**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 13 02:59:56 2010
May 13 02:59:59 * oil is sure webosinternals would buy it
May 13 03:03:02 * halfhalo is watching startrek first contact until mythbusters
May 13 03:03:41 * sbromwich is starting scheduled outage
May 13 03:03:52 <halfhalo> bah
May 13 03:03:59 <sbromwich> hopefully no-one around here is in a hurry to hit up emerg tonight
May 13 03:04:04 <halfhalo> outages should never be scheduled
May 13 03:04:22 <bpadalino> i am watching the news .. no furloughs in new york .. for now
May 13 03:04:25 <sbromwich> yeah, try that when *you're* the one on the table cut open ;-)
May 13 03:04:58 <halfhalo> blame facebook for the outage.  No one will disagree with you
May 13 03:05:10 <sbromwich> facebook is banned here
May 13 03:05:19 <halfhalo> see?  win win
May 13 03:05:21 <sbromwich> I think I'm the only person who can access it
May 13 03:06:04 <halfhalo> bah
May 13 03:06:14 <halfhalo> I would revolt if my work blocked fb
May 13 03:06:25 <halfhalo> purely because people complaining would piss me off
May 13 03:07:54 <sbromwich> that's why we have an autistic guy running the firewall
May 13 03:08:05 <sbromwich> all he does it watch logs and shout at people
May 13 03:08:09 <sbromwich> he is teh awesome.
May 13 03:08:40 * halfhalo doesn't do desktop support
May 13 03:08:49 * sbromwich doesn't either
May 13 03:08:56 * uNiXpSyChO users suck
May 13 03:09:05 * sbromwich tries to avoid talking to people on the phone if at all possible
May 13 03:09:14 * uNiXpSyChO all users lie
May 13 03:09:24 * halfhalo doesn't have a phone
May 13 03:09:34 * sbromwich finds that making users write their questions down makes them realise how daft they are
May 13 03:09:47 <pslag1> unixpsycho: fwiw, 1.4.3 works for me.  screenstate goes to 500 when screen off.
May 13 03:09:54 <pslag1> *sorry to interrupt banter
May 13 03:10:09 <uNiXpSyChO> pslag1: now you have to join in on user bashing
May 13 03:10:27 <halfhalo> heh
May 13 03:10:42 <pslag1> :)
May 13 03:10:50 <halfhalo> The closest I get to users.. or actually anyone else at my work besides my local it office is the rare meeting
May 13 03:11:54 * uNiXpSyChO routes alt.binaries.pictures.beastality to certain users mailbox
May 13 03:12:29 * halfhalo uses his network freedom for hulu
May 13 03:12:34 <rwhitby> dBsooner: hi
May 13 03:13:10 <dBsooner> hey rwhitby
May 13 03:13:24 <halfhalo> I gets to completely redo my desk's wiring situation tomorrow since I'm stuck at home with no car
May 13 03:13:30 <sbromwich> uNiXpSyChO: alt.tasteless
May 13 03:13:31 <dBsooner> did you read the bad news?
May 13 03:16:15 * halfhalo found a microsd -mini sd adapter....
May 13 03:32:00 * sbromwich idly wonders how all those users who were told to log off at midnight are enjoying the performance with the SAN throughput at around 10% of what it should be and ~90% of CPU being sucked down by the EMC agent
May 13 03:32:35 <uNiXpSyChO> EMC=Evil Machine Company
May 13 03:32:49 <halfhalo> my favorite type of company!
May 13 03:33:20 <sbromwich> well, I have a dead fibre card, but IBM insists I run all the diag checks, so...
May 13 03:33:36 <uNiXpSyChO> IBM always want that.
May 13 03:33:46 <sbromwich> *nod*
May 13 03:33:58 <sbromwich> they insisted the fibre card was fine after the loopback test passed once
May 13 03:34:15 <sbromwich> so I had my PFY run the diag loopback 15 times... got one failure out of 15
May 13 03:34:15 <halfhalo> "sir, its a software problem." "THERES A FREAKING BULLET HOLE IN THE MACHINE!"
May 13 03:34:25 <halfhalo> hehe… PFY
May 13 03:34:28 <uNiXpSyChO> and you're the BOFH eh?
May 13 03:34:45 <halfhalo> got your insulation tester?
May 13 03:34:51 <sbromwich> yeah, that's me
May 13 03:35:02 <jwm> bofh this buddy
May 13 03:35:11 <uNiXpSyChO> all UNIX shops have a BOFH.
May 13 03:35:12 * sbromwich is not popular with a lot of people
May 13 03:35:14 * sbromwich does not care
May 13 03:35:34 * halfhalo has the bofh blackmail part down pat
May 13 03:35:57 * sbromwich has a sealine bag big enough to transport a dead body down to the harbour in
May 13 03:36:24 * uNiXpSyChO i have fun reading people's email
May 13 03:37:46 * sbromwich can't be arsed
May 13 03:38:00 <sbromwich> just use grep
May 13 03:38:16 <uNiXpSyChO> awk and grep
May 13 03:38:26 <sbromwich> also, tcpdump comes up with some handy stuff.
May 13 03:38:57 <sbromwich> specially for those people who insist telnet is "not a security issue".
May 13 03:39:06 <uNiXpSyChO> comes up with some good passwords
May 13 03:39:23 <sbromwich> "Password123" or similar, usually
May 13 03:40:05 <halfhalo> heh
May 13 03:40:07 <halfhalo> tellnet
May 13 03:40:37 <halfhalo> Now, the question is can I be arsed to go to the supermarket for snacks tomorrow
May 13 03:41:30 * uNiXpSyChO thinks we offended infobot
May 13 03:41:40 <sbromwich> must have been the talk of arses and snacks
May 13 03:42:12 <hmagoo> might not matter because it is just relative, but anyone ever think the cpu temp censor is a bit low?
May 13 03:42:12 <halfhalo> I want to go to staples and yell 'WOW!  Thats a low price!"
May 13 03:42:29 * halfhalo doesn't have a cpu
May 13 03:43:06 * halfhalo has an lmu instead
May 13 03:43:27 <halfhalo> Llama Processing Unit
May 13 03:43:28 <sbromwich> hmagoo: it seems fairly accurate to me
May 13 03:43:40 <jwm> when will we get new hardware
May 13 03:43:41 <jwm> :(
May 13 03:43:44 <jwm> it's been 50 years
May 13 03:43:48 <hmagoo> 22C seems pretty low when it is warmer than that in the room
May 13 03:43:59 <halfhalo> When they get more llama's for the lmu's
May 13 03:44:30 <sbromwich> hmagoo: turn off wifi and do a bunch of stuff over 3g and it should heat up so you can check it's working
May 13 03:44:40 <pslag1> unixpsycho: all seems fine w/quick testing of 1.4.3... thanx.  But I'll be dropping back to sbromwich's -26 for some more battery-watching.
May 13 03:44:52 <hmagoo> sbromwich: it works, just seems a bit low
May 13 03:45:06 * halfhalo is trying to figure out what class of sd card he has
May 13 03:45:06 <pslag1> sbromwich: I'll play w/pt.pl without nodoze and see how it goze.
May 13 03:45:08 <uNiXpSyChO> pslag1: cool
May 13 03:45:17 <sbromwich> hmagoo: it seems accurate to me, but maybe it's just cooler in canada... ;-)
May 13 03:45:29 <pslag1> Go Habs!
May 13 03:45:30 <sbromwich> pslag1: I'll be interested to see your results
May 13 03:45:33 <sbromwich> heh
May 13 03:45:47 * sbromwich don't do the hockey thing
May 13 03:45:49 <jwm> want to stress test a pre.. open the dialer
May 13 03:45:51 <jwm> heh
May 13 03:45:52 * sbromwich is from the uk
May 13 03:46:14 <hmagoo> lock screen seems pretty taxing since it is so damn sluggish ;)
May 13 03:47:03 <hmagoo> well, if the processor is cooler than the room I am very happy with Palm's hardware
May 13 03:47:22 <pslag1> gnite all.  Thanx much.
May 13 03:48:47 <hmagoo> or whomever put it together ;)
May 13 03:50:11 <hmagoo> I just realized how useful the sampling down factor in the governor is, put it at 2 to have the speed hang a little rather than scale down
May 13 03:51:19 <hmagoo> also using manual entry in govnah to set freq step to 6 to scale in increments closer to 50MHZ
May 13 03:51:22 <sbromwich> brb, PFY has found blowy uppy stuff in the chassis
May 13 03:52:23 <uNiXpSyChO> put duct-tape over the vents...that'll fix it.
May 13 03:53:40 <halfhalo> blowy uppy stuff, eh?
May 13 04:01:45 <halfhalo> http://www.amazon.com/Pentax-K-x-2-7-inch-18-55mm-50-200mm/dp/B002OEBTCI/ref=pd_rhf_p_t_1
May 13 04:01:48 <halfhalo> Makes me happy
May 13 04:03:00 <sbromwich> jeez he wasn't kidding
May 13 04:03:13 <halfhalo> ?
May 13 04:03:20 <halfhalo> pics or it didn't happen
May 13 04:03:21 <sbromwich> looks like the chassis shipped with bent pins, putting a blade in there shorted them out... big bang boom back there
May 13 04:03:31 <sbromwich> vair well
May 13 04:05:01 <sbromwich> backplane has already gone but I shall upload the pic of the blade to my facebook account tomorrow for your delectation
May 13 04:05:11 <halfhalo> coo
May 13 04:05:18 <halfhalo> I shall add you on fb!
May 13 04:05:30 * sbromwich feels thpecial
May 13 04:05:41 <halfhalo> you should with that spelling
May 13 04:05:50 <sbromwich> heh
May 13 04:08:23 <halfhalo> sent
May 13 04:09:50 * uNiXpSyChO still waiting for the p0rn pic of the blade chassis
May 13 04:10:44 <sbromwich> oh crap emerg just went for a burton
May 13 04:10:59 <halfhalo> ?
May 13 04:11:40 * halfhalo is still waiting for this sd card to be formatted in this camera
May 13 04:17:23 <Spyral> why is the zumodrive icon for the pre so ugly?
May 13 04:17:24 <dBsooner> OK.. down to the airave.
May 13 04:17:35 <dBsooner> ka6sox: want an airave?
May 13 04:19:47 * rwhitby bbl
May 13 04:32:23 <sbromwich> yeah when the SAN starts making up random numbers for the hdiskpower devices... it's never a good sign.
May 13 04:32:50 <sbromwich> and the backplane is still on site, PFY is going to get a pic for me
May 13 04:32:58 <halfhalo> nice
May 13 04:33:20 <halfhalo> Now, while random numbers isn't good, be glad its not reporting 'fish'
May 13 04:33:57 <sbromwich> hdiskpower2789  none                                None
May 13 04:33:59 <sbromwich> hdiskpower2824  none                                None
May 13 04:34:01 <sbromwich> etc
May 13 04:34:23 <uNiXpSyChO> sounds typical of AIX
May 13 04:36:09 <sbromwich> not really, it's only supposed to have 50-odd devices
May 13 04:37:44 <uNiXpSyChO> cuz you're not using an EMC branded switch.  ;-)
May 13 04:38:16 <sbromwich> oh yes we are
May 13 04:38:34 <sbromwich> and last time this happened it turned out to be a blade in the san gone fubar
May 13 04:38:42 * uNiXpSyChO looking for more excuses...
May 13 04:38:47 <sbromwich> *shrug*
May 13 04:38:52 <sbromwich> I'll get IBM to replace the card anyway
May 13 04:39:28 <sbromwich> then I guess EMC are going to get called to get the guy who do the voodoo to do the switcheroo
May 13 04:39:34 <uNiXpSyChO> is this a suspect fabric mezzanine card?
May 13 04:40:00 <sbromwich> at this point the whole bloody shooting match is suspect
May 13 04:40:27 <uNiXpSyChO> stack up on liquor
May 13 04:46:39 <sbromwich> yeah... time for another coffee, I think
May 13 05:06:09 <PrimerFender> aloha
May 13 05:10:35 * phil_bw grumbles... I hate XP...
May 13 05:11:56 <PrimerFender> That's ok, phil, it hates you too. Be glad that the feeling is mutual
May 13 05:13:04 <phil_bw> oh I know, every since I switched all my PCs to Win7 XP has it out for me
May 13 05:13:26 <PrimerFender> Sharing?
May 13 05:13:40 <phil_bw> trying to make it boot
May 13 05:13:41 <PrimerFender> Or just *coincedential*?
May 13 05:13:44 <halfhalo> Heh
May 13 05:13:54 <halfhalo> Wiping mini tomorrow and swapping in new HD
May 13 05:14:08 <halfhalo> then after that wiping desktop and reinstalling 7 ult
May 13 05:14:27 <halfhalo> with the larger 750GB drive in place of whatever random 160GB is in their now
May 13 05:15:33 <phil_bw> never can have too much space
May 13 05:15:48 <halfhalo> Nope
May 13 05:15:49 <phil_bw> got my boss to give me a spare 1TB firewire drive that was laying around, that's helped a ton
May 13 05:16:05 <PrimerFender> I like to think I know a thing or two about XP...can I be of assistance?
