**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 04 03:00:01 2010
May 04 03:00:57 <JackieRipper> open preware -> tap "Package Updates" -> tap "Uber-Kernel...." -> tap "Upgrade"
May 04 03:01:40 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: is there documentation for packing up a patch in ipkg format?
May 04 03:05:58 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: nope, just a build infrastructure and working examples
May 04 03:22:36 <BeeRad> So you all on the flip side. Take care.
May 04 03:22:39 <BeeRad> See*
May 04 03:37:13 <FuMan> oil, roommate playing
May 04 03:37:28 <oil> gay
May 04 03:37:32 <FuMan> you have no idea
May 04 03:37:46 <FuMan> douchebag gets paid for 20 hours a week as a student assistant for the basketball team
May 04 03:37:54 <FuMan> slept on the couch from 3-9
May 04 03:37:57 <FuMan> and is playing halo now
May 04 03:37:59 <FuMan> dieinafire.
May 04 03:38:11 * scoutcamper 's pre is burning hot
May 04 03:38:40 * halfhalo1 is a student assistant
May 04 03:38:47 * halfhalo1 has a 360 in his office
May 04 03:39:03 * halfhalo1 has a couch and some projectors as well
May 04 03:40:06 * halfhalo1 also has a rare meeting tomorrow which means no games at work.  This is like, the third meeting all year.  It be crazy
May 04 03:41:40 * halfhalo1 wants one of the shiny new iMac's at work, instead of the pos mbp with a knife wound he has now
May 04 03:50:48 <halfhalo> Ok, time to try this again since it looks like I wasn't logged in before
May 04 03:52:52 * halfhalo is student assistant with a 360 and couch in his office and many projectors
May 04 04:07:04 <phil_bw> dtzWill, you here man?
May 04 04:08:49 <dtzWill> phil_bw: hey! :)
May 04 04:08:53 <dtzWill> phil_bw: long time no talk :)
May 04 04:09:05 <phil_bw> indeed my friend
May 04 04:09:21 <dtzWill> phil_bw: how goes it?
May 04 04:09:44 <phil_bw> so I got sticky keys working using xkbset, works nice except the orange key isn't sticky.  what do you think I need to do to fix that?
May 04 04:10:48 <dtzWill> phil_bw: well so we don't actually use orange as a modifier IIRC--SDL tarnslates it before we get it--so IIRC we see something like "orange down", "+ down" if you press orange and hold it, then press w
May 04 04:11:19 <dtzWill> phil_bw: so to handle orange sticky we'll want to define what orange+w separately is, which shouldn't be hard
May 04 04:11:33 <dtzWill> phil_bw: errr that's my latest understanding anyway I havne't looked in a few weeks :/
May 04 04:11:40 <phil_bw> orange+w?
May 04 04:12:11 <dtzWill> phil_bw: as an example use case
May 04 04:13:11 <dtzWill> phil_bw: so instead of X seeing "orange" and "w" being pressed
May 04 04:13:30 <phil_bw> ok, so shift as a sticky key lets you press shift (then let go) and press another letter which gets capped
May 04 04:13:34 <dtzWill> SDL 'helps' and translates the second keypress to '+' (which is the value of orange+w)
May 04 04:13:42 <phil_bw> like webos does alright
May 04 04:13:51 <phil_bw> already*
May 04 04:14:03 <dtzWill> phil_bw: oh I undestand what sticky means, and great job getting that working with xkb
May 04 04:14:12 <phil_bw> but pressing orange then e for example doesn't put "1"
May 04 04:14:21 <dtzWill> phil_bw: I'm describing why orange is different, and why it doesn't work
May 04 04:14:56 <phil_bw> I followd this article: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=23921
May 04 04:15:53 <dtzWill> phil_bw: ah, kk. we can just add the relevant things to our script, we call xkbcomp by hand anyway
May 04 04:15:57 <phil_bw> only I installed xkbset then issued the xkbset command and didint do anything with setxkbmap or xmodmap
May 04 04:16:19 <dtzWill> phil_bw: yeppers. xkbset stuff should be all you need
May 04 04:16:31 <dtzWill> phil_bw: good find, and I think we can make orange work too, but just have to define all those values
May 04 04:16:43 <phil_bw> which as I said was great for shift and control, not for orange
May 04 04:17:16 <phil_bw> I know very little of how the keys are mapped so I wasn't sure where to start
May 04 04:17:53 <dtzWill> phil_bw: yeah. i'm fairly sure the issue is that SDL (how X gets the key presses) doesn't give us the right keys, it tryies to autotranslate orange for us, and so we presently use that as our mapping
May 04 04:18:03 <dtzWill> so just defining what it means to press w+modifier should work
May 04 04:18:14 <dtzWill> anyway great work and hopefully we can wrap it all up and push it in a bit
May 04 04:18:35 <dtzWill> unfortunately for me semester is near the end, so I don't know that I'll be able to spend much time until the 15th or so :(
May 04 04:18:39 <phil_bw> was any progress made on a filesystem?
May 04 04:19:01 <phil_bw> that's alright, I'm unemployed for a week or two so I've got some time
May 04 04:19:22 <phil_bw> fvwm is working great with panning and all
May 04 04:20:15 <dtzWill> phil_bw: :( re:unemployed--you say it's bounded so you got a new gig lined up?
May 04 04:20:25 <dtzWill> phil_bw: that's great re:fvwm. another thing i wanna see
May 04 04:20:26 <rwhitby> phil_bw: still waiting on someone to convert fatoverlayfs from python to C :)
May 04 04:20:35 <destinal> ack the new virtualbox has the Oracle name on it, Sun no longer.  This makes me dislike it a bit even though it's the same tool sun made
May 04 04:20:36 <dtzWill> rwhitby: is that our present favorite route?
May 04 04:20:46 <dtzWill> destinal: haha I know what you mean
May 04 04:21:14 <rwhitby> dtzWill: it's the only viable one I see, unless we rip the code of it and make it part of the bas64 name in normal cryptofs ...
May 04 04:21:28 * rwhitby bbl
May 04 04:21:34 <dtzWill> rwhitby: yeah. that actually might be less terrible, lol :/
May 04 04:23:10 <phil_bw> I'm pretty sure I'm going to release a prebuilt img that's all setup and ready to go anyhow.  My thought is that it'd be nice to get more people on board with this now and just phase it out when a better fs solution is implemented.
May 04 04:24:36 <halfhalo> why is my phone not dead yet....
May 04 04:25:00 <phil_bw> halfhalo: you haven't introduced it to the toilet bowl yet
May 04 04:25:05 <halfhalo> hah
May 04 04:25:16 <halfhalo> Pulled off touchstone around 8 this morning
May 04 04:25:29 <halfhalo> charger for a total of like 30 minutes at two
May 04 04:25:37 <halfhalo> is at 10% now at 9:30
May 04 04:25:55 <halfhalo> with _stock_ batter, not my 1400mAh one
May 04 04:26:06 <phil_bw> crazy...
May 04 04:26:25 <phil_bw> anyhow, I'm off to bed
May 04 04:26:28 <halfhalo> kk
May 04 04:26:30 <phil_bw> er in it already
May 04 04:26:35 <phil_bw> off to sleep it seems
May 04 04:26:45 * phil_bw wanders off
May 04 04:27:10 <ka6sox> I don't see any files for that FAToverlayFS thing at all.
May 04 04:27:17 <ka6sox> just a description.
May 04 04:38:58 <destinal> Good WebOS security preso http://blip.tv/file/3564872   way to go tlharris and chris clark
May 04 04:45:46 <destinal> ~seen tlharris
May 04 04:45:51 <infobot> destinal: i haven't seen 'tlharris'
May 04 04:45:53 <jacques> is says I need something called "Flash"
May 04 04:45:55 <destinal> ~seen tlharris-
May 04 04:45:56 <infobot> destinal: i haven't seen 'tlharris-'
May 04 04:46:04 <destinal> alas
May 04 04:47:06 <jacques> this "Flash" thing needs to disappear from the world
May 04 04:47:06 <jacques> forever.
May 04 04:48:46 <ka6sox> jacques, come up with an opensource equivelent and eradicate the Flash Virus!
May 04 04:50:43 <jacques> I'm not sure there needs to be an equivalent - I think flash's time has come and gone
May 04 04:54:27 <halfhalo> damitall
May 04 04:54:33 <halfhalo> need to install codecs
May 04 04:57:25 <hmagoo> I, umm, experience intangible weirdness when I use scaling
May 04 04:57:40 <halfhalo> Its the damn gnomes
May 04 04:57:59 <hmagoo> I use XFCE ;)
May 04 04:58:13 <jacques> OMAP3 seems to not like dynamic scaling much - at least the GPU doesn't
May 04 04:58:39 <jacques> or maybe it's entirely a linux issue, I just dunno
May 04 04:59:49 <hmagoo> just seems to be sluggish only certain times, I know, 250MHZ is flagged as a problem for a lot of users, but I think we shouldn't avoid scaling down to that when idle, and find a workable way of doing it.
May 04 05:00:17 <hmagoo> I think it is probably swap or something that I'm seeing
May 04 05:01:04 <hmagoo> they screwed up with memory so bad you could probably file a class action suit, multi-tasking advertising and too many cards errors, have to reboot to play 3d games, etc.
May 04 05:01:15 <rwhitby> hmagoo: when the device is idle, it runs at 0MHz
May 04 05:01:46 <hmagoo> sorry for the misphrasing
May 04 05:02:23 <hmagoo> if they sold more they probably would be sued, heh
May 04 05:02:28 <rwhitby> and if you run at 250MHz, it takes the device twice as long to do what it needs to do before getting back to 0MHz
May 04 05:02:58 <rwhitby> BTW, complaints about palm or webOS are best done in #webos, not here.
May 04 05:03:08 <hmagoo> I'll try 500-720 for a while if you really think battery saving is negligible
May 04 05:03:13 <halfhalo> But there are sooooo many complaints!
May 04 05:03:14 <hmagoo> k
May 04 05:03:29 <rwhitby> hmagoo: I have no conclusive data on anything.
May 04 05:03:38 * halfhalo is waiting for his pre to die to swap out batteries to install preware
May 04 05:03:42 <hmagoo> don't be so hard on yourself
May 04 05:04:58 <jacques> if palm could reduce the LunaSysMgr/java memory usage, that would help a lot on the 256MiB RAM devices
May 04 05:05:33 <halfhalo> wtf serial mouse on mythbusters
May 04 05:08:04 <jacques> is there concensus on compcache effectiveness? does it help the "too many cards" issue?
May 04 06:00:34 <hape> morning
May 04 06:31:14 <metaview_pre> hi
May 04 06:31:36 <metaview_pre> anyone here?
May 04 06:32:27 <metaview_pre> yesterday I was asking how to package my calendar patch
May 04 06:32:58 <metaview_pre> which consists of probably 2 patch files and 2 small image files
May 04 06:33:49 <metaview_pre> 2 patch files, because the calendar.css part breaks the 1st patch file
May 04 06:34:01 <metaview_pre> anyone who could help metaview_pre ?
May 04 06:46:01 <ka6sox> metaview_pre, evening
May 04 06:46:59 <metaview_pre> morning :)
May 04 06:47:15 <metaview_pre> I fall asleep yesterday
May 04 06:47:23 <metaview_pre> sry
May 04 06:47:43 <ka6sox> no problem, that happnes
May 04 06:47:44 <hape> metaview_pre: Hi, not seen for a log time.
May 04 06:47:59 <metaview_pre> did you wrote about the patch makefile?
May 04 06:48:10 <metaview_pre> hi hape
May 04 06:48:23 <ka6sox> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Adding_patches_through_git
May 04 06:48:46 <ka6sox> you can put your icons by committing the binaries.
May 04 06:49:38 <metaview_pre> how to tell where they have to go?
May 04 06:50:08 <metaview_pre> do I write s shell script? but how is deinstalling done?
May 04 06:50:32 <ka6sox> jas...that may be for kernel type patches only....jas
May 04 06:51:01 <metaview_pre> ernel type?
May 04 06:51:06 <metaview_pre> +k
May 04 06:52:46 <hape> metaview_pre: Did yoiu triyed the lateste Navit version? It is running well.
May 04 06:53:45 <ka6sox> metaview_pre, the problem with the patches.webos-internals.org is you can't upload the icon file?
May 04 06:58:34 <ka6sox> whoops
May 04 07:06:47 <ka6sox> metaview_pre, ping?
May 04 07:07:09 <metaview_pre> spontaneous luna reset
May 04 07:07:15 <ka6sox> wonderful
May 04 07:07:34 <ka6sox> okay...your problem is the fact taht there isn't a place for the icon file?
May 04 07:07:37 <metaview_pre> had to run preware to install wirc:)
May 04 07:08:06 <metaview_pre> the 2 images need to be copied to images folder
May 04 07:08:13 <metaview_pre> images folder in calendar folder
May 04 07:08:44 <ka6sox> have you got webspace somewhere?
May 04 07:09:41 <metaview_pre> yes
May 04 07:09:41 <metaview_pre> should I download them?
May 04 07:10:18 <ka6sox> submit the patch to the patches and point to the files (in the note to admins)
May 04 07:11:17 <metaview_pre> ok
May 04 07:11:36 <ka6sox> tell them where they go in the note as well.
May 04 07:12:19 <metaview_pre> ok, thx will do it after work
May 04 07:12:50 <ka6sox> be sure to include your email so that the admins can ask questions.
May 04 07:14:47 <MetaView> ok, thx a lot for your help
May 04 07:15:18 <ka6sox> that seems like it would at least start the process of getting the patch into the system.
May 04 07:19:07 <MetaView> yes, if it is there once, I can just update the relevant parts
May 04 07:20:07 <ka6sox> thats what I see in the browse view for patches
May 04 07:20:18 <ka6sox> initial and then updated.
May 04 07:20:34 <ka6sox> some people have published the patches on the webos-internals wiki.
May 04 07:35:11 <MetaView> maybe I do this too, is always nice to see what they did
May 04 07:35:36 <MetaView> and in case of a calendar update it might be easier for others to update the patch
May 04 07:36:36 <ka6sox> I didn't find a wikipage that explained the patch submission process at all.  I just work on the backend stuff around here.
May 04 07:37:28 <MetaView> yes, this is missing, a page with the url for the submission etc.
May 04 07:38:04 <hape> MetaView: What kind of calendar patch did you make. a datebook3 patch ;-)
May 04 07:38:20 <MetaView> and a how-to-do-best would be cool as well, the patching is quite easy with a SSH server on the Pre but the packaging and testing makes me sick always...
May 04 07:38:43 <ka6sox> well. http://patches.webos-internals.org/?do=submit_new is the right URL to submit the patch to.
May 04 07:39:21 <ka6sox> and I don't see any way to upload the 2 files that go with your patch on that form.
May 04 07:39:27 <MetaView> http://yfrog.com/bch6qp
May 04 07:40:00 <MetaView> ka6sox: yes, thx, someone (maybe you?) remind me just yesterday about the url :)
May 04 07:40:15 <MetaView> hape: http://yfrog.com/bch6qp
May 04 07:40:26 <ka6sox> I don't know if I mentioned it or somebody else.
May 04 07:40:30 <MetaView> browse the stream and you see some screenshots
May 04 07:40:47 <ka6sox> those you need to upload to the patch submission screen.
May 04 07:42:16 <ka6sox> (form)
May 04 07:50:43 <hape> MetaView: WOW, i was joking, but you go into that direction. And the big advatage for me : you are German, so it will not be an english only patch...
May 04 08:27:30 <MetaView> hape: it's a source patch only, will work in all languages
May 04 08:29:21 <hape> Supi
May 04 08:31:59 <hape> MetaView: Didi you checked the latest Navit version. We have it working.
May 04 08:32:57 <hape> MetaView: Thanks in advance for that patch, I missed it a lot not to see the event text in the week view
May 04 08:48:50 <MetaView> hape: no haven't looked into NavIt since some weeks, will check it out later
May 04 08:54:00 <hape> You can get a prebuild pagae here: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/224609-navit-pre-7.html#post2375298
May 04 08:54:50 <MetaView> thx
May 04 08:56:17 <hape> It's working quit well. Only the seep of the graphics could need some improvements. But I'm not sure if this is SDL or the vector code of Navit.
May 04 08:56:28 <hape> s/seep/Speed/
May 04 08:56:28 <infobot> hape meant: It's working quit well. Only the Speed of the graphics could need some improvements. But I'm not sure if this is SDL or the vector code of Navit.
May 04 09:47:39 <playya__> hape, thx for building :)
May 04 09:47:42 <playya__> navit rocks
May 04 09:49:05 <hape> playya__: thanks.
May 04 09:49:26 <hape> playya__: Are you from Germany to or where you are using it
May 04 09:49:46 <playya__> i only used it on my freerunner yet
May 04 09:49:52 <playya__> but yes I'm from germany
May 04 09:51:10 <hape> Amazon has a Map that should work for 5Euro
May 04 09:51:12 <hape> http://www.amazon.de/Marco-Polo-Gro%C3%9Fer-Reiseplaner-DVD-ROM/dp/3829731426
May 04 09:51:23 <hape> I ordered it right now and will test it
May 04 09:51:34 <hape> If it is working I will post the info in the Forum
May 04 09:53:31 <playya__> most of the time I'm using the OSM maps
May 04 09:53:51 <playya__> buf afaik navit gets some money if you buy these maps
May 04 09:55:43 <noaXess> does anybdy has a good source of advanced webview examples?
May 04 10:37:17 <hape> playya__: I'm using the OSD maps right now.
May 04 10:38:09 <hape> I'm driving a lot and the OSD maps has a lot error.e.g. one-ways are wrong, you are not allowd to turn left or right wherer OSD thinks you can ...
May 04 10:39:22 <playya__> ok.
