**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 25 02:59:57 2010 May 25 03:00:35 hey guys, just a little heads up May 25 03:00:52 I'm actually being employed by Palm this summer, so JsTop might get a little... old May 25 03:01:10 I don't think I'll have the time, nor the legal ability to do certain things with webos-internals for the time being May 25 03:01:22 well congrats May 25 03:01:23 Nice. I wish I could do a summer internship but I already have a job… and I have summer classes May 25 03:01:30 meh, we dont care May 25 03:01:49 YOU'RE OURS NOW May 25 03:02:00 very diabolical May 25 03:02:04 mwahahaha May 25 03:02:08 I like where this is heading... May 25 03:02:30 the policy regarding webos-internals isn't well defined, so I've decided to just sort of let JsTop take a backseat for now. May 25 03:02:52 understandable May 25 03:03:04 Back May 25 03:03:07 is it a summer co-op/internship thing ? May 25 03:04:15 summer internship May 25 03:04:19 very nice May 25 03:04:24 yeah May 25 03:04:33 srsly wish I could do something like that May 25 03:04:43 azakus: any idea what they have planned for you ? May 25 03:04:57 nothing I can talk about May 25 03:05:02 mwahahaha May 25 03:05:03 :) May 25 03:05:46 well, we know it's not JsTop :) May 25 03:06:04 Meh, I'll guess I'll have to settle for freelancing for forums and making my own webos stuff May 25 03:06:08 well,when you get in look me up in SV3 May 25 03:06:25 you'll know where I sit, cause it's where the awesome happens May 25 03:06:31 haha May 25 03:06:33 the toilet? May 25 03:07:23 :( May 25 03:07:27 geist: I'm in sv3 May 25 03:07:29 :) May 25 03:07:35 SV3 for the win May 25 03:08:07 NDAs are a PITA May 25 03:08:24 Hence why I never tell anyone anything May 25 03:08:56 how many buildings does palm have over there ? May 25 03:08:59 For example. Know one knows my name. Not even me May 25 03:20:03 ok my internet was acting up but the feed packages are still not working and my connection is all good now May 25 03:22:13 Any ideas why WOQI can't connect to the package feeds? May 25 03:23:15 what up #webos-internals May 25 03:23:27 everyone who doesn't have work tomorrow HOLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA May 25 03:25:40 I'm just trying to figure why my WOQI isn't working proberly May 25 03:27:20 what's it doing May 25 03:27:21 is anyone good with the whole preware and webos quick install area? May 25 03:27:28 i can try and help May 25 03:27:31 Curtiss, I had to install ubuntu before I got it to work properly for me :( May 25 03:27:31 no guarantees though May 25 03:27:32 well when I go to bring up the feeds May 25 03:27:44 it tries to load then May 25 03:27:46 them* May 25 03:27:54 and it tells me it could not connect to the package feeds May 25 03:29:29 any ideas? May 25 03:31:27 is there a way to manipulate ipk's in windows and see what they're doing? May 25 03:31:50 idk.. May 25 03:31:56 idek what you are talking about May 25 03:32:00 do you have antivirus software curtiss? May 25 03:32:05 yup May 25 03:32:09 I have avg May 25 03:32:16 firewall? May 25 03:32:21 probably May 25 03:32:22 why May 25 03:32:34 see if you have an option to allow wosqi through May 25 03:32:40 er May 25 03:32:43 that is a good idea May 25 03:32:46 lol May 25 03:33:12 I need some pretty low level help if anyone feels like giving me a hand May 25 03:33:37 no May 25 03:33:43 no option May 25 03:33:50 oh wait May 25 03:33:52 add program May 25 03:33:54 windows firewall?. May 25 03:33:56 oh hehe May 25 03:34:46 ugh windows firewall May 25 03:34:48 would I just select the .jar file? May 25 03:34:49 turn that garbage off May 25 03:34:55 just turn it off May 25 03:35:08 if you have a router (ISR) you'll be fine May 25 03:35:09 lol May 25 03:35:13 it can't even find the thingy May 25 03:35:18 er May 25 03:35:22 I'm going through my mobile hotspot May 25 03:35:25 on my pre May 25 03:35:39 i wouldn't be too worried May 25 03:35:43 k May 25 03:36:01 ok so turn it off May 25 03:36:03 and try again? May 25 03:36:04 yeah May 25 03:36:08 k May 25 03:36:24 nope May 25 03:36:28 same error May 25 03:36:32 hey im kind askin a way noob question here but if in terminal you type something it like race-car and it opens a "race-car" application how do you find the link? May 25 03:37:18 well turning my firewall off was a failure May 25 03:37:19 lol May 25 03:37:26 something must be really fucke dup May 25 03:37:30 fucked up* May 25 03:38:06 any ideas now? May 25 03:38:24 wosqi can't get feeds on your computer? May 25 03:38:30 yea May 25 03:38:32 idk why May 25 03:38:41 hrm not sure May 25 03:38:48 sk1tt1sh May 25 03:38:48 haven't fukt with it much May 25 03:38:53 locate race-car May 25 03:38:53 when I click that third button it tries to load them and then says Can not connect to package feeds May 25 03:39:04 if it's something not super-generic you should be able to find it May 25 03:39:19 ok so what im looking for is "cricket mms" May 25 03:39:28 where the heck do i look? May 25 03:39:28 what is that May 25 03:39:39 a little app from an old rom May 25 03:39:41 what is the application called May 25 03:39:46 no idea May 25 03:39:49 okay May 25 03:39:52 you're in linux? May 25 03:39:53 i opened terminal on the phone and type that May 25 03:40:03 then it did some things May 25 03:40:07 you type, at the prompt, "cricket mms"? May 25 03:40:08 sadly no im on win7 May 25 03:40:13 yes May 25 03:40:19 i meant the terminal is in linux May 25 03:40:27 well "cricket" is the binary name May 25 03:40:27 the phone terminal May 25 03:40:34 "mms" must be an argument of some sort May 25 03:40:48 usually those come with - and locations are just "mms" but May 25 03:40:50 okay May 25 03:40:51 uhh May 25 03:40:55 type "locate cricket" May 25 03:41:00 cant... May 25 03:41:03 updated the phoone May 25 03:41:16 I pulled the rom apart though with winrar May 25 03:41:31 i'm confused May 25 03:41:43 MOST things are in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin May 25 03:41:52 if they run at ANY location in the terminal, they're there May 25 03:41:54 one or the other May 25 03:42:30 ok May 25 03:42:33 one sec hehe May 25 03:42:37 stupid woqi May 25 03:42:40 wosqi May 25 03:42:46 yea May 25 03:42:51 It's pissing me off May 25 03:42:51 lol May 25 03:42:54 just go into the terminal and run the preware bootstrap May 25 03:42:56 wosqi is useless May 25 03:43:06 unless you need to manually install an app or something May 25 03:43:08 what is the preware bootstrap May 25 03:43:11 and what is a terminal May 25 03:43:11 lol May 25 03:43:17 sigh May 25 03:43:18 okay May 25 03:43:22 you want to install preware, yeah? May 25 03:43:28 yea May 25 03:43:31 is your pre in developer mode May 25 03:43:34 so I can get that virtual soft keyboard May 25 03:43:35 and do you have evdo May 25 03:43:36 and yes it is May 25 03:43:40 k May 25 03:43:46 it's showing my 3g May 25 03:43:50 not my evdo May 25 03:43:51 in wosqi there should be like a tools menu May 25 03:43:58 and then like terminal or something May 25 03:44:07 you see it? May 25 03:44:14 Linux Command Line? May 25 03:44:16 yes May 25 03:44:21 are there any good virtual emulators that i could load that rom image for the pre? May 25 03:44:21 k May 25 03:44:28 it should say like root-webos-device:# or something May 25 03:44:34 sk1tt1sh: virtualbox May 25 03:44:36 like a virtual pre May 25 03:44:39 k May 25 03:44:43 it's said BY the SDK May 25 03:44:45 lol May 25 03:44:48 will it work on 64 bit? May 25 03:44:49 root@palm-webos-device: May 25 03:44:52 k May 25 03:44:55 it says that May 25 03:44:59 type this: without quotes May 25 03:45:03 "cd /tmp" May 25 03:45:07 enter May 25 03:45:19 "wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap" May 25 03:45:22 k May 25 03:45:29 enter May 25 03:45:42 "sh preware-bootstrap" May 25 03:45:43 k May 25 03:46:00 please wait... May 25 03:46:03 hit n when it asks about alpha May 25 03:46:08 then you're done. May 25 03:46:20 and it will be on my pre? May 25 03:46:25 yep May 25 03:46:27 what does it say May 25 03:46:39 well fuck why didn't we just do this in the first place? May 25 03:46:39 lol May 25 03:46:47 you asked about feeds May 25 03:46:51 oh lol May 25 03:46:55 don't assume people know what you want May 25 03:46:58 and it still says please wait May 25 03:47:06 after what May 25 03:47:08 the wget or the sh May 25 03:47:20 root@palm-webos-device: cd /tmpwget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap Connecting to bit.ly (128.121.254.129:80) preware-bootstrap 0% | | 0 --:--:-- ETA preware-bootstrap 100% |*******************************| 7797 00:00:00 ETA root@palm-webos-device: sh preware-bootstrap May 25 03:47:40 after that May 25 03:47:54 so after "sh preware-bootstrap"? May 25 03:47:54 so after sh May 25 03:47:57 k May 25 03:48:05 do you have the SDK installed? May 25 03:48:09 er May 25 03:48:12 probably not May 25 03:48:13 lol May 25 03:48:16 that's fine May 25 03:48:16 whats the sdk? May 25 03:48:22 software development kit May 25 03:48:29 er probably not May 25 03:48:32 k well in the terminal May 25 03:48:36 hit ctrl-c May 25 03:48:44 and it should go back to root-webos-device: May 25 03:48:48 er, palm May 25 03:48:49 lol May 25 03:49:02 er May 25 03:49:05 ? May 25 03:49:06 it's not May 25 03:49:15 umm May 25 03:49:23 just, even though it doesn't show anything May 25 03:49:28 just type "n" and then hit enter May 25 03:49:33 and see what happens May 25 03:49:41 I can't type in the spot May 25 03:49:45 why May 25 03:49:49 it has that blocked off and greyed out May 25 03:49:52 lol May 25 03:49:53 cuz it says pelase wait still May 25 03:49:54 please* May 25 03:50:00 screenshot May 25 03:50:09 is WOSQI saying please wait, or is LINUX saying please wait? May 25 03:50:19 the linux command thingy May 25 03:50:23 lol wosqi wont even see my phone weak May 25 03:50:24 wosqi May 25 03:50:33 http://screensnapr.com/u/i/o93yrf.png May 25 03:50:36 k curtiss, task manager and end wosqi May 25 03:50:40 err take the I out May 25 03:50:44 for no ads May 25 03:50:56 i don't see ads May 25 03:51:04 oh the beauty of adblock plus May 25 03:51:08 lol May 25 03:51:09 nice May 25 03:51:16 k so end it with task manager May 25 03:51:18 my friend and his brother made snapr May 25 03:51:20 i love it May 25 03:51:30 k I ended it May 25 03:51:30 now what May 25 03:51:41 open it again May 25 03:51:43 lol May 25 03:51:46 k May 25 03:51:49 I already did that May 25 03:51:55 open the terminal again May 25 03:52:10 alright May 25 03:52:19 oh man you forgot to hit enter after "cd /tmp" May 25 03:52:20 lol May 25 03:52:33 did i? May 25 03:52:34 k terminal open May 25 03:52:35 yes May 25 03:52:40 yes it is May 25 03:52:41 you typed "cd /tmpwget asdf" May 25 03:52:48 k so type "cd /tmp" ENTER May 25 03:52:58 yup May 25 03:52:58 "wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap" ENTER May 25 03:53:08 "sh preware-bootstrap" ENTER May 25 03:53:46 hmm the wget one May 25 03:53:53 didn't get the preware-bootstrap files May 25 03:54:01 ? May 25 03:54:14 http://screensnapr.com/u/i/ygtmjh.png May 25 03:54:27 ah k May 25 03:54:30 it worked fine last time May 25 03:54:39 just do "sh preware-bootstrap" this time May 25 03:54:41 yea dk what's going on this time May 25 03:54:48 it's already there, like it says May 25 03:54:49 ok yokken i figured out the emulatorr. how do I use a custom webos jar? May 25 03:55:02 sk1tt1sh: where would you get a custom webos jar May 25 03:55:10 i have one May 25 03:55:17 how is it custom May 25 03:55:25 its a modded webos doctor May 25 03:55:30 it won't work May 25 03:55:33 ... May 25 03:55:40 doctor binaries are ARM, emulator runs in i686 May 25 03:55:47 shit May 25 03:55:58 yes May 25 03:55:59 is it supposed to do this please wait shit in the command line? May 25 03:56:00 shit indeed May 25 03:56:01 can I just copy some of the stuff May 25 03:56:04 no, Curtiss May 25 03:56:08 lol May 25 03:56:11 it's doing it again May 25 03:56:11 sk1tt1sh: believe me, i tried May 25 03:56:16 like out of the webosdoc jar into the em May 25 03:56:20 yeah my guess is it doesn't like it May 25 03:56:23 try this curtiss May 25 03:56:29 force kill wosqi again May 25 03:56:44 sk1tt1sh: i tried, i put all the js from doctor into the emu shit May 25 03:56:45 it didn't work May 25 03:56:53 fuck May 25 03:56:53 force killed May 25 03:57:00 this phone is my arch nemiss May 25 03:57:01 Curtiss: open wosqi, go back into terminal May 25 03:57:03 "cd /tmp" May 25 03:57:10 "chmod +x preware-bootstrap" May 25 03:57:21 "./preware-bootstrap;n: May 25 03:57:23 fuck May 25 03:57:30 "./preware-bootstrap;n" May 25 03:57:34 it SHOULD work May 25 03:57:53 do I do enter after cd /tmp May 25 03:57:57 yes May 25 03:58:03 after each line i type, hit enter May 25 03:58:12 ignore the one after chmod May 25 03:58:15 i screwed it up May 25 03:59:13 Curtiss: where you at? May 25 03:59:27 do I do ./preware-boostrap;n May 25 03:59:28 ? May 25 03:59:30 yes May 25 03:59:32 k May 25 03:59:40 it SHOULD enter the n for you May 25 03:59:47 errr May 25 03:59:49 oh May 25 03:59:57 I wasn't supposed to do the n? May 25 03:59:58 and wosqi HOPEFULLY will say please wait but then stop and update the terminal May 25 04:00:00 no, you were May 25 04:00:01 lol May 25 04:00:06 k May 25 04:00:08 i mean, the bootstrap asks if you wanna do alpha May 25 04:00:12 well it's on please wait May 25 04:00:13 you just hit "n" and hit enter May 25 04:00:24 so you typed ./preware-bootstrap;n May 25 04:00:25 right? May 25 04:00:38 lord have mercy May 25 04:00:39 root@palm-webos-device: cd /tmp root@palm-webos-device: chmod +x preware-bootstrap root@palm-webos-device: ./preware-bootstrap;n May 25 04:00:57 that's what I did May 25 04:01:00 good May 25 04:01:01 it's still on please wait May 25 04:01:03 it's STILL? May 25 04:01:04 fuck May 25 04:01:09 lol May 25 04:01:11 you might end up having to use wosqi lol May 25 04:01:13 something must be wrong May 25 04:01:17 or install the SDK May 25 04:01:19 actually May 25 04:01:23 link? May 25 04:01:28 google "webos novaterm windows download" May 25 04:01:32 k May 25 04:01:32 hang on i'll find it for you May 25 04:01:38 alright May 25 04:01:55 OH May 25 04:01:56 OH May 25 04:01:59 do you have putty? May 25 04:02:07 putty? May 25 04:02:14 http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/x86/putty.exe May 25 04:02:21 download (it's safe, don't worry) May 25 04:02:25 what is it May 25 04:02:28 an ssh client May 25 04:02:36 k install it? May 25 04:02:38 lol May 25 04:02:53 no it doesn't need to be installed May 25 04:02:59 oh May 25 04:02:59 ok May 25 04:03:06 is your pre on wifi? May 25 04:03:12 does it need to be in the same spot as my wosqi? May 25 04:03:32 and I am using my pre to get online on my laptop with mobile hotspot May 25 04:03:35 lol May 25 04:03:38 good call May 25 04:03:44 well fuck. May 25 04:03:48 you'll need the SDK then May 25 04:03:52 k May 25 04:03:55 which will be OH SO FUN over 3G May 25 04:03:56 lol May 25 04:04:03 is it big? May 25 04:04:05 yes May 25 04:04:08 fuck May 25 04:04:16 how big? May 25 04:04:33 64-bit or 32-bit May 25 04:04:47 32bit May 25 04:04:57 206mb May 25 04:05:09 fuck May 25 04:05:14 I just downloaded webdoctor May 25 04:05:15 at 204 May 25 04:05:18 it took forever May 25 04:05:20 hehehe May 25 04:05:36 lol May 25 04:05:42 this is so shitty May 25 04:05:43 well hm May 25 04:05:56 i'm trying to find a way to see if you can get novaterm without the entire sdk May 25 04:05:59 ok lets use mirc thats better May 25 04:06:13 oh shit I should bring this chat up in my xchat May 25 04:06:14 lol May 25 04:06:19 SCORE May 25 04:06:20 i got this May 25 04:06:32 nvm i'll stay here May 25 04:06:42 you found my problem? May 25 04:06:46 yeah May 25 04:06:47 i got it May 25 04:06:52 k the doctor image May 25 04:06:53 no big files? May 25 04:06:56 nope! May 25 04:07:07 make a copy on your desktop and change the extension to .zip May 25 04:07:21 oh it was already on my desktop May 25 04:07:22 lol May 25 04:07:27 so should I take it off? May 25 04:07:33 nah just make a copy May 25 04:07:40 so you don't fudge up the legit May 25 04:07:51 k May 25 04:07:55 how do I turn filenames on May 25 04:08:02 uhh May 25 04:08:04 lol May 25 04:08:07 so I can change it to a zip May 25 04:08:13 it should say .jar May 25 04:08:16 nvm May 25 04:08:21 go into any folder May 25 04:08:28 do you know how to open folder options May 25 04:08:36 what? May 25 04:08:42 k. May 25 04:08:45 w7? May 25 04:08:54 vista May 25 04:09:02 k May 25 04:09:05 open any folder May 25 04:09:10 k May 25 04:09:22 there should either be a button that says Folder Options, or there's a little button on the far right that has a down arrow on it May 25 04:09:30 and if you click it, it should say like Folder and Search Options May 25 04:10:37 I'm not seeing it May 25 04:11:10 found it May 25 04:11:12 under organize May 25 04:11:55 yep May 25 04:12:02 go to the View tab May 25 04:12:06 k May 25 