**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 26 02:59:56 2010 Apr 26 03:02:15 SC_Modder: the *-check targets are really only for the optware maintainers Apr 26 03:02:33 you want "make busybox" or "make busybox-ipk" Apr 26 03:02:48 Okay Apr 26 03:02:48 Lumiere: crying tears of joy ? ;-) Apr 26 03:06:24 rwhitby: not really Apr 26 03:06:41 rwhitby: I really agree that crosscompile and build need to be combined Apr 26 03:07:00 and then build needs to make it easier to build working copies of stuff Apr 26 03:07:11 individually Apr 26 03:07:29 right now the builder is singlely focused on making the indexes Apr 26 03:07:46 (it does other things to get there) Apr 26 03:08:14 also, I'd like to find a way to avoid maintaining all the version data in the builder Apr 26 03:08:31 rwhitby: Thanks for the help! I've got my MAC addresses in my control now :) Apr 26 03:09:00 * Lumiere is thinking about something more along the lines of python/zope's buildout system Apr 26 03:09:03 * rwhitby wonders if http://javascriptrrd.sourceforge.net/ will be useful for Govnah Apr 26 03:09:06 oil: ^^ Apr 26 03:09:46 rwhitby: wouldn't it make sense to maintain changelog and package meta data Apr 26 03:09:51 in the packages rather then the builder? Apr 26 03:10:13 Lumiere: well, the packages don't exist until they are built. Apr 26 03:10:21 Lumiere: it's the opposite of Debian Apr 26 03:10:40 rwhitby: s/packages/source Apr 26 03:11:33 you tag a release, then you have a config file that is git/version pairs Apr 26 03:11:50 Lumiere: the main reason for that split is that the metadata has changed so often that it's been easier to have it all in one place to make refactoring easier Apr 26 03:12:01 rwhitby: ah Apr 26 03:12:27 part of my issue right now... is that it isn't clear why both build and cross compile exist Apr 26 03:12:53 and the builder grabs makes an ipkg and deletes the git Apr 26 03:13:01 so you can't play with anything there Apr 26 03:13:32 * Lumiere wonders how much of pypi could be compatible XD Apr 26 03:14:06 Lumiere: build and cross exist because sb2 won't work on the autobuilder machine for some reason Apr 26 03:15:19 rwhitby: could we bypass the need for sb2 Apr 26 03:15:37 by using the build.git toolchain style Apr 26 03:15:49 Lumiere: much harder to build stuff that way for end-users Apr 26 03:15:54 hmm Apr 26 03:16:11 * rwhitby bbl - lunch Apr 26 03:16:18 rwhitby: if you make it so that someone could download preware.git Apr 26 03:16:35 into build/apps/preware/src/ Apr 26 03:16:38 and play with it Apr 26 03:16:46 and from build/apps/preware/ Apr 26 03:16:51 run make build Apr 26 03:17:03 that kicks out a build dir and an ipkg Apr 26 03:17:17 marked as a dev version Apr 26 03:19:50 * Lumiere head to sleep... Apr 26 03:21:41 Anyone know if the pre has an equivalent to /etc/network/interfaces? Apr 26 03:22:54 is that a trick question? Apr 26 03:23:01 /etc/sysconfig/network Apr 26 03:23:07 Oh Apr 26 03:23:14 It does have an interfaces file.. Apr 26 03:23:23 yep Apr 26 03:23:25 Wow, wasn't expecting that. >.> Disregard me Apr 26 03:23:33 'k Apr 26 03:23:41 jacques: some people are not familiar with redhat style sysconfig Apr 26 03:23:56 although Apr 26 03:23:58 having both Apr 26 03:24:00 is odd to me Apr 26 03:26:06 Lumiere, mine has /etc/sysconfig dir, but no network file in it Apr 26 03:28:03 jacques: yea I just looked after saying it Apr 26 03:28:18 debian style uses /etc/network/interfaces... Apr 26 03:28:28 redhat style uses /etc/sysconfig/network Apr 26 03:28:34 debian style is what I am used to Apr 26 03:28:42 hence my question :P Apr 26 03:28:46 * jacques usesboth Apr 26 03:28:48 I started in redhat oh so long ago Apr 26 03:29:00 I now almost exclusively use ubuntu/debian Apr 26 03:29:26 anyways I really should finish this repo upgrade Apr 26 03:29:27 and get to bed Apr 26 03:29:40 and gentoo uses /etc/conf.d/net Apr 26 03:29:52 gentoo uses BSD style Apr 26 03:29:59 wherever it can Apr 26 03:30:01 meh Apr 26 03:30:07 * Lumiere kicks bzr Apr 26 03:30:23 I love bzr... but they change backend repository format Apr 26 03:30:25 way too often Apr 26 04:13:38 did anyone ask if bluetooth spp support means palm is moving to bluez or are they just adding SPP support to their custom BT stack? Apr 26 04:14:25 probably just adding to the custom stack Apr 26 04:14:42 ya, since they are using a chip that uses the custom stack. Apr 26 04:22:16 howdy jhojho Apr 26 04:22:43 yeah, I got no impression that they were changing stacks Apr 26 04:22:49 hiya jacques Apr 26 04:22:52 backhome now? Apr 26 04:23:06 yeah, as of a couple of hours ago Apr 26 04:24:12 no stable kernel releases for 24 days - weird Apr 26 04:24:28 in what tree? Apr 26 04:26:29 http://kernel.org/ Apr 26 04:26:49 31 32 33 all updated on 4-1 and not since Apr 26 04:28:18 howdy jacques Apr 26 04:42:36 Tman: make sure you set the GL version before SDL_SetVideoMode, sorry I don't think i mentioned those lines previously. Apr 26 04:42:53 Tman: PS that took...someone here (not me) quite some time to figure out, heh Apr 26 04:44:12 i cant get the onscreen keyboard to work on the pre plus neone know how to get this workin? Apr 26 04:55:14 ? Apr 26 04:59:56 ok, making a do all bash script is out Apr 26 05:00:53 I just don't know enough bash to do it Apr 26 05:12:00 dtzWill: I will be sure to give credit where it's due! Apr 26 05:16:29 dtzWill: and I don't see where the version is set.. Apr 26 05:17:35 do all what halfhalo-T400 ? Apr 26 05:22:08 dtzWill: oh, I already have it in my code actually. I'll work more on this later, thanks for your help. Apr 26 06:29:00 yo Apr 26 06:29:06 what are some good mobile porn sites? Apr 26 06:29:33 apple.com has been known for that Apr 26 07:33:48 hey, i'm getting an error while installing a package in preware: Failed, ErrorGenericMethodException: failure during "install" operation. Apr 26 07:45:33 * bhuey had a lot of fun at Palm Developer Days Apr 26 07:45:50 drove up in the middle of the night with short sleep to get there in time for the keynote Apr 26 07:46:08 from where? Apr 26 07:46:14 now i wonder how to get this Pre that I got to work on a Sprint network if I can at all Apr 26 07:46:19 San Diego Apr 26 07:46:30 ah. Apr 26 07:46:40 around 7 hours if youdont have heavy LA traffic Apr 26 07:46:55 is 4.5 for me Apr 26 07:47:01 you in LA ? Apr 26 07:47:01 (and I avoid LA) Apr 26 07:47:17 no...120miles west. Apr 26 07:47:32 Las Vegas ? Apr 26 07:47:51 where are you referring to ? Apr 26 07:48:14 Santa Barbara Apr 26 07:48:34 yeah, susbstantially closer Apr 26 07:53:57 did you learn a lot? Apr 26 08:00:18 learned more about the system than I would have otherwise Apr 26 08:00:30 but that's not the point of things like this, it's to meet folks Apr 26 08:01:07 most developers can learn this stuff on their own for the most part, but having somebody explain to them why certain conventions are done is helpful Apr 26 08:03:48 thats why I like going to SCALE. Apr 26 08:09:03 hey, i get an error while trying to install some packages from preware on webos phone: Error returned Value 4 - Cannot find package org.webosinternals.visualboyadvance... any suggestions? Apr 26 08:09:50 are you updating first? Apr 26 08:10:06 i already have. Apr 26 08:10:13 i'll update again to be sure. Apr 26 08:10:19 which feed? Apr 26 08:10:35 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/ Apr 26 08:11:04 * whois is updating as well.. Apr 26 08:11:58 i even tried manually installing the ipk, but same error occurred.. Apr 26 08:12:48 okay it installed for me from the feed. Apr 26 08:13:03 say i must be doing something wrong then, sorry to bother you... Apr 26 08:13:35 not a bother...I wanted to make sure that there wasn't a problem with the feed. Apr 26 08:14:11 did you use the emulator or your actual device? Apr 26 08:14:19 I used my Pre. Apr 26 08:14:38 cool Apr 26 08:15:17 and 'http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/' is the only feed required for the "visualboy" package, correct? Apr 26 08:15:53 thats the one I got it from. Apr 26 08:16:11 I didn't see any other feeds being accessed. Apr 26 08:16:20 but it was pretty quick though. Apr 26 08:16:30 heh. Apr 26 08:17:47 I use preware alpha and that works pretty good. Apr 26 08:18:30 and i can update to alpha from within preware? Apr 26 08:18:35 yes Apr 26 08:18:36 say yep, i see the package... Apr 26 08:18:49 you can have both installed at the same time. Apr 26 08:19:20 aesome... Apr 26 08:19:39 it _installed_ successfully... Apr 26 08:19:41 if you have a problem with getting stuck on the feed, quit and disable one feed (or more) Apr 26 08:20:15 ok, Apr 26 08:20:25 okay time for bed here...enjoy! Apr 26 08:20:34 thanks, nite Apr 26 08:21:03 hello Apr 26 08:21:28 hi oil Apr 26 08:21:35 whois k\-t Apr 26 08:23:59 so ipkg.preware.org/* urls can be placed within /opt/etc/ipkg/optware.conf for management within ipkg-opt system? Apr 26 10:09:17 good morning all Apr 26 10:09:28 is terminal still broken in 1.4 Apr 26 10:09:28 ? Apr 26 11:59:32 ~seen sbromwich Apr 26 11:59:52 ~smack nt4cats Apr 26 12:00:18 * nt4cats yells "Bot?? Bot??? Bot!?!?!?! Bot!!!!!!!!!!!" Apr 26 12:05:53 * nt4cats weeps openly Apr 26 12:06:41 k\t: no, ipkg-opt and preware.org are completely separate Apr 26 12:08:33 * nt4cats wonders if I'm on a brain-dead irc server, I don't see anything going on. Gonna try disconnect/reconnect Apr 26 12:17:47 jcrawford: it is nice to see you! Apr 26 12:17:58 nt4cats, how are ya? Apr 26 12:18:08 (I've been here by myself for 20 minutes, was going stir crazy) Apr 26 12:18:10 :) Apr 26 12:18:24 haha Apr 26 12:18:37 i have to go get my coffee for the morning but brb Apr 26 12:20:05 :) Apr 26 12:22:16 ahem Apr 26 12:24:01 back Apr 26 12:27:29 my train is about to head underground and i'm going to lose my EVDO signal ... so I'm going to drop out now Apr 26 12:27:40 * nt4cats passes the baton to jcrawford Apr 26 12:29:38 * jcrawford smacks en0x with the baton and runs Apr 26 12:39:16 is anyone using Pound IRC in here? Apr 26 12:43:50 I just wanted someone to try connecting to a server Apr 26 12:47:27 hrm Apr 26 12:47:48 are you hrm'ing at me? Apr 26 12:48:24 nope Apr 26 12:48:27 just in general Apr 26 12:48:49 ah Apr 26 12:49:10 sorry for any confusion :) Apr 26 12:51:27 well, now that I know the channel is alive... do you use Pound IRC? Apr 26 12:52:09 i do not, sorry Apr 26 12:52:34 :( Apr 26 12:52:34 ah, thanks Apr 26 12:53:15 I used KVIrc4 for a while, it tried to do too much for me. I'm using XChat now, it seems to be a good balance between capable and doesn't-get-in-my-way Apr 26 12:56:01 well, I'm trying to use my palm pre to log in Apr 26 12:57:21 I use XChat at home Apr 26 12:57:37 rwhitby: where is the saved package list stored and how is it supposed to to used to restore a doctorred phone? Apr 26 12:59:45 Anyone? where is the saved package list stored and how is it supposed to to used to restore a doctorred phone? Apr 26 13:03:26 lol @ the taglines in Govnah Apr 26 13:04:26 mjkjr: are you using wirc now? Apr 26 13:04:53 yes bc I'm at work Apr 26 13:05:37 navinag: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Save_and_Restore lists the directories where files are