**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 08 02:59:56 2010 May 08 03:00:04 with the phone off? May 08 03:00:12 with phone on May 08 03:00:25 That may be a problem... May 08 03:00:38 after it's booted and you're back on the command line May 08 03:01:35 ok. Looking at palm screen. prob be a couple May 08 03:01:41 ok May 08 03:03:24 While we're waiting, your first instructions... cp -p /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr.orig ...I type that all together, correct? May 08 03:07:50 yep May 08 03:08:10 that makes a backup of that file, retaining permissions May 08 03:08:36 and the rootfs_open -w makes the /usr/bin directory writeable May 08 03:09:21 (you need to do that first) May 08 03:11:24 Ok, when i enter rootfs_open -w and press enter, nothing happens. So then I enter cp -p /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr.orig and press enter and it gets added right onto the end, then I enter md5sum /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr.orig. Here is what I have May 08 03:11:30 root@palm-webos-device: rootfs_open -ww 22:09:16 up 8 min, 0 users, load average: 1.17, 1.54, 1.00 USER TTY LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT root@palm-webos-device: rootfs_open -wcp -p /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr.origmd5sum /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr.orig ca6a3981c382b01a559d7186742f1fe5 /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr.orig root@palm-webos-device: May 08 03:11:43 Hey guys, I have X11 running on the display from the testing feed, also I have a debian chroot. However when I run xeyes in the debian chroot, it "Can't open display:". I've also tried "localhost:0". Is there a howto on this anywhere? May 08 03:11:53 ok, that just looks like wosqi command line bugs May 08 03:11:56 actually...root@palm-webos-device: rootfs_open -wcp -p /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr.origmd5sum /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr.orig ca6a3981c382b01a559d7186742f1fe5 /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr.orig root@palm-webos-device: May 08 03:12:06 morrison0880: but it's done the job May 08 03:12:12 ok May 08 03:12:13 morrison0880: ok, next command: May 08 03:12:36 sed "s/[56]00000/800000/g" -i /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr May 08 03:13:10 morrison0880: then restart Luna and I expect Universal search to be broken May 08 03:13:55 Luna restarting May 08 03:14:59 US still works May 08 03:15:11 morrison0880: ok, try and reboot then May 08 03:15:23 rebooting May 08 03:17:55 morrison0880: oh, hang on, I missed a step May 08 03:18:01 k May 08 03:18:10 morrison0880: you need to get the 1.4.0 LunaSysMgr binary and put it on there first, and then do the sed May 08 03:18:28 morrison0880: if you can copy the LunaSysMgr file across from your bad phone, that is equivalent May 08 03:18:30 lead the way. Almost booted up May 08 03:19:00 Ok, bad phone connected May 08 03:19:03 morrison0880: in WOSQI, connected to the bad phone: May 08 03:19:16 Tools->Recieve File May 08 03:19:28 File: /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr May 08 03:19:41 put it somewhere convenient May 08 03:19:50 then connect WOSQI to good phone May 08 03:19:54 issue seemed to be "-nolisten tcp", anyhow sorry to interrupt May 08 03:19:54 Tools->Send File May 08 03:20:18 morrison0880: select the LunaSysMgr file May 08 03:20:57 morrison0880: actually cancel on the good phone, we have to rootfs_open -w first May 08 03:21:12 morrison0880: so copy the file from the bad phone, then get a command line on the good phone May 08 03:21:22 Ok. at command line May 08 03:21:28 then run rootfs_open -w on the good phone May 08 03:21:40 k May 08 03:21:43 then go back and send the LunaSysMgr file to the /usr/bin destination folder May 08 03:22:12 decourl: yeah, it's set up fairly secure by default May 08 03:22:29 done May 08 03:22:36 morrison0880: md5sum /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr on the good phone May 08 03:22:53 c6627dcc6e54608ee9f540de1ae46132 /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr May 08 03:23:31 ok, no do a luna restart on the good phone May 08 03:23:39 and test universal search May 08 03:23:57 luna restarting May 08 03:25:01 Damn, it's going to snow in Green Bay tomorrow. May 08 03:25:05 Ok, back up May 08 03:25:17 drum roll ... May 08 03:25:31 still working May 08 03:25:36 damn May 08 03:25:51 I can run through it again quick May 08 03:27:03 going to try a reboot 1st May 08 03:27:08 ok May 08 03:30:30 US still alive May 08 03:31:43 weird. at least we've proven that the webOS 1.4.0 and webOS 1.4.1.1 LunaSysMgr binaries are indeed different, and the uninstall script from caj2008 restores the wrong one if you upgrade without uninstalling first May 08 03:32:03 ok, to restore your good phone, do the following: May 08 03:32:07 rootfs_open -w May 08 03:32:22 mv /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr.orig /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr May 08 03:32:29 reboot May 08 03:33:03 So when I run rootfs_open -w May 08 03:33:11 you can try copying the good LunaSysMgr over to the bad phone and see if that fixed US there too May 08 03:33:12 hang on May 08 03:34:20 and then I run mv /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr.orig /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr, pressing enter doesn't return anything. All i see is this May 08 03:34:21 root@palm-webos-device: rootfs_open -wmv /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr.orig /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr May 08 03:34:28 so if my evdo icon lights up most of the time, and java takes up ~40% or so in top most of the time, and if I turn off the data connection I'm fine, what the heck is going on? (sprint) May 08 03:34:28 Just double checking that this is correct May 08 03:34:42 morrison0880: again, I think that's wosqi May 08 03:34:47 ok May 08 03:34:50 do an md5sum to be sure May 08 03:34:58 my profile is fubared or? May 08 03:35:02 is should be ca6a3981c382b01a559d7186742f1fe5 May 08 03:35:42 morrison0880: I need to head out in about 5 mins May 08 03:36:42 ca6a3981c382b01a559d7186742f1fe5 /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr IT IS May 08 03:37:14 ok. Can shut down for now. I will keep Kate's phone the same. May 08 03:37:45 If you want to send other instructions for me to follow to test over the weekend I can give it another shot May 08 03:38:07 morrison0880: nah, that's enough I think. May 08 03:38:32 morrison0880: thanks again May 08 03:38:36 * rwhitby be back later May 08 03:38:43 Ok. I'm going to dr my phone to 1.4, then go through it all again to see if the same issue occurs May 08 03:38:52 No prob. Have a good weekend. May 08 03:38:53 ok May 08 04:30:03 zsoc: got the front page article> May 08 04:30:09 ? May 08 04:31:01 zsoc has the front page of my heart May 08 04:31:30 zsoc caused a page fault in my heart May 08 04:31:42 WOW May 08 04:32:49 Dilema… study or mythbusters... May 08 05:09:50 * PrimerFender is back May 08 05:34:04 hello May 08 05:34:42 I have a question on WIDK instructions: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK#Ecore May 08 05:59:52 hrm, I did a battery pull and other things and seemed to have stopped the mystery evdo and cpu usage issue, and was thinking if the adblocker patch could have an effect like that... May 08 06:07:01 Don't know May 08 06:07:19 maybe re-add 1 thing at a time and try to narrow it down first May 08 06:08:47 hmagoo, so you are good now? May 08 06:15:29 yeah after a day of not using the data connection, or the phone at all, the evdo usage stopped, did some resets, a battery pull, reinstalled stock kernel etc. not sure what did it, but thought of the adblocking thing and figured I am probably mistaken about it, but it could be a possibility, all the ad links in emails, websites etc, maybe, dunno May 08 06:16:18 I just now uninstalled the patch, so it stopped without that step... May 08 06:17:31 * oil wakes up from accidental 5 hour nap May 08 06:17:49 heh, you'll be going for a bit May 08 06:17:56 yeah :/ May 08 06:17:57 hah May 08 06:19:35 was a trip though, I was at work and my phone was burning a hole in my