04:12:16 then find something in there like "hide extensions for known filetypes" May 25 04:12:19 uncheck it May 25 04:12:33 also, while you're at it, click "show all files" instead of "don't show hidden files and folders" May 25 04:12:37 k May 25 04:12:59 k now go back to desktop May 25 04:13:10 k May 25 04:13:15 rename the copy to .zip May 25 04:13:36 done May 25 04:14:09 now what? May 25 04:14:33 now open it up May 25 04:14:50 there's a few files in there and whatnot May 25 04:14:55 opened May 25 04:15:01 folders May 25 04:15:02 yes May 25 04:15:04 try to find webosdoctor100ewwsprint May 25 04:15:09 or resources May 25 04:15:14 er I have the verizon one May 25 04:15:18 that's fine May 25 04:15:22 so verizon instead of spritn? May 25 04:15:24 sprint* May 25 04:15:29 whatever folder it's in May 25 04:15:29 yes May 25 04:15:34 it'll be a .jar i believe May 25 04:16:43 hmm May 25 04:16:45 I'm not seeing it May 25 04:17:31 that's weird May 25 04:18:18 it's not in there May 25 04:18:26 it's fine May 25 04:18:30 are you seeing ANY jars? May 25 04:18:32 you should be May 25 04:19:29 no May 25 04:19:32 I don't see any jars May 25 04:20:03 what May 25 04:20:05 any zips? May 25 04:20:38 yea May 25 04:20:41 or May 25 04:20:47 .tar May 25 04:20:52 OH the tar May 25 04:20:54 and .pkg.tar.gz May 25 04:20:56 what is the tar called May 25 04:21:04 there is a verizon.tar May 25 04:21:09 webOS.tar May 25 04:21:15 like webosdoctor100ewwverizon? May 25 04:21:16 lol May 25 04:21:28 should I go into the verizon.tar? May 25 04:21:40 or the webOS.tar May 25 04:21:42 sure May 25 04:21:45 webOS.tar May 25 04:22:57 nope May 25 04:22:59 nothing May 25 04:23:34 this is what is in the webOS.tar May 25 04:23:34 http://screensnapr.com/u/i/s2zyur.png May 25 04:25:32 any ideas? May 25 04:26:12 yes May 25 04:26:18 take out the nova-cust-image May 25 04:26:25 and unarchive that May 25 04:26:41 unarchive what? May 25 04:27:29 the .tar.gz May 25 04:27:42 you're on a pixi eh May 25 04:28:02 no May 25 04:28:09 this was supposed to be for the pre May 25 04:28:32 fuck May 25 04:28:34 k ignore that May 25 04:28:36 dude IGNORE IT May 25 04:28:37 er May 25 04:28:38 k May 25 04:28:39 lol May 25 04:28:39 just take it out May 25 04:28:40 lol May 25 04:28:55 should I just delete the whole tar.gz? May 25 04:30:02 no May 25 04:30:05 extract it May 25 04:30:06 fuck May 25 04:30:09 lol May 25 04:30:13 lol May 25 04:33:07 do you want me to extract inside that .tar? May 25 04:33:12 cuz it won't let me May 25 04:33:23 the .tar.gz is inside webos.tar May 25 04:33:54 yes May 25 04:33:59 no May 25 04:34:09 put the webos-cust-image on your desktop May 25 04:34:11 ffffffffffff May 25 04:35:19 do you just want to connect to me with team viewer and do it? May 25 04:35:34 I feel like that will be quicker than you telling me what to do May 25 04:36:11 yes May 25 04:36:15 ? May 25 04:36:17 k May 25 04:36:32 117 355 672 May 25 04:36:38 aight lemme dl the client May 25 04:38:08 sent you the id and pass in that private chat May 25 04:42:14 so..? May 25 05:07:32 Ok yokken May 25 05:07:35 lol May 25 05:07:41 told you it was going to go off May 25 05:08:00 You still there? May 25 05:08:14 zsoc, you around? May 25 05:08:35 HEY May 25 05:08:36 Egaudet May 25 05:08:43 you are from precentral May 25 05:08:57 can you help me with wosqi May 25 05:09:17 I don't know anything about wosqi really May 25 05:09:21 oh May 25 05:09:22 sorry May 25 05:09:22 damnit May 25 05:09:23 lol May 25 05:09:40 it's telling me it cant connect to the package feeds May 25 05:09:46 I don't know much of anything these days :P May 25 05:09:50 and yokken was trying to help me get preware a different way May 25 05:09:59 but nothing was working May 25 05:10:18 I don't know what the status or recommended way is these days but I always use the boostrap May 25 05:10:23 bootstrap* May 25 05:10:28 we tried May 25 05:10:44 it wasn't working for some reason May 25 05:11:28 I think he has it all figured out May 25 05:21:04 rod if you are around that bypass bugs not only fixed the phone/email close. I haven't had a luna restart since.. May 25 05:25:32 lol it worked May 25 05:25:46 egaudet, his problem was that wosqi locked up when he typed "sh preware-bootstrap" May 25 05:25:52 woot yoken May 25 05:25:53 so we had to get novaterm and do it like that May 25 05:25:53 got that shit May 25 05:25:54 son May 25 05:26:19 good thing I'm a failure with computers when it comes to that background technical shit May 25 05:26:55 yeah novaterm is the way to go May 25 05:27:11 novaterm rapes May 25 05:27:19 so much harder on windows though man, jeez May 25 05:27:30 on mac it's like run the pkg, open terminal, type novaterm, DONE May 25 05:27:38 oh linux May 25 05:28:03 most likely because mac os is BSD May 25 05:28:12 based off it, yes May 25 05:28:40 hey what is the keyboard under? May 25 05:28:55 Doesn't the PDK come with novaterm? May 25 05:29:16 the vk May 25 05:29:33 webos internals feed May 25 05:29:38 i think it's only in alpha feed though May 25 05:29:40 testing feed May 25 05:30:19 the vkb is in the patches feed May 25 05:30:50 ok back May 25 05:30:53 webos internals under patchs May 25 05:30:56 hit my fucking wireless shit May 25 05:31:04 under patches May 25 05:31:05 alright May 25 05:32:21 install and update theme? May 25 05:32:23 I have had it installed before adding the testing feed so it's in the normal webos internals feed May 25 05:32:44 virtual keyboard is cool but it came up too many times when i didn't want it to May 25 05:33:02 hmm May 25 05:33:12 well i want it May 25 05:33:16 /nick Curtiss May 25 05:33:30 I have it but don't use it much May 25 05:33:55 ok it says downloading/installing SUCCESS May 25 05:34:04 but that thing is still circling May 25 05:34:20 give it a bit May 25 05:34:33 wat does that mean? May 25 05:34:36 k May 25 05:35:16 I think it forze my phone.. May 25 05:35:24 lol May 25 05:35:28 just give it a bit May 25 05:35:29 is that possible? May 25 05:35:37 fucker May 25 05:35:45 it did the pretend restart thingy May 25 05:36:01 lol May 25 05:36:03 luna restart May 25 05:36:28 isn't luna the linux thing? May 25 05:36:44 it's the window manager, essentially May 25 05:37:01 oh hey can I get rid of wosqi and wosd May 25 05:37:10 cuz I have no need for them now right? May 25 05:37:19 using it now lol\n May 25 05:38:32 wth May 25 05:38:42 so it restarted the phone or w.e May 25 05:38:50 wait May 25 05:38:54 you have to be in something to type May 25 05:38:57 for it to come up May 25 05:38:58 don't you? May 25 05:39:05 lol May 25 05:39:10 im tired May 25 05:40:25 yes you do May 25 05:40:51 i think the activation is tapping the center where the ball usually is (you're on pre plus) twice May 25 05:41:05 it was for me anyway May 25 05:41:09 like in here\n May 25 05:41:23 it;s not working May 25 05:41:28 lol\n May 25 05:41:33 hmm May 25 05:41:37 well figure it out May 25 05:41:44 go back into preware and see if it says that it's installed May 25 05:42:10 shouldn't you restart luna May 25 05:42:18 it already did May 25 05:42:19 lol May 25 05:42:54 do the double click then wait 3 secs May 25 05:43:18 i did.. May 25 05:43:57 when I first installed it I never gave it time to pop up. do you have a pre + May 25 05:44:32 er May 25 05:44:32 idk May 25 05:44:41 yes May 25 05:44:44 vzw May 25 05:44:48 it's called the pre plus, dude May 25 05:44:48 lol May 25 05:44:52 oh May 25 05:44:54 i wasnt sure May 25 05:44:55 do it to the right of the lited line May 25 05:44:58 I wasnt there when I got it May 25 05:45:39 yea nothing.. May 25 05:46:22 there is like a sweet spot hard to find at the begining May 25 05:46:47 do you double tap May 25 05:46:47 quickly May 25 05:46:50 or double finger May 25 05:46:58 double tap May 25 05:47:08 quick May 25 05:47:38 I'm going to look at some youtube vids May 25 05:47:43 see if I can watch soimeone else tap it May 25 05:47:47 k May 25 05:47:48 see where they hit i May 25 05:47:49 it May 25 05:47:57 does preware say it's installed? May 25 05:47:58 ok May 25 05:48:01 like is it still in the list May 25 05:48:03 where you found it May 25 05:50:46 fucking tits May 25 05:50:55 no one has a plus May 25 05:51:01 all the videos are normal ones with the ball May 25 05:51:18 and yes May 25 05:51:22 or no May 25 05:51:24 think of the line as the ball May 25 05:51:27 lol May 25 05:51:27 it is under installed ones May 25 05:51:35 under patch May 25 05:52:13 alright supertux is "fixed" May 25 05:52:17 good night