stored ... Apr 26 13:05:50 I have a question for you then -- did you have to change the address for freenode? Apr 26 13:06:13 irc.freenode.net Apr 26 13:06:33 maybe I'm using the wrong app Apr 26 13:06:41 navinag: **I AM NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS** -- but from reading that web page it looks like "/media/internal/saverestore" is what you need to backup from your old phone and then restore to your new phone Apr 26 13:06:42 I have Pound IRC Apr 26 13:07:19 same settings I've used for as long as I've had my phone Apr 26 13:07:20 interesting test: if you are getting sig11 from luna check dmesg for the following before the minicore: Apr 26 13:07:23 [29547.010000] charger_detector: vbus lost (ignored) Apr 26 13:07:24 [29547.010000] twl4030_phy_suspend: irq_disable=0 Apr 26 13:07:26 [29547.010000] phy_suspend: enter Apr 26 13:07:27 navinag: http://bit.ly/holy-grail-of-homebrew explains it all Apr 26 13:07:28 [29547.010000] musb_softconn: off Apr 26 13:07:43 nt4cats: were you looking for me? Apr 26 13:07:46 hayst: are you using wIRC Apr 26 13:08:00 sbromwich: casually, yes. Nothing urgent. Apr 26 13:08:22 ok Apr 26 13:08:29 I am casually not urgent right now Apr 26 13:08:32 rwhitby: i thought the list of save patches could be restored by the saved package list in preware. I seen and empty list upon starting up preware.. I will also lookat the documentation Apr 26 13:08:37 sbromwich: I've been thinking and scripting for the liveCD idea you/Rod cooked up last night ... Apr 26 13:08:56 * sbromwich loves it when people take his handwaving and make something out of it Apr 26 13:09:04 uh-huh? Apr 26 13:09:18 ahhhhhhhhhhh Apr 26 13:09:21 rwhitby: got it Apr 26 13:09:39 yup, got the wrong app then Apr 26 13:09:41 sbromwich: ... and I think what I'm going to do is first bang out a bootstrap script that'll take a Karmic or Fedora box and make it novaterm-ready ... Apr 26 13:09:53 *nod* Apr 26 13:09:56 sbromwich: .. that is a usable stand-alone 'product' itself Apr 26 13:10:27 sbromwich: then as a 2nd step we can package it on a liveCD (targeted for Windoze users, but usable for anyone) Apr 26 13:10:31 my idea was basically someone comes in saying "I can't figure out xyz/I've broken my phone/can't figure out how to get terminal" then they can be pointed at an iso to dl and be on their way Apr 26 13:10:40 nt4cats: http://gitorious.com/webos-internals/bootstrap would be a good home for that script Apr 26 13:10:51 and from there they can novaterm in, doctor it, um, anything else useful Apr 26 13:11:28 sbromwich: yep, I think your vision (a.k.a. hand-wave) is spot-on .. but there is a usable intermediate product, too. Apr 26 13:12:13 * rwhitby notes it's not a new idea, but two other people have previously said they were going to do it and didn't ... Apr 26 13:12:20 *nod* Apr 26 13:12:28 rwhitby: I'll do my best not to be #3 Apr 26 13:12:35 nt4cats: I have faith in you Apr 26 13:12:37 rwhitby: I'm quite willing to suggest stuff and not do anything about it :-) Apr 26 13:12:56 sbromwich: no, this was months ago I'm referring to Apr 26 13:13:15 when I run the repository viewer in quick install I get an error that says "cannot connect to package feed". anyone know a fix for this? Apr 26 13:13:16 *nod* Apr 26 13:14:03 hayst: nope, we all use Preware here :) Apr 26 13:14:24 ah Apr 26 13:14:28 (and the bootstrap script to install it) Apr 26 13:14:31 is that easier? Apr 26 13:15:02 well, you're asking someone who may be slightly biased ... Apr 26 13:15:17 lol Apr 26 13:15:30 rwhitby: would you like me to 'start' my development at that git URL now-ish, or would you like me to get something that sort-of works in place and let you/one-of-your-team commit it there? Apr 26 13:15:35 silly question: what's quick install? Apr 26 13:15:51 haysy: you don't have Prewar!? what are you waiting for? =) Apr 26 13:15:57 nt4cats: as long as you don't overwrite any existing files there, feel free to start there Apr 26 13:16:12 s/haysy/hayst/ Apr 26 13:16:13 mjkjr|wirc meant: hayst: you don't have Prewar!? what are you waiting for? =) Apr 26 13:16:20 I just got my pre Apr 26 13:16:21 dang Apr 26 13:16:45 hayst: what host OS do you use? Apr 26 13:17:26 on the pc? Apr 26 13:17:31 yes Apr 26 13:17:40 windows xp sp2 Apr 26 13:17:42 hayst: http://install.preware.org/ Apr 26 13:19:00 * hayst clicks Apr 26 13:20:01 I can't do it that way, rwhitby, I can't connect to repositories in quick install for some reason Apr 26 13:20:26 hayst: can you connect to the webos-internals feed? Apr 26 13:21:00 how about "access-bootstrap.sh" Apr 26 13:21:16 nt4cats: novaterm-bootstrap.sh ? Apr 26 13:21:22 via browser? yes Apr 26 13:21:30 hayst: via wosqi Apr 26 13:21:41 hayst: I'm assuming you're running wosqi 3.12 Apr 26 13:21:42 rwhitby: preware alpha keeps rewriting the saved package list when its restarted after "restoring the db" usinf save/restore. As a result I only see the currently installed packages...Any thoughts Apr 26 13:22:04 rwhitby: sounds good to me, I wasn't sure if anyone would get pissy if we used the name 'novaterm'. Apr 26 13:22:41 rwhitby: using preware alpha .9.63 Apr 26 13:23:15 navinag: that sounds strange. you ran preware alpha once, then quit it, then ran save restore and did a restore of just that app, then you run preware alpha again ? Apr 26 13:23:39 yes Apr 26 13:23:44 rwhitby: yes Apr 26 13:24:06 rwhitby: no, I cannot connect to the feeds via wosqi 3.12 Apr 26 13:24:34 hayst: try http://get.preware.org/ then Apr 26 13:24:35 should I just download the preware file from precentral and install that way? Apr 26 13:24:48 rwhitby: everytime I restart preware alpha it automatically updates the saved package list...."I am assuming this overwtires the restored list?" Apr 26 13:24:55 ok Apr 26 13:25:16 rwhitby: heh, i don't think i've ever seen that howto for installing preware before ... i'm amused that the homebrew app it suggests installing through preware is luna manager, which you've since merged with preware :) Apr 26 13:26:18 webf: yep, we suffer from a lack of people who are dedicated enough to keep the Preware installation documentation up to date. Apr 26 13:27:01 what I would give for someone how took that as their one single contribution to webos-internals, and did it perfectly for a long time. Apr 26 13:27:25 rwhitby: i know it, keeping everything documented at work is no easier ... but in reality, the tutorial is still worthwhile :) Apr 26 13:27:33 rwhitby: thanks! that worked! Apr 26 13:28:08 * rwhitby bbt - night all Apr 26 13:28:15 anyone know if having too may usb devices plugged into the parent device can cause the stiffness of the voltage to be bad enough to make the pre fail to novacom boot mem? Apr 26 13:28:17 rwhitby: keep it as an open request on precentral, some of those people LOVE to make posts haha Apr 26 13:28:19 night rwhitby Apr 26 13:28:26 g'night Apr 26 13:28:30 damn Apr 26 13:28:35 I keep missing rwhitby Apr 26 13:28:45 sbromwich: that might be, never tried it though Apr 26 13:29:01 sbromwich: I tend to use powered hubs if I have that many devices Apr 26 13:29:20 webf: I'm trying to boot new kernels and failing, so I'm trying old kernels that I know have booted fine in the past no joy Apr 26 13:29:34 Lumiere: good suggestion, I'll go hunt down a powered hub Apr 26 13:29:40 sbromwich: i've got tuesday evening carved out to dive into messaging btw, hopefully no emergencies. Apr 26 13:30:46 sbromwich: oh, i was talking to atlanta about that, nvm :) ... Apr 26 13:32:30 heh, np :-) Apr 26 13:33:18 I guess I should put together a wiki page of a plan for crosscompile/build.git Apr 26 13:45:08 I don't have commit rights on that repository (http://gitorious.com/webos-internals/bootstrap). Should I mail my commit(s) to someone, or is there a "use {this} workflow" set of instructions somewhere? Apr 26 13:46:07 rwhitby would be your best bet Apr 26 13:46:35 he handled getting my ssh keys on the various servers for me Apr 26 13:49:18 nt4cats: if you can commit to a local branch Apr 26 13:49:24 you can keep all your commits going locally Apr 26 13:49:37 Lumiere: I've done that already Apr 26 13:49:39 then once you have your keys you can merge Apr 26 13:49:49 (push) Apr 26 13:49:52 morning Apr 26 13:50:15 one of the reasons so many people have moved from svn/cvs to distributed rcs systems Apr 26 13:50:21 is offline commits Apr 26 13:51:19 Lumiere: I want to make sure I cloned the repo the right way to start with so that I can push later ... I doubt that "git clone http://git.gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap.git" is right because http doesn't normally involve keys Apr 26 13:51:53 lumiere: ... or is it no issue to change the shared repository URL later? Apr 26 13:53:04 nt4cats: you should be able to rebase later Apr 26 13:53:20 Lumiere: okay, then I'll proceed without worry. Apr 26 13:53:47 nt4cats: worse case scenario you could always diff the 2 and lose the commit logging Apr 26 13:54:14 Lumiere: I recently started using git at work, so I'm at the 'crawl' stage with git right now. I know what a clone, check in, pull, push, etc. is ... Apr 26 13:54:56 Lumiere: agreed, but if there was a 'right' way to clone the repo now to start with and not lose the logging that'd be better, that's all. Apr 26 13:54:57 nt4cats: that last one is not git Apr 26 13:55:32 nt4cats: I don't know enough about git to know how stable it is changing repositories (I use bzr more) Apr 26 13:55:35 The "etc.", "is", or "..." are not git? My version of git supports all of them Apr 26 13:56:11 git is {foo}, git ... {bar}, git etc. {whatever} -- all work for me Apr 26 13:56:14 my last comment Apr 26 13:56:16 not yours ;) Apr 26 13:57:10 once you have Rod's blessing the url is git+ssh//{blah} Apr 26 13:57:31 I would assume so Apr 26 14:21:29 Lumiere: in my local repository clone, in there is a file .git/config -- it is plain text. There is a repository URL in there. I bet that if/when I get commit rights I can just change the URL there and everything will just work (because all of the commit hashes are the same) Apr 26 14:25:00 nt4cats: use the command that does it Apr 26 14:25:07 2:1 rwhitby knows it Apr 26 14:31:35 Lumiere: *nod* ... but seeing that URL there in the .git directory convinces me that this is a non-issue, my local commits will move over easily Apr 26 14:34:46 yea Apr 26 14:57:56 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Reverse_Tethering <- Is reverse tethering possible with windows using USB rather than linux as the host? Apr 26 15:00:12 sup all Apr 26 15:02:02 quick ? as usuall is there a zip program I can use on the pre to zip some pics so I can email ? Apr 26 15:02:14 I have a question about Govnah, and I feel dumb for having to ask it... but are the changes I make after tapping the "Govener" heading supposed to work, or are they just "this is what it will work like later"? Apr 26 15:02:44 DrFunk- I haven't heard of one Apr 26 15:03:22 internalz by Jason miiiight do it, but I haven't tried Apr 26 15:03:45 there has to be one flare576 we use *nix Apr 26 15:03:53 DrFunk: optware includes bzip2, gzip, zip/unzip Apr 26 15:04:08 nt4cats: thanks Apr 26 15:04:09 DrFunk: but those