**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 23 02:59:56 2010 Jun 23 02:59:57 lol Jun 23 02:59:58 * uNiXpSyChO senses a bug in my code somewhere Jun 23 03:00:16 lol Jun 23 03:01:18 * BeeRad is the best Alpha Tester that Internals has and I didnt even know it. :P Jun 23 03:01:37 * oil is just glad the bug is in uNiXpSyChO's and not his :) Jun 23 03:02:41 darn heck doohickey!!! Jun 23 03:03:52 * BeeRad thinks uNiXpSyChO did it on purpose to sabotage my pipe dream of 1GHz OC. Jun 23 03:04:23 how so? you were running at 1gig Jun 23 03:04:36 I was keeding. Jun 23 03:05:14 :| <--- couldnt you tell? Jun 23 03:05:33 ka6sox-wIRC: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/16819809926 Jun 23 03:06:36 * uNiXpSyChO furiously whacks away at the keyboard making a patch... Jun 23 03:06:55 twitpic failed to load for me :( Jun 23 03:07:03 same Jun 23 03:07:15 over 140? Jun 23 03:07:16 lol? Jun 23 03:07:30 twitpic linky no worky... Jun 23 03:07:49 photo no longer exists!! Jun 23 03:08:07 lol Jun 23 03:08:23 OMG... he was really serious!!! Jun 23 03:08:26 aahhhh, there it is Jun 23 03:08:44 http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/16820015334 Jun 23 03:09:02 What the.......??? Jun 23 03:09:22 lolwut Jun 23 03:09:25 spectacular Jun 23 03:09:38 do you run a station?? ehe Jun 23 03:10:14 tman this was the one I fixed yesterday with your app Jun 23 03:11:36 *confused* Jun 23 03:12:07 tman you see the fans behind the grill? Jun 23 03:12:31 oh wait Jun 23 03:12:41 you can't see wm Jun 23 03:12:45 er em Jun 23 03:13:18 of the FM transmitter? Jun 23 03:13:27 anyways...I was serious when I said I was going to use it to fix it Jun 23 03:13:56 sweet. Jun 23 03:14:09 ya...worked good Jun 23 03:14:30 so are we talking about the FM transmitter?? lol Jun 23 03:14:45 Tman's app saves the day! Jun 23 03:14:53 yes Jun 23 03:14:56 :) Jun 23 03:15:13 hahaha that is amazing Jun 23 03:15:26 okay.. AND there happened to be a pixi providing audio? so much webos in one place :D Jun 23 03:15:50 so wait.. is that rwhitby's photo or yours? Jun 23 03:16:02 Tman: ka6sox-wIRC's Jun 23 03:16:10 ohhh k Jun 23 03:16:48 *light bulb flickers on above head* Jun 23 03:17:04 tman this is the pixi now...needed backup as weedwhacker cut both satellite cable and T1 line Jun 23 03:17:38 not a backhoe? Jun 23 03:17:40 lol wow.. that's unfortunate :/ Jun 23 03:17:56 a freakin weedwhacker???? Jun 23 03:18:05 yeppers Jun 23 03:18:45 that not cool Jun 23 03:18:51 chainsaw, different story Jun 23 03:19:03 get some metal tubing for those lines :p Jun 23 03:19:30 T1 is now twisted together so I am bak on that Jun 23 03:19:51 ya...armor Jun 23 03:19:55 how fast are T1 lines usually… I always forget Jun 23 03:20:02 1.544 Jun 23 03:20:09 1.544 Jun 23 03:20:25 Both ways? Jun 23 03:20:28 whaat he said Jun 23 03:20:31 ya Jun 23 03:20:47 bah, my cable is faster than that. When it works Jun 23 03:21:11 okay...pixi has to go back to work...found splices Jun 23 03:21:18 * Tman remembers when that was a lot Jun 23 03:21:44 Hell, I thought 2MB/s both was a lot until I started to work Jun 23 03:21:45 that T1 must be clean now with some twisting Jun 23 03:21:48 I just built and ran doom on my pre with WIDK. Thanks for your great work! Jun 23 03:21:56 And then… 100Mb/s happened Jun 23 03:22:27 halfhalo I could throw a rock @ you and come