**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 05 02:59:56 2010 May 05 03:08:13 zsoc|away: like the icon, nice! May 05 04:30:09 zsoc|away: delayed but <3 the new icon too :) May 05 04:30:41 mic makes all the difference, although still tiny bit of wtf with trololo but that's part of its harm :D May 05 04:30:48 s/harm/charm/ May 05 04:30:49 dtzWill meant: mic makes all the difference, although still tiny bit of wtf with trololo but that's part of its charm :D May 05 04:34:32 are the 800mhz ipks links down? May 05 04:35:47 JamesBaud: no, the Uber-Kernel is available in Preware as usual May 05 04:36:06 ok, thank you May 05 04:50:59 I'm confused...why is there a 1.4.2 placeholder for virtual keyboard available in preware? May 05 04:52:02 with a date of 4/3? May 05 05:40:28 wow: http://forums.precentral.net/2423524-post344.html May 05 05:41:35 hard words May 05 05:41:56 what a fight because of some free overclocking kernels.... May 05 05:42:56 it's great that someone so vehemently defending free speech is also defending someone who verbally threatened myself and PreCentral with legal action over postings on PreCentral ... May 05 05:43:18 what was it about the legal actions? May 05 05:43:31 what were the points of it? May 05 05:43:56 The maintainer of SPK verbally threatened myself and PreCentral with legal action for harrassment over postings on PreCentral. May 05 05:44:31 The threat was withdrawn shortly after I posted a tweet about it. May 05 05:45:12 hm, harassment, seems a bit ego-centric the guy? May 05 05:45:58 I won't answer that, lest I be accused of harassment ... May 05 05:46:25 right May 05 05:46:26 moin May 05 05:46:30 moin May 05 05:47:48 btw: rwhitby, I tried to create a patch file for the calendar css, which are in DOS line endings on my Pre, I can't get the patch file working, I copy a fresh file from the Pre, make the diff and the patch file works locally, but not on the device. Any ideas? May 05 05:48:15 Will try it with linux now (but need to doctor my phone before, I broke my calendar...) May 05 05:49:07 The combination of my own backup tool and Save/Restore makes the doctoring quite easy nowadays. May 05 05:53:35 MetaView: are you interested in adding scripts to Save/Restore ? May 05 05:54:18 MetaView, thats probably a good plan. May 05 05:55:09 rwhitby: I have to... May 05 05:55:29 should have a look into save/restore soon May 05 06:23:14 hm, I forgot to save my ssh key. May 05 06:23:36 this will bring me headaches to restore it again May 05 06:24:30 rwhitby: save/restore lloks quite easy to add, or? just the script and it will do everything on its own? amazing May 05 06:24:40 MetaView: yep May 05 06:25:11 would be cool, if save/restore could save my ssh-key-db next time :D May 05 06:25:43 MetaView: the one restriction is that the script needs to be associated with an installed package appid May 05 06:29:12 hm, ok May 05 07:18:07 MetaView: so solution clearly is for us to create a ssh-key package and a save/restore script for it ;) May 05 07:45:18 dtzWill, I never found any code for the FAToverlayFS. went looking for that yesterday. May 05 07:50:16 . May 05 07:57:33 ka6sox-away: http://sourceforge.net/projects/fatoverlayfs/develop (browse or svn co) May 05 07:57:49 ka6sox-away: had me going for a second, could've sworn i'd SEEN the code before but was baffled for a bit haha :) May 05 08:02:46 okay me too...this is a different page. May 05 08:06:09 I wonder how bad pytoc would kill this. May 05 08:06:11 :D May 05 09:45:34 o hay May 05 10:11:18 hey May 05 10:11:35 hey May 05 10:18:48 i have a webos quickinstall erro since now May 05 10:18:53 cant install May 05 10:18:55 anything May 05 10:18:57 it says me May 05 10:19:13 connection refused May 05 11:26:01 uNiXpSyChO: Is uber 1.4.1-16 ready for alpha testing? May 05 11:29:27 uNiXpSyChO: We now have the ability to display a changelog when you click on the kernel package. Is "Improved screenstate transition detection" the right changelog for 1.4.1-16 ? May 05 11:54:52 rwhitby: was there some mention of a "bleeding edge" version too? May 05 11:55:45 I'd be interested in more feedback on the wfi thing to see if anyone sees any change in battery life May 05 12:08:24 sbromwich: yep, we've got a psycho-kernel in the works - do you want a bromo-kernel too? May 05 12:10:46 sure, I get PMs intermittently asking me how to install it so it'd be nice to point them at something they can just install OTA reasonably safely May 05 12:24:50 rwhitby: I saw a post in the preware thread about com.palm apps (email/messaging/phone) closing when installing apps. I see that fairly frequently, and I think I can reproduce it. Do you have any idea where I should look to capture logs that might help troubleshoot the problem? May 05 12:25:26 drnull1: capture /var/log/messages, and the output from dbus-util --capture May 05 12:25:58 sbromwich: do you just want a single bromo-kernel, or do you want to name them functionally? May 05 12:27:24 rwhitby: that patch i uploaded is a bad workaround till i can get the real touchstone patch working. May 05 12:27:52 uNiXpSyChO: bad compared to current, or bad compared to future awesome one? May 05 12:28:05 unfortunately I still cant tell if a touchstone is attached reliably. May 05 12:28:50 uNiXpSyChO: do you want any feedback on it, or are you saying don't even release it to testing feed? May 05 12:28:56 rwhitby: bad as in it doesnt really fix problems with users with LCD screen settings being too low but fixes inverted CPU speed. May 05 12:29:16 rwhitby: I'll try to recreate it with those caps running. I'd imagine /var/log/messages has some sensitive info... best recommendation for censoring it? May 05 12:29:53 rwhitby: yeah release it. cant be as bad as the 1st release ;-) May 05 12:30:23 drnull1: actually the dbus output is probably more sensitive than messages, especially if you do any app catalog operations, since it will show your meid and auth tokens May 05 12:32:28 uNiXpSyChO: so if users have their LCD settings above a certain value, is it a good patch then? May 05 12:33:52 rwhitby: all right, got it. It happens on the first install after a luna restart from preware. I guess I should verify that it doesn't happen from app-catalog installs. May 05 12:36:31 rwhitby: yes. hopefully. cant tell what other weird things people do with their phones. May 05 12:36:53 uNiXpSyChO: ok, that's a good enough progressive improvement story for a release May 05 12:37:36 uNiXpSyChO: are you in a position to test a built -16 kernel in the next 15 mins? May 05 12:39:55 rwhitby: sure. let me know where the package is... getting ready for work. May 05 12:40:14 uNiXpSyChO: it will be in the testing feed, not the webos-kernels feed May 05 12:40:50 just doing an install test myself before pushing it out May 05 12:41:28 is it built? May 05 12:41:37 on my local machine, yes. May 05 12:42:14 at least it built... not saying you might not get a looping kernel ;-) May 05 12:42:16 and it has a nice in-app documentation and changelog now too when you click on the kernel :) May 05 12:42:33 guess we'll find out now - rebooting May 05 12:42:36 darn. now i have to be more descriptive. May 05 12:43:36 glowing. that's a good sign. May 05 12:45:37 booted May 05 12:53:32 oh, look at that, my GSM Pre wants to update to 1.4.1 again May 05 12:58:38 bummer, I didn't get a chance to test kernel OTA May 05 13:04:18 uNiXpSyChO: -16 is in the testing feed now May 05 13:07:11 rwhitby: it work ok for you? May 05 13:07:26 uNiXpSyChO: seems to May 05 13:07:45 haven't done any real testing on it, but it boots and