May 04 10:40:49 <playya__> i often use the Deutsche Bahn ;)
May 04 13:33:20 <mjkjr|wirc> noticed when updating preware to 0.9.38 this morning it actually removes package manager service and has to be reinstalled afterwards.
May 04 13:33:43 <nt4cats> mjkjr|wirc: rwhitby is going to want to know about your experience
May 04 13:34:14 <nt4cats> mjkjr|wric: I assume you're *NOT* talking about the Alpha, you updated Preware "Classic"
May 04 13:34:24 <nt4cats> ("Classic" is what us cool people call the non-Alpha version)
May 04 13:34:31 <mjkjr|wirc> that's why I'm here =)  is rwhitby sleeping already?
May 04 13:34:43 <nt4cats> ~seen rwhitby
May 04 13:34:47 <infobot> rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals #oe #meego #nslu2-linux. Has said a total of 278 messages. Is idling for 8h 31m 16s, last said: 'hmagoo: I have no conclusive data on anything.'.
May 04 13:35:11 <mjkjr|wirc> yeah "Classic" =)
May 04 13:35:12 <nt4cats> I've been online here for an hour or so and haven't seen anyone chatting
May 04 13:40:18 <mjkjr|wirc> cool, i'll stick around for a while.  otherwise i'll be back tonight after work.  I figured the average person might not realize/notice this issue.  pretty sure it's not just my device either, it's "pristine" lol
May 04 13:44:51 <nt4cats> mjkjr|wirc: You could also do a brief write-up of your situation and mail it to him ...  Tell him what software you had on your phone before, the steps you took, what you saw, what 'broke', and how you worked around the problem.
May 04 13:45:47 <nt4cats> mjkjr|wirc: If you do that make sure you mention that you did not have and do not have the Preware Alpha, that this is a "Classic"-only issue
May 04 13:51:44 <RagingMind> I upgraded fine
May 04 13:51:46 <MetaView> Then you reflash the BIOS, make sure you have all updates instaled and try to plug the computer into the wall...
May 04 13:51:55 <RagingMind> but I upgraded package manager service first then preware
May 04 13:52:47 <RagingMind> and now I have to run away to work
May 04 14:03:57 <mjkjr|wirc> yeah I updated preware first, I'm pretty sure it's just an issue with dependencies. (ticket 13?)
May 04 14:05:45 <nt4cats> bbiam
May 04 14:33:57 * mjkjr|wirc will bbl
May 04 14:41:46 <noaXess> what does that mean? var icon = this.controller.select('div.load-progress')[0];
May 04 14:41:56 <noaXess> where is div.load-progress? is that a global SDK css definition?
May 04 14:42:11 <noaXess> or a div with id load-progress?..
May 04 15:02:24 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: busy weekend?
May 04 15:02:59 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: yes.  My daughter had her first communion, so I had the usual flurry of getting the house/yard ready for guests, then the big family party on Sunday
May 04 15:03:10 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: ... so I guess you missed me?
May 04 15:03:46 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: well I wanted to make fun of you on friday
May 04 15:03:57 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: and then I was hiding from you on sat and sun
May 04 15:03:59 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: how about Saturday or Sunday?
May 04 15:04:02 <nt4cats> :)
May 04 15:04:07 * zsoc_wirc hides
May 04 15:04:33 <zsoc_wirc> I think besides the santana melt down it was a good series
May 04 15:04:57 <nt4cats> I think it was a good series, especially the Santana melt-down and subsequent pouting-in-the-dugout
May 04 15:05:04 <zsoc_wirc> hahaha
May 04 15:05:49 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: everything go well?
May 04 15:07:17 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: with the communion and the party?  Yes, very well.  No panic, no emergencies, we even got 3.5 hours of sleep Saturday night / Sunday morning ('burning the midnight oil' getting the house ready).
May 04 15:07:49 <zsoc_wirc> haha crazy
May 04 15:09:12 <sbromwich> old toy with new hotness: www.fop.ns.ca/pre/pt/pt.pl
May 04 15:09:48 <sbromwich> should extend battery life, don't know if there's any side effects other than it might take a couple of presses on the power button to wake up when on battery
May 04 15:18:55 <en0x> anyone was developing an app in ares?
May 04 15:22:02 <yokken> i wanted to write Dope Wars in Ares
May 04 15:22:16 <yokken> but i guess the guy who wrote it before submitted it to app catalog and it got denied because of the themes in it
May 04 15:22:28 <yokken> otherwise i'd be on that shit
May 04 15:22:31 <yokken> charge a dollar for it
May 04 15:23:47 <en0x> hmm
May 04 15:24:00 <en0x> the ares is a crap for me I can't edit code or anything..
May 04 15:24:05 <en0x> i just can design ui
May 04 15:24:47 <yokken> lol
May 04 15:24:53 <yokken> well get UI designed and then use somethign else
May 04 15:24:55 <nt4cats> Wow, Sesame street is different now compared to when I was a kid .... http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129170670632676800.jpg
May 04 15:25:29 <yokken> hahahaaha
May 04 15:28:28 <VincentLaw> yokken: call it Unobtanium Wars instead
May 04 15:28:33 <yokken> lol
May 04 15:28:38 <yokken> just do it with non-drugs
May 04 15:28:59 <yokken> do it with crude oil, coal, fission energy
May 04 15:29:06 <yokken> fission = crack, fusion = cocaine
May 04 15:29:10 <yokken> coal = ecstasy
May 04 15:29:10 <yokken> lol
May 04 15:29:14 <yokken> super ez
May 04 15:29:35 <loot_> whats weed? solar?
May 04 15:30:56 <loot_> ugh i work too much... i never have time to hack away at my pre anymore :(
May 04 15:31:21 <yokken> lol
May 04 15:31:24 <yokken> solar energy
May 04 15:31:27 <yokken> yeah that works
May 04 15:31:36 <yokken> we still need LSD, meth
May 04 15:31:39 <yokken> and PCP
May 04 15:31:46 <yokken> and shrooms!
May 04 15:31:54 <loot_> meth is wind power
May 04 15:32:00 <yokken> lol
May 04 15:32:00 <loot_> and all hallucinagens are geothermal
May 04 15:32:14 <yokken> you can't just GROUP them you know
May 04 15:32:17 <loot_> or
May 04 15:32:20 <loot_> PCP can be nuclear
May 04 15:32:36 <yokken> shrooms can be astrophysical
May 04 15:32:41 <yokken> lol
May 04 15:32:45 <VincentLaw> or hydroelectric
May 04 15:32:57 <yokken> NO
May 04 15:33:03 <yokken> NEUTRINOS WILL BE SHROOMS, AND THAT IS FINAL
May 04 15:33:08 <yokken> ASTROPHYSICAL ENERGY GO
May 04 15:33:10 <yokken> HGNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
May 04 15:33:15 <loot_> someone just watched 2012
May 04 15:33:47 <yokken> nope
May 04 15:33:50 <yokken> never saw it actually
May 04 15:34:05 <yokken> i don't feel liek watching a 2h30m movie that's just pure cgi and shitty story
May 04 15:35:32 <yokken> ugh 45mg addy + 450mg bupropion + 15mg buspirone
May 04 15:35:37 <yokken> my tummy not vry happy
May 04 15:35:51 <yokken> I WILL SURVIVE
May 04 15:36:09 <yokken> "energy wars" instead of "dope wars"
May 04 15:55:32 <zsoc_wirc> yokken: why are you on so many antipsychotics? :D
May 04 15:56:39 <yokken> antipsychotics?
May 04 15:56:44 <yokken> i don't see any haloperidol here
May 04 15:56:56 <yokken> adderall is dextroamphetamine
May 04 15:57:09 <yokken> bupropion is a norepinephrine-dopamine reuptake inhibitor
May 04 15:57:15 <yokken> buspirone is an anxiolytic
May 04 15:57:36 <yokken> none are in the class of antipsychotic, bupropion being the closest
May 04 16:00:34 * nt4cats admits this is the first time I've heard " norepinephrine-dopamine reuptake inhibitor" used in casual conversation
May 04 16:01:12 <halfhalo_T400> hah
May 04 16:01:13 <halfhalo_T400> !!!
May 04 16:01:26 <halfhalo_T400> Office 2010 RTM popped up in my technet
May 04 16:02:08 <sbromwich> "GET /pre/uImage.nodebug HTTP/1.1" 200 2406900 "-" "SAMSUNG-SGH-E250/1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 UP.Browser/6.2.3.3.c.1.101 (GUI) MMP/2.0 (compatible; Googlebot-Mobile/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)"
May 04 16:02:14 * sbromwich thinks someone is in for a surprise.
May 04 16:02:37 <yokken> NDRI bitches
May 04 16:02:40 <halfhalo_T400> Hah
May 04 16:03:02 <yokken> wellbutrin potentiates amphetamines
May 04 16:03:09 <yokken> due to the excess of norepinephrine in the brain
May 04 16:03:31 <yokken> so 450mg Wellbutrin SR + 45mg Adderall XR
May 04 16:03:36 <yokken> and 15mg Buspar to combat anxiety
May 04 16:03:39 <halfhalo_T400> Party time!
May 04 16:03:42 <yokken> due to l-amp
May 04 16:03:55 <nt4cats> halfhalo_T400: Does that come with a neurodynamic trans-cochlear pseudoendocrine stimulant?
May 04 16:04:15 * nt4cats is trying to sound all smart-like
May 04 16:04:16 <halfhalo_T400> Yes.  There is music
May 04 16:04:17 <yokken> lol
May 04 16:04:25 <yokken> nt4cats
May 04 16:04:34 <yokken> that might be the funniest thing i've read in a few weeks
May 04 16:05:00 <yokken> a changing inter-ear endocrine stimulant
May 04 16:05:17 <yokken> so...
May 04 16:05:34 <yokken> it's administered... via the ear canal...
May 04 16:05:50 <yokken> and effects change based on time release or patients' first-pass metabolism
May 04 16:05:56 <sbromwich> babelfish for a new generation
May 04 16:06:16 <yokken> and it stimulates the endocrine system, but using things to trick the endocrine system into speeding up
May 04 16:06:20 <yokken> so basically uh
May 04 16:06:21 <yokken> lol
May 04 16:06:40 * nt4cats thinks that if this whole "computers" thing doesn't work out, he may have a future in Pharmacology
May 04 16:06:43 <yokken> releases more hormones
May 04 16:06:51 <yokken> nt4cats: you <3 pharmacology too?
May 04 16:06:53 <halfhalo_T400> Or at least consulting nt4cats
May 04 16:07:14 <yokken> i love pharmacology but i don't have the motivation to do 8 years of school
May 04 16:07:24 <yokken> not to mention copious amounts of math to get through hig hlevel chemistry
May 04 16:07:24 <nt4cats> yokken: I just struggled to spell "Pharmacology", that's about my limit.
May 04 16:07:29 <yokken> :(
May 04 16:07:37 <yokken> it's so fun though
May 04 16:07:47 <yokken> first-pass metabolism, bioavailability, contraindications
May 04 16:07:54 <yokken> blood-brain barrier
May 04 16:07:59 <halfhalo_T400> Get an online degree!
May 04 16:08:00 <yokken> P450 cytochrome system
May 04 16:08:02 <nt4cats> I dabbled in recreational Pharmacology in College, but that was many years ago
May 04 16:08:06 <yokken> lol
May 04 16:08:09 <yokken> recreational pharmacology
May 04 16:08:13 <yokken> basically what i do
May 04 16:08:19 <yokken> read up extensively on drugs
May 04 16:08:24 <yokken> and then try them to confirm the information
May 04 16:08:29 <yokken> it's a blast
May 04 16:08:34 <yokken> too bad i have a drug problem :(
May 04 16:10:28 <yokken> but this channel is for talking about webos shit
May 04 16:10:31 <yokken> not drugs
May 04 16:10:33 <yokken> so i apologize
May 04 16:24:52 <CTLAdvance> I hate not knowing the download count now
May 04 16:25:05 <CTLAdvance> Anyone know if we can still get it from the app catalog
May 04 16:29:08 <CTLAdvance> wrong page
May 04 17:08:21 <MetaView> can't get the css patches to work, copy a fresh file fro mthe device to my local dir, create a diff, use WOQI to apply it but get "Hunk failed"
May 04 17:08:45 <oilsworkn> all those hunks always failing
May 04 17:09:07 * oilsworkn knows nothing about patches
May 04 17:09:26 * sbromwich can haz new toyz
May 04 17:09:28 <sbromwich> www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage.141-19.1_bobafett
May 04 17:09:47 <jacques> sbromwich: what's that?
May 04 17:09:51 <oilsworkn> too bad the new naming convention isn't as good :)
May 04 17:10:08 <halfhalo_T400> hah
May 04 17:10:28 <sbromwich> jacques: latest kernel with wfi instruction (Wait For Interrupt) if prcm fails... I *think* it should extend the battery life
May 04 17:10:35 <sbromwich> oilsworkn: blame uNiXpSyChO :-)
May 04 17:11:30 * oilsworkn blames both of you :)
May 04 17:11:46 <sbromwich> jacques: it certainly extends the time powerd spends asleep, I'm waiting for battery monitor to run for a while to see what it thinks
May 04 17:11:48 <sbromwich> heh
May 04 17:14:17 <jacques> sbromwich: nice
May 04 17:39:44 * oilsworkn considers creating a govnah top-bar patch
May 04 17:40:04 <yokken> D:
May 04 17:40:18 <yokken> how close are you guys to making govnah run in the background
May 04 17:40:21 <yokken> so i don't have to keep it open
May 04 17:41:09 <halfhalo_class> Would govnah work as a js service?  Or does it need to be a C service?
May 04 17:41:15 <oilsworkn> well
May 04 17:41:15 <yokken> prolly c
May 04 17:41:16 <yokken> lol
May 04 17:41:25 <zsoc_wirc> oil: I was expecting jason to do it lol
May 04 17:41:38 <oilsworkn> there is a difference between background and dashboard
May 04 17:41:41 <oilsworkn> dashboard is on the way
May 04 17:41:43 <zsoc_wirc> oil: top bar patch, date and time compatible, preferably
May 04 17:41:44 * halfhalo_class is getting his valve e3 pass mailed to him
May 04 17:42:02 <oilsworkn> background, is limited to being able to run every 5 mins, which is too long
May 04 17:42:04 <nt4cats> Headline: "Family disputes Verizon's $18,000 bill".  I'm kinda glad to be on Sprint
May 04 17:42:21 <oilsworkn> as far as services
May 04 17:42:23 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: verizon is losing customers in droves
May 04 17:42:37 <oilsworkn> i doubt palms js services will have access to the files govnah needs to read/write
May 04 17:43:33 <jacques> zsoc_wirc: losing customers to whom?
May 04 17:44:11 <oilsworkn> att for iphone?
May 04 17:44:21 <halfhalo_class> If vzw dropped their prices 10 bucks a month everyone else is screwed
May 04 17:44:27 <oilsworkn> zsoc_wirc: i dont know shit about patches
May 04 17:44:31 <oilsworkn> or the code for the top bar
May 04 17:44:35 <oilsworkn> but im sure i could make something sexy
May 04 17:44:41 <nt4cats> If vzw matched Sprint's prices Sprint would disappear
May 04 17:44:48 <oilsworkn> i dont even use any top-bar patches
May 04 17:45:15 <nt4cats> halfhalo_class: I read that as "if they dropped to $10/mo ... you meant dropped by $10/mo"
May 04 17:45:44 <halfhalo_class> yeah, but I'll take only 10 a month as well
May 04 17:45:58 <nt4cats> halfhalo_class: I'd sign up tomorrow (and get a Pre Plus)
May 04 17:46:09 * oilsworkn would sign up twice just because
May 04 17:46:34 <jacques> I really like sprint's prices, but that last couple of weeks my data service has been terrible during prime time - < 10KiB/s download rates
May 04 17:47:02 <jacques> I dunno what changed because it didn't used to be like that
May 04 17:47:33 <halfhalo_class> Sprint has the worst service out of all 4 big providers at my house
May 04 17:47:35 <jacques> vzw scares me with their crippling - like what they are doing with GPS
May 04 17:47:36 <nt4cats> jacques: it is probably that forsaken evil homebrew code you have on your phone
May 04 17:47:48 <jacques> (and have a long history of doing)
May 04 17:47:57 <halfhalo_class> Even sprints covereage map says "go outside to make a call"
May 04 17:48:04 <oilsworkn> haha
May 04 17:48:15 <jacques> halfhalo_class: yeah I have to do that at work
May 04 17:48:25 <VincentLaw> verizon is the roaming partner around where I live. I find the signal to suck just as bad as Sprint's when I have bad signal
May 04 17:48:33 <jacques> unless I set roam-only and roam on vzw
May 04 17:48:35 <halfhalo_class> Work/School is fine, but at home?  Crap
May 04 17:48:43 <halfhalo_class> drains battery like crazy as well
May 04 17:49:00 <VincentLaw> it seems everywhere sprint sucks around here, verizon does as well
May 04 17:49:04 <jacques> once I set roam-only, my battery life is fine
May 04 17:49:23 <halfhalo_class> For the longest time, I got no cell signal from ANY provider at my house
May 04 17:49:25 <nt4cats> when Sprint releases their 3G Airave (femtocell) I'll get one for home coverage
May 04 17:49:39 <oilsworkn> that sounds like a lot of work
May 04 17:49:45 <VincentLaw> why does it matter if it has 3G, nt4cats?
May 04 17:49:49 <halfhalo_class> then VZW stuck a tower the street above mine and full signal for all my phones
May 04 17:49:51 <VincentLaw> no wifi at home?
May 04 17:50:08 <halfhalo_class> and now tmobile has a tower as well, and att
May 04 17:50:29 <nt4cats> vincentlaw: it is a small nuisance to toggle wifi on and off as I leave the house ... and my wife wants a pixi, and we're on sprint, so no wifi on a pixi
May 04 17:50:49 <nt4cats> VincentLaw: ... and if she can't facebook with her phone she'll die (or kill me)
May 04 17:51:08 <oilsworkn> and both are terrible outcomes?