are command-line Apr 26 15:04:15 I no Apr 26 15:04:30 I can open terminal and do it correct nt4cats Apr 26 15:05:01 DrFunk: Yes you can do it from a terminal, ssh, or novaterm window. To setup optware http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Optware Apr 26 15:06:40 DrFunk: here are the archive tool packages I see in Optware ... http://webos.pastebin.com/pGTWjQji Apr 26 15:07:51 I have optware just have to remember the command now to zip lol Apr 26 15:08:17 DrFunk: I assume you're aware that pictures won't really compress much (or at all) using zip Apr 26 15:08:41 bzip they should Apr 26 15:10:22 hey im having problems getting the sms text per contact patch to update on my phone it keeps saying there's an error what should I do? Apr 26 15:10:22 nt4cats: is that correct or no Apr 26 15:10:25 I have a better question about govnah (and I guess cpu scaling in general): can you make changes without a restart? Apr 26 15:10:47 DrFunk: I wouldn't expect much/any compression from *zip tools on images. Apr 26 15:11:16 ok nt4cats thanks Apr 26 15:11:28 DrFunk: ... but if you compress/archive them and put them in /media/internal/ you should be able to attach them to outgoing e-mails Apr 26 15:11:55 that's what I'm trting to do Apr 26 15:11:56 DrFunk: I assumed you wanted to use zip so you could send out a bunch of images at once instead of having to attach them one-by-one. That makes some sense .... Apr 26 15:12:09 correct Apr 26 15:12:19 one by one would take forever Apr 26 15:12:31 DrFunk: ... so using zip to grab a bunch of pics at once makes some sense .. but I wouldn't expect them to get smaller as part of the process. Apr 26 15:12:49 DrFunk: you should be wary of maximum e-mail and attachment sizes, however. Apr 26 15:13:24 should be ok it's 10 pics but don't want to do one by one Apr 26 15:13:29 take way too long Apr 26 15:14:11 can anyone one help with getting the sms text per contact to update on my phone? Apr 26 15:14:36 sky: need more info about problem. Apr 26 15:14:44 lots of errors out there Apr 26 15:15:02 most of them PEBCAK ;) Apr 26 15:15:35 it keeps say there a error when i try to update or delete it keeps giving me a ipkeg thingy Apr 26 15:15:51 update ipkg Apr 26 15:15:58 yeah, see, that's not specific :) Apr 26 15:16:05 DrFunk: if that's all you're trying to do, do this ... Apr 26 15:16:36 how do i update the ipkg? Apr 26 15:16:38 DrFunk: (no quotes) "tar cjvf /media/internal/my-pictures.tar.bz2 {pic1} {pic2} {pic3} ..." Apr 26 15:17:03 DrFunk: and replace {pic*} with the picture names or you can do a wildcard Apr 26 15:17:07 DrFunk so it can be: Apr 26 15:17:15 chances are that the files the patch is trying to change are already in a different state than the patcher expects Apr 26 15:17:33 nt4cats: is it tar - civf ? Apr 26 15:18:03 so what does that mean? who would i contact about fixing it? Apr 26 15:18:15 tar cjvf /media/internal/my-pictures.tar.bz2 CIMG0049.mp4 CIMG0034.jpg CIMG0035.jpg CIMG0036.jpg CIMG0037.jpg Apr 26 15:18:16 -or- Apr 26 15:18:34 tar cjvf /media/internal/my-pictures.tar.bz2 CIMG003*.jpg Apr 26 15:19:30 tar followed by "c" (create new archive) "j" (use bzip2 compression) "v" (verbose output during create) "f" (the next argument is the name of the archive file to create) Apr 26 15:19:30 it would be useful if you could get the error log first sky, then we could know the problem. if you look in the root of your USB drive (/media/internal) you'll find the error log Apr 26 15:19:50 nt4cats: check pm Apr 26 15:19:51 DrFunk: I would actually recommend you drop the "j" and just create the archive without compressions Apr 26 15:19:59 DrFunk: I have no PMs Apr 26 15:20:03 hmmm Apr 26 15:20:10 DrFunk: spell my nick correctly, try again Apr 26 15:20:15 lmao Apr 26 15:20:41 notForCats! Apr 26 15:20:42 oh so just connect the phone to the computer then look in the folder? Apr 26 15:21:10 yeah, that'll give smarter folks than me a better chance of helping you Apr 26 15:21:30 if you connect via USB drive, it'll be in the main folder when you connect Apr 26 15:21:38 but I need to head out, wife is ready to head to work! Apr 26 15:21:48 /media/interal/ is the folder that is what you see when you connect the Pre as USB Apr 26 15:23:24 nt4cats: so just do tar cjvf /media/internal blah.tar.bz2 ladybug*jpg ?? Apr 26 15:23:34 ok man i see alot of letters and numbers in these folders Apr 26 15:24:44 tar /media/internal/blah.tar.bz2 ladybug*jpg Apr 26 15:24:48 ack Apr 26 15:25:00 tar cjvf /media/internal/blah.tar.bz2 ladybug*jpg Apr 26 15:25:11 (sorry forgot the arguments to 'tar' the first time) Apr 26 15:25:26 If you take my advice to skip the bzip2 compression you'd do: Apr 26 15:25:41 tar cvf /media/internal/blah.tar ladybug*jpg Apr 26 15:28:47 nt4cats: it's not tar - cvf ? Apr 26 15:29:04 DrFunk: no dash needed in this case Apr 26 15:29:16 bc I just did it the way you said and nogood Apr 26 15:30:32 DrFunk: works for me http://webos.pastebin.com/nXVrkv6b Apr 26 15:30:54 DrFunk: notice that my 'current' directory is the place where the pictures are stored ... that is important. Apr 26 15:32:55 nt4cats: lost u Apr 26 15:33:38 DrFunk1: that syntax works for me. See http://webos.pastebin.com/nXVrkv6b Apr 26 15:33:45 DrFunk1: notice that my 'current' directory is the place where the pictures are stored ... that is important. Apr 26 15:34:10 my pics are in media internal Apr 26 15:34:32 wherever they are that is fine, just run the 'tar' command from therer Apr 26 15:34:37 s/therer/there/ Apr 26 15:34:37 nt4cats meant: wherever they are that is fine, just run the 'tar' command from there Apr 26 15:35:08 in my case the pics are in /media/internal/DCIM/100PALM/ Apr 26 15:35:15 in the media internal Apr 26 15:38:07 nt4cats: hmm bzip broken pipe now what Apr 26 15:41:10 DrFunk1: are you typing this stuff on your Pre (using Terminal/Terminus) or on your PC? Apr 26 15:42:00 using terminal Apr 26 15:43:04 DrFunk1: type (no quotes) "pwd" and press enter. Tell me what is says. Then tell me exactly the "tar" command you typed. Apr 26 15:44:07 ./media/internal Apr 26 15:44:12 no dot Apr 26 15:46:04 tar cvf /media/internal lady.tar lady*jpg Apr 26 15:46:35 you need a slash between the word "internal" and "lady" Apr 26 15:46:46 tar cvf /media/internal/lady.tar lady.jpg Apr 26 15:46:59 ack Apr 26 15:47:08 one sec going to try again Apr 26 15:47:22 s/lady.jpg/lady*jpg/ Apr 26 15:47:23 nt4cats meant: tar cvf /media/internal/lady.tar lady*jpg Apr 26 15:49:20 ok think that worked Apr 26 15:50:49 thanks a lot nt4cats Apr 26 15:51:33 DrFunk1: No worries. Next time someone asks for help (or obviously needs help) at something you're good at, please help them. Apr 26 15:51:49 will do Apr 26 15:51:58 or try to do Apr 26 15:52:00 :) Apr 26 15:53:49 DrFunk1: ... you're also welcome to send $$$ to the webos-internals.org folks (their donation page is http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals:Site_support). I bet they'd be happy even to take small donations. Apr 26 15:54:14 I have Apr 26 15:54:26 different nick Apr 26 15:54:35 DrFunk1: you're a good man/woman/robot, then. Apr 26 15:54:40 lol Apr 26 15:54:45 robot Apr 26 15:55:20 lunch arrived! Apr 26 15:55:28 what u got? Apr 26 15:56:15 I'm going to have roast beef and gravey Apr 26 15:56:18 we ordered from a place called "wrap shack" -- so I got a meatball wrap (your basic meatball sandwich on a wrap), with bacon+cheese fries, and a side of mozzerella sticks. Apr 26 15:56:24 Ya know, a diet lunch. Apr 26 15:56:27 something small and healthy. Apr 26 15:56:35 lmao Apr 26 15:56:37 (especially the bacon+cheese fries) Apr 26 15:56:43 nt4cats: sound yummy Apr 26 15:56:51 en0x: agreed. Apr 26 15:57:07 * nt4cats toddles off to eat his tiny + tasty lunch ... Apr 26 15:57:08 I have to try that bacon and cheese fries Apr 26 15:57:17 sounds good Apr 26 15:58:21 geist: it seems tellbootie recover fails if airline mode is on, is that intentional? Apr 26 16:04:11 time to drive bbl Apr 26 16:05:45 I assume rwhitby is asleep? got a bug in Preware Alpha Apr 26 16:06:33 VincentLaw: tell me Apr 26 16:07:09 ok Apr 26 16:07:17 here's what I did: Apr 26 16:08:28 * zsoc_wirc listens Apr 26 16:08:37 Open Preware Alpha without the option to auto-update feeds. Thus using cached data. Go to list of everything. from there, update the feeds. when the feeds are finished updating, the text of all the applications/patches changes and updates as one would expect, but the icons do not, AND if you select any of them, it seems you get the item that was there before the feed update Apr 26 16:09:05 VincentLaw: let me try to verify that Apr 26 16:10:28 i'm going to meet some palm people .. bbl Apr 26 16:10:28 alright Apr 26 16:10:44 It's hard for me to reproduce the steps as I would kinda have to wait for the feeds to have something new again :P Apr 26 16:12:16 dtzWill: In the example you showed me, what's the significance of all the kdrive stuff? Does that pertain to anything I want to do with opengl or can I just ignore it? Apr 26 16:13:16 VincentLaw: yep, I verified the icon part Apr 26 16:13:28 rly? :>' Apr 26 16:14:00 zsoc|away: and do you get a different app upon selecting something? Apr 26 16:14:51 VincentLaw: no that I can't reproduce Apr 26 16:15:02 hmph Apr 26 16:15:18 well I'll wait for another update on the feeds and see if that happens again Apr 26 16:15:19 hmmm Apr 26 16:16:02 so I know I can't make a script that does everything metadoctor does since I'm such a bash newb, but I think I CAN make one for verizon 1.4.0 only and do most of the stuff Apr 26 16:17:11 if you update from a list/view scene, i don't believe it refreshes when it returns Apr 26 16:19:31 Tman_mac: kdrive is entirely x-related, and not related to what you're doing Apr 26 16:20:16 wait wtf.... pre plus is connected to schools wifi Apr 26 16:24:33 dtzWill: ok. still getting lines going in the wrong places.. are the GL dimensions 320x480 or something else? Apr 26 16:30:49 lunch? Apr 26 16:30:56 * oilsworkn like just got to work Apr 26 16:31:06 you missed the bacon cheese fries. Apr 26 16:33:53 oilsworkn, I guess it hasn't hit the feedyet. Apr 26 16:41:10 Any idea why I can't apply patches to the emulator? Just returns It Apr 26 16:41:11 returns "An error occured while attempting to run Apr 26 16:41:36 ugh, linux copy/paste behaviour Apr 26 16:45:20 ka6sox: you could always download and package the app yourself Apr 26 16:46:23 lol! Apr 26 16:49:01 ipkg log: lsdiff syntax error ")" unexpected - patch: syntax error: ")" unexpected also - any ideas? Apr 26 16:58:44 preoccupied: ty for the email. apparently media capture is 100 percent borked in 0.5.6, so I have to fix that first Apr 26 17:01:00 zsoc_wirc: yeah, no prob. I'll update the wiki once you get it all sorted out Apr 26 17:10:54 Does anyone know why I can't install patches to the emulator? lsdiff and gnu patch are returning syntax errors. Apr 26 17:12:56 i'd go ahead and say there are syntax errors Apr 26 17:14:19 bpadalino|work: what ever happened to precomd? Apr 26 17:15:02 bpadalino|work: How helpful of you. Apr 26 17:15:25 (sorry if that seemed either/both abrupt and/or out-of-left-field -- I was just browsing gitorious and saw the