pocket, not literally May 08 06:20:12 "Why did you lose your phone?" "I left it, I couldn't touch it!" heh May 08 06:20:51 bbl May 08 06:21:00 xubuntu updates May 08 06:47:09 anyone here on facebook? May 08 06:47:41 http://www.facebook.com/webosinternals <- friend requests now being accepted May 08 06:49:52 lol May 08 06:57:59 * rwhitby bbl May 08 07:10:40 so my left mouse button is starting to click twice when i click it once May 08 07:10:45 VERY VERY annoying May 08 07:12:34 I recommend switching from mouse to hamster May 08 07:17:34 oil, have you used the WIDK to cross compile anything? May 08 07:17:43 i havent :/ May 08 07:18:29 bunger May 08 07:33:13 rwhitby: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/245549-mode-switcher-govenah.html May 08 08:29:02 oil: yeah, sconix and I have been talking about that May 08 08:29:30 I was figuring it'd be able to launch governor with a preset profile name May 08 08:31:12 launch govnah? or talk to the service on its own? May 08 08:35:28 * oil can setup launch parameters for launching govnah to change the governor then quit May 08 08:44:02 ive been thinking about how to get the list of profiles in govnah to modeswitcher so you can select which one you want May 08 08:45:32 unless you were going to write that into the service or something May 08 08:45:59 to read govnah's profiles from wherever they're stored and return them to modeswitcher May 08 09:02:16 launch params and then quit was what I was thinking of May 08 09:02:32 bbiab May 08 09:13:41 oil: can a launch param return a json of the available profiles to modeswitcher? May 08 09:13:58 i dont know if there is a way to return the data May 08 09:14:15 beyond relaunching modeswitcher with the list May 08 09:14:24 ah, a callback May 08 09:14:29 which he can catch in his appassistants setup May 08 09:14:35 and handle however May 08 09:15:11 is modeswitcher opensource? May 08 09:17:18 yep, it's going to be in our repo May 08 09:18:11 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/modeswitcher.git;a=tree May 08 09:18:19 looks like it hasn't been updated lately though May 08 09:20:40 yeah May 08 09:20:41 haha May 08 09:21:02 the ipk was last updated yesterday May 08 09:27:34 Yes I haven't updated the version in testing feed May 08 09:27:46 I can do it now though :) May 08 09:28:13 Anyway I will do a first "stable" release of MS during this week May 08 09:28:22 errr not week I meant month May 08 09:29:38 and I think the easiest way would be the relaunching of MS with the profile list, not the fanciest solution but should work May 08 09:30:46 ok May 08 09:32:57 yeah, i dont remember seeing any other way to do something like it May 08 09:33:03 now if I just find the instructions how I was supposed to push the new version with tag to the repo I could update the source May 08 09:33:06 Yoppo: are you using the Makefile in build.git/testing/modeswitcher/Makefile to build it? May 08 09:33:11 yes May 08 09:33:15 awesome May 08 09:33:41 Yoppo: have you been committing in your local copy of the repo? May 08 09:33:44 I just havent updated the testing feed since I was wating for me to get the "rewrite" done which is now done May 08 09:34:03 actually no I haven't for a while should start doing so May 08 09:34:16 Yoppo: did you want a wiki homepage like Application:ModeSwitcher ? May 08 09:34:39 Actually it would not be a bad thing May 08 09:34:57 Yoppo: once you've got everything committed locally, just do: git tag -a -m "Changelog entry" vX.Y.Z ; git push ; git push --tags May 08 09:35:32 thanks, it seems that I have managed to lost the instructions that you gave me last time May 08 09:35:50 and then I just need to update the version in build repo right? May 08 09:37:33 yep May 08 09:37:58 note that the tag has a lower case 'v' in front of the version number May 08 09:39:12 sbromwich: -23 should apply cleanly now May 08 09:49:13 now the source should be uptodate in the repos too, will test the installation once the package is available May 08 09:50:02 ill get profiles working in govnah, then setup relaunch stuff May 08 09:50:29 possibly this weekend May 08 09:55:29 ok May 08 