**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 02 02:59:57 2010 Jun 02 03:07:10 hey Jun 02 03:07:13 zsoc Jun 02 03:07:45 yes? Jun 02 03:08:18 we need to record w/o sound. Jun 02 03:08:46 video recording w/o sound. Jun 02 03:08:57 explain to me how that makes sense please Jun 02 03:09:28 when recording police make an arrest. Jun 02 03:09:37 the person will not be charged with wiretapping. Jun 02 03:09:46 (the person video recording) Jun 02 03:09:56 if you're talking about america, you're going to be arrested just for suggesting that Jun 02 03:10:06 you have no freedom, and law does not apply to law enforcement Jun 02 03:10:11 maybe 20 years ago i would have considered it Jun 02 03:10:12 we have freedom Jun 02 03:10:16 we are free to do as we are told. Jun 02 03:11:01 really??? Jun 02 03:11:11 i thought it was just sound. Jun 02 03:11:31 anyway, just buy a small cam and mount it in your car :p Jun 02 03:11:46 besides, you probably wouldn't be concerned about that unless you sell drugs, so stop selling drugs Jun 02 03:11:58 yeah re: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl7WWkQrkyo Jun 02 03:13:57 bbl, tnx. Jun 02 04:00:17 oc80z, there's no law against recording sound in NY, as long as at least one party being recorded is aware of the recording. Jun 02 04:00:33 it varies state by state Jun 02 06:32:31 rwhitby: :-) whe had the same idea. Thaks that you commented it too Jun 02 06:33:06 hape: yp Jun 02 06:33:26 hape: I'm getting widk to work on Ubuntu 10.4 right now Jun 02 06:33:56 I'm on 9.10 and will stay ther. Hope it will still work Jun 02 06:35:06 I expect it will Jun 02 06:36:03 rwhitby: espeak Makefile should work now every time. So my plan is to start working on the autobuilder Makefile when I find the time. This should work now as there are no PDK dependencies Jun 02 06:36:21 hape: we now have a new autobuilder instance (tinker) that can build cross-compile.git Jun 02 06:36:43 so now we can start merging build.git and cross-compile.git Jun 02 06:37:12 rwhitby: wow, dose this mean we do not need to create a new Makefile, only adefinition in the new autobuilder? Jun 02 06:37:27 hape: that I do not know yet Jun 02 06:37:49 it may be possible to merge the two Makefiles into one Jun 02 06:37:56 and do building and packaging in the one Makefile Jun 02 06:42:54 ok, let's see. Then I wait until I get more information on what need to be done Jun 02 06:48:36 rwhitby: I did a quick look into the makefiles in the guild.git. For me they look very simualr to the once from the once I know from the cross-compile.git. Only some definitions are added at the beginning for the autobilder. Or I'm wrong? Jun 02 06:48:55 hape: yes, they are pretty close Jun 02 06:48:59 s/guild.git/build.git/ Jun 02 06:48:59 hape meant: rwhitby: I did a quick look into the makefiles in the build.git. For me they look very simualr to the once from the once I know from the cross-compile.git. Only some definitions are added at the beginning for the autobilder. Or I'm wrong? Jun 02 06:49:14 hape: the two were designed to eventually be merged together Jun 02 06:49:51 fasination on the work you do there again and agin. Where do you find teh time beside famely and job? Jun 02 06:50:06 I'm hay if I find the time for the little stuff that I do Jun 02 08:07:49 on windows, when attempting to use novaterm for a USB device, should the target be "localhost"? Jun 02 08:15:14 hmm, ssh to localhost will have to just suffice for now... thanks guys.. =) Jun 02 11:36:16 rwhitby: ping Jun 02 11:36:24 sbromwich: hi Jun 02 11:36:30 hey rwhitby Jun 02 11:36:38 I've been chasing down battery drain problems Jun 02 11:36:51 I have a nasty suspicion govnah might not be helping matters :-/ Jun 02 11:37:18 sbromwich: govnah does pull a lot of data and store it Jun 02 11:37:19 if you leave govnah running, yes, it will wake up the processor every second Jun 02 11:37:27 watching dbus monitor it's waking up extremely