**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 09 02:59:57 2010
Jun 09 03:00:09 <halfhalo> considering 5 minutes ago I didn't know the pre supported this type of connection, I'm freaking happy
Jun 09 03:00:23 <projectAlarum> Lol what are you using?
Jun 09 03:01:15 <halfhalo> The connection I'm using from browser to irc client/server is a websockets push, but apparently it falls back to long polling
Jun 09 03:02:05 <projectAlarum> Hmmm that'd make sense
Jun 09 03:06:18 <dtzWill> rwhitby: looks good
Jun 09 03:08:12 <dtzWill> rwhitby: wonder if there's a similarly simple trick for parellelizing the build
Jun 09 03:08:51 <dtzWill> i can't be the only one who has a multicore machine that would like to use it :)
Jun 09 03:10:50 <rwhitby> dtzWill: yeah, we need someone who knows about parallel make to look at this stuff
Jun 09 03:20:29 <ka6sox> dtzWill, we gosts up to 8 cores :D
Jun 09 03:20:29 <ka6sox> s/gost/gots
Jun 09 03:26:16 <Technobabble> hey guys, i was just runnin through the rsync backup process and everything went well, then i went to do the restore and it gives me an error about the module being unknown
Jun 09 03:26:24 <Technobabble> @ERROR: Unknown module 'pre-backup'
Jun 09 03:26:26 <Technobabble> every line was copied and pasted, i didn't skip any steps
Jun 09 03:26:34 <Technobabble> anyone familiar with that error message?
Jun 09 04:10:06 <nodejs-720> wahahahahaha
Jun 09 04:10:37 <projectAlarum> Lol do you feel that way all over or just in spots?
Jun 09 04:12:51 <halfhalo> ...
Jun 09 04:13:06 <halfhalo> apparently the function I have to change room focus ain't working
Jun 09 04:16:05 <projectAlarum> Hmmm I can change between em by tapping their link, and it does switch which content is visible...
Jun 09 04:16:16 <halfhalo> thats different
Jun 09 04:16:37 <projectAlarum> Figures, wasn't sure
Jun 09 04:16:45 <halfhalo> I have a function that switches the focus server side that directs where your message goes
Jun 09 04:16:56 <projectAlarum> Gotcha
Jun 09 06:13:00 <swisstomcat> morning
Jun 09 06:13:05 <halfhalo> murnin
Jun 09 06:13:21 <swisstomcat> how's the pixi doing, ka6sox?
Jun 09 06:14:03 <halfhalo> I may be picking up a att pixi to replace the devday plus since my parents vzw phone is dying
Jun 09 06:15:20 <halfhalo> oh, and check this out in chrome/safari 5: http://silentsight.homelinux.org/client.html#
Jun 09 06:15:33 <halfhalo> Building the mobile version soon
Jun 09 06:15:38 <halfhalo> and with that, bbl sleeps
Jun 09 06:23:21 <ka6sox> swisstomcat, unfortunately RL has keep me quite busy...and I'm working on other projects for the group right now so I can't play with it.
Jun 09 06:47:34 <swisstomcat> wohoo
Jun 09 06:47:42 <swisstomcat> good job, halfhalo
Jun 09 07:23:38 <eieio> yanw
Jun 09 07:23:45 <eieio> yawn, even
Jun 09 07:26:03 <swisstomcat> hmm
Jun 09 07:37:10 <ka6sox> eieio, I concur
Jun 09 07:38:08 <eieio> ;)
Jun 09 07:40:52 <ka6sox> bleary eyed from looking at VHDL 4 19hrs
Jun 09 07:41:17 <eieio> sucks
Jun 09 07:41:46 <eieio> i never liked vhdl
Jun 09 07:41:58 <eieio> it's sort of the fortran of hdl
Jun 09 07:42:14 <ka6sox> oh I love it...(for what I'm doing) but I've had too many problems with Verilog.
Jun 09 07:42:48 <ka6sox> eieio, ya, it really is! (format statements and all :P)
Jun 09 07:43:19 <ka6sox> well..there aren't format statements but you know.
Jun 09 07:45:09 <ka6sox> I threw out the last of my fortran punch cards like 5yrs ago.
Jun 09 07:45:50 <eieio> heh
Jun 09 07:46:17 <ka6sox> and 15yrs ago I got rid of the cobol ones..
Jun 09 07:46:28 <eieio> i always liked verilog, but i've used vhdl as well
Jun 09 07:46:40 <eieio> ugh, cobol
Jun 09 07:46:44 <ka6sox> its just not well supported by xilinx
Jun 09 07:52:01 <ka6sox> fixed the bus arbiter, found a typo in the DMAC and now trying to replace a Dual-Port RAM that I can't get any more.
Jun 09 08:15:56 <ka6sox> 504kbits of block ram ought to be enough :P
Jun 09 08:16:00 <rwhitby> ka6sox: I've been staring at SystemC and Python :)
Jun 09 08:16:15 <ka6sox> ugh...
Jun 09 08:16:38 <rwhitby> But I had a minor success today, so I'm happy :)
Jun 09 08:17:08 <ka6sox> I had 2 sucesses but this last one is kicking me...
Jun 09 08:17:54 <ka6sox> might have to roll back the FIFO and cut a buffer out of the DMA Controller.
Jun 09 08:19:03 <ka6sox> one bus is 921.5khz and the other side is 100mhz...
Jun 09 08:21:06 <swisstomcat> that sounds like fun
Jun 09 08:21:38 <ka6sox> swisstomcat, I was trying NOT to have to implement the Dual Port ram.
Jun 09 08:28:49 <ka6sox> I give up...can't make this compiler use the block ram for the DP ram and the distributed stuff for the registers :P
Jun 09 09:15:29 <rwhitby> PDK Hot Apps: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2085
Jun 09 09:15:33 <rwhitby> *PDK* Hot Apps
Jun 09 09:16:07 <swisstomcat> yeah, just saw that
Jun 09 09:16:16 <swisstomcat> and you can win "$1,000 in store credit at hp.com OR an HP ENVY 17"
Jun 09 09:16:35 <swisstomcat> or $25000 or $10000
Jun 09 09:17:53 <swisstomcat> so there is some interest at HP as they are spending $1 Million
Jun 09 09:21:58 <ka6sox> well..they spend $1.2bn so whats another Mil?
Jun 09 09:22:56 <swisstomcat> heh
Jun 09 09:23:04 <swisstomcat> also the developer profiles are nice
Jun 09 10:15:05 <warpdesign_> hi
Jun 09 10:17:34 <warpdesign_> I'd like to know the status of the scummvm webos port
Jun 09 10:17:43 <warpdesign_> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:ScummVM
Jun 09 10:17:48 <warpdesign_> the status is empty there
Jun 09 10:17:52 <warpdesign_> has it been released ?
Jun 09 10:18:00 <warpdesign_> is it still being updated, etc..
Jun 09 10:19:44 <ka6sox> warpdesign_, middle of the night for 85% of the devs...so hang around for an answer.
Jun 09 10:37:50 <rwhitby> warpdesign_: there is a thread on PreCentral for it
Jun 09 12:27:01 <warpdesign_> ka6sox: ok
Jun 09 12:54:53 <nt4cats> blarg
Jun 09 12:55:33 <swisstomcat> meow
Jun 09 13:02:05 <en0x> nom nom nom
Jun 09 15:09:21 <unsigned> does anyone have 1.0.3. memory ranges handy?
Jun 09 15:10:42 <swisstomcat> hmm?
Jun 09 15:15:26 <unsigned> readable memory areas
Jun 09 15:15:28 <unsigned> :-/
Jun 09 15:15:44 <unsigned> it takes hours to scan them
Jun 09 15:15:56 <unsigned> QQ
Jun 09 15:38:00 <sk1tt1sh> hello everyon
Jun 09 15:40:30 <sk1tt1sh> so i built an ipk to place some files. put it in the sprint.tar in the webosdoctor.jar and then ran it through meta-doctor installed it and all the files I put failed the rom verifyer
Jun 09 15:40:37 <sk1tt1sh> I put md5 sums for everything??