May 13 05:16:06 <halfhalo> Just been to lazy to swap it out since I have to remove my video card to do it
May 13 05:16:39 <halfhalo> I have a 1TB usb drive unplugged under my desk right now
May 13 05:16:58 <halfhalo> and a 750GB still in its wrapper from black friday
May 13 05:17:18 <oil> send it to oil
May 13 05:17:43 <halfhalo> nein
May 13 05:17:45 <halfhalo> mine!
May 13 05:17:55 <oil> its still in the wrapper
May 13 05:17:59 <halfhalo> yup
May 13 05:18:00 * oil will put it to use!
May 13 05:18:05 <halfhalo> to much effort to stick in desktop
May 13 05:18:08 <halfhalo> but I will tomorrow
May 13 05:18:16 <phil_bw> PrimerFender, to make this as short as possible...
May 13 05:18:18 <phil_bw> wait it's working...
May 13 05:18:22 <PrimerFender> I have a 1.5TB full of ripped DVDs for my media center, everything else on a 500GB
May 13 05:18:34 <phil_bw> sorta
May 13 05:19:45 <phil_bw> anyhow to make a lng story short I am uprading my father in laws computer to a new mobo/cpu/ram and don't want to reinstall XP
May 13 05:19:49 <halfhalo> I have a 64GB SSD and a 500GB Scorpio Blu in laptop, 3 160GB drives plus a 500GB and a 750GB drive in desktop, and a 160GB plus 1TB usb and 250GB usb on the mini
May 13 05:20:36 <PrimerFender> phil, good luck with that. the key drives are your storage controllers and hal.sys. Try IDE mode if you haven't installed AHCI drivers yet
May 13 05:20:41 <PrimerFender> drivers*
May 13 05:20:57 <phil_bw> so far it's been weird boot issues
May 13 05:21:05 <phil_bw> would say "Operating system missing"
May 13 05:21:09 <phil_bw> faught with that all day
May 13 05:21:23 <phil_bw> so now I just tried fdisk /mbr off a Win98 boot disk
May 13 05:21:25 <phil_bw> that got me farther
May 13 05:21:33 <phil_bw> then did sys c:
May 13 05:21:36 <phil_bw> that got me farther
May 13 05:22:39 <phil_bw> and ran fixboot
May 13 05:22:40 <phil_bw> bingo
May 13 05:22:48 <phil_bw> only a whole days worth of work
May 13 05:22:56 <PrimerFender> =D
May 13 05:23:12 <phil_bw> well sorta, it looks like it's starting XP
May 13 05:23:28 <halfhalo> get 7 and be happy
May 13 05:23:29 <phil_bw> white bar made it's away across the screen... hasn't got past that
May 13 05:23:35 <phil_bw> his computer
May 13 05:23:41 <phil_bw> he can buy it if he wants
May 13 05:23:44 <phil_bw> I have 7 on all of mine
May 13 05:24:09 <halfhalo> heh
May 13 05:24:18 <halfhalo> it costs me like 12 bucks for hp
May 13 05:24:21 <PrimerFender> If you boot into safe mode, and it scrolls all the files on the screen, what file does it stop at?
May 13 05:24:43 <phil_bw> i'm going to try repairing one more time, I think that'll do the trick
May 13 05:24:44 <halfhalo> but I have technet besides that, so I just use that
May 13 05:25:11 <phil_bw> nice
May 13 05:25:21 <phil_bw> I'm currently unemployed so I don't get any benefits from well anywhere
May 13 05:25:29 <halfhalo> It is my humble opinion that cameras without viewfinders should be shot
May 13 05:25:51 <phil_bw> but people don't use those things anymore
May 13 05:25:56 <halfhalo> I do
May 13 05:26:00 <phil_bw> they drain their battery with the screen on instead
May 13 05:26:01 <halfhalo> I HATE using the screen
May 13 05:26:20 <halfhalo> but my parents bought a camcorder and camera with just screens
May 13 05:26:25 <halfhalo> luckily my K-x has one
May 13 05:26:45 <phil_bw> oh I couldn't see using a camcorder without a view finder
May 13 05:27:01 <halfhalo> I HATE my camcorder
May 13 05:27:11 <phil_bw> I don't even have one... :(
May 13 05:27:16 <PrimerFender> that's how they make them these days!
May 13 05:27:16 <halfhalo> Its a Hard Drive based JVC
May 13 05:27:19 <halfhalo> only SD
May 13 05:27:30 <phil_bw> bought this laptop with the sole intention of being a good video editing machine but never got around to getting the camcorder
May 13 05:27:35 <phil_bw> ah
May 13 05:27:41 <halfhalo> And a retarted codec that only works on windows
May 13 05:27:42 <phil_bw> I'd like an HD one
May 13 05:28:44 <PrimerFender> I have found that even some camcorders with viewfinders just use a small LCD and although saves power versus big screen, doesn't have the high-resolution that you need to find focus, but that's me
May 13 05:28:48 <halfhalo> Heh, the issue is that my parents use my dads mac to do all the video stuff
May 13 05:29:17 * sbromwich can haz facebook backplane pr0n
May 13 05:30:24 <halfhalo> hah
May 13 05:31:23 * phil_bw yawns
May 13 05:31:40 <phil_bw> told the wife I'd be in bed at 10, never anticipated things would actually start working...
May 13 05:36:47 <phil_bw> and we have lift off
May 13 05:37:06 <phil_bw> never been so happy to see that damn Windows XP screen
May 13 05:55:56 <PrimerFender> stupid vpn.
May 13 05:56:09 <halfhalo> ?
May 13 05:56:15 <halfhalo> vpn?
May 13 05:56:17 <halfhalo> why>
May 13 05:56:28 <PrimerFender> work
May 13 05:56:38 <halfhalo> bah
May 13 05:56:42 <halfhalo> I don't use vpns
May 13 05:57:23 <PrimerFender> i left some computers imaging, so when I got home I just have to vpn in and associate printers and applications
May 13 05:57:36 <halfhalo> bah.  Printers
May 13 05:57:38 <halfhalo> who needs em
May 13 05:57:40 <PrimerFender> didn't take long, just forgot I was connected until company firewall popped up heh
May 13 05:57:48 <PrimerFender> apparently little kids
May 13 05:57:59 <halfhalo> hah
May 13 05:58:26 <TheSavaLord> hi everyone
May 13 05:58:29 <halfhalo> Ok, the mini can't format a mini-sd card....
May 13 05:58:34 <PrimerFender> the teachers feel it's important they print out their craptastic drawings or prose and take them home to show mommy and daddy so they can hang it on fridge
May 13 05:58:53 <PrimerFender> what is this mini you keep speaking of?
May 13 05:58:58 <halfhalo> Mac Mini
May 13 05:59:06 <PrimerFender> oooooooooooo...
May 13 05:59:15 <PrimerFender> those are cute.
May 13 05:59:20 <halfhalo> They are
May 13 05:59:38 <halfhalo> except when my windows desktop its sitting on overheats and causes the mini to overheat
May 13 06:01:24 <TheSavaLord> I see nothing special about any mac for them to cost so much
May 13 06:02:04 <halfhalo> Honestly, they are really well made, and OSX is pretty nice
May 13 06:02:15 <halfhalo> But I do think that the price difference is a little to high
May 13 06:03:44 <TheSavaLord> well I am a tech if you buy quality parts anything can be well made and still be cheaper
May 13 06:04:05 <MiX-MaN> sooo... maybe a touchy topic here.. but whos heading to pre-order the evo tomorrow?
May 13 06:04:16 <halfhalo> While yes, not many people get decent parts
May 13 06:04:21 <PrimerFender> i think the "trick" is to buy a new one every 2-3 years and sell the old one to offset the cost of the new one. looking on craig's list and ebay they hold resell value higher than a comparable pc
May 13 06:04:43 <halfhalo> Hell, I still have an Old 17" G4 Powerbook somewhere
May 13 06:05:00 <PrimerFender> i got a 12" g4 powerbook lol
May 13 06:05:05 <halfhalo> Used to have one
May 13 06:05:13 <halfhalo> Then…. I killed it
May 13 06:05:29 <TheSavaLord> I'm mad at palm for one thing thou.
May 13 06:06:07 <TheSavaLord> has nothing to do with webos thou
May 13 06:06:13 <PrimerFender>  i had a 15" g4 titanium, and my friend killed it. so he found me a brand new 13" macbook for $700 and i bought it and gave it to my girlfriend. that was 4 years ago? she loves it
May 13 06:06:29 <PrimerFender> go for it lord
May 13 06:06:45 <TheSavaLord> them buying out BeOS and then doing nothing with it
May 13 06:06:55 <PrimerFender> hahaha
May 13 06:07:03 <halfhalo> Only think that interests me about hte current apple laptops is the touchpad
May 13 06:07:08 <halfhalo> THAT is amazing
May 13 06:07:17 <PrimerFender> the battery is really nice
May 13 06:07:17 <halfhalo> That needs to be on the thinkpad like now
May 13 06:07:36 <PrimerFender> my friend has 17" and that thing literally ran all day
May 13 06:07:47 <halfhalo> that with the thinkpads stick would be amazing
May 13 06:08:11 <halfhalo> well hell, my T400 thinkpad gets 10 hours when I only have one HD in it and am running on the intel card
May 13 06:08:16 <TheSavaLord> well I see a part of beos in webos
May 13 06:08:20 <PrimerFender> is BeOS still owned by palm?
May 13 06:08:30 <PrimerFender> beside the name?
May 13 06:09:17 <TheSavaLord> I know others have done derivitives of it so I think they gpled the code
May 13 06:09:31 <TheSavaLord> there was Zeta
May 13 06:09:54 <TheSavaLord> Haiku
May 13 06:09:56 <PrimerFender> beos was cool, that's when I first used maya (i think it was maya)
May 13 06:10:52 <TheSavaLord> do you notice that the menu on the palm in the top left is similar to beos
May 13 06:11:14 <TheSavaLord> well I mean webos
May 13 06:11:21 <PrimerFender> along similar lines, palm started developing a linux OS, ACCESS or whatever, then sold it, then leased it back <- WTF?! but we have webos so I guess all is forgiven...for now. HP better know what they are getting in to
May 13 06:12:00 * PrimerFender looks for screenshots because he can't remember THAT much detail
May 13 06:12:48 <TheSavaLord> well if you are using wirc if you were in Beos it would be yello
May 13 06:13:37 <TheSavaLord> if I knew how to do themes it would be cool to make a beos theme
May 13 06:17:13 <FuMan> hrm, new wirc
May 13 06:17:20 <FuMan> never thought I'd see the day
May 13 06:18:26 <oil> xD
May 13 06:18:50 <FuMan> just another thing before xbl, right oil
May 13 06:19:01 <oil> hella
May 13 06:19:13 * oil has a bunch of projects
May 13 06:19:23 <FuMan> while I've got you
May 13 06:19:31 <FuMan> what does smart text engine mean
May 13 06:19:38 <oil> in wirc?
May 13 06:19:43 <FuMan> mhmmmm
May 13 06:19:48 <oil> thats text replacement
May 13 06:20:04 <FuMan> like, the "autocorrect"?
May 13 06:20:05 <oil> so "ur" becomes "your", etc
May 13 06:20:08 <oil> yeah
May 13 06:20:20 <oil> its something the text widgets let you turn on or off
May 13 06:20:23 <oil> so i made it an option :)
May 13 06:20:30 <FuMan> word
May 13 06:20:37 <FuMan> well, I like the stamps
May 13 06:20:46 <oil> yeah
May 13 06:21:10 <FuMan> but... last exam tomorrow, gotta crash
May 13 06:21:20 <FuMan> whatever the project, good work
May 13 06:21:21 <oil> later
May 13 06:21:29 <FuMan> govnah is tasssssty
May 13 06:22:11 <PrimerFender> funny, i'm still using the 800mhz shell script from 1.4
May 13 06:22:23 <FuMan> missin oooooout
May 13 06:22:31 <PrimerFender> am i?
May 13 06:22:32 <FuMan> drop down topic is cute oil
May 13 06:22:39 <FuMan> not sure if that's new though
May 13 06:22:40 <oil> thats been there...
May 13 06:22:50 <TheSavaLord> now we just need dcc send/get lol
May 13 06:23:08 * FuMan is so gonna be sending trojan.exes
May 13 06:23:10 <FuMan> :P
May 13 06:23:13 <FuMan> night guys
May 13 06:23:47 <TheSavaLord> govnah is awesome thou
May 13 06:24:04 <PrimerFender> what am i missing? i haven't really looked at it yet
May 13 06:25:04 <oil> supporting sending files would be awesome
May 13 06:25:13 <oil> too bad that requires PuffTheMagic to add it to the service :)
May 13 06:25:28 <TheSavaLord> main thing is the screenstate governor option
May 13 06:25:39 <PrimerFender> what does that do?
May 13 06:25:50 <PrimerFender> slow it down while phone is locked
May 13 06:25:51 <PrimerFender> ?
