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May 03 08:48:59 <hape> ~seen rwhitby
May 03 08:49:01 <infobot> rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals #oe #meego #nslu2-linux. Has said a total of 100 messages. Is idling for 8h 49m 16s, last said: 'WillJitsu: but yeah, we should not discount any possible cause.'.
May 03 08:49:14 <rwhitby> hey hape
May 03 08:49:29 <hape> hi, happy that you are there
May 03 08:49:35 <rwhitby> so am I :)
May 03 08:49:47 <hape> I have problems with a pre/post scrips of ipks
May 03 08:50:41 <hape> Is Preware making the root partition writable and switch it back or have the script to do it
May 03 08:50:54 <hape> My last test I assume that preware is doing this.
May 03 08:51:18 <rwhitby> Preware does this
May 03 08:51:36 <rwhitby> hape: *but* if you use palm-install, it will not do it.
May 03 08:52:03 <rwhitby> hape: look at the postinst for Preware or SaveRestore or Govnah for examples of how to do it in a way which works everywhere
May 03 08:52:55 <hape> the uses use WQIS and are geeting this kind of error => http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/224609-navit-pre-12.html#post2419199
May 03 08:53:46 <hape> When they try to install the locale packeg. The script is only one line to create a link to /usr/lib/locale to the loaclae in the package
May 03 08:54:25 <hape> as they are missing in webos.
May 03 08:54:36 <hape> The remove script is also only one line to remove the link
May 03 08:55:32 <hape> It only happens for some users not for all
May 03 08:57:29 <rwhitby> does the same error occur if they are using Preware to install?
May 03 08:58:02 <rwhitby> and where can I see the source code for the scripts in question
May 03 09:00:31 <rwhitby> hape: when do you want to start using an applications/navit.git repository, and start putting these things in the webos-internals testing feed?
May 03 09:42:03 <asmw> account
May 03 09:42:13 <asmw> sorry... wrong window
May 03 09:51:55 <xaiki> password:
May 03 11:38:48 <DarkSpecter> is there any way to trigger a webos update beside the updater app ?
May 03 11:41:13 <rwhitby> DarkSpecter: no
May 03 11:41:30 <DarkSpecter> then i'm doomed :P
May 03 11:42:01 <DarkSpecter> i have a german pre on a german network, and it still thinks that it's up to date with 1.4
May 03 11:52:48 <DarkSpecter> rwhitby: last question, when the pre checks for updates, does it contact palm directly or a server of the network provider ?
May 03 11:53:18 <rwhitby> DarkSpecter: it contacts servers from a content delivery network serving up palm content
May 03 11:54:39 <DarkSpecter> rwhitby: so when my pre gets a response from that network that it has a up to date OS, although thats not the case, its more or less palms fault ? ;)
May 03 11:56:09 <rwhitby> DarkSpecter: if you've never entered developer mode, yes.  if you've ever entered developer mode, then you gave up your right for things to work correctly
May 03 11:57:27 <rwhitby> if you can replicate it immediately after using the webOS Doctor, then you get to complain to Palm :)
May 03 11:57:55 <DarkSpecter> thats my problem, i dont want to doctor again, i'd lose my precious free monopoly :P
May 03 11:58:50 <DarkSpecter> i already had to doctor from 1.3.1 to 1.4 because my pre wouldnt recognize the update
May 03 12:12:33 <huehnerhose> Hi!
May 03 12:31:42 <DarkSpecter> rwhitby: seems it is palms AND my fault, because my pre got activated with a non O2 sim it seems it lost the ability to see updates beyond 1.3.2
May 03 12:32:58 <rwhitby> DarkSpecter: if you activated with a sim from a non-supported carrier, then unfortunately it's all your fault :)
May 03 12:33:18 <rwhitby> (as outrageous as that sounds, using a webOS device on an unsupported carrier is unsupported)
May 03 12:33:40 <DarkSpecter> rwhitby: well, it is now a supported carrier, as vodafone now also sells webos devices in germany ;)
May 03 12:34:00 <rwhitby> DarkSpecter: well, you need to reactivate it on that carrier then.
May 03 12:34:25 <DarkSpecter> still according to the support guy at palm i'm talking with right now its a known problem that palm is working on
May 03 12:34:53 <DarkSpecter> reactivate as in crerating a new palm profile ?
May 03 12:37:35 <swisstomcat> morning
May 03 12:38:57 <DarkSpecter> rwhitby: what would be the consequences or reactivating it, would i lose contacts or apps ?
May 03 12:39:32 <rwhitby> DarkSpecter: I do not know what a reactivation does to your profile.
May 03 12:41:46 <DarkSpecter> rwhitby: oh well, i guess i'll wait till palm comes up with a solution to this, its not like 1.4 is totaly unusable, preware > empty app catalog
May 03 12:42:03 <DarkSpecter> rwhitby: thx for taking your time to help me
May 03 12:44:49 <rwhitby> there's some testing versions of ipkgservice, preware and preware alpha in the testing feed if anyone wants to alpha test them
May 03 12:58:25 <rwhitby> wow, installing packages with Preware Classic is just so boring when you're used to using Preware Alpha
May 03 12:58:58 <mikewx> normally installing packages is "exciting" only when the packages are alpha and you don't know if your pre will reboot or not
May 03 12:59:28 <swisstomcat> heh
May 03 12:59:38 * swisstomcat goes off to finally install preware alpha
May 03 12:59:48 <nt4cats> this is scary
May 03 13:00:01 <nt4cats> I have a alpha update and a classic update queued
May 03 13:00:11 <mikewx> what is preware alpha anyway?
May 03 13:00:15 <nt4cats> it says it is going to install the package manager service, too (for classic)
May 03 13:00:40 <nt4cats> I'm curious to see what happens here (now that the c-service is built in to the alpha)
May 03 13:00:44 <rwhitby> nt4cats: lucky you  - a trifecta
May 03 13:01:06 <rwhitby> nt4cats: what's the worst that can happen - do it
May 03 13:01:26 <rwhitby> nt4cats: are you running classic or alpha ?
May 03 13:01:26 <nt4cats> rwhitby: my phone could suddenty morph into a Windows Mobile device
May 03 13:01:36 <nt4cats> rwhitby: running alpha
May 03 13:01:57 <nt4cats> ... no melting yet, prompting me for a java restart ...
May 03 13:02:02 <rwhitby> nt4cats: you know there's a better than even chance that it will work
May 03 13:02:22 <nt4cats> rwhitby: sure, if alpha gets upgraded second it'll probably work :)
May 03 13:02:38 <rwhitby> it all depends on whether it does ipkgservice or preware-alpha first, and I think it end up with a working preware in either case
May 03 13:03:11 <rwhitby> god knows I've tested enough transition scenarios that it *should* work.
May 03 13:03:47 <nt4cats> alpha appears to be happy
May 03 13:03:54 <nt4cats> (it is downloading feeds)
May 03 13:04:14 <rwhitby> are you getting download stats or not?
May 03 13:04:24 <rwhitby> (that tells you whether it's using the java or C service)
May 03 13:04:35 <nt4cats> Status (listing the URL being pulled), yes.  Byte counts, no.
May 03 13:04:48 <rwhitby> ok, so the java service got installed
May 03 13:05:09 <rwhitby> did preware-alpha update itself already, or not?
May 03 13:05:21 <nt4cats> yes, the alpha is at *.68 now
May 03 13:05:50 <rwhitby> heh - you've now got alpha front end working with classic backend
May 03 13:06:11 <nt4cats> I think I can bootstrap my way out of this pretty easily
May 03 13:06:22 <rwhitby> oh, you can get out of it with preware
May 03 13:06:42 <rwhitby> run preware, uninstall alpha, reinstall alpha
May 03 13:07:55 <rwhitby> you might need a java restart after the uninstall alpha if it stops the java service
May 03 13:08:30 <rwhitby> ok, I think I've now tested most combinations of Preware, Preware Alpha, and Uber-Kernel
May 03 13:08:32 <nt4cats> that was officially wierd
May 03 13:08:46 <rwhitby> nt4cats: what happened?
May 03 13:08:57 <nt4cats> I unstalled alpha (using classic), and then I clicked install alpha -- and saw byte counts during the download
May 03 13:09:24 <nt4cats> I can't believe I imagined that, but that's what I think I saw
May 03 13:10:42 <rwhitby> I can believe that - it's my "don't remove if there will still be one left" logic in the prerms
May 03 13:10:43 <nt4cats> classic backend appears to be running (didn't do a java restart) ...
May 03 13:11:31 <rwhitby> the alpha prerm is designed to *not* stop the service if you have both classic and alpha installed
May 03 13:11:55 <nt4cats> hmmm, no byte counts when downloading feeds when running alpha
May 03 13:12:00 <nt4cats> what I did:
May 03 13:12:06 <rwhitby> (since after we update to Preware 1.0, lots of people will hit uninstall on Preware Alpha, and you don't want that to remove the service)
May 03 13:12:27 <nt4cats> launch classic, remove alpha, install alpha, close classic, launch alpha, restart java, close alpha, launch alpha
May 03 13:12:40 <rwhitby> (and that has to be in Preware Alpha for the version *before* the version at which we transition to Preware 1.0
May 03 13:13:06 * mikewx goes to install this alpha thing everyone's so hot on
May 03 13:13:09 <rwhitby> nt4cats: as long as you never lost the ability to install a package, then my efforts have paid off
May 03 13:13:35 <nt4cats> I believe that I have always been able to install packages, yes
May 03 13:13:39 <swisstomcat> bbl .. i'm off to new york
May 03 13:14:09 <rwhitby> nt4cats: that is why we don't have Preware 1.0 released yet, cause I've been working on making these scenarios fail-safe
May 03 13:14:28 <rwhitby> cause 200,000 people are going to be doing it
May 03 13:16:16 <nt4cats> I don't see any jars with the (case-insensitive) substring "webos", "man", or "mgr" in them running, so I would say that the classic/java backend is not running
May 03 13:18:58 <nt4cats> .. and I don't see an installed package for it, either (assuming it is called "org.webosinternals.{something}")
May 03 13:20:03 <nt4cats> okay, c-language is running (I just installed save/restore and saw byte counts)
May 03 14:07:12 * rwhitby posts the facts of webos-internals kernel development and Super PreKernel at http://forums.precentral.net/showpost.php?p=2419433
May 03 14:12:21 <bpadalino|work> the time has come: a fact's a fact
May 03 14:20:10 <ytz> rwhitby: makes for a good read.
May 03 14:43:36 <rwhitby> bpadalino|work: nice reference :)
May 03 14:49:04 <bpadalino|work> i thought you'd like it
May 03 14:51:16 <ytz> (That's the 2nd reference to midnight oil I've heard in 2010. Haven't heard those guys in yeeeears)
May 03 14:52:02 <bpadalino|work> they were just on the radio here, which made me think of it
May 03 15:14:24 <rwhitby> ytz: my computer name is "oils"
May 03 15:14:41 <rwhitby> has been for the last 18 years
May 03 15:16:09 * nt4cats hates computers
May 03 15:16:23 <rwhitby> CPU Scaler Ultimate is now free
May 03 15:41:58 <sbromwich> rwhitby: what was the diff syntax you wanted for patches? diff -BuN?
May 03 15:45:17 <rwhitby> sbromwich: diff -BurN is what I use
May 03 15:47:41 <ytz> rwhitby: re "oils" -  wicked :)
May 03 15:48:16 <rwhitby> ytz: I think I changed the name of my first computer just after I saw them live on the Gold Coast.
May 03 15:48:38 <ytz> :)
May 03 15:49:07 <sbromwich> ta
May 03 15:49:51 * nt4cats recommends NOT clicking the little 'X' at the top-right corner of your window to activate it
May 03 15:50:48 <ytz> hee
May 03 15:59:30 * rwhitby bbt - night all - don't forget to test the Preware versions in the testing feed - they should update kernels nicely now
May 03 16:13:06 <mikewx> mytether is the worst $15 i've ever spent
May 03 16:13:33 <halfhalo_T400> Gotta love "donationware"
May 03 16:13:43 <mikewx> would be fine if it worked
May 03 16:14:00 <mikewx> but as it stands i'm kinda pissed and thinking of reporting him to paypal~
May 03 16:14:16 <halfhalo_T400> how is it not working?
May 03 16:14:37 <mikewx> same problem a bunch of other people in teh forums are having, and no response from author at all
May 03 16:14:45 <halfhalo_T400> ah
May 03 16:14:46 <halfhalo_T400> yeah
May 03 16:14:47 <mikewx> course those forums aren't shown till yo pay
May 03 16:15:05 <mikewx> i can connect to the wifi spot, but i have local access only (can only ping pre)
May 03 16:15:10 <halfhalo_T400> or until they crash, where the password is displayed
May 03 16:17:53 <dirs> hi
May 03 16:18:13 <oilsworkn> hi
May 03 16:18:21 <halfhalo_T400> ola
May 03 16:19:22 <dirs> i'm trying to update (with) meta-doctor. I put my phone on "usb mode" (power + volume up) but doctor says "we were unable to reset your phone"
May 03 16:22:43 * oilsworkn doesn't know anything about the meta-doctor or he would try to help
May 03 16:23:38 <iSmite> umm, been a while, but i spoke to someone in here once who was used to working with midi, if that someones here can u pm me please- at a bit of a loss
May 03 16:23:43 * halfhalo_T400 doesn't have linux running right now or he would help.   And he really needs to finish the minimeta script
May 03 16:24:53 <halfhalo_T400> actually, the script is pretty much done except for the repackaging of the doctor
May 03 16:26:16 * oilsworkn looks at halfhalo_T400 with disgust
May 03 16:26:28 <halfhalo_T400> awwww, why now...
