**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 14 02:59:57 2010 Jun 14 03:06:48 can somebody try to download this and see if it fails @ about the 44Meg Mark? Jun 14 03:06:49 http://sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources/i686-unknown-linux-gnu-1.4.1.tar.gz Jun 14 03:07:45 2010-06-13 23:07:39 (3.94 MB/s) - `i686-unknown-linux-gnu-1.4.1.tar.gz' saved [44781126/44781126] Jun 14 03:07:50 it says it's only 44MB Jun 14 03:08:09 I know..but wget sayss its 2X the size :P Jun 14 03:08:18 oh .. does it? Jun 14 03:08:20 i just did a wget Jun 14 03:08:42 apparently this wget i have it bork3n then. Jun 14 03:08:42 seems to have worked just fine for me Jun 14 03:08:56 asigh Jun 14 03:08:59 sorry Jun 14 03:09:25 well..its making the make toolchain fail for widk. Jun 14 03:09:49 oh Jun 14 03:31:27 ok, let's see if these compcache kernel modules do something with uber-kernel ... Jun 14 03:32:51 how rude, webos quick install doesn't ask before rebooting your device after installing a kernel Jun 14 03:36:50 insmod works :) Jun 14 03:37:06 Module Size Used by Jun 14 03:37:07 ramzswap 14448 0 Jun 14 03:37:07 xvmalloc 6560 1 ramzswap Jun 14 03:38:28 and if swap gets a little close you add some more swap with a file. Jun 14 03:39:26 root@palm-webos-device:/lib/modules/2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430/extra# swapon -s Jun 14 03:39:26 Filename Type Size Used Priority Jun 14 03:39:26 /dev/ramzswap0 partition 131064 0 1 Jun 14 03:40:16 now open a bunch of cards and see how it goes. Jun 14 03:46:43 ZeroPages: 989 Jun 14 03:46:44 GoodCompress: 100 % Jun 14 03:46:44 NoCompress: 0 % Jun 14 03:46:45 PagesStored: 7886 Jun 14 03:46:47 PagesUsed: 2528 Jun 14 03:46:49 OrigDataSize: 31544 kB Jun 14 03:46:51 ComprDataSize: 9064 kB Jun 14 03:46:54 MemUsedTotal: 10112 kB Jun 14 03:47:02 3:1 compression of swapped pages Jun 14 03:47:19 nice Jun 14 03:49:44 we'll want to get those stats in Govnah Jun 14 03:52:26 ZeroPages: 1058 Jun 14 03:52:26 GoodCompress: 100 % Jun 14 03:52:26 NoCompress: 0 % Jun 14 03:52:28 PagesStored: 12590 Jun 14 03:52:30 PagesUsed: 3902 Jun 14 03:52:32 OrigDataSize: 50360 kB Jun 14 03:52:34 ComprDataSize: 14928 kB Jun 14 03:52:36 MemUsedTotal: 15608 kB Jun 14 03:55:22 3:1 is awesome Jun 14 03:55:37 whats the overhead penalty? Jun 14 03:56:09 the difference between ComprDataSize and MemUsedTotal Jun 14 03:56:39 oh...I meant in time. Jun 14 03:56:50 compressing and decompressing on the fly Jun 14 04:02:54 dunno, but it's gotta be faster than accessing flash Jun 14 04:04:37 oh I'm sure it is. Jun 14 04:08:52 ka6sox: cat /sys/class/memnotify/meminfo Jun 14 04:10:59 http://webos-internals.pastebin.com/nMTVJENE Jun 14 04:11:42 running uber Jun 14 04:22:25 what happened to mvapp? Recently I had to wipe out the email and attachment folders on /var, my device was randomly freezing up because of low disk space on that partition. Jun 14 04:22:52 actually more like completely locking up. Jun 14 04:22:58 Kyusaku: I don't think it got updated after 1.3.5 Jun 14 04:23:13 I see Jun 14 04:23:45 ok, looks like the TMC error doesn't take into account free swap space Jun 14 04:34:46 rwhitby, are you using F104? Jun 14 04:38:26 ka6sox: no, I'm adding compcache to uber Jun 14 04:39:20 oh...are you using 0.54 though? Jun 14 04:39:36 speaking of, the last few kernel builds on the testing feed have been pretty nice. Jun 14 04:41:21 most notable is some of the battery saving. Jun 14 04:50:57 Kyusaku: which ones? Jun 14 04:51:50 .31 and .35, only added the feed a day or 2 ago. Jun 14 04:53:06 uber? Jun 14 04:53:33 yeah Jun 14 04:54:19 installing .35 Jun 14 04:54:58 never got into unixpsycho's compcache kernel or the other one Jun 14 04:55:55 or Bromwich's Jun 14 05:05:40 rwhitby, we have no way of knowing what kernel we have in as the uname -a string is the same. Jun 14 05:06:01 sup yall :) Jun 14 05:10:20 fine. i know noob ?'s can be annoying but cant even say hi... lol :p Jun 14 05:10:43 sk1tt1sh, just busy here...working on stuff. Jun 14 05:11:39 ka6sox: cat /proc/version Jun 14 05:12:57 Linux version 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 (v1.4.1-35@org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre) (gcc version 4.2.1 (CodeSourcery Sourcery G++ Lite 2007q3-51)) #1 Mon Jun 14 03:17:29 UTC 2010 Jun 14 05:17:07 govnah should know that. Jun 14 05:17:08 :D Jun 14 05:29:17 i know just kidding around. Jun 14 05:36:08 http://pastebin.com/W6tg53WP wtf is the deal with that? Jun 14 05:43:19 how come ipkg-build keeps telling me unable to load key file? Jun 14 05:43:34 did this Jun 14 05:43:35 openssl req -x509 -nodes -days 365 -newkey rsa:1024 -keyout mycert.pem -out mycert.pem Jun 14 05:43:39 then extracted key: Jun 14 05:43:46 openssl rsa -in mycert.pem -pubout -out pubkey.pem Jun 14 05:43:52 but it won't work for ipkg-build Jun 14 05:47:46 it wants a private key, not a public key. Jun 14 05:47:53 since you're signing. Jun 14 06:01:51 how do i get a private key? Jun 14 06:48:47 morning Jun 14 06:56:13 So it seems that the TMC error calculations are not using the correct values Jun 14 06:57:23 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2506651 Jun 14 06:57:42 oh Jun 14 07:00:06 very interesting thread Jun 14 07:02:15 rwhitby, the ramswapz device reduces the total ram available and is reflected as reduced total memory? Jun 14 07:02:50 rwhitby: free Jun 14 07:02:53 I think it is reflected as more used memory, rather than reducing total memory Jun 14 07:03:32 let me check. need to reboot the device first Jun 14 07:04:51 that model would make more sense as malloc wouldn't get confused. Jun 14 07:05:19 they have their own module for replacing malloc if I read it right. Jun 14 07:26:33 testing a kernel with the calculation corrected Jun 14 08:05:49 ZeroPages: 989 Jun 14 08:05:49 [20:46] GoodCompress: 100 % Jun 14 08:05:49 [20:46] NoCompress: 0 % Jun 14 08:05:49 [20:46] PagesStored: 7886 Jun 14 08:05:49 [20:46] PagesUsed: 2528 Jun 14 08:05:49 [20:46] OrigDataSize: 31544 kB Jun 14 08:05:51 [20:46] ComprDataSize: 9064 kB Jun 14 08:05:53 [20:46] MemUsedTotal: 10112 kB Jun 14 08:05:55 [20:47] 3:1 compression of swapped pages Jun 14 08:05:57 where did you find this? Jun 14 08:06:16 cat /proc/ramzswap Jun 14 08:06:37 okay good. Jun 14 08:06:42 now to open up some cards. Jun 14 08:09:26 looks like 3D games are not looking at memnotify output Jun 14 08:10:06 time to strace LunaSysMgr Jun 14 08:10:30 bummers...I was just about to start Doom Jun 14 08:10:46 that will probably work Jun 14 08:10:53 since it's not type:game Jun 14 08:11:13 k Jun 14 08:11:21 it's the requiredMemory field in appinfo.json which is stopping them Jun 14 08:14:12 GoodCompress: 100 % Jun 14 08:14:12 NoCompress: 0 % Jun 14 08:14:12 PagesStored: 40 Jun 14 08:14:12 PagesUsed: 1 Jun 14 08:14:12 OrigDataSize: 160 kB Jun 14 08:14:12 ComprDataSize: 2 kB Jun 14 08:14:14 MemUsedTotal: 4 kB Jun 14 08:14:16 40:1 Jun 14 08:17:21 25 cards and counting Jun 14 08:18:13 on a pre? Jun 14 08:18:22 ya Jun 14 08:18:26 