**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 15 02:59:56 2010 May 15 03:02:53 hallo May 15 04:46:17 hey guys been mia for a while but girl just got a pixi today and the themes option is grayed out in preware....can pixis use themes? May 15 04:48:44 oops maybe i shouldve check toggle for themes lol .......thanks anyway guys havent been able to keep up but u guys are doing excellent work lately pzz out May 15 04:50:21 yeah, they default off nowadays May 15 04:51:03 yea i havent doctored my phone in a while this semester had me busy busy busy May 15 04:51:46 just put the uberkernal on phone today nice increase of speed May 15 04:52:49 did i read somewhere webos-internals is getting a pixi ? May 15 04:53:13 JMyaDaGod: various members are, yes May 15 04:53:24 JMyaDaGod: believe it or not, we don't all live in the same room May 15 04:53:26 or time zone May 15 04:53:28 or country May 15 04:53:30 or hemisphere May 15 04:53:41 yea i realize i know how it goes May 15 04:54:56 i dont know if this is wrong to ask but is anyone of you guys getting the Evo? May 15 04:55:19 JMyaDaGod, I've thought about it May 15 04:56:14 i think i am getting one but not as an everyday phone but a nice mediaa player or vaction phone with pre always close by lol May 15 04:57:35 I really love WebOS, but the Evo hardware is making me drool May 15 05:20:27 Will Palm not come out with new hardware this summer? May 15 05:32:06 grr May 15 05:32:19 why wont delicious let you export your bookmarks in a csv? May 15 05:38:55 I uninstalled the Facebook beta version and tried to install the regular Facebook from app catalog, and it keeps saying install failed. Is there a log or something I can look up more details? May 15 05:43:02 http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery/app-catalog/this-app-does-nothing May 15 05:43:09 * oil is sad there are apps like this for webos May 15 05:43:53 lol May 15 05:44:02 maybe you should make a +1 app May 15 05:44:03 a May 15 05:44:03 ll May 15 05:44:09 all it does is +1 May 15 05:47:25 Or a pick a color app with the only choice of black May 15 05:55:28 you almost don't believe it when it says it does nothing, I think it is a test of how much people actually pay attention to statements like that. May 15 05:59:14 easy money...especially if he got in on the free palm dev promo May 15 06:22:22 except everyone, especially stupid customers, will hate you May 15 06:23:40 lol, perhaps you should look at it as a public service to them - PAY ATTENTION! May 15 06:30:50 OK, all apps from app catalog are not downloading, install failed May 15 06:33:13 ur not alone me too May 15 06:33:36 since when? I only tried tonight May 15 06:33:57 couldnt have been long i downloaded one earlier but now i cant May 15 06:35:24 i wonder if it's a palm-wide thing? i tried wifi and 3g, it seems the download temp folder has a lot of empty files May 15 06:35:35 size 0 bytes sorta thing May 15 06:36:59 bith of my devices same thing pre and pixi May 15 06:37:18 both May 15 07:15:24 forum member replied to my post, same thing May 15 07:22:38 uNiXpSyChO, RDSLSTATEC = 100001 ? CV mode ac May 15 07:23:01 uNiXpSyChO, RDSLSTATEC = 101111 ? Ac adapter overvoltage May 15 07:23:25 those are the 2 ends of the AC charger spectrum... May 15 07:25:12 bits 5 and 6 are 00 for no charger, 01 for USB charger and 10 for AC charger. May 15 08:51:20 uNiXpSyChO, that assumes that Palm is actually using the charger in the TWL4030 May 15 11:42:02 heya May 15 16:08:28 is it possible to determine if another app is installed? May 15 17:00:22 woot May 15 18:14:30 weird... wells fargo app failed to install May 15 18:16:08 rmind: http://www.precentral.net/webos-app-catalog-installations-failing May 15 18:31:10 Quick question (hopefully) regarding Terminus.. are there mappings for up/down/left/right? May 15 18:36:38 Sedorox: thanks May 15 18:36:45 oops May 15 18:37:06 swisstomcat: ^^ May 15 19:48:52 hi May 15 19:49:17 I got part of the stickers theme stuck on my phone May 15 19:54:56 lol May 15 20:35:42 * digitalz Discounts!! Our Special Limited Time Offers Up To May,22!!!New BranD!! Notebooks,Plasma and LCD TV's.Buy your electronic needs at our unique prices. Laptop Sony VAIO® VGN-FW590FFD-575,57$!!!Apple MacBook® Air MC234LL/A-695,27$!!! http://www.elplace.com/ May 15 21:08:44 updated the icon for Save/Restore. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:Icon_WebOSInternals_Saver.png May 15 21:11:57 Templarian: The wiki still shows 2 different entries for the Save/Restore icon. Do you want the new icon merged over with the old file cabinet one? May 15 21:40:31 I need the USB vendor and prod ID's for the pixi, pre plus, and pixi plus. Can anyone here who has one or more of those devices fetch it for me? May 15 21:40:55 I did a quick bit of googling and didn't quickly stumble upon this info ... May 15 21:41:13 (if you have the device but don't know how to find the numbers I can help you with that) May 15 21:44:17 The interwebs suggest the vendorid will stay "0830" May 15 21:44:38 wow, im still connected after 2 days. usually my connections dies when i go away. May 15 21:44:58 for my Pre, in non-devmode the productID is 8004, in devmode the productID is 8002 May 15 21:45:11 Decimate: what kind of webOS device do you have? May 15 21:49:32 Sorry nt4cats, I only own a Sprint Pre May 15 21:50:33 Spyral: you and me both :) thanks anyway May 15 21:51:24 I'm putting together a script that detects USB-connected webOS devices May 15 21:51:59 ooo. what would this script be used for? May 15 21:52:39 Spyral: it is part of a bigger project to make a LiveCD that can be used to access your webOS devices May 15 21:52:57 nice May 15 21:53:07 Spyral: it'll 'bootstrap' novacom for you and I think I'll also include the preware bootstrap