 712k free on rootfs, because I deleted my corrupt pdf viewer and video player apps. Hopefully I have anough room to copy them back over and untar them
Apr 22 15:53:44 <bhern> no idea then. i can only tell you that it's readonly by default so it must be related to some patching or something you're doing. and that the headroom in rootfs is pretty limited
Apr 22 15:54:02 <VincentLaw> according to WebOS UI, PDF Viewer takes up 1980KB
Apr 22 15:54:09 <bhern> unless you're unpacking them or putting them into rootfs that wont make a difference
Apr 22 15:54:17 <bhern> i would expect those to be in /var or /media
Apr 22 15:54:27 <zinge> no, they are palm apps, so they are in /usr/palm
Apr 22 15:54:40 <bhern> oh those...
Apr 22 15:54:43 <zinge> yeah
Apr 22 15:54:45 <VincentLaw> my / has 29.9MB free
Apr 22 15:54:53 <VincentLaw> where the heck did your 29MB go? :P
Apr 22 15:54:55 <rwhitby> zinge: / usually runs at 91% used
Apr 22 15:54:59 <zinge> That's what I'm wondering.
Apr 22 15:55:11 <rwhitby> zinge: any optware stuff installed?
Apr 22 15:55:17 <zinge> Nope
Apr 22 15:55:35 <PuffTheMagic> damn patches
Apr 22 15:55:38 <PuffTheMagic> i havent been using them for a while and my phone is fine
Apr 22 15:55:46 <PuffTheMagic> soon as i apply patches the wonkyness begins
Apr 22 15:55:53 <PuffTheMagic> no more scrim when locks
Apr 22 15:55:55 <PuffTheMagic> locked
Apr 22 15:55:59 <zinge> After I doctord a few days ago (and erased USB, started over from scratch) I don't have any optware stuff, I don't have the testing feed installed, etc
Apr 22 15:56:00 <PuffTheMagic> just teh lock icon
Apr 22 15:56:14 <ka6sox> Govnah: we make your palm Perform!
Apr 22 15:56:32 <rwhitby> zinge: I'm not aware of anything in the default Preware feeds which would fill your root partition
Apr 22 15:56:43 <zinge> That's why I'm confused :-)
Apr 22 15:56:45 <PuffTheMagic> Govnah: hot pocket
Apr 22 15:57:06 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ gotta do it in that voice of the pasty white commedian that i can remmber his name
Apr 22 15:57:09 <ka6sox> PuffTheMagic, I hope not!
Apr 22 15:57:19 <PuffTheMagic> Jim Gaffigan
Apr 22 15:57:23 <zinge> What else have I done.... I patched preware to not luna rescan after installs, but that shouldn't be related in the slightest
Apr 22 15:57:33 <PuffTheMagic> http://comedians.jokes.com/jim-gaffigan/videos/jim-gaffigan---hot-pocket-
Apr 22 15:57:51 <ka6sox> PuffTheMagic, hopefully it will detect the screen is off and go to 125mhz.
Apr 22 15:58:10 <VincentLaw> does Govnah change CPU speed?
Apr 22 15:59:41 <zinge> I redirected logs to /dev/null from http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/239779-hacking-syslog-configuration-better-startup-more-privacy.html
Apr 22 15:59:55 <zinge> I can't think of anything I've done that would fill up .
Apr 22 16:00:00 <zinge> fill up /
Apr 22 16:00:43 <zinge> I hate to do it again so soon after getting everything set up and working correctly again, but I guess I could try the doctor again.
Apr 22 16:00:52 <zinge> Theoretically, that would fix the problem, correct?
Apr 22 16:01:58 * rwhitby notes http://www.precentral.net/saverestore-holy-grail-homebrew-nears-10
Apr 22 16:03:04 <VincentLaw> zinge: doctoring AND doing a full wipe
Apr 22 16:03:19 <VincentLaw> rwhitby: saw that, also smiled when my app was on that screenshot lol
Apr 22 16:03:32 <zinge> VincentLaw: which first?
Apr 22 16:03:37 <VincentLaw> definitely most-needed app on WebOS
Apr 22 16:03:44 <rwhitby> zinge: full erase first
Apr 22 16:04:25 <rwhitby> VincentLaw: the govnah service as of 0.1.0 is able to set CPU scaling parameters.  I expect oil will have the app controlling that within 24 hours :)
Apr 22 16:04:29 <zinge> Okay. Saving my package list :-) and backing up my usb drive again now
Apr 22 16:04:48 <VincentLaw> rwhitby: awesome possum. That's what I've been waiting for :D
Apr 22 16:05:01 <VincentLaw> also what happened to you going to sleep? :P
Apr 22 16:09:09 <rwhitby> VincentLaw: Dieter called me to get some info about Uber Kernel for an article he's writing up
Apr 22 16:12:32 * rwhitby goes off to bed finally
Apr 22 16:13:31 <zinge> Full Erase started :-\
Apr 22 16:13:46 <zinge> Most annoying part? Moving all my apps back to the right launcher pages
Apr 22 16:14:17 <zinge> Because save/restore + preware should hopefully take care of reinstalling everything :-)
Apr 22 16:16:08 <VincentLaw> rwhitby: ah fun. gnight :P
Apr 22 16:24:29 <ka6sox> zinge, thats the most annoying part of any crash...putting all the stuff back where it was so you can find it.
Apr 22 16:24:41 * oilsworkn thinks zinge is right, that saverestore needs an option for icon locations
Apr 22 16:24:59 <ka6sox> morning oilsworkn
Apr 22 16:25:03 <oilsworkn> how hard could it be, its in a database
Apr 22 16:25:06 <ka6sox> like the graph.
Apr 22 16:25:13 <oilsworkn> yeah
Apr 22 16:25:20 <oilsworkn> im still not 100% happy with how its working :/
Apr 22 16:25:47 <zinge> ughh... full erase finished, doctor doesn't want to recognize my phone
Apr 22 16:25:59 <zinge> its always something, isn't it...
Apr 22 16:28:14 <DougReeder> Hello, I'm the developer of Outline Tracker.   Who do I contact with information for Save/Restore?
Apr 22 16:29:40 <oilsworkn> rwhitby :)
Apr 22 16:29:58 <oilsworkn> really, anyone could write a script
Apr 22 16:30:02 <oilsworkn> even you could :)
Apr 22 16:30:35 <zinge> And then you could move to Hollywood! #filmjoke
Apr 22 16:31:05 <en0x> lol
Apr 22 16:31:52 <zinge> Apparently WebOS Doctor likes my laptop better than my desktop... doctoring now.
Apr 22 16:31:53 <DougReeder> [snorts]  I'm keeping my device stock, to make user support easier, so I couldn't readily test it.
Apr 22 16:32:29 <DougReeder> There's just to SQLite databases to back up.
Apr 22 16:33:08 <DougReeder> that is, _two_ SQLite databases to back up
Apr 22 16:33:28 <oilsworkn> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/saverestore.git;a=tree;f=scripts;h=5f5afeaf34f70b7db5ae3bdcd7ee09cfd9339699;hb=HEAD
Apr 22 16:33:33 <oilsworkn> those scripts look mighty easy
Apr 22 16:34:27 <oilsworkn> if i were at my pc with teh key to commit to the repo, id push one for ya
Apr 22 16:34:57 <oilsworkn> just copy the drpodder one, replace the name in the file and the filename
Apr 22 16:35:00 <oilsworkn> done?
Apr 22 16:35:08 <en0x> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/saverestore.git;a=blob_plain;f=scripts/com.pivotallabs.tweed.us;hb=HEAD
Apr 22 16:35:11 <en0x> lol
Apr 22 16:35:25 <en0x> i didn;t think that;s how easy it is
Apr 22 16:35:26 <oilsworkn> en0x: yeah, haha
Apr 22 16:35:36 <oilsworkn> well, all the mojo apps are the same
Apr 22 16:35:46 <oilsworkn> its the pdk apps that have special things
Apr 22 16:35:59 <oilsworkn> not that they're that much different
Apr 22 16:36:03 <oilsworkn> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/saverestore.git;a=blob;f=scripts/com.ea.app.sims;h=fbd6a519fc940c7f9882483602412550ca26e422;hb=HEAD
Apr 22 16:36:05 <en0x> i would do like tar /media/internal/tweed.tar /some/path/to/tweed/data | gzip ;d
Apr 22 16:36:37 <oilsworkn> DougReeder: just gotta get someone with a minute of times and commit access
Apr 22 16:36:41 * oilsworkn looks at ka6sox 
Apr 22 16:36:44 <oilsworkn> xD
Apr 22 16:37:29 <en0x> hehe
Apr 22 16:37:47 <en0x>  those scripts are so eassy even cave man can doit
Apr 22 16:37:51 <en0x> right zsoc|away ?
Apr 22 16:37:52 <en0x> :>
Apr 22 16:38:02 <oilsworkn> zsoc is caveman now?
Apr 22 16:38:41 <DougReeder> What is the value of $0?  the app id?
Apr 22 16:39:17 <en0x> oilsworkn: u didn't know?
Apr 22 16:39:46 <oilsworkn> en0x: it does explain a few things
Apr 22 16:41:00 <oilsworkn> DougReeder: all that needs to be changed is APPNAME=
Apr 22 16:41:08 <oilsworkn> and the filename of the script
Apr 22 16:41:08 <oilsworkn> to match your apps appid
Apr 22 16:41:59 <DougReeder> #!/bin/sh
Apr 22 16:42:00 <DougReeder> APPID=`basename $0`
Apr 22 16:42:00 <DougReeder> APPNAME="Outline Tracker Free"
Apr 22 16:42:00 <DougReeder> source `dirname $0`/srf.app.info
Apr 22 16:42:00 <DougReeder> source `dirname $0`/srf.app.databases
Apr 22 16:42:01 <DougReeder> exit 0
Apr 22 16:42:16 <DougReeder> <== that would go in com.outlinetracker.outlinetrackerfree   I think
Apr 22 16:44:08 <DougReeder> So, does anyone here have a minute of time and commit access?
Apr 22 16:44:36 <zinge> I have a minute, but no commit access, sorry
Apr 22 16:44:43 <DougReeder> [nods]
Apr 22 16:44:52 <en0x> [;
Apr 22 16:46:16 <oilsworkn> that smiley leads me to believe en0x does
Apr 22 16:46:26 <zinge> My roommate just appeared, cooked bacon, and left. My apartment smells delicious, but I'm hungry now...
Apr 22 16:48:03 <DougReeder> Outline Tracker should be the same, just an app id of com.outlinetracker.outlinetracker
Apr 22 16:49:29 <kirbz> Is it possible to create patches that can install files (such as a .png image) on the user's Pre when installed?
Apr 22 16:49:57 <VincentLaw> that's more of a theme, not a patch
Apr 22 16:50:34 <kirbz> hmm yeah I guess that's right
Apr 22 16:51:44 <en0x> yes you can
Apr 22 16:51:51 <en0x> include .png in a patch
Apr 22 16:52:23 <kirbz> Do you have time to run me through it, en0x?
Apr 22 16:52:33 <atlanta> who's leading the save/restore app development
Apr 22 16:52:34 <atlanta> ?
Apr 22 16:54:28 <atlanta> is rwhitby sleeping already?
Apr 22 16:55:12 <sbromwich-wirc> I would expect so, it's around 2am for him
Apr 22 16:55:39 <ka6sox> 2:30am
Apr 22 16:56:47 <jhojho> sbromwich-wirc: did you see my msg back to you?
Apr 22 16:56:59 <atlanta> oh lala
Apr 22 16:57:08 <atlanta> time to get git up and running on windows
Apr 22 16:57:13 <sbromwich-wirc> no, I'm mobile atm
Apr 22 16:57:17 <en0x> kirbz: not really i'm going to lunch now
Apr 22 16:57:36 <jhojho> it's strange that the kernel default is reno (now I remember as i looked at it months ago) as cubic is the kernel default post 2.6.19 (or so)
Apr 22 16:57:41 <sbromwich-wirc> waiting to go in for an appt
Apr 22 16:58:04 <jhojho> so either someone used an old config, has a specific reason to do so or is just wrong =)
Apr 22 16:58:19 <kirbz> en0x: no probs
Apr 22 16:58:20 <sbromwich-wirc> if all options are enabled reno gets picked as default
Apr 22 16:58:36 <sbromwich-wirc> otherwise it's cubic as you say
Apr 22 16:59:38 <atlanta> en0x: wsup guy
Apr 22 16:59:39 <sbromwich-wirc> I think there's some prioritization in Kconfig at a guess
Apr 22 16:59:52 <jhojho> strange, as I thought not all the options were enabled in the original palm kernel
Apr 22 17:00:06 <sbromwich-wirc> they aren't
Apr 22 17:00:23 <sbromwich-wirc> cubic is the default in stock iirc
Apr 22 17:00:37 <en0x> atlanta: nothing much... right now I'm taking my butt and going to lunch
Apr 22 17:00:41 <en0x> atlanta: sup w/u?
Apr 22 17:00:56 <atlanta> just got back on lunch
Apr 22 17:01:06 <atlanta> and about to work on restoring text messages
Apr 22 17:01:17 <atlanta> for the save/restore app
Apr 22 17:01:19 <en0x> heh nice i was a little overworked so I missed 12pm lunch time
Apr 22 17:01:25 <en0x> now it's time for 1pm lunch time :P
Apr 22 17:01:35 <atlanta> gotcha ping me when u get back
Apr 22 17:01:42 <en0x> kk will do
Apr 22 17:01:44 <jhojho> anyone with a stock palm pre kernel execute a command for me  and return output?
Apr 22 17:01:49 <jhojho> sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_available_congestion_control
Apr 22 17:01:50 <en0x> bbs
Apr 22 17:01:59 <jhojho> should show what's available
Apr 22 17:02:09 <sbromwich-wirc> mmm
Apr 22 17:02:11 <zinge> jhojho: I can when my phone finishes restoring... :-) might take a few minutes though
Apr 22 17:02:12 <atlanta> no usb cord near me :-(
Apr 22 17:02:18 <DougReeder>  net.ipv4.tcp_available_congestion_control = cubic reno
Apr 22 17:02:53 <sbromwich-wirc> interesting
Apr 22 17:02:58 <jhojho> sbromwich-wirc:  interesting
Apr 22 17:03:19 <sbromwich-wirc> my thoughts... exactly ;-)
Apr 22 17:03:29 <jhojho> DougReeder: thanks
Apr 22 17:03:54 <DougReeder> Oh, hey, does anyone know how to kill the com.palm.calendar service, without killing the java process?
Apr 22 17:04:01 <sbromwich-wirc> something new to play with I guess
Apr 22 17:04:04 <jhojho> it seems to be cubic on uNiXpSyChO|Zzzzz 's kernel
Apr 22 17:04:18 <jhojho> and everything seems to be enabled
Apr 22 17:04:54 <jhojho> net.ipv4.tcp_available_congestion_control = cubic reno bic westwood htcp veno illinois
Apr 22 17:04:58 <DougReeder> I'm running Sprint 1.4.1.1 BTW
Apr 22 17:05:05 <jhojho> ok
Apr 22 17:05:05 <sbromwich-wirc> weird
Apr 22 17:05:24 <zsoc_wirc> sbromwich-wirc: you or marco do uber kernel?
Apr 22 17:05:26 <sbromwich-wirc> I just went through and hit Y on all the options
Apr 22 17:05:52 <sbromwich-wirc> err... "do"?