Jun 09 16:17:45 <bsiegel> I swear I must be the only person using Govnah + stock kernel >.>
Jun 09 16:17:53 <bsiegel> But hey, it works :)
Jun 09 16:18:55 <bsiegel> The extra 100 MHz makes a very noticeable difference
Jun 09 16:23:21 <sk1tt1sh> anyone know why im having a linux unexpected operator on | if [ "`uname -s`" == "Darwin" ] ; then tar=gnutar fi | it says unexpected operator on the closing fi
Jun 09 16:29:00 <bsiegel> missing the semicolon before 'fi' ?
Jun 09 16:39:45 <sk1tt1sh> ?
Jun 09 16:40:03 <sk1tt1sh> its the ipkg-build script from http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=tree;f=toolchain/ipkg-utils;h=286bb1893c87f11561af6229905ad80827a2b5e0;hb=HEAD
Jun 09 16:40:50 <sk1tt1sh> put a semicolon in there and still same error
Jun 09 16:42:19 <bsiegel> hm, very odd. It's worked alright for me so far
Jun 09 16:44:29 <sk1tt1sh> haha i removed that test
Jun 09 16:44:33 <sk1tt1sh> no errors
Jun 09 16:44:41 <sk1tt1sh> is it mandatory to add md5sums?
Jun 09 16:44:51 <sk1tt1sh> or can you point me to a readme about it?
Jun 09 17:41:46 <dtzWill_wirc> hello? :)
Jun 09 17:41:52 <sk1tt1sh> sup!
Jun 09 17:41:55 <dtzWill> dtzWill_wirc: welcome :D
Jun 09 17:42:09 <dtzWill_wirc> sk1tt1sh: ty :D
Jun 09 17:42:12 <sk1tt1sh> so many idlers in this channel :
Jun 09 17:42:27 <sk1tt1sh> i need help with that ipkg-build thing lol
Jun 09 17:44:28 <dtzWill> sk1tt1sh: i'd help if i knew anything about it :)
Jun 09 17:51:47 <sk1tt1sh> thanks :)
Jun 09 18:02:52 <sk1tt1sh> GRRRRRRR! WTF AM I DOING WRONG!:?!?!??!
Jun 09 18:03:03 <glorifiedg> Hi guys! I'm trying to make a personal feed in my home server to use in preware. Sadly, i'm not having much success unfortunatly. Is there any way to auto-create a rep within windows? (perhaps with cygwin)
Jun 09 18:27:11 <sk1tt1sh> Is anywhere here good with the ipkg-build sh!t? Im really getting frustrated
Jun 09 18:28:31 <sk1tt1sh> Is anyone* lol
Jun 09 18:32:11 <sk1tt1sh> I'm making an ipk and putting it in sprint.tar and then re-adding it to webosdoctor.jar and its failing rom verification during install
Jun 09 18:32:53 <sk1tt1sh> I think there is a problem with my ipk but I have noooo idea how to fix it
Jun 09 18:33:26 <sk1tt1sh> i've got md5sums in the CONTROL folder and I've got a control files
Jun 09 18:33:51 <bpadalino|work> keep trying, you'll figure it out
Jun 09 18:34:06 <sk1tt1sh> i'm using ubuntu
Jun 09 18:34:43 <bpadalino|work> ubuntu is fun
Jun 09 18:35:07 <sk1tt1sh> am i doing something wrong with ipkg-build?
Jun 09 18:35:13 <dtzWill> sk1tt1sh: I agree with bpadalino. unless someone speaks up otherwise, it looks like you're the resident expert on what you're doing :)
Jun 09 18:35:59 <sk1tt1sh> lol
Jun 09 18:36:02 <bpadalino|work> dtzWill++
Jun 09 18:36:14 <sk1tt1sh> can I have a + next to my name? :P
Jun 09 18:37:12 <bpadalino|work> it's overrated
Jun 09 18:37:16 <dtzWill>  /nick +sk1tt1sh
Jun 09 18:37:18 <dtzWill> :P
Jun 09 18:37:50 <sk1tt1sh> hahahaha
Jun 09 18:38:46 <sk1tt1sh> you know that that kind of thing was anticipated when they made the nickserv
Jun 09 18:40:55 <dtzWill> oh and tell us what you did wrong when you figure it out, if you would :D
Jun 09 18:41:11 * dtzWill wants metadoctor to ship with preware, for crying out loud :)
Jun 09 18:43:17 <sk1tt1sh> lol
Jun 09 18:43:34 <sk1tt1sh> Yea if I figure it out you mean :(
Jun 09 18:46:27 <sk1tt1sh> hey
Jun 09 18:46:52 <sk1tt1sh> is there a way to install the files from the http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=tree;f=toolchain/ipkg-utils;h=286bb1893c87f11561af6229905ad80827a2b5e0;hb=HEAD so i don't have to type sh and python to make them doit
Jun 09 18:48:41 <dtzWill> sk1tt1sh: ?
Jun 09 18:49:06 <dtzWill> the ipkg* files are executable, you should be able to invoke them directly
Jun 09 18:49:31 <thalunil> sk1tt1sh, just open terminal, run "ipkg"
Jun 09 18:49:41 <dtzWill> the *py files are not, but if you made them so (chmod +x), and added something to the tune of #!/bin/env python, then you can run those .... oh
Jun 09 18:49:58 <dtzWill> err sk1tt1sh not sure what you're asking but maybe this we can help you with :)
Jun 09 18:50:37 <halfhalo_class> I epicly forgot that I had sudo on this work vm
Jun 09 18:50:42 <sk1tt1sh> lol
Jun 09 18:51:27 <halfhalo_class> Only reason I remember is because someone went and [INSERT EXCRIMENT RELATED WORD] on the rails install yesterday breaking everathang
Jun 09 18:51:28 <sk1tt1sh> so i downloaded them and put em in usr/bin but it doesn't just kick off ipkg-build when i type it i have to type sh /usr/bin/ipkg-build
Jun 09 18:51:59 <thalunil> so your PATH is borked, it seems
Jun 09 18:52:15 <halfhalo_class> My PATH involves a mini fridge full of coke
Jun 09 18:53:28 <sk1tt1sh> how do i fix it?
Jun 09 18:55:46 <halfhalo_class> *facepalm*
Jun 09 18:56:11 <dtzWill> sk1tt1sh: depends on your shell. something like PATH=$PATH:/usr/bin; export PATH
Jun 09 18:56:16 <halfhalo_class> every freaking gem is gone
Jun 09 18:56:25 <dtzWill> sk1tt1sh: but honestly i'd be super surprised if you managed to get /usr/bin to not be in your path
Jun 09 18:56:41 * halfhalo_class has done that before
Jun 09 18:56:49 <dtzWill> (without knowing how to set it in the first place)
Jun 09 18:56:58 <halfhalo_class> semantics
Jun 09 18:57:00 <dtzWill> halfhalo_class: right but you were probably doing something you shouldn't've or made a mistake/typo :D
Jun 09 18:57:16 <sk1tt1sh> hrm
Jun 09 18:57:19 <dtzWill> sk1tt1sh: try 'echo $PATH' and see if /usr/bin is in there
Jun 09 18:57:23 <sk1tt1sh> im sorry
Jun 09 18:57:34 <dtzWill> sk1tt1sh: also check if those files are executable, via ls -l /usr/bin/ipkg-build, etc
Jun 09 18:57:40 <dtzWill> sk1tt1sh: sorry? :)
Jun 09 18:57:46 <sk1tt1sh> haha it's in there
Jun 09 18:58:03 <dtzWill> sk1tt1sh: /usr/bin is in your path? are the files actually executable?
Jun 09 18:59:01 <sk1tt1sh> oooh ok i think i figured it out
Jun 09 18:59:31 <sk1tt1sh> so I had some ipkg- files in /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin
Jun 09 18:59:33 <sk1tt1sh> hahah
Jun 09 18:59:41 <sk1tt1sh> So i get a permission denied
Jun 09 18:59:49 <sk1tt1sh> and so i'd sudo it and it would say not found
Jun 09 18:59:55 <dtzWill> sk1tt1sh: sounds like you need to chmod +x the files
Jun 09 18:59:57 <sk1tt1sh> lol
Jun 09 19:00:03 <dtzWill> sk1tt1sh: if it's not execuatble you'll get permission denied
Jun 09 19:00:06 <halfhalo_class> And.... back up
Jun 09 19:00:09 <sk1tt1sh> I just cleaned em all out and did that
Jun 09 19:00:10 <halfhalo_class> WITH SSL!