frequently, removing it has extended my battery life quite significantly Jun 02 11:37:32 oh. Jun 02 11:37:41 if it's every second that would explain it Jun 02 11:37:41 if you're concerned at all with battery life, you close govnah after you've applied a profile Jun 02 11:37:52 the graphing Jun 02 11:37:55 oh, yes, this is with govnah closed Jun 02 11:37:57 every second Jun 02 11:37:58 there is a preference to change the periodicity up to 1 minute Jun 02 11:38:00 it's the govnah service itself Jun 02 11:38:15 no, govnah service does nothing on it's own. Jun 02 11:38:25 perhaps you have a patch installed which calls the service? Jun 02 11:38:29 hmmm... there must be something else going on then Jun 02 11:38:35 or the battery monitor? Jun 02 11:38:42 perhaps I must,,,, perhaps I am going to have fun times tracing it down :-/ Jun 02 11:38:47 killed that too Jun 02 11:39:00 just look to see which app is calling it in the dbus-util --capture govnah Jun 02 11:39:27 I should have kept that before dumping govnah :-/ Jun 02 11:39:33 let me reinstall and give it another whirl Jun 02 11:39:36 i probably should switch to the new kernel Jun 02 11:39:42 i still use the old 720Mhz kernel Jun 02 11:39:45 oO Jun 02 11:40:08 en0x: so you're running a webos 1.4.0 kernel on your 1.4.1 device Jun 02 11:40:15 yap Jun 02 11:40:32 guess you don't have a verizon preplus then Jun 02 11:40:32 i never got a chance to switch or will to do it Jun 02 11:40:37 sprint pre Jun 02 11:41:05 I really hope the next webos version breaks kernel compatibility Jun 02 11:41:23 ok im removing the old kernel Jun 02 11:41:28 and i will puytthe new one Jun 02 11:41:40 afternoon Jun 02 11:41:41 I'm really hoping the next webos version has a newer kernel Jun 02 11:41:48 afternoon swisstomcat Jun 02 11:42:02 i'm hoping the next webos version will make ice cream Jun 02 11:42:30 en0x: don't set your sights so low, aim for dancing girls and beer Jun 02 11:42:40 ;] Jun 02 11:42:47 i'm hoping for some nifty hardware to run it on Jun 02 11:42:59 swisstomcat: *cough* tablet *cough& Jun 02 11:43:00 ;) Jun 02 11:43:04 yes Jun 02 11:43:08 i'd buy that Jun 02 11:43:16 tablet wont come up till end of the year Jun 02 11:43:20 I'll buy it if it isn't too expensive Jun 02 11:43:21 i want new phone tho Jun 02 11:43:21 i can wait Jun 02 11:43:28 my pre is falling apart Jun 02 11:43:33 en0x: I want a phone that feels like a brick <_< Jun 02 11:43:34 sbromwich, mine too :( Jun 02 11:43:39 not as heavy as one Jun 02 11:43:43 and i'm on a second one Jun 02 11:43:52 I am on a second and need to go get it replaced Jun 02 11:43:54 i don't want to hold a brick to my ear Jun 02 11:44:11 swisstomcat: I want somewhat light (a little heavier is ok) but solid Jun 02 11:44:17 NO OREO Jun 02 11:44:20 yeah Jun 02 11:44:28 i have oreo and touchscreen troubles Jun 02 11:44:33 [; Jun 02 11:44:34 my first was replaced Jun 02 11:44:45 when the capacitance screen stopped responding Jun 02 11:44:47 sbromwich, the touchstone i have too... charging charging charging ;D Jun 02 11:44:55 I need to get my second replaced Jun 02 11:45:01 because the keyboard no longer responds Jun 02 11:45:02 but i'm, too lazy to exchange it... it doesnt bother me so much Jun 02 11:46:46 'mornin Jun 02 11:48:25 meow nt4cats Jun 02 11:48:58 * Lumiere goes to burn a binder full of contract proposals Jun 02 11:49:29 hmm Jun 02 11:53:21 * nt4cats has mild oreo and occasional headset static Jun 02 11:53:56 * nt4cats didn't buy the 'insurance' -- so I think I'm screwed Jun 02 11:54:17 nt4cats: not in first year anymore? Jun 02 11:54:34 I am in the first year -- my anniversary is 12-June-2010 Jun 02 11:54:37 btw, if you ever get a warranty replacement, your phone warranty restarts Jun 02 11:54:41 you try more than one headset? Jun 02 11:54:55 I don't use headsets on palm devices Jun 02 11:54:59 tmzt: yep, any headset will crackle if you move/touch the plug at all Jun 02 11:55:04 the whole locking