Apr 22 17:06:15 <sbromwich-wirc> marco does the hard work, I just dilettante around
Apr 22 17:07:28 <jhojho> lol
Apr 22 17:07:30 <kirbz> Hm. I don't suppose anyone knows where the CSS file that points to /usr/palm/sysmgr/images/loading-card-scrim.png is do they?
Apr 22 17:07:35 <sbromwich-wirc> I think it's all in git / preware now though
Apr 22 17:08:01 <jhojho> I wonder if anyone has done any testing with tcp tuning for mobile networks. did a quick google but did not find much info.
Apr 22 17:08:46 <sbromwich-wirc> I think you just volunteered jhojho? ;-)
Apr 22 17:08:48 <atlanta> jhojho: what do you mean
Apr 22 17:08:48 <atlanta> ?
Apr 22 17:09:07 <jhojho> sbromwich-wirc: nah. I dont have the temperment for that =)
Apr 22 17:09:14 <atlanta> far as taping into and using the connectin
Apr 22 17:09:15 <atlanta> ?
Apr 22 17:09:18 <sbromwich-wirc> there one specifically for wireless/lossy networks
Apr 22 17:09:21 <sbromwich-wirc> heh
Apr 22 17:09:51 <ka6sox> we used some serious tuning on the LEO satellites.
Apr 22 17:09:55 <sbromwich-wirc> yeahtcp I think?
Apr 22 17:10:11 <jhojho> atlanta: linux has various network options, tcp buffers etc. i'm very familiar with what needs to be done on a server network but have never tried with a mobile network (which obviously has different characteristics)
Apr 22 17:10:14 <sbromwich-wirc> would have to check Kconfig to be sure
Apr 22 17:10:27 <jhojho> well there's westwood
Apr 22 17:10:33 <atlanta> gotcha
Apr 22 17:10:51 <jhojho> although it's not clear from here if westwood in the kernel is westwood or westwood+
Apr 22 17:11:38 <sbromwich-wirc> most of it's sender side but I *think* yeahtcp with bidir with some sort of cong anticipation
Apr 22 17:11:51 <webf> atlanta: i have about 15 mins
Apr 22 17:11:58 <sbromwich-wirc> s/with/is/
Apr 22 17:11:59 <infobot> sbromwich-wirc meant: most of it's sender side but I *think* yeahtcp is bidir with some sort of cong anticipation
Apr 22 17:12:17 <sbromwich-wirc> bbl
Apr 22 17:12:28 <DougReeder> Thanks, all. It's lunchtime for me!
Apr 22 17:13:06 <atlanta> webf: im going through the java classes now
Apr 22 17:13:16 <atlanta> to see exactly how they insert the text into the database
Apr 22 17:13:27 <webf> that's what i haven't had time to do ... what are you finding?
Apr 22 17:13:36 <jhojho> atlanta: if you are willing to test... and am comfortable with using sysctl.. I can show you how =)
Apr 22 17:13:46 <halfhalo_T400> Little bloddy fers.....
Apr 22 17:13:55 <atlanta> jhojho: okie dokie when i get some time im up for some tinkering
Apr 22 17:14:07 <jhojho> ping me then
Apr 22 17:14:14 <halfhalo_T400> Some kids silly stringed my car
Apr 22 17:14:23 <atlanta> webf: i found out how they are linked to contacts i think thats going to be the hardest part
Apr 22 17:14:58 <atlanta> webf: but if im not mistaken if we just get them to insert into the db with the same phone number luna will pair them when you open the messaging app
Apr 22 17:15:18 <webf> not quite, the same phone number != contact
Apr 22 17:15:31 <webf> i think i managed to assign the same number to multiple contacts before
Apr 22 17:15:51 <atlanta> yea and luna will link the name to the name it comes across with that number
Apr 22 17:15:53 <atlanta> auto
Apr 22 17:16:07 <atlanta> if u get a text from a non saved number and then
Apr 22 17:16:20 <atlanta> after save the contact with a name
Apr 22 17:16:37 <atlanta> it scans the sms and matches it to a contact then updating the id field
Apr 22 17:16:59 <webf> right, i haven't seen their logic, but i know that i can assign the same number to two distinct contacts and they won't merge
Apr 22 17:17:23 <atlanta> SELECT "com_palm_pim_FolderEntry"."id", "com_palm_pim_FolderEntry"."messageText", "com_palm_pim_Recipient"."com_palm_pim_FolderEntry_id", "com_palm_pim_Recipient"."address","com_palm_pim_Recipient"."firstName","com_palm_pim_Recipient"."lastName" FROM "com_palm_pim_FolderEntry", "com_palm_pim_Recipient" WHERE ("com_palm_pim_FolderEntry"."id" = "com_palm_pim_Recipient"."com_palm_pim_FolderEntry_id") AND ("com_palm_pim_Folde
Apr 22 17:17:24 <webf> the messaging screen generates the query based on an internal ID btw, not the phone number
Apr 22 17:17:26 <atlanta> oops
Apr 22 17:17:52 <zsoc_wirc> that's a lot of json for one room
Apr 22 17:17:55 <webf> oh i see what you are saying
Apr 22 17:18:23 <atlanta> "com_palm_pim_FolderEntry"."id" = "com_palm_pim_Recipient"."com_palm_pim_FolderEntry_id"
Apr 22 17:18:28 <webf> so ... we actually need to backup contacts WITH messaging
Apr 22 17:18:30 <atlanta> there linked on that
Apr 22 17:18:48 <jhojho> wth?
Apr 22 17:18:55 <webf> yes i noticed that when i was scouring the database and manually developing queries to link the different schemas
Apr 22 17:19:08 <atlanta> yea so to speak since the id of the sms is linked to the contact FOLDERentry column
Apr 22 17:19:14 <jhojho> ping -s 64 -c1 google.com is the largest packet I can get without truncation from home
Apr 22 17:19:32 <jhojho> mtu = 92??!
Apr 22 17:20:03 <webf> even more, there is the whole "Chat" business ... i found out that it manages sending multiple SMS, not the FolderEntryID
Apr 22 17:20:14 * kirbz gives up
Apr 22 17:20:35 <kirbz> Palm's folder structure is beyond any logic I can see
Apr 22 17:20:36 <atlanta> webf: you mean far as the IM goes?
Apr 22 17:20:42 <atlanta> webf: http://forums.precentral.net/2045914-post95.html
Apr 22 17:21:03 <atlanta> those are 2 queries i created a while back for the db
Apr 22 17:21:11 <atlanta> to retrieve sent and recieved
Apr 22 17:21:23 <webf> sadly i don't mean IMs
Apr 22 17:21:49 <atlanta> what do you mean by CHAT business
Apr 22 17:22:05 <atlanta> oh the other table
Apr 22 17:22:10 <webf> something related to... hang on i'll look it up
Apr 22 17:22:12 <webf> yea sosrry
Apr 22 17:22:30 <webf> Chat_Thread
Apr 22 17:22:47 <webf> it manages when you blast an SMS to multiple recips
Apr 22 17:23:46 <atlanta> wierd since it sends them indivdually anyways
Apr 22 17:24:03 <webf> i know
Apr 22 17:24:07 <webf> and Contact_Chat_Thread
Apr 22 17:24:16 <webf> err, ContactChatThread
Apr 22 17:24:41 <atlanta> ok ill look through those when i get off work
Apr 22 17:24:49 <webf> something like that ... anyway, there is some very interesting round-about linking that occurs
Apr 22 17:25:17 <webf> i am very interested to know what Palm was thinking when they designed this set of schemas and data insertion, so far it's all quite obfuscated
Apr 22 17:26:05 <atlanta> yea just have to find the right .jar file that handles it
Apr 22 17:26:08 <webf> i should have some more time this weekend to take a look.
Apr 22 17:26:10 <atlanta> and the answers lies there
Apr 22 17:26:10 <webf> exactly
Apr 22 17:26:21 <atlanta> im surfing through jar files now
Apr 22 17:26:22 <yokken> so i just doctored my phone for the first time......... :'(
Apr 22 17:26:23 <atlanta> and ok sounds good
Apr 22 17:26:31 <atlanta> yokken: HOORAYYY
Apr 22 17:26:32 <webf> i'm glad i'm not the only one poking around
Apr 22 17:26:49 <atlanta> yup yup
Apr 22 17:27:04 <yokken> i somehow borked the phone functionality of my phone by fucking with the uber-kernel
Apr 22 17:27:07 <zsoc_wirc> sbromwich-wirc: I'm getting tearing
Apr 22 17:27:12 <webf> feel free to send me p|c messages if you want me to take alook at anything, sometimes i miss things in threads and i don't idle here
Apr 22 17:28:16 <atlanta> webf: ok i think i just found the messagingservice.class
Apr 22 17:28:21 <atlanta> you have aim?
Apr 22 17:28:22 <yokken> now i have to reinstall like EVERYTHING
Apr 22 17:28:27 <yokken> atlanta, what are you guys doing?
Apr 22 17:28:40 <atlanta> yokken: text message restores
Apr 22 17:28:48 <yokken> ah working on save/restore?
Apr 22 17:29:01 <atlanta> yup yup that is going to be the end result
Apr 22 17:29:03 <webf> no aim, gtalk
Apr 22 17:29:12 <yokken> finally my phone is back
Apr 22 17:29:17 <atlanta> awww ok ill get with you via p|c
Apr 22 17:29:25 <atlanta> or just shoot me a message when you have some time
Apr 22 17:29:32 <yokken> atlanta just use your pre
Apr 22 17:29:34 <yokken> lol
Apr 22 17:29:36 <webf> i can extend my time now
Apr 22 17:29:42 <yokken> it has gtalk doesn't it?
Apr 22 17:30:13 <atlanta> yokken: lol
Apr 22 17:30:13 <atlanta> true
Apr 22 17:31:38 <webf> atlanta, p|c pm sent
Apr 22 17:34:33 <yokken> wow, the setup process after doctoring is surprisingly painless
Apr 22 17:34:44 <yokken> kudos to palm for making it as painless as possible
Apr 22 17:35:43 <webf> except for the whole fact that you no longer have your text/im messages, memos, saved app data ...........
Apr 22 17:37:05 <atlanta> webf: added u on gtalk
Apr 22 17:38:28 <webf> atlanta: approved you
Apr 22 17:40:36 <yokken> my memos were worthless
Apr 22 17:41:21 <webf> oh, and tasks
Apr 22 17:42:57 <webf> ... linked contacts, app launcher icon arrangement ... i know there's something else i'm forgetting.
Apr 22 17:46:28 <ka6sox> http://www.precentral.net/webos-kernel-development-continues-overclocking-govnah
Apr 22 17:47:12 <yokken> i heart preware bootstrap
Apr 22 17:52:03 <yokken> get fucked, palm pre
Apr 22 17:52:23 <yokken> i just freshly did preware bootstrap and it was like WAH WAH WAH PACKAGE MANAGER ISN'T RUNNING
Apr 22 17:52:26 <yokken> and i was like bitch please
Apr 22 17:52:30 <yokken> "pkill ipkg"
Apr 22 17:52:32 <yokken> novaterm owns
Apr 22 17:59:08 <yokken> bbl
Apr 22 18:06:55 <sbromwich> one fix for tearing seems to be not to let the phone clock too low, so try 250MHz as min freq
Apr 22 18:17:36 <sbromwich> oilsworkn: ping?
Apr 22 18:18:51 <oilsworkn> pong
Apr 22 18:19:18 <sbromwich> oilsworkn: are you doing a busywait in govnah? it's sucking down huge amounts of cpu time
Apr 22 18:19:32 <sbromwich> (according to top, that is)
Apr 22 18:19:37 <oilsworkn> its not doing anything
Apr 22 18:19:55 <oilsworkn> im not surprised its eating it all up
Apr 22 18:19:57 <oilsworkn> lol
Apr 22 18:21:13 <sbromwich> test case: run top in a novaterm window, then start govnah, after a while lunasysmgr will start sucking down large amounts of CPU (~60% for me), stop govnah and the load drops
Apr 22 18:21:20 <sbromwich> this takes a while btw
Apr 22 18:22:06 <sbromwich> could possibly be govnah saving all data from app start, then java is thrashing around doing garbage collection?
Apr 22 18:23:02 <sbromwich> I started govnah with luna using 10%, after a screen's worth it's now holding steady around 20%
Apr 22 18:24:07 <sbromwich> found it because I forgot I had govnah running in the background and couldn't figure out why things were so slow, top was saying luna at 60-70%, killed govnah, back down to ~3%
Apr 22 18:24:34 <bpadalino|work> probably just need better javascript
Apr 22 18:24:38 <sbromwich> so that was... an hour and a half running govnah, at a guess?
Apr 22 18:24:50 <sbromwich> mmm
Apr 22 18:26:26 <Lumiere> govnah sounds like a government program to say no to me ;)
Apr 22 18:27:33 <sbromwich> 23%
Apr 22 18:27:58 <bpadalino|work> and memory usage, sbromwich ?
Apr 22 18:28:29 <sbromwich>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
Apr 22 18:28:31 <sbromwich> 16934 root      19  -1  264m  84m  16m S 22.8 35.2  36:06.09 LunaSysMgr
Apr 22 18:29:06 <bpadalino|work> does it continue to creep up, or stay the same ?
Apr 22 18:29:10 <sbromwich> I have the memory settings on the JVM doubled btw, but I don't think that'll make a huge difference for this
Apr 22 18:29:14 <sbromwich> creeps up
Apr 22 18:29:18 <sbromwich> oh, memory?
Apr 22 18:29:24 <sbromwich> haven't been watching that, good idea
Apr 22 18:30:04 <sbromwich> 16934 root      19  -1  267m  89m  16m S 24.0 37.4  36:28.90 LunaSysMgr
Apr 22 18:30:55 <bpadalino|work> the linegraph is being a little silly ..
Apr 22 18:31:20 <bpadalino|work> so i can imagine that would cause the cpu load to increase rather quickly ..
Apr 22 18:31:40 <sbromwich> 16934 root      19  -1  269m  92m  16m S 25.4 38.4  36:54.01 LunaSysMgr
Apr 22 18:32:02 <sbromwich> bpadalino|work: I think you have put your finger on the nub of the problem
Apr 22 18:32:03 <sbromwich> :-)
Apr 22 18:32:04 * oilsworkn is sure it is
Apr 22 18:32:10 <oilsworkn> every half second it reads the temp, puts it and the date into an array
Apr 22 18:32:31 <oilsworkn> that keeps building forever
Apr 22 18:32:32 <oilsworkn> lol
Apr 22 18:32:33 <ka6sox> I doubt the sensor can move that fast
Apr 22 18:32:34 <sbromwich> is the array trimmed at all?
Apr 22 18:32:36 <sbromwich> ahhhhhh
Apr 22 18:32:38 <oilsworkn> each half second it goes through the entire array
Apr 22 18:32:51 <oilsworkn> ka6sox: i have no clue
Apr 22 18:32:51 <sbromwich> 16934 root      19  -1  270m  92m  16m S 27.5 38.6  37:11.97 LunaSysMgr
Apr 22 18:32:56 <Lumiere> me thinks we have a problem there
Apr 22 18:32:59 <oilsworkn> sbromwich: no
Apr 22 18:33:17 <ka6sox> oilsworkn, the ADC clock is only 32khz
Apr 22 18:33:24 <sbromwich> this is with the phone sat idle, screen off, charging, btw
Apr 22 18:33:35 <ka6sox> so every 2 seconds would be better
Apr 22 18:33:48 <en0x> i would do every 5
Apr 22 18:33:50 <oilsworkn> ka6sox: lol, i can certainly change it
Apr 22 18:33:52 <sbromwich> 16934 root      19  -1  270m  92m  16m S 28.7 38.8  37:27.65 LunaSysMgr
Apr 22 18:34:17 <ka6sox> en0x, something greater than .5sec anyways.