Jun 09 19:00:37 <dtzWill> grumble people with unstandard build systems going and breaking my perfect build >:O
Jun 09 19:00:41 * dtzWill is reworking the widk
Jun 09 19:00:47 <halfhalo_class> Heh
Jun 09 19:00:48 <bpadalino|work> :(
Jun 09 19:00:54 * dtzWill is unhappy with the myraid of build systems that don't play nice
Jun 09 19:00:58 <halfhalo_class> good news: node is installed
Jun 09 19:02:36 <dtzWill> halfhalo_class: node? installed where?
Jun 09 19:02:47 <dtzWill> i've heard talk of it but never found out what it was :)
Jun 09 19:02:54 <halfhalo_class> node.js?
Jun 09 19:03:08 <halfhalo_class> I built it and stuck it on a vm running on eucalyptus
Jun 09 19:03:15 <dtzWill> halfhalo_class: i know exactly zero javascript files/libraries/frameworks/tools by name
Jun 09 19:03:35 <dtzWill> (unrelated: dammit firefox, i meant to google for node.js not try to go to some domain node.js)
Jun 09 19:03:39 <halfhalo_class> http://nodejs.org/
Jun 09 19:03:48 <chrisa> So the evo didn't sell as well as reported? Cute
Jun 09 19:04:22 <dtzWill> chrisa: oh? since you're posting that I assume you just saw a link. have it handy?
Jun 09 19:04:59 <chrisa> engadget
Jun 09 19:05:07 <dtzWill> chrisa: ty
Jun 09 19:05:14 <bpadalino|work> http://www.precentral.net/sprint-revises-evo-launch-sales-numbers-closer-pre-previously-stated
Jun 09 19:05:19 <bpadalino|work> whoops .. precentral link as well
Jun 09 19:05:24 <dtzWill> bpadalino|work: ty too
Jun 09 19:07:55 <halfhalo_class> soooo
Jun 09 19:08:02 <halfhalo_class> left my private key at home.....
Jun 09 19:08:06 <halfhalo_class> good times.....
Jun 09 19:09:08 * Robi_ updated http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds so it's easier to copy/paste all fields into preware
Jun 09 19:17:58 <sk1tt1sh> well I have it all working
Jun 09 19:18:15 <sk1tt1sh> but when I build my ipk it has a little curly thing on the icon
Jun 09 19:18:28 <sk1tt1sh> all other ipk's are just brown boxes?
Jun 09 19:36:24 <idontwank2know> the fact that they don't mention that the Pre sold out on the first day, thus greatly lowering the "3 day total" is a further sign they're trying to pump up the Evo numbers
Jun 09 19:36:37 <idontwank2know> Which is hardly surprising
Jun 09 19:37:00 <Shani> how do you put your device in developer mode
Jun 09 19:37:35 <bpadalino|work> do you know how universal search works ?
Jun 09 19:37:43 <Shani> no
Jun 09 19:37:51 <Shani> im trying to download preware
Jun 09 19:38:07 <bpadalino|work> if you type in webos20090606 on the keyboard while in card view ..
Jun 09 19:38:11 <bpadalino|work> you will get a little icon
Jun 09 19:38:15 <bpadalino|work> http://palmwebos.org/2009/09/22/there-are-now-two-ways-to-enter-developer-mode-in-webos/
Jun 09 19:38:58 <shani> shoot, i am trying to download preware and need to know how to put my devise in developer mode
Jun 09 19:39:03 * bpadalino|work sighs
Jun 09 19:39:08 <bpadalino|work> http://palmwebos.org/2009/09/22/there-are-now-two-ways-to-enter-developer-mode-in-webos/
Jun 09 19:39:11 <shani> sorry, i had to allow pop ups lol
Jun 09 19:39:23 <halfhalo_class> :/
Jun 09 19:39:24 <bpadalino|work> so familiar
Jun 09 19:39:30 <halfhalo_class> Why does git not like the vm
Jun 09 19:39:36 <swisstomcat> rehi
Jun 09 19:39:36 <bpadalino|work> are you sure you didn't come in here yesterday with the same exact question ?
Jun 09 19:40:25 <shani> yes i did but now i have my computer attached, the directions arent clear
Jun 09 19:41:46 <bpadalino|work> :(
Jun 09 19:41:58 <shani> so, i enter webos20090606 and then what?
Jun 09 19:42:15 <bpadalino|work> enable developer mode
Jun 09 19:42:18 <swisstomcat> yes
Jun 09 19:42:32 <swisstomcat> you'll get an icon "developer mode enabler"
Jun 09 19:42:32 <shani> am i doing this from web?
Jun 09 19:42:35 <swisstomcat> no
Jun 09 19:42:39 <bpadalino|work> shani, you need a sense of adventure
Jun 09 19:42:47 <bpadalino|work> shani, think of this like a very exciting period of your life
Jun 09 19:42:57 <bpadalino|work> exploring the innards of an amazing system
Jun 09 19:43:01 <bpadalino|work> your eyes wide with wonder
Jun 09 19:43:04 <shani> okay, teach me please?
Jun 09 19:43:12 <bpadalino|work> nono .. this is the interesting part
Jun 09 19:43:19 <bpadalino|work> you look around for "DO NOT TOUCH" signs ..
Jun 09 19:43:21 <bpadalino|work> and there aren't any
Jun 09 19:43:25 <bpadalino|work> you are free to do what you want
Jun 09 19:43:27 <shani> right
Jun 09 19:43:33 <bpadalino|work> you frantically type in webos20090606
Jun 09 19:43:36 <bpadalino|work> see the developer icon pop up
Jun 09 19:43:43 <bpadalino|work> instinctively you know to touch it
Jun 09 19:43:53 <bpadalino|work> you see an option to switch the button from OFF to ON
Jun 09 19:43:56 <bpadalino|work> and your journey begins
Jun 09 19:44:18 <sk1tt1sh> you can enter upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart to get dev mod too :)
Jun 09 19:44:21 <bpadalino|work> it's the part where you "just try things"
Jun 09 19:44:31 <sk1tt1sh> konami code > webos20090606
Jun 09 19:44:35 <shani> when i type it in it goes to google
Jun 09 19:44:40 <sk1tt1sh> thats fine
Jun 09 19:45:41 <shani> it doesn't come up with an icon :(
Jun 09 19:45:51 <swisstomcat> close all open apps
Jun 09 19:46:05 <MetaView> pack you towel...
Jun 09 19:46:14 <swisstomcat> kiss you a** goodbye
Jun 09 19:46:16 <MetaView> oh no, that's a different story
Jun 09 19:46:35 <sk1tt1sh> Don't ever go anywhere without your towel
Jun 09 19:46:43 <swisstomcat> yup
Jun 09 19:46:44 <shani> all apps are closed, and knock it off damn it
Jun 09 19:46:52 <PuffTheMagic> "dont forget to bring a towel"
Jun 09 19:47:06 <swisstomcat> start typing "web"
Jun 09 19:47:13 <swisstomcat> you'll see a screen with "search on top"
Jun 09 19:47:14 <idontwank2know> if it goes to google, you aren't typing it correctly
Jun 09 19:47:28 <swisstomcat> it will show matching contacts and programs
Jun 09 19:47:33 <swisstomcat> keep typing
Jun 09 19:47:42 <dtzWill> type it and wait? (don't hit enter?)
Jun 09 19:47:42 <swisstomcat> webos20090606
Jun 09 19:48:13 <dtzWill> hmm yeah hitting enter launches the app here :D, it was a thought
Jun 09 19:48:21 <shani> oh yay!  You didn't tell me i needed patience ha ha
Jun 09 19:48:32 <dtzWill> LOL :D
Jun 09 19:48:43 <swisstomcat> you always need patience, grasshopper
Jun 09 19:48:51 <shani> okay, let's see if i can do the rest, i may be back, thanks
Jun 09 19:49:00 <swisstomcat> it will reboot and then you're good to go
Jun 09 19:49:23 <shani> thanks so much! is preware good?  I just want a darned touch keyboard
Jun 09 19:49:41 <swisstomcat> preware is the best thing since sliced bread
Jun 09 19:50:03 <shani> sliced bread, how about jack daniels?
Jun 09 19:50:07 <shani> is it that good?
Jun 09 19:50:19 <swisstomcat> way better
Jun 09 19:50:20 <shani> cuzz sliced bread isn't good in my book ha ha
Jun 09 19:50:22 <MetaView> wll, is there a touch keyboard? I mean a usable?