May 13 06:26:06 <TheSavaLord> 800mhz when screen is on 5@0 when it's off
May 13 06:26:58 <TheSavaLord> also govnah and uberkernel monitors the cpu temp not the battery temp
May 13 06:28:22 <PrimerFender> having the 800mhz full speed ahead hasn't change my charging habits any
May 13 06:28:25 <TheSavaLord> like my phone feels hot because I am charging it but cpu temp is TheSavaLord 35c
May 13 06:29:07 <PrimerFender> and it always warms up when charging and i don't feel a difference with it on either
May 13 06:29:43 <PrimerFender> i think, when it gets near time to upgrade, i'm going to see if I can ramp it up to 1GHz+ and cook it. when it fries, i get upgrade =D
May 13 06:30:10 <TheSavaLord> also the uberkernel is based on 1.4.1
May 13 06:30:25 <helpplease> hello
May 13 06:30:28 <PrimerFender> now THAT might make a difference
May 13 06:30:37 <PrimerFender> Sava check this out: http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/05/11/exclusive-androidpolice-coms-nexus-one-is-running-android-2-2-froyo-how-fast-is-it-compared-to-2-1-oh-only-about-450-faster/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AndroidPolice+%28Android+News%2C+Reviews%2C+Applications%2C+Games%2C+Phones%2C+Devices%2C+Tips%2C+Hacks%2C+Videos%2C+Podcasts+-+Android+Police%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
May 13 06:30:47 <PrimerFender> christ.
May 13 06:31:22 <PrimerFender> helpplease needs help, i guess
May 13 06:31:24 <TheSavaLord> it definitely makes a difference for me considering I'm on verizon
May 13 06:31:47 <PrimerFender> is the kernel different for the different carriers? how lame
May 13 06:31:53 <TheSavaLord> and the kernel patched the keyboard
May 13 06:31:54 <helpplease> my prepreware is stuck downloading the palm catalog.  Do I just need to be patient or reinstall it?
May 13 06:32:07 <PrimerFender> or, you just didn't get the update soon enough?
May 13 06:32:19 <PrimerFender> help, is this the first time you tried?
May 13 06:32:28 <rwhitby> PrimerFender: kernel is not different for different carriers
May 13 06:32:30 <helpplease> second
May 13 06:32:42 <TheSavaLord> they tested it more and they fixed the double type issue
May 13 06:32:43 <PrimerFender> wifi or "3g"
May 13 06:32:50 <rwhitby> PrimerFender: the stuff from caj2008 used an old 1.4.0 kernel and he never updated it, even when 1.4.1 came out
May 13 06:33:00 <helpplease> 3g
May 13 06:33:19 <PrimerFender> and is this preware or the app catalog? i'm guessing preware just want to make sure
May 13 06:33:36 <rwhitby> PrimerFender: so if you're on verizon, which needs 1.4.1 to fix the keyboard problem, you're SOL unless you use UberKernel
May 13 06:33:41 <helpplease> preware app
May 13 06:33:54 <rwhitby> helpplease: just disable the feed,
May 13 06:33:59 <PrimerFender> rwhitby: makes sense, never thought about it, haven't noticed any problems lol
May 13 06:34:19 <helpplease> how?
May 13 06:34:27 <PrimerFender> press the Preware menu at top of screen
May 13 06:34:39 <PrimerFender> and tap manage feeds
May 13 06:34:54 <rwhitby> I'm continually amazed by the number of people who do not explore the menus of an application before asking for help.
May 13 06:35:04 <PrimerFender> then turn off all the palm-xxx feeds
May 13 06:35:10 <helpplease> dang it I just saw it
May 13 06:35:15 <TheSavaLord> there might be somme differences between 1.4.0 to 1.4.1 that most people wouldn't notice
May 13 06:35:21 <helpplease> thanks for your help
May 13 06:35:33 <rwhitby> helpplease: what preware version are you running?
May 13 06:35:50 * PrimerFender thinks rwhitby is mean (but still agrees =D)
May 13 06:36:15 <TheSavaLord> some people don't have a tech mentality
May 13 06:37:01 <rwhitby> if it didn't specifically refer to the Manage Feeds menu item in the splash screen that *everyone* has to read before starting preware for the very first time, I'd agree.
May 13 06:37:20 <TheSavaLord> my boss gets upset at me when I talk tech to end users lol
May 13 06:37:22 <helpplease> 0.9.28
May 13 06:37:35 <PrimerFender> it does? i don't read that crap :-P
May 13 06:37:46 <rwhitby> I spent a good 4 hours getting the right words on that splash screen so that it would give all the information needed in a single screen that you didn't need to scroll.
May 13 06:37:56 <rwhitby> so when I get someone who hasn't read it, then I'm mean :)
May 13 06:38:07 <rwhitby> helpplease: you'll want to upgrade to 1.0.0
May 13 06:38:32 <TheSavaLord> definitely get preware 1.0.0
May 13 06:38:48 <helpplease> 0.9.283 2%6$3 ?"+
May 13 06:38:52 <PrimerFender> haha, end users get upset when i talk tech to them. they are teachers so i expect them to be experts in learning, or at least expect them to understand "the blue thingy plugs into the blue thingyy"
May 13 06:39:22 <helpplease> doing that rigt now
May 13 06:39:33 <TheSavaLord> lol
May 13 06:39:37 * PrimerFender reads splash screen to check for spelling and grammar mistakes. and mermorizes it by accident
May 13 06:39:44 <rwhitby> people not even reading the splash screen is the reason why Preware has no documentation. No-one would read it anway, so it's a waste of time writing it.
May 13 06:40:17 <PrimerFender> speaking of kernels out of sync, i just slid my screen up and it rebooted. fark.
May 13 06:40:38 <oil> sounds like you need a little bit of paper above the battery
May 13 06:41:37 <PrimerFender> probably, i'm surprised this thing ahas lasted this long. 1st pre but dropped it dozes of times, couple of cracks, paint coming off ball button, usb "door" just fell off a few weeks ago...
May 13 06:41:46 <rwhitby> oil: so, we should put wircd and wirc in a single package
May 13 06:42:00 <oil> not like there is going to be a new service for a while
May 13 06:42:08 <oil> lol
May 13 06:42:56 <PrimerFender> can i patch uberkernel over my 1.4 kernel or should i uninstall 800mhz1.4 first?
May 13 06:43:27 <oil> rwhitby: eventually i think it should move there
May 13 06:43:33 <TheSavaLord> you should install the recovery 1.4.1 then uberkernel
May 13 06:43:36 <oil> and be put in the autobuilder for the service
May 13 06:43:42 <oil> but i dont know anything about any of that
May 13 06:44:08 <eieio> sup sup?
May 13 06:45:15 <phil_bw2> there I go...
May 13 06:45:41 <PrimerFender> thanks, lord
May 13 06:46:12 * rwhitby now has 6 Palm Profiles
May 13 06:46:39 <phil_bw> rwhitby, pretty good for not even offically having the Pre down there
May 13 06:46:43 <oil> damn rwhitby
May 13 06:46:46 <eieio> only 6?
May 13 06:47:02 <PrimerFender> are you like the only kid on the block with a pre?
May 13 06:47:37 <rwhitby> 1 buys apps in the US, 2 potentially can buy apps in the US, 1 can potentially buy apps in Germany, 2 can't buy apps anywhere.
May 13 06:48:09 <eieio> interesting
May 13 06:48:09 <rwhitby> PrimerFender: I suspect I have the largest concentration of webOS devices in the southern hemisphere.
May 13 06:48:17 <PrimerFender> LOL
May 13 06:48:19 <phil_bw> haha
May 13 06:49:00 <rwhitby> I have 3 within arm's reach at the moment, and two others in pieces on the next desk.
May 13 06:49:13 <PrimerFender> we'll have to have a bake sale and take donations and send you a webOS slate when it comes out ;-)
May 13 06:49:27 <rwhitby> and another Sprint device being posted tomorrow
May 13 06:49:27 <phil_bw> the sad thing is that I live in the US and most people around here are probably just as clueless as to what WebOS is as the people down there
May 13 06:49:53 <eieio> hopefully we'll get to fix that soon enough
May 13 06:50:04 <PrimerFender> my friend and i got one, then we convinced a gal at work to get one and she really likes it
May 13 06:50:17 <PrimerFender> i've seen 2 at the starbucks I go to
May 13 06:50:30 <rwhitby> what I really want is an unlocked GSM Pre Plus
May 13 06:50:41 <PrimerFender> almost everyone has an iphone, blackberry, or android something or other
May 13 06:50:43 <rwhitby> but I don't know if they're available yet in Germany
May 13 06:51:55 <phil_bw> rwhitby, still must suck to have to order your phones from Germany
May 13 06:51:57 <rwhitby> want an unlocked GSM Pixi Plus too
May 13 06:52:10 <rwhitby> phil_bw: yup.
May 13 06:52:26 <PrimerFender> huh, recovery kernel and cat /proc/cpuinfo shows 600Mhz
May 13 06:52:41 <rwhitby> especially when German DHL took 3 months to deliver one that should have taken 3 days.
May 13 06:52:57 <phil_bw> I mean my car came from Germany but someone else took care of that importation
May 13 06:52:58 * PrimerFender has been trying to get girlfriend to buy pixi for a long time...stills like her treo 755
May 13 06:53:12 <phil_bw> wow, that sucks even more
May 13 06:54:02 <phil_bw> PrimerFender, my Wife still wants to dump her Pre and go back to her Centro... er my Centro since hers broke
May 13 06:54:23 <PrimerFender> DUDE! she has my treo 755 because hers broke LOL
May 13 06:54:43 <PrimerFender> what is that?
May 13 06:56:40 <PrimerFender> i think the finger nails might have something to do with it...she was so used to her treo she didn't like not being able to use her fingernails to tap things...but i don't know. and she likes the d-pad for moving around...i've been trying to figure it out but i suppose it's a lost cause...
May 13 06:58:08 <phil_bw> ohwell
May 13 06:59:09 <eieio> yawn
May 13 06:59:29 <eieio> seems like there has been more kernel hackin around here lately
May 13 07:00:17 <phil_bw> yes, seems to be the favorite past time around here, I feel like such a loser with my stock 500mhz kernel...
May 13 07:00:58 <phil_bw> anyhow, finally got this stupid other computer working right so I'm off to bed, 'nighto
May 13 07:01:05 <PrimerFender> good night
May 13 07:01:39 <SavaLord2> nite
May 13 07:13:05 <SavaLord2> hello
May 13 07:15:54 <PrimerFender> hi
May 13 09:12:22 <rwhitby> ok, who can reproduce this: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/245792-preware-1-x-5.html#post2449615 ?
May 13 09:51:08 * rwhitby bbl
May 13 11:36:30 <rich___> o.o
May 13 11:38:24 <Vega_> hello?
May 13 11:39:28 <idontwan2know> hello,
May 13 11:39:50 <Vega_> can you help me?
May 13 11:40:05 <idontwan2know> probably not, but it's not totally impossible
May 13 11:40:54 <Vega_> lol I keep getting a error on my preware saying the services are not available
May 13 11:42:14 <idontwan2know> package manager service?
May 13 11:42:52 <Vega_> yea
May 13 11:43:21 <idontwan2know> Are you on PreWare 1.0?
May 13 11:45:07 <Vega_> 1.0.0
May 13 11:46:48 <idontwan2know> rwhitby may be able to help you out if he has time
May 13 11:47:36 <Vega_> yea it's been like this since the update I guess a little while longer won't hurt thanx tho
May 13 11:47:56 <idontwan2know> the package manager service is now included in the app, so if PreWare is installed, it's there
May 13 11:48:12 <idontwan2know> however I have seen some people reporting a similar problem
May 13 11:48:39 <idontwan2know> An uninstall/reinstall of PreWare would be an obvious first step if you haven't done that already.
May 13 11:54:10 <en0x> oh new wircd
May 13 11:54:10 <en0x> ;D
May 13 12:08:55 <RagingMind> be nice if wirc supported ssl connections
May 13 12:09:10 <en0x> doesn';t it?
May 13 12:09:14 <en0x> i thought it does
May 13 12:09:27 <en0x> lol i got coming soon mobile in spanish
May 13 12:09:27 <en0x> :S
May 13 12:09:35 <RagingMind> I do not see settings for it
May 13 12:09:39 <rwhitby> RagingMind: it sure would be.  when are you going to add it?
May 13 12:10:20 <RagingMind> rwhitby, my level of programming experience is "Hello World" and some data analysis in matlab
May 13 12:10:35 <rwhitby> sounds like a good foundation to me :)
May 13 12:10:40 <en0x> ;d
May 13 12:11:01 <rwhitby> seems you just don't want ssl support bad enough ... ;)
May 13 12:14:36 <rwhitby> now, time to start dissecting this webOS bug that people keep blaming on Preware ...
May 13 12:15:05 <bpadalino> first rescan after reboot issue ?