switches from 500 to 800 May 05 13:08:36 * uNiXpSyChO is stewing... i predict a nuke going off in P|C today... and I am launching it. May 05 13:09:27 where's it targeted? May 05 13:14:54 rwhitby prechess now in git May 05 13:23:02 oh good, luna crashed when I put it on the touchstone. I was afraid I might get 3 days of uptime out of it May 05 13:23:35 i havent had one lune crash since 1.4.1.1 update May 05 13:23:35 ;D May 05 13:25:11 en0x: has your phone been on since the update? :P May 05 13:25:49 i maybe restarted it twice to turn dev mode to install some beta apps which i'm testing May 05 13:26:08 and that's all May 05 13:26:15 no single crash before i used to get 10 a day May 05 13:26:16 :p May 05 13:38:16 en0x: are you running Preware or Preware Alpha ? May 05 13:39:48 rwhitby: alpha only May 05 13:40:15 en0x: how many total packages available in our enabled feeds? May 05 13:40:22 s/our/your/ May 05 13:40:22 rwhitby meant: en0x: how many total packages available in your enabled feeds? May 05 13:40:39 lemme check May 05 13:41:29 available applications = 699 May 05 13:42:00 I think running preware alpha, and keeping your available applications below 1K might be the key to success May 05 14:20:46 rwhitby: just the cumulative of everything so far... I've been running all those patches on my phone for the last day or so OK May 05 14:21:29 sbromwich: so the bromo-kernel-pre then? May 05 14:21:39 (or do you have another nickname you'd prefer to use) May 05 14:21:52 anyone able to grab the com.palm.pandora ipk url for me? my vzw pre is blocking free apps May 05 14:21:52 homo-kernel-pre May 05 14:21:52 ;d May 05 14:22:27 is there a patch to be able to toggle the clock on/off when on a touchstone? May 05 14:23:09 rwhitby: sbromwich-kernel-pre might be easier for people to understand May 05 14:23:35 otherwise I can imagine questions about "what is bro-mo?", etc May 05 14:24:57 sbromwich: ok May 05 14:28:36 sbromwich: look in preware/build.git/nonworking/sbromwich-kernel-pre/Makefile May 05 14:29:34 sbromwich: when you've got it ready for alpha testing, just git mv that directory from nonworking to testing. May 05 14:29:48 the autobuilder will do the rest May 05 14:30:18 ok May 05 14:41:30 Has anyone updated the uber-kernel from the testing feed? May 05 14:41:50 rwhitby: I am severely sleep deprived ATM, would you mind double checking it before I try git mv? May 05 14:41:58 it worked for me, but I always like to get an independent verification before I sleep May 05 14:42:04 sbromwich: sure, remind me tomorrow :) May 05 14:42:19 ok May 05 14:44:19 updating now May 05 14:46:10 installed, phone restart required... rebooting May 05 14:46:39 sbromwich: thanks, that's all I need to see :) May 05 14:46:42 night May 05 14:47:03 * phil_bw yawns May 05 14:47:12 mornin everybody May 05 14:47:42 Linux palm-webos-device 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 Wed May 5 13:02:08 UTC 2010 armv7l unknown May 05 14:47:52 night rwhitby, morning phil_bw May 05 14:49:28 sooo, what's new? May 05 14:55:46 hi phil_bw May 05 14:56:14 hello May 05 15:16:41 so is it safe to update the uber-kernel now or should it still be removed and reinstalled? May 05 15:16:54 D: did it get an update!? May 05 15:17:55 yes in the testing feeds so only if you want to alpha test May 05 15:22:04 ~seen rwhitby May 05 15:22:08 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals #oe #meego #nslu2-linux. Has said a total of 357 messages. Is idling for 35m 25s, last said: 'night'. May 05 15:22:36 ~botsnack May 05 15:22:37 mjkjr|wirc: thanks May 05 16:29:49 ~botsnack May 05 16:29:50 nt4cats: :) May 05 16:46:36 Hi all--i wonder if anyone could answer a quick question as I'm about to get a replacement Pre: Can i just copy palmdatabase from the old phone and install it on the new one after completing basic Palm startup steps? I've done this with no problems after doctoring on the same phone but see talk that it doesn't work on a different phone. Thanks! May 05 16:49:25 :/ May 05 16:49:32 Thunderbird crashed mah computer May 05 16:52:44 hi May 05 16:52:54 hi May 05 16:52:56 hi palm May 05 16:53:22 hey how are you May 05 16:53:35 I use your phone, I'm fine May 05 16:54:02 cool i sell the pre on mexico May 05 17:09:38 hrmm has anybody goten flac working on the Pre May 05 17:09:51 I know there was a group working on it earlier May 05 17:10:17 yes I do. May 05 17:10:26 in my debian chroot, though May 05 17:10:30 damn May 05 17:10:30 :/ May 05 17:10:32 not with the std media player. May 05 17:10:39 I was hoping native support May 05 17:10:51 i try to leave the native stuff alone, build my one-offs in my debian chroot May 05 17:11:04 I understand May 05 17:11:12 But there's always WebDr May 05 17:11:13 XD May 05 18:50:06 * nt4cats yawns May 05 18:50:48 yeah. May 05 19:04:41 yawns too May 05 19:06:29 hello? May 05 19:07:24 hello May 05 19:07:38 hello? I have a question May 05 19:07:57 shoot maybe somebody will have an answer May 05 19:08:30 asdf May 05 19:08:40 rwhitby` / uNiXpSyChO / oil May 05 19:08:54 ? May 05 19:09:05 New uber seems to be monitoring screenstate a bit more accurately, but i had a hell of a time getting the governor list to populate May 05 19:09:23 ok, UberCalendar patch submitted May 05 19:09:43 would click on governor, then when i hit the the governor dropdown in the governor settings scene, it wouldn't populate May 05 19:09:52 and was just a solid bar May 05 19:10:08 opened and closed govnah a couple times, and then it populated as expected May 05 19:10:23 this was fairly soon after a battery pull, so that may be related, but figured i'd mention it May 05 19:10:28 ok well I went to where I bought my palm pre yesterday and he showed me how to put preware on it bcuz its cricket and I can't download apps well kids got a hold od my phone and it got deleted from the launcher how do I get it back May 05 19:11:31 well it takes a second for the service to respond with the list of governors May 05 19:11:38 when you get to that scene just give it a second xd May 05 19:11:51 im just TOO fast O_o May 05 19:12:03 * oil contemplates putting a spinner May 05 19:12:13 +1 May 05 19:12:30 spinners are so 1999; put in a throbber May 05 19:12:36 jojo_: you have to reinstall it... May 05 19:12:46 jacques thats what she said May 05 19:12:46 jojo_: if it's not in the launcher then it probably got deleted May 05 19:13:19 I tried that its not workin for me tho May 05 19:18:39 any other advice? May 05 19:33:00 just tried reinstalling didn't work May 05 19:41:19 FuMan: was it running at 125Mhz or something? May 05 19:44:22 folks, how do I upgrade that free verizon pre plus I got at the dev days conference to 1.4.1.1 ? May 05 19:45:52 doctor May 05 19:46:08 which doctor image ? does it matter ? May 05 19:46:19 is there one specifically for Verizon ? May 05 19:46:41 hmm, on second thought - there is a slip of paper in the goodie bag which has instructions for upgrading developer devices May 05 19:47:20 bhuey: did you read this? http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2051&Itemid=21 May 05 19:47:23 yeah, there was but i don't have it in front or me May 05 19:47:36 no May 05 19:48:06 basically, palm says "doctor, then run the activation bypass tool" May 05 19:48:18 ok May 05 19:48:28 which doctor image ? is there one specifically for verizon ? May 05 19:48:31 or you could use meta-doctor to achieve same result (and more) May 05 19:48:44 meta-doctor ? May 05 19:48:46 yes there is a specific one May 05 19:48:47 never heard of that May 05 19:48:54 well, is there a page to that stuff ? May 05 