**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 29 02:59:56 2010 Apr 29 02:59:58 zsoc: ouch Apr 29 03:00:14 in 99 i was playing counterstrike and thinking i was cool making spam sites in coldfusion Apr 29 03:00:17 dang Apr 29 03:00:41 zsoc: in 99 I wrote a code editor for GNOME fresh out of high school Apr 29 03:00:53 zsoc: and my computer wasn't fast enough to play counterstrike Apr 29 03:01:08 hehe Apr 29 03:01:45 zsoc: 400MHz AMD k6-2 Apr 29 03:01:49 sbromwich: installed powertop. getting a couple suggestions. Apr 29 03:03:03 sbromwich: looking for anything in particular? Apr 29 03:03:07 pslag1: those suggestions are for a laptop. they may or may not make a genuine difference on a palmtop. Apr 29 03:03:46 pslag1: whatever's performing a lot of wakeups per second, a lot of it is irq kernel stuff but if there's any process making a lot of wakeups be suspicious Apr 29 03:03:55 zsoc: alright, still waiting lol Apr 29 03:04:22 zsoc: i'll leave precorder open and make sure the update works Apr 29 03:04:31 sbromwich: gp timer, hsmmc-omap, prcm, OMAP HDQ Apr 29 03:04:55 preoccupied: oh god lol that's not a reasonable user situation :p but go for it ;) Apr 29 03:05:19 pslag1: those are irq tasks, I am working on reducing prcm wakeups Apr 29 03:05:27 zsoc: if it borks my sound again, i know who to blame :) Apr 29 03:05:39 sbromwich: yep, no proc/app yet. Apr 29 03:06:26 pslag1: try installing govnah and see how hot your cpu gets Apr 29 03:06:46 not very. hottest is when on TS. right now at 30 Apr 29 03:07:12 what frequency and governor are you running at? Apr 29 03:07:37 preoccupied: you'll have to restart the app after upgrade anyway, it'll lose the event subscription and complain about it Apr 29 03:08:42 sbromwich: conservative, 500/800. sampling_rate=750,000; freq_step=12; down_thr=15; up_thr=60; samp_down_factor=4 Apr 29 03:08:44 zsoc: that's fine. as long as it works Apr 29 03:09:17 sbromwich: experimenting but this combo seems good. Quick cycle to 800, then fairly slow/calm to fall back down. Apr 29 03:09:26 pslag1: see if you still get issues if you set the governor to performance with min/max of 550? Apr 29 03:10:01 zsoc: uh oh....hmm doesn't look good Apr 29 03:10:19 zsoc: no icon, and there was a warning in PA during installation Apr 29 03:10:27 zsoc: something about unknown service Apr 29 03:10:43 zsoc: and it doesn't start lol Apr 29 03:10:50 * zsoc facepalms Apr 29 03:11:09 zsoc: precorder service? Apr 29 03:11:22 preoccupied: oh wait, it's not you Apr 29 03:11:29 preoccupied: the package is actually bad, lol.. oh god what did i do Apr 29 03:11:33 cphelps: hm? Apr 29 03:11:57 zsoc: haha, alright. that's fine. i'll remove and attempt to install the older version Apr 29 03:12:00 preoccupied: oh nevermind, it does work Apr 29 03:12:04 zsoc: just wondering what you dudes are passing around Apr 29 03:12:15 sbromwich: done. temp=31/32, idle at 550. Doing preware/later to try to re-create. Apr 29 03:12:28 cphelps: oh... my application. it's in the webos internals testing feed, source is in git.webos-internals.org Apr 29 03:12:51 zsoc: yay, reinstall worked Apr 29 03:13:05 zsoc: at least, we have a solution for the idiots who leave it open during an upgrade :) Apr 29 03:13:07 cphelps: it records from the microphone as well as has a "media capture" to cut ringtones from other apps (youtube, music player, pandora, etc), all saved in .mp3 Apr 29 03:13:21 preoccupied: yes, as long as it doesn't completely bork and require command line fixes ;) Apr 29 03:13:37 zsoc: that's precorder, or something new? Apr 29 03:13:55 zsoc: nope. no command line needed...just uninstall, reinstall. and i'm liking the new buttons...haha Apr 29 03:14:03 cphelps: er, it's alpha right now (hence testing) so I kept the old 'precorder' name, but it'll probably change names. It's an entirely new/differenta pp. Apr 29 03:14:15 preoccupied: yeah they are a nice touch :) where do i put your name? Apr 29 03:14:36 preoccupied: counting looks more sane also right? Apr 29 03:14:39 zsoc: recording is working as well. haha, i don't need any recognition Apr 29 03:14:53 zsoc: yeah, it looks much better overall Apr 29 03:14:56 zsoc: and it's more consisten Apr 29 03:14:57 t Apr 29 03:16:20 sbromwich: so far so good. can't duplicate with perf/550. doing luna restart and will try again. Apr 29 03:16:56 preoccupied: one last bug to fix (hanging when trying to stop media capture while no live input stream) Apr 29 03:17:31 pslag1: you can experiment with running faster and faster, but at some point the phone will kak out Apr 29 03:17:50 Ha... powertop: Suggestion: Enable the ondemand cpu speed governor for all processors Apr 29 03:18:01 mmm Apr 29 03:18:08 are display sync issues known with uber kernel + ondemand governor? Apr 29 03:18:11 fine if you're on an intel powered laptop. Apr 29 03:18:19 not so fine if you're on an arm powered palmtop. Apr 29 03:18:32 sdodson: they're not unknown, but they're rare Apr 29 03:18:35 zsoc: ok. did you ever track down the media capture bug where it would take a while to "save"? Apr 29 03:19:03 preoccupied: that's the bug I'm talking about. it took a /really/ deep log but i found it, and it's nasty Apr 29 03:19:22 preoccupied: basically, gst isn't made to do what i'm doing. you should /never/ have a source that doesn't pass buffers on a playing pipeline Apr 29 03:19:48 zsoc: insufficient unicorns? Apr 29 03:19:49 so because it's not 'live', it assumes it shouldn't have the mutex, and locks itself out, so the eos just sits there and wait()'s till it gets it back Apr 29 03:19:53 sbromwich: precisely Apr 29 03:20:13 zsoc: i'll pretend i understand that :) Apr 29 03:20:14 there's never sufficient unicorns. Apr 29 03:20:17 sbromwich: not so good after luna restart. same process: preware alpha, add patch, Later... email, messaging, phone die Apr 29 03:20:29 zsoc: just not enough unicorns sounds great for the laymen like me Apr 29 03:20:35 pslag1: are you running govnah? Apr 29 03:20:38 preoccupied: that is the simple explanation :( Apr 29 03:20:43 yes Apr 29 03:21:09 pslag1: what sort of average temperature is it running at, and does it go up when things start dying? Apr 29 03:21:13 preoccupied: problem is, every way i can think of testing buffers/pads/anything-deep, I can only test FOR things, not for NOT things.. so i'm going to wait till someone smarter than me figures it out ;) Apr 29 03:21:34 zsoc: lemme try to put it in my words.... so gst is trying to capture audio from a source, but since the source isn't buffered, it lags behind what gst is trying to capture? Apr 29 03:22:05 zsoc: not even sure i made sense lol Apr 29 03:22:13 zsoc: see also: kernighan on debugging Apr 29 03:22:31 