Apr 22 18:34:21 <sbromwich> can you pop off the oldest value from the array in JS?
Apr 22 18:34:30 <oilsworkn> i dont see why not
Apr 22 18:34:35 <oilsworkn> lol
Apr 22 18:35:04 <sbromwich> might be the easiest fix... if (arraysize > screenwidth) { pop (arraysize) } or something
Apr 22 18:35:14 <ka6sox> 2~5 seconds would be fine.
Apr 22 18:35:17 <sbromwich> I'm sure the actual JS would be... more complex ;-)
Apr 22 18:35:19 <bpadalino|work> i am not sure the data is taking up too much space .. though i am no js expert ..
Apr 22 18:35:28 <oilsworkn> when i was working on it yesterday, it was more "get it working" > efficiency
Apr 22 18:35:32 <Lumiere> wouldn't it be easier to just mod through a fixed size array?
Apr 22 18:35:39 <Lumiere> err more efficient
Apr 22 18:35:42 <sbromwich> 16934 root      19  -1  270m  93m  16m S 29.8 38.9  37:59.25 LunaSysMgr
Apr 22 18:35:45 <bpadalino|work> i think an on-line algorithm (eg: streaming) works better since we don't get data in one chunk, and we build it up one sample at a time
Apr 22 18:35:54 <oilsworkn> lol
Apr 22 18:36:17 <bpadalino|work> then you can play games with your canvas and the last position to the new position and shift the canvas appropriately .. but that's just my naive view
Apr 22 18:36:20 <ka6sox> going to 5sec polling would reduce the dataset by 10X
Apr 22 18:36:45 <bpadalino|work> 10dB less data?!
Apr 22 18:36:45 <sbromwich> increasing the poll time would just mean it takes longer for the problem to manifest though, no?
Apr 22 18:36:53 <ka6sox> (and move the problem out to later)
Apr 22 18:37:10 <sbromwich> I think Lumiere's idea of fixed size array would be best
Apr 22 18:37:34 <sbromwich> 16934 root      19  -1  271m  93m  16m S 33.8 39.2  38:33.35 LunaSysMgr
Apr 22 18:38:07 <bpadalino|work> if you go with a fixed size array, i recommend implementing your own circular buffer instead of pushing and popping things .. statically allocated memory is so much easier to deal with
Apr 22 18:38:19 <oilsworkn_> stupid webchat disonnecting not telling me leading me to talk to myself
Apr 22 18:38:21 <sbromwich> so that's ~23% CPU usage to ~34% in ~10 minutes
Apr 22 18:38:26 <sbromwich> *grin*
Apr 22 18:38:51 <ka6sox> oilsworkn, first thing I'd do is reduce the polling frequency.
Apr 22 18:39:21 <sbromwich> or at least make polling frequency a preference
Apr 22 18:39:34 <oilsworkn_> do you nto see my nick?
Apr 22 18:39:42 <oilsworkn_> < != home
Apr 22 18:39:45 <oilsworkn_> xD
Apr 22 18:39:50 <sbromwich> bless
Apr 22 18:39:56 <ka6sox> I didn't say you needed to do it NOW...
Apr 22 18:39:58 <oilsworkn_> it can certainly be slowed / preferenced
Apr 22 18:40:05 <oilsworkn_> especially if it only changes so fast
Apr 22 18:40:23 <oilsworkn_> (after reading log) the only problem, well, not really a problem, with dropping off old values
Apr 22 18:40:32 <ka6sox> I should know how fast it responds later today.
Apr 22 18:40:38 <oilsworkn_> is then there is no old data to bring in for pinch-scaleing
Apr 22 18:40:48 <oilsworkn_> it would just be this fixed number of points
Apr 22 18:40:52 <oilsworkn_> no history, nothing
Apr 22 18:40:56 <ka6sox> sqlite db?
Apr 22 18:41:07 <oilsworkn_> could
Apr 22 18:41:14 <ka6sox> then you could only look at a subset.
Apr 22 18:41:18 <ka6sox> and keep the history.
Apr 22 18:41:31 * oilsworkn_ freaking hates sqlite databases on apps
Apr 22 18:41:38 <oilsworkn_> but it could certainly be done
Apr 22 18:41:39 <oilsworkn_> lol
Apr 22 18:41:43 <sbromwich> with an option to write db to /media/ramdisk if it's not too big and you don't want to save the data long term
Apr 22 18:41:56 <bpadalino|work> how much data are you talking ?
Apr 22 18:42:21 <ka6sox> initially about 20bytes /sample I suspect
Apr 22 18:42:24 <oilsworkn_> someone should note all these ideas / changes on the govnah wiki :)
Apr 22 18:42:33 <Lumiere> imo I'd just write out the lines to a text file
Apr 22 18:42:37 <Lumiere> to keep all data
Apr 22 18:42:44 <Lumiere> and store the last 200 entries
Apr 22 18:42:48 <oilsworkn_> too bad mojo can't write to files xD
Apr 22 18:42:49 <Lumiere> in an array
Apr 22 18:42:51 <Lumiere> yea
Apr 22 18:43:14 <sbromwich> editing wiki
Apr 22 18:43:27 <bpadalino|work> 1MB at 20bytes/sample and 2 samples/sec is still close to 7 hours before it gets filled up - isn't it ?
Apr 22 18:44:25 <bpadalino|work> i don't think the data size is the thing you should be worried about, but how you're drawing to the canvas ..
Apr 22 18:44:49 <oilsworkn_> it loops through the array, and draws little lines that connect to form one long line across the scene :)
Apr 22 18:44:51 <bpadalino|work> i don't know much about canvas, but is it similar to openGL where you have a viewport for an entire canvas ?
Apr 22 18:45:23 * Lumiere wonders if jrmuizel is going to make a gecko browser for the Pre
Apr 22 18:45:39 <bpadalino|work> can you also shift the canvas to the left by 1 unit and make a new line once the canvas gets full ?
Apr 22 18:45:39 <oilsworkn_> i wrote a little line-graph class to generate it
Apr 22 18:45:49 <oilsworkn_> bpadalino|work: i dont know
Apr 22 18:46:02 <bpadalino|work> maybe instead of work i'll look up canvas stuff
Apr 22 18:46:02 <oilsworkn_> right now its completely clearing the canvas and redrawing the entire graph
Apr 22 18:46:04 <oilsworkn_> each render
Apr 22 18:46:12 <oilsworkn_> i dont know if you can just shift it
Apr 22 18:46:14 <bpadalino|work> right - which i think is what sbromwich is seeing for cpu utilization
Apr 22 18:46:15 <oilsworkn_> didn't even think about it
Apr 22 18:46:29 <jrmuizel> Lumiere: http://www.oxymoronical.com/blog/2010/04/Firefox-running-on-the-Palm-Pre-mostly
Apr 22 18:46:31 <oilsworkn_> it would certainly be more efficient in my mind
Apr 22 18:46:38 <oilsworkn_> to shift it and draw just new data
Apr 22 18:46:43 <sbromwich> wiki edited
Apr 22 18:47:19 <oilsworkn_> then again, even if canvas supports it, you have to hope palm does in webos
Apr 22 18:47:19 <sbromwich> 16934 root      19  -1  271m  94m  16m S 38.2 39.4  41:55.45 LunaSysMgr
Apr 22 18:47:19 <oilsworkn_> cause they don't support everything
Apr 22 18:47:28 <oilsworkn_> really, they dont support most of it
Apr 22 18:48:27 <sbromwich> OK, going to kill govnah to see the diff
Apr 22 18:48:31 <sbromwich> pre:
Apr 22 18:48:37 <sbromwich> 16934 root      19  -1  273m  94m  16m S 38.1 39.6  42:34.39 LunaSysMgr
Apr 22 18:48:52 <sbromwich> post:
Apr 22 18:48:53 <sbromwich> 16934 root      19  -1  273m  92m  16m S  3.6 38.7  42:39.20 LunaSysMgr
Apr 22 18:50:58 <sbromwich> luna still holding steady at ~3%
Apr 22 18:51:08 <oilsworkn_> so what you
Apr 22 18:51:24 <oilsworkn_> ... you're* saying is, not govna's fault?
Apr 22 18:51:25 <oilsworkn_> lol
Apr 22 18:51:46 * oilsworkn_ goes to lunch
Apr 22 18:51:55 <ka6sox> Good Plan
Apr 22 18:51:58 <sbromwich> heh
Apr 22 19:21:38 <jacques> oh no. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/04/21/apple_rumored_to_buy_arm_holdings.html
Apr 22 19:22:37 <jacques> that would eventually kill ARM and help inferior tech (current intel low power) become the standard
Apr 22 19:24:25 <bpadalino|work> or we'd be doomed to run 8051's for everything!
Apr 22 19:29:55 <mikePre> just doctored my pre, the only thing I would like back, is all my old SMS messages, I have a full backup of eveyrthing, just was not sure what file(s) i need to replace
Apr 22 19:31:53 <nt4cats> mikePre: did you use the save/restore utility from webos-internals.org (available in Preware)?
Apr 22 19:33:04 <mikePre> yes I used it, but it said on the bottom that restore capabilities was not avaiable yet on messaging
Apr 22 19:33:05 <mikePre> i thought
Apr 22 19:33:21 <nt4cats> mikepre: well it is good that you used it
Apr 22 19:34:04 <bpadalino|work> it can be somewhat difficult .. you need to rebuild it up in the database
Apr 22 19:34:25 <nt4cats> mikePre: I believe that TXTs are stored in sqlitle
Apr 22 19:34:34 <nt4cats> s/sqitle/sqlite/
Apr 22 19:35:10 <mikePre> is it stored in a sqllite DB? i have a backup of /var/palm/data
Apr 22 19:35:22 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: confirmed ... you want python-devel
Apr 22 19:35:28 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: http://www.pygame.org/wiki/CompileUbuntu?parent=Compilation
Apr 22 19:35:47 <bpadalino|work> mikePre: indeed it is
Apr 22 19:36:06 <bpadalino|work> some quick google searches will show which table and whatnot to look at
Apr 22 19:36:18 <bpadalino|work> but i don't know i anyone has ever restored their text messages 100% reliably and fully
Apr 22 19:36:48 <nt4cats> mikePre: ... and be careful because if you hose your sqlite db you and your Pre will both be sad
Apr 22 19:37:05 <bpadalino|work> very very sad :(
Apr 22 19:37:07 <nt4cats> (I wish I had better news or could be more helpful there)
Apr 22 19:38:04 <mikePre> well i just doctored 10 minutes ago, worst that can happen is I do it one more time, just miss all the history from other conversations...
Apr 22 19:39:59 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: yeah I'll add it to my list, heh
Apr 22 19:40:08 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: you play with my app yet :D
Apr 22 19:40:35 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: I have python and python-devel on my list
Apr 22 19:40:47 <nt4cats> ... just confirming that's what you need to get pygame et. al. going
Apr 22 19:41:08 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: "my app" == "precorder" >
Apr 22 19:41:09 <nt4cats> ?
Apr 22 19:41:24 <zsoc_wirc> ya
Apr 22 19:42:13 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: in the 1.3.x days, yes.  I saw it pop up in Preware a bit ago, and I wasn't exactly sure what it offered that the native video didn't.  I guess I should go read about it.
Apr 22 19:43:37 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: you haven't seen my ramble on about it in here for weeks? lol. it's not a video recorder. name is changing
Apr 22 19:43:39 <nt4cats> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Precorder   <---- out of date
Apr 22 19:44:43 <nt4cats> "records audio from the microphone and from the internal media stream"
Apr 22 19:44:52 <nt4cats> that's not a video recorder!
Apr 22 19:44:58 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: yes the wiki is terribly wrong lol
Apr 22 19:45:07 <nt4cats> (and this explains why people were asking you about recording phone calls)
Apr 22 19:45:13 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: I was using it today to make ringtones from youtube clips :D
Apr 22 19:45:18 <zsoc_wirc> xD
Apr 22 19:45:50 * nt4cats imagines zsoc holding his pre's microphone up to his computer speakers to record YouTube clips
Apr 22 19:47:29 <nt4cats> We need to start behaving now, there's a Palm employee here.  Everyone sit up straight and tuck in your shirts, etc.
Apr 22 19:47:51 <sbromwich> nt4cats: don't forget to tell people to put on pants as well.
Apr 22 19:48:08 <sbromwich> the devil is in the details, after all.
Apr 22 19:48:16 <zsoc_wirc> it's not a palm employe
Apr 22 19:48:22 <zsoc_wirc> it's Adora
Apr 22 19:48:27 <bpadalino|work> zing!
Apr 22 19:48:31 <sbromwich> uhhh... "it"?
Apr 22 19:48:35 <zsoc_wirc> she gets paid to deal with us ;)
Apr 22 19:48:38 <Adora> damn lies
Apr 22 19:48:52 <sbromwich> heh
Apr 22 19:48:55 <nt4cats> sbromwich: I understand that their current H.R. policy allows for "no pants Thursdays"
Apr 22 19:49:07 <sbromwich> nt4cats: then I'm safe.
Apr 22 19:49:12 <Adora> nt4cats: and nobody told me??
Apr 22 19:49:14 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: 'media capture' is a fancy phrase for 'records what/'s coming out of the speaker'
Apr 22 19:49:23 * Adora storms off swearing
Apr 22 19:49:54 * sbromwich is glad he doesn't have to change out of his nice floral skirt in this lovely sunny weather.
Apr 22 19:49:57 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: I didn't really think you were holding your Pre up to your PC speakers, you know.
Apr 22 19:50:14 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: I am very bad at you.
Apr 22 19:51:10 <zsoc_wirc> you also seem to take advantage of my naivety :p
Apr 22 19:51:18 <sbromwich> bless
Apr 22 19:51:39 <zsoc_wirc> sbromwich: shut up you, uber kernel broke my cookies;)
Apr 22 19:51:56 <nt4cats> I'm going to catch a train home, I'll sign on once the train is above ground in about 25 minutes -- see y'all in a bit
Apr 22 19:52:06 <nt4cats> I'm going to play armv7 Python on the train today ...
Apr 22 19:52:28 <sbromwich> zsoc_wirc: blame caj for that, mine is deathstar and if you run something called deathstar... ;-)
Apr 22 19:52:33 <oil> so no docs to go for webos
Apr 22 19:52:37 <oil> thats gay
Apr 22 19:52:42 <zsoc_wirc> hahaha
Apr 22 19:52:44 <sbromwich> openoffice ftw
Apr 22 19:52:50 <oil> not really
Apr 22 19:52:53 <bpadalino|work> oil, they dropped out or something ?