May 25 05:52:18 get as close to hitting the line as you can May 25 05:52:26 bye egaudet :) May 25 05:52:35 nite May 25 05:52:49 I tried May 25 05:52:51 nothing works May 25 05:53:20 are you talking about vkb? May 25 05:53:44 yea May 25 05:53:54 I can't find the spot on my pre plus to make it come up May 25 05:53:57 curtis do you have an app open that has txt May 25 05:54:06 ytea May 25 05:54:13 the web.. May 25 05:54:16 tap the gesture area twice and then wait 3-5 seconds. The gesture bar, not the middle core button/light thing May 25 05:54:16 where you can type in May 25 05:54:24 don't tap a 3rd time or it will disappear before you see it May 25 05:54:35 the adress bar.. May 25 05:55:14 naw its not workin May 25 05:55:37 verify it was installed correctly May 25 05:55:40 in novaterm type May 25 05:55:51 he aint gonna open up novaterm again May 25 05:55:52 lol May 25 05:55:53 uh? May 25 05:56:01 lol May 25 05:56:10 md5sum /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework338.js May 25 05:56:12 Curtiss, just go remove it and then install it again. May 25 05:56:17 k May 25 05:56:26 fucking a May 25 05:56:45 it downloads the feeds every time I lunch preware May 25 05:56:50 is that in prefernces? May 25 05:58:32 wats this installed is available in the preferences May 25 06:01:04 Curtiss, it tries to stay updated...nothing worse than getting a stale app. May 25 06:04:33 yea true May 25 06:05:37 my main screen for preware looks different than eduaget's in that video he did May 25 06:08:52 he has application updates, available applications, available patches, installed applications and list of everything May 25 06:08:59 is there a way to change it to show certain things? May 25 06:09:13 Darned Coyote. May 25 06:11:24 k reinstalling vk May 25 06:11:31 k May 25 06:11:42 hopefully I can get it to pull up this time May 25 06:11:47 oh hey ka6sox May 25 06:11:54 why do i remember you specifically May 25 06:11:58 what did we talk about recently May 25 06:12:01 yo yo yokken May 25 06:12:03 Women May 25 06:12:08 hahahaha yes May 25 06:12:12 lol May 25 06:12:18 lol May 25 06:12:23 I'm guessing it was a great convo May 25 06:12:29 :) May 25 06:12:33 and very humorous May 25 06:13:33 I'm getting tired May 25 06:13:44 but this humidity and heat is fucking terrible May 25 06:14:03 and I'm waiting for vk to finish May 25 06:14:24 I wish it would just luna restart already May 25 06:14:34 ssh root@10.0.1.3 May 25 06:14:51 humidity in minnesota is awful May 25 06:15:14 try florida May 25 06:15:20 my brother doesn't even get bothered by it here May 25 06:15:23 he lives in florida May 25 06:15:25 try california desert. May 25 06:15:27 so Michigan is nothing May 25 06:15:42 my brother lives in the Pan Handle of florida on the golf May 25 06:15:44 gulf* May 25 06:16:01 so he was wearing jeans up here todya and it was 80 degrees May 25 06:16:03 tampa here May 25 06:16:18 FUCKING VK! May 25 06:16:23 FUCKING FINISH May 25 06:16:50 minnesota it was 95F and like 80% humidity today May 25 06:16:54 heat index of like 100F May 25 06:17:10 fuck May 25 06:17:22 it was only like 84 at the highest today with about 66% humidity May 25 06:17:38 it must blow ass in minnesota May 25 06:17:53 72 and 10% May 25 06:18:12 it blows ass May 25 06:18:25 minnesota is a hotbox in the summer and an icebox in the winter May 25 06:18:25 yea it didn't install right last time May 25 06:18:28 something happened last time May 25 06:18:29 but fall is real nice :) May 25 06:18:35 go into the ipkg log May 25 06:18:36 oh winter is shitty in michigan May 25 06:18:39 fucking hate it May 25 06:18:42 no its good this time May 25 06:18:53 winter where I live....72 and 10% May 25 06:18:59 it actually brought up the box that said May 25 06:19:06 luna restart required May 25 06:19:11 I clicked ok.. May 25 06:19:11 lol May 25 06:19:13 good May 25 06:19:15 why isn't it doing it May 25 06:19:23 Can someone in here help me with a Ajax.Request / Activity problem? May 25 06:19:23 it just went to the vk page May 25 06:19:47 yokkhen how do I do a luna restart? May 25 06:19:54 it didn't do it's own May 25 06:20:10 HotDP, sorry I'm not an ajax guy. May 25 06:20:32 in preware, tap the little thing in the top left May 25 06:20:34 how do I do luna restart on my pre guys? May 25 06:20:36 go to luna manager May 25 06:20:37 oki :-S May 25 06:20:40 oh May 25 06:20:40 k May 25 06:20:41 :) May 25 06:20:57 this phone gets so fucking hot May 25 06:21:03 I don't get that May 25 06:21:44 wait do Palm's use linux? May 25 06:21:52 like webOS is a form of linux? May 25 06:22:04 or just preware does something with linux? May 25 06:22:26 um...maybe? May 25 06:22:40 webOS is a distro of linux. May 25 06:22:51 k May 25 06:22:53 makes sense May 25 06:23:02 cuz I knew luna was to do with linux May 25 06:23:13 it's like the name of .. I forget the word May 25 06:23:15 i've never seen luna before linux May 25 06:23:17 a distro? May 25 06:23:21 a window manager? May 25 06:23:36 Luna is The Moon? May 25 06:23:54 +ka6sox i dont know if it is a Ajax problem or a generel WebOs problem, can i ask the problem? May 25 06:24:05 HA!!! May 25 06:24:05 got it May 25 06:24:06 :) May 25 06:24:07 woot May 25 06:24:31 HotDP, ask away...I may not know but somebody might! May 25 06:25:52 Oki, the problem is that i have a button, and on the click event, i am disabling the button. That works fine. The problem is that i can't do it in "onSucces" or "onComplete", if i do i get a "TypeError: Cannot call method 'setDisabled' of object" May 25 06:26:41 Like if i am inside the Ajax-Request method i do not "reach" the correct button? May 25 06:26:59 this.$.button.setDiabled(true); May 25 06:27:04 I'm not really a fan of the theme for VK May 25 06:27:14 dark rounded is the best.. but still needs work May 25 06:28:06 has anyone had a problem with preware saying you have no apps or patches installed, when you have a ton of both installed? May 25 06:28:41 HotDP, dunno on that one... May 25 06:28:56 hey there...thought I'd post a screen shot of log4j's Chainsaw V2 tailing the output from palm-log: http://www.flickr.com/photos/79551761@N00/4637717431/sizes/l/ May 25 06:28:57 but hang around an somebody will probably have an answer. May 25 06:30:11 HotDP: are you saying it's like onComplete(setDisabled); or something? May 25 06:30:38 I just execute the code directly within the onComplete May 25 06:30:50 Chainsaw is an Apache project, supports colorizing, searching and filtering using a simple expression syntax..web site: http://logging.apache.org/chainsaw May 25 06:30:52 can you send that single line May 25 06:31:01 morning May 25 06:31:06 1:31am May 25 06:31:14 23:31am May 25 06:31:16 er pm! May 25 06:31:21 var myAjax = new Ajax.Request( May 25 06:31:21 gurl, { May 25 06:31:21 method: 'get', May 25 06:31:21 requestTimeout: 5, May 25 06:31:21 onSuccess: showResponse, May 25 06:31:22 onTimeout: onTimeout, May 25 06:31:22 onComplete: function() {;this.$.btnTestConnection.setDiabled(false);} May 25 06:31:24 morning Swiss May 25 06:31:44 HotDP, webos-interals.pastebin.com May 25 06:32:01 thx May 25 06:32:14 8:32am May 25 06:32:16 other screenshots here as well, including shots of Chainsaw tailing android output... May 25 06:32:18 http://www.flickr.com/photos/79551761@N00/ May 25 06:32:25 hmm May 25 06:32:29 I don't like vk May 25 06:32:33 HotDP: why do you have a semicolon right after the { May 25 06:32:34 it is very laggy May 25 06:32:36 etc May 25 06:32:44 but preware has more to offer than just vk May 25 06:33:32 yokken ok? May 25 06:33:58 function() {;thi <- error May 25 06:34:12 remove that one May 25 06:34:18 remove that ; May 25 06:34:44 i Have my copy/paste mistake May 25 06:34:46 lol May 25 06:34:50 gj nub May 25 06:36:46 http://webos-interals.pastebin.com/wR6cFMBR here it is May 25 06:36:49 hahaha May 25 06:36:57 they have an adobe flash countdown app May 25 06:36:57 lmfao May 25 06:37:34 Its like this is wrong to use as it cant fint the method on the object May 25 06:37:36 nice find May 25 06:37:39 a good calc May 25 06:37:44 with trig functions logs etc May 25 06:37:54 Because i am within the the Request? May 25 06:38:10 Because it works fine when i am not inside May 25 06:40:10 dit i do it right with pastebin? May 25 06:46:01 HotDP: when you make a new function, you have a new variable scope where this is something else May 25 06:47:37 this is all pretty confusing at first, i know May 25 06:52:46 HGNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN May 25 06:52:51 heart attack via text May 25 06:53:01 heh May 25 06:54:55 is there a way to unpack ipks May 25 06:55:22 well I'm going to get off May 25 06:55:23 peace out guys May 25 06:55:27 thanks yokkhen May 25 06:55:28 a lot May 25 06:55:31 later curtiss May 25 06:55:33 take it easy May 25 06:55:44 if you ever want to talk my email is renkiewiczc@hotmail.com May 25 06:55:54 peace May 25 06:56:27 yokken: what os? May 25 06:56:36 swisstomcat: osx May 25 06:56:53 but proficient with linux so no worries May 25 06:57:29 morning rwhitby May 25 06:57:55 don't know about osx May 25 06:58:08 on linux you can use the archive viewer May 25 07:15:28 i just used 7zip May 25 07:15:38 herro rwhitby May 25 07:15:48 it's called hero :) May 25 07:28:33 lol May 25 07:48:03 +swisstomcat <-- Hello again May 25 07:48:12 sry for being away May 25 07:48:26 hello May 25 07:48:36 I thought it was something about the scope, but how can i "reach" the button? May 25 07:49:12 this is how i do it: onSuccess: this.whateverfunction.bind(this) May 25 07:49:26 note the bind(this) May 25 07:49:51 Aha så i make a new function where i place my button code. and call the function with bind(this) ? May 25 07:50:01 that should work May 25 07:50:31 I dont think i have read that anywhere, i try i right away May 25 07:53:39 That does not work, the code inside my "new" method is the same, is that wrong? May 25 07:54:09 http://webos-interals.pastebin.com/jiU0Qeqy May 25 07:54:28 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'setDisabled' of object May 25 07:55:22 maybe the code is posted on the forum is wrong May 25 07:55:26 i May 25 07:55:41 Its like "this" is not working because i am in wrong scope May 25 07:56:43 try this.$.btnTestConnection.mojo.deactivate(); May 25 07:56:49 otherwise i have to test it myself May 25 07:57:42 i try it now May 25 07:57:50 Thanks for helping me :) May 25 07:57:57 np May 25 07:58:42 this.$.btnTestConnection.mojo.deactivate(); May 25 07:58:56 I think i have not done it like you said May 25 07:59:57 I have called the function TEST May 25 07:59:58 http://webos-interals.pastebin.com/xiGTB1s0 May 25 08:00:38 I think i am using this wrong or something? May 25 08:01:02 what's the error now? May 25 08:02:32 HotDP: 'bind' returns a function, but does not execute it May 25 08:02:46 so on complete is called, and then you call bind on that TEST May 25 08:02:50 which just returns a function May 25 08:03:07 you probably mean this onComplete: function(){ this.TEST() }.bind(this) May 25 08:03:33 aha May 25 08:03:38 <-- trying to understand May 25 08:03:51 iwasbiggs: that's not how i use it May 25 08:04:26 onSuccess: this.GPSStationListSuccess.bind(this), May 25 08:04:34 maybe it's different on onComplete? May 25 08:05:46 you are not calling bind with this.$.btnTestConnection, where as this.TEST.bind() is May 25 08:07:28 i would be surprised that the commented out works, but it might, depends on the 'this' context and how the window.$ works May 25 08:07:33 I still get the same error May 25 08:08:19 http://webos-interals.pastebin.com/m04vVxAf May 25 08:08:33 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'mojo' of object May 25 08:09:08 can you post TEST May 25 08:09:18 sure May 25 08:09:21 chances are you have not called setupWidget or it is not a real widget May 25 08:09:31 I use Ares May 25 08:09:45 i am not that familiar with ares workings May 25 08:09:56 http://webos-interals.pastebin.com/crSwcDHF May 25 08:10:23 TEST may have to be a child function of the ares stuff May 25 08:10:36 like SceneName.prototype.TEST May 25 08:10:45 i do not know how the ares stuff works for real though May 25 08:11:20 presumably this gurl stuff is in another function, like some onClick handler? May 25 08:11:39 No it is just the google url? May 25 08:11:53 no i mean what triggers this first pasting to run? a button click? May 25 08:12:02 Yes May 25 08:12:03 or is it just onload of the window? May 25 08:12:08 the button that i would like to change May 25 08:12:26 alright, and at the top of the function ares made for you, what is that? May 25 08:12:42 what does its declaration read? May 25 08:12:44 btnTestConnectionTap: function(inSender, event) { <-- Event May 25 08:12:54 ok, so lemme try May 25 08:13:37 function PreferencesAssistant.prototype.TEST() does not work May 25 08:14:00 yeah ares does somthing weird May 25 08:14:06 http://webos-interals.pastebin.com/1bZfskvn May 25 08:14:52 The test method is in my example outside May 25 08:16:15 does it have to be? May 25 08:16:30 No May 25 08:17:40 What should i write in onComplete? May 25 08:18:05 onComplete: function(){ this.TEST(); }, ? May 25 08:18:32 onComplete: function(){ this.TEST() }.bind(this) May 25 08:19:25 Does not work May 25 08:19:35 :( May 25 08:19:51 yeah sorry , i really dont know how ares is setting stuff up then May 25 08:20:01 ffs :( May 25 08:20:07 What else can i try? May 25 08:20:40 they had some good tutorials on an rss reader in ares right? May 25 08:20:42 Its just like it does not fint the right button, because it runs the Methods fine, but the button stuff i do, fail May 25 08:21:03 I have seen alot of tutorials and videoes May 25 08:21:21 onComplete: this.test().bind(this) doesn't work? May 25 08:21:37 onComplete: this.TEST.bind(this) would work also May 25 08:21:50 because bind returns a function May 25 08:21:52 oops, yes May 25 08:22:22 It calls the mothod fine, it just dont like this.$.btnTestConnection.mojo.deactivate(); or other button methods May 25 08:23:07 If i try/catch the button command it says TypeError: Cannot call method 'deactivate' of object May 25 08:23:18 like its not the right object May 25 08:23:21 I am thinking "this.$" is only for use by the ares bindings May 25 08:24:24 I use it before the ajax.request for getting textbox values fine like: this.$.txtIP.getValue() May 25 08:24:49 Is there another way i can get the button? May 25 08:24:51 yeah so it is for the ares view class only May 25 08:25:13 there are other ways, in traditional dom method getElementById('my_button') May 25 08:25:47 or whatever id your button was assign May 25 08:25:53 i am not sure if ares lets you do that though May 25 08:26:02 Lol this is fonny, if I: console.log(this.$.btnTestConnection); It gives me btnTestConnection: Palm.Mojo.ActivityButton May 25 08:26:16 So it can find my button May 25 08:26:20 very good May 25 08:26:29 But i can not call methods on it from therE? May 25 08:26:45 can you do getValue();? May 25 08:26:49 on that button? May 25 08:28:18 1 sec May 25 08:28:55 TypeError: Object btnTestConnection: Palm.Mojo.ActivityButton has no method 'getValue' May 25 08:29:21 Its just like there is something fondumental i am missing May 25 08:31:59 Success! May 25 08:32:05 oh May 25 08:32:19 This if kind of funny and would like to get it explained May 25 08:32:34 this.getButton = this.controller.get('btnTestConnection'); May 25 08:32:34 this.getButton.mojo.deactivate(); May 25 08:32:37 Works? May 25 08:32:53 we talk about 6 hours wasted here May 25 08:32:54 :) May 25 08:33:23 hmm May 25 08:33:46 but this.controller.get('btnTestConnection).mojo.deactivate(); didn't work? May 25 08:33:53 i sec May 25 08:34:32 this.controller.get('btnTestConnection').mojo.deactivate(); May 25 08:35:01 also works May 25 08:35:09 this.$.btnTestConnection.mojo.deactivate(); <-- Does not work May 25 08:35:33 But i was told on forum that Ares does not use controller.get but $ ? May 25 08:37:01 yeah, that was me May 25 08:37:24 But can you explain ftw is hoing on :) May 25 08:37:29 going* May 25 08:37:32 not really May 25 08:37:34 very strange May 25 08:39:15 :) May 25 08:39:53 I am a .Net programmer normally, so its kind of frustration things are done in different ways, i would like to know then and how :-S May 25 08:40:44 well, this.$ is some special gimmick of the ares framework May 25 08:40:56 it could be returning anything May 25 08:41:03 That is in beta? May 25 08:41:16 i normally only use $ when i use jQuery May 25 08:41:16 well my point is that the interfaces may not be exactly what you think they are May 25 08:41:33 so it is not "bad code" to use this.controller.get ? May 25 08:41:48 this.controller.get is the right way for most apps May 25 08:41:52 I think i have used it before where it did not work and i had to use the $ May 25 08:41:53 many are built without ares May 25 08:42:18 this.