19:49:02 I doctor it no problem May 05 19:49:07 I *can doctor it no problem May 05 19:49:31 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions May 05 19:50:27 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor May 05 19:50:43 is that page out of date ? May 05 19:51:14 what with that comment about it not hosting stuff as f march about ? May 05 19:51:49 where? May 05 19:51:58 top of the page May 05 19:52:06 NOTE: Since March 18th 2010, the Palm servers are no longer hosting old WebOSDoctor versions via the links below. The current versions are still available. May 05 19:52:21 you don't care about the old doctor versions May 05 19:52:24 you want the latest 1.4.1.1 May 05 19:53:08 right May 05 19:53:23 I'm downloading it now, but that comment is confusing May 05 19:54:46 Oh look, someone to anwser all your questions! May 05 19:55:00 shhh, "the man" just arrived May 05 19:56:00 "the man"? Chris de Burgh? May 05 19:57:43 /msg RamsesFSFE A corporate bigwig from palm May 05 19:59:01 Oh? I thought it was McGruber... May 05 19:59:50 hey all May 05 19:59:59 do i ask questions about preware errors here? May 05 20:00:10 (revealing my advanced age) the name "Adora" makes me think of "Endora" from "Bewitched" (a 60's show I watched in re-runs as a kid) ... so when "Adora" shows up I envision this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Agnes_Moorehead_in_Bewitched.jpg May 05 20:00:21 sad: yes. May 05 20:00:49 so i get error when launching preware...the service is not running....try restarting May 05 20:00:50 etc May 05 20:00:53 nt4cats: yep, that's me May 05 20:01:06 lies May 05 20:01:06 i have uninstalled and rebooted many times with webosquickinstall May 05 20:01:18 the person some of you may have seen at dev day was just a paid actress May 05 20:01:19 Adora: you're as lovely as ever May 05 20:01:27 tried the webosinternal install and standalone installer...same prob May 05 20:02:00 searched forums withour resolve May 05 20:02:17 hoping to not have to doctor it May 05 20:02:31 sad: you've told us lots of things that you have done, but not what the basic problem is May 05 20:02:43 ok May 05 20:02:44 sad: do you have novaterm or ssh access to your phone? May 05 20:03:01 the basic problem is that i cannot launch preware May 05 20:03:06 not sure how else to say it May 05 20:04:06 i can install novaterm May 05 20:04:28 sad: jacques asked an excellent question -- novaterm (or other shell) access would be helpful May 05 20:04:40 i will do that right away.. May 05 20:04:46 and once you have said access, I would use the preware bootstrap script May 05 20:04:49 does shell access via webosinstall count May 05 20:04:53 two of my favorite words are "preware bootstrap" May 05 20:05:02 hah May 05 20:05:12 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Preware_Bootstrap May 05 20:05:43 sad: sorry, I don't know enough about WOSQI to know if it would work May 05 20:05:58 sad: if it gives you a shell prompt on your phone than that is fine (I don't use webosquickinstall, so I can't tell you what it does or does not do) May 05 20:06:06 last few preware installs I have done have been with bootstrap and they all worked flawlessly May 05 20:07:52 i will try that method May 05 20:07:53 thanks May 05 20:08:15 i think the shell for wosqi is sucky May 05 20:08:18 sad: come back here if you have further issues May 05 20:08:45 will do May 05 20:08:46 thx May 05 20:12:03 dammit nt4cats May 05 20:12:17 now I have the theme music from Bewitched stuck in my head May 05 20:12:45 jacques: start humming the theme to "I dream of Jeannie" -- that'll replace it. May 05 20:13:06 :-| May 05 20:13:57 We all know that Hawaii 5-O is the ultimate 60s tv show theme song. May 05 20:14:03 Followed by F Troop. May 05 20:16:38 yeah I love the Hawaii 5-O music May 05 20:17:16 it has horns in it May 05 20:17:37 are you a brass player? May 05 20:17:53 maybe. May 05 20:18:13 Nice. May 05 20:20:55 install novaterm complete...installing preware May 05 20:21:12 complete...rebooting May 05 20:21:15 I "might" be a euphonium player and music educator. May 05 20:22:19 I "might" have to leave to catch my train May 05 20:25:00 cool, I didn't know hawaii 5-0 was available on dvd May 05 20:25:11 same error May 05 20:25:12 frick May 05 20:26:53 any suggestions? May 05 20:26:53 sad: there were no errors when you ran the bootstrap script? May 05 20:26:58 nope May 05 20:27:05 it asked about alpha May 05 20:27:05 sad: what version of webos are you running? May 05 20:27:08 i said no May 05 20:27:35 1.4.1 May 05 20:27:55 9.46 of package manager May 05 20:28:07 9.38 of preware May 05 20:29:51 that all sounds reasonable - I'm not sure how to debug this further May 05 20:30:11 ya... May 05 20:30:19 webdoctor May 05 20:31:16 is ipkg the same as luna? May 05 20:31:43 i get the same error when i try to restart luna May 05 20:32:12 weird May 05 20:32:35 can i uninstall via novaterm as well? May 05 20:34:59 I think so May 05 20:35:17 but I have never uninstalled preware May 05 20:35:56 nt4casts...any suggestions? May 05 20:36:06 damn May 05 20:38:51 anyone assist? May 05 20:39:13 can i manually force the package manager service to start May 05 20:39:16 via novaterm May 05 20:44:10 ... May 05 20:47:50 hey nt4cats May 05 20:47:56 same issue with novaterm May 05 20:49:34 sad: did you get errors when running the preware bootstrap script? May 05 20:49:40 nope May 05 20:49:44 instlaled fine May 05 20:49:46 rebooted pre May 05 20:49:49 same error May 05 20:50:02 tell me what "same error" means, please May 05 20:50:24 the service is not running May 05 20:50:38 try restarting preware or rebooting pre May 05 20:50:40 did you install preware alpha? May 05 20:50:46 no May 05 20:51:28 just because it may help, try installing the alpha. It uses a newer package manager service (this one written in C instead of the 'classic' version that is written in Java). May 05 20:51:47 i thought that was highly experimental at this stage May 05 20:51:48 the front-end of the alpha is (mostly/entirely) the same as 'classic' Preware May 05 20:52:03 what else do i have to lose i guess May 05 20:52:10 i will try May 05 20:52:32 sad: I cannot make any guarantees, but I use the Alpha only, and I understand that the author is *this* close to releasing the alpha (just solving upgrade corner cases at this point) May 05 20:53:02 installing it now May 05 20:53:07 if that doesn't work we can dig around in your logs to see what is going on -- or kick your issue up to someone who is actually competent May 05 20:53:27 * nt4cats doesn't know much, but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night ... May 05 20:53:45 setup complete May 05 20:55:46 wow, Mr. Gaudet hasn't been seen here in 28 days --- his last status message says "bbt" ... I guess 't' is short for 'in-a-very-long-Time-from-now' May 05 20:55:49 can i manually restart the package manager service May 05 20:55:54 from novaterm May 05 20:56:09 If you have the alpha installed I don't think you need to May 05 20:56:24 I'm assuming that because you're asking that question that the alpha didn't work for you May 05 20:56:27 rebooting now May 05 20:57:14 i am just guessing it wont May 05 20:57:26 i will have to use the doctor i am sure May 05 20:57:41 ya..same error May 05 20:57:45 but same version of preware May 05 20:57:47 9.38 May 05 21:12:52 sad: the icon should say "preware alpha" May 05 21:13:59 sad: doctoring is a pretty extreme way to recover from a "can't launch preware" problem May 05 21:15:04 sad: if it isn't working you and I can look at some logs (although my train is arriving at my