Apr 22 19:53:06 <oil> precentral.net has a story up about it being "at a standstill"
Apr 22 19:53:33 <bpadalino|work> ah
Apr 22 19:53:55 <zsoc_wirc> I wonder if I can convince shazam to buy a license for my api and then they can keep their app closed source
Apr 22 19:54:16 * oil hopes someone else makes document editing for pre
Apr 22 19:54:21 <oil> via plugin
Apr 22 19:54:44 <zsoc_wirc> oil: internalz has a text editor now, v1.0
Apr 22 19:54:52 <oil> well, text editor, lol
Apr 22 19:54:59 <sbromwich> oil: vi
Apr 22 19:55:28 <oil> not really the same thing
Apr 22 19:56:17 <sbromwich> it is if you run strings over the doc first
Apr 22 19:56:33 <zsoc_wirc> oil: x is a decent implementation
Apr 22 19:56:53 * oil wants built for webos with the webos "feel" :)
Apr 22 19:56:55 * bpadalino|work sighs
Apr 22 19:58:48 * sbromwich wants dancing girls and beer, but is similarly unlikely to get his wants fulfilled
Apr 22 20:01:39 <sethron> zsoc_wirc: did you get precorder to behave, i.e. not freeze the Pre on restart/reboot?
Apr 22 20:01:58 <caj2008> SBromowich: you there
Apr 22 20:03:24 <caj2008> SBromowich: Contact me when you are available by PM or email (have important info)
Apr 22 20:03:56 <sbromwich> mmm?
Apr 22 20:04:03 <bpadalino|work> it's serious business
Apr 22 20:04:08 <FuMan> the internet.
Apr 22 20:04:17 <oil> cue seriouscat pic
Apr 22 20:04:25 <FuMan> 3 hit combo
Apr 22 20:04:26 <FuMan> well done.
Apr 22 20:04:26 <DrFunk> sup oil
Apr 22 20:04:36 <sbromwich> what's up, caj2008?
Apr 22 20:04:37 <FuMan> http://www.freshbytes.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/internet-serious-business-cat.jpg
Apr 22 20:04:51 <oil> there we go
Apr 22 20:05:11 <caj2008> SBromwich: having issues with irc today, could we talk on gtalk?
Apr 22 20:05:21 <caj2008> keeeps on freezing
Apr 22 20:05:31 <DrFunk> oil: you miss me ?
Apr 22 20:05:36 <oil> no?
Apr 22 20:05:38 <DrFunk> lmao
Apr 22 20:05:40 * oil goes back to work
Apr 22 20:05:41 <sbromwich> I don't have gtalk, I'm afraid
Apr 22 20:05:45 <oil> :)
Apr 22 20:05:55 <DrFunk> how you doing
Apr 22 20:05:57 <bpadalino|work> irc is the only way to go
Apr 22 20:05:57 <sbromwich> I had an ICQ account once but I suspect it's long dead by now
Apr 22 20:06:18 <caj2008> I will send you a phone number by PM then.
Apr 22 20:06:26 <caj2008> Importnat stuff
Apr 22 20:06:28 <DrFunk> icq used to be the shit for *nix users
Apr 22 20:06:32 <FuMan> hrm
Apr 22 20:06:39 <bpadalino|work> surprisingly enough, i don't like talking on my phone
Apr 22 20:06:42 <caj2008> My IRC connections sucks today
Apr 22 20:06:43 * FuMan feels a craiglist style date rape getting setup
Apr 22 20:06:44 <sbromwich> caj, whatever it is, just say it
Apr 22 20:06:59 <sethron> FuMan: lol
Apr 22 20:07:00 <sbromwich> I don't do instant messaging, and I don't do phone
Apr 22 20:07:01 <caj2008> cant.'xmsn iIRC issue
Apr 22 20:07:20 <FuMan> sbromwich, you still not have buttons on your volume?
Apr 22 20:07:21 <DrFunk> sbromwich: you ok ?
Apr 22 20:07:31 <caj2008> computer issue here
Apr 22 20:07:41 <sbromwich> caj: http://java.freenode.net/
Apr 22 20:07:41 <caj2008> any other solutions
Apr 22 20:07:57 <DrFunk> caj2008: what's wrong ?
Apr 22 20:08:05 <sbromwich> FuMan: No, my doctor doubled my meds today to see if that helps
Apr 22 20:08:05 <bpadalino|work> it's amusing that in all the complaining of how terrible the irc connection is, i have a feeling the serious stuff could have been conveyed
Apr 22 20:08:24 <bpadalino|work> or at least shannon would think so
Apr 22 20:08:29 <FuMan> sbromwich: good
Apr 22 20:08:36 <DrFunk> sup bpadalino|work
Apr 22 20:08:41 <DrFunk> hows things
Apr 22 20:08:43 <FuMan> when you add your drinking and your microswitch tendencies
Apr 22 20:08:47 <sbromwich> sorry, DrFunk, FuMan I still have the volume buttons on my phone ripped off
Apr 22 20:08:47 <FuMan> to your kernel hacking knowledge
Apr 22 20:08:54 <FuMan> you make for one super scary dude
Apr 22 20:09:04 <FuMan> aaah, scaryness reconfirmed
Apr 22 20:09:11 <sbromwich> heh
Apr 22 20:09:12 <FuMan> i
Apr 22 20:09:16 <FuMan> scariness rather
Apr 22 20:09:29 <sbromwich> what do I need volume for? everyone knows not to call me unless it's an emergency
Apr 22 20:09:39 <DrFunk> shit I got to go
Apr 22 20:09:54 <FuMan> sbromwich, fair enough
Apr 22 20:10:41 <oil> what if the emergency is simply that there is not enough cowbell?
Apr 22 20:10:56 <sbromwich> cowbell is NMP
Apr 22 20:11:04 <sbromwich> junior admin can handle that
Apr 22 20:11:27 <sbromwich> FuMan: http://catb.org/jargon/html/communication_style.html
Apr 22 20:13:14 <FuMan> :P
Apr 22 20:15:59 <nt4cats> (suitable version of sqlite3 on the Pre for the python pysqlite2 module -- check)
Apr 22 20:16:25 <caj2008_> Sbromwhich: Ima on java channel
Apr 22 20:16:37 <zinge> I'm trying to use the installed package list to restore my apps, but its getting stuck on one. Any way to skip/remove an app from the list?
Apr 22 20:17:32 <zinge> Or does anyone know why the app won't install? Block Breaker Lite. If I go to  the app catalog link, (on my phone) I get "This application cannot run on your current operating system. Use the Updates app to install the system update and try again."
Apr 22 20:18:11 <sbromwich> caj2008_: ok, what's up?
Apr 22 20:18:20 <zinge> The first time I got that I realized I had used the 1.4 doctor instead of 1.4.1, so I ran the update app and updated. My device info shows 1.4.1.1, but the app still gives the same error.
Apr 22 20:18:28 <zinge> Like it doesn't recognize that the update has happened.
Apr 22 20:18:56 <caj2008_> This page doent work...fragmented today.  Lets talk on channel you just gave me...that seems to work
Apr 22 20:19:49 <sbromwich> ok
Apr 22 20:22:13 <sbromwich> is the java irc client hung or something, caj2008_?
Apr 22 20:22:27 <caj2008_> I left you a message didnt you get it?
Apr 22 20:22:39 <caj2008_> on java channel
Apr 22 20:22:46 <sbromwich> nup
Apr 22 20:23:26 <caj2008_> I will send SBromwich: are you there on that channel so you can find me caj20089
Apr 22 20:23:44 <sbromwich> uhhh... I'm right here... can you not see me?
Apr 22 20:23:46 * sbromwich waves
Apr 22 20:24:43 <bpadalino|work> boy this is so silly
Apr 22 20:24:49 * sbromwich wonders if his ISP is playing silly buggers again
Apr 22 20:25:31 <caj2008_> That channel you gave me is working...this irc channel is going bonkers on my PC today
Apr 22 20:25:47 <caj2008_> Can we talk by PM on PC
Apr 22 20:26:04 <bpadalino|work> they must have had a fight last night .. and are still at odds with each other (your PC and this irc channel)
Apr 22 20:26:29 <sbromwich> sure, just msg me, caj2008_
Apr 22 20:26:31 <caj2008_> no way Steve and I are helping each other
Apr 22 20:26:47 <caj2008_> bpaladino that was mean
Apr 22 20:27:04 <bpadalino|work> :(
Apr 22 20:27:07 <sbromwich> bpadalino|work is just joshing
Apr 22 20:27:26 <bpadalino|work> brb, the jerkstore is calling me
Apr 22 20:27:29 <caj2008_> Steve and I have done nothing but work with each other how can you make up stuf  like that
Apr 22 20:27:57 <zinge> Does anyone know why the app catalog won't recognize that I have the latest firmware and why the updates aoo says there are application updates even though none show up in the catalog when I click the link?
Apr 22 20:28:31 <zsoc_wirc> sethron: yes it's fixed
Apr 22 20:28:46 <yokken> oh hey guise
Apr 22 20:28:50 <sbromwich> caj2008_: is it about the PLL patch from TI for the latest kernel?
Apr 22 20:28:53 <zinge> I jst doctor'd my phone to 1.4.0 and then ran the update app to 1.4.1.1
Apr 22 20:29:06 <sbromwich> I'm working on seeing if I can backport/xlate that across
Apr 22 20:29:06 <yokken> does anyone know the command to change clock speed with uber-kernel installed?
Apr 22 20:29:14 <bpadalino|work> pop it, drop it, then phase lock it
Apr 22 20:29:22 <sethron> zsoc_wirc: -v 0.5.3?
Apr 22 20:29:58 <sbromwich> bpadalino|work: I was thinking more along the lines to duct taping it low but whatever floats your boat
Apr 22 20:30:35 <bpadalino|work> phase-locked loops really get me all wound up ..
Apr 22 20:30:59 <zsoc_wirc> sethron: yes
Apr 22 20:31:10 <sbromwich> bpadalino|work: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg19285.html
Apr 22 20:31:13 <yokken> how do you change the clock speed via command line :(
Apr 22 20:31:19 <sbromwich> nice find by ka6sox.
Apr 22 20:31:36 <bpadalino|work> oh very nice
Apr 22 20:31:46 <sbromwich> yokken: look in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq
Apr 22 20:32:01 <yokken> D:
Apr 22 20:32:13 <zsoc_wirc> oilsworkn: TIME THIEF!
Apr 22 20:32:24 * oilsworkn is being paid right now :)
Apr 22 20:32:30 <sbromwich> if only TI and palm used the same names for the clocks... ;-)
Apr 22 20:32:31 <yokken> holy ballsack so many files
Apr 22 20:32:33 * nt4cats throws a nickel at oil
Apr 22 20:32:44 <bpadalino|work> looks like a bunch of deletions to writing to certain registers
Apr 22 20:32:47 <zsoc_wirc> god I hate nickels
Apr 22 20:32:54 <zsoc_wirc> worst coin ever
Apr 22 20:33:03 <bpadalino|work> ah, just gotta map the pointers then ?
Apr 22 20:33:08 <oilsworkn> no, the penny is
Apr 22 20:33:09 <sbromwich> yokken: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/cpu-freq/governors.txt
Apr 22 20:33:19 <sbromwich> bpadalino|work: that's about the size of it
Apr 22 20:33:20 <yokken> :)
Apr 22 20:33:38 <sbromwich> I have a reasonably good idea but I think it's going to involve a few battery pulls before I nail it
Apr 22 20:33:53 * nt4cats cranked his Pre's cpu down to 1Hz, now I have really long battery life
Apr 22 20:34:06 <yokken> lol 1Hz
Apr 22 20:34:10 <bpadalino|work> sbromwich: sounds easy peasy
Apr 22 20:34:39 <bpadalino|work> i think the way the flops work in the chip, there is an f_min as well as an f_max
Apr 22 20:34:47 <sbromwich> nt4cats: dell used to let you clock all the way down to 4.77MHz, friend of mine flew the whole way from the UK to Utah on 1 battery charge with that
Apr 22 20:35:03 <yokken> hahahahahaha
Apr 22 20:35:24 <nt4cats> sbromwich: I think the original IBM PC's 8088 was at 4.77MHz
Apr 22 20:35:37 <sbromwich> nt4cats: exactly, that was why dell had it as min
Apr 22 20:35:47 <sbromwich> this was... I think a PII 200?
Apr 22 20:35:58 <yokken> yeah i still have no idea how to change the frequency :(
Apr 22 20:36:35 <zsoc_wirc> 4.7is also a popular resistor value
Apr 22 20:36:51 <zsoc_wirc> er, 4.7Ω
Apr 22 20:36:54 <nt4cats> yokken: if that information doesn't make sense to you, you may not be the best candidate to run early-alpha pre-release may-kill-your-phone-and-your-neighbors software
Apr 22 20:37:03 <yokken> i know enough
Apr 22 20:37:11 <yokken> but that guide doesn't lay it out enough
Apr 22 20:37:14 * zsoc_wirc covers his mouth
Apr 22 20:37:37 * nt4cats throws a nickel at zsoc_wirc's covered mouth
Apr 22 20:37:40 <yokken> 1. bogomips mean nothing to me, it's basically in 10Hz segments
Apr 22 20:37:48 <yokken> so 800,000 bogomips is 800mhz
Apr 22 20:37:56 <sbromwich> yokken: http://tinyurl.com/zdcjrh
Apr 22 20:37:56 <yokken> wait, 100hz segments
Apr 22 20:42:37 <yokken> so sbromwich
Apr 22 20:42:40 <yokken> i went there
Apr 22 20:42:45 <yokken> and none of the commands available work on the pre
Apr 22 20:42:59 <yokken> cpufreq-selector is not a binary available
Apr 22 20:43:29 * nt4cats typed in an assembly-code bubble sort on his original IBM PC from a listing in PC World (who remembers typing in programs listed in magazines???) -- I rememer being amazed at how fast it was ... all 4.77MHz of it.
Apr 22 20:43:49 <yokken> i hate bubble sort :(
Apr 22 20:43:53 <oilsworkn> lol
Apr 22 20:43:56 <yokken> i'm learning all that logic shit right now in college
Apr 22 20:43:58 <yokken> it BLOWS
Apr 22 20:44:24 <sbromwich> bubble sort is easy
Apr 22 20:44:28 <yokken> QUICK SORT MERGE SORT BUBBLE SORT COCKTAIL SORT
Apr 22 20:44:35 <sbromwich> fastest implementation time for small data sets
Apr 22 20:44:42 <nt4cats> yokken: all of that "logic shit" pays for my mortgage ... and helps me to try and participate in this community.
Apr 22 20:44:48 <swisstomcat> i remember typing in programs in magazines
Apr 22 20:44:49 <sbromwich> nt4cats++
Apr 22 20:44:50 <sethron> zsoc_wirc: tyvm
Apr 22 20:44:51 <yokken> what do you do
Apr 22 20:44:53 <Marajin_> mmm bogomips
Apr 22 20:45:37 <zsoc_wirc> he plays numbers
Apr 22 20:45:49 <sbromwich> quick sort sucks if you're on a processor without enough stack available
Apr 22 20:45:56 <sbromwich> merge sort is inefficient
Apr 22 20:45:59 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: what you guys do is hard to do by hand, automating it seems imposible to me D:
Apr 22 20:47:23 <zsoc_wirc> sethron: np
Apr 22 20:47:25 <nt4cats> handle a few billion auctions a day, process hundreds of gigabytes of logs to correlate events that happen somewhere between miliseconds apart and days apart, it's all easy.  There is a lot of logic shit involved, however.
Apr 22 20:48:46 <sbromwich> and computer shit too, I would hazard
Apr 22 20:49:19 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: this has been a good train trip -- I just learned quite a bit about building python on multiple platforms.
Apr 22 20:49:26 <zsoc_wirc> no computes, just python ;)
Apr 22 20:49:39 <nt4cats> hopefully I can look at this more tonight, if not then on my ride in tomorrow morning for sure
Apr 22 20:49:54 <zsoc_wirc> :D
Apr 22 20:49:58 <oilsworkn> you write your code on a sticky note, and stick it to the pythons back?