May 04 17:51:09 <VincentLaw> ew pixi :P
May 04 17:51:13 <halfhalo_class> Honestly, I would drop sprint in a heartbeat if the ATT versions worked with 3G on T-MO
May 04 17:51:27 * oilsworkn has no problem with sprint
May 04 17:51:40 <oilsworkn> i was with crappy local-ish-only cell company for like 8 years
May 04 17:51:46 <VincentLaw> only problem I have with sprint is they need to hurry up with their 4G in Cincinnati
May 04 17:51:50 <VincentLaw> so that it's ready for EVO
May 04 17:51:51 <VincentLaw> >.>
May 04 17:51:52 <oilsworkn> had the same phone pretty much the whole time
May 04 17:51:59 <oilsworkn> lol
May 04 17:52:02 <mischko> Can the internal music app be made to deal with ogg files now?
May 04 17:52:12 <oilsworkn> didn'
May 04 17:52:13 <halfhalo_class> I usually get a new phone every year (
May 04 17:52:18 <oilsworkn> didn't someone make that work?
May 04 17:52:23 <nt4cats> VincentLaw: My wife wants to a) use facebook, b) text, c) make/receive phone calls.  That's it.  She gets jealous when she sees me use the webOS FB client and thinks the pixi looks cute.  Other than no wifi it is a good fit for her
May 04 17:52:25 <halfhalo_class> Regardless of whether upgrade time or not)
May 04 17:52:44 <halfhalo_class> They make universal repeaters for like 300 don't they?
May 04 17:52:45 <jacques> sprint needs to hurry up and get the pluses
May 04 17:52:51 <oilsworkn> back then all i needed my phone to do was make telephone calls
May 04 17:52:54 <oilsworkn> and it did that great
May 04 17:52:59 <VincentLaw> nt4cats: ew, pixi :P
May 04 17:53:00 <oilsworkn> like a tank
May 04 17:53:44 <VincentLaw> I had a nokia brick with cincinnati bell, when I got my first phone
May 04 17:53:54 <VincentLaw> I don't think the phone itself was too bad, but the service was awful
May 04 17:54:01 <VincentLaw> I would have /full bars/ and it would fail to connect
May 04 17:54:10 <oilsworkn> crappy local carrier was great
May 04 17:54:14 <oilsworkn> but sprint is better
May 04 17:54:15 <halfhalo_class> Heh, the only think I used my vzw Voyager for was phone calls, internet (15 a month unlimited dumbphone data ftw), and AIM (Stupid client used both data to sign in then text messages to send/recieve messages)
May 04 17:54:24 <oilsworkn> and pre > the lg vx6000 i had for like half a decade
May 04 17:54:30 <VincentLaw> speaking of dumbphone data
May 04 17:54:37 <halfhalo_class> having 200 in overage text charges was NOT fun
May 04 17:54:40 <VincentLaw> I do miss tmobile's t-zones
May 04 17:54:50 <VincentLaw> you could hack the phone to do bluetooth tethering of data
May 04 17:54:58 <VincentLaw> and since it was unlimited... winnar
May 04 17:55:04 <halfhalo_class> Thats what I did with my voyager
May 04 17:55:06 <VincentLaw> too bad it was 2G
May 04 17:55:14 <VincentLaw> that internet was only $5/m :D
May 04 17:55:25 <halfhalo_class> hah
May 04 17:56:05 <halfhalo_class> I had to get the "VZW entertainment pack" which actually was not very entertaining since it costs an extra 15 a month to use the FLO tv client
May 04 17:56:17 <halfhalo_class> but on the bright side, the antenna was fun to play with
May 04 17:56:23 <VincentLaw> lol
May 04 17:57:08 <halfhalo_class> Main reason I want tmo over sprint is gsm
May 04 17:57:22 <yokken> gsm sux
May 04 17:57:24 <VincentLaw> tmo has better coverage than anyone around here
May 04 17:57:26 <yokken> LTE is way of the future
May 04 17:57:31 <halfhalo_class> Really want to be able to switch out between pre plus, pixi plus, and an android phone
May 04 17:57:31 <VincentLaw> but I want 4G
May 04 17:57:34 <yokken> LTE-Advanced actually
May 04 17:57:44 <yokken> WiMAX is going to get shit on by LTE-Advanced
May 04 17:57:48 <VincentLaw> and sprint's the only one with 4G really
May 04 17:58:01 <yokken> you can't expect to put 40mbps max downstream with 100mbps mobile downstream
May 04 17:58:03 * halfhalo_class points out that gsm is going LTE along with vzw and sort of sprint
May 04 17:58:21 <VincentLaw> also keep in mind that LTE still isn't really out there yet
May 04 17:58:34 <yokken> LG and someone else got like 6MB/s down and 2.5MB/s up while going 70mph/110km/hr
May 04 17:58:34 <VincentLaw> the longer they wait the more WiMAX wins, despite obvious spec differences
May 04 17:58:36 <oilsworkn> wimax is garbage
May 04 17:58:41 <yokken> wimax IS garbage
May 04 17:58:43 <yokken> thank you oil
May 04 17:58:52 <oilsworkn> i dont care about 4g
May 04 17:58:54 <yokken> also vzw is rolling out LTE already
May 04 17:58:55 <oilsworkn> i just know wimax is garbage
May 04 17:58:59 <oilsworkn> friend had clear for internet
May 04 17:59:04 <yokken> complete conversion by 2013
May 04 17:59:06 <VincentLaw> verizon is /saying/ they're rolling out LTE, yet to see it
May 04 17:59:07 <oilsworkn> couldn't play on live with it
May 04 17:59:09 <halfhalo_class> VZW, TMO, and ATT are all going LTE, and sprint has the infrastructure in place to augment wimax with LTE supereasy
May 04 17:59:12 <yokken> well no shit vincent
May 04 17:59:34 <nt4cats> sprint/clear claim they can switch their wimax network to LTE with a software upgrade
May 04 17:59:52 <nt4cats> can't really be true, but maybe it isn't as hard as one would guess
May 04 17:59:52 <yokken> lol
May 04 17:59:55 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: that's a big claim
May 04 17:59:58 <oilsworkn> if thats the case, doesn't it mean lte is just as garbage as wimax?
May 04 17:59:59 <yokken> very big claim
May 04 18:00:03 <yokken> but it's not
May 04 18:00:04 <halfhalo_class> I think its a little more than a software upgrade, unless its just for more ram
May 04 18:00:11 <yokken> LTE and WiMAX are entirely different spectrums
May 04 18:00:11 <VincentLaw> I imagine by the time LTE reaches cincinnati I'll be getting a new phone, so I'm getting EVO so I have 4G /now/
May 04 18:00:14 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: 'LTE' is a rather vague statement anyway
May 04 18:00:31 <halfhalo_class> but very, very, very simply they can go to LTE
May 04 18:00:32 <yokken> The current WiMAX revision provides up to 40 Mbps[1][2]  with the IEEE 802.16m update expected offer up to 1 Gbit/s fixed speeds. (WiMAX is based on the IEEE 802.16 standard, also called Broadband Wireless Access).
May 04 18:01:00 <oilsworkn> wimax 40mbps? HAHA
May 04 18:01:06 <yokken> exactly
May 04 18:01:08 <bpadalino|work> m stands for milli
May 04 18:01:11 <yokken> so shitty compared to LTE
May 04 18:01:11 <zsoc_wirc> well it's possible
May 04 18:01:20 <yokken> The LTE specification provides downlink peak rates of at least 100 Mbps, an uplink of at least 50 Mbps and RAN round-trip times of less than 10 ms.
May 04 18:01:34 <yokken> 100mbps down, 50mbps up, 10ms ping time
May 04 18:01:45 <oilsworkn> like you'd actually get that though
May 04 18:01:48 <VincentLaw> yeah, I will eat my hat if you see a tenth of that
May 04 18:01:58 <yokken> and this is evolving into LTE Advanced, where some asian company hit 5gbps down moving at 10 km/h
May 04 18:02:05 <oilsworkn> wireless will never be better then a wire
May 04 18:02:13 <VincentLaw> you have to remember
May 04 18:02:16 * oilsworkn wants gigabit lan port on his pre
May 04 18:02:18 <zsoc_wirc> oilsworkn: sure it will, eventually
May 04 18:02:23 <VincentLaw> even if the spec says its capable, you have to make sure the backend can do it
May 04 18:02:34 <yokken> lol gigabit lan on a pre
May 04 18:02:38 <yokken> oil, i thought so too
May 04 18:02:41 <halfhalo_class> You know what sprint should do?  Partner with schools/colleges where the campus has its own tower and sprint pays them to host it.
May 04 18:02:44 <VincentLaw> if the tower only has a 100mbps line for 50 connections, you're not going to get 100mbps :P
May 04 18:02:57 <halfhalo_class> Cheap plans for college students ftw
May 04 18:03:03 <yokken> Peak download rates of 326.4 Mbit/s for 4x4 antennas, and 172.8 Mbit/s for 2x2 antennas (utilizing 20 MHz of spectrum
May 04 18:03:09 <yokken> At least 200 active users in every 5 MHz cell.
May 04 18:03:21 <VincentLaw> that had nothing to do with what I said yokken
May 04 18:03:21 <yokken> so 800 users on 326mbps
May 04 18:03:23 <firestrider> anyone know the android channel
May 04 18:03:25 <yokken> actually it did
May 04 18:03:26 <VincentLaw> that tower has to connect to something
May 04 18:03:31 <yokken> yes
May 04 18:03:34 <yokken> backhaul
May 04 18:03:37 <VincentLaw> right
May 04 18:03:41 <VincentLaw> that's what I'm talking about
May 04 18:03:45 <VincentLaw> not the spec, but the backend
May 04 18:03:45 <yokken> it's going to have 1gbps to it
May 04 18:03:54 <yokken> they're not going to run a single 100mbit line to a tower
May 04 18:03:54 * halfhalo_class has shiny fast connection to backhaul at work
May 04 18:03:56 <nt4cats> throw a couple of DS0's at backhaul and make up the difference with compression.  I win!
May 04 18:04:02 <halfhalo_class> hah
May 04 18:04:13 <yokken> lol DS0
May 04 18:04:18 <VincentLaw> yokken: wouldn't be the first time they've screwed up backhaul
May 04 18:04:27 <VincentLaw> see also: AT&T
May 04 18:04:29 <yokken> sprint's backhaul is way > AT&T
May 04 18:04:36 <yokken> HSDPA "7.2mbps"
May 04 18:04:50 <yokken> my evdo rev.2, 3.2mbps i think?, is way faster than my at&t 3g
May 04 18:04:53 <yokken> on a blackberry bold
May 04 18:05:02 <yokken> *rev.a, my bad
May 04 18:05:09 <halfhalo_class> My internets speed is limited by the 100mbit line running from my work laptop to the wall to the office router
May 04 18:05:19 <yokken> yeah, i've hit 100mbit at school
May 04 18:05:24 <en0x> so why the ATT says that they have fatest 3g network? :(
May 04 18:05:25 <yokken> limited by the wall jack
May 04 18:05:27 <VincentLaw> Right, I'm saying, even if they have LTE, they have to make sure they build the backhaul to match it, and I don't have 100% confidence in that :P
May 04 18:05:30 <yokken> because by spec, they do, en0x
May 04 18:05:41 <yokken> vincent, sprint is all about the backhaul
May 04 18:05:47 <halfhalo_class> yup
May 04 18:06:00 <halfhalo_class> They have a whole division for it
May 04 18:06:03 <VincentLaw> when did you start talking about sprint? >.>
May 04 18:06:06 <oilsworkn> ohh, a division
May 04 18:06:10 <oilsworkn> haha
May 04 18:06:12 <VincentLaw> I'm arguing for sprint in defense of wimax >.>
May 04 18:06:12 <halfhalo_class> by 0!
May 04 18:06:16 <yokken> lol
May 04 18:06:24 <yokken> verizon will backhaul the fuck out of it
May 04 18:06:31 <yokken> they already have fios
May 04 18:06:38 <halfhalo_class> not where I live
May 04 18:06:38 <yokken> they already have a ton of infrastructure in place
May 04 18:06:40 <VincentLaw> verizon's done with fios
May 04 18:06:43 <yokken> yeah not where i live either
May 04 18:06:44 <halfhalo_class> *sadpanda*
May 04 18:06:45 <VincentLaw> they are no longer expanding fios
May 04 18:06:49 <yokken> but they already have fios where it is
May 04 18:06:54 <yokken> and those places will probably get LTE first
May 04 18:07:03 * oilsworkn wishes there was fios here
May 04 18:07:08 <oilsworkn> my only option is cable
May 04 18:07:14 <halfhalo_class> same
May 04 18:07:16 <halfhalo_class> or dialup
May 04 18:07:18 <VincentLaw> yeah, which aint cincy, so I'm getting an EVO now and I'll get LTE when it's finally out and rarin to go, come 2 years later :P
May 04 18:07:24 <oilsworkn> i dont consider dialup an option
May 04 18:07:31 <yokken> i have comcast at home
May 04 18:07:34 <oilsworkn> i would rather go without internet then have to hear that connectino sound ever again
May 04 18:07:38 * en0x got fios
May 04 18:07:40 <yokken> 1.5MB/s is fine for almost everything
May 04 18:07:45 <VincentLaw> you forgot satellite! >.>
May 04 18:07:46 * oilsworkn now hates en0x
May 04 18:07:48 <halfhalo_class> I didn't until Time Warner started rebooting their DNS servers every night
May 04 18:07:53 * VincentLaw gets 1second+ ping
May 04 18:07:57 <oilsworkn> satellite is garbage
May 04 18:08:12 <yokken> lol 1000ms+ ping
May 04 18:08:13 <VincentLaw> halfhalo_class: say wut? :/
May 04 18:08:19 <halfhalo_class> but 50 a month only gets me 2MB/s down
May 04 18:08:27 <yokken> yeah, $145/month for 50/20
May 04 18:08:31 <yokken> expensive shit
May 04 18:08:42 <halfhalo_class> yeah, TW started rebooting their dns servers every night.  Its bad.
May 04 18:08:50 <yokken> verizon business is a tier1 network
May 04 18:08:55 <VincentLaw> halfhalo_class: time warner gives me 15mbps down for $50/m, and I've had the same IP for 2 years :P
May 04 18:08:58 <yokken> like teliasonera, level3, globalcrossing
May 04 18:09:07 <yokken> but i guess sprint, qwest, and at&t are also
May 04 18:09:09 <VincentLaw> oh wait
May 04 18:09:10 <VincentLaw> dns
May 04 18:09:11 <VincentLaw> not dhcp
May 04 18:09:12 <VincentLaw> hurf
May 04 18:09:14 <yokken> lol
May 04 18:09:15 <yokken> herp derp
May 04 18:09:17 <oilsworkn> lol
May 04 18:09:34 <halfhalo_class> Yeah, my ip changes maybe once every 6 months when I have to hard reset modem
May 04 18:09:36 <yokken> so AT&T has this epic hub in minneapolis
May 04 18:09:43 <yokken> like they got KILLER internets there now
May 04 18:09:43 <VincentLaw> haven't noticed dns issues though here :/
May 04 18:09:49 <yokken> yet they haven;t expanded it to suburbs
May 04 18:09:49 <bpadalino|work> satellite isn't too bad as long as you can keep something in the pipe
May 04 18:09:51 <yokken> like what the hell :(
May 04 18:09:58 <VincentLaw> although my router has a pretty good dns cache (yay tomato)
May 04 18:10:17 <yokken> yay dd-wrt
May 04 18:10:19 <oilsworkn> satellite is ok if you don't plan on playing any games
May 04 18:10:35 <bpadalino|work> true
May 04 18:10:38 <VincentLaw> or browsing the internet for extended periods
May 04 18:10:40 <halfhalo_class> My routers are running dd-wrt, but are playing pass-the-dns and crap out when the modems like "wtf dont look at me"
May 04 18:10:44 <VincentLaw> they have SEVERE bandwidth caps
May 04 18:10:52 <bpadalino|work> i thought we were talking connectivity for mobile devices
May 04 18:11:00 <oilsworkn> yeah they do
May 04 18:11:01 <VincentLaw> we're talking 400mb bandwidth caps
May 04 18:11:09 <oilsworkn> we used to have it here at work
May 04 18:11:11 <yokken> lol modems are like "wtf don't look at me"
May 04 18:11:13 <halfhalo_class> AND its dial up out
May 04 18:11:14 <oilsworkn> the equipment kept overheating
May 04 18:11:18 <oilsworkn> and killing the connection
May 04 18:11:21 <yokken> oh yeah same here
May 04 18:11:22 <oilsworkn> so we put a fan on it
May 04 18:11:26 <nt4cats> I want an icon on my phone to start and stop daemons (e.g. openssh)
May 04 18:11:28 <VincentLaw> halfhalo_class: not necessarily anymore. there are 2 way satellite connections now
May 04 18:11:30 <oilsworkn> just blowing on it
May 04 18:11:33 <yokken> my family's gone through... 4 cable modems from comcast now
May 04 18:11:33 <oilsworkn> and it started working great
May 04 18:11:36 <oilsworkn> but still slow as shit
May 04 18:11:39 <yokken> since we got roadrunner in like 2001 or something
May 04 18:11:52 <yokken> they just start to crap out
May 04 18:11:54 <yokken> it's terrible
May 04 18:11:54 <VincentLaw> I've had 4 modems since 2000 when I got roadrunner
May 04 18:11:56 <halfhalo_class> Still on first modem for RR
May 04 18:12:00 <yokken> yeah it's annoying as fuck
May 04 18:12:02 <en0x> i never had issues with FIOS... i had comcast before and it was crap
May 04 18:12:04 <VincentLaw> my current one I've had for a long time though
May 04 18:12:14 <halfhalo_class> Heh, one day came home to find my dad went from dial up to RR with AOL
May 04 18:12:15 <VincentLaw> the first one barely counts, it was bad when they installed it. lol
May 04 18:12:22 * oilsworkn has had the same cable modem for as long as hes had cable
May 04 18:12:39 <halfhalo_class> My house has issues with cabling
May 04 18:12:41 <VincentLaw> halfhalo_class: hah, I went from AOL to RR
May 04 18:12:52 * oilsworkn went from aol to charter
May 04 18:12:56 <VincentLaw> my house has terrible phone lines. I never got better than 28.8kbps. ever.