close right now Jun 23 03:22:32 hborders: :) Jun 23 03:22:37 lol Jun 23 03:22:44 :D Jun 23 03:22:52 In the mountains above me, eh? Jun 23 03:22:58 * halfhalo grabs lighters and gas can Jun 23 03:22:59 yeppers Jun 23 03:23:23 what station? Jun 23 03:23:45 looks like 91.1 :p Jun 23 03:23:45 rather not say :) Jun 23 03:23:50 whoops :p Jun 23 03:24:39 * Tman inserts foot into mouth Jun 23 03:25:10 91.1 in Australia, right ka6sox-wIRC ? Jun 23 03:25:22 yeppers! Jun 23 03:25:41 since when do I live in austrailia Jun 23 03:25:51 okay...pixi gotta work Jun 23 03:25:55 bbiaf Jun 23 03:26:22 * halfhalo grabs zune for its radio Jun 23 03:26:31 never actually listened to this station Jun 23 03:27:12 engelbert humperdinck? Jun 23 03:28:47 classical Jun 23 03:28:53 what app is that? Jun 23 03:29:23 all bee gee's...all the time Jun 23 03:29:41 no ganstah rap? Jun 23 03:30:03 yo! Jun 23 03:30:06 E-Z-E Jun 23 03:30:25 ffffff Jun 23 03:30:30 lol Jun 23 03:30:36 crap reception with my shures Jun 23 03:32:49 okay..back on T1....pixi can rest now. Jun 23 03:33:03 gets HOT streaming Jun 23 03:33:12 lulz Jun 23 03:33:52 san diego?!?!? Jun 23 03:34:42 TJ and 91X! Jun 23 03:34:54 you are dead to me Jun 23 03:35:34 that's what you are hearing...tijuana and 91X Jun 23 03:36:20 this is aimed towards Magic Mountain Jun 23 03:37:09 you are even deader Jun 23 03:37:13 that's why it's confizing Jun 23 03:38:08 headed back to tampa ave. Jun 23 03:38:20 san diego /= near here Jun 23 03:39:20 can you see the white golf ball on the mountain northwest of you? Jun 23 03:40:13 mebe, if I was facing that way Jun 23 03:40:35 too bad..i'm waving Jun 23 03:40:50 lol Jun 23 03:41:36 okay...my work is done here...headed to odyssey for dinner Jun 23 03:41:43 nice Jun 23 03:42:59 hmmm...look I'm on another station while I'm there Jun 23 03:43:06 ttfn Jun 23 03:43:15 ha Jun 23 03:43:28 aircommservices.. eh> Jun 23 03:43:42 huh? Jun 23 03:43:51 long story Jun 23 03:43:52 oh Jun 23 03:44:12 i'll bet Jun 23 03:44:16 laters Jun 23 03:44:22 google mapping the moutains above me looking for it Jun 23 03:59:12 heh nice, was it to simply avoid dead air? Jun 23 04:07:30 anyone use ampache ? with compcache kernels? Jun 23 04:09:14 yes Jun 23 04:09:16 i have Jun 23 04:21:48 i was asking for you, heh Jun 23 04:31:27 Twee update is pretty solid. Jun 23 04:36:27 oil: ping Jun 23 04:36:43 2 mins, about to snipe an ebay auction :) Jun 23 04:36:54 of what? Jun 23 04:37:03 steel battalion Jun 23 04:37:38 thats the one with the giant controller, right? Jun 23 04:37:48 oil: If I have govnah period set to 1 minute, do the values that it reads when I turn on the screen go anywhere? Jun 23 04:38:13 oil: cause the graph doesn't get updated just cause I turned on the screen right? Jun 23 04:38:28 and the value overlay on the graph on the main screen doesn't seem to either Jun 23 04:38:43 didn't get it :/ Jun 23 04:38:53 boo Jun 23 04:39:27 I don't do auctions Jun 23 04:40:10 hell, i dont do used Jun 23 04:40:21 oil: hmm, when I turn on the screen, it only reads cpufreq params, not any of the other stuff (mem, load, etc) Jun 23 04:40:22 when the app isn't the active card, it doesn't update the graphs Jun 23 04:40:31 it does read in the background though Jun 23 04:40:50 oil: app is active card, period set to 1 minute. Jun 23 04:40:58 oil: turn off screen, nothing is