10:01:36 Yoppo: I see the 0.9.22 tag May 08 10:03:34 so I guess I managed to do everything right :) May 08 10:58:37 sbromwich: Linux version 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 (v1.4.1-23@org.webosinternals.kernels.sbromwich-kernel-pre) (gcc version 4.2.3 (Sourcery G++ Lite 2008q1-126)) #1 PREEMPT Tue May 4 20:21:40 CST 2010 May 08 11:38:34 Good Morning, Is anyone up and available to t-shoot some code? May 08 11:38:52 if someone could look at this ... http://pastebin.com/yuzPWt5g ...and help me out. Having trouble with a service.request call May 08 11:39:09 From the ssh session command line I can get it to work May 08 11:39:21 but from the app I am dev-ing it returns the given error.... May 08 11:39:29 .... at a loss... :( May 08 11:42:55 .list May 08 11:43:15 .List Channels May 08 11:43:19 .List May 08 12:40:34 DrewPre: private vs public bus May 08 12:40:37 * rwhitby bbt May 08 12:49:38 good morning May 08 12:51:09 is thera a ways to customize the launceh button ind the bottom quicklaunch row (i want to replace it whith somethign else) May 08 12:51:49 JesusMcCloud: not at the moment May 08 12:52:26 not even through some hardcoded launcher button is some .js file?! May 08 12:53:37 I'm really not sure, but I know I've seen more requests to change that than I can count May 08 12:55:05 rwhitby, I see webos-internals has joined facebook. did you find your "guru" yet? May 08 12:58:47 rwhitby, in case you get back before I find it via google, what is private vs public bus mean to mojo.service.request? May 08 13:12:09 Damn, you mean to tell me i add a 'com.palm' to the beginning of the app id and I am accessing private buss?? What is the purpose of that?? App Catalog restriction? how insecure is that? May 08 13:12:09 Damn, you mean to tell me i add a 'com.palm' to the beginning of the app id and I am accessing private buss?? What is the purpose of that?? App Catalog restriction? how insecure is that? May 08 13:12:10 Damn, you mean to tell me i add a 'com.palm' to the beginning of the app id and I am accessing private buss?? What is the purpose of that?? May 08 13:12:18 Dang, you mean to tell me i add a 'com.palm' to the beginning of the app id and I am accessing private buss?? What is the purpose of that?? May 08 13:12:21 you mean to tell me i add a 'com.palm' to the beginning of the app id and I am accessing private buss?? What is the purpose of that?? May 08 13:12:31 you mean to tell me ... May 08 13:12:41 ooops sorry May 08 13:13:04 auto-scroll turned off...didn't realize I was echoing May 08 13:17:35 okay, so the natural next question is there a way to programtically change your applications app id? May 08 13:25:54 if I do a luna restart before disconnecting from wirc is there a command to kill the wirc service, rather than having to restart my device May 08 14:14:38 is there a way to completely backup your pre (I am looking for something like dd if=... of=...) i mean i could theoretically bach things up like this even over ssh, but i am afraid there is no way to get it back onto the device.. May 08 18:31:27 hi everybody May 08 18:31:46 helm me please May 08 18:32:15 Are you…a boat? May 08 18:32:30 I want add Russian localization to my palm, but can't May 08 18:32:43 not boat :) May 08 18:33:12 i tried to install console-tools, but nothing changed May 08 18:33:34 I steel cant type Cyrillic letters May 08 18:34:00 I have no idea how to help you with that… sorry May 08 18:34:50 maybe there is other alive peoples? May 08 18:35:25 /etc/palm/autoreplace would hint that there is no support for cyrillic characters by default May 08 18:36:07 As I understand autoreplace works with whole words only. It is not usable for me May 08 18:37:07 I thought that it's simple to localize console, like linux, but I was wrong May 08 18:39:21 I can't find where palm stores character map. I need replace it May 08 19:27:31 as I said on twitter awesome work on the new preware and uberkernel May 08 19:31:33 are the channels always quiet May 08 19:44:30 sbromwich, against my better judgment May 08 19:44:37 im trying an OTA install of your kernel now May 08 19:52:36 huzzah, it