**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 19 02:59:57 2010
May 19 03:27:25 <Stall> I need help installing the Send All Contacts Via Email patch. I get errors when trying to install through Preware as well as WebOSQuickInstall. Can anyone help me?
May 19 03:28:09 <rwhitby> Stall: if it's a single patch that is failing to apply, your best bet is to post your ipkg log in the PreCentral thread for that particular patch.
May 19 03:42:26 <WillJitsu> I'm attempting to update Preware to 1.0.3, but it's just sitting there at "Downloading / Updating" with the spinner. Anyone seeing this?
May 19 03:43:27 <rwhitby> WillJitsu: just worked for me
May 19 03:43:49 <WillJitsu> ok I will restart and try again then
May 19 04:15:16 <Stall> I can't find a thread for the Send All Contacts via Email Patch on PreCentral.
May 19 04:15:36 <rwhitby> the Homepage link in Preware should be it
May 19 04:16:47 <rwhitby> there is a maintainer email address there too
May 19 04:17:04 <Stall> Ok I will look there
May 19 04:19:43 <Stall> Is it ok to paste the log into a post on the forum or is that bad etiquette?
May 19 04:21:37 <rwhitby> attach it to a forum post
May 19 04:22:02 <rwhitby> make sure you also list what other patches you have installed
May 19 04:22:29 <rwhitby> you could also attach your webos-patches.log file from the USB drive for completeness
May 19 04:29:34 <WillJitsu> rwhitby: just wanted to let you know preware updated correctly after I rebooted
May 19 04:30:31 <Stall> Where is the webos-patches.log file from the USB drive?
May 19 04:31:50 <rwhitby> WillJitsu: thx
May 19 04:44:24 <TheSavaLord> hi to anyone who is up
May 19 04:48:58 <rwhitby> g'day TheSavaLord
May 19 04:51:30 <TheSavaLord> how are you doing Rod
May 19 04:51:34 <PrimerFender> aloha
May 19 04:51:45 <TheSavaLord> hi prime
May 19 04:52:14 <PrimerFender> aloha is fitting becuase I never know in what part of the world people are so they could be starting the day, or finishing it lol
May 19 04:53:23 <rwhitby> ~ugt
May 19 04:53:24 <infobot> somebody said ugt was Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
May 19 04:54:36 <PrimerFender> wtf
May 19 04:55:23 <PrimerFender> Now, instead of spending time figuring out what time of day is it for every member of the channel, we spend time explaining newcomers benefits of UGT.  <- LOL
May 19 04:57:50 <TheSavaLord> sounds stupid too me
May 19 04:59:47 <ka6sox> its 4 letters :D
May 19 04:59:50 <ka6sox> ~ugt
May 19 04:59:51 <infobot> methinks ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
May 19 05:00:12 <oil> not for poor infobot
May 19 05:00:30 <rwhitby> ~botsnack
May 19 05:00:30 <infobot> thanks, rwhitby
May 19 05:00:49 <oil> ~~~~
May 19 05:00:50 <infobot> ARGH!!! STOP IT oil!!!
May 19 05:01:14 <PrimerFender> ~~~~
May 19 05:01:15 <infobot> ARGH!!! STOP IT primerfender!!!
May 19 05:01:20 <PrimerFender> doh!
May 19 05:01:40 <PrimerFender> I don't think infobot is a real person.
May 19 05:01:48 <oil> sure it is
May 19 05:01:57 <rwhitby> she
May 19 05:02:08 <ka6sox> botsnack
May 19 05:02:17 <ka6sox> ~botsnack
May 19 05:02:18 <infobot> ka6sox: thanks
May 19 05:02:23 <oil> thats why i said it
May 19 05:02:27 <oil> didn't know what sex she was
May 19 05:02:28 <ka6sox> heh
May 19 05:02:53 <rwhitby> ~lart oil
May 19 05:02:53 * infobot shoots oil in the head
May 19 05:03:01 <oil> not cool infobot!
May 19 05:03:02 <rwhitby> she's nasty too
May 19 05:03:48 <rwhitby> ~lart infobot
May 19 05:03:48 * infobot holds rwhitby to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails
May 19 05:03:57 <rwhitby> told you
May 19 05:04:34 * rwhitby wonders how infobot knows rwhitby is a he
May 19 05:08:45 <oil> rwhitby: this is the internet
May 19 05:08:46 <oil> it assumes
May 19 05:08:53 <oil> and is probably 99% correct :)
May 19 05:09:44 <PrimerFender> ~lart infobot
May 19 05:09:45 * infobot cuts primerfender into thin stripes
May 19 05:09:49 <PrimerFender> teehee
May 19 05:09:59 * rwhitby considers how to trick Adora into ~larting infobot ...
May 19 05:11:13 <oil> good luck
May 19 05:17:39 <TheSavaLord> anyone watch V
May 19 05:17:58 <ka6sox> anybody who has ssh into their pre: I need the output of ls: /sys/devices/w1_master1
May 19 05:18:18 <ka6sox> whoops
May 19 05:18:34 <ka6sox> ls /sys/devices/w1_bus_master1
May 19 05:21:00 <rwhitby> ka6sox: it will change based on the serial number of the battery
May 19 05:27:21 <PreGame> ~~~~~~~~
May 19 05:27:22 <infobot> You know, this got old a long time ago.
May 19 05:27:53 <PreGame> ~gmt
May 19 05:27:54 <infobot> Generic Mapping Tools. URL: http://imina.soest.hawaii.edu/gmt/.  Greenwich Mean Time
May 19 05:28:11 <PreGame> ~greenwich mean time
May 19 05:29:29 <PrimerFender> root@palm-webos-device:/var/home/root# ls /sys/devices/w1_bus_master1
May 19 05:29:30 <PrimerFender> 32-00084046949a            w1_master_max_slave_count
May 19 05:29:30 <PrimerFender> bus                        w1_master_name
May 19 05:29:30 <PrimerFender> driver                     w1_master_pointer
May 19 05:29:30 <PrimerFender> power                      w1_master_search
May 19 05:29:30 <PrimerFender> subsystem                  w1_master_slave_count
May 19 05:29:30 <PrimerFender> uevent                     w1_master_slaves
May 19 05:29:31 <PrimerFender> w1_master_attempts         w1_master_timeout
May 19 05:29:42 <ka6sox> PrimerFender, thanks
May 19 05:29:52 <PrimerFender> don't steal my serial number ;-)
May 19 05:29:57 * oil steals
May 19 05:30:11 * PrimerFender tracks down oil and his infobot kill "it"
May 19 05:30:19 <PreGame> ~quit
May 19 05:30:20 <infobot> No! You quit!
May 19 05:30:25 <ka6sox> I just wanted to make sure they were the the same length.
May 19 05:30:31 <PreGame> ~kill
May 19 05:31:59 <PreGame> infobot: what is oils social security number?
May 19 05:32:01 <infobot> PreGame: I think you lost me on that one
May 19 05:32:12 <oil> its 00084046949a
May 19 05:32:28 <PreGame> a = alien
May 19 05:32:33 <oil> yes
May 19 06:14:08 <PrimerFender> how would I got about pulling apart the built in clock/alarm application? i'm think of making my own
May 19 06:18:44 <ka6sox> PrimerFender, you have the source :D
May 19 06:19:12 <ka6sox> oh wait...you mean teh palm one?
May 19 06:20:39 <PrimerFender> yeah
May 19 06:20:44 <PrimerFender> do i?
May 19 06:21:09 <ka6sox> no, you don't...I just looked for it.
May 19 06:21:49 <PrimerFender> oh crap you're right, C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\share\refcode\webos-applications\clock
May 19 06:21:57 <PrimerFender> didn't even bother...
May 19 06:22:27 <ka6sox> there you go!
May 19 06:25:54 <HattCzech> how do i copy files off of the emulator?
May 19 06:26:03 <rwhitby> scp
May 19 06:26:08 <rwhitby> or novacom get
May 19 06:26:19 <rwhitby> or so a virtualbox shared folder :)
May 19 06:26:24 <HattCzech> does scp work w/o me installing it?
May 19 06:26:33 <lemketron> rwhitby: is anyone using shared folders?
May 19 06:26:40 <HattCzech> hmmm
May 19 06:26:42 <HattCzech> that might be easier
May 19 06:27:06 <rwhitby> lemketron: haven't tried it.  I only do a second host-only network connection at the moment
May 19 06:27:36 <rwhitby> lemketron: (BTW, adding a second host-only network adapter would be a nice addition to the emulator - nudge nudge, wink wink)
May 19 06:28:05 <lemketron> Yeah, I've done that before.  Worked sometimes but the VBoxManage options seem to change with every release of VBox.  :-(
May 19 06:28:32 <lemketron> We could make it an option, I guess...
May 19 06:29:09 <rwhitby> lemketron: do you use the new host dns proxy for nat feature?
May 19 06:29:34 <rwhitby> works really well when you've moving a laptop between networks and want the guest DNS to just continue to work
May 19 06:29:55 <lemketron> BTW, anyone who has more than one keyboard and mouse on their desk (laptop included) really should check out Synergy (the kbd/mouse sharing one, that is, not Palm Synergy).  It totally rocks.  :-)
May 19 06:29:57 <HattCzech> i haven't played with the shared folder... how do i setup this transient folder?