project and that you were the most recent committer) Apr 26 17:15:27 kirbz: you're not giving us enough information to help you Apr 26 17:16:33 Someone explained in another channel that lsdiff and the patches are designed for arm and not x86 Apr 26 17:16:46 nt4cats: it still exists Apr 26 17:16:59 bpadalino|work: does it work? Apr 26 17:17:03 it should Apr 26 17:17:12 as long as you have the appropriate libusb stuff there Apr 26 17:17:21 kirbz: patches are js, those are not arch dependent Apr 26 17:17:23 it's not as elegant as novacomd and whatnot .. Apr 26 17:17:38 but it works and understands the protocol Apr 26 17:18:44 bpadalino: ... that's interesting. I'm working on a "novacom-bootstrap" that has a dual purpose: 1) to automate setting up Pre access for people with Ubuntu or Fedora, and 2) to be provided on a LiveCD called "boot this to access your Pre" for newB's and Windows users Apr 26 17:18:58 zsoc_wirc: I see. Thanks for your help :) It's tough to break into this developing thing without people to guide you Apr 26 17:19:45 lsdiff is available in both archs Apr 26 17:21:47 nt4cats: check it out and give it a shot .. it should work fine as long as you have libusb-0.13 i think .. or libusb-compat installed and libusb-1.0 Apr 26 17:21:55 zsoc_wirc: thanks but I'm out of my depth - take care Apr 26 17:24:51 nt4cats: someone was working on packaging precomd with libusb, or compiling statically Apr 26 17:25:26 that was for windows Apr 26 17:25:38 but it gets hairy without including a dll Apr 26 17:25:51 right, but in theory we can do the same for a linux package Apr 26 17:25:56 i think if you stuck with linux, it would be easier Apr 26 17:28:28 Are there known issues with 1.4.0 and bluetooth headsets? I find my BT is often disconnected after I connect it to Palm Pre Plus. Apr 26 17:37:50 hey chuq Apr 26 17:43:08 hey howdy Apr 26 17:43:35 devdays all over? Apr 26 17:44:05 * oilsworkn regrets not going Apr 26 17:44:59 yeah i am curious when the videos will be processed/posted .. i am curious to see the keynote and read more about db8 Apr 26 17:45:25 * oilsworkn too Apr 26 17:46:31 * Mercury is curious as to if there's going to be another release in the next few weeks, since the average has been around once per month. Apr 26 17:47:08 we will get one in june i believe Apr 26 17:47:49 next release of... webos? Apr 26 17:47:53 Yeah. Apr 26 17:48:33 because they said that in June we will get more pdk apps etc... so before that they need to update webos Apr 26 17:49:24 Hmm, so maybe two months, argh. Apr 26 17:49:26 afaik webos already supports pdk apps :) Apr 26 17:49:36 oilsworkn: yes but they are not sandboxed :p Apr 26 17:49:55 bah, just ignore that Apr 26 17:50:01 yayaya Apr 26 17:50:05 I wouldn't be surprised if there is another 1.4.x release in may Apr 26 17:50:18 there won't be... not so many bugs Apr 26 17:50:57 pretty much 1.4.1 fixed all the bugs that 1.4.0 had... so imho they will jump straight to 1.5 Apr 26 18:20:03 hey destinal-wirc Apr 26 18:22:58 sbromwich: any suggestions for how the min/max temp should be displayed? Apr 26 18:24:11 left and right of current temperature? Apr 26 18:24:43 maybe with lowest in icy cold blue, highest in hotness red? Apr 26 18:24:47 my guess is 1.4.5 is may, for what it's worth Apr 26 18:25:08 sbromwich++ Apr 26 18:25:36 I say that without being able to look at it at the moment as I just doctored and I'm reconfiguring Apr 26 18:25:52 i like the color idea, but i think the colors should match the actual temperature .. not just "hey this is the max and it's hot" Apr 26 18:25:58 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:Govnah_themes.png is what it looks like Apr 26 18:26:32 s/tine/time/ ? Apr 26 18:26:54 thats already been fixed Apr 26 18:26:58 its an old screenshot Apr 26 18:27:03 ah ok Apr 26 18:27:15 i didn't even notice i typed it wrong, rwhitby noticed and fixed it before it was released Apr 26 18:28:13 oilsworkn: maybe immediately to the right of where it says TEMPERATURE have "MAX:" in superscript and "MIN:" in subscript? Apr 26 18:28:19 however, i think putting it right there might get in the way of seeing the current temp Apr 26 18:28:35 (putting it around it anyways) Apr 26 18:28:49 it might work in 2 rows right there Apr 26 18:28:59 keep the min/max to the detail page ? Apr 26 18:29:34 well right now the detail page sucks Apr 26 18:29:35 lol Apr 26 18:29:41 have a "matrix" option where numbers just keep scrolling down the screen. Apr 26 18:29:59 Linux palm-webos-device 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 PREEMPT Tue Apr 20 20:11:47 UTC 2010 armv7l unknown Apr 26 18:30:04 fricken *finally* Apr 26 18:33:29 the problem with the full-screen graphs, is how few points the y axis gets for most of this data Apr 26 18:34:13 how many pixels is it? Apr 26 18:34:34 sbromwich: preempt workin? Apr 26 18:35:00 it is with the old kernel... I'm working my way step by step to get to a state I knew was working before ;-) Apr 26 18:35:48 I dunno what happened but my phone just started randomly (and mostly) rebooting off flash when asked to boot off memory Apr 26 18:36:07 only thing I can think of is my phone is in airplane mode with wifi on Apr 26 18:36:14 may need to visit the Doctor after all those battery pulls Apr 26 18:36:24 that's exactly what I did Apr 26 18:36:27 oh Apr 26 18:36:36 surprisingly the first time I've ever had to run it Apr 26 18:36:41 sbromwich: how many pixels is what? Apr 26 18:36:45 the graph scene? Apr 26 18:36:54 i'm debating posting on P|C so i can test my compucache kernel Apr 26 18:36:58 oilsworkn: pixels per graph Apr 26 18:36:58 320x452? Apr 26 18:37:27 on the main scene its like 30x320 Apr 26 18:37:50 the problem is that most of the graphs are only going to have 5 or 6 seperate y axis points Apr 26 18:38:06 so they look not very graph like Apr 26 18:38:06 lol Apr 26 18:38:10 why so few points ? Apr 26 18:38:22 thats just how it ends up? Apr 26 18:38:34 you can get 30 - 50 degrees, can't you ? Apr 26 18:38:48 like frequency, its only ever 125,250,500,550,600,720,800 Apr 26 18:38:51 well, just being able to tie freq, temp and load av together is tres useful Apr 26 18:39:35 oilsworkn: maybe that should be a growing bar graph .. where it all adds up to 1 at the end, but the stack sizes change over time ? Apr 26 18:39:39 know what i mean ? Apr 26 18:39:56 a stacked chart Apr 26 18:40:09 would that even make sense for frequency? Apr 26 18:40:19 not like a total would really matter Apr 26 18:40:23 lol Apr 26 18:40:39 http://peltiertech.com/images/2009-06/calories-tornado-Jeff.png .. take a line like those on the right .. flip it vertical .. and move it with time .. Apr 26 18:40:45 the histogram for time in state will probably be pretty sexy :) Apr 26 18:40:47 hmmmm Apr 26 18:40:49 python Apr 26 18:40:50 tempting Apr 26 18:40:52 the percentages at each frequency will change over time Apr 26 18:41:15 but you get an idea of what is growing .. Apr 26 18:41:22 bpadalino|work: time in state will be *something* like that Apr 26 18:42:42 i also think there can be a textual menu which tells you min/max/average type of stats just in textual format below the graph .. no need to for it to clutter up what you're looking at .. Apr 26 18:43:17 below the main scene graph? Apr 26 18:43:25 or the graph scene? Apr 26 18:43:45 either or .. maybe as a drop down when you click the graph .. Apr 26 18:44:23 well clicking that row on the main scene takes you to the graph scene Apr 26 18:45:04 and i guess i am saying maybe it should just reveal some more information for you and not necessarily switch scenes completely ? Apr 26 18:45:32 maybe pressing any of the graph rows Apr 26 18:45:39 could expand that row slightly Apr 26 18:45:45 and add substantial information Apr 26 18:45:52 right Apr 26 18:45:57 (without going full y which would look silly) Apr 26 18:46:33 also... "TINE IN STATE" ? Apr 26 18:46:52 if you doubled the height of any one of those graphs Apr 26 18:47:01 * halfhalo is going to attempt to use python instead of bash for an easier metadoctor script Apr 26 18:47:01 you couyld run a row of numbers across the top Apr 26 18:47:19 multiply the height of the graph by 1.5 and still show everything Apr 26 18:47:22 Lumiere: it should read TIME .. he said he addressed that Apr 26 18:47:27 ok :) Apr 26 18:47:31 Lumiere: that typo is only in the screenshot Apr 26 18:47:35 lol Apr 26 18:47:46 would anyone here know why preware no longer shows me my installed packages after intalling (the removing) the uber kernel? Apr 26 18:47:57 i think the histogram is a little misleading .. and every other graph has t as the x axis .. except that graph Apr 26 18:48:01 then* removing Apr 26 18:48:02 which i think is a little weird Apr 26 18:48:44 the little bar graph was the only way i could think to display that info on the main scene Apr 26 18:48:47 without it looking like crap Apr 26 18:48:58 i plan to have the full-screen version of it be a 100% stacked line graph Apr 26 18:49:14 stacked line didn't work well for the small one ? Apr 26 18:49:19 oilsworkn: what are the states there? Apr 26 18:49:32 lol new app in palm web feed Apr 26 18:49:40 frequency Apr 26 18:49:42 125mhz on left Apr 26 18:49:42 800 on right Apr 26 18:49:47 "IM SO FUCKING RICH" - $999.99 Apr 26 18:49:57 [; Apr 26 18:50:17 and the height is determined by the time in that state Apr 26 18:50:37 but the full screen will be something like this: Apr 26 18:50:37 http://infosthetics.com/archives/people_time_spend.jpg Apr 26 18:50:42 could you do a left to right stacked bar? Apr 26 18:50:45 hmmm.... this is interesting.... Apr 26 18:50:58 with colors? Apr 26 18:51:05 a color for each frequency Apr 26 18:51:07 yea Apr 26 18:51:23 of the total Apr 26 18:51:24 and the height of each would be determined by the % in that state at that time Apr 26 18:51:31 yep Apr 26 18:51:37 thats how it looks in my head anyways Apr 26 18:51:40 weather or not i can code it is another story :) Apr 26 18:51:47 oilsworkn: you should do that on the main scene Apr 26 18:51:55 it would work Apr 26 18:52:03 lol Apr 26 18:52:04 as if there was space for it Apr 26 18:52:31 it'll be fine! Apr 26 18:52:54 right now the main scene is super sexy Apr 26 18:53:02 the last thing i want to do is ruin that :) Apr 26 18:53:10 but you could also run something like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Comparaison-revenus-partis-politiques-allemands-absolu-2006-fr.svg Apr 26 18:53:12 it's decent, but i wouldn't go so far as to say it's super sexy Apr 26 18:53:50 psh Apr 26 18:54:30 that svg is not loading on this shitty connection at work Apr 26 18:54:39 heh Apr 26 18:54:46 but as im leaving for lunch, ill have a look see at home Apr 26 18:55:05 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GPRI.JPG Apr 26 18:55:06 doh Apr 26 18:59:20 Lumiere: yeah i think he gets it .. i just think he is skeptical that it can look OK on the main scene Apr 26 19:00:05 wawawa Apr 26 19:00:42 ok, this is gonna suck. don't know if classis canceled or not Apr 26 19:01:39 hmmmm Apr 26 19:03:51 * halfhalo-pre is now attempting to program in python. he knows no python Apr 26 19:04:46 watch your whitespace Apr 26 19:06:06 heh