wow Jun 14 08:18:39 now 29 cards Jun 14 08:19:04 GoodCompress: 100 % Jun 14 08:19:04 NoCompress: 0 % Jun 14 08:19:04 PagesStored: 2853 Jun 14 08:19:04 PagesUsed: 772 Jun 14 08:19:04 OrigDataSize: 11412 kB Jun 14 08:19:04 ComprDataSize: 3024 kB Jun 14 08:19:06 MemUsedTotal: 3088 kB Jun 14 08:19:20 almost 4:1 compression Jun 14 08:20:38 32 cards open Jun 14 08:21:05 okay this killed it. Jun 14 08:21:08 33 cards. Jun 14 08:21:49 NotifyFree: 178 Jun 14 08:21:49 ZeroPages: 409 Jun 14 08:21:49 GoodCompress: 100 % Jun 14 08:21:49 NoCompress: 0 % Jun 14 08:21:49 PagesStored: 7386 Jun 14 08:21:50 PagesUsed: 2145 Jun 14 08:21:52 OrigDataSize: 29544 kB Jun 14 08:21:54 ComprDataSize: 8330 kB Jun 14 08:21:56 MemUsedTotal: 8580 kB Jun 14 08:21:59 BDevNumReads: 983 Jun 14 08:22:00 BDevNumWrites: 4499 Jun 14 08:22:30 whats the max number of cards before things start to fail usually? Jun 14 08:22:38 nice Jun 14 08:22:44 way to flood the channel Jun 14 08:22:49 heh Jun 14 08:23:28 i'm thinking about getting this to run webos on: http://www.liquidware.com/shop/show/BB-ESK/Beagle+Embedded+Starter+Kit Jun 14 08:23:31 call me crazy? Jun 14 08:23:44 beagleboards are nice Jun 14 08:23:54 too bad the screen is only 480×272 Jun 14 08:24:28 and i wonder if i can make lunasymgr adjust to this odd resolution Jun 14 08:24:32 omap4 looks awesome Jun 14 08:25:45 the other odd thing is the type B-mini interface to RS232 serial for the touchscreen Jun 14 08:26:10 why wouldn't pre support sms bypassing sim card? Jun 14 08:27:10 "Rev C4 carries an OMAP3530 processor, the 720 MHz, ARM-Cortex A8 processor also found in the Motorola Droid and Palm Pre. The board also features 2GB NAND and SDRAM, which is mounted directly to the processor itself." Jun 14 08:27:44 right Jun 14 08:28:18 note that this one runs at 720mhz :) Jun 14 08:28:51 like my pre Jun 14 08:30:32 add gsm modem module, gps module, accelerometer module and you've got a smartphone Jun 14 08:30:49 battery and charger too Jun 14 08:31:02 2600mah battery is included in the kit Jun 14 08:31:54 powers a BeagleBoard for at least 6.5 hrs Jun 14 08:32:06 single or dual USB charging via Type B-mini ports Jun 14 08:32:16 yep. got one right here Jun 14 08:32:59 that starter kit? Jun 14 08:33:06 well, a rev B board Jun 14 08:33:57 oh, i thought you had that starter kit with touchscreen and battery Jun 14 08:34:18 no. Jun 14 08:34:22 i have the beagleboard Jun 14 08:35:43 hah, here is the last missing thing Jun 14 08:35:44 http://www.liquidware.com/shop/show/BB-MOD/BeagleMod Jun 14 08:35:58 hmm - will probably need different percentage thresholds with this new TMC calculation that includes swap space Jun 14 08:36:14 and Jun 14 08:36:15 http://www.liquidware.com/shop/show/SEN-3AX/3-axis+Accelerometer+Module Jun 14 08:38:31 rwhitby, mine is @ 36712kb Jun 14 08:38:35 er KB Jun 14 10:39:59 rehi Jun 14 13:20:30 im doing a full erase on my palm pre Jun 14 13:21:20 oh Jun 14 13:21:47 have been haveing randem reeboot isshues Jun 14 13:21:48 wanna talk about it mumbles Jun 14 13:21:49 ? Jun 14 13:22:07 en0x: i think its the sticher app causing problems Jun 14 13:22:47 i dont use it Jun 14 13:23:20 neither do i now :P Jun 14 13:23:20 why a full erase? Jun 14 13:23:33 a partall arase last week hadend fixed it Jun 14 13:44:27 dose anyone else with a palm pre get worried when there batttery gets hot? Jun 14 13:46:26 only if the phone is not doing anything Jun 14 13:46:34 not really, we prolly should but i think we're all used to it Jun 14 13:49:35 