May 03 16:28:36 <dirs> how can I errase everything from pre? I'm runing meta-doctor 1.4.1 and I failed installing doctor or meta-doctor 1.4.1.1
May 03 16:31:49 <halfhalo_T400> use an older, IE pre 1.3 doctor
May 03 16:32:43 <en0x> first do full erase then doctor it
May 03 16:32:52 <en0x> to get rid of everything
May 03 16:34:13 * halfhalo_T400 needs to find sources for his speech on why video games are art.... arg
May 03 16:42:08 <Templarian> http://twitter.com/palm/status/13314449433 <- Never saw Palm do that before.
May 03 16:42:22 <halfhalo_T400> that the theme one?
May 03 16:42:57 <oilsworkn> they've talked about stuff before
May 03 16:43:13 <Templarian> Oh, must have missed it.
May 03 16:43:35 <oilsworkn> non-official stuff that is
May 03 16:43:38 <Templarian> http://twitter.com/palm/status/13314623650
May 03 16:43:45 <oilsworkn> sadly, i go to look at the theme and: "OH NOES! This theme is currently unavailable. This may be because the author is making changes, check back shortly!"
May 03 16:45:52 <HattCzech_work> after installing the uber-kernel, i only need to remove it to restore the original, correct?
May 03 16:45:54 <Templarian> Palm's little marketing people must have fun picking the best tweets retweet how they feel as a company.
May 03 16:46:06 <HattCzech_work> or do i need to install the default one once i've removed the uber?
May 03 16:55:10 <oilsworkn> HattCzech_work: AFAIK, uninstalling uber reverts you to what you had before you installed it
May 03 16:55:21 <HattCzech_work> excellent
May 03 16:55:28 <HattCzech_work> thanks, oil
May 03 16:55:49 <oilsworkn> though i could be totally wrong
May 03 16:55:52 <HattCzech_work> sadly, i'm unable to use the uber-kernel governors, so i'll stick with the stock one for now
May 03 16:56:03 <oilsworkn> open govnah after you remove it, if you get no temp, then its gone
May 03 16:56:57 <HattCzech_work> yeah, i checked that
May 03 16:57:14 <HattCzech_work> then i tried to change the governor from userspace and it killed my phone
May 03 16:57:25 <HattCzech_work> so i removed govnah as well
May 03 16:59:24 * oilsworkn weeps
May 03 17:17:58 <bpadalino|work> rwhitby has been busy on a side project it seems: http://www.adelaide.edu.au/news/news39161.html
May 03 17:21:32 <oilsworkn> what makes you say that?
May 03 17:23:03 <bpadalino|work> he lives in adelaide
May 03 17:23:15 <nt4cats> he is part Mammoth
May 03 17:23:20 <oilsworkn> lol
May 03 17:23:29 <bpadalino|work> the pieces just fit
May 03 17:24:29 * nt4cats wishes he could magically transmogriphy his Pre into a Pre Plus (but stay on Sprint)
May 03 17:24:50 * oilsworkn has wished that before
May 03 17:25:48 <nt4cats> At least 50% of the time I want to fire up a 3D game it is to pacify a 5-year-old ... and "wait while Daddy reboots the phone" is not helpful when he's already impatient
May 03 17:26:05 <oilsworkn> lol
May 03 17:26:45 <oilsworkn> i find tossing all my cards will usually let me launch a 3d game
May 03 17:27:00 * nt4cats wishes his computer would go faster ... trying to display a few lines 119 million lines into a file ... (current command "tail -n +119830455 aggregate_geo_fact_phy.dat")
May 03 17:27:23 <nt4cats> it is just data, show it to me already!
May 03 17:28:16 <oilsworkn> that doesn't sound like any fun at all
May 03 17:31:14 <nt4cats> oilsworkn: I have an 18G file that is a CSV dump of a database table (I don't have much choice in the dump format, the toolset for this datawarehouse appliance is limited), and it is failing on load/import.  It is a lot of fun trying to figure out and fix whatever is making it unhappy
May 03 17:31:51 * oilsworkn wouldn't exactly call that fun
May 03 17:31:57 <oilsworkn> :)
May 03 17:50:27 <sbromwich> nt4cats: split might be helpful to cut the file into more manageable chunks, tail has to seek all the way through counting lines
May 03 17:57:15 <nt4cats> sbromwich: I know the error is very close to line 119830460, but don't know the byte offset (as this is a CSV the lines are variable in length)
May 03 17:58:01 <sbromwich> split -l 119830400 filename?
May 03 17:58:07 <nt4cats> sbromwich: .... so the whole command of "tail -n +119830450 aggregate_geo_fact_phy.dat | head -20 > the_lines.dat" has given me a snippet of the data
May 03 17:58:17 <nt4cats> sbromwich: but spilt has to count the lines, too, right?
May 03 17:58:45 <sbromwich> yeah, but only the once... then it's a lot easier to manipulate after ;-)
May 03 17:59:28 <chrisa> morning internet
May 03 17:59:34 <nt4cats> sbromwich: I'm only running tail once ...
May 03 17:59:47 <sbromwich> ah fair enough
May 03 17:59:54 <nt4cats> ... because now I'm looking at the 20-line "the_lines.dat" file :)
May 03 18:00:00 <sbromwich> heh
May 03 18:00:34 <sbromwich> hmmm... I seem to have lost the WAN interface on my phone
May 03 18:00:40 <sbromwich> that's... unfortunate
May 03 18:01:20 <halfhalo> its the damn WAN gnomes
May 03 18:01:58 <sbromwich> dunno, I've even taken the drastic (*cough*) step of booting the stock palm kernel
May 03 18:05:44 <Marajin> sbromwich: WAN? WAN? we don't need no steenking WAN!
May 03 18:09:25 <nt4cats> sbromwich: [waving my hand] These are not the WAN interfaces you're looking for.  Move along.
May 03 18:10:58 <oilsworkn> sbromwich on the stock kernel?
May 03 18:11:03 * oilsworkn marks calendar
May 03 18:11:40 <Marajin> oilsworkn: you been counting down to d-day on your sneaky wan destroying pre virus?
May 03 18:12:12 <oilsworkn> the virus is called preware! muwhahahaa
May 03 18:12:34 * oilsworkn kids
May 03 18:13:24 <mischko> I try updating or removing a patch (No Auto-Off While Charging) and it gives me an error.  The ipkg log file is not there when I ssh in to look at it and I can't get rid of the patch.
May 03 18:14:10 <Marajin> oilsworkn: mmh :p I wouldn't put it passed you!
May 03 18:14:31 * oilsworkn is a perfect angel
May 03 18:15:10 <oilsworkn> mischko: i dont believe the ipkg log is actually stored on device, its just whats returned when ipkg tries to install something through preware
May 03 18:15:21 <oilsworkn> if you see a message telling you to look at it, go to the app menu and select ipkg log
May 03 18:16:06 <mischko> A button shows up with "Ok" and one with "IPKG log". I look at it there (or in the menu) and see a file referenced in the Prerm section.
May 03 18:16:14 <mischko> That file is not on the device.
May 03 18:16:32 <mischko> It's a "rejects" fiel.
May 03 18:16:33 <mischko> file
May 03 18:16:37 <oilsworkn> ah
May 03 18:16:58 <mischko> ... bar-assistant.js.rej
May 03 18:17:05 <oilsworkn> well, i don't know anything about patch errors
May 03 18:17:08 <mischko> K.
May 03 18:17:10 <oilsworkn> or i would try to help
May 03 18:17:14 <mischko> thanks anyway!
May 03 18:17:24 <mischko> Someone here may chime in that's up to speed on this.
May 03 18:17:24 <oilsworkn> if dBsooner was here he would help you im sure
May 03 18:17:56 <mischko> dBsooner, ping
May 03 18:22:58 <sbromwich> oilsworkn: even on the stock kernel... doesn't even see a ppp0 device to ifconfig up
May 03 18:29:37 * oilsworkn has no clue
May 03 18:29:46 <dirs> hm.. someone know where can I find a older version of doctor?
May 03 18:30:06 <oilsworkn> didn't they remove a lot of the old ones?
May 03 18:30:43 <oilsworkn> you can try out: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
May 03 18:30:49 <oilsworkn> see if the link you want works
May 03 18:31:04 <dirs> don't work. I need an older version
May 03 18:31:59 <dirs> at least I think that I need an older one.. cause 1.4.1.1 (with or without meta) says that aren't enable to do their think..
May 03 18:32:01 <oilsworkn> well, we can't redistribute the doctor
May 03 18:32:22 <oilsworkn> i remember someone saying they found a torrent with a bunch of old doctors in it
May 03 18:32:31 <oilsworkn> but i have no clue where it came from
May 03 18:33:13 <dirs> will search but if someone have here can send for me?
May 03 18:33:31 <oilsworkn> its illegal for us to redistribute it
May 03 18:34:52 <Lumiere> oilsworkn: why is it illegal to redistribute?
May 03 18:35:24 <dirs> i found some torrent but without seeds etc.. maybe it's really illegal.. but ...
May 03 18:35:31 <oilsworkn> from that doctor versions page:
May 03 18:35:31 <oilsworkn> "RESTRICTIONS: The Software is licensed for use only with the single Palm device you originally purchased, and you may not distribute or make the Software available over a network or for use with multiple devices. The Software and supporting documentation may be copied only as necessary for backup or archive purposes in support of your use of the Software."
May 03 18:36:42 <Lumiere> yay for contridictions!
May 03 18:36:59 <RamsesFSFE> that's why I love free software
May 03 18:37:03 <oilsworkn> if we could distribute it, im sure we would have working links to them all on the wiki
May 03 18:37:08 <Lumiere> also
May 03 18:37:23 <Lumiere> that is likely a violation of the GPL
May 03 18:40:32 <jacques> sbromwich: ifconfig -a doesn't show ppp0 ?
May 03 18:40:40 <dirs> I just want that my pre works and if possible with meta doctor because I am in Brazil, so need to pass the activation. ideally with 1.4.1.1 to use the PDK. so I could go back to the development and stop procrastinating: P
May 03 18:41:24 <oilsworkn> so you downloaded 1411 and the metadoc isn't working on it?
May 03 18:42:12 <oilsworkn> two wircers in a row
May 03 18:42:22 * oilsworkn really needs to get PuffTheMagic to fix the service so we can release a 010
May 03 18:42:26 <zsoc_wirc> webos would be near perfect if I could stop the luna restarts while wircing and musicing
May 03 18:42:29 <oilsworkn> its so much more better then 004
May 03 18:42:39 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: fix how?
May 03 18:42:48 <zsoc_wirc> oilsworkn: you need to convert to plugin and catalog release
May 03 18:42:50 <PuffTheMagic> or r u just talking about the poll too much
May 03 18:42:56 <oilsworkn> make lag meeter not kill battery
May 03 18:43:00 <oilsworkn> yeah, that
May 03 18:43:04 <oilsworkn> and, there was something else
May 03 18:43:05 <PuffTheMagic> if someone gets it into autobuilder
May 03 18:43:07 <oilsworkn> oh, the \ bug
May 03 18:43:09 <oilsworkn> or /
May 03 18:43:11 <oilsworkn> one of ht ways
May 03 18:43:11 <PuffTheMagic> than is like a 2second fix
May 03 18:43:15 <PuffTheMagic> and actually
May 03 18:43:16 <jacques> wirc has a lag meter?
May 03 18:43:18 <PuffTheMagic> if u make a option for it
May 03 18:43:22 <oilsworkn> in 010 it does
May 03 18:43:23 <PuffTheMagic> in the prefs
May 03 18:43:25 <PuffTheMagic> u can just set it
May 03 18:43:26 <dirs> oilsworkn: isn't working. before I was with 141 w/ metadoctor
May 03 18:43:27 <jacques> ah :-)
May 03 18:43:30 <PuffTheMagic> jacques: it has for a long as time
May 03 18:43:36 <PuffTheMagic> just never released it ;)
May 03 18:43:39 <oilsworkn> a long long time
May 03 18:43:40 <oilsworkn> lol
May 03 18:43:47 <oilsworkn> practically, since 004 was out the door
May 03 18:43:59 <PuffTheMagic> yeah day after basically
May 03 18:44:00 <PuffTheMagic> :D
May 03 18:44:05 <oilsworkn> but that, and that escape bug
May 03 18:44:09 <zsoc_wirc> Ok everyone stop.