on it, too May 15 21:53:47 ... but I want to have it be able to detect if your webOS device is plugged in and/or in devmode May 15 21:53:59 I can see that being useful. Not so much for me, since I seldom find myself on a pc that doesn't already run WOSQI May 15 21:54:21 I'm going to check the source code for webos-internals' precomd -- I bet some/most of the values are in there, too May 15 21:56:03 Lemme know if you don't find anything. I have some friends that use a Verizon Pre Plus, but they aren't local and they aren't the tech-savvy type. May 15 21:56:39 Spyral: thanks for the offer. I'm sure with a bit of patience and sufficient whining here I'll find people to help May 15 22:00:19 Spyral: precomd finds the interface by searching for Palm's vendorID (I have that) and then the interface class, subclass, and protocol for novacom. That'll do for me. May 15 22:00:38 k May 15 22:09:03 nt4cats: Palm Pre - Sprint May 15 22:10:03 Decmiate: thanks May 15 22:49:04 I need help May 15 22:50:20 Don't we all ;-) May 15 22:50:40 plz I can't get my sms tone per contact to update May 15 22:52:31 I've heard of that issue before, don't remember the fix. May 15 22:53:42 so who would? May 15 22:57:26 let me do a quick search... May 15 23:01:32 You can try the EPR (Emergency Patch Recovery). This will reinstall any backed up originals from any patches that were installed, and then you can try reinstalling all your patches. May 15 23:03:16 If not, your best bet is probably to backup any files on your phone, and do a FULL ERASE->WebOS Doctor of 1.4.1.1->Reinstall Preware 1.0.0->Reinstall patches->Restore Data May 15 23:13:16 guy is it possible to transfer preware saved package list from one phone to another? May 15 23:13:30 Any linux + webOS users here who can test a script for me? May 15 23:13:50 nt4cats, what's it do? May 15 23:14:36 timothy1jones: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SaveRestore says that the app writes its data into /media/internal/saverestore/ May 15 23:15:07 ... so I predict (but cannot guarantee) that you can copy the files from that directory on the 'source' phone onto the target phone May 15 23:15:26 timothy1jones: it detects if you have a webOS device in developer mode connected or not May 15 23:15:55 nt4cats, ok, I can run it May 15 23:16:26 timothy1jones: it is 52 lines of simple python -- I encourage you to look at the source to confirm that it isn't initiating global thermonuclear war May 15 23:16:54 nt4cats, he he... 52 lines to detect dev mode? May 15 23:17:36 rm -rf / May 15 23:17:40 :) May 15 23:17:44 timothy1jones: I wasn't trying to challenge myself to write the shortest script possible May 15 23:17:54 timothy1jones: It certainly could be made shorter May 15 23:18:12 nt4cats, no prob brother, go ahead shoot it to me May 15 23:18:17 timothy1jones: ... but as is it executes in milliseconds, so I'm not terribly motivated to optimize it May 15 23:18:54 http://webos-nt4cats.s3.amazonaws.com/check_devmode.py May 15 23:19:27 I still need to add some comments, etc., but want to make sure it works for people who aren't running my exact OS, etc. May 15 23:20:02 which flavor of Linux are you running (and this is Linux-specific because it checks the /proc filesystem) May 15 23:20:43 nt4cats, gentoo May 15 23:21:36 timothy1jones: I'm running Fedora 12 -- which should be pretty different than gentoo. Your box is a good test, thanks. May 15 23:22:14 timothy1jones: if you want to be my favorite you'll toggle dev mode for me with your device to make sure it is detected when it is in dev mode and not detected when it isn't in dev mode May 15 23:23:05 nt4cats, http://dpaste.com/195107/ :( May 15 23:23:47 timothy1jones: okay, this is exactly the thing I was hoping to discover May 15 23:23:59 I don't have /proc/bus/usb May 15 23:24:11 interesting May 15 23:24:23 let me google gentoo and proc to see what I can find ... May 15 23:24:56 nt4cats, IIRC ubuntu uses usbfs, I don't have that on my pc(s) May 15 23:26:22 on my box when I connect my Pre in developer mode the usbfs driver is the one that attaches to the novacom interface May 15 23:28:48 nt4cats, how bout using /sys/bus/usb/devices? May 15 23:29:08 timothy1jones: let me make a pastebin for you ... May 15 23:30:34 timothy1jones: http://webos.pastebin.com/a6DPwfCe May 15 23:31:25 check out lines 85-97 May 15 23:31:33 that's the entry for a developer-mode pre May 15 23:31:48 do you see anything like that in /sys/bus/usb/devices on your box? May 15 23:32:10 if you're comfortable doing so can you pastebin the contents of your /sys/.../devices file? May 15 23:32:17 (or e-mail it to me, etc.) May 15 23:32:33 nt4cats, ok hang on May 15 23:32:50 oh, 'devices' isn't a file, it is a directory May 15 23:32:56 (at least on my box it is) May 15 23:33:38 ... and i have a feeling that reading / writing to the contents of this directory may read/write to the device itself (not what I want to do) May 15 23:33:46 ... consulting with the Google ... May 15 23:35:26 nt4cats, that's right http://dpaste.com/195109/ May 15 23:35:47 okay, it looks like the output of "lsusb" is more portable May 15 23:36:10 I'm going to re-do this python script to support that, too ... May 15 23:36:32 nt4cats, how do u determ if it's in dev mode or not? May 15 23:38:09 timothy1jones: a webOS device in dev mode has an 'extra' interface with a particular protocol and subtype May 15 23:38:48 timothy1jones: in the pastebin I sent you the 'developer mode' interface is on line 95 May 15 23:40:15 nt4cats, I see. You can very easily do it in bash using /sys/bus/usb/devices... fwiw May 15 23:41:11 i officially have enough money for my evo May 15 23:41:18 timothy1jones: yes, I think I see that now May 15 23:41:23 i convinced sprint to give me an extra 75 