Jun 09 19:50:28 <swisstomcat> sure
Jun 09 19:50:33 <shani> idk, it said there was
Jun 09 19:50:43 <MetaView> last time I checked it was damned slow
Jun 09 19:50:55 <dtzWill> does someone know offhand why we don't create our own that doesn't suck?
Jun 09 19:51:17 <dtzWill> because you know if that were easy and such palm definitely wouldn't have done it already :) >_> <_<
Jun 09 19:51:32 <shani> damn!  okay so i should download it anyway?
Jun 09 19:51:57 <shani> and how do you run web quick install?
Jun 09 19:52:11 <MetaView> you double click it, basically
Jun 09 19:52:32 <shani> i don't even see quick install
Jun 09 19:52:41 <MetaView> then you need to download it
Jun 09 19:52:51 <shani> oh, duh
Jun 09 19:54:00 <shani> am i in usb or just charge
Jun 09 19:54:16 <swisstomcat> charge
Jun 09 19:54:57 <shani> okay now quick install doesn't come up
Jun 09 19:55:18 <MetaView> you need a webos-doctor in the same folder? but I'm not sure about this
Jun 09 19:55:50 <shani> huh?
Jun 09 19:56:24 <shani> im really confused
Jun 09 19:56:57 * MetaView shakes its head and mumbles 'me too, me too'.
Jun 09 19:57:56 <shani> well how do i download it, help me kind sir
Jun 09 19:57:58 <dtzWill> shani: you need java installed to run quickinstall
Jun 09 19:58:08 <shani> on my pre
Jun 09 19:58:15 * dtzWill thought quick install could magically download doctor, maybe he was wrong
Jun 09 19:58:22 * dtzWill doesn't use it often
Jun 09 19:58:29 <dtzWill> shani: no on your computer
Jun 09 19:58:47 <shani> okay  let me look on my computer
Jun 09 20:00:00 <shani> i don't see java or quickinstall
Jun 09 20:01:38 <shani> mataview??
Jun 09 20:02:08 <MetaView> yes?
Jun 09 20:02:20 <shani> what do i do now?
Jun 09 20:02:30 <MetaView> on your computer: go to sun.com install java
Jun 09 20:02:44 <MetaView> download WOSQI (webosquickinstall)
Jun 09 20:02:54 <MetaView> and double click the icon
Jun 09 20:08:44 <shani> okay i got java
Jun 09 20:11:29 <shani> i now have quick install
Jun 09 20:11:57 <Robi_> when one saves a file from an email on the pre, where does it get saved?
Jun 09 20:12:15 <MetaView> in /media/internal
Jun 09 20:12:21 <MetaView> there is some folder
Jun 09 20:12:35 <Robi_> looking but nothing in downloads
Jun 09 20:18:10 <shani> metaview?
Jun 09 20:18:15 <shani> me lost again
Jun 09 20:19:01 <swisstomcat> doesn't work?
Jun 09 20:19:13 <MetaView> why lost?
Jun 09 20:20:25 <shani> i can't find preware
Jun 09 20:21:00 <sk1tt1sh> shani do you have the phone in dev mode?
Jun 09 20:22:08 <sk1tt1sh> I use a python script as a proxy and then use putty to connect to 127.0.0.1:8023 and it is ssh over the usb
Jun 09 20:22:40 <sk1tt1sh> I can show you how if you'd like
Jun 09 20:22:54 <sk1tt1sh> makes working on the phone cake
Jun 09 20:22:57 <swisstomcat> you can't find preware where?
Jun 09 20:23:17 <shani> yep
Jun 09 20:23:25 <shani> its in development mode
Jun 09 20:23:56 <shani> i downloaded quick install, but my computer is not recognising my palm pre i think
Jun 09 20:24:09 <sk1tt1sh> http://github.com/asedeno/novaproxy/raw/master/novaproxy.py
Jun 09 20:24:17 <Robi_> sk1tt1sh: using sshkeys or l/p?
Jun 09 20:24:31 <sk1tt1sh> go there and copy all the stuff and put it in a notepad document and save it as novaproxy.py
Jun 09 20:24:51 <sk1tt1sh> then get putty (http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html)
Jun 09 20:25:06 * dtzWill uses usbnet :)
Jun 09 20:25:21 <sk1tt1sh> that works too
Jun 09 20:25:29 <dtzWill> oh novaproxy looks kinda nifty :)
Jun 09 20:25:45 <sk1tt1sh> i've never tried it, i use novaproxy cuz it has gotten me out of some sticky issues :p
Jun 09 20:25:59 <sk1tt1sh> pretty much works if the phone is in dev mode even before luna is up
Jun 09 20:26:11 <sk1tt1sh> can get in once the startlogo starts glowing
Jun 09 20:27:47 * sk1tt1sh is trying to be helpful for a coveted +
Jun 09 20:32:14 <shani> was i supposed to be in charge mode or usb mode
Jun 09 20:32:25 <sk1tt1sh> charge
Jun 09 20:32:37 <sk1tt1sh> what os are you on btw?
Jun 09 20:32:39 <dtzWill> sk1tt1sh: ah i just use novaterm for that
Jun 09 20:32:58 <dtzWill> sk1tt1sh: shrug. sorry, didn't mean to hate on your solution, looks useful/good :)
Jun 09 20:33:05 <shani> my quick intall will not find my device
Jun 09 20:33:06 <swisstomcat> shani: usb mode is if you want to tranfer files from/to your pre
Jun 09 20:33:15 <sk1tt1sh> hahaha
Jun 09 20:33:30 <sk1tt1sh> unplug the usb and plug it back in
Jun 09 20:33:35 <shani> done
Jun 09 20:33:38 <sk1tt1sh> make sure novacom.exe is running
Jun 09 20:36:01 <shani> i don't even know, im confused as to how to get novacom.exe, i'm not a computer wiz :(
Jun 09 20:36:37 <sk1tt1sh> hehe no worries
Jun 09 20:36:51 <sk1tt1sh> maybe dtzwill will tell us how to use usbnet as im unfamiliar with that method
Jun 09 20:39:00 <dtzWill> sk1tt1sh: you have novacomd running?
Jun 09 20:39:13 <sk1tt1sh> yea
Jun 09 20:39:19 <shani> no, i have putty up, still trying to figure out what to do there
Jun 09 20:39:29 <sk1tt1sh> sec shani
Jun 09 20:39:59 <sk1tt1sh> okay so when you initially open putty put 127.0.0.1 in the hostname box
Jun 09 20:40:00 <dtzWill> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/USBnet_networking_setup for usbnet
Jun 09 20:40:07 <sk1tt1sh> then in the port box put 8023
Jun 09 20:40:13 <dtzWill> but since sk1tt1shis helping maybe try what he's saying first
Jun 09 20:40:18 <sk1tt1sh> under connection type select "RAW"
Jun 09 20:40:24 <dtzWill> i honestly completely lost track of what/why you're doing what you're doing :)
Jun 09 20:41:08 <sk1tt1sh> on the left white column click where it says "Terminal" in there there is a box labeled "Line discipline options" select "Force off" for both :)
Jun 09 20:41:15 <shani> quick install is not regognizing my devise
Jun 09 20:41:22 <sk1tt1sh> that doesn't matter
Jun 09 20:41:33 <sk1tt1sh> double click novaproxy.py that you saved
Jun 09 20:41:47 <sk1tt1sh> if notepad opens you will need to remove the .txt at the end of the name
Jun 09 20:42:06 <sk1tt1sh> do you have team viewer?
Jun 09 20:42:28 <swisstomcat> g'night everyone
Jun 09 20:42:28 <shani> i go tto the part of line discipline options and cant find that
Jun 09 20:42:33 <dtzWill> swisstomcat: 'night :)
Jun 09 20:43:30 <shani> okay found it
Jun 09 20:44:16 <shani> how was i supposed to save novaproxy?