into headset mode thing Jun 02 11:55:10 happened on my 755p too Jun 02 11:55:28 I didn't realize I have a one year warranty on the hardware ... it may be worth calling them today Jun 02 11:56:34 I didn't have to pay to get moved over :) Jun 02 12:01:18 Lumiere: all webOS devices are still within their first year -- unless you have a pre-release device, I guess. Jun 02 12:02:40 nt4cats: my mind is kinda shot right now :) Jun 02 12:03:02 Lumiere: ... but that fact is only true for a few more days Jun 02 12:03:40 Hmmm, I suspect the "Verizon FIOS DVR" application is only available for Verizon Wireless customers. That's stinky., Jun 02 12:06:05 nt4cats: you should be able to do the same thing via mobile web Jun 02 12:06:16 does new govnah remember profiles? after reboot? Jun 02 12:06:27 but I bet you could suck the package across to your sprint phone Jun 02 12:07:39 Lumiere: the mobile web app works, but it is clunky (it was designed for phones with phone browsers, not real browsers) Jun 02 12:08:08 Lumiere: if I can figure out how to get my hands on the package, I'll certainly put it on my sprint phone :) Jun 02 12:09:07 * Lumiere points at rwhitby ;) Jun 02 12:09:14 * Lumiere -> work Jun 02 12:38:17 * nt4cats got the FIOS DVR app installed -- it is faster to use than the DVR itself :) Jun 02 12:38:25 the problem is an incorrect URL in the feed Jun 02 12:38:47 lol Jun 02 12:39:46 If I knew how to report the problem to Palm I would ... Jun 02 12:40:35 use the forum .. bug reports Jun 02 12:42:17 swisstomcat: "the" forum? Jun 02 12:42:23 well Jun 02 12:42:27 developer.palm.com Jun 02 12:42:47 they have a place for bug reports there Jun 02 12:42:58 if it's related Jun 02 12:54:02 * nt4cats is going to get breakfast, bbl Jun 02 14:40:04 anyone out there for a quick palm / linux question Jun 02 14:40:41 I know that powerd's console logging of sleep / wakeup messages can be suppressed from broadcast, but how is that done? Jun 02 14:44:40 do you want them completely supressed or just not visible when looking through the log? Jun 02 14:50:25 suppressed from the console. visable through the log Jun 02 14:51:02 sorry Jun 02 14:57:11 i believe there is a patch for that Jun 02 14:57:21 but i'm not entirely sure how it works Jun 02 14:57:28 you can check the source of it, though Jun 02 15:00:13 crap -- I have to take my laptop apart. I just droped a bagel and cream cheese on it and there is creamcheese squished down into the innards. hopefully I'll be back soon :) Jun 02 15:00:42 thanks ! Jun 02 15:21:35 huh Jun 02 15:21:43 my camera has completely borked Jun 02 15:21:48 not the hardware Jun 02 15:23:12 looks like I'll have to get rid of the uberkernel and see if that fixes things Jun 02 15:31:27 yep, default kernel fixed it. hmph Jun 02 15:50:44 I'm pretty sure I updated uber-kernel rather than removing and installing last time, but I'm not 100% sure so is it OTA safe? Jun 02 15:54:14 I'm sure I could read p|c but I'm at work ATM Jun 02 16:44:39 This is what my laptop looked like 15 minutes ago: http://i46.tinypic.com/33o045e.jpg Jun 02 16:45:14 fun little project Jun 02 16:56:20 nt4cats, the flowers and the soda just complete the picture. Jun 02 16:57:32 I've colonized the dining room table at home. The centerpiece (with the flowers) was here before me ... but the laptop, soda, mints, etc. are all mine. Jun 02 16:57:48 lol Jun 02 16:57:55 nt4cats, you wife must LOVE you. Jun 02 16:58:32 if by "love" you mean "want to murder in a way that will go undetected so that the life insurance policy pays out", you're right Jun 02 16:58:46 lol! Jun 02 16:58:46 ha Jun 02 17:00:09 I was doing e-mail and eating a late breakfast (you can see the edge of a bagel at the top of the photo) -- when I dropped the cream-cheese-laden bagel cheese-down onto the laptop. The chream cheese squished into the speaker grille, and I had to completely disassemble the laptop in order to clean it Jun 02 17:00:36 ha Jun 02 17:00:48 ohh\n Jun 02 17:01:05 vkb is onstalled\n Jun 02 17:01:20 halhhalo_pre: really?