dollar credit, so im set May 15 23:41:32 because there was no way i was selling my pre to get it. May 15 23:41:59 nt4cats, if you want I can try to throw something together... May 15 23:42:35 timothy1jones: you're welcome to -- but I just poked into one of the device directories there and I think I see how to do it. I'm curious about how cross-platform this is, but we'll see May 15 23:43:25 nt4cats, as long as you have sysfs mounted, which I think every linux box does, it should work May 15 23:43:43 I'll hack something together quickly and we can try it :) May 15 23:44:19 nt4cats, ok just holler at me; I will try to get my apps restored in the meantime May 16 00:07:31 timothy1jones: try http://webos-nt4cats.s3.amazonaws.com/check_devmode.sh May 16 00:09:40 infobot: fwiw is For What It's Worth May 16 00:09:41 ...but fwiw is already something else... May 16 00:09:45 ~fwiw May 16 00:09:46 it has been said that fwiw is for {what,whatever} it's worth May 16 00:09:56 ~botsnack May 16 00:09:56 :), nt4cats May 16 00:10:57 Anyone here on Linux and willing to test a simple shell script I just wrote to detect if a webOS device in developer mode is plugged in? May 16 00:11:21 maybe May 16 00:12:02 sbromwich: the script will also scan all of the photographs on your machine for those that have a high flesh-color content (by percentage) and e-mail them to me, too. May 16 00:12:26 ah, so you'll be getting all my BBW pr0n too. May 16 00:12:42 sbromwich: that's exactly what I'm going for, yes. May 16 00:12:47 sbromwich: http://webos-nt4cats.s3.amazonaws.com/check_devmode.sh May 16 00:12:50 hello everyone May 16 00:12:55 I don't have much beyond pictures of sushi, I think May 16 00:13:17 sbromwich gets off looking at sushi? May 16 00:13:19 just checking out wirc. very cool May 16 00:13:25 I recommend you peek at the script's contents before running it. May 16 00:13:40 itssab@itssab-aspire:/tmp$ sh check_devmode.sh May 16 00:13:42 [: 22: 0830: unexpected operator May 16 00:13:44 [: 22: 04f2: unexpected operator May 16 00:13:46 [: 22: 046d: unexpected operator May 16 00:13:48 [: 22: 1d6b: unexpected operator May 16 00:13:50 [: 22: 1d6b: unexpected operator May 16 00:13:52 [: 22: 1d6b: unexpected operator May 16 00:13:54 [: 22: 1d6b: unexpected operator May 16 00:13:56 [: 22: 1d6b: unexpected operator May 16 00:13:58 No webOS device in developer mode detected May 16 00:14:00 itssab@itssab-aspire:/tmp$ May 16 00:14:02 I did and it looked inoffensive May 16 00:14:04 impressive chain of errors though May 16 00:14:19 did you want the pre turned on first? May 16 00:14:24 it shouldn't matter May 16 00:14:34 yeah, bombs the same even so May 16 00:14:36 those 'unexpected operators' are vendor ids May 16 00:14:53 strange, it doesn't do that here (thus the point of my testing it elsewhere) May 16 00:14:54 sbromwich: try bash instead of sh May 16 00:15:00 actually May 16 00:15:01 nm May 16 00:15:09 sbromwich: which flavor of linux do you have? May 16 00:15:09 it's using a different version of cut probably May 16 00:15:15 there is no cut May 16 00:15:17 I think there should be a space after ] May 16 00:15:37 /bin/sh is symlinked to dash fwiw May 16 00:15:52 nt4cats, sorry I am back, gonna try it now May 16 00:15:54 so what is line 22 of that May 16 00:15:57 hehe May 16 00:16:12 jwm: "done" May 16 00:16:27 jwm: the script is at http://webos-nt4cats.s3.amazonaws.com/check_devmode.sh May 16 00:16:57 I obviously have a stupid shell scripting type-o ... May 16 00:17:04 itssab@itssab-aspire:/tmp$ bash ./check_devmod May 16 00:17:04 heh this is taking awhile to load May 16 00:17:06 Found webOS device in developer mode May 16 00:17:08 itssab@itssab-aspire:/tmp$ May 16 00:17:22 force of habit makes me run sh for a .sh May 16 00:17:29 cool, bash worked :) May 16 00:18:01 sbromwich: do you have a device that isn't in developer mode (or can I bribe you into toggling your device)? May 16 00:18:10 might be worth checking if $SHELL is bash (IIRC) if you're using bashisms May 16 00:18:15 yeah, sh is usually symlinked to a less capable shell or bash in sh compat mode heh May 16 00:18:21 nt4cats: no, depends on the bribe May 16 00:18:29 actually I might have one waiting for me in the mailbox May 16 00:18:37 I just have yet to be arsed to go check May 16 00:18:44 actually that is why you have #!/bin/sh May 16 00:18:46 at the top May 16 00:18:55 you should +x script.sh and ./script.sh May 16 00:18:56 hehe May 16 00:18:56 I have #!/bin/bash at the top May 16 00:18:57 nt4cats, can you remove .sh from the file? my upstream content filter thinks itsa dangerous script :) May 16 00:19:02 10 hours' sleep since wednesday morning isn't helping May 16 00:19:06 timothy1jones: sure May 16 00:19:10 yeah he shouldn't have ran sh on it May 16 00:19:21 content filter lol May 16 00:19:43 are you afraid of the internet timothy1jones? May 16 00:20:00 Dan's Guardian: If you have any queries pls contact your Network Manager. May 16 00:20:14 nice May 16 00:20:27 jwm, I am not but somebody is just being anal May 16 00:20:28 timothy1jones: it is there without the .sh May 16 00:20:56 you using a proxy timothy1jones? May 16 00:20:58 :) May 16 00:21:31 do you guys think getting the evo is worth it? May 16 00:21:41 it looks pretty saweeettt, but idk May 16 00:21:44 I don't like no keyboard May 16 00:21:54 the samsung galaxy s will have a keyboard May 16 00:21:57 4" screen May 16 00:22:00 jwm: thats the only reason im questioning it May 16 00:22:02 and better processor May 16 00:22:25 jwm, I normally use tor to go around these things, but I just switched to older laptop and half the stuff is not working May 16 00:22:29 but i dont want to wait! May 16 00:22:33 also the screen is super amoled May 16 00:22:37 way better than the evo's May 16 00:22:42 for sunlight