May 19 06:30:14 <HattCzech> synergy is alright
May 19 06:30:20 <HattCzech> the locking is annoying
May 19 06:30:37 <rwhitby> lemketron: heh - I work the other way around - one keyboard, mouse and screen, many computers world-wide
May 19 06:31:03 <lemketron> one screen?  eeks.
May 19 06:31:05 <HattCzech> yeah, rdp and vnc work for that purpose also :)
May 19 06:31:17 <lemketron> I have three on my MacPro, and now a 4th on the laptop.
May 19 06:31:33 <lemketron> basking in the warm flourescent glow...
May 19 06:31:56 * rwhitby uses a single 15" laptop screen for everything
May 19 06:32:26 * lemketron thinks the webos-internals fund should buy rwhitby a 24" monitor
May 19 06:34:57 <lemketron> In any case, I'm heading out while I still have a chance to get home before midnight as I don't wish to start my bday at work.  :-)
May 19 06:34:58 <rwhitby> lemketron: I need to be able to see the same things as I move from desk to room to bus to home to couch to desk - changing monitors moves everything around too much
May 19 06:35:02 <oil> wow, single 15" sucks
May 19 06:35:14 <rwhitby> lemketron: happy b'day for tomorrow!
May 19 06:35:25 <lemketron> thanks!  'nite.
May 19 06:35:32 <HattCzech> okay, scp doesn't work
May 19 06:35:44 <HattCzech> and this shared folder doesn't seem to be, either
May 19 06:35:48 <lemketron> to the emulator?  try scp -P 5522 root@localhost
May 19 06:35:48 * PrimerFender uses a 42" screen for everything
May 19 06:36:08 <HattCzech> using winscp, i did, and it asks is sftp installed?
May 19 06:36:12 <lemketron> the emulator's ssh port is on localhost, mapped to port 5522.
May 19 06:36:29 <rwhitby> or just add a second host-only interface, and use the default port :)
May 19 06:37:52 <HattCzech> urg, i hoped this would be simple... click drag or something
May 19 06:38:54 <HattCzech> oops
May 19 06:38:57 <HattCzech> wrong protocol
May 19 06:40:26 <PrimerFender> wow there's a bunch of deactived code in this clocky
May 19 06:40:32 <PrimerFender> something about this.pucked
May 19 06:40:50 <rwhitby> puck == touchstone
May 19 06:41:58 <PrimerFender> yeah...does that mean i can enable the clock to show while it's touchstoned automagically? meh, I'll look at it later /me is tired
May 19 06:41:58 <lemketron-away> HattCzech: if you want to check it out in action, why not try the Ares Debugger?  Try http://ares.palm.com/AresDebug and type (for example) "clock" (or com.palm.app.clock) into the script filter field...
May 19 06:42:47 <lemketron-away> Everyone should give AresDebug a whirl since it connects easily and automatically to the emulator and will let you (source-level) debug any app running in it.
May 19 06:43:15 <lemketron-away> (will eventually work on the device too over usb)
May 19 06:43:17 <PrimerFender> HattCzech: sounds like a job for WebDAV! *wink*rwhittby*wink*
May 19 06:51:08 <rwhitby> lemketron-away: is there an offline version of that available?
May 19 06:51:37 <lemketron-away> not officially, but it doesn't hit the server once you've loaded it into your browser.  :-)
May 19 06:51:58 <rwhitby> gotcha
May 19 06:56:21 <HattCzech> programming question...
May 19 06:56:46 <HattCzech> if i'm adding items to an array, and i want to make sure i'm not adding something that is already in there... what's the best/easiest way to do that?
May 19 06:56:54 <ka6sox> morning swisstomcat
May 19 06:57:35 <swisstomcat> morning
May 19 06:57:54 <HattCzech> (very early) morning
May 19 07:00:00 <HattCzech> anyone? best way to not add duplicates to an array?
May 19 07:35:43 <Guest94843> how do i ut my pre in diveloper mode
May 19 07:35:48 <Guest94843> ?
May 19 07:36:54 <swisstomcat> hi
May 19 07:36:59 <hckyplayer024> upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart
May 19 07:37:06 <swisstomcat> webos20090606 works too
May 19 07:37:34 <swisstomcat> just enter that like you'd do an universal search
May 19 07:39:36 <hape> ~seen dBsooner
May 19 07:39:37 <infobot> dbsooner is currently on #webos-internals #webos-watercooler, last said: 'ka6sox: want an airave?'.
May 19 07:39:40 <rwhitby> or touch /var/gadget/enable_novacomd
May 19 07:40:00 <hape> dBsooner: Ping
May 19 08:49:31 <thalunil> hiya
May 19 08:49:44 <swisstomcat> hi
May 19 08:52:25 <thalunil> so i checked out the git tree for the messaging-plugins, unfortunately is the buildchain rather buggy. somebody has ready-made ipkg's for that?
May 19 08:52:39 <thalunil> or some insight into the build process %)
May 19 08:57:25 <rwhitby> run the build process on unbuntu 9.10 32 bit x86 server
May 19 09:13:37 <thalunil> rwhitby: is the patches section at git.webos-internals.org supposed to be automaticalliy build?
May 19 09:19:44 <swisstomcat> bbl
May 19 10:16:39 <swisstomcat> rehi
May 19 13:04:15 <mehigh> whats up
May 19 13:04:20 <mehigh> who else is here now
May 19 13:04:40 <en0x> infobot
May 19 13:04:54 <mehigh> lol
May 19 13:05:07 <mehigh> so im assuming everyone here has at least one patch on their pre/pixi ?
May 19 13:06:08 <swisstomcat> hi
May 19 13:06:53 <mehigh> sup
May 19 13:07:01 <swisstomcat> not much
May 19 13:07:04 <mehigh> so who has some time to guide a noob to patching :)
May 19 13:07:13 <swisstomcat> go ahead
May 19 13:07:24 <mehigh> i have a sprint pre and i think i wanna try that kernel patch to speed up the processor
May 19 13:07:33 <swisstomcat> allright
May 19 13:07:41 <mehigh> o just downloaded the .jar file
May 19 13:07:48 <swisstomcat> which one?
May 19 13:07:54 <mehigh> 3.12
May 19 13:08:01 <mehigh> is that the last one ?
May 19 13:08:14 <swisstomcat> yes, that's webosquickinstall
May 19 13:08:35 <mehigh> ok. just launched and ti says i gotta download the doctor. should i go into dev mode and plug my pre in now, or not yet ?
May 19 13:09:46 <swisstomcat> you need to download the correct webos doctor
May 19 13:09:48 <swisstomcat> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
May 19 13:10:16 <mehigh> oh. webosquickinstall just downloaded it automaticaly..
May 19 13:10:17 <mehigh> but ill check
May 19 13:11:22 <mehigh> alright. i just canced the first download and started it again. i have 1.4.1.1 so yeah..
May 19 13:11:24 <mehigh> 200 mb to go
May 19 13:11:42 <mehigh> should i get my pre ready now and go in dev mode ?
May 19 13:11:46 <swisstomcat> sure
May 19 13:12:33 <mehigh> restarting... and downloading...
May 19 13:12:50 <mehigh> so iot's govnah.. do u use it ?
May 19 13:13:41 <swisstomcat> it's the uberkernel and govnah to control it
May 19 13:13:42 <swisstomcat> yes, i use it
May 19 13:14:08 <mehigh> at what mhz do u have set up ?
May 19 13:14:25 <swisstomcat> between 500 and 800
May 19 13:15:15 <mehigh> i want mine at 600. just what the cpu was designed for.
May 19 13:19:09 <mehigh> windows is trying to install drivers for my phone now.. it says novacom tho. not palm
May 19 13:19:48 <swisstomcat> novacom is the program that talks to your pre
May 19 13:19:54 <mehigh> ok its done now
May 19 13:19:58 <mehigh> i clicked the blue button
May 19 13:20:09 <mehigh> preware
May 19 13:20:47 <mehigh> i cant find preware in that list.
May 19 13:22:21 <swisstomcat> Choose WebOS Internals Feed (Pre) or WebOS Internals Feed (Pixi) from  the dropdown list at the top.
May 19 13:22:24 <swisstomcat> did you do that step?
May 19 13:22:55 <mehigh> nope..
May 19 13:23:10 <swisstomcat> which instructions are you following?
May 19 13:23:41 <mehigh> i chose govnah and preware.
May 19 13:23:46 <mehigh> cuz i know preware has a bunch of shit in it too
May 19 13:23:51 <mehigh> and govnah is the kernel, right ?
May 19 13:23:55 <swisstomcat> just install preware
May 19 13:23:56 <mehigh> now just click the green button.
May 19 13:23:59 <mehigh> o ok
May 19 13:24:02 <mehigh> removing govnah...
May 19 13:24:12 <swisstomcat> you can install all the other stuff with preware afterwards
May 19 13:24:37 <mehigh> preware installed..
May 19 13:24:44 <mehigh> i think.. now what.
May 19 13:24:48 <mehigh> unplug the pre and restart ?