updated of course. Jun 23 04:41:36 oil: turn on screen, the app calls get_cpufreq_params twice. still nothing is updated on main screen until the next minute timer fires Jun 23 04:41:48 oil: is that how it is now? Jun 23 04:41:55 it should update the display with the last values it had as soon as its made visible Jun 23 04:42:23 right, the last values from up to a minute ago (cause I've told it to only poll every minute) Jun 23 04:42:36 right Jun 23 04:43:10 my question is whether we should consider doing a forced poll when the screen is turned on, or when the card becomes active, so that the numbers on the front screen are correct at that point Jun 23 04:43:31 (in addition to the periodic polling) Jun 23 04:44:12 yeah, we certainly could Jun 23 04:44:24 what would be the easiest way to do that? Jun 23 04:44:24 right now is it set up to poll the stuff periodically then update the graph? just curious Jun 23 04:45:37 in the main scene's visible function Jun 23 04:46:14 yep Jun 23 04:47:09 call Jun 23 04:47:12 dataHandler.timerFunction() Jun 23 04:47:35 oil: ok. That will reset the timeout though, right? Jun 23 04:47:40 yeah Jun 23 04:47:45 so it wont update for another min Jun 23 04:48:39 oil: what's the reason for the existing call to updateParams() in the visible function? Jun 23 04:49:16 to update the active profile display in the main scene Jun 23 04:49:32 it calls cpufreq_params twice Jun 23 04:49:34 ah, right. it does the match at that point Jun 23 04:49:56 ok, so I should do the timer function after that Jun 23 04:50:24 instead of the existing call to renderGraph, cause timerFunction calls that anyway Jun 23 04:50:25 well, thats a service call Jun 23 04:50:27 so, its async Jun 23 04:50:41 so the order doesn't really matter xD Jun 23 04:51:03 ah, so renderGraph probably won't have the latest values anyway Jun 23 04:51:14 well Jun 23 04:51:35 hm Jun 23 04:51:55 should we delay the call to renderGraph until all the values are in from the async service calls? Jun 23 04:52:37 no Jun 23 04:52:47 if one fails for whatever reason, id hate to just stop rendering the graph Jun 23 04:53:13 as it is now, technically, the graph is always one reading behind Jun 23 04:53:14 maybe render twice. once before and once after Jun 23 04:53:29 but the values are updated as-it-happens Jun 23 04:53:36 right Jun 23 04:53:40 which could happen to the graphs, too Jun 23 04:53:44 we could split hte rendergraph out Jun 23 04:53:50 and update each as the new data is returned Jun 23 04:54:11 ah, distribute it to all the handers Jun 23 04:54:19 yeah Jun 23 04:54:25 or keep it the same, and add a variable to tell it which to render Jun 23 04:54:29 and if there is none, render them all Jun 23 04:55:19 I can feel a this.graphs["name"] coming on ... Jun 23 04:55:42 lol Jun 23 04:58:37 oil: ah, so data-handler actually does the drawing for the main screen and the separate graph screens Jun 23 05:00:37 You two are making my head explode... Jun 23 05:01:42 oil: what's the best javascript for iterating over a list of strings to be used as keys for accessing a hash? Jun 23 05:02:26 whats worse, the fact that I understand what their talking about or the fact I care Jun 23 05:03:00 rwhitby Jun 23 05:03:06 use an actual hash? Jun 23 05:03:08 $H() Jun 23 05:03:13 its a prototype thing Jun 23 05:04:52 halfhalo: interesting observation. Jun 