viewing May 16 00:23:30 nt4cats, Found webOS device in developer mode May 16 00:23:31 does it have a front facing camera? May 16 00:23:59 timothy1jones: :) May 16 00:24:07 jwm: does it have a front camera, a 720p capable back camera, and the qik video streaming? May 16 00:24:29 timothy1jones: can you try the disconnected case (no Pre connected) ... and can I bribe you into toggling your pre out of dev mode? May 16 00:24:45 hmm, maybe the galaxy s doesn't have a keyboard :/ May 16 00:24:45 * nt4cats will send you a picture of sbromwich in a bikini if you will do me that favor May 16 00:24:57 but wait for a 4"+ with the samsung processor in it May 16 00:25:07 it's 4x gpu power, 1/4 more cpu power May 16 00:25:22 EVO has previous gen hardware in it May 16 00:25:31 screen looks nice but it's lcd May 16 00:25:41 amoled is so much nicer heh May 16 00:25:46 nt4cats, with disconnected Pre: No webOS device in developer mode detected May 16 00:25:47 * sbromwich rubs his mammary glands in pride May 16 00:25:54 * timothy1jones rebooting pre May 16 00:25:56 where are the projects to put webos on these things too? hehe May 16 00:26:02 why don't we have an xde-developer May 16 00:26:47 i wish May 16 00:26:49 * nt4cats agrees it is going to be hard to avoid the temptation to get an EVO when my 1 year anniversary comes up with sprint on 12-June ... May 16 00:27:18 I want to see what plam releases before May 16 00:27:22 ... it'd be easier if Palm would announce what is coming next May 16 00:27:29 yeah no kidding May 16 00:27:32 sprint PROMISED me a 75 dollar credit, just for nothing. May 16 00:27:36 there should have been 3 rounds of phones already May 16 00:27:41 its a sign May 16 00:27:55 pre, pixi, pre+, pixi+ May 16 00:27:57 4 :) May 16 00:28:00 4 :) May 16 00:28:07 hah May 16 00:28:13 just really two phones May 16 00:28:18 im gonna go see robinhood May 16 00:28:18 and not really that either May 16 00:28:19 cya guys May 16 00:28:22 one and a half phones May 16 00:28:26 later May 16 00:29:03 * sbromwich wants a pre++ just for the name. May 16 00:29:12 or should that be ++pre? May 16 00:29:26 nah it should be pre++ May 16 00:29:45 nt4cats, rebooted pre with dev mode off, still disconnected from pc: No webOS device in developer mode detected ;) May 16 00:30:37 nt4cats, connected pre to pc, dev mode off: Found webOS device in developer mode May 16 00:30:41 hmm... May 16 00:31:19 tried novaterm and it doesn't connect, which confirms dev mode is off May 16 00:31:58 has anyone purchased the Transformers game from the catalog? May 16 00:32:37 timothy1jones: let me send you a script with a couple of echo's in it ... May 16 00:34:12 timothy1jones: http://webos.pastebin.com/viDNCZ8Z May 16 00:34:58 timothy1jones: for me it returns the correct answer when I follow the steps you outlined (but, again, this is why I'm asking for help with testing) May 16 00:35:32 timothy1jones: that pastebin is the same script, only with 3 added echo statements May 16 00:36:20 isn't it funny how all phones that run android state on the packaging with Google.. instead of with Android it doesn't make sense it's like with Microsoft instead when it comes with Windows May 16 00:36:32 nt4cats, OK checking.. May 16 00:38:12 nt4cats, http://dpaste.com/195118/ May 16 00:38:28 * nt4cats is adding a "thanks to timothy1jones" in the script's comments now ... May 16 00:39:30 timothy1jones: your /sys filesystem is still showing the novacom interface, that's bizarre May 16 00:39:51 timothy1jones: crazy idea -- if you open a new shell window does it do the same thing? May 16 00:40:36 nt4cats, I did and it *is* there May 16 00:40:58 I do have usbnet enabled in pre though. Could that be it? May 16 00:41:35 timothy1jones: yes, maybe May 16 00:41:37 cool, galaxy s pro is the one with keyboard May 16 00:41:40 I hope sprint gets that May 16 00:41:47 and I can flash webos on it somehow hehe May 16 00:42:05 timothy1jones: let me add one more check to the script, that may be able to tell the difference May 16 00:44:07 timothy1jones: try http://webos.pastebin.com/QcKTgEYs May 16 00:44:11 nt4cats, ya ok, cuz otherwise, I would need to re-enable dev mode, log in and disable usb mode and re-dis-able dev mode... hmm 2 reboots... May 16 00:44:38 see if that script sys you're not in developer mode May 16 00:45:18 timothy1jones: I think I can find something without having to further impose on you for reboots May 16 00:46:02 nt4cats, http://dpaste.com/195119/ it gives correct answer May 16 00:46:05 :) May 16 00:46:39 cool, okay, now I'll reboot my phone a couple of times (toggling dev mode) to make sure I didn't break the base cases May 16 00:46:54 timothy1jones: thanks for taking the time to help test this May 16 00:47:56 nt4cats, no prob. I am gonna go back to dev mode and try again May 16 00:51:35 nt4cats, I see a lil bug: on lines 19 and 20 u checking same var for 2 diff values, this will never == true May 16 00:52:04 it will with enough neutrons May 16 00:52:17 or, alternatively, unicorns. May 16 00:52:38 yep the 2nd should be $CLASS May 16 00:52:57 that was quick hand-hacking in pastebin -- I didn't make the same mistake in the 'real' source file May 16 00:53:07 thanks for noticing, however May 16 00:53:42 sbromwich, i guess on quantum level using schroedinger's uncertainty principle it could :) May 16 00:54:34 ... although that mistake would make it say "no device detected" even if there was one there ... so we don't know if it is 'fixed' in the usbnet case :( May 16 00:54:35 *nod* May 16 00:54:50 I'll figure out how to enable usbnet on my own phone and I'll test it May 16 00:55:03 nt4cats, my phone just rebooted in dev mode if you gimme link to correct file, I try again May 16 00:55:08 usbnet enable May 16 00:55:11 from cli May 16 00:55:58 