station in a few minutes and I need to make the short drive home) ... or at least one of the preware heavy hitters is very likely to be here in the next several hours May 05 21:15:37 The latest preware alpha that I see is 0.9.68 May 05 21:17:29 preware alpha should really be called "late beta" May 05 21:18:05 it has been at least as stable as the classic preware for me for > month now May 05 21:19:32 echo $$- May 05 21:19:38 echo $- May 05 21:19:52 it was stable from the day i installed it right after it came out May 05 21:19:53 I have to drive home, I'll be back online in a bit ... someone help 'sad' if he wakes up May 05 21:19:58 save for the "probably installed" issue May 05 21:20:05 that was... unsettling May 05 21:23:14 hello May 05 21:34:41 FuMan: "probably installed" should be gone now May 05 21:39:06 how's the new uber kernel version treating everyone? May 05 21:40:04 hmmm May 05 21:40:12 i should install that May 05 21:40:30 actually, I should find my pre first May 05 21:57:14 whats good May 05 21:59:52 oc80z: seamless kernel updates May 05 22:02:48 rwhitby: what's in the update? (link?) May 05 22:03:16 nvm, found the topic May 05 22:04:50 Tibfib: the package description in Preware has the changelog May 05 22:05:18 uNiXpSyChO: it seems -16 is ready for primetime. May 05 22:05:32 rwhitby: didn't read it... just hit install :) May 05 22:05:53 Tibfib: ah, then you missed the line where it says that it deletes all your contacts May 05 22:05:53 ooh, idea for update, let users see the description will updating stuff. May 05 22:05:55 rwhitby: users seem happy with the screenstate quick fix it seems. have you heard any feedback? May 05 22:06:08 uNiXpSyChO: only seen good feedback on the forums threads May 05 22:06:16 rwhitby: great May 05 22:06:27 so I'll push it to the webos-kernels feed now May 05 22:21:36 whord? May 05 22:22:36 hmmm May 05 22:22:52 do we think compiling from svn will make dd-wrt work or not... May 05 22:23:15 whats up halo? May 05 22:23:51 still wanting to put dd-wrt on new DIR-651e1 router May 05 22:26:34 oh May 05 22:26:56 u got a 360/ps3? May 05 22:27:03 Both May 05 22:28:20 id suggest bridging your network with openvpn server, router side. May 05 22:28:44 Bridging is not my problem May 05 22:29:22 oh May 05 22:29:30 My problem is the goddamn router does not support dd-wrt and withought it I can't drop it into my room and tie it into the WDS system with the others May 05 22:30:32 its not a DIR-651 is it? May 05 22:30:55 No the new router is a DIR-615 E1, I misstyped May 05 22:31:37 it doesn't support WDS? May 05 22:31:56 Not with stock firmware May 05 22:31:56 ...so did you flash it w/ the dd-wrt firmware yet? May 05 22:32:04 No, because I cant May 05 22:32:10 how come? May 05 22:32:20 oc80z: because it's not compatible, duh. May 05 22:32:20 out of the 18 million different hardware revisions mine is the ONLY one not supported May 05 22:32:27 EdLin: its compatable. May 05 22:32:45 D-Link DIR-615 E1 May 05 22:32:50 is the dir-655 compatible? May 05 22:33:05 No, the damn thing will not install May 05 22:33:11 I spend all of yesterday trying May 05 22:33:16 well May 05 22:33:28 halfhalo: if one of your neighbors has a compatible device swap yours with theirs when they're not looking May 05 22:33:35 you tryed dir615e-factory-to-ddwrt-firmware.bin first? May 05 22:33:43 Yes May 05 22:33:47 I HAVE done this before May 05 22:33:51 and? May 05 22:34:18 I have a WRT-600N, WRT-350N, and WRT-300N all running happily with dd-wrt May 05 22:34:20 but no May 05 22:34:21 * EdLin looked at dd-wrt forums, dir-655 has a non-compatible chipset. Oh well, it has nice firmware anyway. May 05 22:34:28 dir615e-firmware.bin? May 05 22:34:30 not this freaking dir-615 May 05 22:34:37 halfhalo: I like buffalo routers with dd-wrt. May 05 22:34:44 it either will not boot or constantly reboot May 05 22:34:45 s May 05 22:34:56 after 1st or 2nd flash? May 05 22:35:13 doesn't matter May 05 22:35:28 well, do a 30second reset button May 05 22:35:42 I did… many times May 05 22:36:14 any packets? May 05 22:36:31 No, because it wont goddamn boot May 05 22:36:33 sounds like its out of memory May 05 22:37:15 u need to tftp it over , cause nvram is prolly full May 05 22:37:33 it doesn't freaking HAVE tftp May 05 22:38:45 what about the serial port May 05 22:39:20 you could go about it that way. May 05 22:41:06 then install openwrt May 05 22:41:31 since you have smashed your u-boot loader May 05 22:43:09 No, the bootloader is fine, hell, its using the stock fw again right now May 05 22:43:30 uh.... May 05 22:43:46 so it never transfers over May 05 22:43:50 Its got a fancy shmancy recovery mode May 05 22:44:02 ah., May 05 22:55:01 Hello May 05 22:55:20 Anyone here? May 05 22:58:12 hello everyone. . . May 05 22:58:33 can someone help me with the following question? May 05 22:58:43 Start with the tree.java program (Listing 8.1) and modify it to create a binary May 05 23:00:33 Colombia: this isn't #homework -- but if you have a specific question I'll help you figure things out. I am not in any way going to do your homework for you. May 05 23:03:23 yeah i am sorry nt4cats May 05 23:03:44 i was trying to find a basic source code to create a tree May 05 23:04:59 so i simply need to create program that makes a string be displayed as a tree. I don't have to worry about order or anything yet. May 05 23:05:46 i thought of creating an array and have the string be saved on the string so that it can be easily be insterted letter by letter into the tree May 05 23:05:52 would that be the best approach May 05 23:05:53 ? May 05 23:08:15 it does not have to be balanced either May 05 23:10:27 well, an array is an excellent way to represent a tree May 05 23:10:38 element 0 is the root of the tree May 05 23:13:56 u have given me a new approach May 05 23:14:29 i thought of the array to be the way to insert the character on the tree. . . i was using linked lists to create the actual tree May 05 23:14:52 but now that u mention is an array will be much easier. May 05 23:15:24 for a binary tree in the array, the parent is (i-1)/2, the left child is 2i+1, the right child is 2i+2 May 05 23:15:53 Colombia: there is a lot of good information on trees here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_tree May 05 23:18:24 thanks May 05 23:18:41 i am brainstorming what would be the easiest way to start the tree May 05 23:18:54 i want to start it from the bottom and build it up May 05 23:20:39 if i wanted to have the string contain 'abcdef' May 05 23:21:40 i could say: root, left child a, right child b. then new node left child current root, right child c May 05 23:22:40 Colombia: I'm not sure I follow you. Why don't you write a snippet of code that illustrates your thoughts, post that code on pastebin.com and then post the pastebin URL here May 05 23:22:53 ok May 05 23:26:54 i haven't coded in a longgg time May 05 23:27:03 so this could take me a couple of minutes May 05 23:27:08 please be patient :-D May 05 23:30:48 Hey I have a question. May 05 23:30:59 Anyone there? May 05 23:31:18 Helloo?? May 05 23:31:31 Prenfro, sup May 05 23:31:35 Okay May 05 23:31:40 I have a palm pixi May 05 23:31:49 and i have just added preware May 05 23:32:11 grats May 05 23:32:13 i want to add themes, but they are only working for the pre May 05 23:32:26 hrm May 05 23:32:30 can't say i know much about themes May 05 23:32:35 but, i didn't think they were pre only May 05 23:33:59 * nt4cats doesn't use themes (sorry) May 05 23:34:08 wow this is harder than what i thought May 05 23:34:37 i need a piece of pen or pencil! this