23 05:05:44 oil: http://www.prototypejs.org/api/hash/each ? Jun 23 05:05:58 yeah, actually make a hash with key->value you want Jun 23 05:06:50 * rwhitby thinks that anywhere he sees four similar lines in a row in Govnah is gonna get converted .. Jun 23 05:07:17 doitdoitdoit Jun 23 05:09:16 lol Jun 23 05:09:19 ok, so maybe not that Jun 23 05:09:32 but, im taking off Jun 23 05:09:36 so ill brb in a few hours Jun 23 05:21:58 dear adobe, wtf Jun 23 05:25:54 ? Jun 23 05:29:16 Palm has the Flash update it's up to them to approve it not Adobe. Jun 23 05:38:23 hey Jun 23 05:38:34 rwhitby: ping Jun 23 05:40:03 bhuey: hi Jun 23 05:42:14 oil: so prototype stuff is pretty awful to debug Jun 23 05:42:33 oil: org.webosinternals.govnah: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot set property 'temp' of undefined, InstallPrototypeBuiltIn:705 Jun 23 05:44:01 meh, not a huge issue there Jun 23 05:44:07 sounds like scope Jun 23 05:44:07 rwhitby: hey have some obsevations i'd like to share regarding the uberkernel Jun 23 05:44:22 bhuey: sure Jun 23 05:44:33 bhuey: you're a kernel dev, right? Jun 23 05:44:53 rwhitby: yeah, scheduler, realtime, MIPS MMU, etc... Jun 23 05:45:17 rwhitby: I hit a VM thrashing point with the compression cache that makes the Pre tht I have unusable Jun 23 05:45:58 what I mean by that is that it's thrashing so much that the process in question is no longer able to maintain enough pages in memory to run Jun 23 05:46:21 withut triggering tons more paging Jun 23 05:46:29 so i had to remove that kernel patch Jun 23 05:46:34 but... Jun 23 05:46:51 the db that's in the Pre is crappy and it's eating up a ton of memory Jun 23 05:47:16 if I delete a bunch of messages in the chat app, things automatically get faster Jun 23 05:47:30 that's the theory from various bits of experimentation Jun 23 05:47:59 bhuey: yeah, I can certainly believe all of that Jun 23 05:48:01 the compressed cache for me creates a near fatal condition on my device so I removed that kernel Jun 23 05:48:49 otherwise it's a great idea Jun 23 05:49:06 is there a limit we can use to make it safer? Jun 23 05:49:09 also, the Linux VM is generally pretty shitty regarding page replacement Jun 23 05:49:14 not sure Jun 23 05:49:28 maybe use the db size as some measure Jun 23 05:49:40 it seems pretty heavily depedent on it Jun 23 05:49:56 the entire OS I mean Jun 23 05:50:01 bhuey: this is the PalmDatabase.db right? Jun 23 05:50:06 don't know Jun 23 05:50:18 I don't know which db that loads up and stores all of those messages Jun 23 05:50:27 I suspect that's the one - it has all the synergy-related stuff in it Jun 23 05:50:32 seems pretty heavy weight for just storing messages Jun 23 05:50:49 I'm presuming that's the case Jun 23 05:50:58 it's colossally intertwined Jun 23 05:51:04 since everything seems to be tagged by synergy Jun 23 05:51:25 yeah, well that db is a core source of suffering for the entire system it seems Jun 23 05:52:09 something more intelligent jsut to store text and syncing it would be better instead of abusing a db Jun 23 05:52:31 it's kind of a wacky file systems problem Jun 23 05:52:35 yeah but synergy is the best that's out there (imo)... if they could just optimize it better Jun 23 05:52:58 Palm needs way more engineers to solve problems like this than they currently have Jun 23 05:53:02 using