Apr 26 19:06:12 well, I would but laptop won't connect to wifi Apr 26 19:06:38 wait Apr 26 19:06:42 there it goes Apr 26 19:08:35 * nt4cats has realized that he'll buy pretty much any Pre 3D game when they hit the "on sale for $0.99" price point Apr 26 19:09:28 I've had zero interest in "Glyder 2" before today (even though it gets reviewed well), saw it was $0.99 today and hit the buy button right away. Apr 26 19:09:54 halfhalo-pre: go take a look at the tutorial Apr 26 19:10:02 halfhalo-pre: python is really easy to pick up Apr 26 19:10:21 yeah, I gathered Apr 26 19:10:43 halfhalo-pre: I liked 'dive into python' -- an entire Python book online for free Apr 26 19:10:45 if you have questions #python here (or ask in here and I bet someone can help) Apr 26 19:11:06 halfhalo-pre: I'd be glad to have you bounce Python questions off of me Apr 26 19:11:15 I helped develop some of the Python version of How to Think Like a Computer Scientist's python version Apr 26 19:11:47 can anyone help me figure out why preware doesn't see my installed apps after a kernel install (and removal)? Apr 26 19:11:54 halfhalo-pre: http://diveintopython.org/ Apr 26 19:11:57 * Lumiere was a presenter for IPC 8 and 9 Apr 26 19:12:18 * nt4cats was a presenter at IPC 10, 11, and 12. Apr 26 19:12:25 heh, just trying to get it to uncompress tarfile right now Apr 26 19:12:42 nt4cats: just missed each other :) Apr 26 19:13:22 nt4cats: Jeffery Elkner (if you look at the how to think like a computer scientist) was my HS Comp Sci teacher Apr 26 19:13:29 Lumiere: I don't actually know what IPC is (Int'l Python Conference?) ... and I assume that "8" and "9" meant 2008, 2009 ... so thought that saying I did 2010, 2011, and 2012 would be sort of silly Apr 26 19:13:54 IPC was wrapped into another conference Apr 26 19:14:22 8 and 9 were like 2000 to 2002 Apr 26 19:15:38 Lumiere: ahh, I was attempting to one-up your credentials in an obviously-not-true/silly way ... and failed miserably. Apr 26 19:15:46 I know :) Apr 26 19:15:49 * nt4cats hangs head in shame Apr 26 19:15:59 anyways it was wrapped into OSCON Apr 26 19:17:23 ok, how do I check if a folder or file exists... laptop wifi is borken right now so no googles Apr 26 19:17:55 os.path.exists("bob.txt") Apr 26 19:18:49 os.path.exists("put your file or path here") should work for you Apr 26 19:18:56 yup Apr 26 19:18:58 does Apr 26 19:19:17 if you want to know if it is a file os.path.isfile("filename here") Apr 26 19:19:21 crap Apr 26 19:19:34 ubuntu eating up battery Apr 26 19:19:46 power.adapter.insert() Apr 26 19:20:10 from power import adapter Apr 26 19:20:14 adapter.insert() Apr 26 19:20:30 (power module... oh god the puns) Apr 26 19:24:11 how the hell do I screw up a simple print.... all I want to do right now is print os.getpwd() and it's no working Apr 26 19:25:30 halfhalo-pre: that's because it is os.getcwd() Apr 26 19:25:58 that's what I have. misstyped in irc Apr 26 19:26:05 halfhalo-pre: in the absence of any documentation, let me show you something useful .. the dir() command. Apr 26 19:26:35 halfhalo-pre: open up your python shell (type "python" at the command prompt), and then at the >>> prompt type "import os" (no quotes) and press enter. Apr 26 19:26:45 it's... saying syntax error... at ( Apr 26 19:27:00 and I know of the interactivemode Apr 26 19:27:08 halfhalo-pre: after that say (no quotes) "dir(os)" and press enter. Apr 26 19:27:08 have that open as well Apr 26 19:27:36 halfhalo-pre: that'll show you all of the attributes and methods of the "os" module Apr 26 19:28:11 yeah, I know that Apr 26 19:28:12 the other trick is Apr 26 19:28:20 once you have os imported Apr 26 19:28:23 >>> import os Apr 26 19:28:23 >>> os.getcwd() Apr 26 19:28:23 '/home/ddenardo/tmp/4361' Apr 26 19:28:23 >>> Apr 26 19:28:30 try "help(os)" Apr 26 19:28:49 this is just me eing retarted and not being able to makea two line thing work Apr 26 19:29:02 Lumiere: I've been using Python full-time for a year, never knew about help(). Wow. Apr 26 19:29:26 * Lumiere remembers a time before help() Apr 26 19:30:10 ok Apr 26 19:30:14 am retarted Apr 26 19:30:23 hello Apr 26 19:30:24 forgon #! thingie Apr 26 19:30:41 #!/usr/bin/env python Apr 26 19:30:42 ;) Apr 26 19:30:48 halfhalo-pre: let me guess, you weren't using your laptop, but were carving "os.getcwd()" into your etch-a-sketch Apr 26 19:30:58 yes Apr 26 19:31:09 can anyone help me to install preware it dont works on my pre 1.4.1 :( Apr 26 19:31:09 halfhalo-pre: I do that all the time Apr 26 19:31:12 cant install Apr 26 19:31:28 emre: which instructions are you following? Apr 26 19:31:44 http://preware.org/#/index/ Apr 26 19:31:57 i was on step 5 Apr 26 19:32:10 but after restart thare wasn a preware button at my pre Apr 26 19:33:14 emre: the step numbers are not unique in this set of instructions Apr 26 19:33:44 emre: which install guide were you following (windows/linux/macintosh/QOQI)? Apr 26 19:33:48 ... Apr 26 19:33:51 aaah windows Apr 26 19:33:51 :) Apr 26 19:33:55 sorry :) Apr 26 19:34:16 ... and this is the heading you're talking about "Step 5: Update the Package Manager Service and Preware"? Apr 26 19:34:37 no i am thare 1. Tap Launcher 2. Tap Preware Apr 26 19:34:42 which preware ? where Apr 26 19:34:49 i have installed and restarted my pre Apr 26 19:34:57 but where is the preware logo on my pre? Apr 26 19:35:07 in the launcher Apr 26 19:35:15 on the bottom Apr 26 19:35:22 o just type preware Apr 26 19:35:25 s/o/or/ Apr 26 19:35:26 en0x meant: or just type preware Apr 26 19:35:27 emre: if it worked it should be on the bottom of the left-most page in your installer Apr 26 19:36:38 i think the installations was not correct because when i search preware on my pre i cant find anything :S Apr 26 19:36:41 damn ^^ Apr 26 19:37:28 ok other question is it easyer to install over quick installer ? and does it work realy with 1.4.1? Apr 26 19:41:13 emre: I think both paths are pretty easy ... Apr 26 19:42:08 okey thanks :) Apr 26 19:43:22 can someone verify media capture breaks precorder in 0.5.6? Apr 26 19:43:41 zsoc_wirc: I can if you tell me what that means Apr 26 19:43:54 zsoc_wirc: talk ssllooww, I'm old. Apr 26 19:44:10 nt4cats: do you have precorder 0.5.6 installed from testing feed? Apr 26 19:44:29 why doesn't preware see my installed packages after a kernel update? Apr 26 19:45:05 HattCzech: sounds like a corrupt status file. first I've heard of that. you can try the emer reconstruction util Apr 26 19:45:08 zsoc_wirc: nope I have 0.5.3 installed. I'll pop 0.5.6 on here if it'd help Apr 26 19:45:25 nt4cats: uninstall 0.5.3, install 0.5.6 from scratch Apr 26 19:45:44 nt4cats: select 'media capture' on the top toggle Apr 26 19:45:53 Rick_work: g'day Apr 26 19:46:11 zsoc, let me try that. thanks Apr 26 19:46:15 0.5.3 gone. Waiting 20 minutes while preware spins and loads package information ... Apr 26 19:46:36 nt4cats: Install Preware Alpha, it's 3 times faster. Apr 26 19:47:20 zsoc_wirc: I have to update my feeds. The latest precorder I see is 0.5.5 (but there is an update to JigglyBoobies!) Apr 26 19:47:24 plus it has a much smaller memory impact. Apr 26 19:47:50 nt4cats: haha. Apr 26 19:48:25 * nt4cats thought about paying $0.99 for JigglyBoobies -- not because I wanted it, per se, but because it is exactly the sort of thing that my wife would expect me to buy. Apr 26 19:48:37 Jiggly Jiggly! Apr 26 19:48:54 nt4cats: Lookit da jiggly! Apr 26 19:49:47 CTLAdvance_dunch: Dunch? sounds painful Apr 26 19:49:59 is dunch Apr 26 19:50:10 where they make you wear a dunce cap through lunch? Apr 26 19:50:11 installing 0.5.6 ... Apr 26 19:50:17 is that a dutch lunch or something between dinner and lunch? Apr 26 19:50:22 zsoc, that fixed my problem. thanks again! Apr 26 19:50:23 (note I need to leave for the early train in 5 minutes) Apr 26 19:50:40 HattCzech: ^_^ Apr 26 19:50:55 nt4cats: Bah! Wait for the craaaazzeeee train Apr 26 19:50:59 installed ... running ... Apr 26 19:51:09 selected media capture Apr 26 19:51:15 Marajin_: any train nt4cats is on... is the craaaazzeeee train ;) Apr 26 19:51:30 (doesn't seem broken yet) Apr 26 19:51:57 should I use preware alpha from now on? Apr 26 19:52:08 zsoc_wirc: media capture selected in 0.5.6, waiting to see if/when it will break Apr 26 19:52:16 (maybe I need to click more) Apr 26 19:52:40 nt4cats: is the counter counting? Apr 26 19:52:57 No, but I didn't click any other buttons (e.g. record) Apr 26 19:53:20 nt4cats: right. I meant when you hit record:= Apr 26 19:53:22 I opened precorder, selected "media capture" from the top, and am patiently waiting to see if you ask me to click anywhere else Apr 26 19:53:34 I have no media playing, does that matter? Apr 26 19:54:09 nt4cats: it should not Apr 26 19:54:18 clicking record .... now. Apr 26 19:54:35 it says "recording", counter still says 0:00:00.00 Apr 26 19:54:48 ... counter still says 0:00:00.00 Apr 26 19:54:55 nt4cats: right. and when you hit stop it should implode Apr 26 19:54:55 ... counter still says 0:00:00.00 Apr 26 19:54:55 lol Apr 26 19:54:56 ;] Apr 26 19:55:12 Saving, please wait ... Apr 26 19:55:26 nothing appears to be on fire Apr 26 19:55:36 nt4cats: ok. that's the bug. give it up to 1 minute please and tell me if it still says that Apr 26 19:55:46 i wonder how long it would be saving if you will be recording over 1hr audio Apr 26 19:55:52 must run to the train ... will be back online in 15 minutes ... will give it a minute and report what it says/does Apr 26 19:55:59 it's odd because this worked in 0.5.5 and I changed almost nothing Apr 26 19:56:11 badass, I like the dl time in preware alpha Apr 26 19:56:17 en0x: it's not actually saving when it says that. Apr 26 19:56:23 HattCzech_wirc: nice right? Apr 26 19:56:50 very nice Apr 26 19:57:18 another question: is there a standard procedure for backing up my phone before doctoring it? Apr 26 19:57:25 folks Apr 26 19:57:34 I'd like to keep txt messages mostly Apr 26 19:58:06 keeping texts are a hit or miss type of procedure when backing up the db file .. Apr 26 19:58:32 that's what I'm afraid of Apr 26 19:58:40 be afraid .. be very afraid Apr 26 19:58:57 but I've done so much crap to my phone, I really would like to doctor it Apr 26 19:59:19 eh, don't doctor it .. Apr 26 19:59:25 i haven't doctored mine since i've gotten it Apr 26 19:59:27 and it's fine! Apr 26 19:59:53 well, the uber kernel gave me some issues Apr 26 19:59:56 so I removed it Apr 26 20:00:39 did it give you issues when running at a normal speed, or just at 800MHz ? Apr 26 20:00:50 have you had it since 1.0? Apr 26 20:01:01 normal speed Apr 26 20:01:04 yeah, i picked mine up on 6/8 i think is when they were in stock Apr 26 20:01:05 interesting Apr 26 20:01:24 crashed when I tried to change the governor to conservative Apr 26 20:02:44 i'll probably try it again Apr 26 20:03:02 but thought doctoring would be nice just to clean things up Apr 26 20:04:42 I've had some issues with the pre getting incredibly laggy for 10-15 seconds when using the uber kernel. Seems to occur least with the userspace governor and really bad with ondemand Apr 26 20:06:07 were you able to fix that issue? Apr 26 20:06:31 Depends on what you mean by "fix". Apr 26 