would be much easier if i try to draw it first May 05 23:34:52 erase 'piece' from my last message :D May 05 23:37:21 question nt4cats. . . should i create the class node with 3 character slots? May 05 23:38:29 Colombia: I'm not sure what a "character slot" is. Recall that I haven't read the assignment you're working on, I just offered to talk about general/generic data structure and algorithm issues May 05 23:39:22 create a binary May 05 23:39:37 tree from a string of letters (like A, B, and so on) entered by the user. Each May 05 23:39:44 letter will be displayed in its own node. Construct the tree so that all the nodes May 05 23:39:51 that contain letter are leaves May 05 23:41:23 Parent nodes can contain some non-letter symbol like +. Make sure that every parent node has exactly two children. May 05 23:41:50 so i was thinking of having a class node with a parent, a left child, and a right child. May 05 23:42:23 thinking about it now. . . that won't make much sene May 05 23:42:32 sense. May 05 23:43:02 i'll just stick with the following class May 05 23:43:16 http://pastebin.com/zPRErXxM May 05 23:43:30 ignore the class tree May 05 23:45:37 Colombia: I think this is not the best forum for you to get the help you need. I am not sure that you understand the assignment (because you're confusing me when you're explaining it to me). May 05 23:45:58 Colombia: do you have a TA, or maybe someone in the computer lab (or your professor) who can help you? May 05 23:46:27 Colombia: ... and you need to look at your node class, you're missing something important there May 05 23:47:12 uhmmm something important. . . May 05 23:48:06 you have the data itself, pointers to the left and right children ... you also need one more thing. May 05 23:48:28 a pointer for the parent? May 05 23:48:43 that would be a good thing to have, yes. May 05 23:48:56 so public node parent: May 05 23:49:44 I hope your intention is to write pseudo-code, because your pastebin is not valid in any language I'm familiar with (I'm happy with pseudo-code, but I want to make sure you know it won't compile as-is) May 05 23:50:00 yes i understand that May 05 23:52:03 i am not too familiar with java May 05 23:52:21 but i was told java doesn't have pointers because everything is pretty much a pointer. correct? May 05 23:52:38 (I need to go put my kid to bed -- I'll be back in about 10 minutes) May 05 23:53:20 ok. thank you very much. i'll probably log back in later tonight May 05 23:53:35 Colombia: the short answer to your question is yes, no pointers in Java, you deal with references and primitives May 05 23:54:30 Colombia: when you log back in later, please try a java-specific IRC channel - the discussion is quite off-topic here, unless you're actually writing a Java service for the Pre. May 05 23:54:54 yes sir. . . do u know of any good channel? May 05 23:55:04 or a forum where i could get soem help? May 05 23:55:06 some* May 05 23:55:24 There's probably a #java channel ... May 06 00:00:33 thank you everyone for you help. hopefully my brain will stop being lazy :-D May 06 00:00:40 see u all later. May 06 00:18:13 rwhitby: ping? May 06 00:18:18 hey May 06 00:18:24 morning May 06 00:18:29 or whatever time of day it is May 06 00:18:41 could you take a shufti at that Makefile for me? May 06 00:20:49 sbromwich: which file? May 06 00:21:50 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=commit;h=bfeafaea2d2112c453dc1150de58feeb1831617e May 06 00:23:56 sbromwich: looks perfect to me. May 06 00:24:53 rwhitby: I am slightly surprised ;-) May 06 00:24:58 I will try the git mv now May 06 00:25:55 sbromwich: perhaps we can use this to start the new webos-kernels-testing feed ? May 06 00:26:13 (separate from the normal testing feed) May 06 00:26:46 git mv Makefile ../../testing/sbromwich-kernel-pre/ ? May 06 00:26:56 hmmm May 06 00:27:20 rwhitby: I'm not arguing or criticizing -- but the testing feed is already pretty exclusive, I'm curious what the benefit is to splitting out kernels into a separate testing feed May 06 00:27:31 I think possibly kernels named after individuals, then if they get good feedback put them into a testing feed, then if that works punt it up to alpha? May 06 00:27:37 * uNiXpSyChO maybe if you name it a Star Wars name it will work May 06 00:28:03 *grin* May 06 00:28:05 nt4cats: main reason is cause the webos-kernels-testing feed will be versioned May 06 00:28:34 versioned like patches ? May 06 00:29:13 (as in separate dirs for different webos versions) May 06 00:29:45 yep May 06 00:29:49 I figured there was a good reason, I just didn't know what it was. That makes perfect sense. May 06 00:30:35 ... but especially when you can't hear inflection or see body language "why?" questions sometimes are received as challenges May 06 00:30:53 Like when my wife says "you're wearing that?" May 06 00:31:08 mason~/preware/build/nonworking/sbromwich-kernel-pre$ git mv Makefile ../../testing/sbromwich-kernel-pre/ May 06 00:31:10 mason~/preware/build/nonworking/sbromwich-kernel-pre$ git push May 06 00:31:12 Enter passphrase for key '/home/sbromwich/.ssh/id_dsa': May 06 00:31:14 To git@git.webos-internals.org:preware/build.git May 06 00:31:16 ! [rejected] master -> master (non-fast forward) May 06 00:31:18 error: failed to push some refs to 'git@git.webos-internals.org:preware/build.git' May 06 00:31:20 mason~/preware/build/nonworking/sbromwich-kernel-pre$ May 06 00:31:22 sbromwich: git pull first May 06 00:31:22 *sigh* May 06 00:31:25 rwhitby: could I call on your expertise once more to point out where I'm going wrong? May 06 00:31:31 doh. May 06 00:31:32 ok May 06 00:31:35 ta :-) May 06 00:32:29 that repo moves fast, so a git pull is usually required before a push May 06 00:33:11 okay May 06 00:33:15 sbromwich: if you're feeling unsure of yourself with git -- this site (which is relatively short and to the point) was the one that made git make sense to me http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~cduan/technical/git/ May 06 00:33:34 so I saw "Unixpsycho breaks silence". I was expecting a humorous "Hi" post, nothing more. May 06 00:33:35 lol May 06 00:33:40 thanks nt4cats :-) May 06 00:33:49 lol May 06 00:34:03 nt4cats: svn is what I'm used to, git is significantly more advanced and I'm still not 100% sure I grasp all the concepts ;-) May 06 00:35:05 sbromwich: you are exactly at the point I was a short while ago. I like that site because it explains the git data model and concepts, most other sites just say "type this command to do {x}". May 06 00:35:26 oh perfect May 06 00:35:31 thanks :-) May 06 00:36:04 sbromwich: I'm still scared of merges in git. I will re-clone rather than attempt one. May 06 00:36:11 (unless it's automatic) May 06 00:36:29 * uNiXpSyChO rwhitby scared??? May 06 00:37:17 * nt4cats hasn't done anything other than relatively basic merges with git (yet) May 06 00:38:16 * chrisa has been to hell and back with git and has seen some _things_ May 06 00:39:00 * beelzabub is git's bitch May 06 00:39:21 I'm a git toddler. I'm past crawling, but I'm likely to wobble if I try to do much more than walk in a straight line May 06 00:39:22 * uNiXpSyChO git me some cornflakes, beeyatch May 06 00:40:14 I did, however, work out how to permanently and irretrievable rewrite history in git a couple of months back, when a proprietary palm file was accidentally checked into one of our repos. May 06 00:40:34 * uNiXpSyChO Palm is frowning at you May 06 00:41:54 Where is Puff?? I still cant figure out how the Touchstone is recognized by the system reliably. May 06 00:42:03 is there