May 03 18:44:12 <dirs> oilsworkn: now when I run doctor or metadoctor both "are unable to..."
May 03 18:44:35 <oilsworkn> dirs i dont know anything about the metadoc, you're going to want to talk to rwhitby, im sure he'll be able to fix you up
May 03 18:44:35 <zsoc_wirc> We need to either get sb2 working on the autobuilder, or port the script for staging package headers and libs without sb2
May 03 18:44:44 <zsoc_wirc> it's holding back too many things
May 03 18:45:01 * oilsworkn waits for zsoc to get it going
May 03 18:45:11 <zsoc_wirc> oilsworkn: I has not the time or talent
May 03 18:45:18 <oilsworkn> wtf
May 03 18:45:23 <zsoc_wirc> jacques: you, what is the verdict on sb2 with the new mobo?
May 03 18:45:25 <jacques> I am stumped on the sb2 (really qemu-arm ?) problems on the autobuilder - only thing I can come up with is it's a AMD virtualization bug
May 03 18:45:41 <dirs> then... forgetting the piracy thing. someone could provide 1.3.5 to I try to fix the things (by that I read an old doctor is the way to work)
May 03 18:45:50 <jacques> zsoc_wirc: I am still seeing sb2-init errors with new MB
May 03 18:46:03 <zsoc_wirc> jacques: ok, well find a way to convert the current .mk's to suppose staging outside of optware downloads :p
May 03 18:46:32 <jacques> zsoc_wirc: parse error
May 03 18:47:36 <jacques> biab - gotta check something in the warehouse
May 03 18:47:56 <oilsworkn> that doesn't sound like making wirc work
May 03 18:48:16 <oilsworkn> :)
May 03 18:48:52 <oilsworkn> PuffTheMagic: an option for what in prefs?
May 03 18:48:55 <oilsworkn> to disable the lag meeter?
May 03 18:48:58 <oilsworkn> or to set the speed?
May 03 18:49:14 <PuffTheMagic> set the polling freq for the lag meter
May 03 18:49:19 <PuffTheMagic> in seconds
May 03 18:49:23 <PuffTheMagic> or usec
May 03 18:49:25 <PuffTheMagic> idont care
May 03 18:50:06 <oilsworkn> does the subscription already support passing the rate?
May 03 18:51:03 <swisstomcat> rehi
May 03 18:52:39 <oilsworkn> every time i see someone join on wirc, it makes me want to release an update :)
May 03 18:53:49 <swisstomcat> i'm taking a break in denver
May 03 18:54:28 <oilsworkn> flying home?
May 03 18:55:23 * oilsworkn goes to lunch
May 03 18:56:52 <phil_bw> dtzWill, you around?
May 03 18:57:41 <swisstomcat> going to new york before flying home tomorrow
May 03 19:01:28 <zsoc_wirc> jooray for luna restarts
May 03 19:05:14 <sbromwich> jacques: bsl0, eth0 and lo0 is all I got
May 03 19:14:17 <PuffTheMagic> oil: i dont remember if i made that subscribale yet
May 03 19:14:43 <PuffTheMagic> oil: idk what is going to be a good value anyway
May 03 19:14:47 <PuffTheMagic> so we should release it how it is
May 03 19:14:54 <PuffTheMagic> and then people will like it or not
May 03 19:15:03 <PuffTheMagic> then in the next version add the pref to adjust it
May 03 19:15:09 <PuffTheMagic> so everyone is happy ;0
May 03 19:31:28 <jacques> sbromwich: is the driver module loaded?
May 03 19:32:16 <zsoc_wirc> jacques: so what exactly is the incompatibility? sb2 with amd6d?
May 03 19:32:34 <jacques> sbromwich: you've tried the classic "airplane mode on, airplane mode off" workaround?
May 03 19:33:13 <jacques> zsoc_wirc: I was seeing segfaults running qemu-arm in the autobuilder env, which is a Xen VM running on AMD hardware
May 03 19:33:17 <sbromwich> well, I was in airplane mode all last week, and just turned it off this morning
May 03 19:33:29 <sbromwich> running doctor on it now to see what happens next
May 03 19:33:44 <zsoc_wirc> jacques: explain why there is a xenon vm running on an amd chip?
May 03 19:33:49 <jacques> sbromwich: if you are doctoring, that implies even rebooting didn't fix it?
May 03 19:33:55 <sbromwich> jacques: correct
May 03 19:34:06 <jacques> ugh.
May 03 19:34:11 <sbromwich> not even rebooting to stock palm kernel
May 03 19:34:55 <jacques> zsoc_wirc: XEN - several VMs are run on the autobuilder physical server
May 03 19:35:09 <zsoc_wirc> hm. I see
May 03 19:35:22 <jacques> but I had seen two other ppl complaining about sb2 not working for them, and they were also on AMD procs
May 03 19:35:30 <jacques> personally I only have intel to test with
May 03 19:35:34 <zsoc_wirc> jacques: did we gdb bt the segfaults? or does sb2 spit out a nice log?
May 03 19:35:46 <ka6sox> jacques, okay so you think its really an AMD issue :P
May 03 19:36:20 <jacques> sb2 log only includes the qemu-arm segfault - I can show you where it writes it
May 03 19:36:29 <jacques> I tried and was unable to get qemu-arm to dump core :-\
May 03 19:36:47 <ka6sox> okay I'll look there..where is it?
May 03 19:36:47 <jacques> I mean it would segfault, say it was dumping core, but I never found toe corefiles
May 03 19:36:55 <zsoc_wirc> interesting
May 03 19:37:09 <zsoc_wirc> maybe I should give it a whirl
May 03 19:37:22 <jacques> ka6sox: I cannot ssh from work, I need to bring my laptop up to find the exact location
May 03 19:37:36 <ka6sox> later then
May 03 19:37:41 <zsoc_wirc> jacques: I mean, in actuality, we don't need sb2 to cross compile. autobuilder already ompiles. we just need sb2 to stage libs and headers
May 03 19:38:04 <zsoc_wirc> in theory we could hardcode locations in the scripts for that. not the best practice I agree
May 03 19:41:54 <sbromwich> doctor seemed to do the trick
May 03 19:42:17 <zsoc_wirc> in fact...
May 03 19:42:21 <sbromwich> pulled my profile data down... now to see if it all comes back after rebooting...
May 03 19:42:45 <zsoc_wirc> does sb2 hold any advantages for us besides the /usr/local jail links?
May 03 19:43:14 <jacques> sorry. ppl keep coming into my cubicle and talking about work-related things - laptop is up now - bringing up VM to check location of logfile
May 03 19:44:56 <jacques> oh great. it looks like the log is removed on successful sb2-init
May 03 19:45:22 <zsoc_wirc> but I thought it wasn't being successful?
May 03 19:45:25 <jacques> all I can say without being able to login to the autobuilder is look in ~preware/.scratchbox2 for what looks like a config.log
May 03 19:45:40 <jacques> zsoc_wirc: it is successful on the only machine I can get to from work which is my laptop
May 03 19:45:44 <zsoc_wirc> why can't you log into autobuilder?
May 03 19:46:00 <jacques> because of the ()^(*^(*^%)(_$#&89-- MF POS work firewall
May 03 19:46:05 <zsoc_wirc> ah
May 03 19:46:39 <ka6sox> zsoc_wirc, this is a point of contention...
May 03 19:46:45 <jacques> anyway, in the config.log it shows trying to generate a runnable a.out and it fails - because of qemu-arm segfault
May 03 19:47:00 <ka6sox> okay...let me look.
May 03 19:47:02 <zsoc_wirc> well I might just set up a support mk script to handle staging properly from src_git and src_tgz
May 03 19:47:10 <zsoc_wirc> ka6sox: where is the contention?
May 03 19:47:20 <ka6sox> the work firewall.
May 03 19:47:24 <zsoc_wirc> ah
May 03 19:47:33 <jacques> don't be fooled by the ~preware/sb2_logs/ dir - that is not where the sb2-init logs go IIRC
May 03 19:47:44 <ka6sox> okay
May 03 19:48:06 <jacques> I am so damn frustrated by the firewall here at work - can't irc except with webchat, can't ssh
May 03 19:49:01 <jacques> ka6sox: also FYI, in my debugging I built my own qemu-arm binary (0.12.3 insteadl of 0.11.0 IIRC) because that had helped in the past, but in this case it did not help
May 03 19:49:12 <sbromwich> jacques: I usually get around that by setting up ssh on port 443 on a spare ip, ssl is usually permitted straight through
May 03 19:49:33 <zsoc_wirc> jacques: yeah, ssh to 443 and tunnel to other ports
May 03 19:49:36 <jacques> ka6sox: but the binary I built is the current active one - if you do which qemu-arm in that dir whould be a qemu-arm.orig or .backup or something
May 03 19:49:37 <jacques> which you can move over the current binary
May 03 19:49:53 <ka6sox> okay
May 03 19:50:03 <ka6sox> let me poke around a bit an look.
May 03 19:50:16 <jacques> I gotta run to warehouse floor - biab
May 03 19:55:41 <MetaView> huhu
May 03 19:55:53 <MetaView> I need the link to submit a patch
May 03 19:57:10 <ka6sox>  Patches: http://patches.webos-internals.org/
May 03 19:57:24 <MetaView> thank you
May 03 19:57:39 <ka6sox> yw
May 03 20:07:56 <ytz> aight. Gona see if I can make mysefl do something about teh lawnz0r
May 03 20:18:55 <FuMan> asdf
May 03 20:19:03 <MetaView> I need to know how to submit a patch with an icon file included, who can help me?
May 03 20:19:35 <FuMan> rwhitby: hell of a kernel rant you tweeted the other day
May 03 20:19:39 <FuMan> cleared up a lot of stuff
May 03 20:22:17 <ka6sox> MetaView, I don't see the people who can help you with that online right now...when they come online (in a little bit) then I'll point them to you.
May 03 20:22:45 <MetaView> would be cool
May 03 20:31:05 <nt4cats> MetaView: if you look at a feed file (e.g. http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.4.1.1/Packages ) you can see that a patch consists of a multi-field entry -- the "Source:" field has a JSON dictionary, one of the fields there is "Icon".
May 03 20:31:25 <nt4cats> MetaView: This doesn't say much about how you're supposed to submit it, but it does tell you something about how it gets packaged/hosted.
May 03 20:57:52 <uNiXpSyChO> anyone know anything about touchstone events?
May 03 20:58:53 <zsoc_wirc> uNiXpSyChO: zinge would
May 03 20:59:04 <zsoc_wirc> and rod and jaycanuck know some
May 03 20:59:25 <uNiXpSyChO> and they are all offline!  aaarrrrgggg
May 03 21:03:34 <ka6sox> lol
May 03 21:05:33 <PuffTheMagic> woot!
May 03 21:05:35 <PuffTheMagic> i called it
May 03 21:05:40 <PuffTheMagic> whooo!!!
May 03 21:05:47 * PuffTheMagic does a dance
May 03 21:06:07 <uNiXpSyChO> called what
May 03 21:07:00 <PuffTheMagic> http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2010/05/02/hp_drops_windows_7_from_slate_tablet_will_use_webos_variant
May 03 21:07:14 <uNiXpSyChO> ohhhhhhh
May 03 21:07:46 <PuffTheMagic> and it might drop intels too
May 03 21:07:48 <PuffTheMagic> :D
May 03 21:07:53 <PuffTheMagic> that i did not expect
May 03 21:08:48 * oilsworkn imagines wirc on tablet
May 03 21:08:57 * ka6sox can only hope they would use Cortex A9
May 03 21:09:49 <PuffTheMagic> omap36xx
May 03 21:10:14 <PuffTheMagic> or omap4?
May 03 21:10:39 <HattCzech_work> has anyone submitted an app to the palm web catalog with "undocumented" api calls?
May 03 21:11:35 <HattCzech_work> i just read something on the precentral forums from jaycanuck about palm denying them?
May 03 21:11:44 <ka6sox> omap4 wouldn't be bad.
May 03 21:12:28 <ka6sox> OMAP4440 would be nice
May 03 21:13:34 <ka6sox> 1+ghz Cortex A9 with dual cores.
May 03 21:15:10 <jacques> OMAP4 drool
May 03 21:15:42 <ka6sox> jacques, ya
May 03 21:18:00 <ka6sox> it could do 1080p30 natively
May 03 21:19:05 <jacques> heck it could probably do 1080p simultaneous with the builtin display
May 03 21:19:31 <ka6sox> Full HD 1080p30 multi-standard video encode/decode
May 03 21:19:34 <jacques> the OMAP4 developer device TI was exhibiting at CELF ELC was driving two displays
May 03 21:19:45 <jacques> and I think they said it could do three at once
May 03 21:19:54 <jacques> it has a space for a pico-projector
May 03 21:20:33 <ka6sox> it would be better hardware than an iPad for sure.