preoccupied: no.. nothing like that really. I can break it down i suppose if you /really/ want? Apr 29 03:22:35 sbromwich: haha Apr 29 03:23:28 sbromwich: wasn't watching real close, am now. Avg temp 36. jumping between 35 & 37. Apr 29 03:23:38 sbromwich: going to do again, watching temp via terminal Apr 29 03:23:42 zsoc: nah. i'd prefer if you spent the time on other stuff, haha Apr 29 03:23:59 pslag1: that's a little on the high side IMO Apr 29 03:24:11 agreed for 550 Apr 29 03:24:22 zsoc: is there a good manual describing the whole gstreamer framework? it'd be an interesting read Apr 29 03:24:31 preoccupied: yes, there's a /very/ good one actually, 1 sec Apr 29 03:24:56 pslag1: be interesting to see how much it increases per frequency increase too Apr 29 03:25:05 preoccupied: http://www.gstreamer.net/data/doc/gstreamer/head/manual/html/index.html Apr 29 03:25:10 but for now... I must be away to bed, laters :-) Apr 29 03:25:19 preoccupied: it starts off explaining things like you're an idiot, and by the end your head asplodes ;) Apr 29 03:25:28 sbromwich: thx much Apr 29 03:25:52 YAMW Apr 29 03:27:01 zsoc: that's exactly what i need. i'll bookmark it and read it over the next few days Apr 29 03:28:23 preoccupied: only if you're actually interested in the framework :> it's nifty tho Apr 29 03:29:44 zsoc: nah, i don't like being ignorant. i want to actually learn lol Apr 29 03:30:23 preoccupied: if anything i'm the ignorant one. I find the best way to learn is to ask direct questions to people who know the answer, and openly admit to being a complete idiot who doesn't understand anything Apr 29 03:31:36 zsoc: haha, true. i'll ask you questions if I don't understand stuff Apr 29 03:32:12 preoccupied: no prob Apr 29 03:54:24 http://www.slideshare.net/fpatton/tremblay-chris-optimizing-3d-with-hw-palm-dev-day - page 7/15 should open some eyes about pixi hardware Apr 29 03:55:21 pixi plus seems a bit more attractive? Apr 29 03:55:21 bpadalino, yes I was shocked when I saw that Apr 29 03:55:40 bpadalino, I asked and was told those are benchmarked results - not theoretical Apr 29 03:55:47 very nice Apr 29 03:56:30 lets get some pixi plus' Apr 29 03:56:31 interesting Apr 29 03:57:07 are there GPU drivers in webos for pixi yet? Apr 29 03:57:31 not publicly released ones i don't believe Apr 29 03:57:59 later all Apr 29 03:58:21 not yet Apr 29 03:58:28 i think they were working with qualcomm Apr 29 04:21:50 yo ppl Apr 29 04:22:07 hi Apr 29 04:22:52 pecking from SFO.. Apr 29 04:24:13 keith: around? Apr 29 04:31:47 so the hp jibba jabba stopped..? Apr 29 04:32:11 man there were some good jokes on twitter earlier.. Apr 29 04:35:17 yeah ? Apr 29 04:35:19 what kinda jokes ? Apr 29 04:35:50 gimme a few Apr 29 04:36:04 take your time Apr 29 04:38:03 hp already has lefthand, so why palm? Apr 29 04:38:35 hp bought palm, m$ facepalms Apr 29 04:39:39 not too bad Apr 29 04:43:19 few others I don't recall.. more tech stuff Apr 29 05:00:19 rehi Apr 29 05:00:20 q Apr 29 05:00:42 does a OTA update influence metadoctor (or the other way around) Apr 29 05:11:56 good morning all.. and welcome back swisstomcat Apr 29 05:12:07 how was the trip back? Apr 29 05:12:10 hey noaXess ... i'm about to go to bed Apr 29 05:12:38 wow.. one questio.. how can i access a json string from the appinfo.json? the version string? Apr 29 05:12:49 hold on Apr 29 05:13:32 Mojo.Controller.appInfo.version Apr 29 05:14:37 swisstomcat: thanks.. and the last is allways the string name? Apr 29 05:14:49 i think so Apr 29 05:15:18 Mojo.Controller.appInfo.id for the appid for example Apr 29 06:00:10 23:57 <+jacques> are there GPU drivers in webos for pixi yet? Apr 29 06:00:18 sad, seems the whole point of going with 7x27/30 Apr 29 06:00:23 well no Apr 29 06:00:31 actually there's vfp too Apr 29 06:02:57 ersus 7225? Apr 29 06:03:17 vs. 7x01 Apr 29 06:03:24 right. also L2 cache Apr 29 06:03:52 that's pretty much the biggest Apr 29 06:04:04 are most 3d games only working on Pre/Pre Plus now? Apr 29 06:04:20 25/27/30 has more l2? Apr 29 06:04:25 or 01 has none? Apr 29 06:04:31 01 has none Apr 29 06:04:34 27 has L2, 30 has L2 Apr 29 06:04:37 25 has no l2 Apr 29 06:34:46 bpadalino: there a way to select multiple pics in the picker? Apr 29 06:35:14 there sorely needs to be a mass select, tap+drag or shift+tap+tap.. Apr 29 07:53:56 vzw 1.4.1.1 is out Apr 29 07:54:19 dloading now Apr 29 10:45:52 rwhitby: if I could hug you for your posts in the "Super Pre Kernel App" thread, I would. Apr 29 11:20:19 idontwan2know: just do it, give him a virtual hug ;-) Apr 29 11:57:21 idontwan2know: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2412077 is my latest post Apr 29 12:00:58 always so level headed Apr 29 12:01:57 hi guys anyone knows how to do to adapt to different languages the "device menu ultramix" patch? Apr 29 12:04:29 i've read on pre central that the problem that i'm having regards the menu language because the patch become just in english Apr 29 12:06:36 Sn4k3: take a look at the source code for one of the patches that already include international support. Apr 29 12:08:32 Sn4k3: look through the kernel list in Preware. Find one that says it supports non-US. Find the appid. Look on patches.webos-internals.org for that patch and download the source code for it. Apr 29 12:09:11 ok Apr 29 12:11:28 i've just two recovery packs on preware kernel Apr 29 13:06:20 I was in an all-day meeting (out of town) yesterday so I missed the reaction here to the HP news. I thought of you guys/gals/robots when I saw the headline, though Apr 29 13:07:09 nt4cats: we thought of you too :) Apr 29 13:07:43 well, I did when I saw a couple of git checkins in my RSS feed from gitorious ;) Apr 29 13:10:13 rwhitby: I need to test that script on a few different flavors of Ubuntu (I've only tried Karmic so far), and I'd like to address the "detect if a non-developer-mode Pre is plugged in" idea, but other than that it should work for getting novacom installed (which once I realized that novacomd doesn't depend on the SDK or Java is quite simple) ... Apr 29 13:12:05 terminal needs a redraw screen shortcut. Apr 29 13:13:00 rwhitby: The other issue that probably should be addressed is that the URLs for the novacom download are hard-coded in the script, It'd be nicer if those were pulled from a central location that we could update when the URL changes -- or possibly have the script check to see if there is a newer version of the script before running ... Apr 29 13:13:59 voltnine: I am sure that the development team would welcome you adding that feature! Apr 29 13:14:14 heh Apr 29 13:14:46 first i'll do a wirc patch for /quote support. Apr 29 13:15:01 terminal is probably