May 19 13:25:15 <swisstomcat> unplug, disable developer mode if you want
May 19 13:25:18 <mehigh> i just launched preware and its downloading the stuff.
May 19 13:25:22 <swisstomcat> start preware
May 19 13:26:24 <mehigh> so i gotta download kernel right ?
May 19 13:26:31 <mehigh> nope..
May 19 13:26:42 <swisstomcat> the uberkernel and govnah
May 19 13:26:52 <mehigh> so im in preware
May 19 13:26:57 <mehigh> i click "avlbl packages" right ?
May 19 13:27:04 <mehigh> then what.
May 19 13:27:08 <swisstomcat> you can also type to search
May 19 13:27:30 <mehigh> ooo
May 19 13:27:33 <mehigh> k
May 19 13:27:43 <mehigh> downlaoding govnah
May 19 13:28:13 <mehigh> downlaoding uberkernet
May 19 13:28:26 <swisstomcat> very good
May 19 13:30:17 <mehigh> so which one do i launch now.. kernetl or govan
May 19 13:30:49 <mehigh> restarting..
May 19 13:33:22 <mehigh> long ass restart..
May 19 13:33:37 <mehigh> where u from swiss
May 19 13:35:04 <mehigh> ok done restarting. do i launch govnah or kernel ?
May 19 13:35:58 * swisstomcat is from switzerland
May 19 13:36:09 <swisstomcat> govnah is used to control the kernel
May 19 13:36:09 * mehigh launched both
May 19 13:36:49 <mehigh> aha found it..
May 19 13:37:20 <mehigh> dang. which governor..
May 19 13:37:44 <swisstomcat> you could use an easy one .. screenstate
May 19 13:38:10 <mehigh> phone froze lol
May 19 13:38:42 <mehigh> ok so i get what min and max freqs are..
May 19 13:38:53 <mehigh> what's sampling rate and up threshold ?
May 19 13:39:08 <swisstomcat> screenstate switches between 500 when the screen is off and whatever you choose when it's on
May 19 13:39:16 <swisstomcat> (the screen)
May 19 13:40:22 <thalunil> back
May 19 13:40:34 <mehigh> my phone froze. never had this before.. about to take the battery out
May 19 13:40:56 <thalunil> frozen UI oder completly frozen?
May 19 13:41:10 <mehigh> dunno. nothing is happening
May 19 13:41:11 <thalunil> the luna UI will restart itself and crashes from time to time
May 19 13:41:19 <mehigh> buttons, power.. nothing
May 19 13:41:31 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: you see halladay yesterday? that was garbage haha
May 19 13:41:35 <thalunil> have you installed novacom and friends?
May 19 13:41:51 <mehigh> no
May 19 13:41:57 <mehigh> just preware and kernel and govnah
May 19 13:42:04 <nt4cats> yeah, a 2-run complete game, RAISING his ERA to 1.64 is embarrassing, you're right.
May 19 13:42:19 <nebula> gahhhbage
May 19 13:42:21 <thalunil> mehigh: well, if you installe novacom an your PC you can use "novaterm" to get a console on your phone
May 19 13:42:37 <thalunil> mehigh: and if the console appears: your phone does not hang
May 19 13:42:43 <mehigh> o
May 19 13:42:45 <thalunil> mehigh: for the moment, just hard reset it
May 19 13:43:02 <mehigh> i just took the attery out and poutting it back in
May 19 13:43:34 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: your ace has 1/2 the wins and more than 2x the ERA.  I'm just sayin'
May 19 13:44:20 <thalunil> anyone with some insight into the messaging-plugins?
May 19 13:44:27 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: lol I don't watch baseball anymore ;)
May 19 13:44:34 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: ... and my team has the best record in the NL.  I'm just sayin'
May 19 13:44:49 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: I was referring to the fact that he got the L was crap
May 19 13:45:59 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: yeah, considering that his teammates scored 12 runs for the pitcher the day before (and his defense had 3 errors behind him) , I can understand him being miffed
May 19 13:46:11 <mehigh> phone restarted... shows a battery with a question mark in it ?
May 19 13:46:40 <thalunil> mehigh: is it full?
May 19 13:46:49 <thalunil> mehigh: have no idea what symbol this is
May 19 13:47:03 <mehigh> ill jus take it out and back in again..
May 19 13:47:08 <thalunil> yeah yeah
May 19 13:47:57 <mehigh> re-re-restarting
May 19 13:48:06 <mehigh> :D
May 19 13:48:40 <thalunil> where's the testing version of Preware?
May 19 13:50:14 <mehigh> ok.. and im back in biz.. launching govnah ... again
May 19 13:50:34 <HattCzech> mehigh:  i can't run the kernel, fyi
May 19 13:50:48 <HattCzech> every time i would try to change the governor, my phone would freeze
May 19 13:50:53 <HattCzech> and i'd have to remove the battery
May 19 13:51:01 <mehigh> same thing happened to me hatt
May 19 13:51:42 <HattCzech> makes me sad that i can't make my phone run a little faster :(
May 19 13:52:04 <mehigh> i think i just set mine to 600.. how do i verify that
May 19 13:53:46 <thalunil> i would try "cat /proc/cpuinfo" :)
May 19 13:53:48 <HattCzech> do you have a terminal to the device?
May 19 13:54:17 <thalunil> install the novacom package, and run "novaterm"
May 19 13:54:18 <mehigh> where do i type that in? also.. do i have to restart for the new governor to apply? or is it auto ?
May 19 13:55:09 <mehigh> novacom is not in preware
May 19 13:55:40 <HattCzech> download novaterm
May 19 13:55:42 <swisstomcat> you can use webosquickinstall to get a terminal to you pre where you can enter cat /proc/cpuinfo
May 19 13:55:50 <thalunil> no no, its a development suite for you PC
May 19 13:56:17 <mehigh> ok ill google it
May 19 13:56:49 <swisstomcat> just use webosquickinstall, you already have it
May 19 13:56:51 <mehigh> is ths it?http://www.kludgesoft.com/c64/nt10.html
May 19 13:56:56 <mehigh> o ok
May 19 13:57:42 <mehigh> restarting again.. need to go in dev mode
May 19 14:06:49 <mehigh> ok novaterm/novacom is not in webosquickinstal...
May 19 14:08:14 <swisstomcat> no, no
May 19 14:08:21 <swisstomcat> the terminal is in webosquickinstall
May 19 14:08:32 <swisstomcat> nothing to install
May 19 14:08:44 <swisstomcat> just call it from the menu
May 19 14:10:10 <mehigh> linux commandline ?
May 19 14:11:16 <mehigh> ok got it
May 19 14:11:58 <mehigh> whats different between freq and speed ?
May 19 14:12:05 <mehigh> it asks for min freq, max freq, and speed
May 19 14:12:19 <HattCzech> i think speed is current
May 19 14:12:35 <HattCzech> min is the lowest allowed when stepping down, max is highest when stepping up
May 19 14:12:48 <swisstomcat> from the linux commandline you can do "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
May 19 14:12:54 <swisstomcat> to find out your current speed
May 19 14:17:37 <PuffTheMagic> mehigh: u should google cpufreq
May 19 14:17:47 <PuffTheMagic> before asking any more questions
May 19 14:27:25 <ka6sox> the govnah app displays the current frequency
May 19 14:28:52 <ka6sox> and the graph behind the frequency displays what frequencies the CPU has been stepping around.
May 19 14:31:18 <thalunil> yay, fresh Preware 1.0.3 :)
May 19 14:31:22 <thalunil> in German :)
May 19 14:34:42 <swisstomcat> yup, i've added some more german translations
May 19 14:34:53 <thalunil> works
May 19 14:56:59 <swisstomcat> bbl
May 19 15:01:34 <jag12345> Hi!  Can I get some help regarding kernels for pre plus here?
May 19 15:02:28 <VincentLaw> what's the question
May 19 15:03:38 <jag12345> Are there any working kernels available for AT&T version, 1.4.2??  I've tried Super PreKernel (but doesn't go beyond 600MHz) and I can't seem to locate a working Uber-kernel.
May 19 15:04:30 <jag12345> I'm just transfered from iPhone and Android (Nexus) and am very familiar with kernel patches and things of that sort....but I'm new to the Pre scene.
May 19 15:05:23 <thalunil> so, are you missing UberKernel in Preware?
May 19 15:05:32 <thalunil> it should be version 1.4.1-21
May 19 15:06:20 <jag12345> Yes, I actually am missing UberKernel in Preware.  Govnah shows up but not Uberkernel.
May 19 15:08:42 <jag12345> is there an ipk available which I can directly install from WebOS QuickInstall?
May 19 15:11:18 <en0x> look for it on ipkg.preware.org/feeds
May 19 15:12:26 <bpadalino|work> is the kernel for 1.4.2 the same as 1.4.1.1 ?
May 19 15:13:30 <en0x> i dont think that there is a huge difference
May 19 15:13:41 <en0x> maybe there is none
May 19 15:14:04 <bpadalino|work> that would be something interesting to try out i suppose ..
May 19 15:17:35 <jag12345> when I search for uber kernel, I get Uber-Kernel (Palm Pre/Pre+) however it says version 1.4.0-0  Should I use that one?  There's also CPUSCalerUber.