20:06:58 As I said, it occurs less and less severely with ondemand, but it is still there. Apr 26 20:07:41 did you try conservative governor? Apr 26 20:07:49 Not yet Apr 26 20:08:07 every time I tried to change mine, my phone just hung and I had to remove the battery :/ Apr 26 20:08:27 but I was trying conservative only Apr 26 20:08:51 I had even updated the max cpu to be 600, not 800 Apr 26 20:10:28 pooie Apr 26 20:10:35 laptop died Apr 26 20:11:00 ffffff Apr 26 20:13:43 now what am I supposed to do... Apr 26 20:14:45 zsoc_wirc: after many minutes the display didn't change. Still "Saving, please wait ..." Apr 26 20:15:31 nt4cats: please close the app, open it again, and see if regular mic recording works Apr 26 20:15:46 swiped Apr 26 20:15:58 opened Apr 26 20:16:31 yes mic worked Apr 26 20:16:45 nt4cats: and the counter as well? Apr 26 20:16:50 yes Apr 26 20:16:57 and the local play button? Apr 26 20:17:23 I didn't compare the counter to a cesium clock or anything, but it increased at what seemed to be the right rate Apr 26 20:17:33 haha. ok thank you Apr 26 20:18:09 I hit the "play" button on the bottom-right to make sure it worked and the palm media player popped up and replayed me saying "chicka-chicka chooka-chooka chooch" Apr 26 20:18:42 nt4cats: ok, last question, can I get a copy of that recording? Apr 26 20:19:53 zsoc_wirc: e-mail address? Apr 26 20:20:15 hello Apr 26 20:20:18 nt4cats: more of a joke :> Apr 26 20:20:57 I assumed you were going to check the file for transient entropy resulting from the bug, of course. Apr 26 20:21:25 sounds like a normal debugging tactic Apr 26 20:21:31 nt4cats i have now preware on my phone ;) Apr 26 20:21:33 ... or you just want to hear me make choo-choo sounds Apr 26 20:21:46 right Apr 26 20:22:01 emre: glad to hear it. Welcome! Apr 26 20:23:19 a little question does it give a torchlite for pre? something that works :)? Apr 26 20:23:56 emre: there's a 'flashlight in device menu' patch Apr 26 20:23:59 emre: my choice for this is a patch called "multi-mod" (I think ... checking) Apr 26 20:24:46 oke i will try that if it can update right :) Apr 26 20:24:57 anyone know how to install preware from mac os x 10.4? Apr 26 20:25:04 emre: I'm looking up the exact/correct patch name ... Apr 26 20:25:31 HattCzech_wirc: there are Mac instructions on preware.org, not sure what Mac OS versions they apply to, though. Apr 26 20:25:55 I tried the install file, but it craps out Apr 26 20:26:14 (i tried WOSQI first, but that failed as well) Apr 26 20:26:43 java 6 isn't really available for os x 10.4 Apr 26 20:26:59 HattCzech_wirc: correct Apr 26 20:27:13 HattCzech_wirc: I would get shell access and use the bootstrap Apr 26 20:27:27 I tried the fake java 6, but that didn't work, either Apr 26 20:27:43 emre: I like "device menu megamix" -- but you should go into patches, type "device menu" and it will show you the list of device menu patches. There is a flashlight-only patch, too. Assume that you can have exactly ONE of these patches installed at any one time. Apr 26 20:27:57 how would I get access to the command line? Apr 26 20:28:33 HattCzech_wirc: there's a mac novacom in the SDK Apr 26 20:28:38 or precomd maybe? Apr 26 20:29:27 hmm, what if I don't want the entire SDK? Apr 26 20:29:41 (im trying to get it installed on a friend's phone) Apr 26 20:29:41 ;) thanks nt Apr 26 20:29:57 install linux? Apr 26 20:30:44 hehehe Apr 26 20:30:53 * nt4cats cancels sending zsoc a copy of my "choo-choo sound" recording Apr 26 20:31:05 if only I could plug in my phone to theirs, then install Apr 26 20:34:11 anyone knows how to connect the pre with other mobiles to over bluetooth to share mp3 or pictures? Apr 26 20:34:14 HattCzech_wirc: I don't know nothin' 'bout no Mac (other than that I can't afford one), otherwise I'd help you Apr 26 20:34:42 emre the phone doesn't have that ability yet. "soon" but not yet. Apr 26 20:35:18 <+Rick_work> ty :) Apr 26 20:36:19 all: people often PM me with questions. I encourage them to ask their questions publicly here on the channel in case someone else is looking for the answer or so that others can improve upon any answer I may provide. Is this what you all prefer I'd do? Apr 26 20:36:55 Of course if they're providing their IP or e-mail and don't want that public PMs are fine ... Apr 26 20:37:53 nt4cats: just set pms to ignore anyone not voiced or opped, like I do :p Apr 26 20:51:28 my preware is everytime updating -.- i cant turn off it can you help me ? ( i made the settings on update manualy ) Apr 26 20:51:36 (when i start it ) Apr 26 20:53:52 volunteers to try a new kernel? Apr 26 20:54:18 www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage.141-10.1_domperignon Apr 26 20:54:47 okay, my train is arriving, be back online later tonight. Hopefully I can commit to the bootstrap git repo by then (crosses fingers) .... Apr 26 20:54:53 bbl Apr 26 20:56:17 I *think* I might have just eliminated 495 loops on a fastpath under certain situations Apr 26 20:58:29 either that, or I'm just seeing a performance increase by wishing hard enough Apr 26 21:08:26 if wishes worked....... Apr 26 21:09:58 it's working for me Apr 26 21:10:17 ~50% faster in places Apr 26 21:11:58 sbromwich: what's the condition? Apr 26 21:12:17 you know the prcm stuff I was waffling on about the other day? Apr 26 21:12:20 yup Apr 26 21:12:41 if domainid == DOM_PER (retries = 5) else (retries = 500) Apr 26 21:12:52 is essentially it Apr 26 21:13:06 but like I say... it could be psychosomatic and it's only in certain places Apr 26 21:13:37 which places? Apr 26 21:14:06 mostly any time it's thinking about idling Apr 26 21:14:16 let me see if I can find which function it's in... sec Apr 26 21:14:40 prcm_check_clock_domain_status Apr 26 21:15:50 prcm_set_domain_power_configuration Apr 26 21:16:31 prcm_check_clock_domain_status in prcm_clk.c Apr 26 21:16:35 I think that's all of them Apr 26 21:17:43 do you actually see timeouts getting hit in dmesg? Apr 26 21:17:50 not any more Apr 26 21:17:55 but you were? Apr 26 21:17:56 that's the rather odd thing Apr 26 21:17:58 yeah Apr 26 21:18:18 how'd you fix it? Apr 26 21:18:31 beelzabub: did you go to the js service thing? Apr 26 21:18:41 yup Apr 26 21:18:50 blue shirt in back? Apr 26 21:18:55 yup Apr 26 21:18:58 I have the deathstar kernel whoch has cond_resched instead of udelay, domperignon is testing if only doing 5 loops if DOM_PER else 500 Apr 26 21:19:12 heh. Should have joined us in one of the booths Apr 26 21:19:19 i was busy that day Apr 26 21:19:27 i wasn't planning on going to it until i realized it was rob doing the talk Apr 26 21:19:59 No, I meant literally sit in the booth with us during the js service event Apr 26 21:20:41 oh - i dunno. came late, didn't want to disturb rob Apr 26 21:21:20 beelzabub: www.fop.ns.ca/pre/prcm_clk.c www.fop.ns.ca/pre/prcm_pwr.c Apr 26 21:21:28 do, er, feel free to ignore the extraneous comments Apr 26 21:21:51 interesting Apr 26 21:22:02 so i just saw it hit on my phone Apr 26 21:22:18 when you hit it, it fails to go to sleep, right? Apr 26 21:22:26 or vice versa Apr 26 21:22:33 hit it and it fails to wake up Apr 26 21:22:36 let it sit Apr 26 21:22:42 after... 20 secs? it'll reboot Apr 26 21:22:53 no, i've definitely never seen that Apr 26 21:22:59 if not, plugging in USB and unplugging can force a luna reset, or slider out and in again Apr 26 21:23:09 never seen that either Apr 26 21:23:15 WHY IS THERE NOT A PICTURE OF A NISSAN VERSA IN A VICE!!! Apr 26 21:23:16 that might be the preempt stuff Apr 26 21:23:28 this is something I've seen which is what started me on this path Apr 26 21:23:33 I've seen it with stock kernel too Apr 26 21:23:40 I thought preempt might fix it Apr 26 21:24:09 that said, I keep coming up with what seem like fixes and someone always comes up with a killer corner case ;-) Apr 26 21:24:36 whack-a-mole with kernel bugs - sounds scary :) Apr 26 21:24:55 Im in Apr 26 21:25:00 well, I don't know if it's kernel bugs, TI bugs, or me running too much stuff Apr 26 21:25:16 out for 4 hours. Apr 26 21:30:02 you know what I want on my pre... the ability to mount external filesystems under /media/internal (IE for ftp /media/internal/ftpsharename) and have apps be able to use it transparently ala windows 7 libraries. Now THATS cloud computing Apr 26 21:30:23 halfhalo-T400: that's what fuse does. Apr 26 21:30:37 yes, but im not done so shush Apr 26 21:30:47 http://curlftpfs.sourceforge.net/ Apr 26 21:30:54 mmmkay Apr 26 21:31:59 Hell, palm could sell 10GB of space for 10 bucks a month from the server and have it act like a dropbox type system. Great little money maker there.... hmmmm Apr 26 21:32:29 and sbromwich: I know what fuse does. I just picked ftp out of the blue Apr 26 21:32:34 n8 all Apr 26 21:32:49 i would assume smb/sshfs/etc would be supported as well Apr 26 21:33:23 I know the pre is able to do it, but a clean implementation is a must Apr 26 21:34:23 Hell, roll it into the file api. make it default to show files from all sources but also give developers a list of all mounted filesystems and let them pick and choose where to store files Apr 26 21:34:36 INCLUDING usb based filesystems Apr 26 21:34:54 remember that anything mounted in /media/internal needs to be unmounted before mass storage mode Apr 26 21:36:03 yes, but having it mounted in /media and just having a symlink to a folder in /media/internal which was removed right before mass storage mode would work Apr 26 21:36:39 oh - i was confused about which direction you were thinking of having fuse Apr 26 21:36:47 i thought you wanted it exposed during mass storage mode Apr 26 21:36:48 nm Apr 26 21:37:28 no, msm would only show whats truly on /media/internal Apr 26 21:38:26 Although having a mounted ftp share would be kickass in msm since it would work just fine on locked down computers Apr 26 21:39:21 I may have to play with this.... right after I play with remaking metadoctor Apr 26 21:39:35 sftp pls, ftp is not compliant with a lot of environments Apr 26 21:40:34 well, one the base is there adding new remote filesystems would be easy Apr 26 21:40:46 and I only have a plain jane ftp to play with Apr 26 21:40:57 the sftp ones I have are all production stuff Apr 26 21:41:31 sshfs is a doddle Apr 26 21:41:43 I would say it's easier than ftp but that's just me Apr 26 21:41:58 * RamsesFSFE likes scp Apr 26 21:42:35 heh, don't use sshfs since the servers that I use that have it also have sftp/webdav/ftp/git/etc Apr 26 21:43:18 HattCzech_wirc: run the emergency reconstruction utility, and tell me whether there was app cat stuff happening at the same time as you were installing the kernel Apr 26 21:44:24 I'm not sure if it was when I installed the uber kernel or when I put the original back Apr 26 21:44:46 I already ran the utility and it fixed the issue Apr 26 21:45:30 * halfhalo-T400 is now learning python function stuff Apr 26 21:45:47 I plan to install the uber kernel again, want me to check it after that? Apr 26 21:46:28 if you update virtualbox, do you have to uninstall the palm sdk first? Apr 26 21:46:40 rwhitby: whats in the repo is probably good for a 024 release Apr 26 21:46:47 its got some bug fixes and more icons Apr 