insane. Apr 29 13:16:29 ports install menus look seriously garbled Apr 29 13:19:58 to the point that I might've just accidentally installed x 11 Apr 29 13:22:55 guys i've a problem installing the patch "device menu ultramix" because my menu language isn't english Apr 29 13:23:07 Voltnine: you accidentally installed x11? Is that like coming home and telling your wife "Honey, I accidentally bought a motorcycle." Apr 29 13:23:41 it doesn't show all the menu voices that are supposed to be Apr 29 13:23:41 i'm installing imagemagick Apr 29 13:24:04 can anyone help me to change the patch language? Apr 29 13:24:16 and there's a million dependencies getting installed Apr 29 13:24:24 Sn4k3: I haven't written a patch, so my response to your issue is conjecture -- but given that a patch is literally a 'search and replace' on a javascript file, this doesn't surprise me. Apr 29 13:25:10 voltnine: okay, I guess that is not much like an accidental motorcycle purchase. Oh, and I don't recommend trying that line with your wife -- if she's anything like mine it won't work. Apr 29 13:25:14 I couldn't really read the options menus too well. I tried to disable all the x stuff but... Apr 29 13:25:22 heh Apr 29 13:25:23 it's an html file Apr 29 13:26:01 Sn4k3: ... what I think you'd want to do is release an Italian version of the patch. Apr 29 13:26:20 yea Apr 29 13:26:27 I see gnome related stuff going on... oh no. Apr 29 13:27:23 I fail at server admin. Apr 29 13:28:04 and my pre fails at battery consumption Apr 29 13:28:14 Sn4k3: (I am shooting from the hip here -- I don't have much experience in this area ...) You can probably get the English version of the original file being patched from the SDK (I am assuming that you have the ability to download the SDK that would have the English original file in your country). Then you can compare that with your Italian version, and that should enable you to figure out how to change the current patch Apr 29 13:28:14 (or make your own patch) Apr 29 13:28:31 a quarter gone after one hour of use Apr 29 13:29:49 Sn4k3: the webosdoctor download also has a disk image in it that probably has the original file you're looking for (that may be easier for you to get and unpack if you don't want the full SDK) Apr 29 13:30:14 understand :) Apr 29 13:30:16 ty Apr 29 13:30:46 ... basically if you take the unmodified English file and see how the patch changes it, that should go a long way towards helping you figure out what changes to make to the Italian version of the same file. Apr 29 13:32:07 Sn4k3: and then you can release an Italian version of that patch using the webos-internals infrastructure and become famous and have thousands of adoring fans Apr 29 13:32:22 lol xD Apr 29 13:34:12 nt i want to do it doing another thing Apr 29 13:35:57 i want to copy the html file modified by the patch and overwrite the italian once(i know the original, patched, destination and the final, italian, destination) but i dunno how to take the files from the directories Apr 29 13:36:26 inside the phone oviously Apr 29 13:36:36 Are you asking how to transfer files from your PC to the phone? Apr 29 13:36:58 the inverse from phone to pc Apr 29 13:37:12 and even remove them from phone Apr 29 13:38:33 Sn4k3: there are a couple of ways to do it, the 'easiest' (but not most efficient) is to make a directory in /media/internal [e.g. mkdir /media/internal/transfer -or- mkdir /media/internal/catsRcool] it doesn't matter what you call the directory. Apr 29 13:39:05 god it's installing python?! Apr 29 13:39:54 Sn4k3: then when you're logged into your phone via ssh or novaterm you simply cp {source} /media/internal/{whatever} (don't type the brackets, those are just placeholders). Then you logout of the phone, connect it to your PC and put it in USB mode -- and your {whatever} folder will be right there. Apr 29 13:40:49 ty :) Apr 29 13:42:16 Sn4k3: if your phone is in developer mode you can also use novacom to copy files from/to the phone, but I rarely use this method myself. Apr 29 13:42:17 Sn4k3: of course, if you have your phone setup for ssh access, you can also use "scp" (this is my preferred method). Apr 29 13:42:43 i'll do that using novacom (is the only way i have now) Apr 29 13:42:50 xD Apr 29 13:42:57 in god we trust Apr 29 13:44:00 Sn4k3: you can find examples of using novacom to get/put files here http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accessing_Linux_From_Linux Apr 29 13:44:08 thank you rwhitby, just reading PC in my downtime at work. IMMD Apr 29 13:45:36 i'm going to try :) nt cya later and thanks of ur time :) Apr 29 13:46:06 Sn4k3: good luck Apr 29 14:23:00 how can i modify the READ ONLY permission on the /usr directory? Apr 29 14:23:02 Sn4k3: use novaterm to login to your Pre's shell and type (no quotes) "mount -o remount,rw /" -- this will make your disk writable. Once you're done, do "mount -o remount,ro /" to reset it to read-only Apr 29 14:23:34 ok thanks a lot Apr 29 14:27:38 i've done that Apr 29 14:27:57 nt4cats thanks a lot for ur suggestions Apr 29 14:30:23 guys there is a last roblem Apr 29 14:30:52 as u know in preware there is a linux daemon forwebos Apr 29 14:31:05 that is a sort of counter for data type connection Apr 29 14:31:24 i've tried to install that but i can't see it in the menu Apr 29 14:40:46 Sn4k3: From reading the application description, it looks like there is no menu for it. It collects the statistics and SQL database on /media/internal Apr 29 16:05:17 nt4cats: mets are coming into philly on a 9-1 streak.. Apr 29 16:09:29 what terminal apps do people in here use? Apr 29 16:09:46 I use Terminal generally. Apr 29 16:10:14 every time I tried that one my pre would crash :( Apr 29 16:12:10 zsoc_wirc: Yes, the Mets are clearly on fire and the Phillies are pretty cold right now. Apr 29 16:12:44 RagingMind: it was fixed a few weeks back, update it and the plugin Apr 29 16:13:05 zsoc_wirc: of course, Halladay (Saturday's probable started for the Phillies) is pretty mad (at himself) over his last outing, so I'm not sure I'd want to be the Mets Apr 29 16:13:06 nt4cats: I wouldn't mind beating up on you a couple of games early in the season ;) Apr 29 16:13:10 (at least not that day) Apr 29 16:13:50 Halladay was an AL pitcher right? they probably haven't seen too much of his stuff either. Apr 29 16:14:10 zsoc_wirc, I've only had my pre for two weeks as of tomorrow Apr 29 16:14:37 RagingMind: Terminal does not crash unless you use the back gesture :D Apr 29 16:14:50 this was after closing it Apr 29 16:16:06 a couple seconds after closing it either I'd wind up with what looks like a restart or in one case where I had just put it in disk mode I had to