booted :) May 08 20:50:21 anyone up for testing a patch? http://unixgeeks.biz/patches/images/call-rej1.png http://unixgeeks.biz/patches/images/call-rej2.png http://unixgeeks.biz/patches/images/call-rej3.png http://unixgeeks.biz/patches/src/reject-calls-per-contact.patch May 08 20:52:08 JackieRipper: nice idea May 08 20:52:21 ty May 08 20:56:59 it's phase 2 of my over-all goal May 08 20:57:11 next is contact grouping May 08 20:58:46 assign contacts to groups, allow sorting by group, assign ringtones to groups, assign message tones to groups, reject call from groups, send messages to groups, send emails to groups May 08 20:59:00 should be fun May 08 21:10:24 ~seen dBsooner May 08 21:10:27 dbsooner is currently on #webos-internals (9h 3m 14s) #webos-watercooler (9h 3m 14s), last said: 'rwhitby: ping'. May 08 22:08:23 anyone up for testing another patch? http://unixgeeks.biz/patches/src/messaging-sms-tone-per-contact-v2.patch http://unixgeeks.biz/patches/images/msgtone1.png http://unixgeeks.biz/patches/images/msgtone2.png http://unixgeeks.biz/patches/images/msgtone3.png May 09 00:30:40 sbromwich, think i got my first wakeup reset while running one of your kernels May 09 00:38:53 I wish webos had some funky camera apps like the iphone May 09 00:39:08 that's the one thing that causes me MAJOR iphone envy May 09 00:48:08 * oil has no iphone envy May 09 00:50:01 lol May 09 00:50:32 hey oil, does it make sense to publish both cpu and battery temp on govnah? May 09 00:50:45 it doesn't do batt temp May 09 00:51:01 but you can get that info, no? May 09 00:51:07 never tried May 09 00:51:41 I figured since it was available as a patch to the device menu May 09 00:51:51 that means nothing May 09 00:56:11 lemme look May 09 00:56:24 but why would we? cpu temp is better May 09 00:56:39 seems like a waste of time to support something thats less then what we currently support May 09 00:56:51 and the patch is out there, so there is really no reason for future kernels from other people to support it May 09 00:56:58 other then maybe they hate us May 09 00:57:59 FuMan: was it a luna reset? May 09 01:01:25 oil: well, my thought was that it would be useful to know the temp of the batt too. plus being able to compare the diff May 09 01:01:47 you are right cpu temp is better (more important) May 09 01:02:12 isn't it commonly accepted that battery temp has more to do with charge/discharge or data useage then it does the cpu? May 09 01:03:01 probably. May 09 01:03:10 still useful information May 09 01:03:18 but still useful May 09 01:03:30 if you are anal enough to want the cpu temperature you would probably like the battery as well May 09 01:05:10 anyways, here's the fragment (no biggie) https://pastee.org/nw4ze May 09 01:07:18 * oil has a feeling its on the private bus May 09 01:07:21 so the service will need to do it May 09 01:07:33 since its not com.palm.org.webosinternals.govnah May 09 01:10:04 So we're coming up on the end of the second quarter, the company isn't even sold and rumors say that we're releasing a slate next quarter? May 09 01:10:12 The internet is great May 09 01:10:16 you mean to say you're not? May 09 01:10:21 lol May 09 01:11:43 I'm not saying yay or nay on anything, I just love how rumors can say we're being bought by htc one week, then next week say we're near the end of development on a new market product May 09 01:12:08 lol May 09 01:12:58 If only this was on a monday, then my stock would have gone up May 09 01:13:03 * oil would probably buy a webos tablet if it came out May 09 01:13:22 only if it had LAZERS May 09 01:13:32 I'm fairly certain I'm not interested in a tablet of any kind no matter what os it runs May 09 01:13:43 Until they become dirt cheap and just act as interfaces for other things May 09 01:15:58 chrisa: also, if they had a keyboard attached, possibly in some sort of a clamshell design, that would be a great idea. May 09 01:16:16 sbromwich: you have an interesting idea, I wonder if it is marketable May 09 01:16:19 if only someone would come up with such a thing. May 09 01:16:21 *nod* May 09 01:16:37 you mean, like a laptop? May 09 01:16:44 lol May 09 