May 13 12:15:12 <rwhitby> yep
May 13 12:15:57 <rwhitby> it seems that LunaSysMgr is thinking that all the applications have been updated at that point
May 13 12:16:54 <bpadalino> a slight case of amnesia
May 13 12:20:25 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO|Zzzzz: ** (LunaSysMgr:4617): DEBUG: static bool DisplayManager::chargerCallback(LSHandle*, LSMessage*, void*): from charger - {"type":"usb","name":"pc","connected":true,"current_mA":500}
May 13 12:20:29 <rwhitby> ka6sox: ^^
May 13 12:28:10 <rwhitby> hmm - interesting
May 13 12:54:54 <Major> Morning all
May 13 12:55:27 <Major> I was wondering if anyone has looked into language packs. Mainly Hebrew
May 13 13:03:32 <en0x> PuffTheMagic: when i close a card with a channel open it don't leave the channel... after I close the connection in main window it still don't quit instead it's giving ping timeout... in wirc 0.1.0
May 13 13:11:19 <PuffTheMagic> en0x: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2449789#post2449789
May 13 13:11:35 <en0x> ;D
May 13 13:11:41 <en0x> i will just c&p
May 13 13:14:14 <Major> lol
May 13 13:14:50 <Major> en0x: hey do you know if anyone as attempted to install language pack into webOS?
May 13 13:18:59 <en0x> Major: nothing that i know of
May 13 13:20:03 <Major> en0x since webos seems to be somewhat based off of debian can we assume that it should be possible to import language packs?
May 13 13:22:26 <rwhitby> another interesting one: void ApplicationManager::scanForPendingApplications(): attempting to open directory /var/palm/data/com.palm.appInstallService/
May 13 13:25:54 <en0x> Major: i heard that translating webos is easy
May 13 13:30:22 <HattCzech_work> i haven't tried, but i will be soon
May 13 13:32:13 <swisstomcat> morning
May 13 13:35:18 <rwhitby> morning swisstomcat
May 13 13:35:30 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/245792-preware-1-x-5.html#post2449615
May 13 13:35:31 <swisstomcat> morning rwhitby
May 13 13:35:37 <swisstomcat> good job finding that!
May 13 13:35:55 <swisstomcat> i just reproduced it here
May 13 13:36:16 <swisstomcat> so it was related to a rescan after all
May 13 13:37:42 <swisstomcat> have you contacted palm or shall i contact kevin?
May 13 13:41:08 <swisstomcat> does palm ever do a rescan at some point?
May 13 13:42:30 <Lumiere> rwhitby: can you back out all of Russel08's changes to the wiki?
May 13 13:42:33 <Lumiere> (spammer)
May 13 13:43:23 <rwhitby> Lumiere: where?
May 13 13:53:15 <Lumiere> rwhitby: tutorials webos hellow world
May 13 13:53:17 <Lumiere> at the bottom
May 13 13:53:26 <Lumiere> http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Tutorials_webOS_Hello_World&curid=266&diff=9809&oldid=2202
May 13 14:17:20 <RagingMind> life is better with a kitty
May 13 14:18:56 <nt4cats> leonardo: ciao, bello!
May 13 14:19:01 <nt4cats> bellisimo?
May 13 14:19:43 <nt4cats> bel ragazzo?
May 13 14:19:53 <swisstomcat> heh
May 13 14:20:13 <leonardo> nt4cats: buongiorno (?)
May 13 14:21:13 <nt4cats> leonardo: I'm just being silly
May 13 14:21:41 <leonardo> i supposed it :)
May 13 14:27:12 <rwhitby> Lumiere: done
May 13 14:27:23 <Lumiere> thx
May 13 14:45:38 <mjkjr|wirc> trying to find the changes to wirc...
May 13 14:45:55 * mjkjr|wirc loves updates... and wirc
May 13 14:49:43 <mjkjr|wirc> connection signal/icon, timestamps, what else?
May 13 14:50:47 <en0x> mjkjr|wirc: look at the git
May 13 14:50:49 <en0x> '\
May 13 14:50:50 <en0x> ;]
May 13 14:58:20 <RagingMind> I like wirc... but when using it I ping time out way too much  :(
May 13 14:59:53 <zsoc> RagingMind: theres a new update
May 13 15:02:18 <RagingMind> if I sign on with the update and set my phone down for 10+ minutes will I still be connected?
May 13 15:03:03 <oil> i dont see why not
May 13 15:03:31 <mjkjr|wirc> will do en0x =)
May 13 15:05:44 <RagingMind> oil, cause it never has before?
May 13 15:06:27 <RagingMind> on wifi or evdo
May 13 15:07:48 <zsoc> RagingMind: on wifi i find i have to use nodoze, but evdo works fine over here
May 13 15:07:58 <zsoc> RagingMind: regardless, the new update has some sort of magical lag meter or something you can enable
May 13 15:08:47 <RagingMind> I even tried setting the preferred interface to ppp0
May 13 15:09:52 <RagingMind> hmm... after updating I can't connect to a server cause wircd isn't running
May 13 15:13:19 * Lumiere wants to patch Preware to have a real ignored vendor list
May 13 15:13:32 * Lumiere wants to ignore the hell out of PalmAgent, Inc.
May 13 15:17:49 <VincentLaw> haha
May 13 15:17:55 <VincentLaw> why even have a changelog if the changelog is:
May 13 15:18:00 <VincentLaw> "bunch of changes and updates"
May 13 15:18:07 <VincentLaw> should just be like "we did stuff, enjoy"
May 13 15:18:34 <zsoc> VincentLaw: changelog is too long in this instance because devs are lazy and didn't release updates in a reasonable manner
May 13 15:18:43 <zsoc> VincentLaw: it should say 'check the git' :P but that's not very user friendly
May 13 15:19:13 <VincentLaw> they should just say that then "so much stuff we forgot"
May 13 15:19:18 <VincentLaw> that'd at least be amusing!
May 13 15:19:19 <VincentLaw> lol
May 13 15:21:36 <nt4cats> It should say: 4 new features, 17 bugs fixed, 4 bugs we thought we fixed but didn't, plus a number of new bugs introduced.
May 13 15:22:29 <zsoc> nt4cats: that's probably more accurate
May 13 15:22:51 <VincentLaw> you forgot: 4 new features, 1 of which is broken
May 13 15:23:02 <VincentLaw> because you can't add features without one breaking
May 13 15:25:51 <Kyutwo> or "We make work better". Now that's a changelog.
May 13 15:27:50 <oil> sorry im not that funny, ill try to think harder next time i add to the changelog :)
May 13 15:28:10 <ka6sox> rwhitby, thats charger_detect.c, thats where the dragons live :D
May 13 15:29:22 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox: why did he show us a debug for the PC usb charger?
May 13 15:29:29 <RagingMind> where is the git?
May 13 15:31:41 <ka6sox> uNiXpSyChO, because he is debugging the spontaneous apps quiting and things getting hung.
May 13 15:32:02 <ka6sox> after a palm rescan
May 13 15:32:45 <ka6sox> RagingMind, git.webos-internals.org
May 13 15:34:29 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: it shows that LunaSysMgr knows about chargers
May 13 15:34:59 <uNiXpSyChO> rwhitby: yeah....  but how?  :-)
May 13 15:35:12 <rwhitby> that's the question :)
May 13 15:35:26 <rwhitby> So, when I run ApplicationInstallerUtility on a package from Palm, I get:
May 13 15:35:29 <rwhitby> ** (ApplicationInstallerUtility:10814): WARNING **: ApplicationInstaller::packageNameFromControl(): key = [Package] , value = [net.minego.freecell]
May 13 15:35:40 <rwhitby> but when I run it on one of our packages, I get:
May 13 15:35:49 <rwhitby> ** (ApplicationInstallerUtility:10738): WARNING **: ApplicationInstaller::packageNameFromControl(): error: result status is 1 , error code = 512
May 13 15:36:00 <uNiXpSyChO> that isnt good
May 13 15:36:26 <rwhitby> and that's what's stopping me being able to install packages without having to call rescan
May 13 15:36:35 <ka6sox> there are a bunch of printk's in that routine
May 13 15:44:52 <ka6sox> rwhitby, I think that lunasysmanager watches: cat /sys/devices/platform/usb_gadget/current_mA (thank you uNiXpSyChO for finding it) and has debug compiled into it.
May 13 15:48:15 <ka6sox> there is no interrupt code in there so its gotta be polled.
May 13 15:48:55 <uNiXpSyChO> and of course it makes no mention of 700mA :-(
May 13 15:49:41 <ka6sox> well, the charger_detection module doesn't know about 700mA
May 13 15:50:14 <ka6sox> it watches D+ and D- for activity and the USB gadget event.
May 13 15:52:31 <ka6sox> interesting that they have the means to detect a 700mA charger but they still call it 500mA
May 13 15:53:11 <uNiXpSyChO> where?  all i saw was code saying if mA was out of range assume usb charger.
May 13 15:54:32 <ka6sox> http://webos-internals.pastebin.com/zdzW1jMS
May 13 15:54:51 <ka6sox> it has to do with watching the USB D+ and D- lines
May 13 15:54:58 <ka6sox> (and seeing no pullups)
May 13 15:55:07 <ka6sox> they need to be grounded in a charger.
May 13 15:56:14 <ka6sox> they set that value
May 13 15:56:37 <uNiXpSyChO> right... thats the code i was referring to.
May 13 15:56:55 <uNiXpSyChO> so it almost seems like they cant read the inductive charging from there
May 13 15:56:57 <ka6sox> 0 no charger, 500 something coming in on the USB port, 1000 not coming in on the USB port.
May 13 15:58:02 <uNiXpSyChO> hence why i was under the assumption all this time about the touchstone not using usb drivers but maybe w1.
May 13 15:59:38 <ka6sox> well everything in charger_detection is related to the USB port. nothing is about the TS
May 13 16:00:30 <ka6sox> that code doesn't look @ any real current measurement device
May 13 16:00:56 <ka6sox> it just looks at pins and events on the USB connector.
May 13 16:01:42 * ka6sox heads into the DS2784 part to see what dragons live there.
May 13 16:05:40 <uNiXpSyChO> good luck.  thats where i failed miserably
May 13 16:07:03 <VincentLaw> okay I'm coming into this discussion knowing nothing
May 13 16:07:08 <VincentLaw> so just yell at me if I'm retarded
May 13 16:07:30 <VincentLaw> but is it possible that it's just detecting another state of charging from the usb? like as if the charge from the touchstone is routed through the power pins of the usb?
May 13 16:07:47 <halfhalo_T400> fffffffffff
May 13 16:07:53 <uNiXpSyChO> from my debugging TS uses nothing near the usb drivers
May 13 16:08:04 <uNiXpSyChO> i suspect w1 subsystem
May 13 16:08:05 <halfhalo_T400> there is a cord in the way of the mini's hd and I cant find how to remove it safely
May 13 16:08:25 <VincentLaw> uNiXpSyChO: ah okay. *shrug* worth a thought lol
May 13 16:08:55 <uNiXpSyChO> VincentLaw: if you can figure out ds2784 registers then you're welcome to help us.
May 13 16:09:02 <uNiXpSyChO> hehe
May 13 16:09:27 <VincentLaw> I don't even know what the ds2784 /is/ so... anything I would find would be redundant to you :P
May 13 16:09:41 <uNiXpSyChO> the DS2784 has some battery and charger logic so it may be the culprit.
May 13 16:09:56 <VincentLaw> ah
May 13 16:10:09 <ka6sox> well, it has to be the LACK of an event from the USB charger detection + something from the w1_ds2784 that detects the TS.
May 13 16:10:46 <VincentLaw> ka6sox: well the reason I brought it up for USB is there's potentially 3 charge states, as opposed to what people normally consider of 2
May 13 16:10:48 <ka6sox> I haven't looked into the ds2784 code yet so I'm not sure.
May 13 16:10:52 <uNiXpSyChO> ka6sox: that is correct.  i assume a register changes
May 13 16:11:22 <VincentLaw> 1. Power + data. Your usual USB connection.   2. Power with data pins shorted. Your usual charging situation.    3. My idea: Power with data completely missing, not shorted. = touchstone
May 13 16:11:29 <ka6sox> VincentLaw, yes, a charger with NO Data, A USB Charger (HOST) and nothing.
May 13 16:11:29 <VincentLaw> but I assume that's useless idea
May 13 16:11:30 <uNiXpSyChO> the ds2784 code looks simular to the usb charger/battery code.
May 13 16:12:32 <VincentLaw> obviously a good way to test that would be to make a charging cable without the shorted data pins
May 13 16:12:49 <Kyutwo> is it just me or does the camera app act funky with screenstate profiles?
May 13 16:15:55 <ka6sox> uNiXpSyChO,                "charge-termination"
May 13 16:16:10 <ka6sox> thats from the W1_ds2784 chip.
May 13 16:16:42 <ka6sox> bbiaf
May 13 16:16:59 <Volcom45> there any release notes for this new wIRC update?
May 13 16:18:47 <HattCzech> i thought the new wIRC was going to have a c-based service (so no wIRCd)
May 13 16:18:51 <HattCzech> i guess i was wrong?