May 04 18:12:57 <oilsworkn> well, my parents had aol
May 04 18:13:02 <oilsworkn> i went from nothing to cable
May 04 18:13:05 <oilsworkn> lol
May 04 18:13:16 <yokken> i went from 56k to cable
May 04 18:13:21 <yokken> 1mbps was like "holy fucking shit"
May 04 18:13:22 <VincentLaw> I remember celebrating when I would download at 2.7KB/s instead of 2.5KB/s
May 04 18:13:24 <yokken> "how will i use all this"
May 04 18:13:26 <halfhalo_class> No ethernet, no coax (Because Directv cut them when they put new sattelite lines up), and iffy power
May 04 18:14:07 <VincentLaw> yokken: first thing I did was visit a bunch of streaming internet video sites. I thought using realplayer like that was the coolest thing ever
May 04 18:14:08 * nt4cats gets about 2.2 MB/s (that's megabytes per second) pretty reliably here
May 04 18:14:14 <yokken> lol realplayer
May 04 18:14:17 <VincentLaw> back when Realplayer wasn't a horrible program
May 04 18:14:19 <zsoc_wirc> 1gps ftw
May 04 18:14:20 <halfhalo_class> Oh, the fact that directv cut every single coax line in/around my house pissed me off
May 04 18:14:31 <halfhalo_class> 1 MILLION MBPS ftw
May 04 18:14:37 <yokken> also i guess at&t didn't build their shit in minneapolis, turns out MPLS is an acronym for Multiprotocol Label Switching
May 04 18:14:47 <VincentLaw> also if you want fast internet
May 04 18:14:49 <VincentLaw> go to South Korea
May 04 18:14:56 <VincentLaw> where apparently the average speed is like 100mbps
May 04 18:14:58 <yokken> OC-768 lines... fuck
May 04 18:15:02 * oilsworkn packs bag
May 04 18:15:10 * halfhalo_class is booking his flight already
May 04 18:15:16 <zsoc_wirc>  my isp utilizes dns hijacking. it sucks
May 04 18:15:22 <yokken> http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/6866/lucky9175908.jpg
May 04 18:15:26 <halfhalo> use different dns servers
May 04 18:15:32 <yokken> japan, avg internet connection speed is 61mbps
May 04 18:15:36 <yokken> $0.27 per mbps
May 04 18:15:37 <yokken> in USD
May 04 18:15:49 <VincentLaw> use googledns! google, taking over the internet, one service at a time.
May 04 18:15:50 <oilsworkn> japan it is
May 04 18:15:53 <oilsworkn> i got friends living there
May 04 18:15:54 <yokken> 8.8.8.8
May 04 18:15:56 <oilsworkn> that know the language
May 04 18:16:02 <yokken> also googleDNS isn't the fastest
May 04 18:16:03 <oilsworkn> ill sleep on their couch
May 04 18:16:25 <halfhalo> hah
May 04 18:16:34 <VincentLaw> nah what you do is
May 04 18:16:38 <nt4cats> googleDNS isn't the fastest but it always seems to work and they don't linkjack
May 04 18:16:44 <halfhalo> I need food.  Actually, what I need is spaces to stop spazzing out
May 04 18:16:49 <VincentLaw> run a ethernet line and about 500 repeaters from there to your house, across the ocean
May 04 18:16:52 <yokken> there's a utility to check what DNS is bets for you
May 04 18:16:54 <yokken> *best
May 04 18:16:59 <halfhalo> Oh, Oh, Oh!
May 04 18:17:04 <halfhalo> New router is being delivered!
May 04 18:17:08 <yokken> nice.
May 04 18:17:10 <nt4cats> Visit www.yokken-dns.com
May 04 18:17:21 <VincentLaw> hmm
May 04 18:17:29 <oilsworkn> page not found
May 04 18:17:31 <yokken> lol
May 04 18:17:33 <VincentLaw> I wonder if it's possible to transmit wifi through the earth's core
May 04 18:17:37 <VincentLaw> someone needs to test this
May 04 18:17:41 <halfhalo> Now I have 3 routers running
May 04 18:17:42 <oilsworkn> talk about random
May 04 18:17:45 <nt4cats> VincentLaw: with sufficient broadcast power, yes.
May 04 18:17:46 <halfhalo> or will
May 04 18:18:08 <oilsworkn> what we need is vehicles that go through the center of the earth
May 04 18:18:11 <VincentLaw> nt4cats: of course with sufficient. but sufficient != physically possible :P
May 04 18:18:30 <yokken> NAMEBENCH
May 04 18:18:31 <yokken> that's it
May 04 18:18:41 <yokken> http://code.google.com/p/namebench/
May 04 18:18:50 <VincentLaw> if I have to run a nuclear power plant on both sides, and birds drop out of the sky due to radiation poisoning, probably not useful :P
May 04 18:18:56 <halfhalo> One WRT-600N as main router, a WRT-300N connected via powerline to my room with desktop, dvr, and mini wired, and the new DLINK I got on sale taking the place of the WRT-300N as a repeater
May 04 18:19:03 <oilsworkn> what is it about posts like this: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/244701-govnah-3.html#post2422170
May 04 18:19:04 <oilsworkn> ?
May 04 18:19:04 <yokken> halfhalo: 600N?
May 04 18:19:15 <halfhalo> Model name
May 04 18:19:18 <yokken> i know
May 04 18:19:21 <yokken> why not 610N?
May 04 18:19:23 <yokken> what's the diff
May 04 18:19:28 <VincentLaw> I want a good Wireless N router with gigabit ports and DD-WRT support
May 04 18:19:33 <yokken> lol oilsworkn
May 04 18:19:38 <halfhalo> Mines... Older?
May 04 18:19:40 <nt4cats> You can't limit yourself to "possible".  If Einstein limited himself to "possible" do you think we'd have gravity today?  If I limited myself to "possible" do you think that chick at that bar I went to once in college would have shown me her hooters?  Think outside the box, man!
May 04 18:19:41 <yokken> ABOUT 40 PATCHES
May 04 18:19:45 <halfhalo> Got it when It first came out
May 04 18:19:53 <yokken> VincentLaw: WRT610N with dd-wrt
May 04 18:19:58 <yokken> works great
May 04 18:20:05 <yokken> dual-band with 2.4ghz and 5ghz, wireless-n
May 04 18:20:14 <halfhalo> Yupyup
May 04 18:20:16 <yokken> and 4 gigabit ethernet, 1 gigabit internet port
May 04 18:20:18 <halfhalo> same as my 600N
May 04 18:20:23 <yokken> i think 610N has more RAM or something
May 04 18:20:28 <yokken> i overclocked the CPU to 330mhz lol
May 04 18:20:28 <halfhalo> Psha
May 04 18:20:31 * oilsworkn has same wrt45g he has had forever
May 04 18:20:36 <halfhalo> the 600N has never failed me yet
May 04 18:20:39 <yokken> and i boosted the FUCK out of the broadcast power
May 04 18:20:41 <VincentLaw> figures newegg is out of stock
May 04 18:20:45 <halfhalo> the 300N, however, is a total POS
May 04 18:20:48 <yokken> like, from 80mW to like 180mW
May 04 18:20:52 <yokken> or something
May 04 18:20:58 <VincentLaw> isn't boosting the broadcast power kind of pointless if the other side isn't boosted?
May 04 18:21:04 <yokken> people at the other end of the dorm can get my signal
May 04 18:21:06 <halfhalo> I tried running it as the main router and it just failed with regards to dns and dchp
May 04 18:21:07 <yokken> no, not necessarily
May 04 18:21:22 <yokken> lots of people who barely got 1 bar of connectivity to my router now get like 3-4
May 04 18:21:30 <yokken> and my wireless is way better than on-campus
May 04 18:21:35 <VincentLaw> yeah but that's just judging the signal coming from the router
May 04 18:21:37 <yokken> way too many people connected to one hotspot
May 04 18:21:47 <halfhalo> Heh, the mini is unable to pull more than 600KB/s down over wifi right now
May 04 18:21:49 <yokken> 100mbit internet, you get about 50KB/s max
May 04 18:21:49 <VincentLaw> that doesn't mean your device has good connection going back to the router
May 04 18:21:52 <MetaView> oha, I kiled my calendar
May 04 18:22:10 <yokken> vincent, that may be true, regardless, their connection to my router is much stronger
May 04 18:22:43 <halfhalo> Due to some reason my dad does not want me to encrypt our wireless network
May 04 18:22:51 * yokken is listening to "SHT MTN" by Holy Fuck, from the album Latin. 283kbps MP3 
May 04 18:22:54 <yokken> halfhalo how old are you
May 04 18:23:06 <halfhalo> which is sad, since it would provide better connections to the n devices
May 04 18:23:18 <halfhalo> around 20
May 04 18:23:24 <VincentLaw> I don't encrypt mine currently, thanks to the effing DS
May 04 18:23:25 <oilsworkn> around?
May 04 18:23:27 <yokken> and your dad won't let you encrypt your wireless network
May 04 18:23:28 <oilsworkn> so... 19?
May 04 18:23:35 <yokken> say fuck you and do it
May 04 18:23:38 <halfhalo> maybe, maybe not!
May 04 18:23:45 <yokken> i'm 19 as well
May 04 18:24:00 <nt4cats> I have underwear that is 19 years old :/
May 04 18:24:02 <yokken> i noticed a significant speed drop when i used WPA2 so i'm just on WPA
May 04 18:24:08 <oilsworkn> good nt4cats is still here
May 04 18:24:14 <yokken> only like 1mbps slower than open
May 04 18:24:14 <halfhalo> But hell, I'm living at home for cheap during college so whatevas
May 04 18:24:15 <en0x> i only do mac filtering
May 04 18:24:15 <en0x> :D
May 04 18:24:18 * oilsworkn doesn't feel like oldest person in channel anymore
May 04 18:24:28 <yokken> mac filtering lol
May 04 18:24:29 <MetaView> hehe
May 04 18:24:30 <VincentLaw> nt4cats: shouldn't you be in hospis or something?
May 04 18:24:38 <halfhalo> psh, effort
May 04 18:24:41 <yokken> no ssid broadcast, WPA, and mac address filtering
May 04 18:24:48 <en0x> yokken: hehehe 99 procent of amirancs are dumb and don't know how to get in anyway
May 04 18:24:51 <en0x> :P
May 04 18:24:52 <yokken> now someone tell me how to still beat that
May 04 18:24:55 <VincentLaw> mac filtering: most pointless "security" function ever
May 04 18:25:03 <yokken> WPA, MAC filtering, and no SSID broadcast
May 04 18:25:05 * oilsworkn somehow ended up at nt4cats youtube page the other day, and learned about friction from his daughter
May 04 18:25:07 <yokken> how do you beat
May 04 18:25:10 <VincentLaw> 3 seconds scanning existing traffic and you can get valid MACs
May 04 18:25:24 <nt4cats> oilsworkn: that's my kid!
May 04 18:25:27 <en0x> VincentLaw: well u are the one in 1% of american population who can do that
May 04 18:25:30 <yokken> k so you can spoof your mac address
May 04 18:25:31 <oilsworkn> haha
May 04 18:25:34 <yokken> do you know the SSID?
May 04 18:25:34 <playya> VincentLaw, except hiding you network ;)
May 04 18:25:37 <oilsworkn> it was a great video
May 04 18:25:41 <halfhalo> Dammit, all I want to do is wire up all the dvr's so we can ditch using the stupid wireless phone electrical thingies and use powerline mesh adapters
May 04 18:25:47 <yokken> and how many packets will you need to capture in order to bruteforce the WPA?
May 04 18:25:50 <en0x> i mac filter my wifi for over 3 years and I never got anyone who is not legit
May 04 18:25:51 <nt4cats> oilsworkn: I'm guessing that you looked at the kernel demo I hosted for sbromwich
May 04 18:25:56 <oilsworkn> right
May 04 18:26:02 <oilsworkn> thats how i got there
May 04 18:26:05 <VincentLaw> yokken: I wouldn't bother with WPA, I'd just connect to the moron down the street running WEP
May 04 18:26:08 <halfhalo> suuuure
May 04 18:26:13 <yokken> lol
May 04 18:26:20 <halfhalo> Oh, wep cracking is fun
May 04 18:26:27 <yokken> do you know how you'd beat WPA+MAC filtering+no SSID?
May 04 18:26:33 <halfhalo> why is there no wep cracker on the pre yet!
May 04 18:26:37 <VincentLaw> break into your house and reset the router?
May 04 18:26:40 <yokken> compile aircrack-ng yourself
May 04 18:26:42 <oilsworkn> its waiting for you to write it
May 04 18:27:12 <yokken> KisMAC <3
May 04 18:27:12 <halfhalo> hah
May 04 18:27:14 <halfhalo> NO
May 04 18:27:18 <halfhalo> kismet ftw
May 04 18:27:19 <yokken> prepackaged aircrack-ng for macs
May 04 18:27:24 <halfhalo> or the airoscript-ng package
May 04 18:27:28 <halfhalo> good times...
May 04 18:27:37 <yokken> yeah
May 04 18:27:55 <VincentLaw> of course we all have 3G anyway so why bother :P
May 04 18:28:00 <oilsworkn> srsly
May 04 18:28:01 <yokken> lol
May 04 18:28:04 <halfhalo> Because?
May 04 18:28:10 <halfhalo> Oh, Oh, Oh!
May 04 18:28:11 * oilsworkn never uses wifi on main pre
May 04 18:28:13 <yokken> i accidentally connect to my neighbor's wifi all the time
May 04 18:28:14 <halfhalo> Interviews happenin
May 04 18:28:15 <yokken> at home
May 04 18:28:21 <yokken> because it's named "linksys" with no password
May 04 18:28:30 <yokken> and then i'm like "why the fuck is this going so slow" and then i check SSID
May 04 18:28:31 <halfhalo> mine are named dd-wrt
May 04 18:28:33 <yokken> and i'm like son of a bitch
May 04 18:29:15 <VincentLaw> btw
May 04 18:29:19 <VincentLaw> May the Fourth be with you all
May 04 18:29:24 <halfhalo> hah
May 04 18:29:28 <halfhalo> I need food
May 04 18:29:42 <halfhalo> but dont know what to get next door at the food place
May 04 18:29:47 <yokken> lol
May 04 18:29:48 * oilsworkn changes his ssid every so often
May 04 18:29:50 <yokken> may the forth be with you
May 04 18:29:54 <halfhalo> Thinking chili fries or nachos
May 04 18:30:06 <oilsworkn> like "free porn"
May 04 18:30:19 <halfhalo> Or something that will take long to eat so he can watch castle on hulu
May 04 18:30:24 <yokken> lol free porn
May 04 18:30:29 <yokken> "hack me"
May 04 18:30:39 <oilsworkn> or "your music sucks"
May 04 18:30:43 <halfhalo> "Connect to me.  I f'ing dare you"
May 04 18:30:47 <yokken> "turn that down"
May 04 18:30:52 <VincentLaw> "NSA Secure Network"
May 04 18:30:58 <yokken> "CLASSIFIED"
May 04 18:31:00 <oilsworkn> "i see your dog crapping in my yard"
May 04 18:31:03 <halfhalo> "We can hear you going at it.  She's a screamer"
May 04 18:31:14 <yokken> "nice couch"
May 04 18:31:17 <oilsworkn> haha
May 04 18:31:23 <VincentLaw> "Look Behind You"
May 04 18:31:31 <halfhalo> "I use the same bath stuff"
May 04 18:31:34 <yokken> "what a beautiful daughter you have"
May 04 18:31:36 <oilsworkn> sometimes having an open wireless network is fun
May 04 18:31:46 <yokken> oh bash.org quotes
May 04 18:31:53 <VincentLaw> oilsworkn: upsidedown-ternet?