take the battery out Apr 29 16:17:38 definitely was fixed Apr 29 16:17:45 hmm... k Apr 29 16:18:49 RagingMind: do you know about the "hold the power button down and toggle the ringer switch" method of restarting the phone? This works for me instead of taking out the battery Apr 29 16:18:53 Where is the saved packages list for preware saved? Apr 29 16:19:08 nt4cats, I'd heard people talk about it before Apr 29 16:19:17 but at the time I couldn't find any reference to it Apr 29 16:19:34 minego: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Save_and_Restore Apr 29 16:20:03 RagingMind: hold power button down, toggle the ringer switch slider 4 times (on/off, on/off, on/off, on/off) Apr 29 16:20:21 let go of the power button, the phone should reboot Apr 29 16:20:42 I don't see anything in /media/internal/saverestore Apr 29 16:21:14 RagingMind: this is the procedure I follow, I've heard conflicting reports of whether it needs to be 3 times, 4 times, etc ... and I'm too lazy to look up the 'real' procedure. doing like I said works (but may be more toggles than is strictly required) Apr 29 16:21:31 I need to install everything from the saved package list, except one Apr 29 16:22:08 Lunch just arrived -- be back in a bit Apr 29 16:25:12 Does anyone know where the saved package list is stored? Apr 29 16:28:01 vzw 1.4.1.1 doctor available yet? Apr 29 16:31:13 jacques, it's available via updates... Apr 29 16:31:54 should I upgrade through upgrades or will preware do that? will I lose patches? /me is in first upgrade freak out Apr 29 16:33:30 RagingMind: remove theme (if any), OTA, open preware, click 'update all' Apr 29 16:35:49 just patches and not apps/services? Apr 29 16:46:16 RagingMind: right Apr 29 16:49:46 do I have to update from preware? cause the update app thingy is already working on downloading it Apr 29 16:55:59 RagingMind: nono. you update from the ota app Apr 29 16:58:04 ah Apr 29 16:58:16 k, I think I got it Apr 29 17:11:44 hello Apr 29 17:23:44 yo Apr 29 17:24:37 I am setting up a clean install of openssh and have discovered two iptables rules one of which opens up all interfaces... Apr 29 17:25:57 and ... ? Apr 29 17:26:17 how can I determine what is inserting the second rule Apr 29 17:26:51 the first one is defined (properly) in /etc/event.d/mobi.optware.openssh Apr 29 17:28:22 <__phil__> hi all Apr 29 17:29:27 the second rule is set to 'any' on the in interface... not exactly best practice when I only want local access. Apr 29 17:29:47 chlore: both rules are active? Apr 29 17:29:51 yes Apr 29 17:30:06 <__phil__> i just installed 1.4.1.1. My patches are listed in the saved package list. I've looked for a FAQ about some quick and easy method to apply them en masse with no luck. How do I install all of my patches without removing and reinstalling them individually? Apr 29 17:31:25 __phil__: they should also be listed under available updates Apr 29 17:31:38 result from iptables -L -v | grep ssh : Apr 29 17:31:41 268 20928 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:ssh Apr 29 17:31:49 3340 266K ALLOWED_PACKETS tcp -- any any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:ssh Apr 29 17:33:01 it is the ALLOWED_PACKETS chain reference that has me concerned. Apr 29 17:38:39 bromowich: you there? Apr 29 17:40:59 chlore: I have that iptables rule too - not sure what to make of it Apr 29 17:41:07 I can't find where it's set Apr 29 17:42:41 i did... Apr 29 17:43:06 grep -H -r "ALLOWED_PACKETS" /etc Apr 29 17:43:12 chlore: I just did grep -r iptables /etc Apr 29 17:43:44 in /etc/pmnetconfig/iptables-usbnetmode.config Apr 29 17:44:16 yup... I thought by ssh over usb I would be mores secure..... what I get for thinking... Apr 29 17:45:56 and yes I can connect over evdo with that setup... not what I wanted to do. Apr 29 17:46:17 why not just novaterm over usb ? Apr 29 17:46:20 chlore: are you on sprint? Apr 29 17:46:24 yes Apr 29 17:47:10 I hear vzw blocks lots of ports, and their users cannot ssh in on the normal port Apr 29 17:47:23 bpadalino|work: I have lots of issues with novaterm Apr 29 17:47:29 do you ? Apr 29 17:47:32 having to do with full-screen apps Apr 29 17:47:34 novaterm is not exactly what I consider a "nice" terminal... editors dont work properly Apr 29 17:47:35 i don't have many Apr 29 17:47:43 interesting Apr 29 17:47:51 chlore: exactly Apr 29 17:48:04 zile fails miserably, for example Apr 29 17:48:17 ah, i haven't tried editing much over novaterm Apr 29 17:49:06 IIRC weechat also doesn't like novaterm much Apr 29 17:49:23 not recommended will send you running... Apr 29 17:50:04 I did notice that terminal app is working if you have fast thumbs... :) Apr 29 17:50:27 I heard there was still a craching issue with menu access Apr 29 17:50:32 s/ch/sh/ Apr 29 17:50:33 jacques meant: I heard there was still a crashing issue with menu access Apr 29 17:50:57 but xterm works pretty well :-D Apr 29 17:51:15 yea just dont access the menu and if you do exit out of the program (swipe up, settings save) and then restart Apr 29 17:51:50 restart= just reopen terminal Apr 29 17:52:15 <__phil__> zsoc_wirc: nope, nothing listed under "Package Updates" Apr 29 17:52:47 __phil__: update feeds Apr 29 17:53:32 <__phil__> zsoc_wirc: feeds are updated every time I load the preware app Apr 29 17:54:08 __phil__: then wait till rwhitby wakes up and symlinks the patches for 1.4.11 Apr 29 17:55:40 <__phil__> zsoc_wirc: when approximately does he wake? Apr 29 17:55:48 wait, he sleeps? Apr 29 17:56:24 he goes to sleep (or at least signs off of the IRC) at about 9:00a-9:30a Eastern time in the US Apr 29 17:56:27 3 hours or so Apr 29 17:56:31 <__phil__> he's been idle for 4.75 hrs, so probably not for another 3-4 hrs Apr 29 17:57:19 <__phil__> I'll check back then Apr 29 17:57:22 <__phil__> thanks Apr 29 17:57:32 * nt4cats feels special -- the last thing rwhitby said on this channel (according to infobot) was directed at me. Apr 29 17:57:52 (and it wasn't "you a**hole!", this time) Apr 29 17:58:03 <__phil__> oh b4 I forget, anybody else on verizon get the 1.4.1.1 update today? are they still getting key repeat? Apr 29 17:58:06 <__phil__> cuz I am Apr 29 17:58:22 zsoc_wirc: are symlinks required on a per-carrier basis? there should already be support for 1.4.1.1 sprint (at least it worked for me) Apr 29 17:58:51 jacques: that's an interesting notion. I'm unsure. Apr 29 18:08:56 anyone else experienced 'reboot now' hang...? third time it has happened to me today.... Apr 29 18:10:11 my google maps icon came back! Apr 29 18:19:21 hi Apr 29 18:19:56 hello Apr 29 18:20:18 jacques: I don't think that the feeds are carrier-specific ... at least looking at the URL patterns it doesn't look