May 13 16:21:31 <zsoc> HattCzech: wircd /is/ a c service
May 13 16:21:47 <zsoc> HattCzech: at some point in the future, it will be a combined package like preware/saverestore/zcorder is
May 13 16:21:57 <HattCzech> my apologies, i meant as in only 1 thing to install... not wIRC and wIRCd
May 13 16:22:06 <HattCzech> yeah, okay
May 13 16:27:00 <Volcom45> oil :)
May 13 16:27:27 <Volcom45> was just asking if there wereany release notes for what's new in wirc update
May 13 16:27:33 <oilsworkn> there is
May 13 16:27:35 <oilsworkn> "lots of stuff"
May 13 16:28:01 <oilsworkn> :)
May 13 16:28:10 <rwhitby> now that's interesting.  ApplicationInstallerUtility likes the preware .ipk file when run on the emulator
May 13 16:28:11 <oilsworkn> maybe ill spend the time to boil down a changelog
May 13 16:29:59 <Volcom45> hehe ya I saw the lots of stuff :P
May 13 16:31:29 <oilsworkn> if you feel like boiling the git log down to a change log and posting it in the wirc thread, that would be awesome :)
May 13 16:31:30 <oilsworkn> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=shortlog
May 13 16:33:11 <Volcom45> wow that's huge
May 13 16:33:26 <Volcom45> no wonder you went with "lots" hehe
May 13 16:34:19 <Volcom45> I was hoping it would like my uno bot but it still struggles lol
May 13 16:34:59 <oilsworkn> well it doesnt help puff has commits like "add a comment" :)
May 13 16:35:06 <oilsworkn> or "woooooooooooooooo"
May 13 16:35:15 <oilsworkn> "fix typeo"
May 13 16:35:16 <oilsworkn> xD
May 13 16:35:17 <Volcom45> lol
May 13 16:39:42 <oilsworkn> well ill post a change log, and just lump all his changes under "moved from single subscription to multiple subscriptions per connection"
May 13 16:40:05 <VincentLaw> I am actually condensing it
May 13 16:40:18 <oilsworkn> ok
May 13 16:40:30 <oilsworkn> if you pastebin before you post it, ill let ya know if i think you're missing anything
May 13 16:43:56 <ConfusedVorlon> hi all. Another pre fan told me that there were some patches/homebrew to do tethering using the new system demons. I can't find anything though. Any hints?
May 13 16:44:05 <ConfusedVorlon> (I'm in the uk, so can't get mobilehotspot normally)
May 13 16:44:26 <swisstomcat> freetether?
May 13 16:44:31 <VincentLaw> oilsworkn: Post it? I wouldn't know where to post, unless you mean the wiki :P
May 13 16:44:39 <oilsworkn> that works
May 13 16:45:09 <VincentLaw> but yeah I'll pastebin
May 13 16:45:18 <VincentLaw> already got the new and improved done, working on fixes now
May 13 16:47:40 <ConfusedVorlon> swisstomcat: where would I find freetether? - i can find freetetherd in preware, but not freetether...
May 13 16:49:26 <phil_bw> well would you look at that, never seen Rob around here :P
May 13 16:49:56 <ConfusedVorlon> phil_bw: me? I do pop in occasionally...
May 13 16:50:19 <phil_bw> ah, haven't seen ya before (then again I'm not around this early all that often)
May 13 16:53:46 <ConfusedVorlon> any ideas on freetether? Should it be in preware?
May 13 16:54:25 <zsoc> ConfusedVorlon: it's in the testing feed
May 13 16:55:55 <PuffTheMagic> people are still using freetether?
May 13 16:56:09 <phil_bw> I used to use MyTether (the donation version) but haven't in a while and have heard all sorts of mixed results
May 13 16:58:28 <ConfusedVorlon> zsoc: I do have the testing feed turned on - but no sign. Am I missing something?
May 13 17:00:05 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: i use it. it works for enabling ipforwarding with no shell access
May 13 17:00:20 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: then what?
May 13 17:00:30 <oilsworkn> then they use mobilehotspot
May 13 17:01:14 <HattCzech> works pretty well
May 13 17:01:23 <HattCzech> (i also use it)
May 13 17:02:27 <oilsworkn> and i can confirm its in the testing feed
May 13 17:02:36 <oilsworkn> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/Packages
May 13 17:02:38 <oilsworkn> last package
May 13 17:03:24 <VincentLaw> one question oil
May 13 17:03:42 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: then what? then i plug it into a computer with usbnet enabled and it just works?
May 13 17:03:54 <VincentLaw> what's "subscriptions"? from what I can see in the code, that doesn't seem to be a user-facing feature or anything. I'm going to leave it out if it isn't
May 13 17:04:17 <oilsworkn> its not user-facing
May 13 17:04:19 <oilsworkn> its all inside
May 13 17:04:21 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: is that a question or a statement?
May 13 17:04:28 <oilsworkn> instead of there just being one callback, there is many
May 13 17:04:32 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: a statement. you asked what i do with it
May 13 17:04:34 <VincentLaw> oilsworkn: alright thought so. Pastebin'ing now
May 13 17:04:42 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: but u ended with a ?
May 13 17:04:48 <PuffTheMagic> so it sounds like u dont know the answer
May 13 17:04:53 <zsoc> i do that sometimes
May 13 17:05:00 <oilsworkn> sometimes?
May 13 17:05:00 <PuffTheMagic> so its a statement
May 13 17:05:03 <PuffTheMagic> lol
May 13 17:05:45 <HattCzech> will usb tethering work without configuring it? i remember i had configured it before to use specific IPs, but i've doctored since then
May 13 17:05:54 <VincentLaw> http://webos.pastebin.com/MTXDhzU5 <- oilsworkn
May 13 17:06:28 <zsoc> HattCzech: wfm
May 13 17:07:14 <oilsworkn> looks complete to me
May 13 17:07:24 <HattCzech> okay, i just may get a different IP than expected, but that's not a problem
May 13 17:08:07 <VincentLaw> oilsworkn: okay, I'll plop it in the wiki. Not sure if you want to update the preware app description?
May 13 17:08:18 <oilsworkn> i can't do that from here
May 13 17:09:32 <VincentLaw> I can't do it at all, at least I've never do it :P
May 13 17:09:40 <VincentLaw> *done it
May 13 17:09:54 <oilsworkn> its in the makefile for wirc/d in build.git
May 13 17:13:29 <mumbles> anyone know how to set the e-mail send/receve to something like evey 12 hours?
May 13 17:15:34 <mumbles> i think i have it sorted now
May 13 17:17:27 <VincentLaw> oilsworkn: I don't have that sort of access anyway unless I'm mistaken :P
May 13 17:17:40 <VincentLaw> but I did update the wiki page
May 13 17:17:47 <oilsworkn> good enough for me
May 13 17:17:50 <ConfusedVorlon> thanks - turns out I just entered the feed incorectly
May 13 17:17:50 <oilsworkn> thanks :)
May 13 17:19:22 <phil_bw> so Rob how's WebOS been treating you from a developers point of view?
May 13 17:22:27 <ConfusedVorlon> hi phil - web os is ok. I really like the pre - use it as my main device.
May 13 17:22:36 <ConfusedVorlon> sales aren't great, but they're not nothing either
May 13 17:22:48 <phil_bw> yeah I kind of feel the same way
May 13 17:23:22 <phil_bw> love the Pre as my phone, but I've just not had the same drive to write apps for it because of most devs sales figures (unless you write 3d games)
May 13 17:24:19 * oilsworkn writes apps because he wants to see his main phone do new things, not because he wants to be rich
May 13 17:25:19 <phil_bw> well I don't want to be rich, would just like to pay the various hosting bills and whatnot, I actually spend more time working on the X stuff to make my phone do new things :)
May 13 17:38:25 <BeeRad> is rwhitby around or has he left for vacation already?
May 13 17:38:41 <swisstomcat> he just went to bed
May 13 17:38:56 <oilsworkn> swisstomcat tucked him in?
May 13 17:39:10 <swisstomcat> actually, i just tucked my son in
May 13 17:39:15 <oilsworkn> lol
May 13 17:39:29 <swisstomcat> adora!
May 13 17:39:57 <BeeRad> Hey Lisa!
May 13 17:41:03 <BeeRad> Ok, well I need some advice then. I dropped my Pre....AGAIN. Its trashed. Im getting a new one. Other than Palms backup, what can I do to save all my Homebrew files, settings, etc?
May 13 17:41:16 <oilsworkn> saverestore
May 13 17:41:22 <swisstomcat> you could use save/restore
May 13 17:41:39 <BeeRad> oilsworkin: I have it and working.
May 13 17:41:46 <Marajin> I have actually stopped using my pre as my main phone =/
May 13 17:41:49 <oilsworkn> usb the data folder off
May 13 17:41:54 <BeeRad> Ok.
May 13 17:42:02 <BeeRad> Then dump it back?
May 13 17:42:11 <oilsworkn> to new pre, yes
May 13 17:42:17 <BeeRad> Cool, thanks.
May 13 17:42:26 <en0x> Marajin: y so?
May 13 17:43:20 <BeeRad> My legit excuse for dropping my Pre twice (before never having dropped ANY phone of mine) is because I USE and PLAY with this phone more than any other phone. Im addicted to it.
May 13 17:44:19 <chrisa> I've skipped mine across a parking lot
May 13 17:44:22 <chrisa> It bounces pretty well
May 13 17:45:18 <Solix> hehe
May 13 17:45:38 <Marajin> en0x: I got a 1ghz snapdragon based android phone and although it has software issues and lacks a hardware keyboard.. they're fixable
May 13 17:45:46 <Marajin> and that WSVGA screen is luffly
May 13 17:46:02 <chrisa> How is lacking a hardware keyboard 'fixable'?
May 13 17:46:12 <chrisa> Get some duct tape bob, lets do this shit
May 13 17:46:18 <Solix> bt
May 13 17:46:19 <Marajin> to be fair, that is the one point I can't easily solve
May 13 17:46:38 <Marajin> although with a decent device, and good touch sensitivity, touchscreen keyboards are acceptable and usable
May 13 17:47:16 <Marajin> Although in all honesty even with a good keyboarded device I ultimately found I do very little bulk text entry
May 13 17:47:20 <KEYofR> I was wondering if the huge evo screen wouldn't translate to an actually not too terrible soft keyboard.
May 13 17:47:54 <Marajin> at 10-12" it's possible to touchtype on a multitouch screen I found with my tablet PC
May 13 17:48:03 <Marajin> you can do it at 4ish inch as a 'thumboard' though
May 13 17:48:48 <VincentLaw> everyone who has tried the evo's keyboard says it's pretty much the best onscreen keyboard out there next to the iphone's
May 13 17:48:54 <Marajin> irony is my tablet has a full sized keyboard anyway
May 13 17:49:36 <Marajin> VincentLaw: aye, the iphone/ipod touch keyboard's not bad in portrait at 3", one of the reasons that it's acceptable that the ipad has no hardware keyboard
May 13 17:50:00 <Marajin> it's not ideal in portrait at 3".. by any means
May 13 17:50:03 <Marajin> but it's "usable"
May 13 17:50:10 <Marajin> for low use entry
May 13 17:50:39 <KEYofR> I just want the real keyboard because I don't want the keyboard eating up the screen space.
May 13 17:51:30 <Marajin> KEYofR: A fair point, diminished slightly in larger and high resolution devices, as you have the estate to spare..
May 13 17:51:46 <VincentLaw> as dumb as this post is, it's the first time I've seen the palm blog link to a homebrew item (a theme on precentral): http://blog.palm.com/palm/2010/05/spacebar-the-final-frontier.html
May 13 17:52:09 <Marajin> at 854x480 it's acceptable as you still get a fair amount of text visible above the softkeys
May 13 17:52:27 <KEYofR> also for tactile. you have to look to use a screen keyboard, and my lack of invisible thumbs gets annoying.
May 13 17:52:46 <Marajin> That's a per-person thing
May 13 17:52:52 <Marajin> I have little trouble with muscle memory
May 13 17:53:46 <Marajin> probably because I forced myself to touchtype on dvorak and qwerty concurrently
May 13 17:54:30 <Marajin> so within a day or two I tend to instinctively remember very precise positioning for softkeys.
May 13 17:55:41 <Marajin> anyway, don't get me wrong.. I liked my pre, I still use it/carry it daily as a work phone
May 13 17:55:49 <Marajin> I just ceased using it as my main device
May 13 17:56:53 <Marajin> also, <3 the android wifi analyser software.. graphing out signal overlap for visible APs turns out to be quite useful
May 13 17:57:08 <Marajin> I wonder if there's a webos software that offers similar functionality
May 13 18:00:02 <swisstomcat> rehi
May 13 18:02:53 <yokken> hey guys, uh
May 13 18:02:58 <yokken> i sort of have a problem
May 13 18:03:16 <yokken> my phone just... randomly stopped connecting to the tower
May 13 18:03:21 <yokken> like, it just lost connection completely
May 13 18:03:23 <oilsworkn> pay your bill?