$.widgetName could invoke code dynamically May 25 08:42:40 That makes sense May 25 08:42:43 and your result is not guaranteed to be what this.controller.get returns May 25 08:43:02 But how come this.controller.get does not work everytime`? May 25 08:43:14 work every time? May 25 08:43:17 what didn't it work with? May 25 08:43:31 this.controller.get returns the mojo widget in the vanilla sense May 25 08:43:44 ares this.$ could have decorated or rearranged that result May 25 08:44:44 i am also curious what that particular function does too now May 25 08:45:39 or worse, this.controller.get could have been overridden and modified by ares May 25 08:46:59 Yer May 25 08:47:35 I think i tryed to get the value from a textbos with this.controller and could not get it to work so i had to use the $ May 25 08:50:07 i think with ares you get a straight up debugger right? try setting a break point on two lines, one that does this.controller.get and the other on this.$ May 25 08:50:16 and seeing what really goes on May 25 08:52:47 yes, there's a debugger May 25 08:53:28 yes May 25 08:53:48 hmm May 25 08:53:55 Still May 25 08:54:12 When i make a function in top of my js, it does not work :S May 25 08:56:14 Why must it be within PreferencesAssistant.prototype = { setup: function() { May 25 08:57:16 preferencesAssistant does not get 'controller' assigned to it until 'setup' is called May 25 08:57:55 So there is no way i can make a funtion outside? May 25 08:58:10 there is, but they wont have access to the controller until after setup is called May 25 08:58:17 aha May 25 08:58:18 and you would have to pass it around May 25 08:59:57 http://webos-interals.pastebin.com/mhbCh6D7 May 25 09:00:27 wow still working on making a button inactive May 25 09:01:25 thanks May 25 09:03:53 I know got a new problem :) May 25 09:03:57 now* May 25 09:10:47 I am getting frustrated now, onSuccess: showResponse <-- would would return af originalRequest that i would use. When i, move the content down in my "new" method with the working disable it does not owkr? May 25 09:12:04 pastie it May 25 09:12:21 i have a feeling you are just getting confused by the 'this' variable May 25 09:12:32 Maybe May 25 09:12:38 its not like c# May 25 09:12:39 heh May 25 09:13:27 I use onSuccess now: http://webos-interals.pastebin.com/6aFKekLp May 25 09:13:34 javascript and c# may look similar May 25 09:14:32 onSuccess: this.showResponse.bind(this) May 25 09:14:33 http://webos-interals.pastebin.com/Rh6UK5cW <-- method i call May 25 09:16:14 http://webos-interals.pastebin.com/cPG2RrLv updated May 25 09:17:33 just weren't passing through the request object May 25 09:17:37 no biggie May 25 09:17:46 onSuccess: this.showResponse.bind(this) <-- works, but why? May 25 09:18:04 Why sometimes the one thing and another time the other? May 25 09:19:42 there are different way to do it May 25 09:19:59 i always use this.showResponse.bind(this), but that's just me May 25 09:23:00 onSuccess will call the function assigned to it with the response object, that value is not being passed through May 25 09:23:19 i made a mistake in the correction May 25 09:23:47 http://webos-interals.pastebin.com/Kg8neBF7 May 25 09:23:49 sorry there you go May 25 09:24:05 thx May 25 09:24:13 like swisstomcat says, you can skip the intermediate function May 25 09:24:28 since bind is returning a function May 25 09:24:39 bind will pass through variables too May 25 09:24:50 er arguments May 25 09:25:24 so you use bind often in webos? May 25 09:25:46 well, when doing a prototype style of inheritance you use it a lot May 25 09:25:56 as i've grown more comfortable i've moved away from it entirely May 25 09:26:11 i tend to favor the module pattern May 25 09:26:37 I got the "problem/thing" now May 25 09:26:52 I have to type this.controller.get('btnTestConnection').mojo.deactivate(); AND this.$.btnTestConnection.setDisabled(false); May 25 09:27:13 Why must i use $ one place and not the other? May 25 09:28:51 webos uses javascript May 25 09:29:22 and the prototype javascript library May 25 09:29:29 bind is from prototype May 25 09:30:40 aha May 25 09:32:18 I started to say it was about the Ajax.request, does anyone know if i could set the timeout time? May 25 09:32:38 ajax.request is from prototype too May 25 09:32:54 http://api.prototypejs.org/ May 25 09:33:03 http://api.prototypejs.org/ajax/ajax/request/ May 25 09:33:20 is there another way to make a request? May 25 09:33:30 why? May 25 09:33:43 I can not set the timeout time :s May 25 09:34:09 you can always set a timeout and cancel the request May 25 09:34:26 things like http timeouts may be restricted from configuration May 25 09:34:42 but it might be around, if it was, it would be in requestOptions somewhere in the docs May 25 09:35:07 i'm sure there's a builtin timeout, it that one too short? May 25 09:41:35 to long :S May 25 09:41:49 I want it lower, i cant find anything in the docs May 25 09:42:31 are you on the emulator? May 25 09:43:13 Yes May 25 09:43:56 i think timeouts are long there than on the device May 25 09:44:19 OKi i will give it a try, thanks :) but i can't find anything about lowering it May 25 11:20:20 egaudet: if you're in here, thank you for the long awaited update to super tux, I've never got to play it before today. May 25 11:24:01 is there any word of a luna manager update that won't take or is it just me? I just doctored on sunday. everytime I try to update 0.0.5 in preware it acts like it does but then luna manager is still 0.0.5 and the update is available again in preware. May 25 12:08:17 rwhitby: got my Makefile fixed and everything's compiling now May 25 12:08:29 sbromwich: sweet May 25 12:09:33 hmm May 25 12:09:44 google has opened up source code for my tracks... the navigation app May 25 12:10:36 rwhitby: it would appear it helps not to try to apply the same patch twice. Go figure. May 25 12:10:53 now I just need to come up with a name for the new kernel that got compiled May 25 12:11:02 suggestions anyone? May 25 12:11:11 1.4.1-30 ? May 25 12:11:29 sbromwich, braindead May 25 12:11:33 ;D May 25 12:11:42 yes, 1.4.1-28, but I also need an "exciting" name that people can refer to May 25 12:11:57 sbromwich: I always thought 'nt4cats' had a nice ring to it ... May 25 12:12:02 en0x: this is fixing up and removing a bunch of debug stuff May 25 12:12:08 nt4cats: done May 25 12:12:55 rwhitby: that URL I sent you the other night should be working now (actually as of 25 minutes after you got the error) May 25 12:15:22 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SBromwichKernel has been updated May 25 12:19:34 * nt4cats feels somehow compelled to run sbromwich's newest kernel May 25 12:19:52 *grin* May 25 12:20:04 I just booted it myself May 25 12:47:11 hey all May 25 12:47:24 i'm searching a patch for contacts to delete all contacts.. in one step.. May 25 12:51:40 * nt4cats will bbiab May 25 13:14:11 morning all May 25 13:14:19 morning May 25 13:15:24 so swisstomcat, it looks like if you want to win hot apps, you need to come up with more ideas like "boobs and explosions" May 25 13:15:43 too bad someone already stole that idea May 25 13:16:04 maybe i should do a boobs & cars app May 25 13:16:09 i'm just surprised that it's doing so well May 25 13:16:13 there ya go May 25 13:17:04 * HattCzech_work just doesn't understand May 25 13:17:06 heheh May 25 13:17:16 stuff like that sells May 25 13:18:37 well, it's free, but just ridiculous May 25 13:19:26 and yeah, i've noticed that those apps sell, also May 25 13:28:14 But it is made so crappy :-S May 25 13:28:39 is there a way to write a patch for contacts, to delete all contacts in one step? May 25 13:30:02 HotDP: i know, that's what's so disappointing May 25 13:30:02 i didn't even look at that app May 25 13:30:22 noaXess: remove the account that links them all? May 25 13:30:31 I looked at the pictures because i would see what it was about. And it just looked crappy. May 25 13:31:04 yeah, and it's got like 3x as many downloads as me :/ (about 1/2 way to hot app status) May 25 13:32:17 hmm i can't see it on http://palmhotapps.com ? May 25 13:32:37 ahh did noy see ½ way May 25 13:35:28 any recommendations on a domain registrar? godaddy? namecheap? May 25 13:36:14 http://speednames.com/ May 25 13:38:38 that doesn't seem too cheap May 25 13:38:56 No they are not cheap :( May 25 13:39:06 But our company uses them. May 25 13:41:56 So gave recommandations for that, not the pice :) May 25 13:42:06 heheh, that is what i asked for :) May 25 13:47:52 hrmm May 25 13:48:08 total memory: 