that way. Apr 29 18:22:52 why does wirc show up is jstop long after I've closed it? Apr 29 18:24:57 jacques: look at http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/ ... I think that's it Apr 29 18:41:29 RMind: the service is not tied to the app Apr 29 18:42:10 so once I launch it it keeps running? Apr 29 18:42:37 RMind: there are two pieces of software that make up your IRC client. A back-end service and a front-end/UI app Apr 29 18:45:27 jacques: ... so from what I can assess with no direct knowledge and using only the browser on my PC, there is nothing carrier-specific in the directory structure or the feed definition files themselves. Apr 29 18:54:51 nt4cats: hmm that implies AUPT should be working for verizon 1.4.1.1 already Apr 29 18:55:14 jacques: implies, yes. Reality seems to disagree, however. Apr 29 18:56:23 jacques: I wonder if the version at VZ (internally) really is 1.4.1.1 ... or maybe is it 1.4.1.1.1 or 1.4.1.1a or something like that Apr 29 18:57:19 jacques: if we could get at the http logs on ipkg.preware.org that'd tell us ... Apr 29 18:58:14 Is there someone other than Rod with access to that/those box/boxes? Apr 29 18:58:56 well, what data are you trying to get? Apr 29 19:00:18 dammit, ubuntu's download infrastructure is melted Apr 29 19:00:27 The webserver logs from ipkg.preware.org Apr 29 19:00:34 and I'm getting 60kiB/s from OSUOSL Apr 29 19:00:46 (that was an answer to halfhalo_class's question) Apr 29 19:00:48 no, I mean what data from the logs Apr 29 19:01:04 halfhalo: the exact URLs that are being requested -- especially ones that are returning 404's Apr 29 19:02:11 make that 30KiB/s Apr 29 19:03:12 and whats not working on vzw 1.4.1.1? Apr 29 19:04:11 halfhalo_class: I don't have VZ, but I've seen people here saying that they're not seeing any packages/patches in the feeds Apr 29 19:04:34 I have the full amount.... Apr 29 19:04:54 has anyone had a keyboard failure on a Palm Pre? Apr 29 19:04:58 nope Apr 29 19:04:59 halfhalo_class: <*shrug*> Apr 29 19:05:35 Now, what I AM wanting to do is make a patch that alters the launcher like the list patch does, but more Apr 29 19:05:51 Howdy Apr 29 19:07:25 Not to butt in, but I have a question about Verizon's 1.4.1.1 patch. It apparently broke my Preware software. I have just blown away my phone completely and updated back to 1.4.1.1 Apr 29 19:07:43 ok? Apr 29 19:07:49 I then used WebOS Quick Install to put preware and the package manager back on it Apr 29 19:07:51 Didn't happen to me, but meh Apr 29 19:08:00 It's rebooting now. Apr 29 19:08:12 but I'm not 100% confident that it's going to work. Apr 29 19:08:38 and it didn't. Apr 29 19:08:50 it's saying that Package Manager Service is not running Apr 29 19:08:55 but I did install the package manager Apr 29 19:09:01 it told me to reboot Apr 29 19:09:03 I did. Apr 29 19:09:08 Oh, I had issue with woqi not installing services Apr 29 19:09:10 the whole phone not just Luna or Java Apr 29 19:09:12 which version of WOSQI? Apr 29 19:09:18 had to use the bootstrap to make preware work Apr 29 19:09:30 now, how the hell do I unzip an ipk on mac Apr 29 19:09:41 wosqi is great, just not for installing preware heh Apr 29 19:09:56 halfhalo_class: a linux vbox Apr 29 19:10:01 the bootstrap script has been working perfectly for me lately Apr 29 19:10:05 ewwww Apr 29 19:10:06 2.03 Apr 29 19:10:12 ephreet: :-| Apr 29 19:10:15 linux...... Apr 29 19:10:33 ephreet: and what version do the docs say to use? Apr 29 19:10:37 ephreet: you mean 3.02? Apr 29 19:10:49 OK 3.02 would be better Apr 29 19:11:23 just a sec Apr 29 19:11:40 2.6 Apr 29 19:11:47 is what I'm using, I thought it was 2.03 Apr 29 19:12:02 ephreet: delete it. download and install 3.02 Apr 29 19:12:05 NOW Apr 29 19:12:10 THINK OF THE CHILDREN Apr 29 19:12:15 right Apr 29 19:12:18 I did think it was pretty buggy Apr 29 19:12:27 well Apr 29 19:12:30 I had to use novaterm to install the 800MHz patch in 1.4 Apr 29 19:12:33 lost my ff window in spaces again Apr 29 19:12:53 oh, I must say govnah is nice Apr 29 19:13:11 Finally put it on my devpre last night and then decided it was going on sprint pre as well Apr 29 19:13:42 where's 3.02 at? Someone got a link? Apr 29 19:14:07 this is wehre I went http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/203951-webos-quick-install-contd.html Apr 29 19:15:03 brb, gotta chat with my boss. Apr 29 19:22:07 * jacques downloads ubuntu from estonia at 5x the speed he's getting from OSUOSL Apr 29 19:22:16 lol Apr 29 19:22:16 Back. Apr 29 19:22:19 why not a torrent? Apr 29 19:23:19 I'm at work behind a firewall that blocks everything. Apr 29 19:23:29 ah Apr 29 19:23:41 im at work directly connected to the server internets Apr 29 19:23:42 :p Apr 29 19:23:49 and a stupid proxy Apr 29 19:24:01 which doesn't allow continues Apr 29 19:24:06 hah Apr 29 19:24:13 I pwn my firewall... I mean own >.> Apr 29 19:24:27 Im not behind no stinking firewall Apr 29 19:24:29 <- network admin Apr 29 19:24:38 Or so they call me. Apr 29 19:24:41 wait, I am right now, hold on Apr 29 19:24:56 * halfhalo_class shuts off the machine with the firewall vm Apr 29 19:25:03 NOW I'm not behind a firewal Apr 29 19:25:27 * halfhalo_class restarts maching with firewall vm since it also hosts the movie collection Apr 29 19:25:38 our IT people only know some Windows Apr 29 19:25:40 no linux Apr 29 19:26:10 doh Apr 29 19:26:15 There are far more apple machines than windows machines in this office here Apr 29 19:26:26 I pretend to know linux and have a solaris box to play on Apr 29 19:26:33 internet access is my least favorite part of working here Apr 29 19:26:41 Uhhh... So 3.12 okay? Apr 29 19:26:45 for WOSQI? Apr 29 19:26:59 I just bash at the kb in linux Apr 29 19:27:05 generally works out just fine Apr 29 19:27:41 ephreet: I dunno - last I heard you needed 3.01 or later, but I never uuse WOSQI anymore - I use the bootstrap script Apr 29 19:27:57 My AVS just blocked me from the d/l Apr 29 19:28:05 Damn russians Apr 29 19:28:09 hah Apr 29 19:28:17 I no use AV Apr 29 19:28:29 firewall is also why I have to use the webchat irc client Apr 29 19:28:30 except on my laptop and desktop. And every windows computer in my house Apr 29 19:28:39 which is OK but not great Apr 29 19:29:32 still waiting to hear back bout plus sprint Apr 29 19:29:39 and sprint service where I work sucks, so I can't use that Apr 29 19:29:58 I'm getting 4/5 bars here Apr 29 19:29:59 halfhalo_class: hear back from whom? I too would like to know Apr 29 19:30:23 Well, I'm waiting to hear back from a friend of a friend for help Apr 29 19:30:29 but plan B is to ask my cousins Apr 29 19:30:39 since one works for vzw and the other for sprint Apr 29 19:30:40 well that was annoying Apr 29 19:30:48 thats what she said Apr 29 19:31:18 I killed my AVS with the management software and it severed my network connection Apr 29 19:31:35 see, if you killed it with fire that would not have happened Apr 29 19:31:41 brb foodgettingtime Apr 29 19:32:43 Did I just DC again? Apr 29 19:33:29 Hey, I think that fixed it Apr 29 19:34:29 <.