another step beyond just git mv? I did a git push after that and it said everything up to date May 06 00:42:17 rwhitby - you didn't do it irretrievably May 06 00:42:18 sorry May 06 00:42:24 * sbromwich suspects that statement may contain portions of lie May 06 00:42:54 remember - git does not perform any destructive operations May 06 00:42:57 beelzabub: I did - no-one else had pulled from the repo May 06 00:42:58 unless you do git gc May 06 00:43:08 beelzabub: I did even lower level than that May 06 00:43:26 ok May 06 00:44:25 beelzabub: and I needed to have access to the server to do it :) May 06 00:44:46 nt4cats: you are a star, that page answered my question May 06 00:45:19 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=commit;h=87e014ff21e3944e9d7985a5fdbdb88d58544068 May 06 00:45:22 ftw, etc May 06 00:47:22 sbromwich: I'll babysit the build, just in case. May 06 00:48:24 sbromwich: glad to help. The only reason I know about that page is someone was nice enough to pass it on to me May 06 00:48:35 nt4cats: that is a good page May 06 00:48:50 thanks rwhitby :-) May 06 00:48:57 infobot: git-tutorial is http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~cduan/technical/git/ May 06 00:48:58 rwhitby: okay May 06 00:49:59 ~botsnack May 06 00:49:59 rwhitby: thanks May 06 00:50:14 git's guts are well documented, you can do shady untraceable hackery at times May 06 00:50:24 oh shit May 06 00:50:35 sbromwich is playing the git game now May 06 00:50:37 this should be good O_o May 06 00:50:43 heh May 06 00:51:28 added and updated wiki page May 06 00:51:30 *grin* May 06 00:51:38 sbromwich, your wake up reset adjustments aren't in uber yet are they? May 06 00:52:00 FuMan: that's what I'm working on now... not an uber kernel, an sbromwich kernel! May 06 00:52:22 sbromwich, count me in :) May 06 00:52:44 with any luck it'll be coming out fairly shortly in the testing feed May 06 00:52:48 sbromwich, i also heard you were looking into 125 wake ups... any progress? May 06 00:53:04 FuMan: Yup, that's one of the things these patches should help with May 06 00:53:31 paydirt. Screenstate at 125 should be pretty awesome May 06 00:53:41 *nod* May 06 00:53:52 after running screenstate for a few days, my battery probably drains half as much as it did in roam May 06 00:54:00 as well as, with any luck, the hang coming out of suspend issue May 06 00:54:02 only lost 25 percent during my four hour exam :) May 06 00:54:07 *grin* May 06 00:54:23 well, keep up the work May 06 00:54:29 glad everybody got you on the gittrain May 06 00:54:39 *grin* May 06 00:54:46 i can't understand the actual code for dirt, but i do like looking at the comments and staying up with stuff May 06 00:54:48 rwhitby has been extraordinarily patient with me :-) May 06 00:54:59 also, rwhitby, very news-style tweet about uNiXpSyChO May 06 00:55:07 sbromwich: did you create http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SBromwichKernel ? May 06 00:55:19 it was like the headline of the NYTimes May 06 00:55:21 (the homepage listed in your kernel package) May 06 00:56:19 uNiXpSyChO: shall we release the PsychoKernel too? May 06 00:56:48 rwhitby: how about I do that now? May 06 00:56:51 rwhitby: release? i havent put anything there yet. May 06 00:59:47 test of a truly great kernel: threaten to sue all other projects. So you know what you have to do, sbromwich May 06 01:01:15 heh May 06 01:01:30 uNiXpSyChO: y00 ow3 me teh munniz for teh karnel! May 06 01:01:58 1 can haz n00 nam3? May 06 01:02:12 u can haz May 06 01:02:26 uNiXpSyChO: I is big karnel dev n y00 haz stol3n mah work! May 06 01:03:03 uNiXpSyChO: if j00 did not want teh karnel to be st0len j00 shud not hav put it on teh weeb! May 06 01:03:08 s00 m3. 1 putz mi nam3 on ur w0rk May 06 01:03:24 * rwhitby steps out of this May 06 01:03:40 I putz pr0n naming convention on mah karnel ftw! beat dat! May 06 01:03:54 * oil thinks uNiXpSyChO should name his "spk" May 06 01:04:12 my kernel makes me toast May 06 01:04:32 * uNiXpSyChO thinks the next name should be nympho-kernel May 06 01:04:39 * rwhitby notes oil's evilness May 06 01:04:52 "Alpha kernel 141-25.4.debbiedoesdallas is now available", etc May 06 01:05:13 for "super pshycho kernel" obviously May 06 01:05:41 * uNiXpSyChO likes oil's idea May 06 01:06:57 sbromwich: your kernel is in the testing feed, but hold off on announcing it until I get the builder to put it in the webos-kernels-testing feed instead May 06 01:07:12 heh May 06 01:07:24 I'm not announcing anything until it gets installed on my phone ;-) May 06 01:08:00 what's your kernel do sbromwich? :P May 06 01:08:13 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SBromwichKernel May 06 01:08:24 sbromwich could always name his spk, for sbromwich power kernel :) May 06 01:08:29 blank wiki = nothing I assume? :P May 06 01:08:36 sbromwich pr0n kernel May 06 01:08:53 VincentLaw: it's not blank for me... May 06 01:09:13 http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Application:SBromwichKernel&action=history says it's on there May 06 01:09:27 ah its in the source May 06 01:09:59 might have to be logged in to see something I presume May 06 01:10:58 ah okay so it implements all that jazz you were talking about previously May 06 01:11:01 not bad! :P May 06 01:11:07 yup May 06 01:15:21 its balnk for me too O_o May 06 01:16:38 shift refresh, it's behind a cache May 06 01:16:39 you dont have to reboot on a stock reinstall do you? May 06 01:16:54 huzzah, rwhitby May 06 01:17:07 FuMan: depends whether you want to then run that kernel, or whether you're just doing it to prepare for a different install May 06 01:17:21 ah, got it, how i expected May 06 01:17:29 so to just prepare, no reboot May 06 01:19:32 haha, missed the debbiedoesdallas kernel from above May 06 01:19:57 well if you have any alternative names... ;-) May 06 01:21:34 pirates May 06 01:22:16 gotta go high brow May 06 01:22:17 heh May 06 01:22:30 yeah, calling it "leeches" might be a bit... inflammatory May 06 01:26:46 well May 06 01:26:52 sbromwich, turns out your kernel sucks May 06 01:27:27 after about a two minutes of no pulse palm, screen fizzles, and restarts May 06 01:28:28 really? May 06 01:28:43 boafett? May 06 01:28:45 er May 06 01:28:47 bobafett? May 06 01:28:51 whatever is in the feed May 06 01:29:00 im sitting here pushing my battery now, to make sure its not coming loose May 06 01:29:11 it looks just like a battery pull, with the slow screen fade and what not May 06 01:29:16 oh yeah May 06 01:29:23 thats happenin, fo sho. May 06 01:29:35 heh, it has been quite awhile since I doctored May 06 01:29:52 i wonder when the last time i saved my package list was May 06 01:30:06 * FuMan looks at this as a golden opportunity to try all these restore setups May 06 01:30:56 rut roh May 06 01:31:32 for what its worth May 06 01:31:49 i was currently running uber, installed palm stock, and installed sbromwich, all without a restart May 06 01:32:59 I'm not even seeing it available as a package yet... which feed did you pull it from? May 06 01:33:13 im assuming testing May 06 01:33:20 sbromwich: it was in the testing feed for a short time, it's building for webos-kernels/testing now May 06 01:33:21 but i had that older hardware feed installed as well May 06 01:33:35 rwhitby, could my ninja download be the cause? May 06 01:33:46 FuMan: no, the build should be the same May 06 01:33:52 ah ok May 06 01:36:01 I'll wait till it's built and then try downloading by hand and extracting and booting through novacom, given FuMan's experience ;-) May 06 01:36:12 wussy. May 06 