May 03 21:20:36 <oilsworkn> im interrested to see what webos looks like on 1024x600
May 03 21:20:38 <jacques> also OMAP4 should have much faster NEON performance and SGX
May 03 21:20:53 <jacques> (plus the dual A9 cores)
May 03 21:21:08 <ka6sox> I heard they fixed the Pipeline problem with NEON in OMAP4.
May 03 21:21:17 * jacques heard that too
May 03 21:21:40 <ka6sox> c'mon HP....do it RIGHT.
May 03 21:22:20 <ka6sox> I guess this also clears up the question about why they bought Palm too...they wanted webOS.
May 03 21:22:27 <ka6sox> (and a good phone)
May 03 21:25:49 <zsoc_wirc> problem is. evo comes out in june. many pre customers are coming up on premier upgrade
May 03 21:25:55 <zsoc_wirc> and there is no new device
May 03 21:26:14 * oilsworkn will stick it out with the pre till new webos device
May 03 21:26:59 <jacques> what OS does evo run?
May 03 21:27:12 <oilsworkn> not webos
May 03 21:27:31 <oilsworkn> :)
May 03 21:28:00 <oilsworkn> i believe its android
May 03 21:28:32 <jacques> hmm.
May 03 21:28:49 <jacques> 2.1 on the n1 is almost usable
May 03 21:29:50 <jacques> but I amways root for the underdog
May 03 21:30:20 <oilsworkn> is palm still the underdog now that they're being bought by gigantic company?
May 03 21:30:30 <jacques> definitely
May 03 21:31:28 <jacques> once HP starts paying thousands of shills to post to forums and paying ^H^H^H^H^H^H revenue-sharing with carriers, then they will no longer be the underdog
May 03 21:38:50 <rwhitby> HattCzech_work: yes, Palm has automatic scanners for undocumented API calls, and they will reject any submission to any Palm channel containing such.
May 03 21:40:16 * halfhalo pictures the scanning process to be palm printing out the source code and physically scanning it into a machine that glows red evily
May 03 21:41:38 <HattCzech_work> well that's unfortunate, and somewhat irritating :/
May 03 21:44:17 <rwhitby> HattCzech_work: that's necessary to maintain the bright line of app catalog security and liability
May 03 21:44:33 <beelzabub> hey guys- what's going on
May 03 21:44:54 <HattCzech_work> makes sense, but also makes my possible submissions pointless
May 03 21:45:05 <rwhitby> hey beelzabub
May 03 21:45:16 <beelzabub> what's up
May 03 21:45:26 <zsoc> beelzabub: yo
May 03 21:47:46 <rwhitby> beelzabub: just working how the best way to detect touchstone stuff in the kernel
May 03 21:48:01 <beelzabub> what do you mean?
May 03 21:48:29 <rwhitby> for the screenstate governor we've added to the kernel, we want to reliably detect placement of the device on the touchstone
May 03 21:49:16 <jacques> is there a standard way to run a specific app when phone is put on touchstone?
May 03 21:49:51 <HattCzech_work> jacques: i believe there are events that you can monitor for the touchstone
May 03 21:50:05 <HattCzech_work> i haven't played with them, but i think i saw them when playing around
May 03 21:50:26 <beelzabub> background apps can only stay alive for so long AFAIK
May 03 21:50:34 <jacques> a long time ago I thought I had read about or found a control panel for configuring behavior when on touchstone, but now I cannot find it
May 03 21:53:22 <beelzabub> is the detection logic even in the kernel?
May 03 21:53:43 <beelzabub> i think the events are simply forwarded to userspace & the logic lives within powerd
May 03 21:53:51 <beelzabub> but i'm guessing
May 03 22:26:13 <hmagoo> heh, I grew up playing soccer on a field at a 40 year old HP plant
May 03 22:26:56 <oilsworkn> tell us more!
May 03 22:28:24 <hmagoo> we drank the water :(
May 03 22:28:43 <oilsworkn> i hear you're never supposed to drink the water
May 03 22:28:57 <chrisa> At least if you just play soccer on their fields you don't have a chance to be laid off come july
May 03 22:29:47 <oilsworkn> cue sad horn soundclip
May 03 22:29:59 <ka6sox> lets hope that doesn't happen chrisa
May 03 22:30:12 <chrisa> I'm not actually concerned or thinking about it
May 03 22:30:14 <BeeRad> Whoa.
May 03 22:30:17 <chrisa> But rampant speculation fuels the internet
May 03 22:30:23 <oilsworkn> lol
May 03 22:30:31 <oilsworkn> like trees in a forest fire
May 03 22:30:35 <ka6sox> well...I'm happy to see HP pick up webos for the slate.
May 03 22:31:02 <chrisa> (no one has confirmed a webos slate)
May 03 22:31:25 <oilsworkn> they all but said it
May 03 22:31:45 <chrisa> "She all but said it" is not a good defense in court
May 03 22:31:55 <oilsworkn> including pictures of webos photoshopped on the slate
May 03 22:31:56 <oilsworkn> lol
May 03 22:32:11 <BeeRad> "beyond all reasonable doubt". It's coming.
May 03 22:32:14 <BeeRad> lol
May 03 22:32:27 <ka6sox> chrisa, okay I'll save it till the official announcement.
May 03 22:34:02 <BeeRad> Rod pointed me to the IRC, how often does he come around?
May 03 22:35:09 <ka6sox> BeeRad, fairly often.
May 03 22:36:08 <BeeRad> I know Govnah is in the test feed for a reason, but am I the only one thats seeing more bugginess in today release?
May 03 22:36:18 <BeeRad> todays*
May 03 22:36:24 <oilsworkn> that doesn't sound right
May 03 22:36:42 <oilsworkn> not much really changed
May 03 22:36:49 <ka6sox> hmmm.
May 03 22:36:52 <BeeRad> Maybe I hadn't seen it before.
May 03 22:36:58 <oilsworkn> what is happening?
May 03 22:37:01 <FuMan> oilsworkn, will time in freq eventually gets its own fullscreen stage?
May 03 22:37:06 <BeeRad> Ok here goes:
May 03 22:37:10 <oilsworkn> eventually
May 03 22:37:20 <FuMan> k, was just curious it was gonna get permahatecrimed
May 03 22:37:22 <BeeRad> So I have the screenstate working...
May 03 22:37:23 <oilsworkn> itl be a stacked-100% line graph
May 03 22:37:34 <FuMan> Also, i just noticed the toggle for Palm dark
May 03 22:37:42 <BeeRad> Dark is awesome btw.
May 03 22:37:44 <FuMan> good work on making the graphs sexy enough on the main scene to look good in both
May 03 22:38:07 <FuMan> also, for what its worth
May 03 22:38:10 <oilsworkn> the full-screen time_in_state graph will be something like this: http://infosthetics.com/archives/dailyradar_graph.jpg
May 03 22:38:15 <FuMan> i have no idea what app cat flicker is, and I've never seen it
May 03 22:38:16 <oilsworkn> but with appropriate data obv
May 03 22:38:51 <oilsworkn> a stacked-100% line graph
May 03 22:38:57 <FuMan> and I'm assuming
May 03 22:39:01 <FuMan> with that new 5 minutes of data thing
May 03 22:39:07 <FuMan> leaving govnah open isn't gonna rape muh luna no more?
May 03 22:39:13 <BeeRad> So in screenstate its 500/800. When the screen dims before shutting off, Govnah is showing 500mhz, but if I tap on the screen to bring it back up before it turns off compeletely, it stays locked at 500mhz with the screen on.
May 03 22:39:14 <oilsworkn> not as much as it did before
May 03 22:39:21 <BeeRad> I have to reset screenstate at that point.
May 03 22:39:28 <oilsworkn> BeeRad: thats not really a govnah problem
May 03 22:39:33 <sbromwich> oilsworkn: have you looked at the rrd methodology for storing data for handling data over longer periods of time?
May 03 22:39:38 <oilsworkn> it just sets the settings, not actually control them
May 03 22:39:44 <BeeRad> Ok.
May 03 22:39:49 <FuMan> BeeRad
May 03 22:39:50 <FuMan> also
May 03 22:39:54 <FuMan> if you cat time_in_state
May 03 22:40:02 <FuMan> you'll seen that screenstate is indeed working
May 03 22:40:09 <oilsworkn> problems with the screenstate governor should be directed to uNiXpSyChO :)
May 03 22:40:14 <FuMan> my govnah reports 500 every now and then in screenstate when it shouldn't
May 03 22:40:19 <oilsworkn> sbromwich somewhat?
May 03 22:40:28 <FuMan> but if you have govnah open, when you dim the screen
May 03 22:40:35 <FuMan> when it returns, it should start reporting 800 accurately
May 03 22:40:40 <oilsworkn> im still looking to the service to be dumping data to a file
May 03 22:40:42 <oilsworkn> not the app
May 03 22:40:57 <sbromwich> oilsworkn: ok, just wanted to check you were aware of it, it's a fairly elegant way to scale out for longer term without taking up a pile of space
May 03 22:41:15 <FuMan> sbromwich, anything new or scary to play with?
May 03 22:41:17 <BeeRad> I *know* its not just showing 500 and it *is* 500. Its sluggish as hell afterwards.
May 03 22:41:41 <uNiXpSyChO> BeeRad: is your screen brightness settings turned down low?
May 03 22:41:43 <FuMan> hrm
May 03 22:41:47 <FuMan> then yeah
May 03 22:41:47 <BeeRad> Sorry, Im not a dev and Im new to this stuff. Trying to learn.
May 03 22:41:51 <FuMan> its probably the screen brightness issue
May 03 22:41:56 <FuMan> i didn't think to mention that
May 03 22:42:00 <BeeRad> Yes, it is.
May 03 22:42:04 <BeeRad> 20% or so.
May 03 22:42:07 <sbromwich> FuMan: www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage.141-10.24_hansolo is the latest
May 03 22:42:08 <BeeRad> Is that it?
May 03 22:42:13 <FuMan> do you have any of the patches
May 03 22:42:18 <FuMan> installed, that lower the threshold?
May 03 22:42:26 <oilsworkn> hansolo? back to starwars from the startrek path i set you on?
May 03 22:42:34 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO insisted
May 03 22:42:38 <sbromwich> brb
May 03 22:42:39 <uNiXpSyChO> BeeRad: are you using brightness unlinked?
May 03 22:42:42 <FuMan> if its actually 20 percent, that should be alright
May 03 22:42:50 <BeeRad> No, I just just manually have it turned low.
May 03 22:42:51 <FuMan> ive noticed no issues, and im a bit below that
May 03 22:42:52 <BeeRad> Battery life.
May 03 22:42:54 <oilsworkn> lets just get this out of the way, startrek > starwars :)
May 03 22:43:05 <FuMan> false.
May 03 22:43:09 <oilsworkn> stab!
May 03 22:43:13 <oilsworkn> lol
May 03 22:43:16 <FuMan> xboxlivefriends.
May 03 22:43:22 <FuMan> You checked out Reach today?
May 03 22:43:38 <oilsworkn> its probably done downloading at my house right now
May 03 22:43:41 <FuMan> my douchebag facebook friends are rubbing it in my face, but I gotta hold strong and not install till after my first round of finals :/
May 03 22:43:43 <oilsworkn> but, im still at work for another hour or so
May 03 22:43:48 <ka6sox> I remember sneaking to watch star trek....
May 03 22:43:48 <ka6sox> :D
May 03 22:44:20 <FuMan> apparently, in air assassinations are about as fun as softcore porn
May 03 22:44:42 * oilsworkn is unsure how to interpret that analogy
May 03 22:44:56 <uNiXpSyChO> BeeRad: the next version of Uber should fix that
May 03 22:45:15 <BeeRad> Screen was at 20%, screenstate selected, I would let the screen go to dim, tap the screen, it would move to 500mhz, I would tap the screen to do something and it would not resume back to 800. It would stay at 500. Not just buy the Govnah readout, but it was sluggish as heck.
May 03 22:45:57 <FuMan> oilsworkn, softcore porn is pretty cool.
May 03 22:46:19 <uNiXpSyChO> BeeRad: yeah.  programmer assumed the dim statre would never get that low.  flame him!
May 03 22:46:22 <FuMan> yet, is still kinda family friendly O_o
May 03 22:46:34 <FuMan> uNiXpSyChO, i see what you did there.
May 03 22:46:38 <oilsworkn> what kind of family do you come from?
May 03 22:46:41 <BeeRad> Whoops, remove "tap the screen" after go dim. Lost my thought.
May 03 22:46:50 <FuMan> oilsworkn, a pretty cool one o_O
May 03 22:46:55 <oilsworkn> obviously
May 03 22:46:56 <uNiXpSyChO> FuMan: yeah i know...  i see my bug
May 03 22:47:20 <FuMan> uNiXpSyChO, delicious governer regardless
May 03 22:47:29 * uNiXpSyChO needs a drink so he can code better
May 03 22:47:31 <FuMan> i bet the battery savings vs performance will be unbelievable
May 03 22:47:38 <FuMan> if that 125 wakeup is no longer an issue
May 03 22:47:47 <ka6sox> BeeRad, see...this is the fastest bug fixing you can find.