26 21:47:42 woohoo! Apr 26 21:48:08 oilsworkn: roger Apr 26 21:50:32 * halfhalo-T400 is trying to figure out the best way to match part of the string using a method that is at his experience level Apr 26 21:50:53 regex? Apr 26 21:51:21 halfhalo-T400: what lang? Apr 26 21:51:30 python Apr 26 21:51:37 halfhalo-T400: nt4cats is your man Apr 26 21:51:42 yeah Apr 26 21:51:50 was talking to him earlier before laptop died Apr 26 21:52:10 gotcha Apr 26 21:52:50 halfhalo-T400: so Apr 26 21:52:56 halfhalo-T400: what arer you trying to match Apr 26 21:53:06 zsoc: forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2406040 Apr 26 21:53:09 :) Apr 26 21:53:30 I want to take the name of the doctor and get the device and carrier from it Apr 26 21:53:42 I already have the version Apr 26 21:53:54 oilsworkn: what do you think of that svg? Apr 26 21:54:09 oilsworkn: eh, i'm mostly ok, i need help with actual mojo stuff (the lists and file i/o) Apr 26 21:54:14 it was a bar graph thing, right? Apr 26 21:54:21 yea Apr 26 21:54:32 it was just the idea of one of those bars Apr 26 21:54:53 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GPRI.JPG would be a less annoying to view type of thing Apr 26 22:00:35 yeah, i dont know how that will look on the main scene Apr 26 22:01:22 yeah i wouldn't want global political risk in my app either Apr 26 22:01:35 well, just the stacked-bar idea Apr 26 22:23:10 Govnah 0.2.4 is in the testing feed Apr 26 22:23:35 is there a way to install terminal Apr 26 22:23:50 on webos 1.4 Apr 26 22:24:00 bsdbandit: generally the install button Apr 26 22:24:31 wow Apr 26 22:25:20 sorry dumb ? Apr 26 22:25:42 bsdbandit: install button in preware Apr 26 22:26:20 there are no dumb questions Apr 26 22:26:22 only dumb answers Apr 26 22:26:23 ^_^ Apr 26 22:27:10 ASCII a silly question get a silly ANSI Apr 26 22:27:25 gkatsev: no more Dwarf Fortress for you Apr 26 22:27:33 lol Apr 26 22:28:01 lol Apr 26 22:29:15 oilsworkn: have you opened the app catalog while running govnah ? Apr 26 22:29:26 yes Apr 26 22:29:40 did your icons start blinking too? Apr 26 22:29:57 not that i noticed Apr 26 22:30:12 all app icons? Apr 26 22:30:18 go into the hottest apps list or something Apr 26 22:30:26 all the app icons are blinking Apr 26 22:30:28 * oilsworkn is not with his dev pre Apr 26 22:30:36 ill look Apr 26 22:33:20 though Apr 26 22:33:24 its probably due to the launcher updating Apr 26 23:05:08 rehi Apr 26 23:05:38 * halfhalo-T400 almost has a working version... working Apr 26 23:10:01 * halfhalo-T400 is wondering if tar is supposed to spit out all these erroes Apr 26 23:11:26 lol Apr 26 23:15:17 I still don't know all these tar mknod messages are something to be worried about or not Apr 26 23:15:48 google? Apr 26 23:15:59 effort.... Apr 26 23:16:36 actually, for the tar thing I'm using the meta-doctor unpack-doctor script Apr 26 23:16:49 what are you making? Apr 26 23:17:29 trying to make a metadoctor in python that can be used by just going metadoctor --carrier-verizon --device-pre --version-1.4.0 Apr 26 23:20:11 so far I have gotten it to read in the arguements, do a match against a json file for valid doctor versions, and unpack the tar Apr 26 23:20:14 * oilsworkn has only used the metadoc once Apr 26 23:20:16 working on the rest now Apr 26 23:20:22 and it seemed easy enough Apr 26 23:22:04 is it going to download the doctor for you? Apr 26 23:22:31 yes, but thats not implemented yet, and only works for the most recent version Apr 26 23:24:09 brb Apr 26 23:30:23 kk Apr 26 23:30:25 back Apr 26 23:31:59 hey halfhalo Apr 26 23:32:23 hola que tal como estas Apr 26 23:32:28 its way to hot today Apr 26 23:32:46 car is readin 99F Apr 26 23:35:54 * halfhalo-T400 doesn't know if this patch operation is taking along time or if his script broke Apr 26 23:36:58 it's bit cooler up here in sunnyvale Apr 26 23:37:10 I bet Apr 26 23:41:48 ok, the patching stuff is hanging up Apr 26 23:41:56 what are you up to? Apr 26 23:42:12 making a python mini meta-doc Apr 26 23:44:38 hmm, sounds interesting Apr 26 23:45:55 ok, think I fixed part of it Apr 26 23:59:22 ohmigod i think it actually patched it Apr 27 00:01:46 zsoc: how's fixing the precorder bugs coming along? Apr 27 00:02:24 preoccupied: getting there, puff is setting me straight on some nub C errors i made Apr 27 00:03:38 haha, ic Apr 27 00:04:16 should be gone from the biggest bug soon, we'll see Apr 27 00:04:59 have you been able to fix the slow "save" after media capture? Apr 27 00:06:53 ok, apparently the doctor is uncompressed and THEN copied to the build folder.... Apr 27 00:09:06 anyone know how to enter up on a pre? Apr 27 00:10:06 enter... up? Apr 27 00:10:21 up where? Apr 27 00:10:29 or the enter button coming up? Apr 27 00:10:34 or the "enter up" button? Apr 27 00:10:44 Oh, the up arrow in Terminal? Apr 27 00:10:48 gesture+2 Apr 27 00:12:23 anyone got a phone they can test a kernel on for me? Apr 27 00:12:27 www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage.dompertest Apr 27 00:13:17 sbromwich: is this en Empire Strikes Back kernel? Apr 27 00:13:25 that was interesting... Apr 27 00:13:45 uNiXpSyChO: this is more along the lines of "if I poke this bit, does it poke back?" Apr 27 00:14:18 it *seems* to have much lower latency in use, but it could be psychosomatic Apr 27 00:14:33 * halfhalo-T400 only has a 1.4.0 dev phone Apr 27 00:14:43 i'll try it. feeling lazy right now doing kernel coding Apr 27 00:15:04 ta :-) Apr 27 00:15:17 www.fop.ns.ca/pre/tuning is the tuning script I'm running at the moment too Apr 27 00:16:54 sorry about this. just some connection issues Apr 27 00:26:06 sbromwich: smooth as hell Apr 27 00:26:31 i do see the lower latencies Apr 27 00:28:46 ok it's not just me then? Apr 27 00:28:47 sweet. Apr 27 00:29:00 have you got syslog disabled too? Apr 27 00:29:22 but no amount of tuning helps the pulseaudio puking in the kernel buffer. syslog is going to /dev/null Apr 27 00:30:01 ok, now need to write method to package the doctor up Apr 27 00:30:17 camera works too Apr 27 00:31:30 uNiXpSyChO: yeah that's the only bummer, pulseaudio is pants no matter how I look at it Apr 27 00:31:47 everything *works*, it's just moaning about being interrupted Apr 27 00:32:08 yeah. works smooth too. wonder if a new pulse version will work better Apr 27 00:32:51 my gut feeling is we need to see the innards of those closed binaries Apr 27 00:33:09 * halfhalo-T400 is soooo close to a fully functioning version Apr 27 00:33:21 if you turn on kern.log you can see around the same time pulseaudio starts spazzing there's twl/wifi activity Apr 27 00:33:43 crap. Apr 27 00:34:03 and the opensource Marvel wifi driver dont work in the Pre Apr 27 00:34:07 also is it just me or is scrolling smoother in the launcher than in preware alpha? Apr 27 00:34:15 of course it doesn't, that would be too easy Apr 27 00:35:34 scrolling is smoother in the launcher. Apr 27 00:36:13 jstop seems smoother scrolling too Apr 27 00:37:40 can Palm post sources to the wifi driver??? please??? Apr 27 00:37:50 would be nice ;-) Apr 27 00:38:02 wifi and sd and then I think it's fully open, isn't it? Apr 27 00:38:12 yep. Apr 27 00:38:15 sbromwich, can I use that script too? Apr 27 00:38:22 so close... Apr 27 00:38:26 ka6sox: help yourself Apr 27 00:39:15 I think it'll work with any preware kernel Apr 27 00:48:52 good evening all Apr 27 00:49:35 hey Apr 27 00:49:58 anyone else tried the kernel? Apr 27 00:50:31 come on, I know there's *some* of you out there with dev phones... ;-) Apr 27 00:50:43 yeah, but is kernel for 1.4.0? Apr 27 00:51:01 should work fine on 1.4.0 and 1.4.1 Apr 27 00:51:05 and quite possibly earlier Apr 27 00:51:26 and if it doesn't... reboot and you'll be back to stock Apr 27 00:51:55 how to install it? i can test it on my 1.4.0 dev device :) Apr 27 00:53:13 instructions for use in linux: Apr 27 00:53:24 download www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage.dompertest to somewhere handy Apr 27 00:53:26 run novaterm Apr 27 00:53:29 tellbootie recover Apr 27 00:53:42 wait for the USB logo to come up and you get booted out of novaterm Apr 27 00:54:01 novacom boot mem:// < uImage.dompertest Apr 27 00:54:23 if it works, when it's done booting, uname -a gives: Apr 27 00:54:26 Linux palm-webos-device 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #9 PREEMPT Tue Apr 27 00:07:32 UTC 2010 armv7l unknown Apr 27 00:55:16 www.fop.ns.ca/pre/tuning is the event.d script I'm using with this at the moment as well Apr 27 00:55:39 www.fop.ns.ca/pre/pt/pt.pl is my naive perl power saving daemon Apr 27 00:58:40 allright, will try soon Apr 27 00:58:56 ta :-) Apr 27 00:59:05 perhaps I should do another video for demonstrationering. Apr 27 01:08:24 fun fun Apr 27 01:33:12 FuMan: feel like testing a kernel? Apr 27 01:35:03 sbromwich, sure Apr 27 01:35:18 www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage.dompertest Apr 27 01:35:18 whatever the hell im currently running has been pissing me off Apr 27 01:35:23 *grin* Apr 27 01:35:29 not sure if its govnah, or what, but I'm crashing left and right Apr 27 01:35:36 www.fop.ns.ca/pre/tuning is the event.d tuning script I'm running Apr 27 01:35:41 still using the same threshold , etc settings? Apr 27 01:35:41 luna restarts? Apr 27 01:35:44 bam bam, there ya go Apr 27 01:35:46 sbromwich, yeah Apr 27 01:36:38 FuMan: did you mod java-serviceboot to add more memory? Apr 27 01:37:01 no Apr 27 01:37:13 i was hoping if i didn't leave govnah running, that wasn't gonna be an issue Apr 27 01:37:21 oh. Apr 27 01:37:28 govnah is the issue, I think ;-) Apr 27 01:37:46 it doesn't throw away data so after a while luna will OOM and die Apr 27 01:38:06 I ran Govnah for 20hrs and had my first luna reset. Sig11 Apr 27 01:38:20 you can edit /usr/bin/java-serviceboot and up JAVAMEM and JAVAMEMMAX to make it run longer Apr 27 01:39:43 see, i thought it was if you kept govnah OPEN Apr 27 01:39:44 sig11 is usually segfault rather than oom Apr 27 01:40:15 FuMan: it's as long as it's running and collecting data... this isn't an iphone, remember, it's *real* multitasking ;-) Apr 27 01:41:18 sbromwich, I'm just reporting what happened...nothing else was running@ the time. Apr 27 01:42:03 anyone with experience in using GLES for 2D? Apr 27 01:42:15 Tman: small amounts Apr 27 01:42:33 I'm sure I'm probably the 50th person to ask this, but any chance I'll be able to get my Pre Plus from the Palm Dev Day event on my Sprint account? Apr 27 01:43:07 dgathright, not likely Apr 27 01:43:10 Sprint isn't too fond o fthat Apr 27 01:43:13 Boooooo Apr 27 01:43:15 dgathright: not unless you know someone in the sprint level 3 tech team in oklahoma Apr 27 01:43:19 sbromwich, anything particular i should be testing / looking our for? Apr 27 01:43:41 FuMan: you should see lower latency in the menus... smoother scrolling, that kind of thing Apr 27 01:43:41 I'm not having much success.. I tried to take from the example in git that dtz showed me but I'm just getting a bunch of garbage lines (not the lines I'm trying to draw) Apr 27 01:43:47 zsoc: ^^ Apr 27 01:44:25 Grr... that's so stupid. I'll just tell them I'll switch to Verizon then. Apr 27 01:44:58 Tman: getting