May 04 18:32:00 <oilsworkn> haha, thats a good one
May 04 18:32:01 <yokken> some new neighbors moved into the apartment below me
May 04 18:32:05 <oilsworkn> or just browsing their shared files
May 04 18:32:08 <yokken> they thought it'd be funny to connect to my wireless network
May 04 18:32:12 <oilsworkn> cause they have no clue connecting to my network opens them to me
May 04 18:32:21 <yokken> in short, they now have boatloads of horse porn on their computers
May 04 18:32:26 <oilsworkn> haha
May 04 18:33:00 <halfhalo> lol
May 04 18:33:03 <VincentLaw> no what you do is
May 04 18:33:05 <VincentLaw> edit their documents
May 04 18:33:09 <VincentLaw> to have swear words in the middle
May 04 18:33:13 <yokken> freudian slips
May 04 18:33:19 <yokken> i think that was bash.org as well
May 04 18:33:31 <yokken> that, or i personally knew someone who did that
May 04 18:33:39 <yokken> like, there was a big win2k vulerability
May 04 18:33:50 <yokken> if you didn't like reset some pass or something, anyone could remote in as admin
May 04 18:33:51 <yokken> lol
May 04 18:34:00 <yokken> so they just did massive port sweeps on IP ranges
May 04 18:34:05 <yokken> went in and was like
May 04 18:34:07 <yokken> THIS IS THE FBI
May 04 18:34:11 <VincentLaw> administrator with no pass was default on install
May 04 18:34:13 <yokken> STOP DOWNLOADING SHIT
May 04 18:34:19 <yokken> girl freaks out
May 04 18:34:21 <yokken> OKAY I'M SORRY
May 04 18:34:25 <yokken> I JUST WANTED A FEW SONGS
May 04 18:34:28 <yokken> PLEASE DON'T ARREST ME
May 04 18:34:30 <yokken> so funny
May 04 18:34:34 <yokken> "shit was so cash"
May 04 18:36:01 <halfhalo> I miss the old apple demote desktop software... you could make the cd drives open on command
May 04 18:36:02 <yokken> wow
May 04 18:36:12 <halfhalo> I wrote an apple script to do it to music
May 04 18:36:19 <yokken> OpenDNS-2 is 80% faster than my current primary DNS server
May 04 18:36:21 <yokken> fuck me
May 04 18:36:35 <oilsworkn> lol
May 04 18:37:19 <yokken> k i changed one of my router's bands to WEP
May 04 18:37:31 <VincentLaw> we did that at my high school. we all had laptops. there was a way using computer management, to connect to someone else on the network, and by using the Inject Media option and then cancelling, it would pop their cd-drive lol
May 04 18:37:33 <yokken> gonna see if i can hax it
May 04 18:37:37 <yokken> lol
May 04 18:38:10 <VincentLaw> word spread fast about that. one time during homeroom it was nothing but the sound of people's drives opening
May 04 18:38:15 <yokken> oh yeah
May 04 18:38:21 <VincentLaw> people finally just started to leave them popped open so they wouldn't make noise
May 04 18:38:27 <halfhalo> Hah
May 04 18:38:44 <halfhalo> I love how most software trips out when you unplug the ethernet cord during login
May 04 18:39:13 <halfhalo> fakes it out and thinks the computer is just not responding and ignores the new occurance of it onthe network
May 04 18:43:33 <halfhalo> chili cheese fries or nachos....
May 04 18:43:36 <halfhalo> decisions....
May 04 18:45:50 <nt4cats> halfhalo: chili cheese fries and nachos.  FTFY
May 04 18:45:51 <zsoc_wirc> hape: chili and fries /in/ your nachos
May 04 18:45:56 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: hahaha
May 04 18:46:03 <zsoc_wirc> and I tab failed lol
May 04 18:52:55 <nt4cats> gotta go get the kids from school -- bbia
May 04 18:52:59 <nt4cats> err bbiab
May 04 19:00:11 <halfhalo> I got... a burger
May 04 19:02:18 <ytz> Bar-darmp-barmp. Bar-darmp-barmp-bar-narmp wukka wukka wukka
May 04 19:03:05 <ytz> (burger pr0n soundtrack)
May 04 19:03:17 <halfhalo> burger was faster and I stocked up on hotsauce and napkins
May 04 19:03:31 <ytz> The finest kind
May 04 19:04:22 <halfhalo> Heh
May 04 19:04:41 <halfhalo> have alot of chipotle hotsauce bottle here at work
May 04 19:05:01 <ytz> Sweeet
May 04 19:06:25 <ytz> I always had chipotle confused with mesquite and thought I didn'tlike it for quite some time.  Ended having some one day and was all "Waitaminute..."
May 04 19:06:50 <halfhalo> Heh
May 04 19:07:11 <halfhalo> Ordering online, pick up from the place across the street from school
May 04 19:07:21 <ytz> perfect
May 04 19:10:03 <nt4cats|taxi> halfhalo: hungry?  http://zorga.se/files/image/nootrishus.jpg
May 04 19:10:28 <halfhalo> hah
May 04 19:11:22 <yokken> WELL FUCK ME SIDEWAYS AND UPSIDE DOWN
May 04 19:11:33 <yokken> i just spent what, like 30 minutes trying to fix my fucking router
May 04 19:11:46 <halfhalo> and?
May 04 19:11:50 <yokken> i changed static DNS, causes it to lose MAC address clone which is allowing the router to grab an IP from the school
May 04 19:11:53 <beelzabub> apparently he's all horny now
May 04 19:12:06 <halfhalo> HA
May 04 19:12:08 <beelzabub> never knew anyone could get so turned on by router configuration
May 04 19:12:08 <yokken> then it won't hold the mac address clone when i tell it to keep it
May 04 19:12:19 <yokken> and then i can't connect via wired
May 04 19:12:23 <yokken> so i have to go wireless
May 04 19:12:31 <yokken> seriously i FINALLY got the order of operations right
May 04 19:12:35 <yokken> and configured it properly
May 04 19:12:38 <halfhalo> Wireless FTW
May 04 19:12:43 <yokken> sigh
May 04 19:12:52 <yokken> piece of shit
May 04 19:12:59 <yokken> but it WAS free
May 04 19:13:55 <yokken> srsly, shit pissed me off.
May 04 19:15:00 <yokken> lol i just found a network within range that has NO SSID
May 04 19:15:04 <halfhalo> hah
May 04 19:15:08 <yokken> and it's open
May 04 19:15:27 <yokken> how many packets do you think i'll need to crack WEP with the password "password"
May 04 19:15:29 <yokken> lol
May 04 19:15:32 <yokken> i have 650+
May 04 19:15:35 <halfhalo> 1
May 04 19:15:38 <yokken> D:
May 04 19:15:55 <yokken> YAY WEAK SCHEDULING ATTACK
May 04 19:16:04 <yokken> wow using an entire core
May 04 19:16:19 <yokken> there sure are a lot of keys to check, gawrsh
May 04 19:17:01 <yokken> over 3.5mil keys and still didn't find it
May 04 19:17:23 <halfhalo> Hah
May 04 19:17:38 <yokken> i just did some attack and it SAYS that it worked... it found the key
May 04 19:17:55 <halfhalo> it may/may not
May 04 19:17:59 <yokken> uh
May 04 19:18:06 <yokken> no ASCII key
May 04 19:18:11 <zsoc_wirc> yokken: I could do it with 28
May 04 19:18:13 <yokken> but F2:C7:BB etc
May 04 19:18:20 <halfhalo> That should work
May 04 19:18:22 <yokken> i didn't know that was a key...?
May 04 19:18:24 <halfhalo> Its hex
May 04 19:18:31 <yokken> i know what hex is
May 04 19:18:35 <yokken> and i know WEP passwords use it
May 04 19:18:36 <halfhalo> lies
May 04 19:18:38 <yokken> but i leave the colons out?
May 04 19:18:43 <halfhalo> No
May 04 19:18:46 <yokken> base 16 bitch
May 04 19:18:58 <halfhalo> BASE 1 WINS!
May 04 19:19:15 <yokken> lol base 1
May 04 19:19:19 <yokken> also says invalid password.
May 04 19:19:33 <yokken> yeah you leave out colons
May 04 19:19:34 <yokken> lol
May 04 19:19:41 <yokken> winnage
May 04 19:19:46 <yokken> i did it with the newsham 23-bit attack or something
May 04 19:19:57 <yokken> 21-bit
May 04 19:20:37 <yokken> i really wanna go wardriving around campus now lol
May 04 19:20:40 <halfhalo> Hmm, don't remember leaving colons out
May 04 19:20:54 <halfhalo> Gps+airodump on pre=awesome
May 04 19:21:16 <yokken> wat
May 04 19:21:19 <yokken> does that work?
May 04 19:21:25 <halfhalo> not yet
May 04 19:21:29 <yokken> lol
May 04 19:21:41 <yokken> i doubt the pre's chipset supports promiscuous mode
May 04 19:21:44 <yokken> but if it does... lol
May 04 19:21:47 <halfhalo> its linux
May 04 19:21:53 <halfhalo> it can do ANYTHING!
May 04 19:22:03 <yokken> not if the hw doesn't have all the components to do it
May 04 19:22:15 <yokken> but yeah, people can write drivers for pretty much anything on linux
May 04 19:23:08 <yokken> deauthenticate is so sneaky lol
May 04 19:23:15 <yokken> you just boot people off the hotspot
May 04 19:23:18 <yokken> then activate sniffing
May 04 19:23:21 <yokken> and then their computers reconnect
May 04 19:23:27 <yokken> and you get the packets you need! :D
May 04 19:23:54 <yokken> WPA CHALLENGE RECEIVED
May 04 19:23:55 <yokken> D:
May 04 19:24:18 <halfhalo> Hey!
May 04 19:24:29 <yokken> connected to hotspot with pre
May 04 19:24:33 <halfhalo> Kismac works!
May 04 19:24:36 <yokken> yeah it does
May 04 19:24:38 <yokken> sometimes
May 04 19:24:38 <yokken> lol
May 04 19:24:40 <PuffTheMagic> god damn rain
May 04 19:24:40 <PuffTheMagic> i was all ready to go do a quick 9 holes
May 04 19:24:40 <PuffTheMagic> go in my basement to get my clubs
May 04 19:24:40 <PuffTheMagic> come out and you cant see accross the street cause of the rain and hail
May 04 19:24:46 <yokken> HI PUFFTHEMAGIC
May 04 19:26:13 <yokken> yeahhhhhhhhhhhh 400mb wordlist
May 04 19:26:15 <yokken> LEZ DO THIS
May 04 19:26:30 <halfhalo> I have a 20GB/s wordlist someone
May 04 19:26:32 <halfhalo> no dupes
May 04 19:26:32 <yokken> just got a message from sprint
May 04 19:26:41 <yokken> sprintfreemsg:
May 04 19:26:47 <yokken> GET THE NEW FREE NASCAR APP HERP DERP
May 04 19:26:50 <halfhalo> ha
May 04 19:27:01 <yokken> my friends generated their own rainbowtables a few years back
May 04 19:27:04 <yokken> took up like 5 DVDs
May 04 19:27:43 <halfhalo> I had a trial version of the cuda/opencl wep/wpa2 app a while back
May 04 19:27:50 <yokken> this is one big-ass wordlist, shit
May 04 19:27:53 <halfhalo> that think flied
May 04 19:28:00 <yokken> and actually i think it's like... 300mb compressed, and since it's all text... fuck lol
May 04 19:28:06 <yokken> holy shit
May 04 19:28:13 <yokken> CUDA/OpenCL password cracking
May 04 19:28:18 <yokken> my GTX260 would tear that shit up
May 04 19:28:23 <ytz> boosh
May 04 19:31:30 <chrisa> No rumors making my stock go up randomly anymore
May 04 19:31:33 <chrisa> Checking google is less fun
May 04 19:31:44 <halfhalo> hah
May 04 19:51:17 <halfhalo> blarg
May 04 20:04:40 <mikewx> it seems radio shack is blowing out touchstones for $20
May 04 20:04:43 <mikewx> for any who need~
May 04 20:05:28 <nt4cats> $20?  Hmmm, that's tempting
May 04 20:05:39 <halfhalo> yeah, got one yesterday
May 04 20:05:52 <halfhalo> And two car chargers
May 04 20:06:02 <mikewx> i have 2 kits on hold at the $20 misprice
May 04 20:06:05 <mikewx> picking them up after work
May 04 20:06:06 <halfhalo> but no wall chargers, which is really what I needed
May 04 20:06:27 <mikewx> halfhalo: http://www.usb-charger.mobi/
May 04 20:06:55 <halfhalo> meh, broke right now
May 04 20:07:14 <halfhalo> blew all my petty cash this month at radioshack
May 04 20:08:33 <nt4cats> halfhalo: you're a college student, right?
May 04 20:08:38 <halfhalo> si
May 04 20:09:26 <nt4cats> your petty cash should be going towards alcohol and loose [wo]men.  That is what college is for.
May 04 20:09:52 <nt4cats> classes are just reserved periods of time used for sobering up
May 04 20:09:55 <halfhalo> Don't drink, and don't need money for the women
May 04 20:10:40 <nt4cats> I wasn't advocating direct payments to the women ... but sometimes you should take a girl to the movies or somesuch
May 04 20:11:12 <yokken> hai
May 04 20:11:27 <halfhalo> Hah, suuure
May 04 20:15:55 <PuffTheMagic> nt4cats direct payment is worth it
May 04 20:19:39 <oil> lol
May 04 20:25:06 <Mark_M> Has anyone tried to mound a WebDAV drive from within WebOS?
May 04 20:28:18 <PuffTheMagic> Mark_M: yup
May 04 20:28:22 <PuffTheMagic> didnt work so wekk
May 04 20:28:23 <PuffTheMagic> well
May 04 20:28:25 <PuffTheMagic> well
May 04 20:28:30 <PuffTheMagic> i was using davfs
May 04 20:28:41 <PuffTheMagic> but i couldnt really keep a connection alive over evdo
May 04 20:28:47 <PuffTheMagic> too many timeouts
May 04 20:28:59 <PuffTheMagic> might have been a bug in davfs
May 04 20:28:59 <Mark_M> PuffTheMagic, So do you blame the connection?
May 04 20:29:08 <PuffTheMagic> not sure
May 04 20:29:35 <PuffTheMagic> i could have been the implementation
May 04 20:29:41 <Mark_M> I was thinking of using it to mount my SkyDrive and manipulating files with Internalz
May 04 20:29:45 <PuffTheMagic> i didnt try curl's dav support
May 04 20:31:10 <Mark_M> That's an option too
May 04 20:32:10 <PuffTheMagic> i mean... to rule out it being a connection issue
May 04 20:32:30 <Mark_M> You didn't try it with WiFi then?
May 04 20:33:17 <PuffTheMagic> dont remember
May 04 20:34:37 <Mark_M> I'm going to give them a try and see how they work...or don't work.
May 04 20:34:58 <Mark_M> It would be nice to use the extra storage in the cloud
May 04 20:35:25 <Mark_M> I could access most of my music and all of my active data and documents
May 04 20:35:52 <Mark_M> mount it as /media/internal/cloud or something
May 04 20:44:51 * nt4cats will be back later tonight
May 04 21:13:13 <rwhitby> Well, it seems that both myself and PreCentral have been threatened with legal action over the whole SPK deal.
May 04 21:13:29 <idontwan2know> oh lord
May 04 21:13:31 <mikewx> spk?
May 04 21:13:46 <mikewx> sorry i'm slow isn't that the unofficial plugin kit?
May 04 21:13:52 <bpadalino|work> super pre kernel
May 04 21:13:56 <mikewx> oh
May 04 21:14:02 <halfhalo> wow
May 04 21:14:08 <halfhalo> wtf
May 04 21:14:13 <mikewx> how exactly to they threaten you with legal action for using GPL code?
May 04 21:14:31 <rwhitby> mikewx: apparently it is a verbal threat of a harrassment suit
May 04 21:14:39 <mikewx> hrm
May 04 21:14:42 <halfhalo> From caj?
May 04 21:14:43 <idontwan2know> lol
May 04 21:14:53 <idontwan2know> I would LOVE to see him try that
May 04 21:15:18 <mikewx> this brings to light a big problem with our legal system, you don't have to be wrong to loose, just poor.
May 04 21:15:23 <idontwan2know> "Your honor, these guys were harassing me by pointing out facts that I didn't want revealed."
May 04 21:16:18 <idontwan2know> and this despite the fact that nobody has mentioned yet that his distribution of SPK was illegal
May 04 21:16:33 <halfhalo> Hah, I see he is no longer on caj
May 04 21:17:19 <halfhalo> wait, meant no longer on pc
May 04 21:18:52 <yokken> hai
May 04 21:21:44 <idontwan2know> at any rate, nothing to worry about
May 04 21:22:16 <idontwan2know> our legal system may be screwed up, but not so bad that posting objective facts in a public forum constitutes "harassment"
May 04 21:22:55 <halfhalo> Now, see, if you had the money you could take him to the cleaners
May 04 21:23:29 <Tibfib> hah! so he's taking you to court for "harassment"?
May 04 21:23:31 <VincentLaw> rwhitby: is he going to fly to Australia to sue you? :P
May 04 21:23:50 <jacques> drama troll
May 04 21:24:10 <jacques> oops, now he'll probably sue me
May 04 21:24:19 <Tibfib> redact it, redact it!
May 04 21:25:04 <idontwan2know> jacques: he's trying to make taking SPK down into an act of noble sacrifice when in reality he couldn't get anyone to update it and was vulnerable to legal action for not being open source compliant
May 04 21:26:23 <VincentLaw> is there a link to the dramathread?
May 04 21:26:24 <jacques> idontwan2know: well, in this country, when you're in the wrong, sue!
May 04 21:26:28 <VincentLaw> I want to eat some drama
May 04 21:28:30 * oilsworkn struggles to breathe while laughing too hard at lawsuit
May 04 21:28:43 <idontwan2know> it's spread through a bunch of different threads, unfortunately
May 04 21:28:57 * halfhalo wants to see the actual threat paper thingie
May 04 21:29:29 <rwhitby> halfhalo: there is no such thing - just a verbal threat
May 04 21:30:11 * oilsworkn thinks rwhitby should just respond with the telephone number of his lawyer
May 04 21:30:31 <idontwan2know> rwhitby: at this point I think you are completely justified in putting the whole story out there, at least as it relates to why SPK was taken down
May 04 21:30:53 <idontwan2know> so people can see that caj made his own bed and you have nothing to do with it
May 04 21:32:15 <halfhalo> Oh.  Then just send back your glad to go to court.  AND glad to have him pay your lawyer expenses when he loses both his lawsuit and the one you are going to file as a countersuit for violating GPL
May 04 21:32:35 <rwhitby> idontwan2know: no, I think I will be taking the silent approach from here.  It will save me having to answer any question about SPK at least.
May 04 21:32:45 * halfhalo got another e3 email.... ffff
May 04 21:33:03 <idontwan2know> rwhitby: you're a better man than I am, then
May 04 21:34:14 <PuffTheMagic> yeah this lawsuit deal is funny
May 04 21:34:32 <PuffTheMagic> internet tempertantrum
May 04 21:35:16 <EvanDotPro> rwhitby: i didn't have nearly as much time to play with it as i wanted to last week, but i did get a tiny start: http://preware.org/new/webos/
May 04 21:35:41 <EvanDotPro> (yeah just a blank screen, heh)
May 04 21:36:19 <jacques> anyone else getting connection refused to kernel.org ?