Apr 22 20:50:56 <sethron> zsoc_wirc: out of curiosity, where was the glitch that caused the freeze?
Apr 22 20:52:21 <zsoc_wirc> sethron: what I expected. you can't use upstart to exec a binary in the cryptofs
Apr 22 20:53:06 <bpadalino|work> insertion sort isn't too bad when you are on-line and don't have all your data at once
Apr 22 20:53:08 <sethron> zsoc_wirc: will you direct me to where that is in git?
Apr 22 20:53:45 * nt4cats 's train is arriving ... will be online later during the baseball game
Apr 22 20:53:53 <zsoc_wirc> sethron: uh... somewhere between the commit marked 0.5.2 and the one marked 0.5.3?
Apr 22 20:54:01 <zsoc_wirc> I'm on mobile right now. not sure
Apr 22 20:54:44 <zsoc_wirc> s/marked/tagged/
Apr 22 20:55:39 <sethron> zsoc_wirc: where in the tree, what file? control/postinst or  prerm  ?
Apr 22 20:57:11 <sethron> zsoc_wirc: anyhoo, good stuff, thanks again
Apr 22 20:59:25 <sbromwich> 3 revs of the pre hardware on the market? am I reading this right?
Apr 22 21:00:00 <sbromwich> no... 4 revs?
Apr 22 21:01:26 <bpadalino|work> [pre, pre plus] [cdma, gsm] .. that would make 4 right there ..
Apr 22 21:01:48 <bpadalino|work> plus any tweaks to get rid of any green wires or production modifications ..
Apr 22 21:01:51 <bpadalino|work> probably more than 4
Apr 22 21:02:01 <sbromwich> mason~/build/hardware/uber-kernel-pre/build/src-1.4.1-6/linux-2.6.24/arch/arm/mach-omap3pe$ grep sil_rev_ * | tr \(\) '\n' | grep OMAP | sort | uniq
Apr 22 21:02:02 <sbromwich> OMAP3430_REV_ES1_0
Apr 22 21:02:04 <sbromwich> OMAP3430_REV_ES2_0
Apr 22 21:02:06 <sbromwich> OMAP3430_REV_ES2_1
Apr 22 21:02:08 <sbromwich> OMAP3430_REV_ES3_0
Apr 22 21:02:13 <sbromwich> unless it's different revs of the CPU
Apr 22 21:02:22 <bpadalino|work> oh, you just mean of the CPU silicon
Apr 22 21:02:24 <sbromwich> but your numbers certainly add up...
Apr 22 21:02:30 <sbromwich> I'm not sure.
Apr 22 21:02:37 <sbromwich> this code is doing my head in.
Apr 22 21:02:45 <bpadalino|work> heh
Apr 22 21:05:19 <sbromwich> christ, I'm been trying to figure out if I've been hearing things for the last 3 weeks... it's harmonics off my new wireless mouse.
Apr 22 21:05:21 <sbromwich> *sigh*
Apr 22 21:18:47 <Mousey> hi
Apr 22 21:18:57 <Mousey> anybody tried getting Dwarf Fortress on WebOS yet?
Apr 22 21:21:12 <bpadalino|work> i can only speak for myself when i say: no
Apr 22 21:21:28 * oilsworkn neither
Apr 22 21:22:23 * sbromwich has never even heard of it
Apr 22 21:22:40 * sbromwich doesn't get out much.
Apr 22 21:23:10 <sethron> stellarium would be so awesome on the Pre
Apr 22 21:23:37 * sbromwich really doesn't get out much.
Apr 22 21:23:58 <sbromwich> "would you like to play a game?"
Apr 22 21:24:06 <sbromwich> no, bugger off, I'm trying to destroy the world
Apr 22 21:32:42 <rwhitby> morning
Apr 22 21:32:47 <beelzabub1> morning
Apr 22 21:32:53 <halfhalo_T400> murnin
Apr 22 21:33:03 <oilsworkn> afternoon
Apr 22 21:54:41 <sbromwich> rwhitby: I think I'm about ready to submit my changes upstream to go in the uber kernel
Apr 22 21:55:12 <rwhitby> sbromwich: drop them in the patches repo, it's a separate step to include them in the kernel, so we can build a test kernel first
Apr 22 21:55:22 <sbromwich> if I just do a diff -BuN against the 2 files and create 2 different patches is that OK?
Apr 22 21:55:31 <rwhitby> yep
Apr 22 21:55:38 * sbromwich has had his head done in today reading forward ported code & is lazy
Apr 22 21:55:39 <sbromwich> okies
Apr 22 21:55:50 <rwhitby> and putting them in the patches repo allows other groups to test and incorporate them too
Apr 22 21:55:57 <sbromwich> *nod*
Apr 22 21:56:09 <sbromwich> does the uber kernel automatically get built with new patches for people to try?
Apr 22 21:56:16 <sbromwich> or is there still a by-hand process?
Apr 22 21:59:28 <rwhitby> sbromwich: the uber-kernel gets built from the Makefile which references the list of patches and git tag
Apr 22 22:00:02 <rwhitby> even if patches in the existing list of included patches are updated, a new git tag needs to be pushed and referenced in the Makefile before it is autobuilt
Apr 22 22:00:39 <rwhitby> so it's perfectly safe to add new patches to the repo, and even update existing ones, since the autobuilder always uses the tagged versions, not HEAD
Apr 22 22:00:45 * sbromwich is a little on the slow side today, step by step commands?
Apr 22 22:00:48 <sbromwich> oh sweet
Apr 22 22:01:20 <rwhitby> it's even safe to add a new tag at any time, cause it still needs to be updated in the build Makefile to tell the autobuilder to build it
Apr 22 22:01:45 <sbromwich> so I dump my patches in /home/sbromwich/build/hardware/uber-kernel-pre/build/patches and git add file.diff && git commit "helo nurse" file.diff and... that's it?
Apr 22 22:01:53 <rwhitby> sbromwich: no
Apr 22 22:02:03 <sbromwich> I might have guessed ;-)
Apr 22 22:02:07 <sbromwich> once more for the hard of thinking?
Apr 22 22:02:09 <bhuey> good work on the kernels btw
Apr 22 22:02:13 <rwhitby> dump the patches in kernels/patches.git/<newdir>
Apr 22 22:02:22 <bhuey> glad folks are working that stuff
Apr 22 22:02:24 <rwhitby> (you may need to clone that first)
Apr 22 22:02:42 <bhuey> I talked to Con and he said that bfs is going to be hard to port to that kernel since it's so old
Apr 22 22:02:43 <sbromwich> ~/build/kernels or ~/kernels?
Apr 22 22:02:52 <rwhitby> sbromwich: then add a new tag on that, then you can reference the new files and new tag in the build Makefile
Apr 22 22:02:57 <sbromwich> bhuey: bum :-(
Apr 22 22:03:20 <rwhitby> sbromwich: ~/kernels/patches, git cloned from git@git.webos-internals.org:kernels/patches.git
Apr 22 22:03:46 <sbromwich> rwhitby: okies, thanks for walking me along here :-)
Apr 22 22:03:49 <rwhitby> bhuey: I believe Palm is looking at updating to a more recent version for better omap support
Apr 22 22:03:52 <bhuey> sbromwich: the pre needs to be moved to a newer kernel for this to drop in
Apr 22 22:04:11 <sbromwich> maybe that's going to be a special present for us all at dev day
Apr 22 22:04:13 <rwhitby> sbromwich: no worries - it's a two step process so that we can do local and testing feed builds in the middle
Apr 22 22:04:15 <bhuey> rwhitby: yeah, I've looked at the code myself and it was pretty horrible what apparently TI and company did
Apr 22 22:05:10 <rwhitby> caj2008: congrats on the Super PreKernel video and release.
Apr 22 22:05:55 <rwhitby> I wish we could get someone to do a video like Jason's new Internalz video for Preware.
Apr 22 22:05:57 <sbromwich> rwhitby: do I need an ssh key auth by someone for the git clone? I'm getting "Permission denied (publickey)."
Apr 22 22:06:22 <sbromwich> rwhitby: I've got a media friend at haligonia.ca who's looking for content, I said I'd do a Pre demo for him some time next week
Apr 22 22:06:48 <rwhitby> sbromwich: I have your key that ends in MVu3Pzz6UAk=
Apr 22 22:07:07 * oilsworkn has two pres now, can use one to video the other using preware xD
Apr 22 22:07:16 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: awesome
Apr 22 22:07:17 <sbromwich> ohhhhh... ffs.
Apr 22 22:07:19 <oilsworkn> haha
Apr 22 22:07:20 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: i had that same thought :D
Apr 22 22:07:22 * sbromwich is not thinking
Apr 22 22:07:34 <oilsworkn> but they did it in emulator
Apr 22 22:07:35 <sbromwich> let me gen a key on mason.
Apr 22 22:07:44 <oilsworkn> which is always good for videos
Apr 22 22:07:55 <oilsworkn> clean shots
Apr 22 22:08:00 <oilsworkn> and faster then device
Apr 22 22:08:00 <PuffTheMagic> imagine a circular chain of pres recording other pres
Apr 22 22:08:01 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Apr 22 22:08:11 * oilsworkn thinks we need to do it
Apr 22 22:08:19 <PuffTheMagic> that would be a sweet video
Apr 22 22:08:34 <oilsworkn> a pre recording a pre playing a video of a pre recording a pre playing a video of a pre..... etc...
Apr 22 22:08:48 <oilsworkn> lol
Apr 22 22:08:48 <PuffTheMagic> not playing a video
Apr 22 22:08:52 <PuffTheMagic> just live recording
Apr 22 22:09:04 <oilsworkn> lol
Apr 22 22:09:10 <PuffTheMagic> essentially the preview screen up
Apr 22 22:09:12 <sbromwich> rwhitby: I just put my new mason:~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub in /tmp, are you able to pull it over directly and add?
Apr 22 22:09:14 <PuffTheMagic> dont even have to record
Apr 22 22:09:27 <oilsworkn> except with the last one
Apr 22 22:09:36 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: why
Apr 22 22:09:42 <oilsworkn> so someone else can see it
Apr 22 22:09:46 <oilsworkn> on the internets
Apr 22 22:09:50 <PuffTheMagic> they could stop at some point
Apr 22 22:09:53 <PuffTheMagic> and the save to file :D
Apr 22 22:10:57 <oilsworkn> definately gotta do demonstration videos on the emu though
Apr 22 22:11:36 * oilsworkn blows puffs mind:
Apr 22 22:11:49 <rwhitby> sbromwich: can you email it to me?
Apr 22 22:11:49 <oilsworkn> i compiled the govnah service and put it on my dev pre
Apr 22 22:11:54 <oilsworkn> to develop on :)
Apr 22 22:12:10 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: you're compiling!  awesome!
Apr 22 22:12:12 * PuffTheMagic 's brain blows up
Apr 22 22:12:15 <oilsworkn> lol
Apr 22 22:12:36 <sbromwich> rwhitby: sure
Apr 22 22:12:40 <rwhitby> I think it's only fair that oil is compiling if I'm writing mojo.
Apr 22 22:12:42 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: so u typed 'make' congrats :D
Apr 22 22:12:49 <oilsworkn> hey
Apr 22 22:12:52 <oilsworkn> it was "make package"
Apr 22 22:12:52 <oilsworkn> xD
Apr 22 22:13:06 <oilsworkn> lol
Apr 22 22:13:22 <oilsworkn> gotta get wircd into the autobuilder thing
Apr 22 22:13:29 <oilsworkn> it does the emu binary, too
Apr 22 22:14:22 <PuffTheMagic> yeah....
Apr 22 22:14:27 <PuffTheMagic> i would have to ... uh
Apr 22 22:14:30 <PuffTheMagic> use sb2
Apr 22 22:15:29 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: no, the build.git setup doesn't use sb2
Apr 22 22:15:36 <oilsworkn> look at that!
Apr 22 22:15:37 <sbromwich> rwhitby: on its way
Apr 22 22:15:47 <sbromwich> would have been quicker but I seem to have too many keys on my keyboard.
Apr 22 22:16:37 * oilsworkn had a mental image of door-keys laying over the keyboard making it impossible to type
Apr 22 22:17:16 <PuffTheMagic> definately not window-keys
Apr 22 22:17:22 <rwhitby> sbromwich: added
Apr 22 22:17:24 <sbromwich> no, the only wireless split keyboard I could find was one of those sodding media keyboards
Apr 22 22:17:31 <sbromwich> rwhitby: danke :-)
Apr 22 22:18:06 * oilsworkn uses the volume knob on his kb quite often
Apr 22 22:18:11 <oilsworkn> oh, and the play/pause/stop
Apr 22 22:18:19 <oilsworkn> i re-mapped the other crappy buttons
Apr 22 22:18:26 <oilsworkn> to thins like calc, and notepad
Apr 22 22:18:27 <oilsworkn> haha
Apr 22 22:18:42 <oilsworkn> the "shopping" button brings up calc
Apr 22 22:19:03 <PuffTheMagic> i can never remember what i bind those to
Apr 22 22:19:06 <PuffTheMagic> when i actually do it
Apr 22 22:19:11 <PuffTheMagic> so i just dont bother any more
Apr 22 22:19:18 <oilsworkn> really i only use the calc one
Apr 22 22:19:22 <oilsworkn> and the music ones
Apr 22 22:19:36 <PuffTheMagic> i use the vol and brightness ones
Apr 22 22:19:40 <PuffTheMagic> fn+up/down
Apr 22 22:19:44 <PuffTheMagic> or fn+left/right
Apr 22 22:19:49 <rwhitby> bpadalino|work: loved the Shannon reference earlier
Apr 22 22:19:50 <PuffTheMagic> but not the other special keys
Apr 22 22:19:58 <PuffTheMagic> like the "e" key on my acer
Apr 22 22:19:59 <oilsworkn> yeah
Apr 22 22:20:00 * sbromwich is probably going to have the back off once the warranty is expired and have at the chiclets with an exacto knife
Apr 22 22:20:01 <PuffTheMagic> or the mail key
Apr 22 22:20:05 <PuffTheMagic> www keyboards
Apr 22 22:20:06 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Apr 22 22:20:08 <oilsworkn> mail key lol
Apr 22 22:20:12 <oilsworkn> yeah, i dont use that crap
Apr 22 22:20:26 <oilsworkn> im sure people do
Apr 22 22:20:35 <oilsworkn> or they wouldn't be making as many keyboards with them
Apr 22 22:20:49 <oilsworkn> "grandma, just press the mail button":
Apr 22 22:21:15 <webf> ^hey, how else was i supposed to teach her? :P
Apr 22 22:21:19 <sbromwich> "try not to hit the 'go to sleep' button"
Apr 22 22:21:41 <oilsworkn> the little crescent moon button is for when you're done
Apr 22 22:21:53 * oilsworkn deals with crap like that at work sometimes
Apr 22 22:21:59 <oilsworkn> "the internets slow"
Apr 22 22:21:59 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: actually, I've looked at icon locations, and it should be pretty easy to do in save/restore
Apr 22 22:22:12 <oilsworkn> look at his computer
Apr 22 22:22:20 <oilsworkn> he's got like 30 "homepages"
Apr 22 22:22:24 <oilsworkn> that open up when he launches ie
Apr 22 22:22:30 <oilsworkn> well no shits its slow
Apr 22 22:23:14 <oilsworkn> it launches 30 tabs every time he hits the blue e internet icon
Apr 22 22:23:14 <oilsworkn> lol
Apr 22 22:23:55 <oilsworkn> rwhitby: the way the data is stored is weird though
Apr 22 22:24:09 <oilsworkn> especially if you didn't have all the apps installed when you restore, etc
Apr 22 22:24:26 <oilsworkn> it would be tricky
Apr 22 22:24:37 <oilsworkn> certainly more complicated then all the 5 line scripts the rest of them have
Apr 22 22:24:41 <oilsworkn> haha
Apr 22 22:30:31 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: yeah
Apr 22 22:31:28 <sbromwich> rwhitby: git tag -a ~/kernels/patches/prcm/* ?