May 03 22:47:52 <jacques> anyone know if MTU can be specified in /etc/network/interfaces ?
May 03 22:48:03 <uNiXpSyChO> FuMan: sbromwich is working on the wakeup problems
May 03 22:48:16 <BeeRad> Did I just report a bug?
May 03 22:48:19 <FuMan> then we are in good hands :>
May 03 22:48:19 <BeeRad> lol
May 03 22:48:45 <FuMan> sbromwich, was there an updated config that likes to party with han?
May 03 22:48:59 <uNiXpSyChO> BeeRad:  something like that ;-)
May 03 22:49:20 <jacques> oh, apparently it can :-) now I wonder if busybox / buildroot supports it ...
May 03 22:49:41 <sbromwich> FuMan: www.fop.ns.ca/pre/config.141-10.2_kahn (all that changed was code)
May 03 22:49:53 <BeeRad> I probably dont even belong in here. Sorry if I dumb the conversation down.
May 03 22:50:02 <FuMan> sbromwich, danke, ill report if i see anything odd
May 03 22:50:13 <FuMan> any major changes since kahn?
May 03 22:50:16 <ka6sox> jacques, MTU=
May 03 22:50:17 * uNiXpSyChO requests Steve's new kernel to be bobafett
May 03 22:50:45 <sbromwich> FuMan: as soon as I get my git incompetence sorted out by rwhitby the prcm power patches should get shoved into the uber kernel
May 03 22:50:52 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: if you insist...
May 03 22:51:10 <FuMan> also
May 03 22:51:17 <FuMan> i sod Rod mention it in a epic forum rant
May 03 22:51:21 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: next go I'm going to try disabling most of the power idling stuff to see if it saves battery life (paradoxing ftw)
May 03 22:51:22 * oilsworkn was about to suggest harrymudd!
May 03 22:51:31 <FuMan> but I'm a big +1 for having your kernels available in full, via preware install
May 03 22:51:34 <BeeRad> So with the 125 wake up fixed for 125/800 screenstate, am I wasting money by ordering the 2600mah battery? haha
May 03 22:51:35 <sbromwich> oh the troubles... ;-)
May 03 22:51:56 <sbromwich> BeeRad: nope, it'll just give you even longer battery life
May 03 22:52:01 * uNiXpSyChO suspects a pocket full of fire with no power idling ;-)
May 03 22:52:18 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: not if the cpu is clocked down to 125 while idle
May 03 22:52:35 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: if I'm right in my calculations (not always...) it should double battery life
May 03 22:52:54 <uNiXpSyChO> sbromwich: TI will frown at you
May 03 22:53:08 <ka6sox> TI is rolling over.
May 03 22:53:12 <BeeRad> lol
May 03 22:53:14 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: TI should release CPUs without so many errata then ;-)
May 03 22:53:16 <chrisa> Your calculations assume the apps processor is the only power draw
May 03 22:53:22 <uNiXpSyChO> lol
May 03 22:53:38 <sbromwich> chrisa: my calculations are based on the phone being switched off most of the time
May 03 22:53:41 <chrisa> Well, I should read backlog
May 03 22:53:59 <jacques> my dev phone is in aitplane mode, and it only seems to be losing about 5% battery per day
May 03 22:54:00 <sbromwich> *grin*
May 03 22:54:41 <BeeRad> 100% at 6am and 20% by 4:30 pm. :(
May 03 22:54:53 <FuMan> BeeRad, when I'm in class
May 03 22:55:02 <FuMan> I lose about 60 percent, across ~5 hours
May 03 22:55:08 <FuMan> roaming is a sonofawhore
May 03 22:55:17 * oilsworkn gets much better battery then you guys
May 03 22:55:17 <sbromwich> I managed to get mine to 56 hours (estimated by battery monitor after 10 hours off charge) but it was a little... flakey
May 03 22:55:19 <BeeRad> I feel ya.
May 03 22:55:36 <oilsworkn> off the touchstone at like 7
May 03 22:55:42 <FuMan> oilsworkn, if I'm out in decent coverage, I can easily go about 8-8
May 03 22:55:49 <oilsworkn> its 4 now, and im at 57%
May 03 22:55:59 <FuMan> but, i hit dead spots all day, so I just get my monoprice on
May 03 22:56:10 <BeeRad> I work in a factory. Big metal building. I turn data off and use our WiFi, but the phone signal is killing me. Can't turn it off for SMS though.
May 03 22:56:12 <FuMan> and have microUSBs stashed all over my common landing zones :>
May 03 22:56:17 <halfhalo-studyin> Last week I pulled off touchstone at 7:30 and was dead by 2
May 03 22:56:20 <sbromwich> running powerd with -l option shows the issue quite nicely
May 03 22:56:30 <jacques> I'm not sure roaming per se is bad - it's the constant checking - when I enable roam only, I get great battery life
May 03 22:56:33 * uNiXpSyChO loathes powerd
May 03 22:56:41 <FuMan> jacques, true
May 03 22:56:41 * ka6sox too
May 03 22:57:17 * FuMan doesnt know what it does, so we get along
May 03 22:57:18 <BeeRad> Does anybody here rock the 2600?
May 03 22:57:27 <halfhalo-studyin> nope
May 03 22:57:29 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: it's not powerd at fault per se, though...
May 03 22:57:30 <jacques> sigh, why is 155.2 so slow :-(
May 03 22:57:33 <FuMan> BeeRad, a friend at work does
May 03 22:57:35 <jacques> s/155/115/
May 03 22:57:36 <infobot> jacques meant: sigh, why is 115.2 so slow :-(
May 03 22:57:56 <PuffTheMagic> uNiXpSyChO: yeah the blackbox of powerd sucks
May 03 22:57:59 <FuMan> raves about it, and then I rave about my touchstone
May 03 22:58:08 <sbromwich> jacques: try 300 baud instead? ;-)
May 03 22:58:13 * halfhalo-studyin is having issues seeing his desktop screen right now.  Stupid tiny pixels
May 03 22:58:28 * oilsworkn would rock the 2600 if it was touchstone-compatible
May 03 22:58:28 <FuMan> halfhalo-studyin, you macbook right?
May 03 22:58:29 <BeeRad> Fuman: Does it really make the Pre look like a turd?
May 03 22:58:29 <jacques> in totally unrelated news, I just discovered I am in a Clear WiMAX coverage area
May 03 22:58:38 <FuMan> BeeRad, oh yeah, horrid
May 03 22:58:48 <FuMan> jacques, say sup to the EVO for me
May 03 22:58:48 <oilsworkn> jacques: we got clear here
May 03 22:58:49 <BeeRad> Oh man, youre killing me.
May 03 22:58:56 <BeeRad> Function over form, right?
May 03 22:58:59 <FuMan> BeeRad, the worst part is that its a really hard plastic
May 03 22:59:00 <oilsworkn> its not very good internets
May 03 22:59:07 <FuMan> and so hes been through two of the backs
May 03 22:59:09 <FuMan> they literally shatter
May 03 22:59:11 <halfhalo-studyin> I want 4G....
May 03 22:59:23 <oilsworkn> its probably ok for browsing the web
May 03 22:59:27 * uNiXpSyChO rwhitby is gonna yell at me for all this whitespace in my new patch
May 03 22:59:28 <oilsworkn> but not good for gaming
May 03 22:59:36 <halfhalo-studyin> and no, I'm not macbook
May 03 22:59:48 <FuMan> hrm, whats your non-desktop res?
May 03 22:59:49 <BeeRad> Well I would put the Seidio hard case on it as well. I have the standard one on mine now and actually like it.
May 03 23:00:07 <jacques> oilsworkn: Clear WiMAX isn't good? high latency ?
May 03 23:00:25 <jacques> I haven't researched it yet
May 03 23:00:48 <halfhalo-studyin> Laptop has an LED LG 1440x900 screen, While the mini has a 1680x1050 dedicated screen and shares a 2048x1152 screen with the desktop which has its own 1280x1024 screen
May 03 23:01:10 <jacques> 1680x1050 is a nice resolution
May 03 23:01:10 <BeeRad> I dont *want* the 2600 but I cant make it through a work day man. Batt life is horrid. 1350 didn't do squat for me.
May 03 23:01:13 <halfhalo-studyin> Trying to look at the 2048x1152 screen on the mini and its not happening
May 03 23:01:20 <oilsworkn> yeah, its real laggy for gaming
May 03 23:01:26 <jacques> oilsworkn: good to know
May 03 23:01:32 <oilsworkn> maybe its because he would never get above 3 bars
May 03 23:01:36 <oilsworkn> but it was no good
May 03 23:02:09 <sethron|work> zsoc: i have Precorder 0.5.8, Preware detects it as that, but orange tap displays it at 0.5.6 ??
May 03 23:02:35 <oilsworkn> what preware says the version and what hte appinfo says the version is are two different numbers
May 03 23:02:45 <zsoc> sethron|work: just a typo
May 03 23:02:58 <sethron|work> zsoc: very well tyvm
May 03 23:06:28 <BeeRad> Govnah icon not showing temp in the app launcher also. Reason?
May 03 23:07:22 <halfhalo-studyin> Its on strike?
May 03 23:07:32 <oilsworkn> is it closed?
May 03 23:07:37 <BeeRad> lol
May 03 23:07:48 <oilsworkn> 025 resets the icon to default on exit
May 03 23:08:02 <oilsworkn> since its no longer monitoring temp
May 03 23:08:46 <FuMan> oilsworkn, hidden secrets of "dashboard" option?
May 03 23:09:29 <oilsworkn> what hidden secrets?
May 03 23:09:37 <FuMan> whats it gonna do
May 03 23:09:45 <BeeRad> Yeah..what he asked.
May 03 23:09:47 <oilsworkn> it already does everything its going to do
May 03 23:10:03 <FuMan> then why is it blocked?
May 03 23:10:10 <BeeRad> Yeah what he asked...
May 03 23:10:17 * FuMan has a crew now
May 03 23:10:25 <sbromwich> insufficient unicorns
May 03 23:10:32 <FuMan> sbromwich, common in my life D;
May 03 23:10:35 * oilsworkn ops self to kick fumans crew from channel
May 03 23:10:39 <sbromwich> *nod*
May 03 23:10:55 <FuMan> :>
May 03 23:10:58 <BeeRad> *shuts up*
May 03 23:11:14 <oilsworkn> well, all the code is there, it just doesn't really do anything except update the icon
May 03 23:11:31 <oilsworkn> basically, you toggle that, and it pops up the updateicon/pollspeed for dash-mode
May 03 23:11:38 <oilsworkn> and when you toss the govnah card it spawns a dash
May 03 23:11:44 <oilsworkn> which keeps doin its thing
May 03 23:11:47 <oilsworkn> till you kill it
May 03 23:12:19 <halfhalo-studyin> with fire?
May 03 23:12:29 <oilsworkn> optional
May 03 23:12:38 <oilsworkn> you could simply flick to the side
May 03 23:13:03 <oilsworkn> but im thinking of putting a graph on the dash
May 03 23:13:04 <oilsworkn> if its possible
May 03 23:13:11 <halfhalo-studyin> Think it is
May 03 23:13:24 <halfhalo-studyin> ok, my plan to use screen zoom on the mini has failed miserably
May 03 23:13:35 <sbromwich> have a graph as the wallpaper?
May 03 23:13:59 <oilsworkn> no on the dashboard
May 03 23:14:35 <oilsworkn> to do wallpaper, we would need code to generate the new image
May 03 23:14:46 <sbromwich> ahhh
May 03 23:14:49 <oilsworkn> current canvas support means mojo can't do it
May 03 23:14:53 <oilsworkn> the service probably could
May 03 23:14:58 <oilsworkn> if you build in gd or something
May 03 23:15:09 <sbromwich> *nod*
May 03 23:15:24 <oilsworkn> i believe all of those weather-wallpaper apps download the image from the web
May 03 23:15:32 <oilsworkn> using php or something like to generate the image
May 03 23:15:48 <oilsworkn> again, i could be completely wrong though
May 03 23:16:19 <FuMan> lame
May 03 23:16:22 <FuMan> Weave isn't syncing muh tabs
May 03 23:17:57 * oilsworkn is going to send fuman screenshots of himself playing reach all night
May 03 23:18:09 <FuMan> heh, i wouldn't waste the effort
May 03 23:18:13 <FuMan> you'll be one of many
May 03 23:18:16 * halfhalo-studyin wishes he had time to play it
May 03 23:18:22 <FuMan> but when your entire semester is based on 1 test
May 03 23:18:30 <FuMan> i gotta buckle down
May 03 23:18:38 <FuMan> I'm gonna preorder SC2 and get into the beta the day of my last final
May 03 23:18:47 <FuMan> and play reach till they kill it
May 03 23:18:54 <FuMan> but, lawschool is lame, and has to come first for a bit
May 03 23:20:41 <oilsworkn> you gonna be a lawyer?