\n Jun 02 17:02:11 si\n Jun 02 17:02:17 nt4cats, well...thats better than syrup! Jun 02 17:03:30 I reallyneed to doctor Jun 02 19:05:17 got a replacement phone... pretty sure my old one will power up... any advice on copying everything over? Jun 02 19:05:30 I was just going to rsync my /media/internal dir to the local linux box and then rsync it to the new phone... Jun 02 19:05:34 is that a mistake? Jun 02 19:05:40 might be Jun 02 19:05:46 is there a way to get into the messaging app remotely and read my texts over ssh? lol Jun 02 19:05:52 maybe try save/restore and pre backup utility Jun 02 19:05:53 sk1tt1sh: yes Jun 02 19:05:56 how Jun 02 19:06:05 HattCzech_work: yeah, that's part of what I want to restore Jun 02 19:06:14 HattCzech_work: my save/restore files are all on the old phone Jun 02 19:06:25 sk1tt1sh: see the website for examples of getting there with sqlite Jun 02 19:06:36 sk1tt1sh: look for the notifier script, I froget the name Jun 02 19:06:40 oh Jun 02 19:06:48 okay i've messed with it before nvm Jun 02 19:06:52 k k Jun 02 19:07:00 haha thats prolly why it popped into my head Jun 02 19:07:16 heh Jun 02 19:12:41 if i need an app to run with a switch at late startup how would I do that? also could i somehow put the into meta doctor? Jun 02 19:41:10 how can I inhibit sleep via SSH? is SIGSTOP powerd a bad idea? Jun 02 19:42:07 luke-jr: are you just trying to get rid of the annoying messages -- or do you really want it not to go into power-save? Jun 02 19:42:33 luke-jr: where "annoying messages" == powerd noise to console/terminal Jun 02 19:44:42 annoying msgs are #1 Jun 02 19:44:49 but the sleep seems to make for bad interactive SSH too Jun 02 19:45:27 hi, i'm reading a file in pre (a photo) and doing things with that in C code (with PDL). someone know why fopen not work with a **extractfs** filepath? ?? Jun 02 19:45:44 and.... preware fail Jun 02 19:46:46 :/ Jun 02 19:46:58 stopping the msgs would be helpful, but if possible I'd like to inhibit sleep altogether Jun 02 19:50:33 ... :/ Jun 02 20:08:23 yeah Jun 02 20:08:30 is the phone charging? Jun 02 20:10:07 no idea Jun 02 20:11:54 well there is a patch to stop the sleep stdin messages. Jun 02 20:12:21 the clanch 69er Jun 02 20:12:22 nothing apps can use to just temporarily inhibit it? Jun 02 20:13:15 that will inhibit SSH connection over WiFi to be choked? Jun 02 20:13:36 inhibit sleep Jun 02 20:13:52 there is an application that does that Jun 02 20:14:17 there are different ways to do this. Jun 02 20:14:42 Does one involve a windowless van, late at night, and oranges? Jun 02 20:14:58 oc80z: I want to prevent sleep while my app is running Jun 02 20:15:30 luke-jr do you need the code? Jun 02 20:15:38 ? Jun 02 20:15:52 don't need an example, no Jun 02 20:15:55 just an API for it Jun 02 20:17:41 ok Jun 02 20:18:40 ... Jun 02 20:19:01 did you look at developer.palm.com? Jun 02 20:22:08 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.4.5/ Jun 02 20:22:48 403 forbidden Jun 02 20:22:56 yup Jun 02 20:26:58 so Jun 02 20:27:02 get this cat his api or w/e Jun 02 20:30:30 I can never tell when *>>*SYNERGY*<<* is going to add my account to every app on the phone and when it's going to add it to just that one app Jun 02 20:30:37 sya invariably it gets my preference on that ass backwards Jun 02 20:30:43 I wish there were an account management app Jun 02 20:31:07 night everyone Jun 02 20:43:12 ... Jun 02 22:42:39 Yo. Jun 02 22:44:23 pie Jun 02 23:31:21 CRAP. http://www.precentral.net/hp-ceo-we-didnt-buy-pal-mto-be-smartphone-business Jun 02 23:37:55 Hmm Jun 02 23:38:02 I think people are reading into that too much Jun 02 23:38:14 Hasn't HP also said they expected to keep Palm's existing roadmap? Jun 02 23:40:13 chrisa: I have a feeling he's saying that HP wants webOS for ONE thing at this point and its tablets and printers. They could