anything is better than getting nothing :D you'd have to pastebin your code somewhere Apr 27 01:45:13 dgathright: it's not stupid, they simply don't support that device and it was not made to work on their networks Apr 27 01:45:43 dgathright: now, once you tell them you flashed it with the 1.4.1.1 sprint firmware.... then they shouldn't complain ;) Apr 27 01:47:02 Now you're talkin. :) Apr 27 01:47:02 zsoc: http://webos.pastebin.com/DLMbq9ZK Apr 27 01:48:01 zsoc: esFunc.h is http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=x11/xserver.git;a=blob;f=hw/kdrive/sdl/esFunc.h;h=02eca1bc6cc783295d03c9bb4144a1109ed78fbe;hb=1b5a3a80d5ef2474a2a4ecaead56bab208d419d0 Apr 27 01:48:55 Tman: and what are you expecting? Apr 27 01:49:30 zsoc: well, a bunch of white lines Apr 27 01:49:52 zsoc: coords are set in update() Apr 27 01:50:28 anyway, I get some white lines, but not the right ones :p their endpoints seem to be restricted to the screen corners, the midpoints of the screen edges, and the center of the screen.. Apr 27 01:51:16 Tman: it's funny... i've actually experienced the same thing Apr 27 01:51:21 actually the /exact/ same thing Apr 27 01:51:39 so did you fix it? ehe Apr 27 01:51:58 your code seems sane Apr 27 01:52:12 sorry :/ wish i could give you more input... i mean besides "i had the exact same issue and never fixed it", lol Apr 27 01:52:21 dang it.. argh Apr 27 01:52:43 Tman: you try changing your orientation, just for the hell of it? Apr 27 01:52:50 I guess the next thing I could try would be to copy the example I was given wholesale and modifying it Apr 27 01:52:50 er, that is, just swapping width and height Apr 27 01:53:11 sbromwich, do luna restarts kill these kernels? Apr 27 01:53:23 would i need to novacom boot again? Apr 27 01:53:31 zsoc: for everything (like SetVideoMode) or just GL stuff? Apr 27 01:53:36 FuMan: shouldn't do Apr 27 01:53:55 FuMan: luna will just restart the java processes, it takes a full reboot to go back to the on-disk kernel Apr 27 01:54:20 check uname -a in novaterm if you want to verify - check if the date has changed Apr 27 01:54:26 son of a Apr 27 01:54:32 Tman: everything, i think the SDL might have been brekaing things Apr 27 01:54:35 my battery going lose will cause the need though D; Apr 27 01:54:45 zsoc: same thing it seems.. Apr 27 01:55:33 yeah that'll do it ;-) Apr 27 01:55:34 zsoc: results are identical. Apr 27 01:56:48 then i am out of ideas :/ Apr 27 01:56:50 hmm so I'll try and get that example to build Apr 27 01:57:04 zsoc: thanks for looking at it, good to know I'm not alone :p Apr 27 02:00:52 nice, that crash was epic Apr 27 02:00:58 wiped a lot of my settings in open prgrams Apr 27 02:02:36 yeah, that happens when you pull the battery ;-) Apr 27 02:03:05 as long as you're not into quadruple figures for battery pulls you should be ok ;-) Apr 27 02:04:35 is that logged somewhere user accessible? Apr 27 02:04:43 Hey I'm having an issue with my installed packages showing up in preware. I'm not sure when it first occurred (I do not believe it happened immediately) but all my patches/applications are no longer in my installed packages listing. Can anyone help? Apr 27 02:05:15 Tman: is your source avail somewhere in a more complete form? :) Apr 27 02:06:26 also are your coords scaled to [-1,1]? Apr 27 02:06:42 matt08: where you using wosqi at the same time as the app catalog was installing something? Apr 27 02:07:14 matt08: run the Emergency Reconstruction Utility to fix it Apr 27 02:08:09 dtzWill: I can do that if necessary @ source but most everything is in there Apr 27 02:08:33 Tman: kk, and are the coordinates scaled [-1,1]? Apr 27 02:08:36 dtzWill: And no.. I was trying to figure out what I should be doing with the coords.. they're stored in a ushort so how can I do that? Apr 27 02:09:13 FuMan: /var/log/updated.log IIRC Apr 27 02:09:19 somewhere in /var/log Apr 27 02:09:19 rwitby: I honestly don't believe so. This happened once before as well when I was still on webos 1.3.5. Just was wondering if anyone else had reported it as a random event. Apr 27 02:09:29 I kept count of it but lost count around the 300 mark Apr 27 02:09:48 matt08: there are lots of reports Apr 27 02:09:55 Tman: glfloat? Apr 27 02:10:07 matt08: the only known cause is doing wosqi operations at the same time as app catalog background installs Apr 27 02:10:23 dtzWill: sure.. the example uses ushorts though! Apr 27 02:10:46 and it seems to be drawing some triangles outside [-1,1] Apr 27 02:10:53 Tman: does your example include the vertex/frament shaders? Apr 27 02:11:21 rwitby: ok, I'll pay attention specifically for such a scenario and report any other things I find Apr 27 02:11:24 yeah Apr 27 02:11:31 Tman: you might want to use GLESv1 then? (or at least confirm the shaders are correct for you use), they're very simple since they do what I needed --blit a texture Apr 27 02:11:55 * nt4cats is a little bit misty-eyed Apr 27 02:12:13 err to be clear all I'm saying is those shaders /i/ can't guarantee are correct for you. disclaimer and whatnot :) Apr 27 02:13:11 dtzWill: yeah.. you're probably right, I just need to use some floats.. the example is probably trying to make some cool effect with partial triangles on the screen or something :p Apr 27 02:13:23 * nt4cats has made my first few commits to webos-internals' git repo. Nothing useful or working, but it is a start. Apr 27 02:13:31 sbromwich, seems to be pretty tasty so far, ill report any oddities Apr 27 02:14:08 FuMan: thanks :-) uNiXpSyChO said it looked pretty smooth to him to but I've been bitten by this before... I want to make sure it's making a real difference first ;-) Apr 27 02:14:42 what sort of things are you using on it, out of interest? Apr 27 02:15:22 I'm doing an interview some time next week and I want to see what "normal" people run on their phones ;-) Apr 27 02:20:03 dtzWill: getting an OpenGL error 500 now Apr 27 02:21:18 Tman: you have your example in front of you so maybe you're right, but I'm not sure glDrawElements works the way you think--you don't pass the vertex/coords to it, you pass indices to it Apr 27 02:21:29 rwhitby: is there any way to filter out non-english packages in preware alpha? Apr 27 02:21:40 Tman: and you pass the values/coordinates themselves go glVertexPointer, and /those/ will be your GL_FLOAT's Apr 27 02:22:00 sbromwich: nope, but patches are welcome Apr 27 02:22:10 Tman: if you changed mCoords to GL_FLOAT that'll cause that error, glDRawElements won't accept GL_FLOAT as an index type, which makes sense Apr 27 02:22:15 rwhitby: I thought you might say something like that ;-) Apr 27 02:22:29 Tman: sorry for my share of misleading, I'm bouncing through the glesv2 spec again since it's been a while :) Apr 27 02:22:37 dtzWill: ah, there we go.. ok Apr 27 02:22:47 I'll look at glVertexPointer Apr 27 02:23:08 Tman: and I don't see you building indices at all, just the coordinates. And you might wanna ignore scaling for now, I'm not 100% on that, I forget what is scalred where. had it all straight at some point but it's lost now :D Apr 27 02:23:35 lol. maybe I'll write a quick guide or something at some point Apr 27 02:23:47 dtzWill: did you mean glVertexAttribPointer()? Apr 27 02:23:55 http://www.songho.ca/opengl/gl_vertexarray.html the bit on glDrawElements should help you see what I mean Apr 27 02:24:19 great, thanks Apr 27 02:24:27 Tman: I see that glVertexPointer doesn't exist in glesv2 so I'm sorry about that. :( Apr 27 02:24:48 dtzWill: ehe it's fine.. you're my biggest help and I appreciate it :D Apr 27 02:25:10 Tman: but loks like attributehelper is your ticket too, defines the vertices for glDrawElements goodness Apr 27 02:25:53 attributehelper? Apr 27 02:25:57 Tman: haha welcome :). gl and lemme know how it goes, I wanna see this sweet fft graphical goodness :) Apr 27 02:26:10 Tman: I'm worthless and can't type--I mean glVertexAttribPointer, sigh Apr 27 02:26:35 dtzWill: lol. absolutely, I'll let you see it in action! thanks for all your help Apr 27 02:38:19 any thoughts on setting up a custom feed for preware on my development machine so I can upload new versions of my app without breaking out the usb cable? Apr 27 02:39:24 even though I have not had it happen personally, after seeing so many reports of cracks around the usb port, I prefer to hook mine up as little as possible, Apr 27 02:39:27 if you have a webserver. Apr 27 02:40:15 Rather than keep digging, I just threw my ipk into an empty tomcat server, then copied the url in the pre browser and pasted that into filecoaster Apr 27 02:40:26 nice, filecoaster :> Apr 27 02:40:46 it complained about not having the preinst, postinst, prerm, etc, but it did install the package Apr 27 02:42:34 sbromwich, just got an idle reboot Apr 27 02:42:37 govnah hadn't been running Apr 27 02:43:05 of luna? Apr 27 02:43:11 mhm Apr 27 02:43:34 check for anything odd in /var/log/java-0.log Apr 27 02:43:40 sig11 being the obvious Apr 27 02:45:39 hrm, i dont think its 1970 Apr 27 02:46:18 um? Apr 27 02:46:20 not 1969? Apr 27 02:46:41 you must have been running it a while then ;-) Apr 27 02:47:07 default date for java is somewhere towards the end of 1969 IIRC Apr 27 02:47:20 isn't the beginning of time 1-1-1970 ? Apr 27 02:48:45 this is java which is in its own little world Apr 27 02:49:00 eg: Apr 27 02:49:02 1969-12-31 20:03:53.00961 [234] BackupActiveRecordDataSource reached milestone (): End (27ms since start) Apr 27 02:49:30 weird Apr 27 02:49:36 java Apr 27 02:49:38 enterprise. Apr 27 02:50:41 google paula brillant bean for some... examples. Apr 27 02:53:10 dtzWill: I'm confused about this texture stuff.. do I need it to just draw lines? Apr 27 02:53:23 Tman: not at all. Apr 27 02:53:33 lol awesome Apr 27 02:54:00 Tman: although honestly I don't know how to draw just lines, the fragment shader ... i'm just not sure how those work in that scheme. maybe have it return white all the time or something. Apr 27 02:54:28 Tman: sorry, I suggested that code base to blit an already rendered 2d image, not necc as a basis for makng gl calls to draw 2d things Apr 27 02:54:46 Tman: so I'm sorry if this is a mess :(, hopefully it got enough right for ya that it helps :) Apr 27 02:55:05 dtzWill: well from what I can tell, the example code is passing two attribute arrays, positionLoc (a_position in shader) and and texCoordLoc (a_texCoord in shader) Apr 27 02:55:13 it's because of the timezone offset i bet :) Apr 27 02:55:25 dtzWill: it's okay, the more wrong stuff I see the more I'll know for the future when I need it X) Apr 27 02:56:15 so... yeah. I just need to write some shaders that help me draw some lines Apr 27 02:56:37 Tman: good policy, and yes I'm just populating those arrays :). although then the shaders are run on all kinds of other points Apr 27 02:56:56 Tman: and if you get super stuck there's always #opengl or w/e, although I hear they can be scary---but I haven't tried myself Apr 27 02:57:08 (so sorry if spreading unwarranted warnings :)) Apr 27 02:57:16 haha yeah thinking about asking them :p or google Apr 27 02:57:27 I might've heard the same thing a long time ago **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 27 02:59:57 2010