May 04 21:36:59 <sbromwich> jacques: www.kernel.org WFM
May 04 21:37:18 <sbromwich> oh hang on
May 04 21:37:25 <sbromwich> there must be a round robin with a dead server
May 04 21:37:30 <jacques> ah
May 04 21:37:40 <sbromwich> keep hitting reload and it'll get there, I was just lucky first time round
May 04 21:37:45 <jacques> well since the POS firewall here caches bad DNS entries
May 04 21:37:50 <jacques> I am SOL
May 04 21:38:53 <sbromwich> there's 2 dns entries in a round robin, shift-reload should force a request to the other one with any luck?
May 04 21:39:33 <jacques> unless you are behind a nassty DNS cache
May 04 21:39:56 * jacques has shift-reloaded many times
May 04 21:40:14 <sbromwich> bummer :-/
May 04 21:40:44 <sbromwich> does www.geo.kernel.org work?
May 04 21:40:49 <jacques> sbromwich: hmm, I just did "dig kernel.org" and went to the first IP address and it worked
May 04 21:40:52 <Marajin> ... google goggles frightens me
May 04 21:41:16 <VincentLaw> google goggles is the most awesome thing ever
May 04 21:41:27 <VincentLaw> and it needs to be developed to work with everything
May 04 21:41:30 <jacques> google goggles seems rather arbitrary to me
May 04 21:41:46 <jacques> tho it did work really well on a book barcode
May 04 21:41:55 <VincentLaw> I want to be able to point my camera at anything and have it identify it
May 04 21:41:59 <jacques> everything else we tried produced hilarious responses
May 04 21:42:10 <VincentLaw> plants, animals, hell even people >.>
May 04 21:42:41 <jacques> imagine the stalking potential :-|
May 04 21:43:04 <Marajin> VincentLaw: It's cool, but shit, something that can know where I am, what direction I'm facing and then look at what I point it at and recognize barcodes and logos and text?
May 04 21:43:09 <VincentLaw> fo srs! it'll give you the person's phone number, and with a tap it will call them AND modulate your voice so they don't know who you are
May 04 21:43:29 <Marajin> I showed it my business card, It googled me, my job title and my company name
May 04 21:43:58 <VincentLaw> next they should tie it into wolfram alpha
May 04 21:44:08 <VincentLaw> imagine taking a picture of one of your old math tests
May 04 21:44:10 <jacques> I don't suppose goggles is coming to webos as far as anyone knows?
May 04 21:44:13 <VincentLaw> and having it give you the answer
May 04 21:44:37 <jacques> pre camera is crap at macro tho
May 04 21:44:42 <Marajin> VincentLaw: Heh :p it's not far from doing that
May 04 21:44:42 <jacques> pixi camera is much better
May 04 21:44:49 * uNiXpSyChO is totally BS
May 04 21:44:52 <Marajin> and jacques yeah it's awful at macro, I'm using an Xperia X10 to do that
May 04 21:45:00 <Marajin> which apparently has a bloody awesome autofocus
May 04 21:45:16 <VincentLaw> yeah macro sucks, can't take pics of those box barcodes, q-code or whatever its called
May 04 21:46:15 <bpadalino|work> qr codes
May 04 21:46:50 <VincentLaw> rwhitby: he probably withdrew his threat when he realized how hard it would be to actually sue you in the first place :P
May 04 21:52:19 * uNiXpSyChO WTF!
May 04 21:53:12 <sbromwich> did I break git again?
May 04 21:53:30 <oilsworkn> hey DieterBohn
May 04 21:53:44 <uNiXpSyChO> no i think i broke it
May 04 21:53:46 <DieterBohn> howdy howdy
May 04 21:53:55 <halfhalo> What is this, the gathering of the threatened to be sued?
May 04 21:53:59 <uNiXpSyChO> and what brings Dieter here tonight?
May 04 21:54:09 <oilsworkn> lawyers?
May 04 21:54:16 * sbromwich is mildly surprised to be innocent of git breakage, for once :-)
May 04 21:54:28 <DieterBohn> oh, you know, I'm lonely.
May 04 21:54:33 <oilsworkn> lol
May 04 21:54:45 * uNiXpSyChO Dieter knows something....he should spill it!
May 04 21:54:53 <halfhalo> doitdoitdoit
May 04 21:55:04 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: bobafett is out just for you
May 04 21:55:17 <oilsworkn> you and your horrible names
May 04 21:55:34 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO is the one to blame there :-)
May 04 21:55:35 <uNiXpSyChO> only the Empire names for me!
May 04 21:55:43 <oilsworkn> thats who i was talking to
May 04 21:55:46 <oilsworkn> :)
May 04 21:56:19 <DieterBohn> I am confident that nothing will be amiss - nothing to worry about
May 04 21:56:37 <VincentLaw> so DieterBohn: you excited as I am about 4G in cinci? :P
May 04 21:57:09 <chrisa> I guess if you live in Cinci you have to be excited about _something_
May 04 21:57:14 * chrisa is from Columbus
May 04 21:57:19 <DieterBohn> I'll be excited about 4G on Sprint once I see it work reliably. For now, I'm tentatively excited, but man oh man the OverDrive is a terrible device
May 04 21:57:23 <Rick_work> DieterBohn  I'm excited about a webOS HP Slate...   I'm getting very very excited about it.
May 04 21:57:33 <halfhalo> bbiab home time
May 04 21:57:50 <VincentLaw> DieterBohn: haha, wouldn't know. I'm excited cause I'm getting the EVO :P
May 04 21:57:50 <Tibfib> HPalm slate for the win!
May 04 21:58:03 <VincentLaw> yes I know, traitor, etc
May 04 21:58:07 * oilsworkn would have to see how it looks on a tablet before passing judgement
May 04 21:58:08 <EdLin> traitor
May 04 21:58:13 <oilsworkn> as the mockups obviously aren't final
May 04 21:58:19 <chrisa> HP claims they'll buy us, the merge won't be final for months and people are excited by a product
May 04 21:58:22 <oilsworkn> vertical cards with a horizontal screen, psh
May 04 21:58:55 <VincentLaw> maybe they'll actually give the cards names on the slate. like the Ace of Spades will be your browser
May 04 21:58:57 <VincentLaw> >.>
May 04 21:58:58 <VincentLaw> <.<
May 04 21:59:26 <EdLin> VincentLaw: no, that's the SamsungOS Blackjack tablet.
May 04 21:59:34 <VincentLaw> oic
May 04 21:59:52 <EdLin> (I was about to say WinMo Samsung Blackjack, but a WinMo tablet is too horrid to contemplate.)
May 04 22:00:02 <VincentLaw> also I was disappointed with Engadget's old review of the Pre Plus running 50 apps. they should have gone for 52, then they could have made a joke about a full deck and 52 card pickup
May 04 22:00:31 <EdLin> groan
May 04 22:00:34 <VincentLaw> EdLin: that depends on which winmo. 7 is amazing.
May 04 22:00:47 <EdLin> VincentLaw: 7 is as limited as iPhoneOS < 4
May 04 22:01:10 <VincentLaw> not quite, it does zune pass. that's huge for me
May 04 22:01:14 <EdLin> it's less buggy and prettier out of the box though, at least I hope.
May 04 22:01:21 <EdLin> VincentLaw: my sympathies.
May 04 22:01:56 <jacques> oh, EVO is windows not android?
May 04 22:02:03 <EdLin> EVO is Android
May 04 22:02:13 <jacques> ah OK :-)
May 04 22:02:17 <EdLin> I'm waiting for the 4G WebOS phone.
May 04 22:02:44 <jacques> dunno why I care - AFAIK there is no sprint 4g in my area
May 04 22:02:56 <chrisa> 4G seems like an odd thing to target for any hardware manufacturer
May 04 22:03:03 <Tibfib> I just want the next palm device... don't care about 4g
May 04 22:03:13 <chrisa> Very limited coverage, smallest network (losing subscribers), no changce at usefulness outside the states
May 04 22:03:16 <EdLin> jacques: it does have a big display, but you can get the same hardware for less without 4g if you get the N1.
May 04 22:03:48 <EdLin> chrisa: WiMax is available frequently in other countries, just not as a cell phone network.
May 04 22:04:06 <chrisa> WiMax is a funny technology that hasn't really gone anywhere
May 04 22:04:10 <chrisa> So far at least
May 04 22:04:21 <EdLin> it's very similar to LTE really.
May 04 22:04:36 <jacques> I thought the display was bigger/higher res than the n1 ?
May 04 22:04:37 <EdLin> so much so that you could use the same towers for either.
May 04 22:04:52 <jacques> I do have a n1 - got it free at CELF ELC
May 04 22:04:58 <jacques> it's a fun toy
May 04 22:05:24 <jacques> but android is no webos :-)
May 04 22:05:31 <EdLin> I have played with the Android and the WebOS emulators before I got my Pre, and as far as the OS goes, WebOS is much nicer.
May 04 22:06:00 <EdLin> Palm just needs better hardware.
May 04 22:06:08 <loot_> hardwares fine
May 04 22:06:15 <loot_> 1ghz cpus are stupid for phones right now
May 04 22:06:17 <chrisa> Nah, Android has a leg up on a few system level things too
May 04 22:06:18 <EdLin> loot_: it is, if you haven't had issues.
May 04 22:06:20 <loot_> until they reduce the size of batteries
May 04 22:06:21 <chrisa> Like init
May 04 22:06:23 <rwhitby> Speaking of hardware, I'm expecting to recieve a second broken Pre today :)
May 04 22:06:38 <loot_> lol nice
May 04 22:06:40 <chrisa> But android's user layer is a bit lacking if you ask me
May 04 22:06:47 <EdLin> rwhitby: making a collection?
May 04 22:06:51 <jacques> chrisa: I totally agree
May 04 22:07:02 <jacques> the n1 is *fast* tho
May 04 22:07:13 <loot_> 1ghz is silly
May 04 22:07:17 <jacques> why?
May 04 22:07:19 <loot_> OH WOW GUYS MY PHONE IS FAST... aww its dead
May 04 22:07:24 <jacques> battery life of the n1 seems as good as my pre
May 04 22:07:29 <loot_> haha yea right
May 04 22:07:33 <rwhitby> EdLin: going to be experimenting with swapping around internal boards and making the software realise that it has happened.
May 04 22:07:36 <loot_> my boss has an n1 and he barely gets 8 hours out of his
May 04 22:07:37 <EdLin> my Pre is 800MHz, and it is faster than 1GHz snapdragon at that speed because of OMAP's greater efficiency.
May 04 22:07:58 <rwhitby> EdLin: it's part of my quest for an unlocked GSM Palm Pre Plus with QWERTY keyboard and .eu 3G bands.
May 04 22:08:02 <chrisa> Ok, I work on one of the two phones being discussed and even I think when we get to these arguments no one wins
May 04 22:08:05 <EdLin> rwhitby: hah
May 04 22:08:19 <rwhitby> Palm doesn't seem to want to build such a thing for me, so I need to make one myself.
May 04 22:08:36 <oilsworkn> lol
May 04 22:08:43 <jacques> rwhitby: you are hard core
May 04 22:08:46 <EvanDotPro> rwhitby: i'll be thoroughly impressed if you pull that off.
May 04 22:08:57 <loot_> if?
May 04 22:08:59 <loot_> :P
May 04 22:09:05 <EvanDotPro> i mean, when... of course.
May 04 22:09:13 <loot_> i bet he's sitting there with a multimeter right now waiting for the mail to show up
May 04 22:09:32 <oilsworkn> lol
May 04 22:09:35 <EvanDotPro> hahaha
May 04 22:09:49 <rwhitby> EvanDotPro: I just need some more practice at removing the keyboard sticky layer from the slider assembly before I try it on a real working device.
May 04 22:10:05 <EdLin> playing with his VOM and watching his occilliscope traces
May 04 22:10:24 <EvanDotPro> rwhitby: maybe i should just send you my Sprint Airave and we can rig the gps recieve to get fake coordinates. :-p
May 04 22:10:45 <EvanDotPro> although then it's no better than a home phone.
May 04 22:10:50 <rwhitby> I believe I can just take the middle slider assembly (with the keyboard attached) and replace it out, keeping the omap and comms boards paired.
May 04 22:10:53 <EvanDotPro> plus 1x only.
May 04 22:11:18 <EdLin> EvanDotPro: at home you can use wifi
May 04 22:11:19 <rwhitby> the only problem is getting to the screws which hold the omap board to the slider assembly without removing the keyboard sticky later
May 04 22:11:30 <EvanDotPro> EdLin: ah yeah wifi for data, duh.
May 04 22:11:52 <EvanDotPro> rwhitby: ah yeah... probably best that you're trying with broken devices, heh.
May 04 22:13:48 <rwhitby> EvanDotPro: well, the first broken device I got now boots to Linux - it just doesn't have a working LCD.
May 04 22:14:23 <rwhitby> the second one is supposed to have just stopped booting, with no physical or water damage, so I expect I will get another complete working device out of this
May 04 22:14:30 <EvanDotPro> rwhitby: that's what mouser.com is for ;)
May 04 22:14:50 <rwhitby> EvanDotPro: heh - haven't seen a Pre screen for sale outside of China yet :)
May 04 22:15:13 <EvanDotPro> well, i was thinkign more of just a generic lcd that could be duct-taped on :-p
May 04 22:16:25 <EvanDotPro> rwhitby: you should rig it up with crazy things like this... http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/NKK-Switches/IS15DSBFP4RGB/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMt7dcPGmvnkBs4RqGE9qq4yRazbWmK7rIU%3d
May 04 22:16:33 <EvanDotPro> eh, shoulda shortened that.
May 04 22:16:47 <EvanDotPro> use that puppy for battery level :-p
May 04 22:17:13 <EvanDotPro> create a pre...nkenstein...
May 04 22:18:23 <rwhitby> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwhitby/420848340/in/set-72157594574977123/ was my testbench when playing around with the OpenMoko phones
May 04 22:18:53 <EvanDotPro> dang, that's a tiny workbench area... poor guy.
May 04 22:19:27 <BeeRad> How is everybody today?
May 04 22:21:47 <rwhitby> BeeRad: hey
May 04 22:22:20 <rwhitby> EvanDotPro: oh, that's not the area in which I do stuff - that was the automated remote access to the phone setup
May 04 22:22:47 <EvanDotPro_Pre> ohhh haha okay. that's better :p
May 04 22:25:00 <beelzabub> rwhitby: how'd the battery benchmarks go?
May 04 22:25:07 <beelzabub> did the pcrm fix make a difference?
May 04 22:25:44 <rwhitby> beelzabub: I haven't put it in yet.  wanted to get the stable kernel released, and then will put that one in testing, so we can compare the two
May 04 22:26:13 <beelzabub> cool
May 04 22:27:53 <BeeRad> rwhitby: When will you guys start on Pixi overclock?
May 04 22:29:54 <oc80z> heh
May 04 22:30:04 <oc80z> apple has to change its SDK to avoid anti-trust
May 04 22:30:48 <rwhitby> BeeRad: dunno.  I wouldn't hold my breath.  None of us have a Pixi, and I would need a Pixi Plus here to even start developing.
May 04 22:31:47 <EvanDotPro_Pre> oc80z: yeah lol my boss came in my office this morning asking what all that meant cause he has like $20k in apple stock... I was like, "basically it means Apple is being Apple"
May 04 22:31:51 <chrisa> If you want to speed pixi up your best bet will be to solder in at least 32MB of additional ram and adjust the kernel mapping to handle it
May 04 22:31:58 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Hmmmmmm..... ok.
May 04 22:33:10 <zsoc> chrisa++;
May 04 22:33:35 <BeeRad> I came from the BlackBerry camp so the form factor is dear to my heart. I wish the Pixi was still called the EOS and it had beefier specs. I really like it.
May 04 22:33:47 * zsoc wants a pixi-like device with a bigger, better res screen, wifi, and decent amounts of ram/cpu speed
May 04 22:35:24 <oc80z> hahah EvanDotPro
May 04 22:35:27 <jacques> pixi only has 128MiB RAM ?
May 04 22:35:53 <jacques> or it needs more than pre ?
May 04 22:36:11 * oc80z flamed the ZumoDrive post
May 04 22:36:17 <BeeRad> I thought Pixi had 256?
May 04 22:36:28 <halfhalo> zumowhat post?
May 04 22:37:24 <chrisa> Pixi shares its memory between both apps and modem processors
May 04 22:37:29 <oc80z> The ZumoDrive post on precentral.net
May 04 22:38:01 <oc80z> the chinese intelligence file backup server , for free!
May 04 22:38:26 <jacques> chrisa: aaah, yeah I remember now - that was mentioned at dev days
May 04 22:39:42 * halfhalo still wants a pixi plus….
May 04 22:40:01 <BeeRad> ditto
May 04 22:40:31 <EvanDotPro_Pre> is wirc on our webos-internals git? (i'd check but I'm driving)
May 04 22:40:50 <oilsworkn> it is
May 04 22:41:00 <halfhalo> Shenanigains
May 04 22:41:25 <oilsworkn> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=summary
May 04 22:41:40 <oilsworkn> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/wIRCd.git;a=summary
May 04 22:41:42 <EvanDotPro_Pre> thanks oilsworkn
May 04 22:41:44 <halfhalo> That link gave me a virus
May 04 22:41:52 <halfhalo> OF FUN!
May 04 22:41:59 * rwhitby bbl
May 04 22:42:04 <oilsworkn> wIRC: so awesome it gives you viruses?
May 04 22:42:28 <halfhalo> yes?
May 04 22:42:34 <EvanDotPro_Pre> I wanna add the ability to add additional nicks for it to highlight (maybe it has it and I didn't see?)