care less about smartphones and Palm for the most part. Jun 02 23:40:47 Does HP want Palm to go away? No. But they are NOT putting firepower behind smartphones and thats troubling. THAT is what Palm needs. Firepower. Money. Jun 02 23:41:29 not just more mountain dew and doritos ? Jun 02 23:41:30 :( Jun 02 23:41:37 I don't like mountain dew Jun 02 23:41:44 and doritos I can only eat so many of Jun 02 23:42:03 you sound like a cheap developer .. are you looking for a job? :) Jun 02 23:42:19 lol Jun 02 23:42:23 lol Jun 02 23:42:35 Not sure, you'll have to ask HP Jun 02 23:42:55 they can probably offer a couple more benefits than i ever could Jun 02 23:43:07 what are benefits? Jun 02 23:43:31 well, we start with a couple drinks .. we talk a little bit .. then, we see where the night leads us Jun 02 23:43:39 A secure position in getting webOS onto hair straightners for women. Jun 02 23:43:42 this sounds more like date rape Jun 02 23:43:51 chrisa: i was thinking the same thing Jun 02 23:43:54 No, thats the second interview Jun 02 23:43:59 bad, bpadalino, bad! Jun 02 23:44:20 i think it's more fun to slip the roofies in my own drink! Jun 02 23:44:25 lol Jun 02 23:44:25 then i can be more creative with what happened Jun 02 23:44:48 roofies get you Android. Bad idea. Jun 02 23:44:55 haha Jun 02 23:45:13 Android isn't a bad platform Jun 02 23:45:30 I like Google, not a fan of Android too much. Jun 02 23:45:32 i'm off for now, talk to y'all later Jun 02 23:45:51 webos' multitasking just works so much nicer :( Jun 02 23:46:18 We do some things better, so do they Jun 02 23:46:39 agreed, what do you think of the talk about android fragmentation ? Jun 02 23:46:58 I'm in the camp who think people arguing it don't really understand what fragmentation is Jun 02 23:47:19 chrisa: What do you think Android can do thats better than webOS? Just curious. Jun 02 23:47:45 (no, Im not a fanboy....Ive got big gadget love for all) Jun 02 23:47:50 Is one of them... be on all 4 major us carriers? Jun 02 23:47:51 interesting .. i'm in the camp, as a consumer, that my phone that is fully capable and new, won't get updates 6 months out of the gate Jun 02 23:48:06 They have a smaller memory footprint, faster boot time (both partly related to us not rewriting init), more apis exposed at the time Jun 02 23:48:33 bpadalino: well that's the thing, the "google experience" phones receive updates fine, it's the vendors doing their own UI layers that cause the problem Jun 02 23:48:37 and I can't fault android for that Jun 02 23:48:52 chrisa: well, my friend has an ADP1 which won't get Froyo .. Jun 02 23:49:20 Phones that get end of life for os updates are the norm, not the exception Jun 02 23:49:32 he got it about 1.5 years ago .. Jun 02 23:49:35 We're just committed to our releases working on all devices, but we have a smaller count too Jun 02 23:49:41 what should the lifespan of support be ? Jun 02 23:49:52 Who knows, maybe next year something won't work on a sprint castle due to some dire change (unlikely, but who knows?) Jun 02 23:49:55 if i sign up for a 24 month contract, i'd hope i get 24 months of support Jun 02 23:50:02 Then you could say we're fragmented Jun 02 23:50:10 *sprint pre Jun 02 23:50:30 if my sprint pre doesn't work on the network while i am still in a contract, yeah - i'd think that's bunk Jun 02 23:50:36 Android released a lot of releases quickly to get to a stable state which they're now more or less at Jun 02 23:50:41 It should be a more stable ecosystem now Jun 02 23:51:04 Remember, the Google isn't the one deciding these things Jun 02 23:51:06 i am not sure that changes HTC's stance .. probably more of a "release and forget" Jun 02 23:51:11 Android as a platform isn't to blame Jun 02 23:51:22 You want to be shaking your fist at Motorola / HTC Jun 02 23:51:36 the one thing i thought Palm had going for it is the similar Apple effect where they do both the software and hardware Jun 02 23:51:49 