Jun 09 20:44:29 <shani> no team viewer i don't think
Jun 09 20:45:33 <shani> okay so i did all the putty stuff but can't double click on novaproxy
Jun 09 20:46:13 <sk1tt1sh> hold ctrl and press A on your keyboard and that should highlight all the stuff on that novaproxy page
Jun 09 20:46:22 <sk1tt1sh> then right click it and select copy
Jun 09 20:46:31 <sk1tt1sh> open notepad and paste it in there
Jun 09 20:46:59 <shani> \i did that and have it all pasted
Jun 09 20:47:10 <sk1tt1sh> then save it as "novaproxy.py" and under where you name it make sure it says's all files not text documents
Jun 09 20:48:15 <shani> okay
Jun 09 20:48:29 <sk1tt1sh> now double click where u saved it
Jun 09 20:48:55 <shani> okay so now it's open
Jun 09 20:49:02 <sk1tt1sh> what do you see
Jun 09 20:49:16 <shani> the same thing i copied and pasted
Jun 09 20:49:27 <sk1tt1sh> k you saved it as a text document
Jun 09 20:49:40 <sk1tt1sh> lemme remote into your machine i'll get it started for you :)
Jun 09 20:50:25 <shani> really, will i get in trouble?  im at work
Jun 09 20:50:31 <sk1tt1sh> LOL!
Jun 09 20:50:42 <sk1tt1sh> yea i wouldn't like it if i saw it. :(
Jun 09 20:50:58 <shani> okay then forget it!  need my job
Jun 09 20:51:05 <sk1tt1sh> what's your email. I'll email you the file and some instructions
Jun 09 20:51:13 <shani> ssims@csusb.edu
Jun 09 20:51:28 <shani> thank you, sorry
Jun 09 20:51:30 <halfhalo_class> ewwwww
Jun 09 20:51:31 <halfhalo_class> csu
Jun 09 20:51:38 <shani> whatever
Jun 09 20:51:44 <sk1tt1sh> hey don't hate on the colorado!
Jun 09 20:51:56 <shani> gotta go, and i'm not in colorado
Jun 09 20:51:59 <shani> california baby
Jun 09 20:52:06 * halfhalo_class points out he is at CSUN
Jun 09 20:52:08 <shani> gotta go, thank you
Jun 09 21:13:45 <sk1tt1sh> where would i go to ask about ipkg verification during webosdoctoring?
Jun 09 21:20:03 <oc80z> wot
Jun 09 21:20:13 <oc80z> whats this C60 phone, eh?
Jun 09 21:24:21 <dtzWill> oc80z: http://www.gsmarena.com/siemens_c60-475.php
Jun 09 21:46:35 <oc80z> roger
Jun 09 21:46:55 <oc80z> dtz: u ever look @ radio priority over luna?
Jun 09 21:48:13 <oc80z> The Motorola i1 is the first Android iDEN model.
Jun 09 21:48:19 <oc80z> <<What the fuck>>
Jun 09 21:50:08 <oc80z> oh, iden only.
Jun 09 21:50:14 <oc80z> AKA, junk only.
Jun 09 21:50:36 <oc80z> i have so many south american contacts, that only use nextel.
Jun 09 21:51:05 <oc80z> only in a perfect world: webos with cdma & iden.
Jun 09 22:00:29 <oc80z> *C40 phone, jerk.
Jun 09 22:01:39 <dtzWill> oc80z: :( i was kidding but you never responded
Jun 09 22:01:41 <dtzWill> sorry
Jun 09 22:16:38 <oc80z> :P
Jun 09 22:16:47 <sk1tt1sh> WHY DOES IT FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jun 09 22:23:12 <sk1tt1sh> i know im making the ipk wrong but noone knows how to help me :(
Jun 09 22:23:41 <oc80z> i just got here.
Jun 09 22:23:56 <oc80z> ppl on the east coast are prolly on their way home from the grind
Jun 09 22:24:21 <sk1tt1sh> oc do you know anything about making ipks?
Jun 09 22:27:36 <rwhitby> sk1tt1sh: what are you trying to package up?
Jun 09 22:28:04 <sk1tt1sh> my scripts that allow me to run the phone on a prepaid carrier
Jun 09 22:28:36 <oc80z> i can do anything.
Jun 09 22:29:20 <sk1tt1sh> rwhitby: i used the ipk-build scripts on the git tooltree you sent me
Jun 09 22:29:33 <sk1tt1sh> but i really have no idea how im supposed to do it
Jun 09 22:29:39 <rwhitby> it seems you're not using the latest version from the errors you posted earlier
Jun 09 22:29:58 <sk1tt1sh> latest version of...?
Jun 09 22:31:42 <rwhitby> the ipkg-build script
Jun 09 22:32:07 <rwhitby> but oc80z can do anything, so he'll be helping you today
Jun 09 22:32:09 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 09 22:35:38 <sk1tt1sh> oc80z: I'm making an ipkg with some scripts and files that I want copied in during webosdoctoring.
Jun 09 22:35:55 <sk1tt1sh> it works and copies all the files but it fails verification
Jun 09 22:37:21 <sk1tt1sh> i've got md5sums in the control file
Jun 09 22:38:01 <oc80z> yeah
Jun 09 22:38:36 <sk1tt1sh> what i do is extract sprint.tar from the doctor and then add the ipkg then put it back in the doctor and run it through metadoctor
Jun 09 22:39:13 <oc80z> so the checksum is invalid afterwards.
Jun 09 22:39:23 <sk1tt1sh> on what?
Jun 09 22:39:37 <oc80z> on the new sprint.tar / anycarrier.jar
Jun 09 22:39:47 <sk1tt1sh> err
Jun 09 22:39:52 <sk1tt1sh> where do i change it
Jun 09 22:40:39 <oc80z> skip that question, how would johndoe go about installing this custom anycarrier image to their device?
Jun 09 22:40:55 <sk1tt1sh> just like any doctoring
Jun 09 22:41:29 <oc80z> ..well sprints checksum is preventing this
Jun 09 22:41:38 <sk1tt1sh> where?
Jun 09 22:41:56 <sk1tt1sh> like literally all i'm changing is putting this package in there
Jun 09 22:42:14 <sk1tt1sh> so I don't need to mess with the 100's of md5's in the rootfs
Jun 09 22:42:37 <oc80z> i am assuming sprint is checking on 100's of md5's
Jun 09 22:43:11 <oc80z> there must be some statically linked checksums
Jun 09 22:44:07 <sk1tt1sh> hrm
Jun 09 22:44:19 <sk1tt1sh> it's not really sprint
Jun 09 22:44:28 <oc80z> well.
Jun 09 22:44:43 <sk1tt1sh> i'm sure you're right and im missing a fricken md5
Jun 09 22:44:51 <oc80z> i think metadoctor may be somthing to look at.
Jun 09 22:45:58 <sk1tt1sh> i don't know the makefile and scripting all that well to know what he's doing a lot in there :( plus meta doesn't mess with sprint.tar :(
Jun 09 22:48:34 <oc80z> well , listen. did you get it working?
Jun 09 22:48:57 <oc80z> or does an OTA (which you are trying to prevent) damage what you are blocking..
Jun 09 22:49:28 <sk1tt1sh> i haven't had a chance to test ota on it since i'm doing the newest one
Jun 09 22:50:56 <oc80z> 1sec
Jun 09 22:52:05 <oc80z> hmm ya.
Jun 09 22:52:12 <sk1tt1sh> ?
Jun 09 22:52:47 <oc80z> i am just thinking
Jun 09 22:53:23 <oc80z> doing this, after the checksum..
Jun 09 22:53:43 <oc80z> everything checks out /// then hex/maul anything necessary. is this possible?
Jun 09 22:53:56 <sk1tt1sh> what do you mean?
Jun 09 22:55:00 <sk1tt1sh> im not great at linux/coding :(
Jun 09 22:55:42 <oc80z> well sheeeet
Jun 09 22:55:50 <oc80z> u going on alltel or metropcs?
Jun 09 22:55:51 <sk1tt1sh> hahaha
Jun 09 22:55:54 <sk1tt1sh> no
Jun 09 22:55:56 <sk1tt1sh> cricket
Jun 09 22:56:03 <oc80z> palm pre plus on sprint?
Jun 09 22:56:21 <oc80z> ah.
Jun 09 22:56:24 <sk1tt1sh> It works it just fails on webosdoctor verification. like all the files get copied and it works
Jun 09 22:56:30 <sk1tt1sh> it just doesn't wanna verify
Jun 09 22:56:41 <sk1tt1sh> i can pastebin an error log
Jun 09 22:56:46 <oc80z> do it.
Jun 09 22:57:40 <sk1tt1sh> http://pastebin.com/Gy9t18uF
Jun 09 22:57:46 <sk1tt1sh> not very useful tho
Jun 09 22:57:59 <sk1tt1sh> aside from saying it doesn't have the hash's for the file
Jun 09 23:02:06 <oc80z> well, that aside.