01:36:17 *grin* May 06 01:36:27 rwhitby, is there a bootstrap for alpha preware? May 06 01:36:32 such is the price of working in healthcare :-) May 06 01:38:12 FuMan: nope May 06 01:38:35 bummerandahalf. May 06 01:39:24 feel free to write your own? ;-) May 06 01:44:07 hmmm May 06 01:44:12 yeah that doesn't look right May 06 01:46:30 seems like it's failing to uncompress the kernel for some reason, or rebooting straight away May 06 01:46:59 rwhitby: does the build process leave the generated .config behind so I can compare and contrast? May 06 01:47:17 oh, it's right there May 06 01:47:19 nm May 06 01:49:34 sbromwich: so it's gone from the testing feed, and released in the webos-kernels-testing feed May 06 01:49:58 sbromwich: but I won't be testing it, based on FuMan's report ;) May 06 01:50:38 no, it's full of fail May 06 01:52:53 rwhitby: is there any way to do an autobuild with a specific .config as a test? May 06 01:54:18 sbromwich: just do the build locally May 06 01:55:00 copy a new sirloin defconfig it, remove the arm built flag file and make May 06 01:55:28 ok May 06 01:59:31 I have spent too much time staring at 129G of hadoop input to find the handful of bytes that are making things go all 'splodey. Must sleep. May 06 01:59:40 nite all May 06 02:04:14 rwhitby: if I have preware and preware alpha installed, does that mean that the package manager service goes missing? looking on the pre plus, it seems as is the pkg mgr service is not installed... May 06 02:07:26 jhojho_: that is correct, both will be using the C service embedded in preware alpha May 06 02:07:51 * rwhitby just got a package containing another broken Pre May 06 02:07:54 sbromwich, im all doctored up and back online May 06 02:08:09 not gonna waste the time to restore my jazz, holler when its time for test round 2 May 06 02:08:16 * oil thinks rwhitby needs to construct a tower-of-pres and take a pic :) May 06 02:08:28 * agrees May 06 02:08:56 * FuMan would cry hidden greed, scamming donations, start a forum war, etc May 06 02:08:58 * oil thinks BeeRad needs to learn the /me command May 06 02:09:15 * FuMan thinks oil needs to stop picking on people May 06 02:09:23 * oil can't help it :/ May 06 02:09:25 No, hes correct. May 06 02:09:47 wow, way to give in May 06 02:09:49 :P May 06 02:09:53 hah! May 06 02:10:01 oil, i sinned a bit May 06 02:10:07 Too much bickering going on lately. May 06 02:10:09 since reach was installed, gave it a few minutes May 06 02:10:14 lol May 06 02:10:21 turns out its like h3, with jetpacks May 06 02:10:31 which, is good enough for me May 06 02:10:51 well, its still halo May 06 02:10:54 but its pretty different May 06 02:13:22 rwhitby: that works, there must be something I missed in my .config May 06 02:13:49 sbromwich: do a diff of the two and you're done May 06 02:14:11 well, this "broken" Pre just gave me a Palm logo ... May 06 02:14:23 winner! May 06 02:14:31 FuMan: www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage.ddd is you want to try a oneshot boot May 06 02:14:55 sbromwich, since I'm already doctored, I'll wait till its rebuilt May 06 02:14:58 rwhitby: yeeeeah... it's a bit more involved than that, I need to strip out stuff like boot at 800MHz ;-) May 06 02:14:58 and try a feed install again. May 06 02:15:02 but no glow, so it's simply a userspace problem May 06 02:16:53 rwhitby: unless you want me to generate a *really* bleeding edge kernel to keep the whiners happy? May 06 02:17:01 sbromwich, +1 May 06 02:17:11 although, i don't really like that classification May 06 02:17:19 but ill get over it May 06 02:17:28 *grin* May 06 02:17:30 what is everybody complaining about? May 06 02:17:41 I was thinking more about the people on PC whingeing about no default boot @ 800 May 06 02:17:51 BeeRad, mainly, that all settings are stock at reboot May 06 02:18:02 apparently loading up govnah and tapping twice is just the end of the world May 06 02:18:11 I *want* it to do that! May 06 02:18:23 BeeRad, its the safer option May 06 02:18:30 but people that aren't going to be messing with governers May 06 02:18:30 Right. I agree May 06 02:18:40 annnnnnnd especially those coming from the "spk" generation kernels May 06 02:18:48 are use to 800 flat no bs May 06 02:19:00 FuMan: that acronym is banned from here May 06 02:19:06 so this "superior" uber kernel that doesn't do it, doesn't compute May 06 02:19:13 I am thrilled with the current Uber, Fixed the issue I saw. Happy camper, May 06 02:19:20 zsoc, what, the sbromwich power kernel O_o? May 06 02:19:30 hahahah May 06 02:19:38 heh May 06 02:19:45 * FuMan gives credit, i believe it was oil's lul May 06 02:19:59 oil has enough lul May 06 02:20:03 anyone here ever used android much? May 06 02:20:04 sometimes i think he needs more laff May 06 02:20:07 lol May 06 02:20:10 FuMan: sure May 06 02:20:15 I shall attempt to create a FOLK then May 06 02:20:20 zsoc, how is the open source community there? May 06 02:20:20 BeeRad: you're welcome May 06 02:20:29 i mean, i see a bunch of rooting news, i know XDA is nuts May 06 02:20:38 Listen, I dont know who made what....all I know is that I had SPK installed at one point and it was glitchy and buggy (feeling). When I uninstalled and went to Uber, that all went away. Sold. May 06 02:20:40 but is there a community installer, ala preware or cydia? May 06 02:20:46 FuMan: non of the core libs are L/GPL, so uh... there's a good community, but it's not really uh.. linux.. ish... May 06 02:21:01 Oh, i was unaware of that May 06 02:21:13 i thought outside of the Google built apps, it was pretty wide open May 06 02:21:16 uNiXpSyChO: Thank you!! May 06 02:21:31 FuMan: if that was the case, I would be in #android right now May 06 02:21:50 heh, I'm not gonna lie, I'm up for contract... and the EVO gives me some mahogany May 06 02:21:50 FuMan: this is by far the most collaboratively organized community in the mobile space imo May 06 02:22:18 but, im pretty sure going back to the days of installing individual apks and hand patching stuff will drive me bonkers May 06 02:22:18 FuMan: I agree, I would have a similar predicament if I was up for renewal atm May 06 02:22:24 zsoc: in spite of the dictatorial leadership May 06 02:22:46 zsoc, hes trying to get you to speak out against him so you can be punished, falter not. May 06 02:22:57 zsoc, yeah, i was really hoping Palm would show its cards before the EVO launch May 06 02:22:59 rwhitby: communism breeds order and organization :> May 06 02:23:17 so I could at least make a semi-informed decision on the next gen hardware May 06 02:23:42 in soviet webos-internals, ipk installs /you/! May 06 02:23:45 but it looks like the gap between EVO launch and C40 or whatever it may be, is going to be big enough I will fail May 06 02:24:14 FuMan: well i'll tell you I hate the HD2, so the evo better do something really special. May 06 02:25:07 hrm May 06 02:25:28 but surely the hatered stems from winmo, and not the big beautiful screen and solid build quality / battery life May 06 02:26:29 I'm just getting old before my time, and years of improper typing has caught up with me, and I think a software keyboard would be much easier on the wrists May 06 02:27:08 I gotta say, installing, removing and trying out new kernels with Preware is pretty damn slick now. May 06 02:27:29 rwhitby: +100 May 06 02:27:46 I love it when a 60 day plan comes together May 06 02:27:47 Just in the month since I got my Pre, I'm impressed. May 06 02:28:03 lol May 06 02:28:12 (yes, we first considered how we would handle kernels in Preware about 60 days ago) May 06 02:28:15 rwhitby, how