< then again. Apr 29 19:36:36 mmmmmm Apr 29 19:36:43 fries and ranch.......... Apr 29 19:44:19 I miss the pepperoni pizza we used to get at lunch in High School.. I used to smother it in ranch. Apr 29 19:44:40 pizza w/ranch? oO Apr 29 19:44:53 heh Apr 29 19:45:14 pretty much everything is better with ranch Apr 29 19:45:21 even ranch Apr 29 19:45:29 s/ranch/ketchup Apr 29 19:45:30 :p Apr 29 19:45:53 do I need to break of my beating stick of DOOOM? Apr 29 19:52:23 sorry was afk again talking to idiots Apr 29 19:52:45 talking to yourself again, eh? Apr 29 19:52:45 no other pizza tastes as good with ranch Apr 29 19:52:57 end users... so it's worse. Apr 29 19:53:04 lol Apr 29 19:53:10 * halfhalo_class doesn't deal with users Apr 29 19:53:27 guy got a a BSOD on a win2k machine and wants me to fix it. Apr 29 19:53:41 thats an easy fix Apr 29 19:53:45 some gas and a lighter Apr 29 19:54:13 First he called me because his computer "had streaks of colors going down the monitor and shut down" and was wondering if I was doing something to it Apr 29 19:54:20 ephreet_: (like hh_c said) KILL IT WITH FIRE Apr 29 19:54:35 amazingly enough I don't have any ranch in my fridge... this makes me sad Apr 29 19:54:39 Basically I told him that I have been waiting for that machine to die and I wont' replace it. Apr 29 19:54:47 lol Apr 29 19:54:49 win2k = bad Apr 29 19:54:58 We don't even do imaging here. Apr 29 19:55:13 so I'm not going to blow the 2 hours it takes to put that machine back together again Apr 29 19:55:23 the real kicker is that he has another machine... OMG he's calling me again Apr 29 19:55:47 Damnit. Apr 29 19:56:00 He pulled the power cable and powered it back up again and it came up fine. Apr 29 19:56:01 lol Apr 29 19:56:14 I really was hoping that it would stay dead. Apr 29 19:56:14 go remote desktop in and break it Apr 29 19:56:31 psh if I was going to do that I'd do it from WMIC Apr 29 19:56:42 start killing processes Apr 29 19:56:47 do it Apr 29 19:56:49 now Apr 29 19:56:53 it is needed Apr 29 19:57:19 Too busy trying to get Uber-Kernel to work on my F|_|CKING PHONE Apr 29 19:57:33 this is really starting to try my patients Apr 29 19:57:43 it's just sitting there on the downloading thingy Apr 29 19:58:09 in preware. Apr 29 19:58:19 I already added the test feed Apr 29 19:58:20 found it Apr 29 19:58:27 and am trying to install it. Apr 29 19:58:32 but again... it's just sitting there Apr 29 19:58:49 I'm sure it will eventually fail out with an IPKG error Apr 29 19:59:25 I've been working on this damn thing all day Apr 29 20:00:04 looks like HP is dropping Android and going all in w/ WebOS Apr 29 20:00:28 wasn't that obvious? Apr 29 20:00:41 from the precentral.net post from yesterday I thought so Apr 29 20:00:49 yah Apr 29 20:01:01 ZOMG I think I hate this phone. Apr 29 20:01:12 haha Apr 29 20:01:20 I mean't from the $1.2B investment... Apr 29 20:01:21 I just want it to work. Apr 29 20:01:22 that's it Apr 29 20:01:42 well.. they supposedly got 1.4B in patents Apr 29 20:01:49 ephreet_, do you have the download speed patch? Apr 29 20:01:58 no, but still, it should be done by now Apr 29 20:02:02 ephreet_: all you're doing is complaining. what are your actionable problems? Apr 29 20:02:10 I used to until I webosdoctored my phone Apr 29 20:02:38 i should reinstall that patch... I hate throttled downloads Apr 29 20:02:50 I am getting an IPKG error when trying to install Uber-Kernel Apr 29 20:03:35 Failed ErrorGenericMethodException: Failure during 'install' operation Apr 29 20:03:36 ephreet_: maybe.. tell us the error? Apr 29 20:03:41 I was working on it Apr 29 20:03:47 pastebin the entire error Apr 29 20:03:52 ~pastebin Apr 29 20:03:53 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. Apr 29 20:04:13 I'm on a browser on my PC Apr 29 20:04:19 and the error log is on my phone Apr 29 20:04:49 ephreet_: it's saved in media/internal Apr 29 20:04:59 I beliebe .webos-patches.log Apr 29 20:05:01 okay Apr 29 20:05:15 give me a sec Apr 29 20:07:36 I see a webos-patches.log Apr 29 20:07:44 but it was last modified at 10:21am Apr 29 20:07:58 so that's not going to have the errors I'm getting right now Apr 29 20:08:01 I opened it to make sure Apr 29 20:08:04 and it doesn't Apr 29 20:08:15 I just have it attached to my computer as a hard drive and am browsing it Apr 29 20:08:15 * oil wonders what happened to egaudet Apr 29 20:08:51 he died in a fire... of love! Apr 29 20:11:38 It looks to me that media/internal is actually the root that Windows explorer brings you to Apr 29 20:11:54 it is Apr 29 20:13:38 Yeah this log doesn't have any information in it beyond 10:21AM Apr 29 20:14:12 I feel dumb Apr 29 20:14:17 there's a thing where I can email it Apr 29 20:18:42 is it worth it to install bash? Apr 29 20:23:08 okay I have the error message but now I don't know which one of those options to use to paste it in here Apr 29 20:23:24 Package org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre md5sum mismatch. Either the ipkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'ipkg update'. Apr 29 20:23:35 but that's the actual error message Apr 29 20:31:45 Anyone got anything for me? Apr 29 20:31:55 burn it? Apr 29 20:32:04 Too late, I need to get this working. Apr 29 20:32:10 * halfhalo_class is writing a tracking app for his phone Apr 29 20:32:43 zsoc_wirc does that error message mean anything to you? Apr 29 20:33:26 come on, he flamed me and left Apr 29 20:35:01 Well, it's quittin' time so I guess I'll work on it tomorrow. Apr 29 20:35:35 l8r Apr 29 21:08:23 What was the name of the preware app that does the kernel swapping? Apr 29 21:08:35 govnah? Apr 29 21:09:14 govnah just changes the governor settings Apr 29 21:09:16 I thought preware itself did it Apr 29 21:09:36 yeah, the kernels are installed and uninstalled by preware itself Apr 29 21:10:01 Is it only in a particular feed? I seem to lack them Apr 29 21:10:11 Granted, I could just build a kernel myself but :effort: :) Apr 29 21:10:16 testing Apr 29 21:10:27 Then there's the "Super Pre Kernel App", but I'm reasonably sure it's not in Preware Apr 29 21:20:23 idontwan2know, the uber kernel? Apr 29 21:20:56 chrisa: in the testing feed Apr 29 21:21:00 ~testing-feed Apr 29 21:21:02 somebody said testing-feed was a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Apr 