Jun 09 23:02:42 <oc80z> well i doubt injecting your ipkg into the image will flash sucessfully.
Jun 09 23:03:18 <oc80z> i think we should concentrate on batch scripting after the phone is flashed
Jun 09 23:03:23 <sk1tt1sh> i've seen it done successfully :|
Jun 09 23:03:49 <oc80z> yeah, ofc,. there are rooting techniques to even bypass the authentication/user creation screen.
Jun 09 23:04:14 <sk1tt1sh> ofc?
Jun 09 23:04:30 <oc80z> there are python scripts for this, of course.
Jun 09 23:05:43 <oc80z> you have seen it done?
Jun 09 23:08:01 <sk1tt1sh> yes
Jun 09 23:08:19 <sk1tt1sh> i have a rom for 1.3.5 that someone made that has ipk's in it that he made
Jun 09 23:08:53 <oc80z> ...did pre get a firmware update?
Jun 09 23:08:57 <dtzWill> sk1tt1sh: don't suppose you could ask that person how that did it? ^_^
Jun 09 23:09:08 <sk1tt1sh> nope :|
Jun 09 23:09:13 <sk1tt1sh> huh?
Jun 09 23:09:19 <sk1tt1sh> modem firmware?
Jun 09 23:10:15 <oc80z> for 1.3.5 and it updated
Jun 09 23:10:20 <oc80z> and now its not working?
Jun 09 23:10:50 <sk1tt1sh> No i decided 1.3.5 was not good enough and I wanted to see if I could update to 1.4.1.1 and I did it
Jun 09 23:11:06 <sk1tt1sh> now I wanna make an automated version cuz I break my OS all the time
Jun 09 23:11:38 <oc80z> ah, so its OK on cricket?
Jun 09 23:11:43 <oc80z> voice/data?
Jun 09 23:11:53 <sk1tt1sh> yep
Jun 09 23:11:56 <sk1tt1sh> mms too :p
Jun 09 23:11:59 <oc80z> ah word
Jun 09 23:12:11 <oc80z> OK
Jun 09 23:12:12 <oc80z> heh
Jun 09 23:13:09 <oc80z> back to square 1
Jun 09 23:13:53 <oc80z> md5s.
Jun 09 23:14:00 <sk1tt1sh> k
Jun 09 23:14:42 <oc80z> where u looking anyways
Jun 09 23:14:52 <sk1tt1sh> I've been looking through the webosdoc i have that had custom ipks in it and the only md5 file that was modd'd is the root md5sums file
Jun 09 23:14:57 <oc80z> /lib/ipkg/info/*.md5sum?
Jun 09 23:15:02 <sk1tt1sh> no
Jun 09 23:15:13 <sk1tt1sh> theres no md5's for the files that are copied in.
Jun 09 23:15:13 <oc80z> er.. /usr/ipkg?
Jun 09 23:15:53 <oc80z> ** /usr/lib/ipkg/info/com.palm.app.firstuse.md5sums
Jun 09 23:16:42 <oc80z> so yeah,
Jun 09 23:16:56 <oc80z> wheres that md5 routine stemming from?
Jun 09 23:17:12 <oc80z> during installation.
Jun 09 23:17:15 <oc80z> edit that shit
Jun 09 23:17:17 <sk1tt1sh> oooh
Jun 09 23:17:19 <sk1tt1sh> it was edited
Jun 09 23:17:23 <sk1tt1sh> haha
Jun 09 23:17:25 <sk1tt1sh> thank you
Jun 09 23:17:29 <oc80z> rip that shit out
Jun 09 23:17:32 <sk1tt1sh> i bet this fixes it. if so word
Jun 09 23:17:58 <oc80z> ...yea we'll see, i am doubting it
Jun 09 23:18:29 <oc80z> i dont know..
Jun 09 23:18:37 <sk1tt1sh> oh
Jun 09 23:18:47 <sk1tt1sh> idk it doesn't hold anything important
Jun 09 23:19:58 <oc80z> this routine here: ROM Verifyer
Jun 09 23:20:36 <sk1tt1sh> yeah i've been trying to figure out how that checks md5s too
Jun 09 23:25:53 <oc80z> um, i think it loops around each app.ipkg with its ../ipkg/info/com.palm.app.*.md5sums
Jun 09 23:26:18 <sk1tt1sh> hrm
Jun 09 23:26:31 <oc80z> (im over here @ http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx)
Jun 09 23:26:37 <oc80z> whats good? ne luck?
Jun 09 23:26:58 <sk1tt1sh> so far no checking some of the md5sum files
Jun 09 23:28:59 <bpadalino> good evening
Jun 09 23:31:36 <ka6sox-work> bpadalino, evenin
Jun 09 23:32:22 <sk1tt1sh> heya
Jun 09 23:32:22 <bpadalino> how are things going ?
Jun 09 23:33:04 <ka6sox-work> ordered bigger part....504kbits of Block RAM isn't enuf.
Jun 09 23:33:06 <sk1tt1sh> hey oc80z could it possibly be the way im building the ipk's? it doesn't come out the same as the ones in there
Jun 09 23:33:22 <oc80z> sup?
Jun 09 23:33:36 * oc80z usin diiff was to boot vm's hidden
Jun 09 23:33:47 <oc80z> checky: Set WshShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
Jun 09 23:33:47 <oc80z> WshShell.Run ("""C:\Program Files\VMware\webos\WebOS.bat"""), 0
Jun 09 23:33:47 <oc80z> Set WshShell = Nothing
Jun 09 23:33:52 <oc80z> via blah.vbs
Jun 09 23:34:14 <oc80z> lulz. all hiddn n shit.. would be nice to add a 15min delay on it..
Jun 09 23:35:04 <oc80z> sk1tt1sh i thought that you may be editing on notepad, but i bet you got that notepad++.exe going.
Jun 09 23:35:12 <oc80z> <g>
Jun 09 23:35:16 <sk1tt1sh> lol
Jun 09 23:35:22 <sk1tt1sh> i do have npp
Jun 09 23:35:43 <bpadalino> ka6sox-work: yeah, we're working with a part that has 8Mbit of BRAM and it isn't enough
Jun 09 23:35:44 <oc80z> solid.
Jun 09 23:36:02 <bpadalino> turbo decoder takes up 1Mbit as it is.. other deinterleavers take up another massive amount
Jun 09 23:36:04 <bpadalino> it's ... sad
Jun 09 23:36:06 <bpadalino> :(
Jun 09 23:36:32 <ka6sox-work> well...32bit buffers chew up bits quickly.
Jun 09 23:36:41 <bpadalino> yeah they do
Jun 09 23:37:05 <ka6sox-work> since we are talking bits not bytes...
Jun 09 23:37:36 <bpadalino> it's nice since you can use them as 2-bit wide RAMs too
Jun 09 23:37:44 <ka6sox-work> yep
Jun 09 23:37:58 <ka6sox-work> or 24 or 18 or whaver
Jun 09 23:38:07 <ka6sox-work> the DP ram I'm emulating is 18bit
Jun 09 23:38:42 <bpadalino> nice
Jun 09 23:38:50 <bpadalino> i thought i was in for the night, but it looks like one more trip out
Jun 09 23:38:51 <bpadalino> bbl
Jun 09 23:39:21 <ka6sox-work> culs!
Jun 09 23:40:14 <sk1tt1sh> Im so close like literally all I need to do is add this to sprint.tar and no have a failed rom verifyer
Jun 09 23:42:58 <sk1tt1sh> SO CLOSE!
Jun 09 23:45:28 <projectAlarum> Anyone happen to know why the camera always has an open process even after a clean reboot?  I can kill it, and if anything, it does free up some memory but wasn't sure if it was needed for something else to function...
Jun 09 23:54:19 <sk1tt1sh> I need some help on the ipkg-build tool. i'm pretty sure im doing it wrong.
Jun 09 23:56:59 <sk1tt1sh> its gotta be that.
Jun 09 23:57:20 <sk1tt1sh> cuz to open my ipk vs. other ipks there is 2 archives
Jun 09 23:57:40 <sk1tt1sh> mine there is one, then a folder with a . for the name
Jun 09 23:57:44 <sk1tt1sh> then the 2 archives
Jun 09 23:58:22 <sk1tt1sh> !!!!! grrrr
Jun 09 23:58:30 <sk1tt1sh> :(
Jun 10 00:00:55 <oc80z> sup
Jun 10 00:01:18 <oc80z> projectAlarum did u find it?