Apr 22 22:31:59 * sbromwich is trying not to make quite such a mess of things this time :-)
Apr 22 22:32:03 <rwhitby> sbromwich: git tag -a -m "what it does" v1.4.1-N (where N is the next number)
Apr 22 22:32:09 <rwhitby> sbromwich: use git tag -l to see existing tags
Apr 22 22:32:16 <sbromwich> ok, ta
Apr 22 22:32:30 <rwhitby> then "git push ; git push --tags"
Apr 22 22:33:32 <sbromwich> stupid question: N is decimal?
Apr 22 22:34:08 <rwhitby> yep
Apr 22 22:34:23 <rwhitby> monotonically increasing integer
Apr 22 22:34:38 <oilsworkn> N isn't starwars reference string?
Apr 22 22:34:56 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: that can go in the comment if desired :)
Apr 22 22:35:20 <rwhitby> -m "what it does, and which star wars reference"
Apr 22 22:35:23 <oilsworkn> haha
Apr 22 22:36:19 <rwhitby> apparently CPUScalerUltimate 2.1.2 now fully supports the Uber-Kernel, including internal CPU temp readings
Apr 22 22:36:31 <rwhitby> good to have multiple solutions for users to choose between
Apr 22 22:36:45 <rwhitby> built on a common open foundation
Apr 22 22:37:14 <FuMan> as of now, govnah is read only correct?
Apr 22 22:37:54 <rwhitby> FuMan: oil is working on that tonight
Apr 22 22:38:04 <oilsworkn> if oil gets that list made :)
Apr 22 22:38:09 <FuMan> wonderful
Apr 22 22:38:15 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: I'll do that on the bus into work
Apr 22 22:38:27 <FuMan> is something as simple as straight setting a clock speed going to be a choice?
Apr 22 22:38:30 <oilsworkn> my little example should actually be
Apr 22 22:38:36 <oilsworkn> governor
Apr 22 22:38:41 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: http://www.pantz.org/software/cpufreq/usingcpufreqonlinux.html (notice it's on "pantz")
Apr 22 22:38:41 <FuMan> or is it starting out with mainly governers and shiz
Apr 22 22:38:41 <oilsworkn> then option - type of value
Apr 22 22:39:01 <oilsworkn> so i know if it should be toggle bool, or list select, or whatever
Apr 22 22:39:08 <oilsworkn> so the form makes sense for the options
Apr 22 22:39:37 * rwhitby bbl
Apr 22 22:51:44 <sbromwich> rwhitby: could you check I've updated it right before I go twiddling the Makefile?
Apr 22 22:52:08 <sbromwich> I've been following along on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Adding_patches_through_git so you have something to point people at next time ;-)
Apr 22 22:57:00 <oilsworkn> no longer away, eh?
Apr 22 22:57:34 <zsoc> oilsworkn: your observance is impressive
Apr 22 22:58:24 <oilsworkn> thanks
Apr 22 22:59:09 * sbromwich wonders if oil is still "working"
Apr 22 22:59:25 <sbromwich> I'm sure they called it "buggering about on irc" in my day
Apr 22 22:59:54 <oilsworkn> i am
Apr 22 22:59:58 <PuffTheMagic> your day is not today sbromwich?
Apr 22 23:00:23 <sbromwich> sadly my day is long gone
Apr 22 23:00:29 <oilsworkn> lol
Apr 22 23:00:57 <sbromwich> I was criticised by my doctor today for not going to the pub enough.
Apr 22 23:01:12 <oilsworkn> nice
Apr 22 23:01:15 <sbromwich> you know something's wrong when...
Apr 22 23:01:49 <chrisa> Super Troopers Soundboard for $.99
Apr 22 23:01:50 <chrisa> hmmmm
Apr 22 23:02:02 <PuffTheMagic> chrisa: crazy huh
Apr 22 23:02:07 <oilsworkn> sounds like a good deal
Apr 22 23:02:17 <chrisa> Actually, the fancy ui they designed is awful
Apr 22 23:02:20 <sbromwich> and I'm sure all the audio is licensed.
Apr 22 23:02:20 <PuffTheMagic> im gonna make an app
Apr 22 23:02:28 <PuffTheMagic> its gonna be a toilet cam of me taking a shit
Apr 22 23:02:29 <chrisa> So unless you know the movie by heart you can't tell which clips say what
Apr 22 23:02:29 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: no make 100 apps
Apr 22 23:02:33 <PuffTheMagic> .99$
Apr 22 23:02:58 <PuffTheMagic> and it will have a sound board
Apr 22 23:03:01 * sbromwich is going to make the "bofh scream at lusers to go away" soundboard. $99.
Apr 22 23:03:01 <zsoc> it's amazing how many companies thrive on truly bad mobile apps
Apr 22 23:03:25 <sbromwich> this time next year, rodders, we'll be millionaires.
Apr 22 23:03:33 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: if u mean one-man-shows that call the dorm room a company then yeah
Apr 22 23:03:44 <oilsworkn> lol
Apr 22 23:04:05 <PuffTheMagic> or 13 year olds with.... companies
Apr 22 23:04:42 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: why aren't we doing that
Apr 22 23:04:50 * oilsworkn signs up
Apr 22 23:04:51 <zsoc> we could be living high making bad apps all day
Apr 22 23:05:04 <zsoc> 3 of us should start a company BadApps Inc
Apr 22 23:05:16 <zsoc> people will think we mean Bad Ass. But we just mean Bad.
Apr 22 23:05:23 <oilsworkn> the company should be called "Fuck Yeah!"
Apr 22 23:05:28 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: we could make Trolol require credits
Apr 22 23:05:28 <zsoc> haha
Apr 22 23:05:37 <zsoc> cre.. dits?
Apr 22 23:05:38 <PuffTheMagic> .25 per recording
Apr 22 23:05:40 <zsoc> hahhaa
Apr 22 23:05:44 <zsoc> eff-yeah
Apr 22 23:05:44 <PuffTheMagic> or
Apr 22 23:05:50 <oilsworkn> we can google image search "hot chicks"
Apr 22 23:05:51 <PuffTheMagic> penny a second
Apr 22 23:05:58 <oilsworkn> and stick them in an app to be added as wallpapers
Apr 22 23:06:10 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: thats the asian girl app
Apr 22 23:06:12 <PuffTheMagic> its awesome
Apr 22 23:06:20 <oilsworkn> lol
Apr 22 23:06:30 <PuffTheMagic> they need an indian girl app though
Apr 22 23:06:41 <PuffTheMagic> im definately in an indian girl phase :D
Apr 22 23:07:06 <zsoc> oilsworkn: http://fuckyea.info/fuck-yea-template.gif
Apr 22 23:07:14 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: tmi
Apr 22 23:07:51 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Apr 22 23:13:16 * oilsworkn got 2 pms on precentral today from two seperate people
Apr 22 23:13:19 <oilsworkn> asking about ssh in wircd
Apr 22 23:13:21 <oilsworkn> er
Apr 22 23:13:22 <oilsworkn> ssl
Apr 22 23:13:32 <PuffTheMagic> i always knew u had pms
Apr 22 23:13:43 <oilsworkn> privatemessages
Apr 22 23:14:00 * oilsworkn is not bleeding
Apr 22 23:14:04 <PuffTheMagic> yeah ssh might come
Apr 22 23:14:30 <PuffTheMagic> u can tell them were to send their checks if they want ssl
Apr 22 23:14:40 <PuffTheMagic> we should get one of those donation thermometers
Apr 22 23:14:52 <oilsworkn> what, to me, for having to remind you about it all the time :)
Apr 22 23:15:11 <oilsworkn> check out the wirc thread
Apr 22 23:15:16 <oilsworkn> someone suggested a bounty for ssl
Apr 22 23:15:17 <PuffTheMagic> i've gotten my share of e-mails
Apr 22 23:15:20 <oilsworkn> ask him how much he got
Apr 22 23:15:25 <PuffTheMagic> i just dont share
Apr 22 23:15:56 <oilsworkn> about what, emails?
Apr 22 23:15:57 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: set up a wirc paypal
Apr 22 23:16:08 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: we should start what we talked about
Apr 22 23:16:10 <oilsworkn> that sounds like a pain in the ass
Apr 22 23:16:16 <PuffTheMagic> or i will do it
Apr 22 23:18:19 <zsoc> preoccupied: ping
Apr 22 23:19:35 <preoccupied> zsoc: hey, how's it going?
Apr 22 23:19:49 <zsoc> preoccupied: have you done any 'Media Capture' recording?
Apr 22 23:20:11 <preoccupied> zsoc: yeah, initially with your first version
Apr 22 23:20:17 <preoccupied> haven't tried with the updated version
Apr 22 23:20:37 <zsoc> preoccupied: I was recording some clips (movie quotes) from various Youtube vid scenes.. I find it very .. uh.. well, after I hit stop.. it hangs for awhile before I get the service stop method returns
Apr 22 23:20:44 <zsoc> file output is fine, just hangs for like 30 seconds
Apr 22 23:20:50 <zsoc> I'm trying to figure out if others are experiencing the same thing
Apr 22 23:21:12 <preoccupied> oh, interesting. I recorded from the music remix app last time, and it didn't hang
Apr 22 23:21:14 <preoccupied> lemme test now
Apr 22 23:22:13 <zsoc> preoccupied: remember the issue you had last time of press stop twice? i think that's the same thing i am referring to, but i fixed the stop method on the app side so it throws up a 'please wait'
Apr 22 23:22:52 <preoccupied> oh...and it makes you wait for 30 secs?
Apr 22 23:22:57 <zsoc> no no no
Apr 22 23:23:10 <zsoc> it just throws up that 'please wait, saving...' and then disables the stop button /before/ calling the stop method
Apr 22 23:23:15 <zsoc> but i can't imagine that's causing the issue
Apr 22 23:23:22 <zsoc> er.. /and/ i don't have the issue all the time
Apr 22 23:23:33 <zsoc> Basically I think it's in the service somewhere but I wanted to make sure others are experiencing it
Apr 22 23:23:53 <preoccupied> hmm, ok. i'll try recording a few times to see if i can replicate it
Apr 22 23:24:08 <zsoc> preoccupied: particularly try from a youtube video
Apr 22 23:24:28 <preoccupied> zsoc: ok
Apr 22 23:24:52 <preoccupied> how long were you recording for?
Apr 22 23:25:31 <zsoc> ranged.. but even for a few seconds i was able to replicate it
Apr 22 23:25:38 <zsoc> and it wasn't a complete hang, always returns /eventually/
Apr 22 23:27:49 <oilsworkn> you know who i haven't seen speak in a long while?
Apr 22 23:27:52 <oilsworkn> dBsooner
Apr 22 23:28:58 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: he has a new job and is concentrating on that first
Apr 22 23:29:06 <oilsworkn> ah
Apr 22 23:29:12 <rwhitby> but still cranking on the patches in the background
Apr 22 23:29:16 <oilsworkn> not slacking yet lol
Apr 22 23:29:46 <preoccupied> zsoc: hmm, the youtube app is kinda weird
Apr 22 23:29:57 <preoccupied> zsoc: i'm getting the same error you are getting.
Apr 22 23:30:09 <preoccupied> zsoc: but it works perfectly for the music app
Apr 22 23:31:35 <zsoc> hmmm...
Apr 22 23:31:44 <zsoc> preoccupied: but it works eventually right?
Apr 22 23:31:57 <preoccupied> haha, it just finished
Apr 22 23:32:11 <preoccupied> i recorded about 1 min
Apr 22 23:32:34 <zsoc> interesting... it must be waiting for something
Apr 22 23:33:56 <preoccupied> zsoc: yeah. i'll try with the video app and see if i can get the same problem
Apr 22 23:34:21 <zsoc> could be a video thing
Apr 22 23:35:19 <preoccupied> hmm....my video recorder app is misbehaving
Apr 22 23:35:31 <zsoc> interesting
Apr 22 23:35:44 <preoccupied> grey screen...
Apr 22 23:36:16 <preoccupied> ok...works after resarting it
Apr 22 23:36:40 <sbromwich> rwhitby: Can you check I'm doing it right so far? I've logged what I'm doing at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Adding_patches_through_git too.
Apr 22 23:36:56 <jdforsythe> hey guys does anyone know where on the device the palm app icons are stored? the phone, messaging, etc? i'm trying to recreate the quick lauch overlay
Apr 22 23:37:52 <rwhitby> sbromwich: I don't see any new commits here: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=kernels/patches.git;a=summary
Apr 22 23:37:55 <jhojho> methinks sprint needs to lower the price for the pre
Apr 22 23:37:57 <jhojho> http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre-family.html
Apr 22 23:38:01 <rwhitby> sbromwich: did you git add, git commit, git push ?
Apr 22 23:38:12 <jhojho> just noticed the disparity
Apr 22 23:38:26 <sbromwich> not yet, I didn't want to commit anything until I was sure I wasn't trampling on anything
Apr 22 23:38:45 <preoccupied> zsoc: yeah, seeing the same thing with the video app
Apr 22 23:38:46 <sbromwich> as far as I can see it's up there but not fully commited yet, didn't want to commit until I had the training wheels off ;-)
Apr 22 23:38:57 <rwhitby> sbromwich: you can't trample on anything, it's an SCM :)
Apr 22 23:39:16 <rwhitby> sbromwich: the tag went through, but you need to commit stuff for the tag to point to
Apr 22 23:39:20 <sbromwich> rwhitby: I know, but... Coming from the healthcare world everything gets double checked and it's a hard habit to break :-)
Apr 22 23:39:27 <rwhitby> sbromwich: no worries
Apr 22 23:39:43 <rwhitby> sbromwich: but I'm pretty sure you've got it covered now
Apr 22 23:44:19 <sbromwich> ok, commit ftw.
Apr 22 23:45:18 <sbromwich> git pull then edit /home/sbromwich/build/hardware/uber-kernel-pre/Makefile, update VERSION (and/or VERSIONS?), add to KERNEL_PATCHES, git commit -m "commit message" Makefile?
Apr 22 23:46:55 * uNiXpSyChO has compucache working...  why did i bother?
Apr 22 23:47:20 <sbromwich> not worth it after all that?
Apr 22 23:47:35 <uNiXpSyChO> not sure yet.  just loaded it... gonna play with it.
Apr 22 23:47:52 <sbromwich> *nod*
Apr 22 23:48:17 <rwhitby> sbromwich: don't push to uber Makefile yet
Apr 22 23:48:20 * rwhitby bbiab
Apr 22 23:48:24 <sbromwich> okies
Apr 22 23:48:27 * sbromwich is in no hurry
Apr 22 23:48:56 <ka6sox> preoccupied, I have to go to another meeting for another 1.5hrs...might you be around after that?