May 03 23:20:59 <oilsworkn> lol
May 03 23:21:15 <FuMan> That part is optional
May 03 23:21:22 <FuMan> but, I'
May 03 23:21:33 <FuMan> I'll probably end up with a JD, hopefully O_o
May 03 23:21:41 <BeeRad> Ok, did I just dream this up or did I see that the graph in Gov is suppose to be multitouch for zooming? I thought I read that but cant remember and it doesnt work.
May 03 23:21:58 <FuMan> BeeRad, removed when graphs got their own big scene
May 03 23:22:11 <BeeRad> Ok, thanks.
May 03 23:22:18 <oilsworkn> yeah, thats early build
May 03 23:22:19 <oilsworkn> it was cool
May 03 23:22:29 <oilsworkn> but went with smaller graphs on the main scene cause they're more sexy
May 03 23:23:03 <FuMan> oilsworkn, im also assuming roadmap includes labels on zoom graphs
May 03 23:23:19 <BeeRad> Oh def not complaining. Just curious.
May 03 23:23:24 <oilsworkn> yeah, it does
May 03 23:23:45 <oilsworkn> http://www.webos-internals.org/images/archive/b/ba/20100425114023!Govnah_ss1.png
May 03 23:23:47 <oilsworkn> is when it had scaling
May 03 23:24:06 <halfhalo> yay, growl working again
May 03 23:24:25 <FuMan> oilsworkn, also, that Caj banner tagline is a little more harsh now than before :>
May 03 23:24:32 <BeeRad> So whens the eta on this stuff getting out of the test feeds and into the limelight?
May 03 23:24:51 <oilsworkn> it was deleted in 025
May 03 23:24:57 <oilsworkn> (for the record, i didn't add it)
May 03 23:25:29 <BeeRad> add?
May 03 23:25:34 <FuMan> meh, I'm not concerned in anyway, just seems a bit taboo with all the rage surrounding kernel shadiness these days
May 03 23:25:54 * oilsworkn would have added it if he thought it was funny
May 03 23:26:06 <FuMan> I'm just waiting for my shoutout
May 03 23:26:13 <oilsworkn> thats really the only reason for random subtitles
May 03 23:26:22 <oilsworkn> just so i can insert funny things that only appear every so often
May 03 23:26:24 <FuMan> or perhaps, "this is why Xbox Live Friends hasn't been upgraded - fair trade"
May 03 23:26:42 <oilsworkn> haha
May 03 23:26:51 <oilsworkn> things keep getting in the way of xblfriends
May 03 23:26:52 <FuMan> id be lying if I said I didn't look at the tagline everytime before i do something
May 03 23:27:02 <oilsworkn> haha
May 03 23:27:10 <FuMan> well, looking at the whole forest, I think I'm happier with govnah than that
May 03 23:27:24 <oilsworkn> its not like the old version doesn't work anymore
May 03 23:27:29 <FuMan> indeed
May 03 23:27:35 <oilsworkn> its just not as sexy as the new version i get to play with on my pre :)
May 03 23:27:44 <FuMan> :>
May 03 23:27:47 <oilsworkn> though im still not happy with the side-scrolling
May 03 23:27:54 <FuMan> well, im gonna turn the monitors off, so i actually do something
May 03 23:27:57 <FuMan> you kids stay fly.
May 03 23:28:07 <oilsworkn> haha
May 03 23:28:12 <BeeRad> later Fu
May 03 23:28:13 <FuMan> enjoy the Jetpack
May 03 23:28:25 <FuMan> *or Armorlock, which I think will own face.
May 03 23:28:49 <oilsworkn> eh
May 03 23:28:58 <oilsworkn> ill try them all :)
May 03 23:38:25 <BeeRad> Ok so what I'm seeing is when the screen is at 20% and the screen dims first, Govnah sees a drop to 500mhz. When I touch the dim screen (before off) it stays at 500mhz when I use the phone. With the screen at 50% the issues arent there and Govnah monitors the correct behavior. So dimming the screen isnt the best idea to save battery. Counter intuitive?
May 03 23:39:46 <uNiXpSyChO> BeeRad: i mentioned a fix in next Uber release
May 03 23:40:20 <BeeRad> Oh I know. Again, not complaining. Sorry if it came across that way.
May 03 23:58:45 <PreGame> what git client should i use for mac?
May 04 00:00:16 <rwhitby> BeeRad: hi
May 04 00:00:19 <joshua> be hardcore and use the cli one
May 04 00:01:23 <zsoc> how is a cli git client 'hard core'?
May 04 00:01:33 <zsoc> I would say a gui one is more hardcore. They mess everything up.
May 04 00:01:36 <halfhalo> because its not gui cuddly soft
May 04 00:01:54 <zsoc> halfhalo: you're cuddly soft.
May 04 00:01:59 <halfhalo> I know!
May 04 00:02:08 <halfhalo> All the chicks say the same thing
May 04 00:04:17 <jhojho_> gitx?
May 04 00:04:25 <jhojho_> that's for PreGame
May 04 00:10:57 <mischko> Should Pre Plus be left in Dev Mode to install patches, etc. with Preware or no?
May 04 00:11:32 <ka6sox> PreGame, I just use git-core from macports.
May 04 00:11:52 <PreGame> yea i think i will try gitx
May 04 00:11:57 <BeeRad> oh hey Rod...sorry.
May 04 00:12:51 <ka6sox> okay
May 04 00:14:15 <BeeRad> Rod: how are we doing this fine day?
May 04 00:22:09 <mischko> Help. I turned off Dev Mode on my Pre Plus and the icon has stopped spinning.Appears to be locked up.
May 04 00:22:35 <chrisa> How long has it been in that state?
May 04 00:22:53 <mischko> quite a while.  I rebooted my wife's pre plus about the same time and hers is long done.
May 04 00:23:13 <mischko> 1.4.1.1 os. I've been running in dev mode quite a while. Decided to turn it off.
May 04 00:23:58 <PreGame> just reboot
May 04 00:24:00 <chrisa> It should be safe to reboot it if something happened
May 04 00:24:04 <PreGame> orage + sym + r
May 04 00:24:18 <chrisa> I just pull the battery, but we're a lot less patient in-house
May 04 00:24:29 <PreGame> OMG DONT DO THAT YOU JUST BROKE IT!!!!
May 04 00:24:38 <PreGame> :P
May 04 00:24:43 <halfhalo> it takes longer to pull the battery for me than the other methods
May 04 00:24:48 <mischko> orange sym r didn't do anything.
May 04 00:24:49 <halfhalo> damn cover is a pain to get off
May 04 00:25:02 <chrisa> I guess I just have practice
May 04 00:25:13 <BeeRad> Me too. Comes off pretty easy.
May 04 00:25:32 <PreGame> i just throw mine against the wall and it reboots for me
May 04 00:25:38 <PreGame> battery comes out and everything
May 04 00:25:51 <mischko> PreGame, very expeditios.
May 04 00:25:51 <BeeRad> lol
May 04 00:25:53 <chrisa> Enjoy user removable batteries while you can. As the market gets thinner (look at ipad, new iphone) it's just not going to be possible anymore
May 04 00:26:19 <PreGame> actually you can remove the iphone battery and such
May 04 00:26:21 <BeeRad> chrisa: When batteries are awesome and get good battery life, it won't matter will it?
May 04 00:26:25 <ka6sox> chrisa, I'm seeing the trend
May 04 00:26:25 <PreGame> it just takes having to pry off the cover
May 04 00:26:30 <chrisa> PreGame: no, that's "servicable"
May 04 00:26:34 <chrisa> Not "user removable"
May 04 00:26:36 <PreGame> they actually sell extended batteries for the iphone
May 04 00:26:49 <PreGame> i've seen people do it in my office
May 04 00:27:02 <PreGame> just requires a tiny flat head screw driver
May 04 00:27:12 <chrisa> and that's the existing iphone
May 04 00:27:14 <chrisa> Not the new one
May 04 00:28:06 <mischko> So I finally got back off and pulled and replaced battery. Now screen is dark.
May 04 00:28:09 <PreGame> we will have to see what hp comes out with then
May 04 00:28:15 <PreGame> power it on
May 04 00:28:20 <mischko> ahh. hold down power and it moves along.
May 04 00:28:21 <mischko> we'll see.
May 04 00:28:24 <PreGame> or put the batter in?
May 04 00:28:36 <PreGame> yes batter
May 04 00:28:40 <PreGame> we are making a pre cake
May 04 00:29:04 <halfhalo> I want some!
May 04 00:29:21 <mischko> So the original question was, do I need to leave it in Dev Mode?
May 04 00:29:27 <PreGame> no
May 04 00:29:32 <PreGame> but it doesn't hurt it if you do
May 04 00:29:37 <PreGame> i leave mine in dev
May 04 00:29:46 <mischko> what's the upside of leaving it in dev?
May 04 00:29:49 <BeeRad> I do too.
May 04 00:30:17 <PreGame> you don't have to reboot if you want to connect it to the pc?
May 04 00:30:30 <PreGame> and there is no downside
May 04 00:30:45 <mischko> I never connect to the PC. Just SSH into it, so far.
May 04 00:30:49 <PreGame> the only security risk is if someone takes your phone and if they do that they can just enable dev mode anyways
May 04 00:30:58 <PreGame> i don't like ssh
May 04 00:31:01 <PreGame> i just connect to the pc
May 04 00:31:07 <PreGame> much more secure
May 04 00:31:19 <mischko> Ok.
May 04 00:31:24 <PreGame> requires physical access to the phone
May 04 00:32:52 <PreGame> this doesn't make sense
May 04 00:33:03 <PreGame> i have to have a git repo on my local pc before i can use gitx?
May 04 00:34:11 <chrisa> To use git all you need to do is clone a remote repo
May 04 00:34:14 <chrisa> Then go to town
May 04 00:34:31 <PreGame> i know but gitx wants a .git folder on my mac before it goes to town
May 04 00:34:54 <chrisa> Probably just for config purposes? You could just do a git init to create an empty one perhaps
May 04 00:35:56 <ka6sox> most of them automagically make that folder for you.
May 04 00:36:22 <PreGame> yea but i don't have any local repo's, i want to use gitx to do the clone
May 04 00:37:15 <PreGame> klined
May 04 00:37:17 <PreGame> rofl
May 04 00:37:21 <chrisa> I cannot comment on bad tools
May 04 00:37:27 <chrisa> I just use git and tig
May 04 00:39:24 <caj> lets see if i can figure this out via command line
May 04 00:39:29 * bpadalino sighs
May 04 00:39:59 <halfhalo> heh
May 04 00:40:03 <rwhitby> BeeRad: doing well, how about yourself?
May 04 00:40:11 <BeeRad> Pretty good.
May 04 00:40:49 <sbromwich> rwhitby: did you get a chance to look at my email with my latest set of git problems? :-)
May 04 00:40:52 <caj> actually better change my nick, he might have a ghost account and will sue me for identity theft
May 04 00:41:00 <halfhalo> haha
May 04 00:41:24 <rwhitby> sbromwich: not yet.  let me check the key now.
May 04 00:41:34 <sbromwich> okies, ta :-)
May 04 00:42:22 <rwhitby> So, who is alpha testing the new Preware Classic and Preware Alpha versions in the testing feed?
May 04 00:42:38 <sbromwich> I will be as soon as I can get parted compiled
May 04 00:42:55 <BeeRad> Rod: May I as what the difference is? I always just see one Preware.
May 04 00:43:01 <rwhitby> sbromwich: that key is definitely in.  what clone URL are you using?
May 04 00:43:21 <sbromwich> urm
May 04 00:43:26 <lingfish> hai
May 04 00:43:26 <rwhitby> BeeRad: Preware Alpha uses a C service backend.  The front-end is identical.
May 04 00:43:28 <sbromwich> *cough*
May 04 00:43:35 <lingfish> Rod, et al: excellent work with Uber.
May 04 00:43:51 <BeeRad> rwhitby: over my head. haha
May 04 00:43:54 <rwhitby> lingfish: thx - uNiXpSyChO is the guy who creates the cool stuff, I just package it well :)
May 04 00:43:55 <sbromwich> do I need to re-clone or something?
May 04 00:43:59 <lingfish> I like the screenstate... pity about the power button push...
May 04 00:44:05 <en0x> rwhitby: i'm only using preware alpha
May 04 00:44:14 <sbromwich> I have no idea, I might be able to find it if I went digging back over irc logs
May 04 00:44:30 <BeeRad> I stay current on whats offered though.
May 04 00:44:32 <rwhitby> sbromwich: git@git.webos-internals.org:foo/bar.git
May 04 00:44:35 <lingfish> rwhitby: any workarounds for that thus far?  Meaning... I'm seeing the CPU not drop upon power button too...
May 04 00:44:46 <rwhitby> lingfish: uNiXpSyChO is working on it
May 04 00:44:53 <lingfish> k
May 04 00:45:12 <sbromwich> git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:kernels/patches.git
May 04 00:45:19 <sbromwich> is all I could find in my .bash_history
May 04 00:45:23 <rwhitby> sbromwich: that should work
May 04 00:45:42 <sbromwich> ok... I'll try it afresh in a new directory
May 04 00:46:27 <sbromwich> ah-hah
May 04 00:46:37 <sbromwich> now, I think, there may be cooking with petroleum :-)
May 04 00:46:46 <sbromwich> ta :-)
May 04 00:49:11 <BeeRad> rwhitby: uNiXpSyChO is working on the issue I saw as well.