May 19 15:18:14 <bpadalino|work> if it screws up, do you mind doctoring your phone ?
May 19 15:18:29 <bpadalino|work> you can boot into bootie
May 19 15:18:37 <bpadalino|work> and have bootie boot a kernel from memory if you want
May 19 15:18:44 <bpadalino|work> it's less permanent
May 19 15:19:53 <en0x> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/1.4.1.1/org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre_1.4.1-21_arm.ipk
May 19 15:20:14 <jag12345> en0x, is that the one I should use?
May 19 15:20:48 <en0x> u can try it... it should work on att if not then you will need to doctor but i think it should work without issues
May 19 15:21:36 <jag12345> okay I've never doctored so can you point me in the right direction to that so I can read up a little bit about that portion.
May 19 15:21:50 <en0x> http://palm.com/ROM
May 19 15:23:07 <jag12345> Okay so what does doctoring essentially do?  Is it just like a iPhone Restore or a Windows Mobile Hard Reset?
May 19 15:23:25 <en0x> it removes the os and install new one
May 19 15:23:34 <en0x> webos-internals.org
May 19 15:23:37 <en0x> go read there
May 19 15:24:11 <jag12345> sounds good...thanks a lot!!
May 19 15:27:54 <HattCzech> anyone in here fluent in spanish
May 19 15:27:58 <HattCzech> ?
May 19 15:28:09 <jag12345> okay when I try installing that kernel from webos quick install, I get "error...blah....kernel is not compatible with this webOS version, aborting."
May 19 15:29:22 <bpadalino|work> well isn't that something
May 19 15:29:45 <thalunil> jag12345: what web os version?
May 19 15:29:53 <jag12345> 1.4.2
May 19 15:30:13 <thalunil> wow - thats new
May 19 15:30:29 <thalunil> ok, so you have to wait or build it for yourself
May 19 15:30:30 <Major> It's the version for ATT
May 19 15:30:46 <jag12345> yah that's what comes on the new AT&T Pre's
May 19 15:31:09 <Major> most likly just to give yp and stuff like that
May 19 15:31:37 <Major> Does anyone know a way to ftp to a website via the pre?
May 19 15:32:14 <bpadalino|work> you want to run an ftp client ?
May 19 15:32:21 <Major> yes
May 19 15:32:32 <bpadalino|work> jag12345: sbromwich or uNiXpSyChO are good kernel guys to talk to ..
May 19 15:32:43 <bpadalino|work> they could probably help you out in testing kernels with the att pre
May 19 15:32:58 <bpadalino|work> Major: terminal and wget probably works i'd guess ?
May 19 15:33:15 <thalunil> i assume: a full featured ftp client ,)
May 19 15:33:31 <thalunil> not spotted
May 19 15:33:57 <jag12345> awesome!  Do you know of a good way to get in touch with either?
May 19 15:34:02 <Major> bpadalino|work: I can't send something on the pre to the website though with wget
May 19 15:34:04 <bpadalino|work> jag12345: /msg them ?
May 19 15:34:16 <bpadalino|work> oh you want to ftp up!
May 19 15:34:19 <Major> msg or precentral
May 19 15:34:24 <Major> Yes ftp up sorry
May 19 15:34:40 <bpadalino|work> a nice graphical ftp client would be nice with the whole PDK thing going on ..
May 19 15:34:44 <bpadalino|work> that's for sure
May 19 15:35:10 <bpadalino|work> does curl come on the phone ?
May 19 15:35:23 <Major> Yeah I'm agreeing with that... I wish i wouldn't have decided that i hated java ... I on purpose did not learn it cause i hate it that bad lol
May 19 15:35:35 <Major> hmm good question
May 19 15:35:41 <bpadalino|work> good news: it's just C/C++ and Javascript!
May 19 15:35:41 <en0x> it should
May 19 15:35:47 <bpadalino|work> and Javascript has nothing to do with java :)
May 19 15:36:05 <Major> Oh it's javascript and not java?? sweet i can code that all day long
May 19 15:36:18 <bpadalino|work> yeah man
May 19 15:36:45 <bpadalino|work> html/css/js for the front end .. and the PDK handles the heavy lifting (C/C++ for sockets/libcurl)
May 19 15:36:59 <Major> Ah i never learns c
May 19 15:37:03 <Major> leaned
May 19 15:37:05 <Major> GAH
May 19 15:37:08 <Major> learned
May 19 15:37:09 <bpadalino|work> it's OK - you can pick it up or get some good help i am sure :)
May 19 15:37:16 <bpadalino|work> other people here are probably interested in a nice FTP client ..
May 19 15:37:28 <bpadalino|work> open source the effort and maybe someone here will be willing to help out
May 19 15:38:00 <bpadalino|work> check out some of the PDK documentation: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=page&id=1936
May 19 15:38:21 <sbromwich> jag12345: until 1.4.2 is pushed out more widely and made available on opensource.palm.com I can't compile kernels for it.
May 19 15:38:40 * uNiXpSyChO tip toes by...
May 19 15:39:54 <Major> LOL
May 19 15:40:21 * Major snares uNiXpSyChO 
May 19 15:40:45 * uNiXpSyChO trips on falls on my face
May 19 15:41:41 <jag12345> Thanks sbromwich!!  Is there absolutely no work around kernel or something temp that I can use until that happens?
May 19 15:42:10 <en0x> the pre is fast with a stock kernel
May 19 15:43:03 <jag12345> in fact it actually isn't.  Coming from 3GS and Nexus One, it seems to lag beyond imagination....and mine is pretty much stock, except for preware.
May 19 15:43:21 <Major> preware make it non stock lol
May 19 15:43:34 <jag12345> haha
May 19 15:43:35 <jag12345> right
May 19 15:43:36 <Major> hmm no ftp commands in commandline
May 19 15:44:02 <en0x> jag12345, u should see the speed when there was webos 1.0.2
May 19 15:44:03 <en0x> ;]
May 19 15:44:08 <bpadalino|work> Major: you could use optware (do people still use that?) to install an ftp client ?
May 19 15:44:23 <jag12345> i meant i don't have a lot of other crap installated (patches and stuff).
May 19 15:44:24 <Major> hmmm
May 19 15:45:20 <Major> bpadalino|work trying to make it as legit as possible so many it gets in the app store to make a buck or two or maybe not lo
May 19 15:46:30 <bpadalino|work> oh, then use the PDK ..
May 19 15:46:33 <bpadalino|work> don't do commandline stuff
May 19 15:46:42 <uNiXpSyChO> jag12345: if you look through precentral it is not hard to find a test kernel
May 19 15:46:42 <bpadalino|work> i think they have libcurl (or will soon)
May 19 15:46:47 <bpadalino|work> so learning libcurl would be good
May 19 15:49:34 <Major> yeah libcurl would work
May 19 15:50:52 <jag12345> en0x: I can't imagine how much drag there would've been then.  But I mean, I can a noticable difference when going from 500 to 600MHz...so I can only imagine how fast 800MHz would be.
May 19 15:54:10 <Major> hmm no fxp but thats not major
May 19 16:06:46 <sbromwich> jag12345: don't know, I haven't seen 1.4.2 so I don't know either way
May 19 16:09:12 <jag12345> This maybe the oddest question to ask here, perticularly.  But I'll take a dive.... I just purchased this Pre Plus and I have a 32GB 3GS sitting around...should I stick with Pre or iPhone?? I really enjoy the webOS UI but the phone lags tremendously comparitively!
May 19 16:09:59 <zsoc_wirc> jag12345: take a stab at overclocking it with preware, uber kernel, and govnah. my phone is just a fast as an iphone now.
May 19 16:10:42 <zsoc_wirc> jag12345: plus if you stick it out till 1.5, the UI in general should be a lot smoother and snappier, even without overclocking.
May 19 16:11:38 <jag12345> zsoc_wirc: See that's the thing, unfortunately, I can't even do that right now becuase the kernels are not developed yet for 1.4.2!
May 19 16:11:55 <phil_bw> jag12345, I'm still running at stock speeds on a non-plus Pre.  I've found that most tasks are  actually quite usable on a daily basis.
May 19 16:13:30 <zsoc_wirc> jag12345: oh. I don't believe much (anything?) has changed in the kernel for 1.4.2, I an verify that. giveme 5 minutes.
May 19 16:14:22 <zsoc_wirc> hmmm... palm hasn't but 1.4.2 packages up yet on their opensource site.
May 19 16:14:22 <jag12345> zsoc_wirc: sure def. take ur time! any help is greatly appreciated!
May 19 16:14:35 <zsoc_wirc> jag12345: you could do a backup and then be a guinny pig? :D
May 19 16:14:55 <jag12345> would love to be!
May 19 16:15:48 <zsoc_wirc> jag12345: does your preware show access to most packages and patches? I'm assuming rod fixed the symlinks for 142. I have no att dev phone to test with tho
May 19 16:17:06 <jag12345> i've got about 10 days left to make up my mind. :)
May 19 16:17:27 <jag12345> Yes it shows mostly everything on Preware!