Jun 10 00:02:26 <projectAlarum> Nope, I'm looking into the whole boot process to see if its launched there or from another app
Jun 10 00:03:27 <projectAlarum> I kinda have a feeling its to function as an ambient light sensor maybe...
Jun 10 00:03:41 <oc80z> lsof
Jun 10 00:04:00 <oc80z> purhaps it is a childproc of phone.
Jun 10 00:17:18 <zsoc> projectAlarum: define open camera process
Jun 10 00:17:20 <zsoc> projectAlarum: do you mean camd?
Jun 10 00:17:31 <jettero> hrm, whenever I palm-install on my emulator, it gets all mad and says: "Restart Required\nSystem adjustments must be made before installation can continue" with [restart] and [cancel] buttons...
Jun 10 00:17:36 <jettero> restarting has no effect.
Jun 10 00:17:37 <jettero> weird
Jun 10 00:19:40 <projectAlarum> You have to forgive me, I'm irc stupid
Jun 10 00:20:13 <zsoc> projectAlarum: it's cool
Jun 10 00:20:52 <zsoc> projectAlarum: assuming the process you're referring to is camd, the answer is, it's not really /necessary/ to be open, but it doesn't hurt to chill in the background and it speeds up the camera app being launched
Jun 10 00:21:57 <projectAlarum> Hmmm its neither camera or camd are listed but probably cause I killed it
Jun 10 00:22:34 <zsoc> well camd is an upstart process iirc, so it should restart after you kill it
Jun 10 00:22:42 <zsoc> if there's another process involving the camera, i don't know about it
Jun 10 00:22:42 <projectAlarum> And my battery is about to die, I'll brb, almost home to touchstone and spare battery
Jun 10 00:22:45 <zsoc> kk
Jun 10 00:23:04 <projectAlarum> K brb in a few
Jun 10 00:23:14 <halfhalo> ewwwww
Jun 10 00:23:16 <halfhalo> batteries
Jun 10 00:24:12 <oc80z> sk1tt1sh
Jun 10 00:24:19 <oc80z> status?
Jun 10 00:28:43 <dtzWill> go hawks! :)
Jun 10 00:40:33 <sk1tt1sh> yo
Jun 10 00:40:43 <sk1tt1sh> sorry takin a brke
Jun 10 00:43:04 <rwhitby> sk1tt1sh: BTW, putting files from sprint.tar on a non-sprint device is not kosher, so you'll need to work out another way to do it before I can help you.
Jun 10 00:44:26 <oc80z> true.
Jun 10 00:44:39 <rwhitby> and if you have a rom that someone else made, then discussing such a thing in a public channel is identifying that whoever made that rom and distributed to you is redistributing proprietary Palm copyright binaries.  Not something that can be discussed in this channel thank you.
Jun 10 00:45:07 <zsoc> rwhitby: they use the word kosher in au?
Jun 10 00:45:16 <rwhitby> zsoc: we do
Jun 10 00:45:23 <oc80z> true
Jun 10 00:45:34 <ka6sox-work> kosher is kosher the world over.
Jun 10 00:45:36 <zsoc> interesting
Jun 10 00:45:57 <ka6sox-work> funny...kuz its Yiddish
Jun 10 00:46:00 <oc80z> theres some alternative channel on efnet for breaking the law.
Jun 10 00:46:02 <oc80z> :P
Jun 10 00:46:05 <sk1tt1sh> dude
Jun 10 00:46:09 <sk1tt1sh> it is a sprint device
Jun 10 00:46:15 <sk1tt1sh> it says sprint on it :)
Jun 10 00:46:40 <rwhitby> but it's not on the sprint network any more, right?
Jun 10 00:46:44 <oc80z> yeah but its
Jun 10 00:46:49 <sk1tt1sh> so?
Jun 10 00:46:58 <oc80z> its under the gpl,
Jun 10 00:47:15 <oc80z> the modification of sprint copywrite binaries.
Jun 10 00:47:23 <sk1tt1sh> im not modifying their files
Jun 10 00:47:26 <sk1tt1sh> i made my own
Jun 10 00:47:32 <rwhitby> oc80z: GPL is not involved
Jun 10 00:47:35 <oc80z> gnu?
Jun 10 00:48:08 * halfhalo prefers gncake or gnpue 
Jun 10 00:48:09 <rwhitby> the issue here is using Sprint proprietary binaries with a specific EULA on a device that is not connected to the Sprint network, and asking how to do so in this particular channel.
Jun 10 00:48:11 <oc80z> w/e the nat masq was covereed underz.
Jun 10 00:48:15 <halfhalo> *pie
Jun 10 00:48:28 <oc80z> reboot
Jun 10 00:48:31 <oc80z> brain
Jun 10 00:49:17 <rwhitby> now, if you phrase your question about how to add a non-proprietary ipkg to a device via a means that does not involve Sprint stuff (or any other proprietary stuff for which you don't have a license to run on this modified device), then we can talk about that here.
Jun 10 00:51:23 <sk1tt1sh> how about if I just asked how to make an ipkg that would work?
Jun 10 00:51:36 <zsoc> use palm package?
Jun 10 00:51:39 <sk1tt1sh> no
Jun 10 00:51:43 <sk1tt1sh> wrong kind of ipk
Jun 10 00:52:04 <Decimate> hiii. just dropping in to say, i got my evo! :)
Jun 10 00:52:08 <zsoc> mimic file hierarchy of existing right kind of ipk?
Jun 10 00:52:15 <sk1tt1sh> yes
Jun 10 00:52:41 <ka6sox-work> Hi Decimate hopefully you kept a Pre or 2
Jun 10 00:52:52 <sk1tt1sh> ran the ipkg-build script that whitby linked me to on git's toolchain
Jun 10 00:52:58 <Decimate> yes, i still have my pre
Jun 10 00:53:07 <Decimate> anyone looking to buy it, or a touchstone charger, for cheap? :)
Jun 10 00:53:33 <sk1tt1sh> how much
Jun 10 00:53:39 <sk1tt1sh> sprint pre?
Jun 10 00:53:44 <Decimate> sprint, yes.
Jun 10 00:53:56 <Decimate> scratchless, beautiful :)
Jun 10 00:54:21 <dtzWill> rwhitby: how would one add preware to metadoctor? :D
Jun 10 00:55:06 <projectAlarum> Ok, so after a battery swap, jstop does list Camera with pid 1004 and ps -e lists sh with the same pid
Jun 10 00:55:11 <sk1tt1sh> And the terminal application
Jun 10 00:55:38 <zsoc> projectAlarum: well sh is a shell... so unless you can magically attach to that shell...
Jun 10 00:56:15 <projectAlarum> That's odd..
Jun 10 00:56:29 <zsoc> it's probably more of a mistake than odd
Jun 10 00:57:12 <AndroUser> hiii :)
Jun 10 00:57:38 <AndroUser> aw, it made my name AndroUser
Jun 10 00:58:00 <zsoc> hahaa
Jun 10 00:58:01 <zsoc> what app?
Jun 10 00:58:22 <Decimate> AndroIRC
Jun 10 00:58:35 <zsoc> free?
Jun 10 00:58:44 <Decimate> yes
Jun 10 00:58:53 <Decimate> theres so much free stuff on the android market..i love it :)
Jun 10 00:59:06 <projectAlarum> And its persistent, after each reboot... And I even dr'd my pre only a day or two ago, so it's gotta be caused by an app I have or a patch possibly, probably not though... Oh well...
Jun 10 00:59:27 <FuMan> heh
Jun 10 00:59:29 <zsoc> Decimate: bah, wIRC is better ;)
Jun 10 00:59:32 <FuMan> there is also so much crap on the android market
Jun 10 00:59:39 <FuMan> zsoc, i've recently decided thats true
Jun 10 00:59:47 <FuMan> my biggest complaint about android so far is that it has no theme
Jun 10 00:59:53 <Decimate> zsoc: i like wIRC as well.