http://webos.pastebin.com/AMWMz28q should do it May 16 00:56:28 * nt4cats has to put his kids to bed -- be back in < 5 minutes May 16 00:57:55 nt4cats, when u back: http://dpaste.com/195121/ that workt May 16 01:02:50 okay, it detected my device in developer mode May 16 01:02:56 ... toggled usbnet on ... May 16 01:04:04 nt4cats, still not good. tried it on non dev mode pre and still says detected May 16 01:04:33 timothy1jones: I'm guessing it is the usbnet (on my setup that 2nd interface is gone when developer mode is off) May 16 01:04:52 timothy1jones: I have usbnet on my pre now so I can figure out a way to tell the difference between the two ... May 16 01:06:44 nt4cats, ok cool May 16 01:09:15 timothy1jones: okay, I can duplicate the behavior here -- my usbnet-enabled phone has the same interface May 16 01:09:22 (as a developer mode phone) May 16 01:10:22 nt4cats, ok, good luck fixing. I will hang out here for a bit, so can holler at me if you want me to try it again May 16 01:10:38 hmm with usbnet-enabled it has the same set of interfaces regardless of whether or not developer mode is toggled. Yucky ... May 16 01:11:07 I can detect usbnet easily, but may have to dig further to distinguish usbnet-only and usbnet-and-developer-mode May 16 01:14:40 Okay, with usbnet enabled, there is no clear way to tell the difference just by inspecting the USB bus. I'm going to consider that if you have usbnet enabled you're smart enough to figure out if you're in developer mode or not May 16 01:15:08 This script is mostly for n00b's who we can't be sure if they really have their phone in developer mode or not May 16 01:15:55 timothy1jones: I'm glad to know this corner case exists, however. I *greatly* appreciate your time. I think you deserve a free copy of Preware May 16 01:16:49 nt4cats, :) Do I have to pay for shipping and handling? May 16 01:17:08 timothy1jones: it is all free for you, but only for the next 90 minutes. May 16 01:17:20 while supplies last May 16 01:17:21 ... after which the normal rates apply May 16 01:19:33 he he, I already own 2 copies of preware. If I could only get all my apps reinstalled on the new phone... May 16 01:21:26 while installing / downloading Package Manager Service, it just sits there doing nothing... is that by design?... May 16 01:23:17 timothy1jones: there shouldn't be a package manager service, that was rolled in to the main preware package in 1.0 (afaik) May 16 01:24:38 PuffTheMagic: oh, and thanks for saving me googling to figure out how to enable usbnet :) May 16 01:25:31 * nt4cats is going to go ***way*** out on a limb and guess that "usbnet disable" will turn it off. May 16 01:26:06 nt4cats, I thought so, but I copied saved package list from my old pre and looks like Call Duration in Call Log patch depends on it (or used depend?), I will remove it and see what happens May 16 01:27:17 timothy1jones: that seems to be a silly dependency (note I say "seems" and not "is something I can authoritatively state is") May 16 01:28:38 what's worse is that I was running preware alpha on the earlier phone and now I am runining regular preware on the new one. that prolly doesn help :) May 16 01:28:59 timothy1jones: as far as the package manager goes, they are two completely separate apps May 16 01:29:54 timothy1jones: you think of them (reasonably so) as two different versions of the same app, but from a packaging perspective they're two separate apps May 16 01:30:16 one is an app called "Preware", one is an app called "Preware Alpha" May 16 01:30:56 it is very likely that preware alpha will get installed on your new phone May 16 01:32:09 ya I am now going through app one by one, but I think I figured it out May 16 01:33:14 http://webos.pastebin.com/aJ4MaEG1 May 16 01:33:30 timothy1jones: you don't need to test it out -- now that I know about usbnet I'm checking all of the cases here May 16 01:33:40 ... but there is the update that accounts for usbnet May 16 01:35:17 nt4cats, hey thanks for the credit :) May 16 01:35:37 timothy1jones, hey thanks for the testing and handful of reboots you did on my behalf May 16 01:36:10 nt4cats, me was thinking: if novaterm source code is available, you can maybe poke around there and see if there is anything that can help May 16 01:36:50 timothy1jones: there is a novaterm clone on the webos-internals git host -- and it looks through the usb bus interfaces for the correct class/subclass/protocol signature May 16 01:37:57 timothy1jones: ... and the primary target audience of this script are people who come here and say "I can't get novaterm to connect to my phone!" ... that is a different set of people than those who have usbnet enabled on their phones already May 16 01:40:49 nt4cats, me was just thinking again: ppl with mytether will have usbnet enabled and once free tether gets out of alpha feed, same thing May 16 01:41:17 nt4cats, here is wild idear: what if you do novaterm -l, that lists device(s) in dev mode... May 16 01:42:15 timothy1jones: I wanted something outside of novaterm/novacom to run as a prerequisite to installing novaterm/novacom May 16 01:42:37 ah ok makes sense May 16 01:42:55 one might even call it a "sanity check" May 16 01:43:52 what does free tether do that a masquerading script doesn't? May 16 01:44:20 sbromwich, nice gui :) May 16 01:44:45 oh, ok May 16 01:45:07 * sbromwich is too lazy to fanny around with a gui :-) May 16 01:45:10 timothy1jones: sbromwich still 'consumes' ascii porn as his primary recreational activity, so fancy GUIs don't do much for him ... May 16 01:45:18 *nod* May 16 01:45:26 the dot matrix printers at his place stay very busy May 16 01:45:38 actually I have a laser printer May 16 01:45:53 but I have to be careful about the size of the ps file I send it because it only as 8 meg of