Apr 22 23:50:34 <sbromwich> ka6sox: I think he might be a bit... preoccupied
Apr 22 23:50:40 * sbromwich chortles at his rather bad pun
Apr 22 23:50:54 <ka6sox> sbromwhich: groan.
Apr 22 23:50:58 <ka6sox> he he
Apr 22 23:51:45 <sbromwich> oh you knew it was coming ;-)
Apr 22 23:51:46 <preoccupied> ka6sox: yeah, i should be around
Apr 22 23:52:04 <preoccupied> sbromwich: haha, funny.
Apr 22 23:52:16 <tim__> hey
Apr 22 23:52:17 <zsoc> I need a volunteer to update the Precorder wiki page.... en0x.. entity-.. VincentLaw  ... preoccupied?
Apr 22 23:52:21 <ka6sox> thanks, I've been looking into benchmark suites.
Apr 22 23:52:25 <zsoc> tim__: big tim?
Apr 22 23:52:40 <tim__> hoe do I install govnah
Apr 22 23:53:00 <ka6sox> bbl
Apr 22 23:53:08 <zsoc> tim__: from preware
Apr 22 23:53:19 <zsoc> er, testing feeds maybe?
Apr 22 23:53:37 <tim__> ried
Apr 22 23:53:45 <tim__> tried#
Apr 22 23:54:29 <preoccupied> zsoc: what needs to be on the page?
Apr 22 23:54:45 <preoccupied> zsoc: maybe we should create a new page?
Apr 22 23:55:04 <zsoc> preoccupied: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Precorder
Apr 22 23:55:05 <preoccupied> so ppl can remember the greatness of the old precorder
Apr 22 23:55:07 <zsoc> nah, kill the old crap
Apr 22 23:55:34 <zsoc> it's no longer available, which makes it depreciated
Apr 22 23:55:42 * sbromwich has found an advantage of his old windows mobile phone over the pre.
Apr 22 23:55:42 <preoccupied> ok. do i need an account to edit?
Apr 22 23:55:57 <sbromwich> winmo phone was large enough not to get lost in my pockets.
Apr 22 23:55:57 <zsoc> preoccupied: probably, but no activation or anything, just give a user/pass/email and it's set
Apr 22 23:56:22 <preoccupied> k
Apr 22 23:56:54 <preoccupied> hmm....should i be preoccupied or linwiz311 (nick in P|C)?
Apr 22 23:57:12 <jhojho> both
Apr 22 23:57:21 <jhojho> have the longest nick on irc
Apr 22 23:57:23 <zsoc> preoccupied: is fine
Apr 22 23:58:03 <jhojho> hmmm
Apr 22 23:58:12 <jhojho> okay. time to attempt switching to the uber kernel
Apr 22 23:58:29 <jhojho> but not with someone trying to call me
Apr 22 23:58:33 <jhojho> doh
Apr 22 23:59:21 <preoccupied> zsoc: aren't you thinking about renaming the app?
Apr 22 23:59:33 <zsoc> preoccupied: yeah, we can forward the wiki page when that happens
Apr 22 23:59:51 <preoccupied> ok.
Apr 23 00:00:22 <jhojho> call it voxbox or something
Apr 23 00:00:43 <zsoc> s/forward/redirect/
Apr 23 00:00:44 <infobot> zsoc meant: preoccupied: yeah, we can redirect the wiki page when that happens
Apr 23 00:03:35 <jhojho> i wish there was ultima on the pre =)
Apr 23 00:04:53 <rwhitby> sbromwich: patches look good - normally I'd name them foo.patch
Apr 23 00:05:53 <sbromwich> ok
Apr 23 00:07:19 <sbromwich> and the Makefile stuff?
Apr 23 00:12:23 <rwhitby> sbromwich: Shall we combine and rename the patches first
Apr 23 00:13:08 <sbromwich> I just noticed all the cruft I've committed... *sigh*
Apr 23 00:13:10 <sbromwich> sure
Apr 23 00:13:20 <sbromwich> A Good Learning Experience :-)
Apr 23 00:15:14 <rwhitby> sbromwich: I'd like to do the work to move the current uber-kernel into a public feed before we add more things to it.  shall we create a new kernel with a new name which is the bleeding edge testing grounds?
Apr 23 00:15:26 <sbromwich> OK I think I've figured out git removal to kill the crap I uploaded too
Apr 23 00:15:32 <sbromwich> sure, that probalby wouldn't be a bad idea
Apr 23 00:16:00 <rwhitby> sbromwich: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=kernels/patches.git;a=commitdiff;h=16fbb975827aa7187db8466cb9e2d5b324f73e5b looks clean of cruft to me
Apr 23 00:17:04 <rwhitby> ah, excellent.  sconix is maintaining his mode switcher patches directly in the build repo
Apr 23 00:17:45 <rwhitby> so we need a name for the kernel which will have stuff for testing before it goes into uber-kernel
Apr 23 00:18:08 <sbromwich> sweet :-)
Apr 23 00:18:10 <jhojho> slippery weasel?
Apr 23 00:18:30 <sbromwich> just added details to the wiki page on how to back out... inadvertently changed files
Apr 23 00:18:39 <jhojho> always thought it was funny that linus had the weasel series of kernels
Apr 23 00:33:21 <preoccupied> zsoc: ok, i've update a few things
Apr 23 00:33:40 <preoccupied> zsoc: could i get a current changelog? maybe in a pastebin?
Apr 23 00:33:44 <en0x> any idea on how to force photo app to rescan /media/internal for photos?
Apr 23 00:34:32 <en0x> my photos are not updated in photo app and it's missing like 100 of them
Apr 23 00:34:35 <en0x> :S
Apr 23 00:34:37 <zsoc> lots of it is still bonus :D
Apr 23 00:34:43 <zsoc> s/bonus/bogus/
Apr 23 00:34:43 <infobot> zsoc meant: lots of it is still bogus :D
Apr 23 00:35:25 <zsoc> preoccupied: er, some of it is in the preware entry
Apr 23 00:35:41 <preoccupied> zsoc: yeah, I see a few things i missed already
Apr 23 00:35:47 <zsoc> 0.5.3 fixed the restart hangs and the stop method
Apr 23 00:35:53 <zsoc> screenshots particularly lol
Apr 23 00:36:51 <preoccupied> zsoc: I only listed the one we just discovered...
Apr 23 00:37:15 <preoccupied> zsoc: where if you're capturing a youtube video, it takes a while for the service to return success
Apr 23 00:37:32 <zsoc> wait, what do you mean by changlog? a trac going forward?
Apr 23 00:37:54 <en0x> so no idea on how to rescan this sucka?
Apr 23 00:38:36 <preoccupied> zsoc: well, the old page had a changelog... i was thining about deleting hte old stuff and listing hte changes from like 0.5.1
Apr 23 00:38:54 <preoccupied> s/thining/thinking/
Apr 23 00:38:54 <infobot> preoccupied meant: zsoc: well, the old page had a changelog... i was thinking about deleting hte old stuff and listing hte changes from like 0.5.1
Apr 23 00:39:25 <zsoc> preoccupied: 0.5.0/0.5.2 changelog is in the preware description
Apr 23 00:39:34 <zsoc> and i just told you 0.5.3
Apr 23 00:41:06 <preoccupied> zsoc: lol, ok. Just didn't want to retype it :)
Apr 23 00:41:15 <preoccupied> from the preware description
Apr 23 00:41:26 <zsoc> lol sry, that's part of the reason i didn't want to do it myself
Apr 23 00:41:30 <zsoc> preoccupied: you can check the build file
Apr 23 00:42:14 <zsoc> preoccupied: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=testing/precorder/Makefile;h=1668cbb9f3ccdbddb978e5b3eb7324f789b26b2b;hb=HEAD
Apr 23 00:42:32 <preoccupied> zsoc: ok, thanks. btw do you know how to upload images?
Apr 23 00:44:04 <zsoc> preoccupied: link on the left bar i think
Apr 23 00:56:27 <preoccupied> zsoc: ok. think i've updated everything. Lemme know if there's anything else I should change.
Apr 23 00:56:28 <sbromwich> rwhitby: ping?
Apr 23 00:58:32 <jacques_pre> howdy
Apr 23 00:58:38 <sbromwich> evening
Apr 23 00:59:10 * jacques_pre just ate at in-n-out
Apr 23 01:00:24 <sbromwich> umm... congrats?
Apr 23 01:00:32 <jacques_pre> now I'm too full to walk back to my hotel
Apr 23 01:01:04 <sbromwich> just to clarify... in-n-out != brothel?
Apr 23 01:01:16 <jacques_pre> I only make it to in-n-out once a year these days
Apr 23 01:01:43 <jacques_pre> sbromwich: it's  hamburger place
Apr 23 01:02:09 <sbromwich> oh. yes. google just showed me.
Apr 23 01:02:16 <sbromwich> I had a... rather different idea.
Apr 23 01:02:30 * sbromwich obviously *does* have a dirty mind, after all.
Apr 23 01:02:31 <jacques_pre> heh
Apr 23 01:02:41 <oil> they would make a lot more money if it was what sbromwich was thinking
Apr 23 01:03:18 <jacques_pre> maybe you watched "a clockwork orange" too many times
Apr 23 01:04:19 <sbromwich> that might be it...
Apr 23 01:04:21 <jacques_pre> well, I guess I should start the 1.3 mile walk back
Apr 23 01:04:42 <oil> thank god for wirc
Apr 23 01:04:47 <oil> let you join and tell us all about it :)
Apr 23 01:05:36 <jacques_pre> I was wondering if the thursday night meet-up for dev days had gelled
Apr 23 01:05:51 <rwhitby> sbromwich: syn|ack
Apr 23 01:05:52 <oil> you're there?
Apr 23 01:06:09 <jacques_pre> haven't heard any more about it
Apr 23 01:06:32 <jacques_pre> oil: yep, in sunnyvale
Apr 23 01:06:42 <sbromwich> rwhitby: I know you've told me this in the past but I can't find it in the irc logs... I've done a make clobber, how do I pull down the latest tree now so I can get my Makefile and everything all up to date?
Apr 23 01:06:59 <rwhitby> sbromwich: git pull
Apr 23 01:07:00 <sbromwich> latest uber tree, that is
Apr 23 01:07:22 <sbromwich> mason~/build/hardware/uber-kernel-pre/build$ git pull
Apr 23 01:07:23 <sbromwich> Already up-to-date.
Apr 23 01:07:23 <rwhitby> sbromwich: BTW, your tag on the patches repo has to be done *after* the commit
Apr 23 01:07:25 <sbromwich> mason~/build/hardware/uber-kernel-pre/build$ ls
Apr 23 01:07:27 <sbromwich> arm  patches  src-1.4.1-6
Apr 23 01:07:29 <sbromwich> mason~/build/hardware/uber-kernel-pre/build$
Apr 23 01:07:40 <rwhitby> sbromwich: then update VERSION in Makefile
Apr 23 01:07:53 <rwhitby> sbromwich: oh, uber-kernel-pre has moved to ./testing/
Apr 23 01:08:09 <rwhitby> sbromwich: sorry, I didn't keep you up to date on that.
Apr 23 01:08:15 <sbromwich> heh
Apr 23 01:08:24 <sbromwich> ok for once I'm not totally in the dark then ;-)
Apr 23 01:08:33 <jacques_pre> it would be cooler with the two dots over the 'u'
Apr 23 01:08:53 <sbromwich> ok so I mkdir ~build/hardware/testing and git pull from there?
Apr 23 01:09:04 <jacques_pre> umlauts make everything cooler
Apr 23 01:09:05 <zsoc> preoccupied: good job :3 thank you!
Apr 23 01:09:28 <rwhitby> jacques_pre: we'll work out how to do that in Preware before 1.0
Apr 23 01:09:50 <jacques_pre> rwhitby: make it a critical blocker
Apr 23 01:09:51 <rwhitby> sbromwich: git pull in ~/build should already have ~/build/testing/uber-kernel-pre/Makefile
Apr 23 01:10:08 <sbromwich> Already up to date, it says
Apr 23 01:10:21 <sbromwich> oh.
Apr 23 01:10:27 <sbromwich> *sigh*
Apr 23 01:10:38 <sbromwich> sorry, too many words on the screen.
Apr 23 01:10:56 <jacques_pre> going to start walking, will be afk
Apr 23 01:11:22 <sbromwich> Makefile in mason~/build/testing/uber-kernel-pre?
Apr 23 01:11:25 <preoccupied> zsoc: np
Apr 23 01:11:45 <preoccupied> zsoc: have you tested it on a Pixi?
Apr 23 01:11:48 * sbromwich is *so* not operating at top speed today.
Apr 23 01:12:01 <zsoc> preoccupied: nope,i don't have one
Apr 23 01:12:37 <preoccupied> man. i feel bad for the Pixi users. They always get left behind
Apr 23 01:13:02 <en0x> thats why pixi is an entry phone
Apr 23 01:13:02 <en0x> :P
Apr 23 01:14:58 <preoccupied> yeah, but it doesn't mean they can't get some of these goodies...haha
Apr 23 01:15:00 <sbromwich> ok so I have the kernel downloaded... now just change my uber-kernel-pre/Makefile VERSION to 1.4.1-10?
Apr 23 01:19:10 <jhojho> alrighty
Apr 23 01:19:21 <jhojho> old 720Mhz.sh uninstalled
Apr 23 01:19:45 <zsoc> it should work fine on a pixi tho
Apr 23 01:20:24 <jhojho> rwhitby: out of curiosity, are you using ccache for the compiles?
Apr 23 01:20:37 <rwhitby> jhojho: nope
Apr 23 01:21:03 <rwhitby> sbromwich: you'll need to move the tag (or create an -11) which points to the stuff you checked in
Apr 23 01:21:56 <jhojho> ah. never tried it with cross compiles but could speed up your compiles
Apr 23 01:22:40 <sbromwich> rwhitby: pointers on how to do that? I just tried with -10 and it downloaded everything except my patch
Apr 23 01:23:21 <rwhitby> sbromwich: notice on http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=kernels/patches.git;a=summary that the 1.4.1-10 tag is on the previous commit, not your latest one.
Apr 23 01:23:26 <sbromwich> stick my patches inc src-1.4.1-10/patches and redo the adds and commits?
Apr 23 01:23:35 <rwhitby> sbromwich: so just do the tag again with -11 and use that
Apr 23 01:23:46 <rwhitby> (numbers are cheap)
Apr 23 01:24:09 <sbromwich> ahhhhhhhhhh
Apr 23 01:24:17 <sbromwich> ah ok I think things are finally starting to come together
Apr 23 01:29:18 <sbromwich> er
Apr 23 01:29:20 <sbromwich> maybe not
Apr 23 01:29:25 <sbromwich> mason~/build/testing/uber-kernel-pre/build/src-1.4.1-10/patches/prcm$ git push
Apr 23 01:29:26 <sbromwich> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
Apr 23 01:30:34 <sbromwich> seems to connect to git.webos-internals.org then get dropped straight away
Apr 23 01:34:47 <jhojho> hmm
Apr 23 01:34:51 <jhojho> back at 500mhz
Apr 23 01:35:03 <jhojho> and honestly 1.4.1.1 at 500mhz does not feel that slow
Apr 23 01:35:29 <jhojho> sbromwich: are you doing this on the pre?
Apr 23 01:35:39 <sbromwich> mason
Apr 23 01:35:57 <jhojho> mason?