May 04 00:49:25 <sbromwich> ok... now to find out how good the docco I wrote on the wiki is :-)
May 04 00:53:20 <sbromwich> rwhitby: would you mind double checking the git repo for me?
May 04 00:56:14 <rwhitby> sbromwich: looks good
May 04 00:56:41 <sbromwich> excellent, thanks :-)
May 04 00:57:36 <VincentLaw> I wonder what the limits of the Pre's CPU actually is as far as mhz. I know we're stopped at 800mhz due to lack of higher mhz profiles to use, but just theoretical of the chip's capability is interesting
May 04 00:58:12 <rwhitby> sbromwich: once we release this current alpha testing version of Preware ( I want to do that today if possible - just need three people here to report that it's working for installing kernels from the new webos-kernels feed ) then we can release the current Uber-Kernel to the public feeds, and put the prcm patch in the testing feed.
May 04 00:58:15 <scoutcamper> hello all
May 04 00:58:55 <rwhitby> sbromwich: so if you believe it's ready for that, then slap a git tag v1.4.1-15 on it
May 04 00:59:36 <VincentLaw> rwhitby: you mean preware alpha .68?
May 04 00:59:43 <rwhitby> VincentLaw: yep
May 04 00:59:52 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: did I stuff up regarding http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=kernels/patches.git;a=blob;f=overclocking/defconfig-safe.patch;h=e53288840d6d6aa72e5b22b643d8061778d36ec9;hb=8f2225fc7fc64f1cb6ed73abde2376487983f628 ?
May 04 00:59:57 <VincentLaw> shall I test removal/installation of the kernel for ya then? :P
May 04 01:00:21 <uNiXpSyChO> rwhitby: stuff up?
May 04 01:00:26 <scoutcamper> rwhitby x-server-has any significant progress been made?
May 04 01:00:31 <rwhitby> VincentLaw: that would be awesome.  If you can use WOSQI to install the -9 version, and then upgrade to -13 via webos-kernels feed in Preware, that would be top notch
May 04 01:00:47 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: did I have the wrong default OPP in the safe config?
May 04 01:00:55 <sbromwich> rwhitby: I just noticed for some reason not all my changes made it into the diff... let me redo
May 04 01:01:20 <VincentLaw> rwhitby: have a quick link to -9?
May 04 01:01:21 <uNiXpSyChO> rwhitby: maybe I did that long ago?  i just noticed it was OPP4 instead of OPP3.
May 04 01:01:21 <VincentLaw> and hmm
May 04 01:01:26 <VincentLaw> uberkernel isn't showing as installed
May 04 01:01:27 <VincentLaw> yet it is
May 04 01:01:41 <rwhitby> VincentLaw: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre_1.4.1-9_arm.ipk
May 04 01:02:22 <scoutcamper> anyone have any info on progress on x-server?
May 04 01:02:25 <rwhitby> VincentLaw: get back to stock kernel, then palm-install or wosqi that, then use Preware Alpha 0.9.68 to upgrade the kernel.
May 04 01:02:52 <VincentLaw> yeah installing the palm kernel right onw
May 04 01:03:08 <rwhitby> VincentLaw: the Upgrade button should now work correctly
May 04 01:03:24 <VincentLaw> gotcha
May 04 01:03:32 <VincentLaw> we'll know after a couple reboots :P
May 04 01:06:20 <rwhitby> oil: any way we can add a changelog screen to the kernel package ?
May 04 01:08:25 <VincentLaw> rwhitby: installing -9 right now
May 04 01:09:13 <VincentLaw> hmph
May 04 01:09:25 <VincentLaw> webosqi didn't prompt for a phone reboot, save to reboot myself?
May 04 01:09:54 <VincentLaw> nm it finally rebooted itself
May 04 01:10:04 <rwhitby> VincentLaw: hmm - I thought the latest WOSQI supported the DeviceRestart flags
May 04 01:10:14 <sbromwich> rwhitby: sorry, I just appear to have too many characters on my screen. Do I just do git tag v1.4.1-15 ; git push to get it all tagged?
May 04 01:10:43 <rwhitby> sbromwich: git tag -a -m "Comprehensive changelog message" v1.4.1-15 ; git push ; git push --tags
May 04 01:11:01 <VincentLaw> rwhitby: well if it's supposed to ask like preware does, it didn't. it just rebooted on its own
May 04 01:11:13 <BeeRad> rwhitby: I clearly don't belong in here right now. haha You guys are all awesome. Keep it up. Thanks for the hard work.
May 04 01:11:14 <rwhitby> VincentLaw: oh, WOSQI reboots the device without asking?
May 04 01:11:21 <VincentLaw> yes
May 04 01:11:25 <sbromwich> the one I put in there wasn't comprehensive enough?
May 04 01:11:27 <rwhitby> BeeRad: you're welcome to hang out man
May 04 01:11:37 <BeeRad> rwhitby
May 04 01:11:38 <sbromwich> I think I've already done all that, but possibly in the wrong order
May 04 01:11:54 <BeeRad> rwhitby: This is all gibberish to me. I'm not a dev.
May 04 01:12:12 <sbromwich> BeeRad: what makes you think it's not gibberish to me? ;-)
May 04 01:12:18 <rwhitby> sbromwich: nope, that's all good.  if you did multiple commits, you would summarise in the tag.  if just one commit, then duplicate the message in the tag
May 04 01:12:26 <VincentLaw> what makes you think we're not talking gibberish? :P
May 04 01:12:27 <oil> rwhitby: as an app for the package?
May 04 01:12:51 <sbromwich> just the one commit for 3 files with a message covering what the patches are doing
May 04 01:12:52 <rwhitby> oil: yeah, so when people click on the kernel icon they get our standard changelog screen
May 04 01:12:58 <BeeRad> haha.....well, you guys understand eachothers gibberish apparently.
May 04 01:13:03 <oil> just copy/paste
May 04 01:13:07 <rwhitby> sbromwich: yep, so use the same message for creating the tag
May 04 01:13:52 <VincentLaw> rwhitby: now running -9, preparing to update on preware alpha now
May 04 01:13:54 <rwhitby> oil: how much changelog text do you think we could store in an appinfo file?
May 04 01:14:03 <oil> idk
May 04 01:14:05 <rwhitby> oil: and then get a generic app to read and display?
May 04 01:14:14 <oil> we could do that
May 04 01:14:16 <halfhalo> why store in appinfo?
May 04 01:14:19 <rwhitby> (e.g. the headless app we have now)
May 04 01:14:24 <oil> replace the headlessapp repo with that?
May 04 01:14:32 <rwhitby> oil: yeah, I think so.
May 04 01:15:40 <VincentLaw> rwhitby: preware alpha says Kernel Updated, rebooting now!
May 04 01:16:54 <oil> rwhitby: and ill change it up a bit
May 04 01:16:58 <oil> since its only that
May 04 01:17:03 <sbromwich> rwhitby: could I prevail on you to check for me one more time? :-)
May 04 01:17:14 <oil> add the appicon, etc
May 04 01:17:20 <oil> and no version check
May 04 01:17:25 <oil> itl just always show the list
May 04 01:20:46 <VincentLaw> rwhitby
May 04 01:20:55 <VincentLaw> is there a reason the uberkernel generates a launcher icon?
May 04 01:27:08 <rwhitby> sbromwich: did you do the second commit before the second tag ?
May 04 01:27:26 <rwhitby> VincentLaw: so we can put a changelog screen in there
May 04 01:27:37 <sbromwich> git tag -a -m "Fine tuning power savings and stripping out excess debugging" v1.4.1-15 ; git push ; git push --tags
May 04 01:27:40 <sbromwich> is what I ran
May 04 01:28:08 <VincentLaw> rwhitby: ah. well in any case, it updated just fine
May 04 01:28:21 <rwhitby> sbromwich: did you make any code changes between the two tags?
May 04 01:28:57 <sbromwich> rwhitby: -14 and -15?
May 04 01:29:03 <rwhitby> yes
May 04 01:29:27 <rwhitby> ah, ok. -14 was tagging the changes from 11 days ago?
May 04 01:29:41 <rwhitby> then -15 tagging the changes 35 mins ago?
May 04 01:29:59 <sbromwich> oh, I see what you mean... yeah, this is an update for those patches from 11 days ago
May 04 01:30:20 <rwhitby> VincentLaw: thanks for the test
May 04 01:30:38 <rwhitby> en0x: is 0.9.68 working well for you?
May 04 01:30:40 <sbromwich> -15 should be the new patches
May 04 01:31:03 <rwhitby> Is there anyone using Preware Classic who can test that the new version of Package Manager Service installs the webos-kernels feed correctly?
May 04 01:31:44 <sbromwich> rwhitby: I just doctored my pre so I have a reasonably fresh install of preware classic
May 04 01:32:22 <rwhitby> sbromwich: excellent - please install the testing feed, then update Preware Classic, then install Uber-Kernel and Govnah from the new webos-kernels feed
May 04 01:32:30 <rwhitby> (Govnah is in public feed already)
May 04 01:32:37 <sbromwich> okie
May 04 01:33:06 <rwhitby> one of these days I get the courage to do the big Preware service switch ...
May 04 01:33:26 <halfhalo> I has clean pre to test on if needed
May 04 01:34:19 * uNiXpSyChO darn.  i missed a kernel build
May 04 01:36:23 <sbromwich> I'd forgotten how slow a stock pre is
May 04 01:36:25 <sbromwich> *sigh*
May 04 01:36:34 <halfhalo> heh
May 04 01:36:38 <ka6sox> rwhitby, the kernel feeds are working on 0.9.38
May 04 01:36:45 <JackieRipper> preware classic?
May 04 01:36:49 <ka6sox> yes,
May 04 01:36:52 <halfhalo> I can't really notice the difference between oc and stock
May 04 01:37:06 <JackieRipper> nickname for non-alpha?
May 04 01:37:12 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: yep
May 04 01:37:27 <sbromwich> rwhitby: 1.4.1-13 if that helps
May 04 01:37:41 <rwhitby> sbromwich: once you give the thumbs up, I'll release.
May 04 01:39:34 <BeeRad> Even though uNiXpSyChO already said it was going to be fixed for the next Uber release, can someone explain to me in normal people terms why the 20% dimmed screen was causing the scaling issue I saw today?
May 04 01:40:08 <sbromwich> Linux palm-webos-device 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 Sat May 1 09:49:18 UTC 2010 armv7l unknown
May 04 01:40:23 * sbromwich whips the gerbils along to get lunasysmgr started quicker
May 04 01:42:14 <sbromwich> ok, booted, installing govnah now
May 04 01:45:34 <sbromwich> rwhitby: running govnah, in screenstate, 125/800... anything else you want checked?
May 04 01:46:48 <JackieRipper> Does one need to add a new feed into preware?
May 04 01:47:08 <sbromwich> one might if one wants to add a feed one doesn't already have
May 04 01:47:52 <rwhitby> BeeRad: cause at the moment we use the screen dim state to detect whether it's on the touchstone or not.  we're investigating better ways to determine that.
May 04 01:48:33 <rwhitby> sbromwich: cat /proc/version should show the real kernel version for us
May 04 01:48:47 <sbromwich> Linux version 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 (v1.4.1-13@org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre) (gcc version 4.2.1 (CodeSourcery Sourcery G++ Lite 2007q3-51)) #1 Sat May 1 09:49:18 UTC 2010
May 04 01:48:49 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Thanks!
May 04 01:49:41 <rwhitby> sbromwich: that's what we're looking for.  ok, so that sounds like a thumbs up from you on installing Uber-Kernel and Govnah from a stock standard Preware Classic basis with no custom feeds required - right?
May 04 01:50:03 <JackieRipper> sbromwich: to test the new kernel, that is.  Is it in the armv7 test feed, or a new kernel feed.
May 04 01:50:13 <JackieRipper> and I think rwhitby just answered my question
May 04 01:50:36 <rwhitby> the answer to your question is "yes"
May 04 01:50:47 <rwhitby> (it is in both)
May 04 01:50:48 <JackieRipper> heh
May 04 01:51:12 <rwhitby> now, has someone tested the -9 to -13 kernel upgrade path using Preware Classic?
May 04 01:51:23 <JackieRipper> I will in a moment
May 04 01:51:42 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre_1.4.1-9_arm.ipk
May 04 01:51:50 <rwhitby> install that using WOSQI or palm-install
May 04 01:51:55 <sbromwich> rwhitby: everything seems to be running fine, yup
May 04 01:52:03 <rwhitby> then use the testing version of Preware Classic to upgrade it
May 04 01:52:43 <JackieRipper> oops, I already have 13... be a few minutes to reinstall the stock kernel.
May 04 01:52:54 <mischko> pReader is no longer a valid webos app?