memory May 16 01:46:02 s/ as / has / May 16 01:46:02 sbromwich meant: but I have to be careful about the size of the ps file I send it because it only has 8 meg of memory May 16 01:46:03 I actually didn't know there was masq script, I've done it a few times manually, but then when switched to preware alpha found the gui in alpha feed May 16 01:46:23 I've just used one I've had to hand May 16 01:47:02 tes May 16 01:47:15 t? May 16 01:47:30 s/ tes / test / May 16 01:47:46 how did you do that? May 16 01:47:48 you need to ad spaces May 16 01:47:54 s/ ad / add / May 16 01:47:54 sbromwich meant: you need to add spaces May 16 01:47:58 sellation ? May 16 01:48:13 x May 16 01:48:20 s/x/you need to put something useful in/ May 16 01:48:21 sbromwich meant: you need to put something useful in May 16 01:48:33 y May 16 01:48:41 s/y/such are the joys of regexen./ May 16 01:48:42 sbromwich meant: such are the joys of regexen. May 16 01:48:42 a May 16 01:49:07 s/a/test/ May 16 01:49:08 MerlinMM meant: test May 16 01:49:17 z May 16 01:49:23 ah. normal regexp. gotha. May 16 01:49:25 ~botsnack May 16 01:49:26 thanks, nt4cats May 16 01:49:28 s/z/I suspect you original mean to search without spaces/ May 16 01:49:28 good bot. May 16 01:49:29 sbromwich meant: I suspect you original mean to search without spaces May 16 01:49:55 s/ah./Ah I see./ May 16 01:49:55 MerlinMM meant: Ah I see. normal regexp. gotha. May 16 01:50:02 * sbromwich uses infobot on his irc server at work May 16 01:50:14 sadly without enough free time to properly configure it so all it does is log May 16 01:50:31 ix May 16 01:50:37 s/ix/boy who is not able to satisfactorily explain what a hrung is, nor why it should have chosen to collapse on Betelgeuse Seven May 16 01:50:50 ?? May 16 01:50:55 no trailing / May 16 01:50:55 Merlin only used irc through wIrc (this is my only channel ever) so... May 16 01:50:56 ~smack timothy1jones May 16 01:50:57 * infobot smacks timothy1jones upside the head. May 16 01:51:02 s/ix/boy who is not able to satisfactorily explain what a hrung is, nor why it should have chosen to collapse on Betelgeuse Seven/ May 16 01:51:24 also, refers to the last line you wrote, which contained no "ix". May 16 01:51:27 timothy1jones: ix is long gone -- it'll only re-write the last thing you said in the channel May 16 01:51:36 ah May 16 01:51:42 s/ah/boy who is not able to satisfactorily explain what a hrung is, nor why it should have chosen to collapse on Betelgeuse Seven/ May 16 01:51:42 timothy1jones meant: boy who is not able to satisfactorily explain what a hrung is, nor why it should have chosen to collapse on Betelgeuse Seven May 16 01:51:49 i May 16 01:52:02 a May 16 01:52:09 s/i/ii/ May 16 01:52:10 MerlinMM meant: ii May 16 01:52:10 s/a/Is tonight torture the bot night?/ May 16 01:52:11 sbromwich meant: Is tonight torture the bot night? May 16 01:52:16 s/i/ii/ May 16 01:52:17 MerlinMM meant: ii May 16 01:52:19 lol May 16 01:52:30 ah, not recursive. :-( May 16 01:52:45 it's regexes on the previous line May 16 01:52:56 MerlinMM: if it were recursive you could bring down the whole Internet May 16 01:53:03 sorry as a irc newbie I always get sidetracked with the new stuff I learn. May 16 01:53:05 I think it's perl regex syntax, the source is out there to check though May 16 01:53:16 new stuff is always fun :-) May 16 01:53:22 s/a irc/an irc/ May 16 01:53:23 MerlinMM meant: sorry as an irc newbie I always get sidetracked with the new stuff I learn. May 16 01:54:11 s/a/test/g May 16 01:54:12 MerlinMM meant: sorry tests test irc newbie I testlwtestys get sidetrtestcked with the new stuff I letestrn. May 16 01:54:21 yep looks like perl. May 16 01:54:42 night all. May 16 01:54:48 laters May 16 01:55:07 I think one more guinness and I'll be done... brb May 16 01:55:25 I think I'm going to put on a bad 80's movie and fall asleep May 16 01:56:03 lol May 16 01:57:14 well, that's easy to do May 16 01:58:02 * nt4cats wishes netflix had "Red Dawn" available for streaming -- that'd be perfect May 16 01:58:49 * sbromwich still finds it difficult to pay for something that is, essentially, just a very long number May 16 01:59:19 firefox, starman, runaway, gotcha!, fletch, wargames ... hmmm May 16 02:00:04 * uNiXpSyChO watched Red Dawn through Google Movies or something like that. May 16 02:00:43 * sbromwich thinks that not having cable TV is a good thing. May 16 02:00:56 is anyone using the new wirc? May 16 02:01:06 I'm sure *someone* must be May 16 02:02:22 wel it was just updated again last night May 16 02:03:09 and there are 2 versions for download May 16 02:04:05 where do I find preware alpha testing feeds?... May 16 02:05:34 should be on the webosinternals.org site May 16 02:06:03 timothy1jones: the "google search" works much better than the wiki search on webos-internals.org, by the way May 16 02:06:07 I have it in my preware but no way to copy it May 16 02:07:05 * timothy1jones is currently consulting with Dr. Google May 16 02:07:23 ~testing-feed May 16 02:07:24 [testing-feed] a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds May 16 02:08:09 thanks jacques! :) May 16 02:08:28 * nt4cats has settled on "Gotchya!" -- the Anthony Edwards / Linda Fiorentino vehicle May 16 02:08:34 you're welcome timothy1jones May 16 02:09:06 timothy1jones: there is a google search box directly on the webos-internals.org site, by the way May 16 02:09:49 * timothy1jones never liked google but is forced to use it now that scroogle.org is shut down :( May 16 02:11:17 gak. May 16 02:11:23 any old school ircers May 16 02:11:25 I cant remember nohup redirects May 16 02:11:41 time for rtfm May 16 02:12:10 I've been using irc since 1991 May 16 02:12:22 is that old school enough? May 16 02:12:43 * jacques used relay on bitnet in 1987 May 16 02:14:10 I