May 04 22:43:15 <EvanDotPro_Pre> (i just decided this while driving, so I haven't actually looked yet lol)
May 04 22:43:41 <oilsworkn> EvanDotPro_Pre: thats already on the todo
May 04 22:43:53 <oilsworkn> the current workaround, is to add multiple nicks you want to trigger on into the nick list
May 04 22:44:06 <oilsworkn> like you got EvanDotPro_Pre, add EvanDotPro, and itl alert on that
May 04 22:44:12 <oilsworkn> (though, its entirely possible thats not in 004)
May 04 22:44:37 <zsoc> oilsworkn: i don't think it is
May 04 22:44:52 <EvanDotPro_Pre> oilsworkn: hmm, I better not try too intently to mess with that till I'm not going 70mph on the freeway.
May 04 22:45:28 <oilsworkn> freeway is the best place
May 04 22:45:29 <oilsworkn> no stops
May 04 22:45:34 <oilsworkn> xD
May 04 22:45:41 <halfhalo> but those damn curves...
May 04 22:46:04 * oilsworkn spend the afternoon redoing his graphing class again
May 04 22:46:09 <oilsworkn> well, part of it
May 04 22:46:09 <EvanDotPro_Pre> this is the only channel I don't get "omg you're doing irc while driving?!"
May 04 22:46:13 <oilsworkn> testing it in the browsa
May 04 22:47:59 <oilsworkn> my graphing code gets better each time i rewrite it xD
May 04 22:50:28 <hmagoo> you're not 70mph in reverse are ya?
May 04 22:50:48 * halfhalo can only hit 50 in reverse
May 04 22:50:59 <oc80z> im all set with that company
May 04 22:51:07 * beelzabub can only hit kids in reverse
May 04 22:51:43 <halfhalo> Ohhhh, one of those newer cars that likes to deploy the airbags alot?  Yeah, mine doesn't have that
May 04 22:52:02 <halfhalo> Actually, I don't think it has airbags.  To go along with its non-existant brakes
May 04 22:52:06 <EvanDotPro_Pre> halfhalo: no, we have this stupid wreckless endangerment law here in AZ that requires we drive forward on the freeway.
May 04 22:56:53 <beelzabub> what a backwards country
May 04 22:58:39 <steve_> hi all, im trying to install preware on my mac. when i click to install it gives me an error message. cananyone help?
May 04 22:58:57 <oilsworkn> well, preware is for webos, not macos
May 04 22:59:09 <oilsworkn> oh, WITH your mac
May 04 22:59:13 <steve_> yup
May 04 22:59:27 * oilsworkn doesn't know much about installers on mac
May 04 22:59:29 <halfhalo> Ok, what error message are you getting?
May 04 22:59:30 <oilsworkn> but whats the error?
May 04 23:00:02 <steve_> one sec
May 04 23:02:55 <steve_> it gave me an error message when i clicked on it the first time, now it just opens and closes right away in the toolbar..
May 04 23:03:10 <steve_> dont recall exactly what it said the first time
May 04 23:03:55 <oilsworkn> hm
May 04 23:04:23 <steve_> im thinkin it might have something to do w the fact that im running tiger and it may not be compatable
May 04 23:04:45 <halfhalo> wait, what are you using to install preware with.. Webos Quick Install or something else?
May 04 23:06:24 <steve_> im trying to follow the instructions onthe preware install page...downloaded webos doctor then preware installer
May 04 23:06:52 <oilsworkn> preware installer is still supported?
May 04 23:06:57 <zsoc> preoccupied: 0.5.9 is pushed, should build in < 15. This is likely the beta version of the service. Please test all methods of flow an try to get it to hang.
May 04 23:07:08 <halfhalo> Theres a preware installer?
May 04 23:07:08 <zsoc> preoccupied: i'll be back in an hour or so
May 04 23:07:32 <halfhalo> steve_:  Do you have the latest java version?
May 04 23:07:50 <steve_> yup im on 5
May 04 23:08:08 <PrimerFender> Steve, use this: http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/228310-webos-quick-install-v3-12-a.html
May 04 23:08:31 <PrimerFender> And the latest version of Java for Mac is 1.6, but only available for 64bit Intel processors
May 04 23:08:33 <halfhalo> Isn't Java 6 out… or am I thinking of the sdk...
May 04 23:08:45 <halfhalo> sdk/jdk/pineappl
May 04 23:09:05 <PrimerFender> ...running Snow Leopard
May 04 23:09:21 <steve_> alright ill give quick install a shot thx
May 04 23:09:47 <PrimerFender> I have had success with that on an Intel Core Duo MacBook Pro w/Leopard and latest 1.5 Java
May 04 23:10:55 <steve_> yeah im thinkin all my problems stem from using an ancient machine lol
May 04 23:11:37 <steve_> or at least an ancient os
May 04 23:16:03 <dtzWill> $20 touchstone+cover http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3997358&siteID=lw9MynSeamY-Je9QzzrxxqUI6B8.6uKKCQ
May 04 23:16:06 <dtzWill> just sayin' :)
May 04 23:16:15 <halfhalo> yeah, got one
May 04 23:17:02 <dtzWill> apparently no cover, sorry. i was misinformed :)
May 04 23:17:06 <JackieRipper> That looks like it's just the puck, not the cover
May 04 23:17:09 <JackieRipper> heh
May 04 23:17:16 <dtzWill> JackieRipper: yeppers sorry :)
May 04 23:17:19 <halfhalo> No, they have the one with the cover for the same price
May 04 23:17:23 <halfhalo> I got one yesterday
May 04 23:17:54 <JackieRipper> dtzWill: no worries... still a good deal
May 04 23:29:09 <oilsworkn> canvas.globalCompositeOperation = 'destination-out'; not supported! curses!
May 04 23:31:36 <mumbles> any of the wircd developers about?
May 04 23:31:57 <halfhalo> Possibly...
May 04 23:32:45 <oilsworkn> those wircd developers are lazy
May 04 23:32:51 <halfhalo> I KNOW!
May 04 23:33:05 <oilsworkn> note the difference between wircd and wirc
May 04 23:33:33 <halfhalo> Their all lazy, both wirc and the service
May 04 23:33:42 <oilsworkn> bah
May 04 23:33:43 <mumbles> trying to get the wircd pacakge to install off quickinstall i can download the wircd ok but when i try and install i get. error,  an error occured return value:4 cannot find package us.ryanhope.wircd.
May 04 23:33:47 <oilsworkn> i been workin on the frontend
May 04 23:33:59 <oilsworkn> its the backend guys who are doing school and stuff
May 04 23:34:10 <oilsworkn> mumbles: that makes no sense
May 04 23:34:27 <mumbles> yes i know.
May 04 23:35:55 <mumbles> it downlaods to the pc and wont install to the pre
May 04 23:36:14 <halfhalo> try installing it via preware?
May 04 23:36:20 * oilsworkn really isn't sure what to say
May 04 23:36:53 * halfhalo for once doesn't blame oilsworkn
May 04 23:37:01 * oilsworkn marks calendar
May 04 23:40:28 * mumbles installes preware
May 04 23:41:00 <oilsworkn> preware is pretty cool
May 04 23:41:08 <halfhalo> meh
May 04 23:41:09 <mumbles> cant belelve i dident think of that
May 04 23:41:18 <oilsworkn> i suggest preware alpha
May 04 23:42:00 * mumbles keeps on thinking that i should of got an iphone. then stuff like this happens and i remember why i didient
May 04 23:43:01 <oilsworkn> stuff like what?
May 04 23:43:35 <mumbles> not being able to install stuff having help to work out how
May 04 23:44:24 <oilsworkn> and palm doesn't think we're criminals for wanting to do what we want with our devices :)
May 04 23:44:46 <mumbles> yeh.
May 04 23:45:28 <chrisa> oilsworkn: at least as far as you know
May 04 23:45:31 * chrisa updates the case file
May 04 23:45:51 * oilsworkn runs!
May 04 23:46:06 * halfhalo gets into his getaway car
May 04 23:46:21 <mumbles> sigh. its still downloading feed information
May 04 23:46:30 * oilsworkn gest ran over by halfhalo in all the exitement
May 04 23:46:52 <oilsworkn> mumbles: it does take a little bit to download them
May 04 23:48:23 <mumbles> now its loading
May 04 23:48:37 <oilsworkn> yay
May 04 23:49:39 <oilsworkn> when the main scene shows up
May 04 23:49:43 <oilsworkn> just type wirc and press enter
May 04 23:50:16 <oilsworkn> and ofcourse, preware supports dependencies, so installing wirc will install wircd on its own
May 04 23:50:16 <mumbles> will do. do we still need to isntall the other bit?
May 04 23:50:27 <oilsworkn> the other bit?
May 04 23:50:55 * oilsworkn is off work now, and is going to leave
May 05 00:01:47 <yokken> oh hey I'm on my pre to collect IVs for WEP breakage
May 05 00:01:55 <halfhalo> nice
May 05 00:02:23 <yokken> lol hi halfhalo
May 05 00:02:54 <mumbles> weee it workes
May 05 00:06:42 <PuffTheMagic> hey guys
May 05 00:06:53 <PuffTheMagic> Radio Shack has touchstones with backplaces for $19
May 05 00:07:05 * PuffTheMagic just got 2
May 05 00:07:09 <Tilton53> o.o
May 05 00:07:10 <Tilton53> WF
May 05 00:07:12 <Tilton53> seriously?
May 05 00:07:14 <Tilton53> WTF*
May 05 00:07:15 <PuffTheMagic> no joke
May 05 00:07:19 <Tilton53> I need a new backplate
May 05 00:07:26 <PuffTheMagic> my brother got 3
May 05 00:07:27 <PuffTheMagic> lol
May 05 00:07:27 <Tilton53> Apparently I have cracked mine in half
May 05 00:07:42 <halfhalo> lol
May 05 00:07:43 <PuffTheMagic> they have both the one with and without backplate
May 05 00:07:46 <PuffTheMagic> for 19
May 05 00:07:56 <halfhalo> yeah, got the one with backplate yesterday
May 05 00:07:58 <PuffTheMagic> so get the one with backplate
May 05 00:08:02 <Tilton53> I guess I hold my phone too tight
May 05 00:08:04 <Tilton53> :/
May 05 00:09:36 <Tilton53> so does this have the cover?
May 05 00:09:37 <Tilton53> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3997358
May 05 00:10:06 <halfhalo> dont think so
May 05 00:10:25 <zsoc> Tilton53: no, that's just the dock
May 05 00:10:36 <Tilton53> damnit I need the back
May 05 00:10:38 <Tilton53> I have three docks
May 05 00:10:45 <zsoc> Tilton53: the one that comes with the backplate probably isn't on the website (if less than 1500 stores have it in stock)
May 05 00:10:49 <halfhalo> They have the back instore for the same price
May 05 00:10:57 <halfhalo> I got it for 20 at my local store
May 05 00:11:16 <Tilton53> :/
May 05 00:11:24 <Tilton53> guess I will be visitng a store then tomorrow
May 05 00:11:35 <jhojho_> rwithby btw I think preware *is* responsible for the weird unlock screen (bottom gradient disappears). just put preware on the pre plus yesterday and started getting it. was fine before.
May 05 00:11:41 <halfhalo> heh, sending my back to rod if he still wants it this weekend
May 05 00:12:06 <Tilton53> the only thing holding my back together now is the touchstone sticky sticker inside
May 05 00:12:07 <Tilton53> XD
May 05 00:12:29 <jhojho_> what's the process for getting from preware to preware alpha ? maybe I'll try preware alpha out..
May 05 00:12:56 <zsoc> jhojho_: it's pretty much amazing
May 05 00:13:02 <Tilton53> jhojho you install the testing feed
May 05 00:13:21 <Tilton53> then install Preware Alpha from within preware
May 05 00:13:33 <Tilton53> when you're done you will have two preware icons
May 05 00:13:35 <jhojho_> possible to toss preware after installing preware alpha?
May 05 00:13:40 <Tilton53> the normal preware and the alpha
May 05 00:13:42 <Tilton53> I guess
May 05 00:13:52 <Tilton53> but it's just as easy to move the extra icon somewhere
May 05 00:14:07 <Tilton53> just incase the alpha gets broken some how
May 05 00:14:34 <mumbles> nope. that dident work. no wircd
May 05 00:14:43 <jhojho_> well not sure if it's preware or package manager service breaking things.
May 05 00:16:50 <zsoc> Anyone play Demon's Souls for PS3?
May 05 00:18:34 <jwm> sony :(
May 05 00:27:41 <Lumiere_> jhojho_: don't bother removing preware once alpha is installed... at some point preware alpha -> preware 1.0
May 05 00:28:03 <Lumiere_> and upgrading preware to 1.0 and removing alpha is where you'll go
May 05 00:32:40 <mjkjr|wirc> rwhitby, one of the tweets from 2 hrs ago shocked me
May 05 00:35:14 <rwhitby> mjkjr|wirc: indeed
May 05 00:35:29 <rwhitby> halfhalo: yep, still want those backs :0
May 05 00:36:27 <rwhitby> jhojho: installing preware alpha removes the java service
May 05 00:36:52 <rwhitby> jhojho: let me know if it still occurs with preware alpha and *very* *few* feeds enabled (i.e. less than 500 packages total)
May 05 00:37:35 <mjkjr|wirc> rwhitby, that wasn't on p|c was it?
May 05 00:37:49 <rwhitby> mjkjr|wirc: the verbal threat has apparently been withdrawn
May 05 00:38:04 <bpadalino> it's now being written in the sand
May 05 00:38:12 <rwhitby> mjkjr|wirc: all related posts on precentral have apparently been deleted
May 05 00:38:13 <mjkjr|wirc> silly
May 05 00:38:43 <preoccupied> zsoc: update didn't work for precorder...
May 05 00:38:46 <bpadalino> he should hire skywriters to issue the threat instead
May 05 00:38:51 <preoccupied> zsoc: and it wasn't open before i did the update....
May 05 00:39:50 <zsoc> preoccupied: odd, i fixed all of those problems :/ and i tested them thoroughly
May 05 00:40:41 <preoccupied> zsoc: weird. maybe something's messed up with my pre. i'll do a reinstall
May 05 00:41:33 <scoutcamper> hi all
May 05 00:41:56 <preoccupied> zsoc: ok....it's not installing, really weird
May 05 00:42:09 <preoccupied> zsoc: using preware alpha, btw
May 05 00:42:17 <zsoc> preoccupied: nah, same issue as last time
May 05 00:42:22 <zsoc> preoccupied: the .fuse crap being stuckl
May 05 00:42:42 <preoccupied> zsoc: ok, i'll reboot & remove then
May 05 00:42:48 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: dude
May 05 00:42:58 <PuffTheMagic> why are u using those shitty ass small buttons
May 05 00:43:10 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: everyone likes them but you
May 05 00:43:16 <PuffTheMagic> do u have a stylus with a heat tip that use?
May 05 00:43:19 <mjkjr|wirc> lol
May 05 00:43:21 <PuffTheMagic> they like them?
May 05 00:43:26 <PuffTheMagic> they have no  other options to compare to
May 05 00:43:30 <PuffTheMagic> besides that shitty text box
May 05 00:43:47 <PuffTheMagic> how about 1 normal button for record
May 05 00:43:51 <PuffTheMagic> and change it to stop
May 05 00:43:53 <PuffTheMagic> while recording
May 05 00:43:57 <PuffTheMagic> no need for all thes buttons
May 05 00:44:03 <PuffTheMagic> that are 5mm wide
May 05 00:44:32 <PrimerFender> I have a drawer in my closet full of buttons
May 05 00:44:37 <PuffTheMagic> i mean u could fit all the prefs on the main screen
May 05 00:44:47 <PuffTheMagic> make the source a toggle button
May 05 00:44:55 <PuffTheMagic> and have 1 record/stop button
May 05 00:45:20 <PuffTheMagic> u can do this in ares in 5 min
May 05 00:45:26 <PuffTheMagic> look 1000 times better
May 05 00:45:48 <preoccupied> zsoc: i can find larger versions of those buttons if you need it
May 05 00:47:00 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: dont hate
May 05 00:47:00 <bpadalino> someone should make a patch that takes a picture when you shake the phone .. no buttons required
May 05 00:47:02 <mjkjr|wirc> I think they work fine and precorder is the best voice recorder for webos
May 05 00:47:37 <PuffTheMagic> well of couse non of you will complain because it works
May 05 00:47:43 <PuffTheMagic> but since i sorta have helped with this
May 05 00:47:47 <PuffTheMagic> i can complain all i want
May 05 00:47:51 <PuffTheMagic> :D
May 05 00:48:01 <preoccupied> brb 15 mins
May 05 00:48:18 <PrimerFender> bpadalino, wouldn't the pictures come out all blurry?
May 05 00:48:24 <bpadalino> PrimerFender: details, details
May 05 00:48:25 <zsoc> mjkjr|wirc: I believe its.. the only one?
May 05 00:48:28 <bpadalino> no buttons!!
May 05 00:48:42 <PrimerFender> maybe a 1 sec delay when you stop shaking
May 05 00:48:45 <mjkjr|wirc> I know zsoc and it's the best
May 05 00:48:51 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: you have pretty much /ignored/ any interest in the process past the service part. It's rather bold of you to want to jump into the userspace of the app at this point.
May 05 00:51:20 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: it hasnt been time to worry about the gui
May 05 00:51:27 <PuffTheMagic> have been helping u get the service into shape
May 05 00:51:30 <PuffTheMagic> now that is done
May 05 00:51:39 <PuffTheMagic> its time to crack whip on the gui
May 05 00:54:40 <PrimerFender> Does anybody know anything about WebDAV? The lighttpd in Preware leaves much to be desired, but I am unsure as how to go about trying Apache on a Pre...