29 21:21:24 I just found a forum post all about how it is in testing... but I'm having a hard time reading through the posts because forums.precentral.net give a DNS error Apr 29 21:21:30 so I'm using the google cache Apr 29 21:22:00 RagingMind: nope...."Super Pre Kernel App" is a fancy repackaging of the old 1.4.0 overclocking kernel that's been around forever. Apr 29 21:22:36 Uber Kernel is a legit new build with more governor options, cpu temp sensor, etc. Apr 29 21:23:05 does super pre kernel have anything that the uber one doesn't? Apr 29 21:23:43 It's been tested much more broadly and is more idiot proof. Apr 29 21:24:01 But otherwise no. Apr 29 21:24:36 And again, "Super Pre Kernel" is not a new kernel. It's an app that installs the kernel that's been around for months. Apr 29 21:24:40 does the stock kernel do any scaling at all? Apr 29 21:25:05 cause 125MHz is much more tempting to me than 800MHz Apr 29 21:25:32 It goes from 500 to 600mhz when SDL apps run, but otherwise no. Apr 29 21:25:37 At least as far as I know. Apr 29 21:27:00 it also goes from 600 to 500 :-) Apr 29 21:27:08 lol Apr 29 21:27:10 yes, that too Apr 29 21:32:09 RagingMind: be warned, some Pre's become unstable and hang at 125mhz Apr 29 21:32:28 mine does, but handles 250mhz fine Apr 29 21:32:31 250 would still be nice Apr 29 21:33:44 Personally, I haven't noticed a significant gain in battery life from scaling Apr 29 21:34:16 * halfhalo_class can't comment on battery since he has been playing games on his pre and the battery conks out really fast while doing that Apr 29 21:34:57 I figured out how to select an entire line in the browser... but how so I select one word? Apr 29 21:35:01 but I suspect that I'm running a lot of stuff that is forcing the processor to throttle up frequently Apr 29 21:35:38 9 hours a day my pre sits in a drawer in airplane mode with the ringer off Apr 29 21:35:42 wirc, JSTop doing scheduled garbage collects, etc. Apr 29 21:36:01 i've thought about turning it off completely... but that's a huge pain when I do want to use it at lunch Apr 29 21:36:56 morning Apr 29 21:38:00 murnin Apr 29 21:39:26 * idontwan2know hugs rwhitby Apr 29 21:43:52 vzw 1.4.1.1 doctor is up Apr 29 21:51:38 sweet Apr 29 21:51:43 gonna use that later today Apr 29 21:51:47 but for now, home time Apr 29 21:52:18 jacques: URL on wiki page? Apr 29 21:52:59 "the next phone to come out wont need a kernel anyways" Apr 29 21:53:22 It's magic! Apr 29 21:54:42 idontwan2know: yeah, I laughed at that one too Apr 29 21:55:39 WTF Apr 29 21:55:58 I have to login to wiki AND do an unreadable captcha? Apr 29 21:57:08 AND copy and paste a multi-line code??? Apr 29 21:57:35 I was going to add the hash, but I don't have that kind of time (at work) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 29 22:00:14 2010 Apr 29 22:00:17 s/;/&&/g Apr 29 22:01:57 Yes...and the fact that nobody in that group can do it is all I need to know to tell me I shouldn't touch any of their work. Apr 29 22:02:31 kids with a chemistry set Apr 29 22:04:12 when I do git clone git.webos-internals.org:preware/build.git why is it trying to connect to port 22 ? which is blocked by the firewall, instead of the git port ? Apr 29 22:05:36 jacques: use git:// instead if you just want read access Apr 29 22:05:58 git://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build.git Apr 29 22:06:27 yeah I tried that but no luck Apr 29 22:06:51 oh, I had left the : in there Apr 29 22:06:55 fatal: Unable to look up git.webos-internals.org (port preware) (Servname not supported for ai_socktype) Apr 29 22:07:06 instead of changing it to a / Apr 29 22:07:38 git://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build.git works, git://git.webos-internals.org:preware/build.git doesn't Apr 29 22:10:24 yep, it's finicky about the slashes and colon Apr 29 22:12:08 * jacques is doing the "make package" step now Apr 29 22:18:29 so when building the uber-kernel, what's with all the warnings like this: /tmp/ccb6Tmnj.s:114: rdhi, rdlo and rm must all be different ? Apr 29 22:19:07 I've seen those before and IIRC they went away with a newer toolchain, but I don't know how serious they are Apr 29 22:19:32 jacques: dunno, I see them too. Apr 29 22:20:37 now I wish I had done "make -j3 package" Apr 29 22:21:19 ah, that's better Apr 29 22:21:56 jacques, were you able to get any further with sb2? Apr 29 22:22:19 ka6sox: no, tho I haven't exactly had much time recently Apr 29 22:22:33 okay, just checking Apr 29 22:22:48 last time I looked at it, it almost looked like a different error Apr 29 22:22:53 not positive tho Apr 29 22:24:27 it was exactly in same place Apr 29 22:24:36 unable to built a.out Apr 29 22:25:02 well, unable to build a runnable a.out, which is not exactly the same thing :-) Apr 29 22:26:02 3025676 2010-04-29 15:24 org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre_1.4.1-9_arm.ipk :-) that was easy Apr 29 22:32:28 ugh, govnah does not like to be parallel built Apr 29 22:33:18 jacques: so 30 mins from instructions to kernel package for you Apr 29 22:34:04 rwhitby: 25 minutes of that was downloading files Apr 29 22:34:22 esp the strange eu doctor image which I did not already have Apr 29 22:38:54 hey Apr 29 22:39:16 i updated my meta-doctored dev device to 1.4.1.1 yesterday and have not found any problems yet Apr 29 22:40:37 is there a patch available / planned which scans all mail folders of an IMAP4 account for new mails instead of only the Inbox? Apr 29 22:56:33 bbl Apr 29 23:08:11 is there a patch available / planned which scans all mail folders of an IMAP4 account for new mails instead of only the Inbox? Apr 29 23:17:00 rwhitby, silly question but I can't get the forum to load right... is uber kernel in testing still? Apr 29 23:18:02 RagingMind: yes, still in testing feed Apr 29 23:18:19 RagingMind: we need to add a disclaimer facility to Preware before installation before we can put it in the public feed Apr 29 23:18:38 (so we can have people accept that installing Uber-Kernel may void their warranty) Apr 29 23:19:05 anyone else having issues connecting to precentral forums? Apr 29 23:21:06 working fine here Apr 29 23:23:28 do I have to have preware alpha or just preware to see it? Apr 29 23:24:24 either Apr 29 23:24:41 AH! I found it Apr 29 23:24:44 it was hiding Apr 29 23:24:51 biab Apr 29 23:55:50 *wave* Apr 29 23:56:10 hello Apr 29 23:56:14 What makes you a Palm Pre Lawyer exactly? Apr 29 23:56:46 * PalmPreLawyer is a tech lawyer/law prof who uses a Pre. Apr 29 23:57:13 damn Apr 29 23:57:31 I was hoping it meant that you won cases through clever use of a Pre. Apr 29 23:57:52 Sort of like Matlock, but with a phone rather than folksy cunning. Apr 