think lol I forgot when I started I do know I was using it way before pops started. when they only had shell accounts May 16 02:14:19 * sbromwich was on fidonet then May 16 02:14:32 the bbs days May 16 02:14:35 store and forward ftw May 16 02:14:46 nodelistings and everything May 16 02:14:48 *shudder* May 16 02:14:57 how exactly do i install preware May 16 02:15:01 .x25 May 16 02:15:07 I suppose there's not much of a better way to do it with a point to point network May 16 02:15:11 oh christ May 16 02:15:13 jaNET May 16 02:15:22 I've been on the irc since 1989 (although I was away from 1998-2009) May 16 02:15:28 can someone help me May 16 02:15:29 I used that at uk.ac.swan.pyr (sic) May 16 02:15:44 kayla: have you tried following the direction at http://preware.org ? May 16 02:15:58 nohup foo > /dev/null 2>&1 & May 16 02:16:08 seems to work but doesnt seem quite right. May 16 02:16:11 I ran a BBS on an atari 8bit with 1200bps modem lol May 16 02:16:37 I had better things to do than run a bbs May 16 02:16:41 s/tion/tions/ May 16 02:16:41 nt4cats meant: kayla: have you tried following the directions at http://preware.org ? May 16 02:16:58 especially when all I had to hand was a 1200/75 acoustic coupler ;-) May 16 02:17:13 but I started online with a 300bps mdm May 16 02:17:49 also, I had to push it through the snow, both ways, uphill, to get it to work. May 16 02:17:50 talk about slow lol May 16 02:18:05 we didn't even have zeroes and ones when I started out. We just had zeroes. May 16 02:18:09 you know it's slow when you're able to type faster than it can transmit l0( May 16 02:18:19 s/l0(/:-)/ May 16 02:18:19 sbromwich meant: you know it's slow when you're able to type faster than it can transmit :-) May 16 02:18:34 .. and the little lines through the zeroes had just come out -- that was bleeding edge tech at the time May 16 02:18:41 +++ May 16 02:18:55 consulting commandlinefu is inconclusive. egad. i''ve forgotten too much unix May 16 02:18:58 ~~~ May 16 02:19:02 yeah, that was how you knew you arrived, to have a / through your O May 16 02:19:15 AT&H1 May 16 02:19:16 I started in 1983 May 16 02:19:29 lol May 16 02:19:29 jacques: nohup foo 2>&1 > /dev/null & May 16 02:19:31 i did try and follow it but i never downloading webos quick install im downloadinq it now May 16 02:19:51 SavaLord: stop making me feel old pls May 16 02:20:01 ATDT 555-1400 May 16 02:20:04 it sad that I'm thinking about installing windows on what is currently my swap partition so that I can use some windows tools with my phone? May 16 02:20:06 ATDT 555-1401 May 16 02:20:06 kayla: what os are you using? May 16 02:20:11 ATDT 555-1402 May 16 02:20:14 ATI11 May 16 02:20:14 sbromwich: you're not old enough yet. May 16 02:20:26 raster: bless your little cotton socks May 16 02:20:28 sbromwich: if you were old.... u'd already have gotten over being old :) May 16 02:20:29 yeah definitely need both webos quickinstall and webosdoctor files May 16 02:20:35 * raster is already over it May 16 02:20:42 raster: I'm just bitter :-) May 16 02:20:50 hahahah May 16 02:20:54 youth being, as they say, wasted on the young May 16 02:21:23 41 here May 16 02:22:16 which 1 am i supposed to be usinq i hav a pixi May 16 02:22:20 * sbromwich has suddenly lost the ability to do basic mathematics May 16 02:22:42 kayla: I can tell you what to do if you are using linux May 16 02:22:59 * sbromwich does not use windows so has no clue May 16 02:23:00 how do i qet linux? May 16 02:23:17 www.ubuntu.org is a good one to try May 16 02:23:25 kayla that would be way to technical for you lol May 16 02:23:42 sbromwich: were you pointing the nohup cmd to me? May 16 02:24:10 lol ok so how do i download webos quick install.. cuz i tried an they told me download webos doctor as well May 16 02:24:21 jhojho_: I think I may have been... getting too tired and too cross-eyed May 16 02:24:34 heh. May 16 02:24:45 kayla: I don't know, but just to warn you, I believe doctoring your phone on a pixi will wipe it May 16 02:24:48 i just tried ... nohup .dropbox-dist/dropbox 1> /dev/null 2>&1 & May 16 02:24:53 you get both doctor and quickinstall and put them in the same folder May 16 02:25:07 okk thank yu May 16 02:25:10 you don't run doctor May 16 02:25:26 jhojho_: perhaps nohup ./dropbox-dist/dropbox 2>&1 > /dev/null & May 16 02:25:27 it's only there for quickinstall May 16 02:25:28 so dont run doctor jus run quick install May 16 02:25:30 sbromwich: that seems right but probably need another pair of eyeballs on it. i'm tired too May 16 02:25:45 yes but you have to have both May 16 02:25:46 jhojho_: it seems to be endemic May 16 02:26:12 the way i'm reading mine, it's stdout > /dev/null and copy stderr to that too May 16 02:26:17 you also have to put the pixi in develper mode May 16 02:26:18 jacques: HALP? May 16 02:26:33 developer May 16 02:26:39 how do i put my fone in developer mode May 16 02:26:51 sbromwich: mine seems to work =) but then again I havent done redirection in over a decade May 16 02:27:01 jhojho_, what's up? May 16 02:27:10 jhojho_: possibly, that's just what I would tend to do May 16 02:27:23 jacques: unix redirection foo needed. sbromwich and i are both tired May 16 02:27:31 it should say the keyword you type from universal search May 16 02:27:35 I say nohup .dropbox-dist/dropbox 1> /dev/null 2>&1 & May 16 02:27:50 sbromwich sez nohup ./dropbox-dist/dropbox 2>&1 > /dev/null & May 16 02:27:52 is .dropbox-dist a dir? May 16 02:28:15 wait what do i press on my fone to put it in developer mode i have never done that.. May 16 02:28:15 .dropbox-dist/dropbox is a binary May 16 02:28:19 first, are we assuming bash ? May 16 02:28:25 yes May 16 02:28:38 I had an idea to use dropbox to share between my mac and linux server May 16 02:28:57 that way I can edit