May 19 16:17:55 <Major> BTW if you send anything to rod through the mail and your in the US send it USPS man is it fast and cheap
May 19 16:17:58 <jag12345> I've got Super Prekernel and CPUScalerUber....I saw Uber-Kernel 1.4.0 earlier but I don't see it anymore.
May 19 16:17:59 <zsoc_wirc> jag12345: does the uber kernel actually fail/error? or is it just not in preware?
May 19 16:18:19 <zsoc_wirc> jag12345: oh god, don't user super prekernel :/
May 19 16:18:31 <jag12345> haha ...okay...it doesn't work anyway.
May 19 16:18:57 <zsoc_wirc> jag12345: what is listed under installable->kernels ?
May 19 16:20:56 <jag12345> It's just not in Preware...when I try to install from webOS QI, it gives an error saying kernel is not for current webOS version.
May 19 16:22:00 <zsoc_wirc> jag12345: ok. can you stil around for a few hours? I'll get in touch with the uberkernel devs and see if it's 1.) safe, and 2.) if they an build a package that allows for 1.4.2 install
May 19 16:22:22 <uNiXpSyChO> just try my bleeding kernel ;-)
May 19 16:22:24 <jag12345> yah I'm definitely here!  Please let me know however I can help!
May 19 16:22:25 <zsoc_wirc> I could actually do it but I'm at work and won't have access to push a patch like that for another... 5 hours or so
May 19 16:22:33 <zsoc_wirc> uNiXpSyChO: marco!
May 19 16:22:40 * uNiXpSyChO runs
May 19 16:22:47 <zsoc_wirc> uNiXpSyChO: is bleeding govnah compat?
May 19 16:23:13 <uNiXpSyChO> it will work with it... but i build in only 1 governor for testing
May 19 16:23:29 <zsoc_wirc> which one? :p
May 19 16:23:37 <uNiXpSyChO> hmmm... i wonder? ;-)
May 19 16:23:44 <zsoc_wirc> sbromwich: pangdangdoodle
May 19 16:23:56 <zsoc_wirc> preoccupied1: yo
May 19 16:24:11 <zsoc_wirc> uNiXpSyChO: ... I suddenly feel stupid
May 19 16:24:34 <uNiXpSyChO> why
May 19 16:25:12 <zsoc_wirc> because I feel like I should understand your winky face, and I dont
May 19 16:25:55 <uNiXpSyChO> have you missed all the action with the screenstate governor?
May 19 16:26:05 <preoccupied1> zsoc_wirc: hey, long time no speak. how's it going?
May 19 16:26:20 <zsoc_wirc> uNiXpSyChO: action? well.. I'm using it? so? you mean with the touchstone stuff?
May 19 16:26:39 <zsoc_wirc> preoccupied: hey.. yeah, I haven't worked on zcorder since the beta.. been on vaca
May 19 16:26:59 <uNiXpSyChO> zsoc_wirc: yeah.  lots of changes and test kernels thrown around.
May 19 16:27:18 <preoccupied> zsoc_wirc: that's great! where'd you go?
May 19 16:27:47 <jag12345> sorry to interrupt guys but ....uNiXpSyCh0, did I miss something or does your kernel work with 1.4.2?
May 19 16:28:15 <zsoc_wirc> preoccupied: an international secret ;)
May 19 16:28:38 <zsoc_wirc> jag12345: I believe he hasn't tested it.
May 19 16:29:05 <jag12345> zsoc_wirc: well that's what I'm here for. :)
May 19 16:29:07 <zsoc_wirc> jag12345: the real problem is, we don't have the kernel source yet, and are waiting for palm to release it
May 19 16:30:27 <uNiXpSyChO> jag12345: i should.  it only checks for version 1.4.x.  so it should install.
May 19 16:30:39 <jag12345> zsoc_wirc: how about downgrading the firmware (or whatever term is used or webOS)?
May 19 16:31:28 <zsoc_wirc> jag12345: kernel source is not in the release
May 19 16:32:01 <jag12345> uNiXpSyChO: sounds good...so how do I go about obtaining your kernel?
May 19 16:32:18 <uNiXpSyChO> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/243675-compcache-kernel-experimental.html
May 19 16:33:20 <jag12345> zsoc_wirc: got it!  I'll try out the uNiXpSyChO kernel for now...hopefully I'll have better luck then whats been going on.
May 19 16:33:37 <halfhalo> Puppy! http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1208312&l=1b9022f990&id=1405090480
May 19 16:36:07 <zsoc_wirc> halfhalo: not particularly on topic
May 19 16:37:27 <phil_bw> zsoc_wirc, and how do you know that that particular puppy isn't overclocked?
May 19 16:37:59 <zsoc_wirc> phil_bw: maybe, but it's not multitasking
May 19 16:38:02 * halfhalo wonders how puppies could ever BE on topic?
May 19 16:38:38 <phil_bw> zsoc_wirc, I've seen my own dog eat and pass gas at the same time, I'm sure his could too ;)
May 19 16:39:50 <halfhalo> It was one of my first pictures with my new camera
May 19 16:40:17 <phil_bw> very nice
May 19 16:40:57 <jag12345> uNiXpSyChO: the kernel installed without errors.  The phone restarting now.
May 19 16:42:59 <jag12345> okay!! govnah registering 800MHz!!
May 19 16:43:07 <uNiXpSyChO> woohoo
May 19 16:43:31 <jag12345> YAY!!! You're awesome!!
May 19 16:44:21 <uNiXpSyChO> All standard disclaimers apply...  we havent made a 1.4.2 kernel yet.. although we heard not much changed.
May 19 16:44:43 <zsoc_wirc> jag12345: thank you for participating in our programs. please check back for official 142 compat release
May 19 16:45:11 <jag12345> wsoc_wirc: thanks a bunch!!
May 19 16:45:18 <Major> Jag12345: Does the phone feel muh more responsive?
May 19 16:46:05 <jag12345> One more thing guys, what temperature range is comfortable for the phone operations...without frying anything?
May 19 16:46:42 <jag12345> Major: definitely MUCH faster!
May 19 16:47:00 <zsoc_wirc> jag12345: I try to keep it below 45
May 19 16:47:04 <Major> I would say mid 30's  with extended use to 40 max...
May 19 16:47:29 <zsoc_wirc> I'm hard on my hardware tho.
May 19 16:47:42 <Major> mine hits 45 only on the touchstone
May 19 16:47:51 * uNiXpSyChO heh heh heh... zsoc said "hard"
May 19 16:47:55 <Major> LOL
May 19 16:48:00 <jag12345> okay well that sounds good...40-45 max...that makes sense.
May 19 16:48:05 <jag12345> hhaha
May 19 16:48:43 * Major just installed the PDK
May 19 16:49:10 <zsoc_wirc> try installing it on linux, it's more fun ;)
May 19 16:49:27 <jag12345> Is there a "fail safe" or something similar in Govnah to where if temperature reaches that much, it will automatically back down the speed to 500MHz?
May 19 16:49:37 <Major> my ubuntu machine is not on right now to install it there
May 19 16:49:58 <zsoc_wirc> Major: the joke is that it's not technically linux compatible :)
May 19 16:50:04 <Major> LOL
May 19 16:50:29 <Major> then the joke would have been on me as I would have tried too
May 19 16:51:30 <jag12345> I know on ANdroid there's SetCPU and that has a Fail Safe profile.
May 19 16:55:50 <zsoc_wirc> jag12345: right now no. it could be done pretty easily tho.
May 19 16:56:18 <uNiXpSyChO> jag12345: i know there's a temp montitor app that will alert you tho.  the name escapes me.
May 19 16:57:29 <jag12345> zsoc_wirc; uNiXpSyChO: thanks for the info guys...I'll look around for a temp monitor.
May 19 17:02:08 <HattCzech> now if only i could figure out why my phone freezes with the kernel... urg
May 19 17:02:50 <zsoc_wirc> HattCzech: I would love to know. I haven't been able to get that to happen over here
May 19 17:06:34 <HattCzech> let me try it real quick
May 19 17:06:48 <HattCzech> i'll let you know if there are any defining messages
May 19 17:09:07 <HattCzech> zsoc_wirc: is there a better place to watch logs? (aside from /var/log/messages ?)
May 19 17:09:24 <zsoc_wirc> I'm not the one to ask. uNiXpSyChO or sbromwich
May 19 17:09:37 <HattCzech> uNiXpSyChO: ping
May 19 17:09:41 * oil expects the elite webos hacker to know everything!
May 19 17:09:53 <uNiXpSyChO> echo-reply
May 19 17:10:15 <HattCzech> is there a better place to watch logs? (aside from /var/log/messages ?) when doing kernel stuff
May 19 17:10:53 <uNiXpSyChO> dmesg is your kernel buffer.  /var/log/messages is polluted with other stuff not kernel related
May 19 17:11:08 <uNiXpSyChO> there is a kern.log IIRC
May 19 17:12:40 <HattCzech> alrighty, installing again... once i reboot i'll let u know
May 19 17:12:57 <Major> jag12345 the temp monitor is on precentral under Jason Robtille
May 19 17:13:31 <Major> and cancunk software in the forums
May 19 17:15:42 <jag12345> Major: thanks a lot for that info!