about that 60 day plan for preware 1.0 :P May 06 02:28:29 preware will never hit 1.0 May 06 02:28:56 next year this time we'll be talking about 0.16.645.7 May 06 02:29:17 oil: I believe we are ready for 1.0 now May 06 02:29:21 lol May 06 02:29:25 stampit. May 06 02:29:27 screw the translations May 06 02:29:32 Can I ask a noob question...? May 06 02:29:32 oh May 06 02:29:39 but Mozilla took years to make it to 1.0 May 06 02:29:43 BeeRad, i wont be offended May 06 02:29:48 the problem is May 06 02:29:53 i might get upset a little May 06 02:29:53 we jumped too many numbers May 06 02:29:56 oil: I've just been waiting for an empty news cycle day ;) May 06 02:30:07 we could still be at 0.7.2 if we didn't skip so many :) May 06 02:30:36 So with you geniuses.....what happens *if* HP tries to lock webOS down? I want to be able to set my brother straight when he's running his mouth about it. May 06 02:31:04 well, something can never be totally locked down May 06 02:31:08 look at how hard apple tries May 06 02:31:10 Right. May 06 02:31:14 BeeRad: the bootloader is unsigned on current hardware. we can always put a new OS on the current hardware May 06 02:31:14 BeeRad: 'locking down' an opensource operating system is ridiculous idea May 06 02:31:17 if they did that, it would be a big waste of time May 06 02:31:33 So its futile.... May 06 02:31:34 it would be a big waste of time, but opensource in now way prevents it May 06 02:31:44 BeeRad: now, they could bring out new hardware with a signed bootloader, and then it would enter the jailbreaking level of difficulty May 06 02:31:51 yup May 06 02:32:03 BeeRad: but at that point, I would move on. I don't want to work with a company that does that. May 06 02:32:09 rwhitby: Pre 2, C40 = more locked down? May 06 02:32:15 agreed May 06 02:32:41 BeeRad: I don't know what those designations mean. May 06 02:32:44 btw - i don't believe there's anything technically preventing us from adding a signed bootloader to the current HW May 06 02:32:45 BeeRad: Palm has had /good/ experiences with homebrew, they have no reason to lock down their OS more. May 06 02:33:06 not that we are going to May 06 02:33:15 i don't know what the plans on that are May 06 02:33:24 if there are any May 06 02:33:25 beelzabub: agreed - as soon as you fool people into installing it. what I meant is that currently shipped hardware with disabled updates will persist May 06 02:33:31 I just wanted to get a few answers straight from you guys. May 06 02:33:50 zsoc May 06 02:33:53 * oil hopes they dont lock it down May 06 02:33:55 that was another question I had May 06 02:33:59 it would be fairly easy to slip a signed bootloader into an OTA update. risky, but fairly easy. May 06 02:34:04 FuMan: wat May 06 02:34:09 that is the main reason i never got an iphone and waited for the pre May 06 02:34:15 in the android community, it seems like when a new phone gets "rooted", its a bfd May 06 02:34:16 actually, nm May 06 02:34:20 i'm totally full of it May 06 02:34:21 apple wanted too much control i didn't want to hand over May 06 02:34:26 my pre, i dev mode, install preware, occasionally novaterm May 06 02:34:34 at least on castle, there's nothing preventing an unsigned bootloader May 06 02:34:42 what is it about rooting android phones that gives them the juices, when they can install unsigned apks to begin with? May 06 02:34:43 So if HP/Palm brings out the Pre2 with a signed bootloader.... t May 06 02:34:48 i can't remember who's in charge of DFU May 06 02:34:54 beelzabub: yeah, we have the omap usb loader program May 06 02:34:59 wat May 06 02:35:08 i believe it might be put into that mode by bootie, but after that you can load whatever you want May 06 02:35:28 rwhitby: I think it's ready for another go May 06 02:35:38 sbromwich, 3 2 1 no regrets May 06 02:35:47 sbromwich: you have full control now - just bump the tag and push May 06 02:35:52 haha, speaking of which, i haven't enabled dev mode yet, so i dont have preware May 06 02:35:59 oh ah? May 06 02:36:05 let me try that then May 06 02:36:47 sbromwich: yes, I've unlocked those heavy chains that I was oppressing you with May 06 02:37:39 I bumped the tag to 1.4.1-20 and commited in http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=kernels/patches.git;a=summary and updated my Makefile in http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=summary and committed, is that enough? May 06 02:38:03 rwhitby: yeah I might have known you'd suck me into the world of git eventually ;-) May 06 02:38:19 sbromwich: push both and you're done May 06 02:38:28 15 minutes later you have a kernel released May 06 02:38:55 rwhitby, i know nothing of git May 06 02:39:13 * oil awaits "Sbromwich's Pre Kernel" May 06 02:39:16 there isn't some system that you could RSS subscribe to to be notified of new builds is there? May 06 02:39:19 rwhitby: says I'm all up to date... here's hoping :-) May 06 02:39:43 SbrUber's Pre Kernel May 06 02:40:08 oh this is going to be uber all right May 06 02:40:26 Uh oh, what did I miss? May 06 02:40:33 this is absolute bleeding edge "cut yourself and don't come running to me" stuff May 06 02:40:34 * oil thinks we should have named webos-internals kernel "kryptonite!" May 06 02:40:52 sbromwich: explain May 06 02:40:52 man, they just keep rollin in May 06 02:41:16 BeeRad: it's based off my personal kernel config so it forces to highest possible performance May 06 02:41:34 Highest being? May 06 02:41:57 1.21 jiggawatts? May 06 02:41:59 800MHz, anticipatory scheduler, various oddball kernel options, etc May 06 02:42:31 as FuMan has already discovered, this has a reasonably good chance of crashing the pre at boot and needing a doctor ;-) May 06 02:42:47 sbromwich: pass. haha May 06 02:43:11 BeeRad: yeah, this is definitely one for those willing to test how good their backups are ;-) May 06 02:43:22 I want screenstate 125mhz/1ghz just because. ;) May 06 02:43:51 this is screenstate/500MHz<->800MHz May 06 02:44:35 sbromwich, it can still be modified via govnah, correct? May 06 02:44:36 although I'm still running my naive perl scaler as it gives slightly better battery life May 06 02:44:41 FuMan: correct May 06 02:45:39 Motorola Droids hitting 1.1ghz with the same cpu? May 06 02:46:49 i didnt think the droid was omap May 06 02:46:52 learn something every day May 06 02:49:04 Underclocked to 550mhz. May 06 02:50:10 rwhitby: would you mind double checking for me? I'm not seeing any new kernels yet and it looks like I'm up to date in git... May 06 02:50:52 sbromwich: something is building ... May 06 02:52:14 ah, I just wasn't patient enough then ;-) May 06 02:53:08 oh, it looks like it just popped up May 06 02:53:22 ok, let me try a test boot on this... May 06 02:53:42 im going OTA boot May 06 02:53:45 321letsdothis May 06 02:54:32 hang on May 06 02:54:36 I'm doing this as a one shot May 06 02:55:02 i dont see it anyway, what feed is it? May 06 02:55:26 I think that failed too :-( May 06 02:55:34 FuMan: webos-kernels/testing May 06 02:55:56 Linux palm-webos-device 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 Wed May 5 13:02:08 UTC 2010 armv7l unknown May 06 02:55:58 yup May 06 02:58:01 the only other thing I can see different is I'm using the 2008 version of gcc not 2007... would that be enough? May 06 02:58:22 sbromwich: quite possibly. uNiXpSyChO and I had that problem early on May 06 02:58:36 is there any way to force it to use the 2008 version? May 06 02:58:39 * rwhitby is flashing the "broken" Pre with latest 1.4.1.1 firmware ... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 06 02:59:56 2010