true. there are no fans :P Jun 14 14:19:24 Three 3D games loaded at the same time ... let's try for four. Jun 14 14:19:48 2M mem free, all swap used, 22M cached, ... Jun 14 14:21:29 rehi Jun 14 14:22:47 nope, lost LunaSysMgr control with the 4th 3D game loaded Jun 14 14:23:44 let's try again with compcache enabled ... Jun 14 14:24:39 my ssd surprised me with a "no operating system found. please insert a system disk" :O Jun 14 14:24:51 ;] Jun 14 14:25:06 after a reboot everything was fine again :/ Jun 14 14:32:42 sup all I'm looking for a way to add smiles to the sym box for my brother Jun 14 14:33:26 fourth 3D game loading ... Jun 14 14:33:40 you can add anything to the sym box. Jun 14 14:34:28 the actual list of characters that appear on the screen is controlled by /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions//resources/en_us/alternatechars_table.json Jun 14 14:34:53 ok I got that part rick Jun 14 14:35:04 and.... Jun 14 14:35:31 where can I find a list to replace or add smiles that are supported on the pre Jun 14 14:37:15 oh, the conversion of text-strings to graphics images? Jun 14 14:37:31 yes Jun 14 14:37:48 its for my little brother I can care less about them Jun 14 14:39:07 Rick_work: he wants them in the sym box so its easy for him Jun 14 14:39:46 have you installed the patch "Smilie faces in sym box" ? Jun 14 14:40:25 I didn't know there was a patch Jun 14 14:40:33 preware ? Jun 14 14:40:44 this is webOS, there's ALWAYS a patch for that. Jun 14 14:40:48 preware, yes. Jun 14 14:40:54 lol Jun 14 14:41:11 good one Rick_work Jun 14 14:41:24 going to try now for him Jun 14 14:41:50 under messaging right Jun 14 14:41:53 sym K or sym-Z brings up the smilies after the patch. Jun 14 14:45:17 Rick_work: is there a difference between the 2 ? Jun 14 14:47:59 errr brb Jun 14 14:51:38 who here is from boston Jun 14 14:51:38 ? Jun 14 14:53:48 thanks Rick_work worked now he was like what about other smiles Jun 14 14:54:10 I just told him don't think he can have more or am I wrong Jun 14 14:57:35 sup swisstomcat Jun 14 14:57:47 not much Jun 14 14:58:36 you don't want to get into editing the rest... Jun 14 14:58:42 it's not trivial. Jun 14 14:58:47 I hear that Jun 14 14:59:17 Looks like three 3D games running at the same time is about the limit on a Pre. Jun 14 14:59:18 ok Rick_work so tell him to leave it alone right Jun 14 14:59:21 Relatives can be so demanding because they don't understand what's hard and what's not hard. Jun 14 14:59:33 rwhitby a regular pre not a plus.... Jun 14 14:59:41 Rick_work: yeah Jun 14 15:00:21 Rick_work: did you see that pm Jun 14 15:00:32 btw sup rwhitby Jun 14 15:28:22 I'm pretty sure rwhitby when to bed. It's WAY LATE there. Jun 14 15:28:38 he's going to get like 4 and a half hours of sleep tonight Jun 14 15:29:06 staying up late the last few days it seems Jun 14 15:54:27 * mumbles wishes the messaging plugins actally worked on his phone Jun 14 16:06:48 which plugins, which carrier, which OS version mumbles? Jun 14 16:16:06 Rick_work: the one that greg roll did, messaging plugins, palm pre, latest os and 01 Jun 14 16:16:10 02 Jun 14 16:27:10 clark kent is a retard Jun 14 16:27:15 chloe is way hotter than lana or lois Jun 14 18:46:12 rod: Jun 14 18:46:14 rod? Jun 14 18:47:33 probably asleep Jun 14 18:47:40 ~seen rwhitby Jun 14 18:47:47 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals #oe #meego #nslu2-linux. Has said a total of 93 messages. Is idling for 3h 48m 5s, last said: 'Rick_work: yeah'. Jun 14 