May 13 18:03:28 <yokken> just blank, not even a bars with an x through it
May 13 18:03:31 <yokken> it's paid
May 13 18:03:41 <oilsworkn> xD
May 13 18:03:49 <oilsworkn> sounds like java fail?
May 13 18:03:50 <yokken> i rebooted phone
May 13 18:03:53 <oilsworkn> is it still like that after a reboot?
May 13 18:03:54 <yokken> no dice
May 13 18:03:55 <yokken> yep
May 13 18:03:58 <yokken> AND
May 13 18:04:02 <oilsworkn> did you install anything recently?
May 13 18:04:02 <yokken> when i plug the power cable in
May 13 18:04:05 <yokken> it DRAINS the battery
May 13 18:04:06 <yokken> no
May 13 18:04:17 <yokken> i was texting fine, then sometime between 11 and 12 it fucked up
May 13 18:04:19 <yokken> brb laundry
May 13 18:04:34 * oilsworkn has no clue
May 13 18:04:50 * oilsworkn would call carrier and/or palm
May 13 18:07:00 * nt4cats just took a bunch of reasonably close-up pictures of Robert De Niro and Bradley Cooper
May 13 18:07:33 <yokken> just did a java restart via luna manager, nothin
May 13 18:07:47 <yokken> time for novaterm
May 13 18:08:28 <yokken> yep battery goes DOWN while it's plugged in
May 13 18:08:30 <yokken> cool.
May 13 18:11:19 <yokken> anddddd it doesn't have sudo either, sigh
May 13 18:12:23 <yokken> does anyone know what the hell to do? :(
May 13 18:12:44 <oilsworkn> a doctor will tell you if its hardware or software messing up
May 13 18:13:06 <yokken> i just doctored like 3 weeks ago
May 13 18:13:14 <yokken> i don't have time to do that today, i'm moving out of the dorms for the summer
May 13 18:13:38 <yokken> is there any sort of command i can run? ps x says java's running but phone says phone offline
May 13 18:13:44 * oilsworkn was just trying to give suggestions
May 13 18:13:54 <bpadalino|work> why do you need sudo when you have root ?
May 13 18:14:00 <yokken> dunno.
May 13 18:14:06 <yokken> it'd just be nice to have
May 13 18:14:21 <bpadalino|work> sounds silly to me :(
May 13 18:14:23 <Solix> bleh
May 13 18:14:28 <loot_> no point... everything runs as root on webos
May 13 18:14:32 <loot_> :P
May 13 18:14:48 <yokken> whatevs
May 13 18:14:54 <yokken> i just wanna fix my phone guys
May 13 18:15:08 <bpadalino|work> look at the logs in /var/log ?
May 13 18:16:24 <RagingMind> VincentLaw, what'd you wind up doing with that wirc changelog? the pastebin expired
May 13 18:18:48 <oilsworkn> its on the wiki page
May 13 18:19:13 <oilsworkn> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:WIRC#Changes_in_0.1.0
May 13 18:20:22 <RagingMind> thanks
May 13 18:20:39 <RagingMind> oilsworkn, I updated wIRCd at the same time I updated wIRC (fyi)
May 13 18:21:08 <oilsworkn> still getting the wircd not running thing?
May 13 18:21:34 <RagingMind> yeah,
May 13 18:21:42 <yokken> bpadalino|work: which log would i view?
May 13 18:22:00 <oilsworkn> yokken: /var/log/messages?
May 13 18:22:13 <yokken> ah i forgot i wasn't on my phone
May 13 18:22:15 <yokken> sorry
May 13 18:22:19 <yokken> rebooted, still same problem
May 13 18:22:23 <oilsworkn> RagingMind: its every time you try to connect?
May 13 18:22:28 <RagingMind> oilsworkn, I've held off on restarting just in case there was something else you guys wanted me to try
May 13 18:22:33 <RagingMind> it's every timme
May 13 18:22:43 <oilsworkn> it should work
May 13 18:22:47 <oilsworkn> try restarting
May 13 18:22:56 <oilsworkn> if that doesn't work, completely remove and reinstall wirc/wircd
May 13 18:22:57 <yokken> wow, shit
May 13 18:23:38 <yokken> internalAlarmFired
May 13 18:24:05 <yokken> sorry for the incoming  spam
May 13 18:24:06 <yokken> 2010-05-13T17:27:20.489715Z [188] palm-webos-device user.err TelephonyInterfaceLayerCdma: {TIL.LOG}: TID:375ff490 TILUtilSendAndReceiveResponse ERROR=modemlinkerror TILSendRequest Failed
May 13 18:24:07 <yokken> 2010-05-13T17:27:20.490264Z [188] palm-webos-device user.err TelephonyInterfaceLayerCdma: {TIL.LOG}: TID:375ff490 ChargeDevice ERROR=modemlinkerror TILUtilSendAndRecieveResponse failed
May 13 18:24:17 <yokken> 2010-05-13T17:27:24.455810Z [192] palm-webos-device user.err TelephonyInterfaceLayerCdma: {TIL.LOG}: TID:375ff490 TILUtilSendAndReceiveResponse ERROR=modemlinkerror TILSendRequest Failed
May 13 18:24:18 <yokken> 2010-05-13T17:27:24.456390Z [192] palm-webos-device user.err TelephonyInterfaceLayerCdma: {TIL.LOG}: TID:375ff490 GetBsInfo ERROR=modemlinkerror TILUtilSendAndRecieveResponse failed
May 13 18:24:21 <oilsworkn> pastebin
May 13 18:24:24 <yokken> yeah
May 13 18:24:44 * oilsworkn has never seen such an error
May 13 18:24:45 <yokken> balls, how would i get the entire thing via terminal? :S
May 13 18:24:56 <yokken> it's a TON of lines
May 13 18:24:58 <oilsworkn> the entire file?
May 13 18:25:07 <yokken> well i don't need all of it i guess
May 13 18:25:08 <oilsworkn> cp /var/log/messages /media/internal/
May 13 18:25:12 <oilsworkn> usb it off
May 13 18:25:16 <yokken> ah good call
May 13 18:27:33 <yokken> 1.1MB text file
May 13 18:27:34 <yokken> ffs
May 13 18:28:58 <yokken> oilsworkn: http://pastebin.com/YNvqpX9f
May 13 18:29:08 <RMind> oilsworkn, now it works
May 13 18:29:44 <yokken> it's the same stuff over and over
May 13 18:29:52 <yokken> it honestly looks like hardware  failure
May 13 18:30:02 <oilsworkn> RMind: after a reboot?
May 13 18:30:13 <RMind> yup
May 13 18:30:18 <yokken> cause charger's screwed too
May 13 18:30:20 <oilsworkn> yokken: yeah, i dont know anything about that stuff, I just write the mojo :)
May 13 18:30:33 <yokken> lol okay
May 13 18:31:02 <RMind> oh! a little ev icon too
May 13 18:31:03 <oilsworkn> RMind: you should reply to the wirc010 bugs thread that a reboot fixed it
May 13 18:32:25 <RMind> done
May 13 18:34:00 <oilsworkn> thanks
May 13 18:34:24 <RMind> you guys are lucky that irc doesn't have photo sharing or I'd kill you all with the cuteness of my kitty
May 13 18:34:44 <chrisa> Are the kernels and govnuh still only in the alpha feed?
May 13 18:34:45 <yokken> i guess it's doctor time... :(
May 13 18:35:21 <yokken> and... it disappeared... somewhere...
May 13 18:35:39 <yokken> found.
May 13 18:35:47 <oilsworkn> chrisa: i believe they made it to the main feed
May 13 18:35:50 <oilsworkn> i could be completely wrong though
May 13 18:36:17 <yokken> sigh :(
May 13 18:36:33 <yokken> 2010-05-13T18:14:37.290069Z [90] palm-webos-device user.crit TelephonyInterfaceLayerCdma: {TIL.LOG}: TID:36dff490 handleHllRequest !!!Modem LINK error!!!
May 13 18:36:43 <yokken> 2010-05-13T18:14:37.291076Z [90] palm-webos-device user.err TelephonyInterfaceLayerCdma: {TIL.LOG}: TID:35578090 StartService ERROR=failure Hardware Power on failed to communicate to Radio
May 13 18:36:49 <yokken> so... the radio isn't getting power?
May 13 18:37:06 <chrisa> Is this after a clean boot?
May 13 18:37:13 <yokken> yep
May 13 18:37:15 <yokken> palm-webos-device user.info powerd: {powerd}: CHG_LOGIC: Turning charging off because of charge state is idle
May 13 18:37:24 <yokken> it wasn't
May 13 18:37:26 <yokken> lol
May 13 18:37:35 <chrisa> That message is often misunderstood
May 13 18:37:37 <yokken> it couldn't get the MEID
May 13 18:37:42 <yokken> which message
May 13 18:37:46 <chrisa> The powerd one
May 13 18:37:51 <yokken> oh that's fine
May 13 18:37:55 <yokken> but it's not at 100%
May 13 18:37:58 <RagingMind> yokken, you're UofMN?
May 13 18:37:58 <yokken> so it shouldn't turn it off
May 13 18:38:01 <yokken> yeah RagingMind
May 13 18:38:05 <yokken> morris
May 13 18:38:19 <yokken> BUT coming home today
May 13 18:38:34 <RagingMind> *waves from the warehouse district*
May 13 18:38:40 <yokken> TC?
May 13 18:39:02 <RagingMind> i'm right in DT Mpls
May 13 18:39:05 <yokken> nice
May 13 18:39:10 <yokken> is anyone here good with PHP
May 13 18:39:18 <yokken> i have to fix this session shit in 10 minutes
May 13 18:39:56 <chrisa> yokken: I'm saying you're both misunderstanding what it's doing and why it is doing it :)
May 13 18:40:07 <yokken> enlighten me
May 13 18:40:08 <oilsworkn> session shit?
May 13 18:40:22 * oilsworkn is actually writing php right now at work xD
May 13 18:40:36 <yokken> oil, i want to change a link from log in to log out once the session is started
May 13 18:40:43 <yokken> but it only changes on login.php and logout.php
May 13 18:40:51 <yokken> do i have to put session_start() in EVERY page?
May 13 18:40:56 <oilsworkn> yes
May 13 18:40:57 <yokken> cause that would be a nic
May 13 18:40:59 <yokken> FFFFFFFFF
May 13 18:41:07 <VincentLaw> you can't detect a session without ... the session
May 13 18:41:42 <yokken> indeed
May 13 18:41:49 <VincentLaw> generally one puts session stuff in its own php file and just includes that at the beginning
May 13 18:42:40 <VincentLaw> and I just have  a switch or URI handler include whatever page was requested also.
May 13 18:42:43 <yokken> yeah that'd be cool
May 13 18:42:49 <yokken> i don't have time for it though
May 13 18:42:50 <VincentLaw> I think that's how most sites do it
May 13 18:42:56 <VincentLaw> welp
May 13 18:43:00 <VincentLaw> better get copypasta'ing
May 13 18:43:38 <oilsworkn> lolol
May 13 18:44:07 <yokken> that was an obvious fix :(
May 13 18:44:09 <yokken> oh i did
May 13 18:44:32 <VincentLaw> lazy method would just have the text say Log In/OUt
May 13 18:44:34 <VincentLaw> :P
May 13 18:44:38 <yokken> lol
May 13 18:45:01 <yokken> http://csci1101sp10.morris.umn.edu/~davi1877/project5/index.php
May 13 18:45:19 <yokken> wow, i haven't even included authentication, or checking WHO posted what...
May 13 18:45:22 <yokken> lol fuck me
May 13 18:45:30 <oilsworkn> "this owns" post is lol
May 13 18:45:31 <yokken> as in authentication to post
May 13 18:45:37 <yokken> haha yeah
May 13 18:45:43 <yokken> i got so behind
May 13 18:46:26 <yokken> ...smooth. can't post anymore
May 13 18:46:41 <VincentLaw> I think codeigniter's tutorial vid does that exact sort of thing lawl
May 13 18:46:59 <VincentLaw> of course your prof probably wouldn't approve of using a framework :P
May 13 18:47:09 <oilsworkn> or polling irc for help xD
May 13 18:48:03 * oilsworkn wonders if yokken is testing for sql injection
May 13 18:48:14 <yokken> i sanitize the inputs before doing any SQL queries
May 13 18:48:18 <yokken> i tested it
May 13 18:48:22 <yokken> i got an error
May 13 18:48:27 <oilsworkn> lol
May 13 18:48:33 <VincentLaw> yes but how are you sanitizing? :P
May 13 18:49:34 <yokken> phew okay fixed
May 13 18:49:36 <yokken> uhhh
May 13 18:49:38 <yokken> what's the cmd
May 13 18:50:03 <oilsworkn> cmd?