Jun 10 00:59:54 <FuMan> webos apps, look like webos apps
Jun 10 01:00:02 <FuMan> Android looks random, and teribad
Jun 10 01:00:15 <halfhalo> wakkawakkawakka
Jun 10 01:00:17 <zsoc> that's just a lack of common widgetry, no way around that really in java
Jun 10 01:00:34 <oil> wirc ftw
Jun 10 01:00:39 <FuMan> meh, it makes it look really 3rd world compared to ios/webos
Jun 10 01:00:40 <halfhalo> lies
Jun 10 01:00:58 <ka6sox-work> Ghetto
Jun 10 01:01:00 <Decimate> i love it, just sayin
Jun 10 01:01:15 <Decimate> this is just so much more developed.
Jun 10 01:01:22 <projectAlarum>  And it is the actual camera app rather than camd
Jun 10 01:01:26 <oil> ios is such a bad name
Jun 10 01:01:35 <Decimate> going from webos, to a more mature platform feels great
Jun 10 01:01:53 <oil> Decimate be trollin webos-internals?
Jun 10 01:01:54 <FuMan> Decimate, im assuming your battery sucks something awful a la Pre as well?
Jun 10 01:01:54 <zsoc> I can't use android. I have an evo and I leave it in my office.
Jun 10 01:02:06 <FuMan> zsoc, im trying to decide if i can
Jun 10 01:02:19 <FuMan> certain things about it are wicked, and certain make me D;
Jun 10 01:02:21 <Decimate> oil: ive been here for a year, just reporting back :)
Jun 10 01:02:30 <Decimate> android is great for me
Jun 10 01:02:30 <oil> lol
Jun 10 01:02:41 <Decimate> i like sense as well.
Jun 10 01:02:47 <FuMan> sense copy and paste is nice
Jun 10 01:02:52 <FuMan> everything else about it is blah
Jun 10 01:03:09 <Decimate> this phone is just so fast..
Jun 10 01:03:13 <Decimate> like, really fast.
Jun 10 01:04:36 * zsoc clears his throat
Jun 10 01:04:48 <sk1tt1sh> rwhitby: I seem to be using the ipkg-build script incorrectly. It makes an ipk but it makes it differently than other ipks i've seen
Jun 10 01:05:01 <oil> zsoc: lol
Jun 10 01:05:26 <zsoc> oil: i saw a spam threat
Jun 10 01:05:45 <CommonCold> Can you use a local folder in Preware feeds of do you have to make a webserver?
Jun 10 01:07:03 <Decimate> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/dhmassacre
Jun 10 01:07:10 <oil> no local folders
Jun 10 01:07:12 <Decimate> livestreaming from evo :)
Jun 10 01:07:37 <zsoc> that is a nice feature
Jun 10 01:07:47 <zsoc> qik is cool in general
Jun 10 01:07:55 <FuMan> qik integrates with ustream?
Jun 10 01:09:23 <Decimate> aww, you guys left before i streamed my 15 year old selff!
Jun 10 01:09:36 <zsoc> i'm not sure the legality there
Jun 10 01:10:11 <FuMan> i came.
Jun 10 01:12:01 <CommonCold> hello?
Jun 10 01:12:01 * oil didn't click link xD
Jun 10 01:12:24 <halfhalo> Ok, this is a stupid bug
Jun 10 01:14:50 <Decimate> FuMan: no, but there is a ustream broadcaster app in the marketplace
Jun 10 01:17:12 <sk1tt1sh> ..
Jun 10 01:22:11 <FuMan> its gonna make showing people my junk WAY easier.
Jun 10 01:24:46 <Parker> how do you pirate palm pixi apps?!
Jun 10 01:25:08 <halfhalo> Two things about that
Jun 10 01:25:17 <Parker> hmm...
Jun 10 01:25:23 <halfhalo> 1: Palm employess hang out in here all the time
Jun 10 01:25:27 <halfhalo> and 2:
Jun 10 01:25:43 <Parker> and i care?
Jun 10 01:25:45 <halfhalo> App developers hang out here all the time
Jun 10 01:25:55 <oil> this channel is for legal discussion only
Jun 10 01:26:04 <Parker> so how would one downlaod apps
Jun 10 01:26:06 <halfhalo> because not a soul here will help you, and most likely you will be kicked
Jun 10 01:26:16 <Parker> lulz
Jun 10 01:26:24 <zsoc> I don't find pleasure kicking webchat users
Jun 10 01:26:27 <torchie> WebOS quick install won't detect my Pre - even after I've reinstalled novacom and restarted the computer and everything
Jun 10 01:26:29 <Parker> download*
Jun 10 01:26:52 <Parker> na i'll leave
Jun 10 01:26:59 <sk1tt1sh> unplug your pre and plug it back in
Jun 10 01:27:00 <projectAlarum> You can download em by opening the app catalog and dowbloading
Jun 10 01:27:01 <torchie> no device found :(
Jun 10 01:27:06 <torchie> I've unplugged too
Jun 10 01:27:08 <projectAlarum> Or by purchasing
Jun 10 01:27:16 <jhowirc> so who else is attending this palm thing?
Jun 10 01:27:19 <projectAlarum> No pirating
Jun 10 01:27:23 <halfhalo> I bet he ends up in #webos eventually
Jun 10 01:27:39 <torchie> it is "just charge" right?
Jun 10 01:27:52 <sk1tt1sh> yes
Jun 10 01:27:53 <oil> palm thing?
Jun 10 01:27:55 <torchie> do you plug in the device only when it asks?
Jun 10 01:27:56 <sk1tt1sh> did you enable dev mode?
Jun 10 01:28:07 <torchie> yeah
Jun 10 01:28:18 <jhowirc> palm pdk event at 111 minna
Jun 10 01:28:34 <halfhalo> your not jesus!
Jun 10 01:28:45 <jhowirc> lol
Jun 10 01:28:47 <sk1tt1sh> try unplugging and switching dev off and the back on and plug it in
Jun 10 01:28:48 <projectAlarum> Lol if it was in CO or I wasn't broke and without a job infobot I'd attend
Jun 10 01:29:07 <jhowirc> lol
Jun 10 01:29:37 <projectAlarum> Palm hiring? Lol ;)
Jun 10 01:29:56 <bpadalino> is the pdk event going on now ?
Jun 10 01:35:19 <sk1tt1sh> So am I all out of luck for adding ipk's to my webos doctor?
Jun 10 01:36:56 <jhowirc> bpadalino: yes
Jun 10 01:37:06 <bpadalino> neato
Jun 10 01:42:10 <jhowirc> lemketron is here . have not seen adora yet
Jun 10 01:43:14 <torchie> is it better to have no apps running at all when connecting for quick install?
Jun 10 01:43:25 <dtzWill> halfhalo: sorry joke on a different channel
Jun 10 01:43:35 <dtzWill> and no i'm not, not at all. that was most the joke lol
Jun 10 01:45:08 <torchie> still device not found after restarting dev mode
Jun 10 01:48:11 <torchie> OH
Jun 10 01:48:20 <torchie> there's an installer that must have gotten hidden by other windows
Jun 10 01:48:38 <torchie> ran that
Jun 10 01:48:41 <torchie> fingers crossed
Jun 10 01:48:43 <torchie> YES
Jun 10 01:48:55 <torchie> SO HYPE
Jun 10 01:51:41 <projectAlarum> Did it work?
Jun 10 01:51:48 <torchie> oh heck yeah it did
Jun 10 01:53:48 <torchie-pre> this is AWESOME
Jun 10 02:08:18 <oc80z> was was acomplished.
Jun 10 02:08:24 <oc80z> oh btw, ipad == ileak
Jun 10 02:09:13 <bpadalino> it was more of an att thing than an apple thing, tho
Jun 10 02:09:48 <oc80z> damn.
Jun 10 02:21:41 <RagingMind> I missed some rumors?
Jun 10 02:23:14 <oc80z> ah, ipad users going to get trolled, hard.
Jun 10 02:36:40 <projectAlarum> Ok so yeah, I need to disable this proximity sensor badly, anyone played with it at all? Know where the code is for it?
Jun 10 02:37:06 <rwhitby> projectAlarum: it's enabled by the mojo, but the operation is all in binaries.
Jun 10 02:38:26 <projectAlarum> Hmmm, dirty...
Jun 10 02:41:22 <projectAlarum> That'll be my first patch idea lol
Jun 10 02:55:43 <torchie> is there anything for webos like a TCPMP dealie
Jun 10 02:55:50 <torchie> to expand on the amount of supported video formats
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