May 19 17:20:09 <sbromwich> HattCzech: check /etc/PmLog.conf for file locations
May 19 17:20:27 <HattCzech> thanks
May 19 17:21:05 <sbromwich>  /var/log/kern.log might be what you're after
May 19 17:21:31 <HattCzech> and here comes the freeze :)
May 19 17:21:57 <sbromwich> is it running of battery?
May 19 17:22:08 <sbromwich> s/of/off/
May 19 17:22:08 <infobot> sbromwich meant: is it running off battery?
May 19 17:22:09 <HattCzech> plugged in right now
May 19 17:22:21 <HattCzech> so i can watch the log
May 19 17:22:31 <sbromwich> does it come back post freeze or is that it?
May 19 17:22:54 <HattCzech> it will sometimes update the screen to the new setting, and then it's battery removal time
May 19 17:23:05 <HattCzech> the screenstate governor is a good one, right?
May 19 17:23:16 <sbromwich> should be o
May 19 17:23:18 <sbromwich> k
May 19 17:24:00 <HattCzech> hmmm, didn't freeze
May 19 17:24:10 <HattCzech> and nothing in the kern.log about my change
May 19 17:24:15 <sbromwich> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SBromwichKernel has my current settings
May 19 17:25:24 <HattCzech> i have my max set to 600
May 19 17:25:27 <HattCzech> i may try 720
May 19 17:25:49 <sbromwich> the way I have it set up 550 is max on battery, 800 is max on charger
May 19 17:25:55 <HattCzech> hmmm, that didn't freeze either
May 19 17:25:58 <sbromwich> most of the time the phone is running at 125
May 19 17:26:11 <HattCzech> i heard it was a bit choppy in the transition at 125
May 19 17:26:15 <HattCzech> so i set it to 250
May 19 17:26:30 <sbromwich> "choppy"?
May 19 17:27:02 <HattCzech> that there was some lag time on the interface to get it up to speed
May 19 17:27:08 <HattCzech> i never tried it, so i don't know
May 19 17:27:25 <sbromwich> no, it's effectively instantaneous
May 19 17:27:49 <HattCzech> okay, set it to 125
May 19 17:28:00 <HattCzech> do the ondemand and conservative governors work?
May 19 17:28:06 <HattCzech> those were the ones i tried when it froze
May 19 17:28:08 <sbromwich> the problem IMO is when running at 125 the delay loops are off compared to the default boot speed, if you're running a kernel with prcm fixes that shouldn't be an issue
May 19 17:28:22 <sbromwich> ondemand may cause problems with voice calls
May 19 17:28:31 <sbromwich> conservative, screenstate and performance should be fine
May 19 17:28:59 <sbromwich> I'm running a 27 hour uptime on mine at the moment with performance
May 19 17:29:08 <HattCzech> is there a location for where the kernel change might get logged?
May 19 17:29:42 <sbromwich> in terms of what?
May 19 17:29:53 <HattCzech> switching governors or speeds or anything
May 19 17:30:24 <sbromwich>  /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/
May 19 17:30:39 <sbromwich> watch -n 1 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/*
May 19 17:32:54 <HattCzech> hmmm, so when the screen is off... it's still at 500?
May 19 17:35:10 <HattCzech> (that was with it plugged in)
May 19 17:36:40 <HattCzech> never went down to 125 or 250
May 19 17:36:42 <HattCzech> odd
May 19 17:37:00 <uNiXpSyChO> what governor?
May 19 17:37:06 <HattCzech> screenstate
May 19 17:37:22 <uNiXpSyChO> what is the kernel version?  cat /proc/version
May 19 17:37:46 <HattCzech> 2.6.24-joplin
May 19 17:38:06 <uNiXpSyChO> full string.  that is standard
May 19 17:38:11 <HattCzech> sorry
May 19 17:38:37 <HattCzech> how do i cnp from novaterm?
May 19 17:39:02 <uNiXpSyChO> from windows?  dunno?  i use Linux
May 19 17:39:13 <uNiXpSyChO> is this UberKernel install?
May 19 17:39:14 <HattCzech> if i could use putty, i'd have no problem
May 19 17:39:19 <HattCzech> yes, uberkernel
May 19 17:39:33 <uNiXpSyChO> oh.  UberKernel screenstate version wont allow scaling below 500.
May 19 17:39:42 <uNiXpSyChO> is ignores it
May 19 17:39:46 <HattCzech> hmmm
May 19 17:39:57 <HattCzech> so which governor would work best?
May 19 17:40:10 <uNiXpSyChO> depends on what you want to do. thats why you have choices
May 19 17:40:45 <HattCzech> better battery, but higher performance when in use
May 19 17:40:57 <HattCzech> so if the screen were off, 125 or 250 would be fine
May 19 17:41:08 <HattCzech> when it's on, a bit higher (currently set to 600)
May 19 17:42:08 <uNiXpSyChO> if your pre is stable at those low speeds then choose conservative and set a low threshold
May 19 17:42:23 <uNiXpSyChO> there are too many problems running at low speeds
May 19 17:42:33 <HattCzech> ohhh, i wasn't aware of that
May 19 17:43:43 <HattCzech> guess i'll stick with screenstate and 500-600
May 19 17:45:38 <zsoc_wirc> ... my screnstate goes below 500
May 19 17:46:05 <HattCzech> ... lucky!
May 19 17:46:09 <uNiXpSyChO> how did you do that
May 19 17:46:35 <HattCzech> but if there are issues, maybe not so lucky
May 19 17:46:57 <sbromwich> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SBromwichKernel has an option for a naive userspace governor that may work better for you HattCzech
May 19 17:47:00 <zsoc_wirc> oh look at that
May 19 17:47:03 <zsoc_wirc> no it doesnt
May 19 17:47:03 <zsoc_wirc> ha
May 19 17:47:06 <zsoc_wirc> sorry
May 19 17:48:11 <sbromwich> palm-webos-device stats # cat time_in_state  | sort -nk2 | tail -n 2
May 19 17:48:12 <sbromwich> 800000 163503
May 19 17:48:14 <sbromwich> 125000 6220041
May 19 17:49:12 <HattCzech> i don't see your kernel in the testing feed
May 19 17:49:44 <nt4cats> HattCzech: in the kernel feed? (guessing)
May 19 17:49:55 <sbromwich> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/1.4.1.1/org.webosinternals.kernels.sbromwich-kernel-pre_1.4.1-26_arm.ipk
May 19 17:50:21 <HattCzech> hmmm, i may have 1.4.1 and not 1.4.1.1
May 19 17:50:55 <sbromwich> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/1.4.1/org.webosinternals.kernels.sbromwich-kernel-pre_1.4.1-26_arm.ipk
May 19 17:51:55 * sbromwich is watching a pool game on tv wherein both players are attempting to snooker each other
May 19 17:51:56 <HattCzech> or vice versa
May 19 17:51:58 <sbromwich> not going so well.
May 19 17:54:04 <HattCzech> hmmm, how many testing feeds are there now?
May 19 17:54:12 <en0x> 2342421
May 19 17:54:25 <HattCzech> that's quite a few
May 19 17:54:42 <en0x> [;
May 19 17:55:21 <sbromwich> webos testing feeds or just generally how many testing feeds are there out there?
May 19 17:55:51 <sbromwich> if it's the former, a trawl through http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/ will reveal the answer
May 19 17:55:57 <nt4cats> HattCzech: there  http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/
May 19 17:57:04 <HattCzech> i've been looking through that, but thanks
May 19 17:57:05 <nt4cats> HattCzech: I asked rwhitby why kernels weren't in the "webos-internals/testing*" area -- and he explained to me that kernels neeed to be "versioned" to go along with the webOS release on your phone (like patches)
May 19 17:57:21 <sbromwich> HattCzech: that's the authoritative source for feeds
May 19 17:57:25 <sbromwich> plus what nt4cats said
May 19 17:57:53 <nt4cats> (which is really what rwhitby said)
May 19 17:58:04 <sbromwich> heh
May 19 17:58:42 <HattCzech> will preware automatically update my version number when i upgrade? :)
May 19 17:58:54 <HattCzech> (from 1.4.1.1 to whatever the new one will be)
May 19 17:58:55 <sbromwich> dunno, let us know when you do
May 19 17:59:33 <HattCzech> heheh
May 19 18:00:01 <HattCzech> i think the feeds should have just the initial path, then append the version based on the device
May 19 18:00:43 <HattCzech> which it seems like there's already something going on there
May 19 18:01:33 <sbromwich> yup
May 19 18:01:47 <sbromwich> 1.4.1 is what I have so that's all I can test
May 19 18:01:54 <sbromwich> anything else is autobuilt and best effort
May 19 18:02:26 <sbromwich> http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html maxes at 1.4.1.1
May 19 18:02:51 <sbromwich> perhaps a subtle mention to a palm person would get later versions pushed out ;-)
May 19 18:14:09 <mikePre> anyone else seeing problems with preware 1.0.3 not installing patches succesfully, but Preware saying it was a Success?
May 19 18:14:11 <mikePre> http://bit.ly/9HAerY
May 19 18:33:08 <swisstomcat> evening
May 19 18:41:31 <sbromwich> heavens, look, if that isn't a palm person right there!