May 13 18:50:05 <yokken> mysql_real_escape_string
May 13 18:50:15 <VincentLaw> there's a lot of people who think that: if($_POST['username'] === "'; DROP DB";) {die('wtf hax')}
May 13 18:50:25 <yokken> lol
May 13 18:50:25 <VincentLaw> is sanitized
May 13 18:50:34 <yokken> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exploits_of_a_mom.png
May 13 18:50:51 <oilsworkn> you know, i thought about posting that
May 13 18:50:51 <oilsworkn> haha
May 13 18:50:54 <yokken> lovesit
May 13 18:51:35 <yokken> so.... my phone immediately after doctoring and booting up
May 13 18:51:40 <yokken> i just have a spinning wheel thing.
May 13 18:51:52 <yokken> sweet
May 13 18:51:57 <yokken> looks like i'm getting a new pre
May 13 18:52:11 <yokken> AND it's not because of the scratches on it either
May 13 18:52:36 <yokken> k later guys
May 13 18:52:47 <yokk`afk> by the way
May 13 18:52:50 * oilsworkn is runnin on replacement pre
May 13 18:52:56 <yokk`afk> PLEASE don't find an exploit and fuck up my site before i present it to my prof
May 13 18:52:58 <yokk`afk> please.
May 13 18:52:58 <yokk`afk> lol
May 13 18:53:00 <oilsworkn> got it monday
May 13 18:53:05 <oilsworkn> haha
May 13 18:53:09 * oilsworkn wont mess with it
May 13 18:53:10 <VincentLaw> yokk`afk: sounds like a challenge
May 13 18:53:12 * nt4cats wishes he could replace his pre with a pre plus
May 13 18:53:15 <nt4cats> (on Sprint)
May 13 18:53:20 <yokk`afk> bbl
May 13 18:53:30 <oilsworkn> nt4cats: if i could have, i would, for sure
May 13 18:53:41 <oilsworkn> but im just waiting for next hardware
May 13 18:53:44 <oilsworkn> and will switch to it
May 13 18:53:47 <VincentLaw> what if I subsequently find the exploit, edit the PHP files using said exploit, and then fix the exploit? :D
May 13 18:53:54 <oilsworkn> hahaha
May 13 18:54:08 <nt4cats> let's replace his site with a clone of angelfire
May 13 18:54:18 <nt4cats> ... or GeoCities
May 13 18:54:27 <nt4cats> ... or Prodigy!
May 13 18:54:49 <oilsworkn> replace it with pictures of cats saying funny things like they're people
May 13 18:55:16 * oilsworkn wonders what kind of class it is where that is the homework
May 13 18:55:37 <VincentLaw> http://wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/content.php?theme=2&music=9&url=webos-internals.org <--- GEOCITIES
May 13 18:55:47 * nt4cats rarely did homework in high school / college ... thus my stellar GPA
May 13 18:56:12 <oilsworkn> well if i had classes like that i would have maybe tried more
May 13 18:56:17 <chrisa> GPA doesn't matter after you've had a single job
May 13 18:56:42 <oilsworkn> we had a computer class that was a complete joke
May 13 18:56:58 <oilsworkn> the teacher wasn't there and we had a sub for the first 4 weeks of class
May 13 18:57:07 <oilsworkn> unable to set us up accounts to use the computers, we did nothing
May 13 18:57:20 <oilsworkn> till i showed everyone how to f8 into selective startup
May 13 18:57:24 <oilsworkn> and say no to some things
May 13 18:57:28 <oilsworkn> and get on the computers without it
May 13 18:57:31 <oilsworkn> got suspended for that
May 13 18:58:08 <oilsworkn> that was no good
May 13 18:58:30 <VincentLaw> I spent most of my high school finding ways around the school's filter
May 13 18:58:36 <VincentLaw> since we all had laptops
May 13 18:58:53 <oilsworkn> around school filter was as easy as a proxy server at my school
May 13 18:58:58 <VincentLaw> first it was easy, using proxies
May 13 18:59:02 <VincentLaw> then they started shutting ports down
May 13 18:59:05 <oilsworkn> lol
May 13 18:59:08 <oilsworkn> they never did that
May 13 18:59:10 <oilsworkn> at my school
May 13 18:59:12 <oilsworkn> well, maybe now they have
May 13 18:59:21 <VincentLaw> couldn't even log into AIM without changing the port to 443
May 13 18:59:25 * oilsworkn goes to lunch
May 13 19:29:24 <yokken> so my pre gave me the error
May 13 19:29:33 <yokken> "your phone is experiencing an error that cannot be revoled."
May 13 19:29:36 <yokken> *resolved
May 13 19:29:39 <yokken> hw error big time.
May 13 19:30:59 <oil> lol
May 13 19:31:04 <oil> hope you got insurance
May 13 19:31:43 <yokken> uhh
May 13 19:31:48 <yokken> doesn't sprint replace it for free
May 13 19:31:55 <yokken> or is that only in the first 30 days
May 13 19:33:34 <chrisa> The first generation ones they replace pretty readily
May 13 19:33:38 <chrisa> Not sure about later
May 13 19:33:42 <yokken> it's a first gen
May 13 19:33:46 <yokken> sort of
May 13 19:33:54 <yokken> i think i got it in like mid-to-late september
May 13 19:33:55 <oil> i JUST replaced my original pre
May 13 19:34:03 <oil> and it was $100 deposit for the new one
May 13 19:34:11 <yokken> for your first one?
May 13 19:34:15 <oil> yes
May 13 19:34:20 <oil> the slider thing was broken
May 13 19:34:22 <nt4cats> My phone is first gen ... it has intermittent headphone issues.  I wonder if they'll replace it
May 13 19:34:22 <yokken> yeah i paid $100 deposit for that too
May 13 19:34:30 <oil> pieces of metal hanging over the keyboard
May 13 19:34:53 <oil> nt4cats: the replacement pre doesnt have any of those problems
May 13 19:35:00 <oil> my first one did though
May 13 19:35:01 <nt4cats> (I got mine 12-June-2009 ... it is hard to have a Pre much older than that ...)
May 13 19:36:38 <yokken> just called the store i bought it at
May 13 19:36:53 <yokken> he said they'd have to have me leave it there for an hour or so and see if they can fix it
May 13 19:37:06 <yokken> and if not then they would probably replace it, but they'd "have to take a look at my account"
May 13 19:37:13 <RMind> yay! I'm still connected!
May 13 19:37:14 <yokken> i don't know what there is to look for
May 13 19:37:27 <oil> i went into the store i bought mine from and they gave me a card with a number on it to call
May 13 19:37:40 <yokken> how long were you without a phone
May 13 19:37:49 <oil> i wasnt
May 13 19:37:55 <DrFunk> oil sup
May 13 19:38:00 <yokken> wat
May 13 19:38:06 <oil> hey
May 13 19:38:16 <yokken> how long did it take for you to get a new phone
May 13 19:38:17 <oil> yokken: i called and they overnighted the replacement
May 13 19:38:21 <oil> i moved my shit to the new one
May 13 19:38:22 <yokken> :O
May 13 19:38:24 <oil> and send in the old one
May 13 19:38:31 <yokken> that simple huh?
May 13 19:38:34 <yokken> is return postage paid?
May 13 19:38:40 <oil> yeah
May 13 19:38:47 <oil> just put it in a pouch and dropped it in the mail
May 13 19:39:04 <yokken> cool
May 13 19:39:17 <yokken> what # was it, like palm official or sprint official or what
May 13 19:39:28 <DrFunk> I have a ? on preware I'm trying to update luna manger but its won't work any ideas ?
May 13 19:39:55 <RamsesFSFE> DrFunk: same problem here
May 13 19:40:21 <DrFunk> ok so its not me than
May 13 19:40:32 <yokken> just uninstall and reinstall
May 13 19:40:38 <yokken> my luna manager was a bitch too
May 13 19:40:51 <yokken> but preware has a luna manager in it
May 13 19:40:55 <RamsesFSFE> yokken: that's ridiculous, isn't it?
May 13 19:41:11 <yokken> wat?
May 13 19:41:32 <RamsesFSFE> uninstall and reinstall. Installers should work
May 13 19:41:46 <oil> lol
May 13 19:41:57 <yokken> i'm just afraid they're going to see the few scuff i have on my phone and be like
May 13 19:42:08 <yokken> YOU DROPPED IT YOU BROKE THE RADIO IT'S YOUR FAULT NO REPLACING FOR YOU
May 13 19:42:13 <oil> lol
May 13 19:42:31 <oil> if you call, nobody looks at it till they get it a week later
May 13 19:42:31 <yokken> when, i haven't dropped it in like 3 months and the radio was working fine at 10:30am today and NOT at 11:30am today
May 13 19:42:44 <yokken> is it sprint corporate or palm corporate
May 13 19:42:57 <DrFunk> yokken: still nothing
May 13 19:43:05 <yokken> that'd be sick if they sent a pre plus that was able to connect to sprint
May 13 19:43:09 <oil> yokken: its the insurance company
May 13 19:43:09 <yokken> haha
May 13 19:43:15 <yokken> ...but i don't have insurance
May 13 19:43:19 <oil> oh
May 13 19:43:22 <oil> idk about that then
May 13 19:43:26 <yokken> i have to bring it into the store
May 13 19:43:27 <oil> whatever a new phone costs xD
May 13 19:43:28 <DrFunk> I uninstalled luna but keeps getting stick @ package manger services
May 13 19:43:33 <yokken> they're going to say it, i know they will
May 13 19:43:38 <yokken> i'm not coughing up $600 for a new phone
May 13 19:43:41 <HattCzech> hey oil, do you know of a way to get a new one without the $100 payment?
May 13 19:43:42 <yokken> i will fight this shit to the death
May 13 19:43:54 <oil> if i did i wouldnt have paid the $100
May 13 19:43:57 <oil> i just went along with it
May 13 19:44:01 <yokken> wait, you have to pay a $100 deposit on the REPLACEMENT TOO?
May 13 19:44:08 <HattCzech> do you still have to pay when it's a hardware failure?
May 13 19:44:09 <DrFunk> yokken: any idea
May 13 19:44:22 <HattCzech> (btw, i do have the insurance)
May 13 19:44:25 <yokken> drfunk, i don't, i'm sorry
May 13 19:44:34 <DrFunk> ackkkkk
May 13 19:44:34 <yokken> can i ADD insurance and THEN bring it in?
May 13 19:44:40 <DrFunk> yes
May 13 19:44:42 <oil> yokken: lol, idk
May 13 19:44:44 <yokken> oh ima do that then
May 13 19:44:45 <DrFunk> wait a week
May 13 19:44:49 <yokken> uhh
May 13 19:44:54 <oil> maybe its different for "failure"
May 13 19:44:55 <yokken> i can't be without a phone for a week
May 13 19:44:57 <oil> mine just "broke"
May 13 19:45:02 <oil> due to weak parts
May 13 19:45:03 <yokken> mine literally just failed
May 13 19:45:05 <oil> or overuse, idk
May 13 19:45:09 <DrFunk> oil: what do you mean broke
May 13 19:45:10 <yokken> the radio just stopped working
May 13 19:45:22 <HattCzech> oil, _I_ would consider that hardware, but maybe sprint doesn't
May 13 19:45:25 <oil> i mean the metal pieces for the slider being disconnected and dangling infront of the keyboard
May 13 19:45:36 <DrFunk> lmfao
May 13 19:45:39 <idw2k|wirc> if it's a hardware failure it should be covered under warranty. no deposit or anything.
May 13 19:45:41 <DrFunk> sorry oil
May 13 19:45:48 <HattCzech> that's crap that you had to pay the $100 for that
May 13 19:46:04 <yokken> i can't add total equipment protection
May 13 19:46:13 <yokken> i can only check roadside, roaming, or data worldwide
May 13 19:46:23 <DrFunk> oil: I did the update for wirc anyway to copy and paste ?
May 13 19:46:24 <yokken> but protection is visible, just not checkable
May 13 19:46:38 <HattCzech> i think you can only add TEP within 30 days (and i think they allowed it to be added in march or something)
May 13 19:46:53 <yokken> sigh
May 13 19:46:56 <idw2k|wirc> yep...cant go back and add insurance later
May 13 19:47:25 <yokken> and my girlfriend's just being annoying as fuck
May 13 19:47:27 <yokken> sigh
May 13 19:47:49 <DrFunk> yokken: punch her
May 13 19:47:53 <HattCzech> annoying how?
May 13 19:48:05 <HattCzech> lol DrFunk, then he'd have no more gf
May 13 19:48:18 <DrFunk> owell oneway to get rid of her
May 13 19:48:24 <HattCzech> hahah
May 13 19:48:50 <yokken> k packing up
May 13 19:48:52 <yokken> leaving college
May 13 19:48:53 <yokken> l8r guys
May 13 19:48:56 <oil> lol
May 13 19:48:59 <oil> later
May 13 19:49:08 <DrFunk> oil: you see my ?
May 13 19:49:13 <oil> no?
May 13 19:49:17 <oil> oh
May 13 19:49:19 <oil> copy paste
May 13 19:49:22 <oil> not yet
May 13 19:49:23 <DrFunk> yes
May 13 19:49:27 <DrFunk> ackkkkk
May 13 19:49:29 <DrFunk> ok
May 13 19:49:35 <DrFunk> I would love that
May 13 19:49:52 <DrFunk> what about logs ?