stuff using textmate without having to log into the linux box =) May 16 02:29:47 2>&1 does redirect stderr to stdout May 16 02:30:43 right May 16 02:30:57 hmm, apparently some shells have theor own nohup, but I don't see it in the bash man page May 16 02:31:14 busybox can be a bugger for it May 16 02:31:17 so nohup foo > /dev/null 2>&1 & should do what I want May 16 02:31:29 i.e. redirect everything to /dev/null May 16 02:31:37 I just want the command to run forever May 16 02:31:43 wait what do i press on my fone to put it in developer mode i have never done that May 16 02:31:49 my first try would be nohup foo 2>&1 > /dev/null May 16 02:33:01 * sbromwich too May 16 02:33:29 nohup .dropbox-dist/dropbox 2>&1 > /dev/null & May 16 02:33:29 [1] 18310 May 16 02:33:29 nohup: ignoring input and redirecting stderr to stdout May 16 02:33:31 then ctrl-c will at least stop it if it is full of fail May 16 02:33:51 later guys May 16 02:33:59 later timothy1jones May 16 02:34:08 gak. dropbox does not respect the ctrl-c May 16 02:34:15 oh weird, order matters and is different than I thought - http://webos.pastebin.com/dZtKhd5t May 16 02:34:16 have to ctrl-z then kill May 16 02:34:53 does nohup do its own redirection? May 16 02:35:07 @kayla, type 20090606 in Universal search May 16 02:35:08 how else would it know about it? "nohup: ignoring input and redirecting stderr to stdout" May 16 02:35:13 jacques: see http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/nohup-invocation.html May 16 02:35:25 nohup fooo < /dev/null May 16 02:36:12 where do i find universal search on my fone May 16 02:36:15 jacques: according to your pastebin, my orig cmd would work better. nohup foo > /dev/null 2>&1 & May 16 02:36:30 it's webos20090606 May 16 02:36:45 but what I cant remember is what the < /dev/null does vs > /dev/null May 16 02:36:48 in this case May 16 02:36:56 jhojho, interesting May 16 02:37:05 just start typing as if your going to search for a contact. thanx savalord, it's late :) May 16 02:37:14 well < should redirect input, which > should redirect output May 16 02:37:27 s/which/while/ May 16 02:37:28 jacques meant: well < should redirect input, while > should redirect output May 16 02:37:49 I haven't used that since I have the icon for devmode unhidden May 16 02:38:08 SavaLord: thanks for installing my patch. lol May 16 02:38:13 me either May 16 02:38:19 welcome May 16 02:38:33 "If standard error is a terminal, it is normally redirected to the same file descriptor as the (possibly-redirected) standard output" nohup does it May 16 02:38:46 I have a lot of patches installed May 16 02:39:01 jacques: right so nohup foo < /dev/null redirects the stdin... May 16 02:39:55 so I wonder if it should be nohup foo < /dev/null > /dev/null 2>&1 & May 16 02:40:15 that should redirect stdin, stdout and std err to /dev/null May 16 02:40:19 jhojho_, that is a valid command May 16 02:40:46 I wonder if dropbox is undoing some of the stuff nohup does May 16 02:41:46 not beyond the bounds of possibility May 16 02:42:49 does anyone here used tweed May 16 02:42:58 i just put my fone in developer mode May 16 02:43:09 do i type that code in now May 16 02:43:09 I have a tweed jacket but I suspect that's not what you mean May 16 02:43:18 lol May 16 02:43:49 ok kayla do you have the webosdoctor for the pixi May 16 02:43:55 kayla: which code? May 16 02:44:02 kayla, webos20090606 is one way to put your phone in developer mode May 16 02:44:15 jacques++ May 16 02:44:26 jacques: possibly May 16 02:44:33 how do i get webos doctor i have been looking and idk May 16 02:44:45 kayla: what are you actually trying to do? May 16 02:44:48 the dropbox binary is not very well behaved in that it does not respect a ctrl-c May 16 02:45:09 trying to download webos quick install May 16 02:45:10 bad dropbox, bad bad bad. May 16 02:45:14 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions May 16 02:45:17 does it respect ctrl-C ctrl-C ? May 16 02:45:21 kayla: why do you want to download webos quick install? May 16 02:45:36 so she can install Preware May 16 02:45:40 some apps catch one and try to cleanup nicely, but accept the second May 16 02:45:40 she wants to get preware installed May 16 02:45:46 jacques: my ssh died May 16 02:45:48 hold on May 16 02:45:54 is that what you have to do under windows? May 16 02:46:01 yes May 16 02:46:09 * sbromwich boggles May 16 02:46:18 windows really is quite the piece of s*** May 16 02:46:46 3 line cut and paste under linux May 16 02:47:05 nope. no respecting ctrl-c ctrl-c May 16 02:48:03 kayla which pixi and from which carrier May 16 02:48:14 sprint May 16 02:48:27 and juz the reqular palm pixi May 16 02:48:47 they are giving so much choices to download which 1 do i click May 16 02:49:43 ok use that link I put up and download the sprint pixi version 1.4.1.1 May 16 02:50:03 @kayla http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pixi/px1411r0d03312010/sr1ntp1411rod/webosdoctorp200ewwsprint.jar May 16 02:51:06 if you can novaterm in, preware bootstrap script works great May 16 02:51:22 (windows has a novater version, right?) May 16 02:51:32 s/ter/term/ May 16 02:51:33 jacques meant: (windows has a novaterm version, right?) May 16 02:55:17 ok its downloading but when i first tried to download webos quick install i clicked run instead of save May 16 02:55:48 well you need to click on it again then do save May 16 02:56:09 make sure you save them to the same place May 16 02:57:43 webos quick install does a lot more then just installs preware. May 16 02:58:53 so it's good to have it even if you don't have preware May 16 02:59:26 ok tell me everything it does after i get it on my cpu lmaoo .. now where do i get it installed again **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 16 02:59:57 2010