May 19 18:41:52 <sbromwich> lemkretron, does someone have releasing 1.4.2 source on opensource.palm.com on their todo list?
May 19 18:42:36 <sbromwich> or whatever the latest version is.
May 19 18:42:45 <sbromwich> being in canada, I am of course somewhat backward.
May 19 18:42:56 <sbromwich> but we have good beer!
May 19 18:47:38 <en0x> we in poland have better beer
May 19 18:48:45 <sbromwich> only lagers
May 19 18:49:00 <sbromwich> bitters are better over here
May 19 18:49:11 <sbromwich> not as good in the uk, but most passable
May 19 18:49:19 <sbromwich> best example being the caffeinated moka ale
May 19 18:57:14 <mikePre> where should someone go when they are experienceing issues with preware?
May 19 18:57:35 <en0x> herre
May 19 18:58:03 <chrisa> rwhitby's address
May 19 18:59:56 <mikePre> ok, just checking ot make sure I am int he right place, I posted to the precentral forums, and here, just seeing odd things with 1.0.3
May 19 19:00:19 <Kyusaku> like what
May 19 19:02:46 <mikePre> http://webos.pastebin.com/gQiJZGky
May 19 19:03:58 <swisstomcat> let's see
May 19 19:07:24 <bpadalino|work> interesting it's looking in that place
May 19 19:10:42 <mikePre> yeah, I know, and I can see the .patch file in the crypt folder
May 19 19:13:37 <bpadalino|work> interesting
May 19 19:13:44 <bpadalino|work> what else has changed recently? anything ?
May 19 19:20:17 <mikePre> i visited the DR last thursday, reinstalled everything, and then upgraded to 1.0.3 when it said it was avaiable....
May 19 19:30:18 <bpadalino|work> strange
May 19 19:33:08 <mikePre> it ooks liek the new ones, with the org.webosinternals.patches.browser-share-image-message-option aupt-4 are failing
May 19 19:33:15 <mikePre> all the aupt-3 ones look to be applied
May 19 19:35:29 <bpadalino|work> aupt-4 seem to be failing, but aupt-3 are ok ?
May 19 19:36:06 <mikePre> the last one that I tried, that would nto install had aupt4 in the .webosinternals.patches.packages file
May 19 19:36:27 <mikePre> all the previous ones, are aupt-3
May 19 19:37:35 <bpadalino|work> interesting .. i know nothing about this, but someone else may have a clue
May 19 19:38:52 <en0x> write an email to palm
May 19 19:38:52 <en0x> ;d
May 19 19:38:53 <en0x> hehehe
May 19 19:38:56 <mikePre> well things are going south, I uninstall preware 1.0.3, and now i cannot install preware 1.0.0 from WOSQI 3.12, looks like its installing, and then its not there, just completed a full boot, battery out
May 19 19:39:17 <mikePre> i actually have my 4th on its way today, waiting on fedex as I type
May 19 19:41:07 <HattCzech> mikePre: are you having to pay for these?
May 19 19:41:32 <HattCzech> (the real question is: could i get a replacement for mine w/o the deductible?)
May 19 19:52:55 <mikePre> well WOSQI wouldnt install preware on my Pre, but using this method worked fine
May 19 19:52:56 <mikePre> Installing Preware from Terminal, Novaterm or WebOS Quick Install "Linux Commandline"
May 19 20:02:39 <Stall> Can anyone help with a patch installation error?
May 19 20:03:31 <bpadalino|work> what's the error ?
May 19 20:04:05 <Stall> I am trying to install the Send All Contacts via Email patch
May 19 20:05:32 <Stall> http://webos.pastebin.com/fYXfyiJ3
May 19 20:07:23 <bpadalino|work> http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2010/05/do-more-with-google-latitude-and-your.html - neat .. google latitude api
May 19 20:08:21 <bpadalino|work> Stall: weird .. seems like the command is not running appropriately ?
May 19 20:10:01 <Stall> I am just a dumb user, that log is way over my head!
May 19 20:10:19 <Stall> I really need to export my contacts
May 19 20:25:53 <swisstomcat> metadoctor question
May 19 20:26:01 <swisstomcat> or rather webosdoctor question
May 19 20:35:58 <mikePre> In case anyone is still around and was curious about the preware not loading patches problem I was having, turning the avoid webos bugs setting to No fixed the problem for now...
May 19 20:36:20 <swisstomcat> interesting
May 19 20:37:14 <bpadalino|work> avoid webos bugs, eh? interesting
May 19 20:37:18 <mikePre> rwhitby is looking into I believe, he asked me to try a few more things and I reported the results back to him
May 19 20:37:48 <bpadalino|work> ah neat
May 19 20:40:54 <swisstomcat> avoid webos bugs is related to the rescan service that is not called anymore
May 19 20:41:25 <swisstomcat> because those calls caused problems with background services
May 19 20:42:27 <bpadalino|work> gotcha
May 19 20:56:14 <mikePre> Dou know if that is related to the delay when you press later on the Luna Restart question?  when I had it set to Yes it would return immediately (not install them) but now with it set to No, it takes 10-30 seconds to return (and it works, maybe its acvtually applying the patch?)
May 19 20:57:24 <Romeo1z> got a question ......trying to install Preware for the first time and am running my pre in dev mode and the instructions said to run WebOS Quick Install, and push third button, but i'm not seeing it
May 19 20:57:39 <swisstomcat> how many buttons do you see?
May 19 20:57:55 <swisstomcat> and what webosquickinstall version do you have?
May 19 20:58:34 <Romeo1z> in WebOS Quick Install I see three buttons to the right side there is a "+" "-" and a down arrow
May 19 20:59:00 <Romeo1z> version 3.12
May 19 21:00:57 <swisstomcat> those are three icons, no?
May 19 21:01:01 <swisstomcat> + - arrow
May 19 21:01:28 <Romeo1z> yep
May 19 21:02:03 <Stall> Can anyone help me get the Send All Contacts via Email patch installed? Error log is here http://webos.pastebin.com/fYXfyiJ3
May 19 21:02:36 <swisstomcat> third button would be the arrow then, romeo1z
May 19 21:03:26 <Romeo1z> k so i click the arrow and it brings up the Precentral app galary feed list of applications to download
May 19 21:04:34 <Romeo1z> but i dont see where WebOS Internals Feed (Pre) is listed
May 19 21:05:20 <Stall> You click the frop down arrow next to Precentral app gallery
May 19 21:05:33 <Stall> drop
May 19 21:06:27 <rwhitby> mikePre: hi
May 19 21:06:38 <Romeo1z> wow
May 19 21:06:42 <Romeo1z> ok found it
May 19 21:06:43 <Romeo1z> hahahah
May 19 21:07:18 * halfhalo_class is stuck at work and extremely bored.  And hungry since al the oncampus food places are closed and has no car to go get fastfood
May 19 21:08:00 <Romeo1z> hey anyone.....my goal here is to see about installing the overclocking on my pre, any thoughts?? is it an easy process?
May 19 21:08:17 <rwhitby> mikePre: I'm rebuilding all the patches now.  Turns out it was a combination of Palm not checking error return status in their ApplicationInstallerUtility program for pmPostInstall and pmPreRemove scripts.
May 19 21:08:53 <mikePre> OK, cool rwhitby.
May 19 21:09:08 <mikePre> couldnt figure out what I did wrong,
May 19 21:09:11 <rwhitby> Romeo1z: 1. Install Preware.  2. Install Uber-Kernel (and tear up your warranty card).  3. Install Govah.  4. Read the homepage link for both in Preware.
May 19 21:09:23 <rwhitby> s/Govah/Govnah/
May 19 21:09:24 <infobot> rwhitby meant: Romeo1z: 1. Install Preware.  2. Install Uber-Kernel (and tear up your warranty card).  3. Install Govnah.  4. Read the homepage link for both in Preware.
May 19 21:09:28 <MetaView> rwhitby: good morning, did you get my scripts for save/restore?
May 19 21:09:52 <rwhitby> MetaView: I did, but have not processed them yet, they're still sitting in my inbox.
May 19 21:09:57 <MetaView> ok
May 19 21:10:12 <rwhitby> let me do that now while I'm waiting for these patches to rebuild.
May 19 21:10:55 <phil_bw> hey rwhitby what was the name of that backup program you really like?
May 19 21:11:06 <rwhitby> phil_bw: BackupPC
May 19 21:11:13 <phil_bw> rwhitby, thanks :)
May 19 21:13:00 <swisstomcat> morning rwhitby .. and g'night everyone
May 19 21:13:02 <phil_bw> rwhitby, and did you say you had it setup on the Pre in it's native environment (non-chroot)
May 19 21:16:54 <rwhitby> phil_bw: no, don't use it on the Pre
May 19 21:17:26 <rwhitby> it just uses rsync on the Pre to get the stuff
May 19 21:17:27 <phil_bw> oh, thought you had said you did, I'm trying to figure out a good method of backing up both pres to one Win7 box nightly
May 19 21:17:43 <phil_bw> I see
May 19 21:28:50 <MetaView> rwhitby: how would one write a script to backup any other file with save/restore?