an RDB is good for that type of thing. but you'd think they could externalize the messages Jun 23 05:54:19 yeah it's no secret that Palm is undermanned.. though HP sounds pretty excited about webos this and that so I think they will be pouring money into it soon Jun 23 05:54:31 don't know if they will or not Jun 23 05:54:37 I'd like to join them to fix some of this shit Jun 23 05:54:45 but who knows Jun 23 05:54:50 bhuey: you know you can run UberKernel with compcache turned off, but still get the benefit of allowing usage of the swap space before getting the TMC error? Jun 23 05:55:07 My hope is hp shows up with a bag o money and says go nuts Jun 23 05:55:13 what regarding swap again ? Jun 23 05:55:15 didn't understand you Jun 23 05:55:16 bhuey: yeah that would be fun :) Jun 23 05:55:32 halfhalo: hire competent epople of course Jun 23 05:55:34 poeple Jun 23 05:55:47 bhuey: in stock kernel, the Too Many Cards error is based on (ram used + swap used) / (total ram). Jun 23 05:55:53 bhuey: you can vacuum the sqlite db... Jun 23 05:55:57 that helps for me. Jun 23 05:56:01 yeah, how do I turn that off ? the configuration ? Jun 23 05:56:05 bhuey: in Uber-46, we change that to (ram used + swap used) / (total ram + total swap). Jun 23 05:56:11 people come after expresso machines for everyone Jun 23 05:56:15 jhoweb: wish I knew how Jun 23 05:56:20 I'm not a db person Jun 23 05:56:25 bhuey: that's independent of whether compcache is enabled or not Jun 23 05:56:31 rwhitby: yeah saw your article Jun 23 05:56:36 right Jun 23 05:56:48 should I turn that off manually ? Jun 23 05:56:55 or wait for you to upload a kernel ? Jun 23 05:57:01 or whom ever. Jun 23 05:57:04 bhuey: which kernel are you running? Jun 23 05:57:09 stock Jun 23 05:57:24 bhuey: you can run uberkernel, and use govnah but leave compcache turned off Jun 23 05:57:26 but I was running the overclock krnel with the compcache stuff Jun 23 05:57:31 oh really ? Jun 23 05:57:33 didn't know that Jun 23 05:57:35 bhuey: see http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/syshealth.git;a=blob;f=src/sqlite_vacuum.sh;h=98e0f194702c3315aa5c17ac4f97f41068d166e7;hb=HEAD Jun 23 05:57:52 bhuey: uber-46 has all the stuff that f102 and f104 have, but in a configurable form Jun 23 05:58:11 that will vacuum all the sqlite dbs on the phone Jun 23 05:58:29 jhoweb: what's vaccum do ? Jun 23 05:58:47 cleans up the sqlite db. Jun 23 05:58:50 bhuey: by default, uber is configured the same as stock. then you adjust what you want with govnah, save it as a profile, and the profile is written as an upstart script for next boot Jun 23 05:58:51 what does that mean ? Jun 23 05:58:52 compacts etc. Jun 23 05:59:06 what does it compact ? Jun 23 05:59:21 orphaned bits of data ? Jun 23 05:59:23 http://www.sqlite.org/lang_vacuum.html Jun 23 05:59:39 * bhuey looks Jun 23 06:00:15 nice Jun 23 06:00:23 I'll be running that for sure Jun 23 06:00:32 yeah. works nicely for me. Jun 23 06:00:39 how long does it take? Jun 23 06:00:47 jhoweb: perforamnce improvement ? Jun 23 06:00:51 couple of minutes Jun 23 06:00:52 yeah Jun 23 06:00:55 major ? Jun 23 06:01:20 nothing is major except overclocking from 500 to 800 =) Jun 23 06:01:43 this will cleanup all email and attachments older than 7 days ----> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/syshealth.git;a=blob;f=src/email_cleanup.sh;h=6d82f8629d7b7b88dc2b649aee6a2e1e5350676b;hb=HEAD