18:48:15 if your able to make changes to one repo are you able to make changes to them all? Jun 14 18:50:39 probably not? Jun 14 21:31:06 sup? Jun 14 21:31:33 good night Jun 14 22:18:07 whats good. Jun 14 22:18:41 air and good food. Jun 14 22:22:40 mm yum Jun 14 22:29:35 type of food we talking about Jun 14 22:44:04 testing Jun 14 22:48:13 oc80z, Italian Jun 14 22:48:29 its what's for LUNCH Jun 14 22:50:46 does govnah need to be running or just installed to benefit from uberkernel? Jun 14 23:17:29 moin Jun 14 23:27:53 ka6sox-work: greetings, have you documented the new improved method to chroot? Jun 14 23:28:45 anyone is working on a more recent kernel? Jun 14 23:29:07 a more recent one ? Jun 14 23:30:43 sethron|work, I am editing the wiki now Jun 14 23:31:54 bpadalino, >2.6.32 Jun 14 23:31:59 I'm just downloading it directly into /media/ext3fs, bunzip2, mkdir debimg, mount -o loop to debimg and copying it. Jun 14 23:32:08 playya_, not likely Jun 14 23:32:20 playya_: you don't think palm is already on it ? Jun 14 23:32:22 ka6sox-work: kewl, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Recentchanges is one of my favorites :) Jun 14 23:32:57 okay...I'll finish but I need others who want to doctor and add the new parttion to test as well. Jun 14 23:34:18 maybe others are working on an own OS, too Jun 14 23:36:15 playya_, to replace webOS on the phone? Jun 14 23:37:13 sethron|work, its not just for debian...but that is the first use For it since we have an easy way to make that go. Jun 14 23:38:41 we're working on 2 images: Jun 14 23:38:57 preboot: kernel+ initramfs to enable dualboot Jun 14 23:39:21 fso-preview: fso stack +zhone Jun 14 23:40:10 ka6sox-work: what other distros could work? Jun 14 23:41:32 i think debian, ubuntu, maybe fedora and opensuse Jun 14 23:45:26 playya_: what about running stellarium which is dependent on opengl and Qt? Jun 14 23:45:52 afaik the opengl part is closed :( Jun 14 23:46:34 opengl is regular opengl es2 Jun 14 23:47:20 or do you mean from the perspective of the driver is closed? Jun 14 23:47:48 yes. from the driver side Jun 14 23:48:22 the kernel side is quite open. but the drivers only forward data into userspace Jun 14 23:48:53 where properitary libs/daemons process the data Jun 14 23:49:35 playya_: i thought debian/lenny is for arm devices? Jun 14 23:50:03 yes. i mean the webos parts Jun 14 23:51:08 would a newer kernel really help out any of that ? Jun 14 23:51:36 playya_: sorry, i what chatting with ka6sox regarding chroot to the debian img and running stellarium, not from webOS Jun 14 23:52:24 bpadalino, there's some work to do Jun 14 23:52:35 e.g. a touchscreen driver Jun 14 23:52:51 yeah, all the human interface stuff Jun 14 23:53:21 seems like you should get crackin :) Jun 14 23:53:55 we have a working tslib plugin Jun 14 23:56:58 Anyone know if you can use text.replace to basically inject an image in place of text? Jun 15 02:51:44 * dtzWill waves hello to everyone :) Jun 15 02:52:13 hi dtzWill Jun 15 02:52:22 someone buy me lightroom 3 Jun 15 02:55:51 heh Jun 15 02:56:18 Sadface… left my camera at home today, so no pics of e3 yet Jun 15 02:56:40 ka6sox: 'ello :) Jun 15 02:58:32 Ok, so I was playing with my friends Evo 4G today, and dammit qik is cool Jun 15 02:58:41 Live streaming from E3... Jun 15 02:59:17 i just got my palm pre plus and i want to download this to me phone can some one give me a hand with doing thiws like how do i do it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 15 02:59:57 2010