May 19 21:29:13 <rwhitby> MetaView: check the com.glu scripts
May 19 21:29:22 <rwhitby> or gameloft ones
May 19 21:30:21 <MetaView> ok
May 19 21:30:45 <MetaView> and understands FILES pattern?
May 19 21:31:16 <MetaView> to backup the favorite icons on the launcher
May 19 21:31:21 <MetaView> web favorites
May 19 21:31:27 <rwhitby> MetaView: Look at com.palm.app.launcher
May 19 21:32:21 <rwhitby> MetaView: see monopoly or dungeonhunter for FILES wildcards
May 19 21:32:31 <rwhitby> or settlers
May 19 21:32:57 <rwhitby> does anyone run Mail Lists ?
May 19 21:33:08 <MetaView> cool thx
May 19 21:33:14 <MetaView> no, don't use Mail List
May 19 21:36:24 <mikePre> has anyone successfully used the Pre Backup / Restore from tntservices?  I have my new pre at home and was wondering if it was worth giving it a shot, cant seem to find out if it worked for anyone on the forums....
May 19 21:38:27 <MetaView> what is it?
May 19 21:39:01 <HattCzech> worked for me
May 19 21:39:05 <mikePre> i found it through preware a few days back, it creates a backup of contacts/mail/messages,/apps into a tar file
May 19 21:39:11 <HattCzech> wait... let me check something
May 19 21:39:31 <MetaView> I have my own to backup the app partition and use save/restore for everything else
May 19 21:39:37 <mikePre> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/212309-running-bash-sh-scripts-webos-app.html
May 19 21:39:38 <HattCzech> pre backup utility worked for me (restoring sms and phone databases)
May 19 21:39:53 <mikePre> yeah, think that is what I am gonna do, i already have my save/restore backed up to my pc
May 19 21:40:10 <HattCzech> mine was on the same device, so i'm not sure if that matters
May 19 21:40:39 <MetaView> mikePre: look here http://metaviewsoft.de/wordpress/?p=424
May 19 21:40:45 <MetaView> at the bottom
May 19 21:41:11 <MetaView> just a single executable, put it into the usb drive and call it from terminal or wosqi
May 19 21:45:49 <MetaView> well, I go to bed, g'night
May 19 21:47:26 <mikePre> MetaView - where does the backup end up residing?
May 19 23:06:14 <MrMuzic> question....
May 19 23:06:24 <MrMuzic> how do i put my phone in developer mode
May 19 23:06:37 <MrMuzic> i'm trying to install preware
May 19 23:06:47 <rwhitby> MrMuzic: what google search terms have you tried so far?
May 19 23:06:54 <MrMuzic> can you please walk me through it
May 19 23:07:02 <MrMuzic> no google searches
May 19 23:07:11 <MrMuzic> i'm at the preware page
May 19 23:07:42 <MrMuzic> i searched preware and came up with...preware.org
May 19 23:08:07 <MrMuzic> hello....
May 19 23:08:30 <Tibfib> MrMuzic: google palm pre developer mode
May 19 23:08:41 <Tibfib> or type in webos20090606 on your pre.
May 19 23:08:44 <MrMuzic> yes, how do i get to that mode
May 19 23:08:46 <MrMuzic> yes, on my phone
May 19 23:09:09 <HattCzech> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=webos+dev+mode
May 19 23:09:20 <Tibfib> dangit... beat me to it
May 19 23:09:26 <HattCzech> hehehe
May 19 23:09:34 <Tibfib> I don't get to use that site enough... lol
May 19 23:10:06 <HattCzech> lol, it is very useful at times
May 20 01:06:05 <mikePre> so, if someone was returning a pre to palm as defective, whats the best way to remove all remants of any patches....would a new DR wipe out all media/and system partitions?
May 20 01:07:30 <rwhitby> mikePre: full erase and webos doctor
May 20 01:09:27 <hmagoo> newest Preware has problem installing patches for anyone else?
May 20 01:11:32 <mikePre> rwhitby, is there a way to do a fuill restore, after I have activitated my new Pre?  I was thinking putting on DR 1.1 which wiped out USB and Everything?
May 20 01:11:56 <PrimerFender> is this so much harder?
May 20 01:11:57 <PrimerFender> http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=webos+dev+mode
May 20 01:12:48 <PrimerFender> secure full erase from menu should do that, and then webos doctor latest version
May 20 01:12:50 <rwhitby> hmagoo: not since a couple of hours ago - are you following the Preware 1.x thread?
May 20 01:13:11 <hmagoo> rwhitby: going to check it right now
May 20 01:14:17 <hmagoo> known issue?
May 20 01:14:25 <rwhitby> yep, and fixed
May 20 01:14:27 <mikePre> rwhitby, did you see that i was able to install a patch with the setting for the webos to True?
May 20 01:14:47 <rwhitby> mikePre: yep. I rebuilt all the patch packages this morning
May 20 01:14:48 <mikePre> i will be able to test it fully tonight when I reisntall 100+ apps and 50 patces
May 20 01:15:06 <rwhitby> mikePre: you'll have aupt-4 goodness too
May 20 01:15:22 <mikePre> sweet, just gonna wait for all the app catalog downloads to complete first
May 20 01:15:51 <rwhitby> preware should stop you installing anything while that is happening anyway
May 20 01:15:59 <rwhitby> but wosqi won't
May 20 01:16:28 <mikePre> right, that is why I am waiting, since I dont want to interrupt that, I tried that once, and it didn try to download them again, what a pain....
May 20 01:16:59 <hmagoo> rwhitby: I was using 1.0.3
May 20 01:17:59 <rwhitby> hmagoo: yep
May 20 01:23:29 <rwhitby> Preware 1.0.4 in the testing feed
May 20 01:25:14 <nightburn> updating now
May 20 01:26:08 <mikePre> if i have a save/restore from preware 1.0.3, can I install 1.0.4, would the restore format be compatible?
May 20 01:27:49 <rwhitby> yes
May 20 01:32:30 <oil> 104?
May 20 01:33:12 <mikePre> is there a trick to to get teh webos testing feeds into WOSQI, i tried to add this "http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/" and it keeps saying error loading feed
May 20 01:33:19 <mikePre> minus the quotes of course
May 20 01:33:35 <oil> you know, i've never gotten quick install to use custom feeds
May 20 01:33:42 <oil> and ive tried hella shit
May 20 01:35:10 <rwhitby> oil: 104 has the delete disabled feeds fix
May 20 01:35:28 <oil> ah, good stuff
May 20 01:35:51 <rwhitby> and some updated translations as well
May 20 01:38:18 <mikePre> ok, so then is this the best way to isntall the latest preware 1.0.4?    wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap
May 20 01:38:19 <mikePre> sh preware-bootstrap
May 20 01:45:20 <rwhitby> mikePre: or just use palm-install
May 20 01:53:52 <mikePre> oh yeah, forgot about that option...its been so long since I used it
May 20 02:14:40 <TheSavaLord> hi everyone
May 20 02:16:41 <en0x> yey i'm getting my ssd tomorrow
May 20 02:16:41 <en0x> :d
May 20 02:16:47 * en0x is excited
May 20 02:30:20 <punzada> en0x: ssd is fantastic, you will enjoy :)
May 20 02:30:35 <en0x> for sure
May 20 02:30:41 <en0x> what  u got?
May 20 02:31:07 <punzada> intel x25m g2 80gb
May 20 02:31:17 <en0x> oh i got the same
May 20 02:31:20 <en0x> but 160gb
May 20 02:31:48 <punzada> it's fantastic, you won't be disappointed
May 20 02:31:52 <TheSavaLord> solid state hd
May 20 02:31:55 <punzada> load times? what are those? :P
May 20 02:32:03 <en0x> hehehe
May 20 02:32:13 <punzada> it's funny too because you see what software has artifical load times
May 20 02:32:17 <punzada> damn poor programmers
May 20 02:32:22 <TheSavaLord> bet that is sweet how much thou
May 20 02:32:28 <en0x> punzada, u got it in laptop?
May 20 02:32:38 <punzada> naw, in a desktop paired with a 1tb for storage
May 20 02:32:45 <en0x> i see
May 20 02:32:51 <en0x> i gonna put it in my laptop
May 20 02:32:58 <en0x> i have other storage server
May 20 02:32:59 <punzada> that's good, power savings and such
May 20 02:33:01 <en0x> 10tb :)
May 20 02:33:29 <en0x> where i keep all my stuff
May 20 02:33:50 <punzada> see
May 20 02:34:10 <punzada> if i had 10tb of media, I would require 20tb for redundant backup >>
May 20 02:36:48 <en0x> ;]
May 20 02:40:29 <ka6sox> unless the 10T was raid6 or so.
May 20 02:40:40 <en0x> its raidz
May 20 02:40:45 <en0x> which equals to raid5
May 20 02:41:08 <punzada> I don't care how you set up your RAID, raid != effective backup solution :)
May 20 02:41:20 <en0x> hehe
May 20 02:41:34 <en0x> hmm
May 20 02:41:46 <en0x> i think its time to go to sleep 10:40pm I gotta wake up at 5am
May 20 02:42:11 <en0x> so laterz
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