29 23:59:51 idontwan2know, the Pre is folksy cunning incarnate ;) Apr 30 00:00:23 pre sux Apr 30 00:00:26 jk Apr 30 00:00:39 burn her! she's a witch! Apr 30 00:06:27 Sorry; Pre crash. Apr 30 00:08:09 * ProfJonathan is also PalmPreLawyer, which hasn't timed out. Apr 30 00:09:53 * ProfJonathan is grilling by Pre Flashlight. Apr 30 00:19:19 hey ProfJonathan Apr 30 00:19:52 Hey back, Rod Apr 30 00:20:43 * halfhalo_T400 is working on his next mini app which will be called 'preMonitor' Apr 30 00:22:09 rwhitby: have you heard about any keyboard malfunctions on pre's? Apr 30 00:22:41 Lumiere: double letters or lack of double letters ? Apr 30 00:23:52 rwhitby: lack of letters generally Apr 30 00:24:00 I can get it to type 2 or 3 Apr 30 00:24:02 then it stopps Apr 30 00:24:10 -p ;) (and no I am not on my pre) :) Apr 30 00:24:25 what is a good irc client for mac? Apr 30 00:24:38 PreGame: adium should do irc Apr 30 00:25:04 isnt that a chat client? Apr 30 00:25:11 it does irc Apr 30 00:25:30 i don't want something that "does" irc, i want the best client :) Apr 30 00:25:41 PreGame: it's based onthe same backend as the conversations client on the pre :) Apr 30 00:25:46 i like LimeChat Apr 30 00:25:54 PreGame: I use LimeChat Apr 30 00:26:05 i know :) i just fingered you Apr 30 00:26:11 kinky Apr 30 00:26:11 apple users! *RUNS AWAY* Apr 30 00:26:29 ok, this will be interesting to make since it is essentially a two part app Apr 30 00:26:32 i fell in love with the ipod touch so i am now a mac freak. i used to be anti apple till about a week ago Apr 30 00:27:33 anyone having issues with 1.4.1.1 rebooting randomly? Apr 30 00:27:58 my phone rebooted 3 times yesterday randomly and 1 of the times was right after i put it on the palm docking station Apr 30 00:41:46 HOLY Apr 30 00:41:47 CRAP Apr 30 00:41:48 YOU Apr 30 00:41:49 GUYS Apr 30 00:41:53 ? Apr 30 00:41:56 * Adora squeals Apr 30 00:42:01 mmmmmmmmmmmyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeessssssssss? Apr 30 00:42:02 hi =] Apr 30 00:42:09 heyo Apr 30 00:42:47 rwhitby: hey, is anyone going to be at SELF? Apr 30 00:42:58 can get you guys free booth space Apr 30 00:47:51 Adora: what is SELF ? Apr 30 00:47:59 south east linux fest Apr 30 00:48:07 in...south carolina, I think? Apr 30 00:48:11 mid june Apr 30 00:48:25 is Rick anywhere near there? Apr 30 00:48:36 http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org/ Apr 30 00:48:38 where is rick? Apr 30 00:48:49 no Apr 30 00:48:52 rick is in cali Apr 30 00:48:55 other side of the US Apr 30 00:49:01 oh, well then nowai Apr 30 00:49:42 I though Rick was in Kansas Apr 30 00:49:50 i thought so too Apr 30 00:50:02 maybe so then i just know he goes to ALL the events in cali Apr 30 00:50:02 still quite a ways Apr 30 00:50:18 * rwhitby gets out his map of the US ... Apr 30 00:50:29 hehehehe Apr 30 00:50:54 Adora: sounds like it might be a stretch then Apr 30 00:51:44 rwhitby: that's cool, just wanted you guys to be aware Apr 30 00:52:04 friend of mine is organizing it and offered a bunch of stuff Apr 30 00:52:20 we -might- be sending an engineer, but he'll be in more of a personal capacity than on official palm business Apr 30 00:52:52 Adora: thanks for the heads up - I'll ask the guys and see if anyone is interested. Apr 30 00:52:59 it looks like the stock kernel has the ondemand governor in it? Apr 30 00:55:21 Rick is in topeka, ks Apr 30 00:56:13 (I know because I'm an hour down the road from him) Apr 30 00:59:22 www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage.141-10.3_kirk for anyone who wants to test a new kernel Apr 30 00:59:39 this one doesn't have a tendency to hang when pressing the touchscreen, which I found quite useful Apr 30 01:00:43 * oil likes new naming convention :) Apr 30 01:00:44 whats different between that one and the uber one? Apr 30 01:01:37 RagingMind: I'm using cond_sched_softirq instead of using udelay in the prcm power management code if udelay fails to wake the hardware after, IIRC, 3 tries Apr 30 01:01:57 sbromwich: why not hansolo? Apr 30 01:02:14 uNiXpSyChO: for you, the next one will be named hansolo. Apr 30 01:02:45 * uNiXpSyChO giggles like a little school girl Apr 30 01:03:17 bless Apr 30 01:03:23 sbromwich, the advantage of this is? Apr 30 01:04:13 RagingMind: it's doing useful work instead of busywaiting? Apr 30 01:05:04 ah Apr 30 01:05:05 fun Apr 30 01:05:38 there's also the 5 second hang from the DSP when the camera's running but that's in the bridge code and I really can't be arsed to play about with DSPs any more Apr 30 01:06:06 oh, and I got preempt going too Apr 30 01:06:17 which should reduce the latency Apr 30 01:06:27 not sure if the patch for that is already in uber though Apr 30 01:12:59 terminal still locking up my phone :( Apr 30 01:15:27 RagingMind: that is sad :( Apr 30 01:45:21 re: govnah, shouldn't 100000 be available for sample rate in conservative mode? thought I saw it in some other modes Apr 30 01:46:42 I wouldn't recommend increasing the sample rate, that increases wakeups per second Apr 30 01:47:39 just looking for smoother transitions but maybe I am looking in the wrong place... percentages I guess Apr 30 01:47:41 ain't nothin' free Apr 30 01:47:58 define "smoother transitions" Apr 30 01:48:19 TANSTAAFL Apr 30 01:48:40 transition of what? Apr 30 01:48:45 speeds Apr 30 01:49:13 it is like I can see the speeds changing via lag Apr 30 01:49:24 the speed is transitioned directly from one frequency to another, it is not stepped or smoothed in any way Apr 30 01:49:47 I suspect you are looking for lower latency, and want to reduce up_threshold Apr 30 01:49:58 ok. Apr 30 01:50:02 50 maybe? Apr 30 01:50:13 that would be a good starting point Apr 30 01:50:36 what is a good sample rate for conservative? 500000? Apr 30 01:50:54 the default is IIRC 10000 which is more than enough IMO Apr 30 01:51:44 1000000 you mean Apr 30 01:52:02 could be Apr 30 01:52:24 ty Apr 30 01:52:46 YAMW Apr 30 01:54:17 wouldn't there be a freq step that would be a sweetspot with the available frequencies? if so, what is it? I know I know, testing Apr 30 01:56:09 depends on your phone Apr 30 01:56:33 every CPU has slightly different physical characteristics Apr 30 01:59:26 hmagoo 500mhz Apr 30 02:02:34 I'm trying out conservative on uberkernel with 250-800, 55% up threshold 20% down threshold, freq step 30% Apr 30 02:03:34 ?berKernel Apr 30 02:03:46 scratch that 720, 800 seems a lot hotter Apr 30 02:05:56 "The German prefix ?ber can have connotations of superiority, transcendence, excessiveness, or intensity, depending on the words to which it is prepended." heh. excessiveness. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 30 02:59:57 2010