May 05 00:54:47 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: and i have made comments about the gui all along
May 05 00:54:57 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: fork it :p
May 05 00:55:25 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: The point is, it's in full working state now. I'm going to fix the icon and support scene, a few more installs/uninstalls/upgrades, and push it beta
May 05 00:55:30 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: then the GUI can become priority
May 05 00:55:50 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: I want everyone's opinion on the GUI, not just the 3 people talking about it in here
May 05 00:55:56 <chrisa> Which app are we talking about now?
May 05 00:56:03 <PrimerFender> The other benefit to have seperate buttons is you can isolate functions/commands while you are debugging
May 05 00:57:05 <zsoc> chrisa: my voice recorder/ringtone maker
May 05 00:57:14 <zsoc> chrisa: and by 'my' i mean webos-internal's
May 05 00:57:59 <zsoc> preoccupied_wirc: you are an addict
May 05 00:58:28 <preoccupied_wirc> zsoc: lol getting there.
May 05 00:58:42 <zsoc> bpadalino: the idea of taking picture without opening any app that makes it obvious you are taking a picture is... spurious
May 05 00:58:47 <zsoc> bpadalino: i like it
May 05 00:58:53 <zsoc> bpadalino: also, precorder takes a picture each time you launch it
May 05 00:59:01 <preoccupied_wirc> zsoc: can you get tab completions in wirc?
May 05 00:59:20 <zsoc> preoccupied_wirc: gesture+option
May 05 01:00:16 <preoccupied_wirc> zsoc: thanks. although it's pretty useless for your nick
May 05 01:02:14 <zsoc> preoccupied_wirc: i concur
May 05 01:03:00 <preoccupied_wirc> dood this thing is sweet. mad props to whoever wrote it :)
May 05 01:03:46 <preoccupied_wirc> zsoc: restart fixed the fuse issue
May 05 01:03:56 <joshua> I think in japan they even had a low that said all phone cameras have to make a flash noise that you can't disable cause people were taking upskirt pics on the train
May 05 01:04:03 <zsoc> preoccupied_wirc: it always does
May 05 01:04:25 <zsoc> preoccupied_wirc: i'm hoping that your old prerm script is what caused it, i have to test some more installs over current installs
May 05 01:04:50 <zsoc> joshua: there's no 'law' in america but there's plenty of pressure. Most new phones don't have the option to turn it off.
May 05 01:06:32 <preoccupied_wirc> zsoc: but I removed the whole directory last time. wouldn't that delete the prerm script?
May 05 01:07:44 <zsoc> preoccupied_wirc: nono, i mean the prerm script on the version you have being older and not including the proper methods i added later
May 05 01:09:36 <jhojho_> I just want a button that will take timelapse pictures.
May 05 01:09:56 <zsoc> jhojho_: i could add that to the script in about 8 minutes
May 05 01:10:16 <preoccupied_wirc> zsoc: alright..makes sense. lemme know if you need further testing.
May 05 01:10:36 <zsoc> jhojho_: if the PDK end up sandboxing out gst access, i'll probably make this app service a super-service to support multiple gstreamer based apps
May 05 01:10:49 <jhojho_> zsoc: you would be the man. i've been wanting a dedicated button in the photo app that will just keep taking pix every x seconds
May 05 01:11:10 <zsoc> jhojho_: it's built into the camera driver, literally
May 05 01:11:47 <jhojho_> zsoc: I was messing with luna-send a while ago to see if I could get the app to take a picture via commandline but never got anywhere.
May 05 01:11:55 <jhojho_> so if you got further. that's aweseom
May 05 01:12:01 <jhojho_> awesome even
May 05 01:12:08 <zsoc> jhojho_: oh, you dont need luna send. just use gst-launch
May 05 01:12:30 <jhojho_> never looked at that...
May 05 01:13:04 <jhojho_> zsoc: any particular invocation?
May 05 01:13:51 <zsoc> jhojho_: yes, a very particular one, lol
May 05 01:16:31 <jhojho_> zsoc: gst-launch camsrc ! src_still   then what?
May 05 01:18:04 <preoccupied> zsoc: hmmm....luna restart trying to do media capture
May 05 01:18:18 <PreGame> anyone here use gity?
May 05 01:18:19 <preoccupied> zsoc: probably not related tho
May 05 01:19:51 <zsoc> jhojho_: er, not quite. honestly i'd have to think about the time lapse part, would probably involve a small script. but the pipeline is probably closer to camsrc ! jpegenc ! filesink location= ...
May 05 01:19:56 <zsoc> preoccupied: you are just breaking things now
May 05 01:21:20 <zsoc> jhojho: also there's some proprietary stuff involved.. it might be palmjpegenc or similar... 'gst-inspect' will give you a list of valid elements, and gst-inspect <element> will give you details about it's usage
May 05 01:21:31 <preoccupied> zsoc: seems to be working now lol
May 05 01:21:55 <preoccupied> zsoc: and it's fast! nice job haha
May 05 01:22:19 <preoccupied> zsoc: i'm betting it's the "djsh" commit that fixed this problem :)
May 05 01:22:21 <zsoc> preoccupied: the kill switch is completely fixed, thanks to one of puff's good ideas
May 05 01:22:33 <zsoc> preoccupied: haha, no that's all garbage, ignore it :p
May 05 01:22:53 <zsoc> preoccupied: most recent commit fixed everything
May 05 01:23:06 <preoccupied> zsoc: ok, great
May 05 01:24:11 <preoccupied> zsoc: some coder has a sense of humor... ninja_killa_hax lol
May 05 01:24:53 <jhojho_> zsoc: i'll take a look
May 05 01:25:02 <jhojho_> looks like jpgenc does not exist
May 05 01:27:41 <zsoc> jhojho_: like i said, prolly palmjpegenc or pmjpegenc if i recall.. try something like gst-inspect | grep -i jpeg
May 05 01:28:08 <jhojho_> there is jpegenc
May 05 01:28:24 <jhojho_> but still trying to figure out the syntax
May 05 01:28:38 <jhojho_> how to differentiate between src and src_still for camsrc
May 05 01:29:20 <halfhalo> This is a small router
May 05 01:30:17 <zsoc> jhojho_: does it matter? oh it might.. if it's a pad you can uh.. hmm.. i haven't used gst-launch in awhile.... i think it's something like 'camsrc .src_still'
May 05 01:30:30 <zsoc> the dot might be at the end, not the beginning, unsure
May 05 01:31:01 <jhojho_> i'm trying    gst-launch camsrc ! jpegenc ! filesink=foo.jpg
May 05 01:31:20 <jhojho_> but get WARNING: erroneous pipeline: link without sink element
May 05 01:34:41 <zsoc> jhojho_: syntax of filesink is 'filesink location=/media/internal/foo.jpg'
May 05 01:38:04 <jhojho_> zsoc: trying this now. gst-launch camsrc ! palmjpegencfilesink name=/media/internal/foo.jpg
May 05 01:38:22 <jhojho_> got further but get ERROR: from element /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstV4l2Src:v4l2src0: gst_pad_alloc_buffer_and_set_caps failed
May 05 01:38:28 <zsoc> needs a !
May 05 01:38:39 <jhojho_> ? where?
May 05 01:38:49 <zsoc> jhojho_: oh, you probably need manual caps between camsrc ! ... ! palmjpegenc
May 05 01:38:52 <zsoc> where the ... is
May 05 01:39:02 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Question....
May 05 01:39:36 <jhojho_> zsoc: well. looking at gst-inspect nothing jumps out at me.
May 05 01:39:45 <rwhitby> BeeRad: yes ...
May 05 01:39:59 <jhojho_> looking at the OLPC wiki. I see   "gst-launch-0.10 v4l2src ! ffmpegcolorspace ! pngenc ! filesink location=foo.png"
May 05 01:40:12 <jhojho_> but there is no ffmpegcolorspace
May 05 01:40:16 <jhojho_> on the pre
May 05 01:40:19 <zsoc> jhojho_: like uh... image/jpeg,width=640,height=480
May 05 01:40:50 <zsoc> jhojho_: you don't need it, camsrc is palm patched, and palmjpegenc is palm patched, so they use the same colorspace
May 05 01:40:50 <BeeRad> rwhitby: So I added your add/delete pages patch. Awesome btw. Do the new pages remain no matter what or do they get deleted after an update?
May 05 01:42:01 <rwhitby> BeeRad: they remain
May 05 01:42:12 <rwhitby> they are kept in your palm profile
May 05 01:42:39 <jhojho_> zsoc. ah I see...
May 05 01:42:41 <BeeRad> rwhitby: <3 Thats so great. Thanks.
May 05 01:42:45 <jhojho_> okay. trying nowing
May 05 01:42:47 <jhojho_> now
May 05 01:42:58 <rwhitby> BeeRad: that was like one of the very first patches ever created :)
May 05 01:42:59 <jhojho_>  gst-launch camsrc ! image/jpeg,width=640,height=480 ! palmjpegencfilesink name=/media/internal/foo.jpg
May 05 01:43:16 <jhojho_> doh. WARNING: erroneous pipeline: could not link v4l2src0 to /media/internal/foo.jpg
May 05 01:43:32 <zsoc> jhojho_: you need a ! between palmjpegenc and filesink
May 05 01:43:56 <BeeRad> rwhitby: haha Funny. It should have been my first, but its the most recent and probably one of the best. Simple yet VERY effective.
May 05 01:44:01 <jhojho_> zsoc: there's actually an element called palmjpegencfilesink
May 05 01:44:13 <zsoc> jhojho_: oh.. hmm.. that's interesting.
May 05 01:44:28 <jhojho_> yeah. that's why I was trying it out
May 05 01:44:32 <rwhitby> BeeRad: and I didn't find the technique, I just turned it into a patch
May 05 01:44:45 <zsoc> jhojho_: 1 sec
May 05 01:45:24 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Takes two to tango?
May 05 01:45:44 <zsoc> jhojho_: it claims the caps are incompatible, lemme check what it accepts
May 05 01:46:29 <zsoc> jhojho_: oh, it takes video/x-raw-yuv, heh
May 05 01:47:09 <jhojho_> o i see
May 05 01:48:28 <zsoc> jhojho_: drop the caps, use the right syntax: gst-launch camsrc ! palmjpegencfilesink location=/media/internal/foo.jpg
May 05 01:48:32 <zsoc> that seems to work
May 05 01:49:30 <jhojho_> doesnt work for me
May 05 01:49:42 <jhojho_> still get ERROR: from element /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstV4l2Src:v4l2src0: gst_pad_alloc_buffer_and_set_caps failed
May 05 01:50:47 <bpadalino> interesting fact: wargames came out on june 6th as well
May 05 01:50:51 <bpadalino> such an amusing movie
May 05 01:50:56 <halfhalo> heh
May 05 01:51:03 <halfhalo> Why is this router such a pain
May 05 01:51:48 <halfhalo> oh wth
May 05 01:51:56 <zsoc> jhojho_: v4l2src0_0x73348_src_still_0x740d0 -> palmjpegencfilesink0_0x76038_sink_0x74190 [label="video/x-raw-yuv\n format=(fourcc)UYVY\n width=(int)2048\n height=(int)1536\n angle=(int)270
May 05 01:52:04 <halfhalo> I have to do some crazy hacking thing to get dd-wrt running on it?
May 05 01:52:07 <zsoc> jhojho_: that's the debug on how mediaserver /actually/ does it when you take a picture with the camera app
May 05 01:52:53 <jhojho_> zsoc: this is what I was just trying
May 05 01:52:54 <jhojho_> gst-launch camsrc ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=2048,height=1536 ! palmjpegencfilesink location=/media/internal/foo.jpg
May 05 01:53:01 <zsoc> jhojho_: so, that would make the caps something like ...!video/x-raw-yuv,format=UYVY,width=2048,height=1536,angle=270 !...
May 05 01:53:09 <jhojho_> guess I can specify the format and angle too
May 05 01:53:19 <zsoc> jhojho_: not sure if the format and angle are important, you may need them
May 05 01:53:45 <zsoc> jhojho_: considering this is /very/ abnormal, and plugins are doing the job of base gstreamer methods, which is very very bad form on palm's part
May 05 01:54:27 <zsoc> jhojho_: you have to understand, gst-launch is actually a debugging utility, it's a gstreamer application made to help you debug pipelines before/during/while you're making your own gstreamer application, it's not made to be a stand alone solution to anything
May 05 01:54:37 <jhojho_> k
May 05 01:54:43 <zsoc> jhojho_: but for some things it does work, or at least proves things are possible
May 05 01:54:58 <jhojho_> well doing this gst-launch camsrc ! video/x-raw-yuv,format=UYVY,width=2048,height=1536,angle=270 ! palmjpegencfilesink location=/media/internal/foo.jpg
May 05 01:55:04 <zsoc> jhojho_: if that still doesn't work, try forcing the src_still pad
May 05 01:55:09 <jhojho_> results in WARNING: erroneous pipeline: could not link v4l2src0 to palmjpegencfilesink0
May 05 01:55:30 <jhojho_> no go with gst-launch camsrc .src_still ! video/x-raw-yuv,format=UYVY,width=2048,height=1536,angle=270 ! palmjpegencfilesink location=/media/internal/foo.jpg
May 05 01:55:33 <zsoc> jhojho_: first try camsrc takepicture=true
May 05 01:55:43 <zsoc> s/takepicture/take-picture/
May 05 01:55:43 <infobot> zsoc meant: jhojho_: first try camsrc take-picture=true
May 05 01:56:08 <jhojho_> nope
May 05 01:56:31 <jhojho_> no go with camsrc .src_still take-picture=true either
May 05 01:59:20 <preoccupied> zsoc: i've pretty much tested everything. no other visible bugs. nice job!
May 05 01:59:35 <zsoc> preoccupied: good
May 05 01:59:44 <halfhalo> good times…. Cant use internets while flashing new router
May 05 01:59:48 <jhojho_> that's odd. the pipeline launched when I did not specify the format and angle
May 05 02:00:06 <zsoc> jhojho_: haha, well there you go, got a picture?
May 05 02:00:19 <jhojho_> no
May 05 02:00:33 <jhojho_> what I meant is when I did not specify the format and angle,
May 05 02:01:03 <jhojho_> I get https://pastee.org/uccz2
May 05 02:02:06 <jhojho_> but I specify format+angle
May 05 02:02:09 <jhojho_> I get
May 05 02:02:23 <jhojho_> https://pastee.org/en4t
May 05 02:03:03 <zsoc> jhojho_: want more pipeline info?
May 05 02:03:20 <jhojho_> sure
May 05 02:05:55 <zsoc> jhojho_: bah, the palm specific stuff is a mess
May 05 02:06:13 <jhojho_> looks like it.
May 05 02:06:19 <jhojho_> grr.
May 05 02:06:43 <jhojho_> it looks like it is possible but not sure why it's behaving this way
May 05 02:06:49 <zsoc> jhojho_: you're better off just installing the plugin that includes jpegenc
May 05 02:07:02 <zsoc> jhojho_: it's behaving that way because it's made to work in 1 very specific situation
May 05 02:07:07 <jhojho_> adding format and angle params should not cause the pipeline linking to fail
May 05 02:07:36 <zsoc> jhojho_: well, technically palmjpegencfilesink only accepts width and height, and nothing else
May 05 02:07:44 <zsoc> jhojho_: it's made to be part of a larger pipeline, with a video encoder, and a few tees...
May 05 02:08:08 <zsoc> it's suppose to drop in and out of a bin to work in tandem with the video recorder, it's a terribly design imo
May 05 02:09:23 <jhojho_> I have no opinion on the design =)
May 05 02:09:36 <jhojho_> I just want to be able to capture an image via command line.
May 05 02:09:40 <jhojho_> meh
May 05 02:10:05 <zsoc> jhojho_: it would be easier if their design wasn't so unorthodox ;)
May 05 02:10:21 <zsoc> jhojho_: well, camera api is coming in the fall?
May 05 02:10:37 <zsoc> jhojho_: i could do it, honestly i'm not sure if it's worth the effort atm, i don't know exactly what i'm looking it
May 05 02:10:44 <zsoc> jhojho_: you may just have to add jpegenc and it'll probably be fine
May 05 02:13:27 <jhojho_> zsoc: meaning compile and add or is there something already in preware?
May 05 02:14:10 <halfhalo_T400> I managed to kill every router in my house while working on a local one... wth
May 05 02:14:17 <jhojho_> lol
May 05 02:14:49 <halfhalo_T400> Why is this dlink such a pain... with my linksys ones, its a two step process to dd-wrt
May 05 02:14:55 <halfhalo_T400> Not so much with this dlink
May 05 02:14:56 <zsoc> jhojho_: uh.. i have one laying around in my gentoo chroot
May 05 02:15:06 <zsoc> jhojho_: but yes, it would involve finding where it's including, and compiling it
May 05 02:15:23 <zsoc> jhojho_: ACTUALLY, it might be in widk
May 05 02:15:55 <jhojho_> widk another thing I have never touched
May 05 02:16:04 <jhojho_> widk = why, i dont know
May 05 02:16:20 <jhojho_> just popped into my head.
May 05 02:16:41 <jhojho_> too hungry to consider taking this further.
May 05 02:36:54 <zsoc> hm... i am only "ok" with my new icon...
May 05 02:36:57 <zsoc> preoccupied: opinion?
May 05 02:37:25 <zsoc> preoccupied: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/precorder.git;a=blob;f=icon.png;h=d556cf1dc769585e7165a68ecded6490b16210bf;hb=f82103544389cdc0bdae631fb705ca7422b909af
May 05 02:37:33 <zsoc> it looks better actually on a launcher imo
May 05 02:38:11 * rwhitby likes it
May 05 02:38:23 * oil thinks its better then j ust his face
May 05 02:38:49 <zsoc> hooray for positive reponses
May 05 02:39:13 <zsoc> rwhitby: so uh.. now that the app isn't broken, can you 1.) play with it, and 2.) help me figure out why 'upgrades' break it? I'm sure it's more fail on my part with prerms/postinsts
May 05 02:39:17 <rwhitby> yeah, the addition of the mic makes it a useable icon
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