chrisa, agreed - it isn't android or google .. but it's who google is in bed with Jun 02 23:51:56 We do, once you get past the first gen hardware we released ;p Jun 02 23:51:57 Apple has been supporting the first iPhone for THREE years now. Its just now not going to receive an update. There are Android phones out there already 18 months in and wont get jack. Jun 02 23:51:57 so i can't quite just get upset at one and not the other Jun 02 23:53:29 I'm not sure how long something should be supported. Now that devices are all hitting a bare minimum of 800-1000 mhz they'll probably last longer Jun 02 23:53:47 I think RAM is a bigger deal than CPU. Jun 02 23:53:50 i think the android team has done a pretty great job getting java to be really responsive and run in a very small memory footprint .. and have things generally be seamless for users with regards to killing and spawning new processes for memory footprints Jun 02 23:53:53 But I'd expect a contract term of support makes sense, except in Europe/Canada contracts are longer than 2 years Jun 02 23:54:02 BeeRad: depends on the device, but generally yes Jun 02 23:54:07 But by cpu I'm referring to the entire SoC Jun 02 23:54:15 chrisa, how do you like the omap4 ? Jun 02 23:54:17 Gotcha. Jun 02 23:54:24 I don't work with the omap much Jun 02 23:54:28 Pretty much entirely msm stuff Jun 02 23:54:30 oh interesting Jun 02 23:55:02 Can the 3430 be pushed to 1ghz on the Pre or not? The Droid does. (pun intended) Jun 02 23:55:36 You can already push a pre to 800+ if you bother Jun 02 23:56:20 For mere common folk like me? In Govnah? Its locked to 800 max right? Jun 03 00:00:21 i wonder who will be first to market with a dual core a9 phone with the battery time to match Jun 03 00:26:25 * halfhalo is building an irc framework in node.js Jun 03 00:26:46 does node.js work with any current browsers ? Jun 03 00:27:08 no idea Jun 03 00:27:47 should work fine Jun 03 00:28:05 with ff and chrome Jun 03 00:28:39 well, 20 bucks says I find a way to kick me off irc doing this Jun 03 00:30:00 it would help if I actually had tools to compile it installed... Jun 03 00:33:42 oh god Jun 03 00:33:49 I have to have xcode for macports? Jun 03 00:34:25 just the dev tools installed i thought Jun 03 00:34:50 uggg Jun 03 00:35:01 Downloading at a BLAZING fast 200kb.s Jun 03 00:36:03 down to 170... Jun 03 00:36:26 god, 2 hours.... Jun 03 00:42:24 and… apache is spawning millions of threads Jun 03 00:42:26 how nice Jun 03 00:50:09 dude. just run a linux vmware instance Jun 03 00:50:34 the mac doesn't like vm's Jun 03 00:50:39 it makes it sloooooow Jun 03 00:53:58 the droid does Jun 03 00:54:05 HAH I get it Jun 03 00:55:58 news from hp sucks Jun 03 00:56:27 Much to early for you to assume it means Palm is dropping phones Jun 03 00:56:30 *too Jun 03 00:56:52 yes i know but still Jun 03 00:56:56 news r news Jun 03 00:57:02 "We didn’t buy Palm to be in the smartphone business. And I tell people that, but it doesn’t seem to resonate well. We bought it for the IP." Jun 03 00:57:07 umm...that sucks Jun 03 00:57:18 i am still hoping for some type of acknowledgement on 6/6 for 1 year anniversary Jun 03 00:57:37 bpadalino, i bet u wont see any Jun 03 00:57:40 They didn't buy us for the smartphone business, big deal. They also didn't say they would pull us out of the smartphone business Jun 03 00:57:45 wow 1 year already Jun 03 00:57:47 They also said we're keeping our roadmap Jun 03 00:58:00 You guys freak out way more and I'm the one who actually works here Jun 03 00:58:02 en0x: yeah you're probably right .. but i can hope Jun 03 00:58:14 lol Jun 03 00:58:54 :( i won't freak out anymore :( Jun 03 00:58:58 chrisa, are you a big fan of the webos platform over every other device ? Jun 03 00:59:13 I find it easier to use Jun 03 00:59:28 There are some things that need fixed, but that's why we're employed right? Jun 03 00:59:28 if you didn't work for palm, do you think you'd