May 13 19:50:02 <oil> none of that
May 13 19:50:33 <idw2k|wirc> ugh. sprint is telling me I have to go to a service center to flash sprint nav
May 13 19:50:50 <idw2k|wirc> there has to be a way to do it from here
May 13 19:51:27 <DrFunk> ok
May 13 19:51:37 <DrFunk> can someone help me with preware
May 13 19:52:09 <DrFunk> I still can't get my luna manger to update its just sits there @ the package manger part
May 13 19:52:18 <oil> remove luna manager
May 13 19:52:20 <oil> reinstall
May 13 19:52:26 <en0x> anyone from here is working for IBM?
May 13 19:52:45 <DrFunk> oil: did that still sits there
May 13 19:52:50 <oil> ok
May 13 19:52:53 <oil> remove luna manager
May 13 19:52:57 <oil> close preware
May 13 19:53:00 <oil> open preware
May 13 19:53:01 <oil> update list
May 13 19:53:05 <oil> install luna manager
May 13 19:53:33 <DrFunk> got ya
May 13 19:53:37 <DrFunk> will try now
May 13 19:53:49 * DrFunk needs a beer
May 13 19:55:01 * DrFunk passes oil a beer thanks dude
May 13 19:55:13 * oil puts it in fridge
May 13 19:56:25 <en0x> why u need luna manager? isn't it integrated in preware?
May 13 19:56:30 <oil> it is
May 13 19:56:34 <oil> people like the standalone though
May 13 19:56:39 <oil> dont have to wait for preware to load packages
May 13 19:57:16 <en0x> true
May 13 19:57:20 <DrFunk> lmfao read
May 13 19:57:26 <DrFunk> A man takes his daughter into the doctors office to have an exam.   Later the doctor comes out and says "Sir, do you know that your daughter is sexually active?"  The man replies "Nah, She just lays there like her mother"
May 13 19:57:26 <en0x> there should be an option in preware
May 13 19:57:32 <en0x> to turn off loading packages :P
May 13 19:57:48 <oil> then what good is preware
May 13 20:00:32 <DrFunk> oil: did you like that one ?
May 13 20:03:42 <HattCzech> who makes the icons for preware and other webos-internals projects?
May 13 20:03:52 <oil> DrFunk: it was.. ok?
May 13 20:03:56 <oil> HattCzech: Templarian
May 13 20:03:56 <DrFunk> err going home bbl
May 13 20:04:04 <HattCzech> okay, thought so
May 13 20:04:11 <HattCzech> Templarian: you around?
May 13 20:04:16 <DrFunk> l8r all
May 13 20:04:18 * oil made hte luna manager one
May 13 20:04:20 <HattCzech> adios
May 13 20:04:23 <oil> and the super simple patch ones
May 13 20:04:29 <oil> and the numbers in govnah xD
May 13 20:04:42 <HattCzech> what do you use to make those
May 13 20:04:43 <HattCzech> ?
May 13 20:04:57 <oil> photoshop
May 13 20:05:46 <HattCzech> i don't play with photoshop too much
May 13 20:05:53 <Templarian> HattCzech: what?
May 13 20:05:58 <HattCzech> but i want to make myself some icons
May 13 20:06:00 * oil is guessing he wants an icon
May 13 20:06:14 <HattCzech> or some tips on what to use to make some
May 13 20:06:17 * HattCzech nods
May 13 20:06:26 <Templarian> oil: be a good secretary and take down notes on said icon.
May 13 20:06:32 <oil> lol
May 13 20:06:37 * oil is no secretary
May 13 20:06:40 <HattCzech> hahaah
May 13 20:06:42 <Templarian> HattCzech: on a serious note PM me the info.
May 13 20:07:12 <HattCzech> awesome, thanks
May 13 20:07:53 <Templarian> oil: http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/4848/screenfp.png hehe.
May 13 20:08:09 <oil> whats that for?
May 13 20:08:19 <HattCzech> looks like save restore
May 13 20:09:08 <HattCzech> urg... why didn't that pop up a new tab?
May 13 20:09:19 <oil> your using ie6?
May 13 20:09:40 <HattCzech> ff 3.6
May 13 20:09:43 <oil> lol
May 13 20:10:04 <HattCzech> hahaha, i see
May 13 20:10:15 <Templarian> The contrast is wrong, but was thinking I didn't like the idea of a giant floppy still.
May 13 20:10:56 <HattCzech> does this web irc allow PMs in new "tabs" at the top?
May 13 20:11:30 <oil> yes?
May 13 21:22:55 <Solix> anyone else havin trouble updating Luna the latest?  seems to be hanging while downloading\\updating package manager services.. ?
May 13 21:23:25 <Solix> thankyou
May 13 21:26:01 <zsoc> updating... luna?
May 13 21:26:26 <Solix> yes
May 13 21:27:14 <Solix> luna MANAGER that is.
May 13 21:28:01 <Solix> v 0.0.5
May 13 21:31:18 <Puffy_wIRC> mmmm
May 13 21:31:29 <Puffy_wIRC> sexy lagmeter
May 13 21:31:38 <Solix> hehe
May 13 21:32:09 <PuffTheMagic> Puffy_wIRC pats PuffTheMagic on the back
May 13 21:32:47 <PuffTheMagic> :D
May 13 21:59:28 <Mousey> gtfo of the mexican gulf!
May 13 22:17:32 <ka6sox-work> Mousey, ping?
May 13 22:19:28 <HattCzech> oil, you around?
May 13 22:34:05 <sethron> i'm trying to update to Luna Manager v0.0.5 with Preware 1.0. seems that the Package Manager Service is not in the feeds, and is attempting to install it to remove it
May 13 22:37:00 <RamsesFSFE> sethron: yep, it's  broken
May 13 22:37:11 <RamsesFSFE> You're not the first one experiencing this
May 13 22:37:30 <sethron> ok, uninstalled luna manger with , then reins
May 13 22:37:44 <RamsesFSFE> does that work?
May 13 22:38:15 <sethron> orange tap remove Luna manager, then reinstall via Preware - solved. kinda wonky, tho
May 13 23:17:21 <scoutcamper> hi all
May 13 23:17:36 <HattCzech> hello
May 13 23:19:27 <TheSavaLord> hi everyone
May 13 23:25:08 <scoutcamper> i have the .apk of an app i would like to port to pre(i got the app via android market in the emulator for free) and was wondering if anyione knows how to do this
May 13 23:39:26 <scoutcamper> is anyone here?
May 13 23:41:38 <airmack> scoutcamper: yeap
May 13 23:42:02 <scoutcamper> is anyone arround that knows anything about android?
May 13 23:42:55 <tmzt> are you running android on your Pre or Pixi?
May 13 23:42:58 <playya> it's a linux distribution created by google
May 13 23:44:27 <scoutcamper> i am talking, does anyone here know how to make a.apk work in pre?
May 13 23:44:54 <tmzt> you could run the full emulator
May 13 23:45:14 <tmzt> otherwise you would have to port either android or make dalvik and the android apis work on webOS somehow
May 14 00:28:20 <oil> HattCzech: ?
May 14 00:37:48 <oc80z> jeesh
May 14 00:38:11 <oc80z> i think im avg 20%/hr drain
May 14 00:38:30 <oc80z> sbromwich whats good
May 14 00:38:57 <bhuey> that's horrible
May 14 00:39:19 <oc80z> seems like memory/swap drain too
May 14 00:39:24 <bhuey> turn your radio into airplane mode and let it sit there for a while to see if that drain still happens
May 14 00:39:36 <oc80z> oh , its a radio/wifi drain.
May 14 00:39:42 <bhuey> mine was doing that and doing that a couple of times helped
May 14 00:40:08 <bhuey> I also have Facebook chat, you ?
May 14 00:40:15 <oc80z> yeah ofc.
May 14 00:40:20 <bhuey> it's connected all of the time e time
May 14 00:40:24 <bhuey> oc ?
May 14 00:40:27 <bhuey> ofc ?
May 14 00:40:29 <oc80z> ofcourse.
May 14 00:40:32 <bhuey> ok
May 14 00:40:40 <oc80z> er.. same w/ aim
May 14 00:40:42 <bhuey> well, the list updates might also be taking up a lot of power as well
May 14 00:40:45 <bhuey> they change often
May 14 00:40:51 <oc80z> aim for like 2 contacts , lAIM
May 14 00:40:56 <bhuey> yeah, I have jut about all of my chat stuff connected here
May 14 00:41:04 <bhuey> just
May 14 00:41:09 <oc80z> should be ok imo
May 14 00:41:45 <bhuey> yeah, just turn that off and see what happens
May 14 00:41:54 <bhuey>  also turn off the IM and see how the drain goes
May 14 00:42:05 <bhuey> you can just set it to being offline and it'll stop the IM stuff some updating
May 14 00:42:13 <bhuey> some=from
May 14 00:43:49 <oc80z> hmmph
May 14 00:44:02 <oc80z> i have a feeling its facebook & facebook beta
May 14 00:44:30 * oc80z nukes the beta
May 14 00:44:39 <rwhitby> morning
May 14 00:44:47 <oc80z> cheers
May 14 00:45:04 <oc80z> rw what do you see in the skynet post
May 14 00:45:40 <rwhitby> what do I see in it?
May 14 00:46:11 <rwhitby> the main thing I will use it for is to transfer stuff between two devices on the wifi LAN
May 14 00:47:07 <oc80z> hmm
May 14 02:03:56 <sbromwich> oc80z: 1.3% is the best I've managed
May 14 02:07:17 <RagingMind> sbromwich, per hour?
May 14 02:07:25 <RagingMind> with radios on?
May 14 02:08:32 <sbromwich> per hour, wifi on, phone off, bluetooth off
May 14 02:08:51 <RagingMind> how do you turn phone off and wifi on?
May 14 02:09:19 <sbromwich> put it in airplane mode then turn wifi on
May 14 02:09:43 <RagingMind> hmmm... I just kinda assumed that airplane mode turned wifi and phone off
May 14 02:10:02 <sbromwich> it does
May 14 02:10:29 <sbromwich> I explicitly turned wifi back on after turning airplane mode on
May 14 02:10:42 <aurash91> (not sure if this is the right place to ask this) Ive got a sprint pre running 1.4.1.1 with the old 800 mhz overclock patch. How do I uninstall it?
May 14 02:10:59 <aurash91> dieter deleted the op's instructions on how to uninstall it
May 14 02:11:09 <RagingMind> if i just turn on airplane mode I can leave my Pre in my desk drawer at work and it drains as quite a bit less than 1% an hour
May 14 02:11:20 <Tibfib> Anyone know where the PalmSystem.functions() are stored?
May 14 02:13:26 <VincentLaw> aurash91: run the script again with the word uninstall instead of install if I remember correctly
May 14 02:13:39 <aurash91> ill give that a try
May 14 02:13:45 <VincentLaw> if that doesn't work
May 14 02:13:51 <aurash91> im planning on doctoring the phone, do you think i need to uninstall the patch?
May 14 02:13:52 <VincentLaw> you can always use preware to install the palm kernel
May 14 02:14:17 <VincentLaw> patch? it wasn't a patch, it was a script
May 14 02:14:29 <VincentLaw> the doctor would completely wipe out the old kernel and replace it with stock
May 14 02:15:06 <rwhitby> VincentLaw: that will leave LunaSysMgr still erroneously modified, suspected of causing the universal search problems
May 14 02:15:07 <aurash91> ok, so just to clarify my pre will be set exactly back to factory settings after I doctor and I dont need to worry about uninstalling the script
May 14 02:15:24 <aurash91> or did i misunderstand you
May 14 02:15:36 <rwhitby> a doctor will erase any and all current and previous overclocking solutions
May 14 02:15:41 <aurash91> ok
May 14 02:15:43 <aurash91> thanks
May 14 02:52:12 <Decimate> hey guys
May 14 02:52:45 <RagingMind> a Hulu app would be nifty
May 14 02:54:07 <Decimate> hey, i was wondering, to rwhitby and oil, is it planned to allow exporting and importing of the saved packages list that preware creates, so i can doctor and this reinstall all previous stuff i had. if not, can you tell me where the saved package list is actually stored so i can do a manual backup?
May 14 02:54:57 <oil_pre> Decimate: install save/restore
May 14 02:55:19 <oil_pre> it saves the list to the usb partition
May 14 02:55:46 <oil_pre> reverse after doctor
May 14 02:55:57 <zsoc> (since doctor doesn't touch /media/internal
May 14 02:55:59 <zsoc> )
May 14 02:56:20 <Decimate> oil_pre: so i had preware selected, and i hit save selected. and then all i do is doctor, and it will still be there when i come back? :)
May 14 02:56:35 <RagingMind> can I redownload an app that I've paid for?
May 14 02:56:59 <Decimate> RagingMind: yes, if you're logged into your palm profile that you paid with
May 14 02:57:05 <oil_pre> then install preware and saverestore, and restore the list
May 14 02:57:39 <oil_pre> then open preware and go to saved list and install all
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