May 04 01:52:58 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice_0.9.46_all.ipk and http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.preware_0.9.38_all.ipk
May 04 01:54:03 <sbromwich> rwhitby: is testing version 0.9.38?
May 04 01:54:16 <rwhitby> sbromwich: yes
May 04 01:54:30 <rwhitby> and testing version of preware alpha is 0.9.68
May 04 01:54:31 <sbromwich> rwhitby: I must have already put the testing feed on then :-(
May 04 01:54:46 <sbromwich> any way to tell which feed the kernel came from?
May 04 01:54:56 <rwhitby> sbromwich: check which ones are enabled in Manage Feeds
May 04 01:55:32 <sbromwich> webos-kernels and webos-testing are both in there
May 04 01:55:37 <sbromwich> and enabled
May 04 01:55:55 <rwhitby> the ipkgs should be identical in both, so no biggie
May 04 01:56:08 <sbromwich> ok
May 04 01:56:13 <sbromwich> sorry :-(
May 04 01:56:20 <rwhitby> and JackieRipper will test it soon too
May 04 01:56:24 <sbromwich> *grin*
May 04 01:56:32 <sbromwich> anything useful I can do at this point?
May 04 01:56:33 <JackieRipper> booting with the stock kernel now
May 04 01:56:36 <rwhitby> sbromwich: you tested all the other stuff :)
May 04 01:56:43 <sbromwich> heh
May 04 01:56:58 <rwhitby> sbromwich: you can test the upgrade path from Preware Classic to Preware Alpha ...
May 04 01:57:01 <sbromwich> fair enough... then I'm off to bed to get a few hours' sleep before the reboot tonight
May 04 01:57:10 <rwhitby> sbromwich: or get some sleep :)
May 04 01:57:18 <sbromwich> sleep is my preference ;-)
May 04 01:57:20 <sbromwich> laters :-)
May 04 01:57:26 <rwhitby> I'd recommend the latter too :)
May 04 01:57:38 <rwhitby> sbromwich: this should be all released by the time you wake.
May 04 01:57:55 <JackieRipper> I'll test the classic to alpha upgrade after the kernel stuff
May 04 01:58:00 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: thx
May 04 01:58:22 <rwhitby> that bit has been reasonably well tested in previous versions
May 04 01:58:32 <BeeRad> So am I understanding a new release for the feeds soon? :)
May 04 01:58:34 <JackieRipper> alrighty - 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430
May 04 01:58:42 <rwhitby> it's the webos-kernels feed and the kernel upgrade path which is new
May 04 01:58:46 <rwhitby> BeeRad: yep
May 04 01:59:03 <rwhitby> BeeRad: we're about to get over 200,000 new potential users for Uber/Govnah
May 04 01:59:24 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Out of the testing feed finally?
May 04 01:59:29 <rwhitby> BeeRad: yep
May 04 01:59:43 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Congrats! Thats awesome.
May 04 01:59:57 <rwhitby> Unless someone wants to talk me out of it :)
May 04 02:00:06 <BeeRad> *silence*
May 04 02:00:08 <JackieRipper> hmm
May 04 02:00:21 <JackieRipper> got an error installing http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre_1.4.1-9_arm.ipk
May 04 02:00:25 <Tibfib> rwhitby: is 200,000 the number of preware users?
May 04 02:00:34 <rwhitby> Tibfib: something around that we believe
May 04 02:00:46 <Tibfib> whooo, holy cow!
May 04 02:01:03 <rwhitby> Tibfib: that was the number of unique IPs that downloaded a certain Preware version after webOS 1.4.0 was released.
May 04 02:01:13 <BeeRad> rwhitby: ETA for the release?
May 04 02:01:13 <Tibfib> That's crazy! Congrats guys
May 04 02:01:24 <JackieRipper> Error: An error occurred while attempting to run /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernal-pre.postinst (err1)
May 04 02:01:41 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: yep, what is the error
May 04 02:01:52 <rwhitby> it should be earlier in the log
May 04 02:02:09 <JackieRipper> That is what wbosqi popped up
May 04 02:02:14 <rwhitby> most likely is your kernel was not pristine
May 04 02:02:28 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: oh, hang on.   */var* !!!!!
May 04 02:02:40 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: you are using a dangerously old version of WOSQI
May 04 02:02:45 <JackieRipper> oops
May 04 02:02:48 <JackieRipper> dammit
May 04 02:03:04 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: use *that* version of WOSQI to uninstall everything
May 04 02:03:16 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: then update WOSQI, and reinstall everything
May 04 02:03:25 <rwhitby> JackieRipper:  or Doctor, your choice.
May 04 02:03:32 <mischko> Anyone know why pReader is'nt in the AppCatalog now?
May 04 02:03:33 <JackieRipper> everything?
May 04 02:03:39 <JackieRipper> how about just the kernel
May 04 02:03:50 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: every homebrew thing you've installed with that version of WOSQI
May 04 02:04:01 <JackieRipper> just the kernel, then
May 04 02:04:02 <JackieRipper> whew
May 04 02:04:21 <rwhitby> ok.  Double check that there is nothing in /var/usr/palm/applications after you've uninstalled it
May 04 02:04:43 <Tibfib> heh, how old is it? 2.0?
May 04 02:04:43 <rwhitby> mischko: disable one of the precentral or app catalog feeds
May 04 02:04:58 <rwhitby> Tibfib: 3.01 or earlier is no good
May 04 02:05:29 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: /var/usr/palm/applications is empty
May 04 02:06:04 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: is /var/usr/lib/ipkg/status empty too?
May 04 02:06:06 <mischko> rwhitby, does it matter which?
May 04 02:06:20 <rwhitby> mischko: whichever version you don't want
May 04 02:06:34 <rwhitby> mischko: my guess is they've got the same appid in both
May 04 02:06:37 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: yes, just an empty file
May 04 02:06:45 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: you're good then
May 04 02:06:55 <JackieRipper> ok, doing the kernel thing again, with 3.12
May 04 02:07:02 <mischko> rwhitby, k. thanks.
May 04 02:07:55 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: I never use webosqi... I install preware from the cli
May 04 02:08:01 <JackieRipper> and that does everything I need
May 04 02:08:23 * halfhalo uses superpowers to install stuff
May 04 02:08:24 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: latest versions of WOSQI will warn you that an update is available
May 04 02:08:35 * rwhitby uses palm-install for most things these days
May 04 02:08:56 <rwhitby> since I went through all the trouble of making stuff work with it
May 04 02:09:50 <JackieRipper> I'm not even familiar with palm-install
May 04 02:10:31 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: you use a standard Palm-supported tool to install Preware now :)
May 04 02:10:37 <JackieRipper> ahhh
May 04 02:10:42 <rwhitby> I love the irony of that
May 04 02:10:45 <JackieRipper> heh
May 04 02:11:12 <jhojho_> preware install is a simple novaterm, wget and shell script away.
May 04 02:11:20 <jhojho_> just did it today.
May 04 02:11:22 <jhojho_> works nicely
May 04 02:11:26 <JackieRipper> ^^^ that's what I do ^^^
May 04 02:11:43 <JackieRipper> and I still do patches with quilt
May 04 02:11:48 <JackieRipper> I feel so old-school
May 04 02:11:59 <jhojho_> bbl
May 04 02:12:08 <rwhitby> jhojho_: yeah for someone who is not testing locally built versions, the bootstrap script is best
May 04 02:12:34 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: so as soon as you give the thumbs up, we're releasing.
May 04 02:16:23 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: looks like I have to install the recovery kernel... the script complained the kernel was not pristine
May 04 02:16:57 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: ok. note that you don't need to reboot, just install recovery, then WOSQI install -9, then preware update to -13
May 04 02:17:09 <JackieRipper> k
May 04 02:17:18 <rwhitby> that should save you 15 minutes :)
May 04 02:17:19 <mischko> Where's the link explaining how to update contacts from Palm Centro to Pre Plus?
May 04 02:17:32 <JackieRipper> the post script rebooted me anyway, even though it refused to replace the kernel
May 04 02:17:59 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: gah - that's why we prefer Preware :)
May 04 02:18:07 <JackieRipper> me too
May 04 02:18:36 <JackieRipper> look how long it's been since I used webosqi... and I think then it was only to install preware
May 04 02:20:32 <BeeRad> I enjoy getting updates when I wake up in the morning. Its like Christmas in May. :)
May 04 02:20:56 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: what version of preware and pkgmgt service did you say I should have?
May 04 02:21:24 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice_0.9.46_all.ipk and http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.preware_0.9.38_all.ipk
May 04 02:22:02 <JackieRipper> yup, those are the ones I have installed
May 04 02:22:22 <oil> rwhitby: http://i41.tinypic.com/25gz1v8.png is pushed
May 04 02:22:34 <oil> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/headlessapp.git;a=blob;f=appinfo.json;h=d37e07eec3b0375bb2027461ca7d8d65bdfc5085;hb=HEAD
May 04 02:23:03 <oil> ill change it to incorporate an icon etc
May 04 02:23:09 <oil> but whats there should be good
May 04 02:23:40 <rwhitby> oil: awesome
May 04 02:23:52 <oil> maybe we can generate even more
May 04 02:23:57 <oil> lol
May 04 02:24:42 <oil> allow the headless app to do that or the popup
May 04 02:24:47 <oil> based on a flag in the appinfo
May 04 02:24:47 <JackieRipper> installing -9
May 04 02:24:48 <oil> idk
May 04 02:24:51 <oil> it could do a lot
May 04 02:25:53 <JackieRipper> and rebooting... not errors this time...
May 04 02:25:57 <JackieRipper> not=no
May 04 02:30:58 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: installing -13 from the test feed
May 04 02:31:13 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: not from test feed
May 04 02:31:20 <JackieRipper> oh, ok
May 04 02:31:27 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: you want to be upgrading with the testing feed disabled
May 04 02:31:34 <JackieRipper> you caught me in time :)
May 04 02:31:38 <JackieRipper> JUST in time
May 04 02:31:50 <rwhitby> JackieRipper:  you should be getting it from the webos-kernels feed that was installed with the new version of preware
May 04 02:32:11 <JackieRipper> got it
May 04 02:32:16 <rwhitby> disable the testing feed, then update feeds
May 04 02:32:25 <JackieRipper> in progress
May 04 02:32:38 <rwhitby> make sure the -13 kernel is marked in category "Stable", not "Experimental"
May 04 02:34:45 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: Category: Stable
May 04 02:36:51 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: installed without error.  Rebooting now
May 04 02:39:20 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: Linux palm-webos-device 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 Mon May 3 11:30:20 UTC 2010 armv7l unknown
May 04 02:39:24 <JackieRipper> looks good
May 04 02:43:21 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: govnah correctly set the speed, according to /proc/cpuinfo
May 04 02:43:43 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: cat /proc/version please
May 04 02:44:01 <JackieRipper> Linux version 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 (v1.4.1-13@org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre) (gcc version 4.2.1 (CodeSourcery Sourcery G++ Lite 2007q3-51)) #1 Mon May 3 11:30:20 UTC 2010
May 04 02:44:11 <rwhitby> ok, we're good then.
May 04 02:44:29 <JackieRipper> alrighty... on to preware?
May 04 02:44:55 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Is this new Uber and Gov both?
May 04 02:45:14 <rwhitby> BeeRad: same as in testing feed, just released to public feed
May 04 02:45:45 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: for the preware upgrade, do you want me to use the testing feed?
May 04 02:46:16 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: yes, you willl need to
May 04 02:46:30 <JackieRipper> ok, all set
May 04 02:46:32 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Should I disable the testing feed or leave it open? Does it really matter?
May 04 02:47:11 <rwhitby> BeeRad: your call, but be aware that when you install or upgrade stuff from it, then you are alpha testing
May 04 02:47:50 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: preware alpha 0.9.68 ?
May 04 02:47:55 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: yep
May 04 02:48:22 <JackieRipper> am I installing, then closing preware, then opening the alpha version, and finally removing classic?
May 04 02:48:27 <BeeRad> rwhitby: isnt that what its been all this time anyway?
May 04 02:48:33 <JackieRipper> is that the plan?
May 04 02:49:10 <rwhitby> BeeRad: yep
May 04 02:49:20 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: yep
May 04 02:49:41 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Then I've been onboard for a little while now. ;P
May 04 02:50:30 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: alpha is installed and running... anything you want me to test?
May 04 02:50:41 <JackieRipper> I've noticed settings are not carried over
May 04 02:51:11 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: nope, it's a different appid.  When we do the real transition to Preware 1.0 they should be carried over.
May 04 02:53:05 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: classic successfully installed alpha, and alpha successfully uninstalled classic.  Is there more testing to be done, or is that what you're looking for?
May 04 02:56:43 <zsoc> rwhitby: congrats on preware success, when's the release party?
May 04 02:59:02 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: you're done.
May 04 02:59:08 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: thanks for your help
May 04 02:59:15 <JackieRipper> no probs
May 04 02:59:30 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: now you get to answer the questions for everyone else ;)
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