Apr 23 01:36:08 <sbromwich> mason.preware.org
Apr 23 01:36:26 <sbromwich> rwhitby sucked me into using git by giving me an account on there so I wouldn't have to compile on my pre
Apr 23 01:36:33 <jhojho> hah
Apr 23 01:36:35 <sbromwich> tricksy guy
Apr 23 01:36:45 <jhojho> he must like you better
Apr 23 01:36:59 <sbromwich> "take pity" might be more accurate ;-)
Apr 23 01:37:08 <jhojho> I used git and I didnt get an account
Apr 23 01:37:14 <jhojho> lol
Apr 23 01:37:31 <rwhitby> jhojho: you gave in too easy ;)
Apr 23 01:37:32 <sbromwich> well, at the time I had the choice betwee the pre or... I think it's a PIII 600
Apr 23 01:37:49 <sbromwich> heh
Apr 23 01:37:49 <jhojho> great, its the git equivalent of putting out
Apr 23 01:38:11 <jhojho> sbromwich: I finally decomissioned my pII
Apr 23 01:38:16 <sbromwich> ironically my pre compiled markedly faster than the PIII
Apr 23 01:38:21 <rwhitby> jhojho: but seriously, if a webos-internals dev needs something to compile stuff on, we can help out
Apr 23 01:38:22 <jhojho> used to be a pentium 100
Apr 23 01:38:34 <sbromwich> jhojho: my dual core box died and I haven't had the time to go get the hardware to replace it
Apr 23 01:38:44 <jhojho> nah. I've got a bunch of core2 duo boxes sitting in the garage
Apr 23 01:39:09 <jhojho> but ironically my macbook may be the fastest...
Apr 23 01:39:15 <zsoc> give me :>
Apr 23 01:39:20 <sbromwich> I managed to dump most of my crap^Whigh quality used goods on the local LUG
Apr 23 01:39:36 <sbromwich> I had a stack of sparc classics almost as tall as me
Apr 23 01:39:42 <sbromwich> some of them might even have worked
Apr 23 01:39:57 <jhojho> dont care much about the desktops, my readynas is more valuable to me
Apr 23 01:40:08 <jhojho> too bad its so old that it does not have wakeonlan
Apr 23 01:40:14 <sbromwich> heh
Apr 23 01:40:38 <jhojho> it's the only thing I cant turn on remotely. all the other computers do so happily
Apr 23 01:40:46 * rwhitby bbl
Apr 23 01:40:55 <jhojho> laterz
Apr 23 01:41:16 <jhojho> rwhitby leaves right when I'm about to try his uberkernel
Apr 23 01:43:43 <jhojho> man I've been missing all the F1 races this year, ever since mininova closed...
Apr 23 01:47:09 <zsoc> preoccupied: things are going well again so far :D i feel 0.5.4 on it's way
Apr 23 01:47:32 <sbromwich> jhojho: I might still have an account on thebox.bz if you're interested?
Apr 23 01:48:11 <jhojho> what's that?
Apr 23 01:48:43 <preoccupied> zsoc: sounds great. I'm guessing the timer's next?
Apr 23 01:49:16 <preoccupied> and confirmed by looking at your recent git commit
Apr 23 01:49:17 <zsoc> preoccupied: yep, trying to get it to be uh... actually based on the pipeline's position. it'll be useful if i ever want to be able to playback in pipeline
Apr 23 01:49:18 <preoccupied> can't wait!
Apr 23 01:49:27 <zsoc> recent? lol try 5 seconds ago
Apr 23 01:49:41 <preoccupied> actually, 96 secs ago
Apr 23 01:49:43 <preoccupied> haha
Apr 23 01:50:04 <en0x> does the precorder still use service? or is a full pdk?
Apr 23 01:50:07 <zsoc> preoccupied: no, my commit was 96 seconds ago, i just pushed ;)
Apr 23 01:50:26 <preoccupied> oh, nice
Apr 23 01:50:37 <zsoc> en0x: service, PDK is going to be a mess. the service allows for more extensibility, and since the PDK api's aren't finalized yet, i'm not using them
Apr 23 01:50:56 <en0x> zsoc: i see
Apr 23 01:51:03 <en0x> but preware alpha is a pdk isnt it?
Apr 23 01:51:03 <zsoc> plus they force use of sdl
Apr 23 01:51:08 <zsoc> which is, bleh
Apr 23 01:51:11 <zsoc> en0x: no, same basic deal
Apr 23 01:51:21 <zsoc> en0x: we're just using new palm methods for combining service and app together
Apr 23 01:51:23 <preoccupied> zsoc: but they'll eventually let u mix the two right?
Apr 23 01:51:34 <zsoc> which is cleaner, easier, in a single package, and allows for orange+tap removal
Apr 23 01:51:34 <en0x> zsoc: oh understood
Apr 23 01:51:58 <preoccupied> i'm actually excited about that....mojo & c++ in apps
Apr 23 01:52:09 <zsoc> preoccupied: er.. not mix, but when it's all finalized some of WI's services might be able to be converted to plugins, minus a few features
Apr 23 01:52:20 <zsoc> preoccupied: we're doing it now really, not much diff except the app cat
Apr 23 01:52:40 <zsoc> heck, we can use python if we wanted ;)
Apr 23 01:52:47 <zsoc> or lisp if i get ecls working lol
Apr 23 01:52:52 <preoccupied> lol, lisp
Apr 23 01:53:09 <preoccupied> too many parenthesis...haha
Apr 23 01:53:32 <preoccupied> and it's just as bad as JS in terms of speed...
Apr 23 01:53:41 <zsoc> preoccupied: last part isn't entirely true
Apr 23 01:53:48 <zsoc> but yeah, parenthesis lol
Apr 23 01:53:55 <preoccupied> zsoc: yeah, you can compile
Apr 23 01:54:02 <preoccupied> but then agian, js can be compiled as well
Apr 23 01:54:06 <preoccupied> aka, V8
Apr 23 01:54:20 <preoccupied> but...the speed improvements are nothing like java or c
Apr 23 01:57:49 <ka6sox> jacques, pingu?
Apr 23 01:58:05 <jacques> hi ka6sox
Apr 23 01:59:22 <ka6sox> howdy....no DevDays for me....Spending the day in Jail :(
Apr 23 02:00:28 <jacques> please define jail
Apr 23 02:00:39 <jacques> some to the saturday one
Apr 23 02:00:44 <jacques> s/s/c/
Apr 23 02:00:45 <infobot> jacques meant: come to the saturday one
Apr 23 02:01:19 <ka6sox> I tried to get out of spending the day there doing signal measurements but they have to get it done by a meeting on monday.
Apr 23 02:01:50 <jacques> so you are tied up for saturday too?
Apr 23 02:02:16 <ka6sox> I think its either Speedy or Wormo's birthday.
Apr 23 02:02:37 <jacques> oh well :-\
Apr 23 02:02:48 <ka6sox> I was hoping to get up there and see ya.
Apr 23 02:03:08 <ka6sox> I seriously doubt that anybody from the hardware group would be there.
Apr 23 02:05:34 * uNiXpSyChO wondering how to test compucache
Apr 23 02:06:07 <sbromwich> compile a kernel on your pre?
Apr 23 02:06:17 <uNiXpSyChO> root@palm-webos-device:/var/home/root# swapon -s
Apr 23 02:06:18 <uNiXpSyChO> Filename                                Type            Size    Used    Priority
Apr 23 02:06:20 <uNiXpSyChO> /dev/ramzswap0                          partition       131064  0       1
Apr 23 02:06:33 <uNiXpSyChO> or run 4 3d games in parallel?
Apr 23 02:07:04 <sbromwich> *cough*
Apr 23 02:07:20 <preoccupied> ka6sox: howdy
Apr 23 02:07:47 <sbromwich> ohhhh... dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/ramdisk bs=1M count=256?
Apr 23 02:07:49 <ka6sox> preoccupied, howdy...good to see you...
Apr 23 02:08:01 <sbromwich> *that* should force stuff to swap hard ;-)
Apr 23 02:08:08 <uNiXpSyChO> lol
Apr 23 02:08:51 <preoccupied> ka6sox: have you been collecting temp stats for the day?
Apr 23 02:08:56 <uNiXpSyChO> this was a disgusting kernel hack...  still trying to find out why am i doing this
Apr 23 02:09:53 <sbromwich> proof of concept?
Apr 23 02:09:58 <ka6sox> preoccupied, I didn't get a chance to start it this morning before I left.
Apr 23 02:10:01 <ka6sox> I'm starting it now.
Apr 23 02:10:31 <preoccupied> ka6sox: ok, great. what was the line you were using in cron again?
Apr 23 02:10:33 <uNiXpSyChO> well, it works...  i dont know the benefits yet.
Apr 23 02:11:31 <ka6sox> 0/5 * * * * * /opt/local/sbin/cpustat.sh
Apr 23 02:11:50 <ka6sox> whooops...make that 0/15
Apr 23 02:12:11 <ka6sox> (but I think now it should be every 5 seconds like Govnah.
Apr 23 02:12:13 <ka6sox> )
Apr 23 02:12:24 <ka6sox> so that would make it 0/5
Apr 23 02:13:06 <preoccupied> ka6sox: ok, thanks
Apr 23 02:13:13 <preoccupied> and how did you edit the cron file?
Apr 23 02:13:39 <ka6sox> I installed nano
Apr 23 02:13:44 <ka6sox> oh...vi works!
Apr 23 02:13:48 <sbromwich> and joe
Apr 23 02:14:00 <ka6sox> right..that too.
Apr 23 02:14:03 <preoccupied> ka6sox: yeah, but...where is it stored?
Apr 23 02:14:22 <preoccupied> hmm...i gotta try nano...vi doesn't work over novaterm in windows
Apr 23 02:14:31 <ka6sox> it should be in /home/root/crontab.root
Apr 23 02:14:36 <preoccupied> ok, thanks
Apr 23 02:14:37 <sbromwich> EDITOR=vi crontab -e
Apr 23 02:14:43 <jhojho> nano?
Apr 23 02:14:49 <jhojho> ugh
Apr 23 02:14:50 <jhojho> vi
Apr 23 02:15:08 <preoccupied> lol, vi is quick
Apr 23 02:15:23 * sbromwich is mildly surprised jhojho does not use joe
Apr 23 02:15:36 <jhojho> lol
Apr 23 02:15:41 <jhojho> I use pico
Apr 23 02:16:33 <ka6sox> well...vi works fine sshing over the wifi
Apr 23 02:17:28 <jhojho> rwhitby did not leave instructions on the format of patch for the patches repo.
Apr 23 02:17:49 <jhojho> want to enable all the IO scheds and TCP congestion algos
Apr 23 02:18:02 <rwhitby> jhojho: just look at the ones that are there
Apr 23 02:18:24 <jhojho> its not consistent
Apr 23 02:18:33 <jhojho> do you patch using p1?
Apr 23 02:20:41 <rwhitby> I usually use diff -BurN and p1
Apr 23 02:20:57 <jhojho> k
Apr 23 02:22:58 <jhojho> ugh, why does palm put parens in the name of the patch file
Apr 23 02:23:40 <rwhitby> jhojho: yeah, awful isn't it
Apr 23 02:23:48 <jhojho> it really is
Apr 23 02:26:34 <uNiXpSyChO> still getting "too many cards" error with compucache.  FAIL
Apr 23 02:26:55 <ka6sox> jhojho, everything that I've submitted using -BurN and p1 has been accepted.
Apr 23 02:27:15 <jhojho> k
Apr 23 02:27:30 <jhojho> guess we can try enabling tcp hybla
Apr 23 02:30:18 <jhojho> rwhitby: are you compiling with just omap_sirloin_3430_defconfig or is there another file somewhere overriding?
Apr 23 02:30:34 <zsoc> mmm.. sirloin...
Apr 23 02:30:35 <rwhitby> jhojho: there are defconfig patches
Apr 23 02:30:43 <rwhitby> against that file
Apr 23 02:31:00 <jhojho> the kernel as shipped by palm does not seem to be compiled with that. i.e. only reno and cubic are in the stock kernel
Apr 23 02:31:18 <jhojho> but omap_sirloin_3430_defconfig enables a lot more tcp algos by default
Apr 23 02:31:42 <uNiXpSyChO> you surprised by that? ;-)
Apr 23 02:31:48 <jhojho> no
Apr 23 02:32:25 <jhojho> just wanted something consistent so I guess if its sirloin, that's fine with me, just didnt want some sekret config file flipping bits =)
Apr 23 02:32:54 <zsoc> preoccupied: it built finally, that's 1/3 of the battle, heh. I don't think I'm getting this out tonight.
Apr 23 02:33:17 <jhojho> I was going to enable the iosched but the sirloin config seems to have them enabled already.
Apr 23 02:33:52 <jhojho> hmm, not really worth submitting a patch just to enable hybla unless someone really wants to test it.
Apr 23 02:34:17 <uNiXpSyChO> you can volunteer
Apr 23 02:35:10 <uNiXpSyChO> i wouldnt know the difference
Apr 23 02:38:30 <webf> note to self: do not accidentally volunteer for a research paper about tablet pcs when you already have a full plate
Apr 23 02:38:49 <jhojho> heh
Apr 23 02:39:02 <jhojho> i'm not volunteering for any testing
Apr 23 02:43:12 <uNiXpSyChO> sbromwich: ping SYN flood
Apr 23 02:44:22 <preoccupied> zsoc: what kinds of bugs are you seeing?
Apr 23 02:45:11 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: Destination Host Unreachable
Apr 23 02:45:22 <uNiXpSyChO> FIN RST
Apr 23 02:45:26 <bpadalino> idea for Govnah graph: background gridlines (optional); background gradient which matches temperature gradient (optional)
Apr 23 02:45:39 <uNiXpSyChO> didnt you mention a while back about java settings and memory stuff?
Apr 23 02:46:06 <sbromwich> yeah
Apr 23 02:46:50 <uNiXpSyChO> trying to figure out if the -Xmx value is increased will it do better so compucache can have a better effect?
Apr 23 02:47:31 <sbromwich> not intrinsically I think
Apr 23 02:48:22 <ka6sox> preoccupied, how many simultaneous nbenches did you run?
Apr 23 02:48:34 <uNiXpSyChO> so compucache might me useless in webOS due to the way they due mem mgmt
Apr 23 02:49:29 <sbromwich> 46 meg cached for me... out of 240-odd meg total?
Apr 23 02:49:56 <uNiXpSyChO> [ 2477.630000] ramzswap: memory limit set to 36828 kB
Apr 23 02:52:04 <zsoc> preoccupied: right now the app is still working, i'm having a difficultly getting things pushed around.. i gotta spend some time with the fam, may or may not be back tonight
Apr 23 02:53:57 <uNiXpSyChO> [ 2829.880000] memory_pressure_notify (101%, U 247MB, F 52MB, low)
Apr 23 02:53:58 <uNiXpSyChO> [ 2848.150000] memory_pressure_notify (94%, U 231MB, F 73MB, normal)
Apr 23 02:54:01 <uNiXpSyChO> hmmmm
Apr 23 02:55:56 <ka6sox> preoccupied, ping
Apr 23 02:57:01 <preoccupied> ka6sox: yeah, what's up?
Apr 23 02:57:29 <preoccupied> ka6sox: oh, nbenches...i ran 7 at once
Apr 23 02:57:53 <preoccupied> ka6sox: with asphalt5. That's what pushed me up to 60
Apr 23 02:59:14 <jhojho> sbromwich: man you changed a lot of config opts
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