own a palm device ? Jun 03 00:59:45 Before I got a job at palm I had a SLVR still Jun 03 00:59:48 So who knows Jun 03 00:59:57 he would go with iphone :d Jun 03 01:00:10 Hmm, doubtful Jun 03 01:00:15 i think a lot of the overreaction in the channel is attributed to the fact that people here chose that platform and are sticking with it .. Jun 03 01:00:15 I haven't liked my limited use of it Jun 03 01:00:54 hence some extra idolization Jun 03 01:01:09 idolizing ? Jun 03 01:01:28 well if there were no webos i would probably go with android Jun 03 01:01:42 Being fans is fine, I'm just saying you guys tend to see the dark clouds in every announcement :) Jun 03 01:02:05 chrisa, then tell John to show us something ;d Jun 03 01:02:19 haha Jun 03 01:02:22 *Jon Jun 03 01:03:32 chrisa: the way i see it is that i'm pissed off that _a lot of people_ don't realize how great of an operating system webOS really is... Jun 03 01:03:37 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0748270/ lol hhehehe Jun 03 01:03:48 en0x: I'm still employed, so we must be doing something Jun 03 01:04:37 until the merge is completed Jun 03 01:04:51 whoa, c'mon :/ Jun 03 01:04:56 them be some dark clouds Jun 03 01:04:58 heh Jun 03 01:04:59 scandalous Jun 03 01:05:33 i don't like the line "We bought it for the IP." Jun 03 01:05:40 that seems just...wrong. Jun 03 01:06:08 nebula, go and kick the hp ceo in balls just for that Jun 03 01:06:14 i should... Jun 03 01:06:30 you just don't say shit like that Jun 03 01:06:54 the other company wanted to buy palm just for IP too Jun 03 01:07:02 and they were offering 800mln Jun 03 01:07:12 which is why i'm mad, because i thought that's why "the other" didn't win Jun 03 01:07:20 apparently i was wrong :( Jun 03 01:07:44 but dont the IP expire after some time? Jun 03 01:08:16 depends if it's patents or just internal copyrighted material Jun 03 01:08:44 HP also inherits a pretty talented engineering team Jun 03 01:10:17 i see Jun 03 01:30:17 in terms of how quickly the cell phone industry moves, IP stays around forever Jun 03 01:37:09 true that Jun 03 01:37:31 just look at the qualcom/nokia cdma hubbub from the 90s Jun 03 01:39:22 don't need to look that far - mp3 is still around Jun 03 01:39:28 & that stuff is ancient Jun 03 01:39:57 beelzabub: hey beelz, long time Jun 03 01:40:05 yeah - busy working these days Jun 03 01:40:07 :) Jun 03 01:40:13 that's a good thing :) Jun 03 01:40:15 lies Jun 03 01:40:37 crap Jun 03 01:40:43 en0x said something ridiculous and i didn't ban him Jun 03 01:40:53 has it been too long? is there like a 5 minute rule for this sort of thing? Jun 03 01:41:01 stfu Jun 03 01:41:01 10, actually Jun 03 01:41:14 oh, crap it's been like 40 :/ Jun 03 01:41:19 en0x: next time you're mine Jun 03 01:41:28 hahahaha Jun 03 01:42:07 nah Jun 03 01:42:29 chrisa: you say you had a SLVR? Jun 03 01:42:39 Yeah, that weird moto wannabe itunes phone Jun 03 01:42:49 Coworker had a new boxed one he sold me for $10 years ago Jun 03 01:43:00 nice price Jun 03 01:43:09 slvr was a /ridiculous/ phone Jun 03 01:43:14 up there with the sanyo 6200 lol Jun 03 01:43:18 i switched from a samsung a900 to the pre Jun 03 01:43:25 i remember my nokia 6120 Jun 03 01:43:32 It was not a very good phone from a non-phone perspective Jun 03 01:43:32 best. phone. evar. Jun 03 01:43:34 But it made calls Jun 03 01:43:45 I went to an a950 to a vx10000 to a pre Jun 03 01:43:48 I remember my lg 365, another unique form factor which was never repeated, i wonder why :p Jun 03 01:43:53 i felt bad for people with upstages haha Jun 03 01:59:29 after a reinstall (this time on a new phone), my middle tab -- always full on a typical day -- ends up missing two apps Jun 03 01:59:34 WHAT ARE THE MISSING APPS??? Jun 03 01:59:49 those two you dont have? Jun 03 01:59:53 yeah, for sure Jun 03 02:00:06 I'll end up putting two things there that seem important and they won't seem quite right Jun 03 02:00:17 4 