7893M, used: 6208M May 25 13:48:53 uh oh May 25 13:50:23 need more ram :) May 25 14:03:01 HattCzech_work: use godaddy, find some silly-cheap coupon codes on the net May 25 14:03:14 don't use them for anything except domain registration May 25 14:03:27 i just want to do privacy May 25 14:03:33 so that's a bit pricier May 25 17:07:28 can anyone send me their start_animation from palm pre. I'm apparently missing mine haha May 25 17:07:40 it's in /etc/init.d/ May 25 17:08:06 sk1tt1sh, couldn't you snatch one from the emulator? May 25 17:08:14 haha doin that right now :p May 25 17:08:18 or the doc May 25 17:08:33 started emu but yea didn't think about opening the doc up May 25 17:10:32 where at in the doc is it? May 25 17:11:25 i dont remember exactly what all to extract May 25 17:11:36 but once you find the rootfs, its in the same place in there it is on the pre May 25 17:11:52 kk May 25 17:12:07 oops May 25 17:13:18 haha well no start anime in the image odd May 25 17:15:12 sk1tt1sh: confirmed it's not in the image May 25 17:15:47 sk1tt1sh: and not on my device, although I do have shutdown_animation May 25 17:45:33 wtf May 25 17:45:53 looks like mozilla server sucks May 25 18:06:47 i'm having a problem with my preware... everytime it gets to loading the palm-catalog it just hangs there forever May 25 18:07:20 goto feed management and toggle that feed off May 25 18:09:55 ok i'll try that, thanks May 25 18:11:14 is the palm-catalog feed just the official app store? May 25 18:11:22 yes May 25 18:12:11 cool, that worked! so i just have to leave the palm-catalog feed turned off for good? May 25 18:13:26 after you sucessfully update the other feeds May 25 18:13:31 you can try turning it back on and updating again May 25 18:13:44 though, preware now defaults to having that feed disabled May 25 18:37:12 quick question. Why does it show next to most of my processes when i do ps x lol May 25 18:52:27 hi May 25 19:23:27 what would be the most basic service i could start with if i wanted to make my own? May 25 19:25:18 the example service May 25 19:25:44 is that in the preware git? May 25 19:25:48 or somewhere else? May 25 19:26:03 sorry webos-internals git May 25 19:26:24 hmm I thought there was not sure May 25 19:26:28 are you talking C service? May 25 19:26:38 yeah, i don't know java, so c service May 25 19:27:17 granted, it's all just syntax changes, but still, i'd rather not do that May 25 19:27:39 yea C is the awesome anyway May 25 19:28:10 I don't know what the simplest C service is we have in git May 25 19:28:21 egaudet_work: have you written any of the webos-internals services? May 25 19:28:23 but the lunaservice headers have a lot of examples there May 25 19:28:56 I have helped with some May 25 19:28:58 mostly wircd May 25 19:29:03 okay May 25 19:29:08 I have a decent understanding of how they work May 25 19:29:21 i want a service so my app can be totally in the backgroun May 25 19:29:27 background* May 25 19:29:51 would you agree that it would be the best method for totally headless May 25 19:29:52 ? May 25 19:40:19 js apps can't be headless? May 25 19:45:08 well, they kinda can... but they need to have a timer or something May 25 19:45:11 which i don't want to do May 25 19:45:24 or dashboard May 25 19:45:34 yeah, i have a dashboard May 25 19:45:38 i'm trying to go away from that May 25 19:45:52 the only other way is getting started every 5 mins May 25 19:46:32 services don't continue to run? May 25 19:47:53 i think May 25 19:49:26 Can someone help with a post Dr Preware problem? May 25 19:49:37 ...? so services do continue to run? or they get started every 5 min? May 25 19:50:14 they run in the background May 25 19:52:36 okay May 25 19:52:49 then i'll want to do that May 25 19:52:59 and find a way to keep it secure May 25 19:53:09 which i think will be extremely difficult May 25 19:54:06 may I ask what you want to do in the background? May 25 19:54:55 tap into the messaging service May 25 19:57:43 Where does the Pre save videos I filmed with the camera? May 25 19:58:55 Anyone? I"d be happy to check back later. In a nutshell...got a replacement pre. copied over my usb info from my computer and reinstalled Preware with webosQI. Preware thinks my patches are installed. EPR gives a error and says nothing is installed, but does not update the list of installed packages. I'm kinda stuck at this point. May 25 20:00:11 you might run the doctor and try againß May 25 20:00:13 ? May 25 20:01:08 LOL, that was the short story. Long is I did a full erase, doctored and then did above. I dont know where Preware is getting the list of installed packages May 25 20:02:25 there are folders for each patch in cryptf May 25 20:02:28 +s May 25 20:02:45 but there is another list too, IIRC, but don't know where May 25 20:03:16 I made sure not to copy over hidden folders May 25 20:04:31 i don't think they're hidden May 25 20:04:41 there might be a emergency patch something tool? May 25 20:05:08 clears out what it doesn't see... but i haven't used it in a while... and it was under different circumstances May 25 20:05:59 Ron001: you can try uhh ESI I think it is May 25 20:06:58 emerg file verification didn't help May 25 20:07:08 there is the emerg reconstruction utility? May 25 20:07:17 Emergency Service Enabler May 25 20:07:38 ERU won't help May 25 20:07:40 ESE probably will May 25 20:08:03 you copied all the package info from your old pre to new pre but none of the stock webOS files are touched May 25 20:08:05 What about llama? May 25 20:08:20 ESE will re-run the postinst's to re apply the patches May 25 20:08:33 I'll try ESE May 25 20:11:33 yo May 25 20:12:28 hi May 25 20:13:16 Why do I have 70 "this is a webos application" things listed? May 25 20:13:32 boilerplate developers? May 25 20:15:37 yeah May 25 20:15:47 that's the default app title May 25 20:15:54 it's strange yes May 25 20:16:02 even happens for my apps May 25 20:16:45 Just submitted my "Show unread emails in email icon" patch May 25 20:17:22 where on the media drive is the saved package list? The first thing Preware did after I installed it was rewrite over my old one and I want to copy it back. May 25 20:35:04 ping oil May 25 20:59:22 MetaView: I'd be superhappy if you made a patch for email notifications to have an option to mark the notification email as read (Not delete!) May 25 21:06:38 whats good May 25 21:41:58 g'night everyone May 25 21:45:13 can anyone tell me where preware stores the saved package list? I'd like to restore it. May 25 22:20:27 Hi, i am having problems with the preware app May 25 22:21:08 * oilsworkn might be able to help May 25 22:21:58 * HattCzech_work nods in oilsworkn's direction May 25 22:22:02 thanks, i have installed the app for the first time. but when i start it up, it says that the service is unavailable May 25 22:22:24 which version did you attempt to install? May 25 22:22:35 (and how did you do it?) May 25 22:22:37 1.1.0 May 25 22:22:55 have you tried rebootin' the phone? May 25 22:23:01 i i opened the webos quick install May 25 22:23:46 clicked the third button, Selected WebOS - internal (Pre) May 25 22:23:59 i tried rebooting the app then the phone May 25 22:24:03 hm May 25 22:25:31 and this is the first time installing it? May 25 22:25:43 yep May 25 22:26:16 id say try removing it and reinstalling May 25 22:26:23 (really, it should just work) May 25 22:26:30 lol May 25 22:26:39 ok ill try that real quick May 25 22:30:03 oh i forgot to tell you... May 25 22:30:25 there was an error when i tried to install it. i just got it again... May 25 22:30:36 what error? May 25 22:30:36 ahhh, that changes things May 25 22:31:13 ERROR: An error occured while attempting to run /tmp/ipkgScript.sh May 25 22:31:34 No Packages removed. Nothing to be done... May 25 22:31:48 hm May 25 22:32:00 that is probably why its not working May 25 22:32:01 haha May 25 22:32:06 lol May 25 22:32:07 what version of quick install you using? May 25 22:32:13 the newest? May 25 22:32:34 1.0 May 25 22:33:01 no i dont think so... i downloaded the newest the other day, but it didnt work to install themes May 25 22:34:02 but apparently you all have lots of themes so i probably dont need to worry about that anymore. Ill get the newest Quick Install May 25 22:39:48 i think its working now. (note to self: check for software updates before i take up other peoples time) May 25 22:40:23 no problem May 25 22:40:31 my employer payed for it May 25 22:40:36 one last question. what are the "must haves" May 25 22:40:56 they're definately not themes May 25 22:41:05 haha May 25 22:41:16 lol May 25 22:41:24 there is some real good patches May 25 22:41:29 you'll want to check those out May 25 22:41:36 like 4x4 icons in launcher May 25 22:42:00 oouu that sounds cool May 25 22:42:13 if i try to point out apps im going to end up pointing out my own apps xD May 25 22:42:29 heheh true May 25 22:42:33 i would too ;) May 25 22:42:37 drpodder is a definite winner if you like podcasts May 25 22:42:42 and i didn't write that one :) May 25 22:42:54 but preware, wirc, govnah are all good :) May 25 22:43:01 meh... May 25 22:43:02 :p May 25 22:43:26 let halfhalo tell you about his apps May 25 22:43:40 he made the fart apps May 25 22:43:40 xD May 25 22:43:43 The ones where I no longer have the source code for? May 25 22:43:48 lol May 25 22:43:49 God damn dog May 25 22:44:16 lol May 25 22:44:33 halfhalo-work: why do you need the source when the app is the source? May 25 22:44:38 :) May 25 22:44:49 because I don't have any recent ipk's either May 25 22:44:56 ohhh, fail May 25 22:45:04 basically, don't download anything halfhalo wrote May 25 22:45:08 lol May 25 22:45:09 cause its been abandoned May 25 22:45:18 damn lol May 25 22:45:37 feel free to check out my group texting app: txt group ;) May 25 22:45:38 an easier way to suggest things, is you to tell us what you want May 25 22:45:46 nah, steamfriends and steamfriends pro are still going to be developed May 25 22:45:47 i see 4 versions of 4x4 and also 5x5 is the a secret to picking one? May 25 22:45:47 * HattCzech_work knows that was a shameless plug May 25 22:46:04 Just have to start over.... again May 25 22:46:07 check out the pictures and see what you like best May 25 22:46:27 i like stuff that helps me be more productive, and reference May 25 22:46:43 they all do something a little different May 25 22:46:49 and *should* have screenshots May 25 22:46:56 lies May 25 22:47:01 im using 4x4 v3 i think May 25 22:47:09 I'm not May 25 22:47:11 i'm using v2 May 25 22:47:18 old version fail May 25 22:47:19 xD May 25 22:47:19 Well, I'm not using anything May 25 22:47:30 not even pants May 25 22:47:34 stock icons? May 25 22:47:35 hahaha May 25 22:47:39 they look all big and dumb May 25 22:47:47 my sprint pre is completely stock May 25 22:47:47 like, my finger is not that fat May 25 22:47:48 VERY big May 25 22:47:57 it pains me to hear that May 25 22:48:10 as it did yesterday when it was mentioned May 25 22:48:12 lol May 25 22:48:43 My plus is all crazy though May 25 22:49:42 :( i want a plus May 25 22:49:49 or two pluses May 25 22:50:00 while i wouldn't say no to a plus on sprint May 25 22:50:01 ++ there ya go May 25 22:50:03 id rather wait for v2 May 25 22:50:06 not 1.5 May 25 22:50:07 I want a plus on sprint... well thats a lie. I want a plus on ATT for sprints prices May 25 22:50:09 hahaha, thanks egaudet May 25 22:50:26 i want a 4G one May 25 22:50:34 I want an 11G one May 25 22:51:00 i could really use a 4G... been considering the EVO... May 25 22:51:13 bannishment May 25 22:51:17 hahaha May 25 22:51:24 haha May 25 22:51:31 Meh, I did for a time, then the pricing came out and I was like "oh#%$!that" May 25 22:51:35 don't get me wrong, i'm a big palm fan... have been for a long time May 25 22:51:56 isn't it only $10 more than the current "everything data" plan? May 25 22:52:14 plus another 29 for the hotspot May 25 22:52:58 meh May 25 22:53:03 pssssh, i wouldn't pay for that May 25 22:53:16 8 minutes till home.... May 25 22:53:51 sprint said they dont offer tethering, is that still possible with the app? May 25 22:54:02 mebe May 25 22:54:03 dont offer that anymore* May 25 22:54:06 sprint says alot of things May 25 22:54:13 lol that they do May 25 22:54:15 you can still tether May 25 22:54:15 just dont get caught May 25 22:54:19 they just don't like you to May 25 22:54:32 dont play wow for 48 hours over your phone May 25 22:54:38 AGAIN May 25 22:54:45 T-6 May 25 22:54:52 yeah, i've used it for logging in to work through my laptop May 25 22:55:05 i use to tether all the time with my 900 and didnt even know it was wrong until they told me when i called cuz it stopped working May 25 22:55:15 T-5 May 25 22:55:24 I want a drumstick May 25 22:55:27 haha May 25 22:55:39 "this isn't working" "you weren't supposed to be doing that in the first place!" May 25 22:56:07 so how does your org make money? i haven seen paid apps or ads, so whats up? May 25 22:56:27 money? May 25 22:56:30 we do this for fun May 25 22:56:30 they told me there was nothing they could do to sstop me tho, haha May 25 22:57:00 THEY do it for fun, I do it for money May 25 22:57:09 YOU CALL THIS FUN!?!?! just jokin May 25 22:57:38 bbl hometime May 25 23:08:03 so egaudet, now that you're back, what you gonna work on? :) May 25 23:13:42 asking myself the same question :P May 25 23:13:52 The prophecies are true he has returned. May 25 23:14:16 lol May 25 23:14:43 * Templarian1 mumbles something faintly in a blueish tin about joining the light side (WP7). May 25 23:14:54 bannishment! May 25 23:15:04 haha May 25 23:15:48 My whole new website is in pure JS (with a PHP fall back). May 25 23:16:04 fancy? May 25 23:16:14 * oilsworkn waits for link May 25 23:16:22 * oilsworkn hopes its better then preware site May 25 23:16:35 Far better code, I did the preware site in 1 day lol. May 25 23:16:46 yeah, it shows :) May 25 23:17:44 http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7414/mobilew.png This is the mockup and http://templarian.com/ is the coming soon page. May 25 23:18:05 no under construction man digging hole animated gif? May 25 23:18:10 and you call yourself a webdesigner?! May 25 23:18:15 xD May 25 23:18:48 whats it look like on a full screen and not mobile? May 25 23:18:48 hehe. Yea I know, embarrassment to the profession. May 25 23:19:25 Pretty nice actually I'm recoding how I handle widgets so it can be adapted to a mobile editor at the moment or I would take a screenshot. May 25 23:19:34 ah May 25 23:19:44 Kine of like how http://touch.facebook.com/ does it May 25 23:19:57 But mine looks better. May 25 23:21:28 you get a lot of visitors to your personal site? May 25 23:21:47 I use to years ago when I blogged, but not any more. May 25 23:21:52 Site has been down for a long time. May 25 23:22:59 I'm coding the website so it can be pulled into a WYSIWYG editor on mobile. May 25 23:37:22 hmmph May 25 23:37:52 Unable to run command: /usr/bin/luna-send -n 6 ... May 25 23:37:56 patches only May 25 23:39:03 morning May 25 23:39:25 whats good May 25 23:39:28 morning May 25 23:41:48 HattCzech_work following precentral.net? May 25 23:42:15 somewhat... why? May 25 23:42:36 i read it fairly often May 25 23:42:40 oh, specifically the HP Slate May 25 23:44:00 what does a tablet need to be webos ready? May 25 23:44:17 HattCzech_work: webos compatible hardware? May 25 23:44:48 i'm lost :) May 25 23:45:02 i was wondering what oc80z was referring to May 25 23:45:17 but at this point, i will have to look into it later May 25 23:45:25 as i am leaving work May 25 23:45:30 talk to y'all later May 26 00:00:16 * rwhitby watches PalmCast Live May 26 00:00:58 same May 26 00:26:10 having fun in the chat there rwhitby? Lol May 26 00:30:41 Ha ha May 26 00:56:00 yawn May 26 01:02:06 i find it weird sometimes looking at people's arbitrary decisions for fixed point locations .. why choose 10 bits ? or 12 ? May 26 01:22:03 that was interesting. May 26 01:41:16 Unable to run command: /usr/bin/luna-send -n 6 ... May 26 01:47:33 `- even after reboot -- guess ill reinstall preware May 26 01:48:16 yikes, i hope i didnt add a bad feed. May 26 01:51:10 ...phone reset May 26 01:52:40 Hrm , webos doctor -> devmode -> wosqi -> preware May 26 01:53:04 oc80z: webos doctor -> nt4cat's preware installation live cd ;) May 26 01:53:16 or webos doctor -> novaterm, preware bootstrap May 26 01:53:39 i typically use the latter May 26 01:54:22 hows life manG May 26 01:56:35 well, preware/wosqi is not reporting any patches installed. May 26 01:57:01 i think the first attempt was ah, facebook spoof + ldiff ... May 26 01:58:31 srsly wosqi should be on preware.org.. May 26 01:59:12 what happened to the preware.jar installer? May 26 02:01:55 oc80z: should have a 1.1.0 installer up sometime this week May 26 02:18:27 mmm ive pointed about 8 or 9 webos users to preware.org, mostly on the subway. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 26 02:59:57 2010