01:17:00 it couldn't possibly be that simple. May 09 01:17:30 What if we made it so this clamshell appliance had a more robust OS May 09 01:17:54 I thought it was called foleo? May 09 01:17:58 * jhojho__ runs away May 09 01:18:29 I've heard there's this "freakos" operating system that seems to be getting quite a bit of traction, maybe that could be leveraged? May 09 01:19:03 Screw that, I hear it's not even 3d accelerated May 09 01:19:47 im just wondering how webos will feel on something that large May 09 01:19:50 mmm, how else are the masses going to get their textures rendered? May 09 01:19:53 obviously its great for a phone May 09 01:19:57 oil: use a magnifying glass May 09 01:20:05 FIRE May 09 01:20:35 not an issue in canadia May 09 01:20:43 A few coworkers grabbed ipads May 09 01:20:48 we have like, all snow and stuff. May 09 01:20:49 and they bitch all day about having no back gesture May 09 01:20:53 heh May 09 01:20:57 hah May 09 01:21:07 I wish the world ran off valve time... May 09 01:21:30 or nixie tubes May 09 01:23:32 or burning candles May 09 01:36:58 nah. that would smell bad May 09 01:39:58 morning May 09 01:41:53 morning May 09 01:54:42 morning May 09 01:55:57 oil: do you think we're ready for Preware 1.0 ? May 09 01:56:29 I haven't seen any upgrade failures from 0.9.99 yet ... May 09 02:00:39 lol May 09 02:00:49 might as well May 09 02:01:00 the sooner we get 1.0 out, the sooner we can get 1.0.1 out xD May 09 02:05:38 shortly followed by 1.0.100 May 09 02:18:24 oil: my next app idea is SkyNet May 09 02:19:21 hello May 09 02:21:21 oil: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SkyNet May 09 02:23:30 Anyone tried rebasing the Palm Pre kernel code to a newer kernel version? I've looked around for kernel modifications, but it seems like everyone has just left it on .24 - is there some userspace issue with newer kernels? May 09 02:23:54 two words. May 09 02:23:57 Termana: binary modules May 09 02:23:58 binary modules May 09 02:24:01 snap May 09 02:24:15 Ah. Thats wonderful. Not. May 09 02:24:28 Termana: chat to the freesmartphone.org guys - they're the ones going down the kernel from scratch route May 09 02:24:53 e.g mickey|away, alphaone, ... May 09 02:25:16 I suppose the modules are for pieces of primary hardware May 09 02:27:10 wifi for one May 09 02:27:15 has the issue of shipping non-gpl modules already linked to the kernel never been settled, then? May 09 02:27:39 JackieRipper: Linus says it's ok. Other kernel devs disagree. It will never be settled. May 09 02:28:39 I'm sure it will one day... when one of those other devs actually sues May 09 02:29:02 I think it's rather clear in the license, though May 09 02:29:17 rwhitby, didn't Linux ACTUALLY say that he believed some instances WERE in violation, while others weren't? May 09 02:29:20 Linus* May 09 02:29:26 * Termana facepalms May 09 02:29:48 Termana: yeah, any that use a GPL symbol are inviolation. Any that don't are not. May 09 02:29:59 I believe that's his position. May 09 02:30:15 but I could easily be wrong. I don't speak on behalf on Linus. May 09 02:30:57 rwhitby, I thought he said that those not created with the intention of being used on linux first (eg. a windows driver ported to linux) were not in violation, but one that was written to target Linux in the first place was. But I could be wrong to :P May 09 02:31:21 only solution: get linus here. May 09 02:31:32 Any way to text from the shell, or input text from an attached keyboard? May 09 02:31:39 jhojho__: another solution. ignore the issue :) May 09 02:31:44 lol May 09 02:31:52 :P May 09 02:32:44 Anyhow, it is a rather pain up the arse that they are using binary modules May 09 02:32:52 the timeline of resolution of such issues is far longer than the lifetime of the phone (even with overclocking) May 09 02:33:36 Termana: I believe Palm are looking at later kernel versions to get better OMAP support. May 09 02:34:18 but what I believe has little correlation to Palm's actual plans usually :) May 09 02:35:01 * rwhitby bbl (mothers day) May 09 02:39:33 cd / **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 09 02:59:56 2010