months later, I'll reinstall and winde up with two open slots on the tab again Jun 03 02:00:20 repeat Jun 03 02:00:31 lol Jun 03 02:06:46 do they respond to taps? Jun 03 02:07:04 Thats what she said Jun 03 02:07:32 halfhalo: 3/10 Jun 03 02:07:43 nah, that was a 2 Jun 03 02:08:12 that's what she said Jun 03 02:08:27 5/10 Jun 03 02:08:38 yay - mine's bigger Jun 03 02:08:48 thats what she said Jun 03 02:09:09 are you seeing a transvestite? Jun 03 02:09:50 no, I was talking about cars…. :p Jun 03 02:10:08 * halfhalo makes fail save Jun 03 02:10:47 playing with node.js Jun 03 02:10:49 i am embarrassed for you both Jun 03 02:10:50 tis fun Jun 03 02:11:16 i've got nothing better to do right now than work Jun 03 02:11:24 i'm embarassed for myself Jun 03 02:11:31 at… 7? Jun 03 02:11:34 jeese Jun 03 02:11:46 beelzabub: whatcha working on? Jun 03 02:11:53 stuff Jun 03 02:11:57 cool Jun 03 02:12:05 i guess Jun 03 02:12:08 I tried working on stuff before Jun 03 02:12:10 oh, then uncool :( Jun 03 02:12:14 didn't end up well Jun 03 02:12:28 i find working shit tends to be more satisfying Jun 03 02:12:49 generally Jun 03 02:12:49 *on Jun 03 02:12:54 dammit Jun 03 02:13:06 Cant wait till the 15th Jun 03 02:13:17 what happens on the 15th? Jun 03 02:13:17 i think at this point might be a good time to reiterate my statements are my own :) Jun 03 02:13:22 E3 Jun 03 02:13:22 e3? Jun 03 02:13:24 oh ok Jun 03 02:13:30 yup Jun 03 02:13:32 beelzabub: the ones about you working on stuff? Jun 03 02:13:33 how's project natal doing? Jun 03 02:13:40 waiting for an email back from valve Jun 03 02:13:41 beelzabub: i don't think you guys are showing at e3? lol maybe Jun 03 02:13:44 anyone played with it? Jun 03 02:13:53 sicne they canceled their press conference Jun 03 02:13:58 i dunno anything about e3 Jun 03 02:14:02 Nah, no natal yet. Cant wait for that Jun 03 02:14:22 Move is more interesting to me than natal Jun 03 02:14:25 we'll see - it's about the only division of microsoft that appears to be able to ship a cool project Jun 03 02:14:30 is that sony's? Jun 03 02:14:32 Move is like natal that is usable :> Jun 03 02:14:33 yeah Jun 03 02:14:38 you really can't play FPS's with natal Jun 03 02:14:51 I mean Natal is awesome, but it's like Nintendo awesome, not MS awesome Jun 03 02:14:58 Problem is theres no room in my room for move Jun 03 02:14:59 Honestly I'm /really/ excited about the 3DS Jun 03 02:15:27 I use my DS more than my 360 and Wii combined, and probably as much as my ps3 Jun 03 02:15:40 unless you count netflix time, then I use my 360 an awful lot Jun 03 02:15:56 I never use my ps3, my brother steals the 360 all the time, and I never use my ds or psp Jun 03 02:15:59 pc all the way Jun 03 02:16:06 hahaha pc has games? Jun 03 02:16:06 even with the overheating video card Jun 03 02:16:09 SC2 is exciting Jun 03 02:16:13 ehh Jun 03 02:16:26 I have to say the pc version of conviction wasn't half bad Jun 03 02:16:29 I like how you can get 13.3" laptops with 1Gb dedicated video cards in them. I like missed a whole generation. Jun 03 02:16:52 Now I just need to figure out how well all that D3D crap etc works in vbox, and if I'll actually have to dual boot or not Jun 03 02:16:56 * zsoc hasn't used windows in so long Jun 03 02:16:57 I will admit the alienware 11x is damn sweet Jun 03 02:17:17 * zsoc is curious about SC2 on linux Jun 03 02:17:38 steam on linux is win Jun 03 02:18:03 I mean.. steam on linux will be win... Jun 03 02:18:17 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Jun 03 02:18:25 * halfhalo runs away Jun 03 02:18:55 ? Jun 03 02:49:59 gah Jun 03 02:50:02 why isn't this working Jun 03 02:51:51 halfhalo, you aren't licking it right. Jun 03 02:52:38 I mean, it SHOULD be working..... Jun 03 02:52:39 I think Jun 03 02:52:41 .... Jun 03 02:54:00 god, the issue with this is I can't tell if its actually connecting ornot **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 03 02:59:57 2010