Jun 23 06:01:52 woah,,,, getting 5 bars here... Jun 23 06:02:00 the pre likes to leave lots of files lying around Jun 23 06:02:25 jhoweb: do you have a forum thread for this discussion ? Jun 23 06:02:31 BUT you need to reboot if you run that else run the risk of the email app acting weird Jun 23 06:02:35 no Jun 23 06:02:42 folks should know about it Jun 23 06:03:02 vcacuum is like disk defragmentation Jun 23 06:03:03 it's in the syshealth app that ka6sox-work is working on Jun 23 06:03:09 yes Jun 23 06:03:11 certainly helps with things Jun 23 06:03:20 oh ok Jun 23 06:03:36 you are welcome to contribute if you want to help Jun 23 06:03:37 yeah, hate to dump this pre for an EVO Jun 23 06:03:56 rwhitby: you know who over at palm is in charge of the app catalog? Jun 23 06:04:00 jhoweb: I wish, don't have time unfortunately other than being a tester Jun 23 06:04:23 ka6sox-work: yt? Jun 23 06:04:29 hello Jun 23 06:04:41 cxreg: nope, you'd have to go through devrel I expect Jun 23 06:04:42 I cant remember the 3rd thing I was going to add to syshealth Jun 23 06:04:50 grr. i curse getting old Jun 23 06:04:52 btw, ran into Deiter Bonh on a Caltrain last week Jun 23 06:04:58 he was riding to palm headquarters Jun 23 06:05:03 hm Jun 23 06:05:04 Bohn Jun 23 06:05:17 talked with him for a bit, it was fun Jun 23 06:05:45 idk where I am lol Jun 23 06:06:05 rwhitby: would that be chuq? Jun 23 06:07:32 rebooting Jun 23 06:07:36 woohoo. warthog-pixi-50 kernel is ready Jun 23 06:07:45 * jhoweb looks around for ka6sox-work Jun 23 06:08:46 cxreg: yes Jun 23 06:10:27 I shall endeavor to not be lazy and finally add the testing feeds to my phone Jun 23 06:10:57 yeah man Jun 23 06:11:46 darn it. i'm hungry and there is no food here. Jun 23 06:12:07 considering how often i doctor, i should just make a metadoctor with em enabled… but that means i have to install dev stuff on my mac and that requires space which is at a premium Jun 23 06:12:40 halfhalo: meta-doctor with wifi profiles, preware auto-install, and testing feeds enabled is sweet Jun 23 06:12:51 oh, ssh authorized_keys too Jun 23 06:13:09 yeah…. I know… but I just installed the intel ssd in the mac and nothings installed on it Jun 23 06:13:43 But intel 80GB G2 is freaking amazing Jun 23 06:14:15 with a 500GB 7200rpm drive my bootup was about a minute or so, and apps like aperture were noticably laggy Jun 23 06:14:19 not anymore Jun 23 06:14:22 rwhitby: where are the compcache settings ? Jun 23 06:14:26 OWC mecury extreme Jun 23 06:14:38 that's what i'm looking at Jun 23 06:14:38 My intel was free :p Jun 23 06:14:41 rebooted and running govnah Jun 23 06:14:44 =P Jun 23 06:14:47 u suck Jun 23 06:14:57 bhuey: govnah 0.4.9 (from app testing feed) Jun 23 06:15:01 I won it at E3 from intel Jun 23 06:15:16 but I have a 120GB Agility 2 in my T400 that I got for 230 Jun 23 06:15:41 rwhitby: kernel testing feed ? Jun 23 06:16:13 rwhitby: btw, other than that thrashing condition, compcache worked pretty well Jun 23 06:16:31 seemed ot make things smoother for at least a little while Jun 23 06:17:02 bhuey: there are separate apps testing feeds and kernel testing feeds Jun 23 06:17:06 ~testing-feed Jun 23 06:17:08 how do you put he palm pixi into developer mode Jun 23 06:17:10 ~testing-feeds Jun 23 06:17:13 I'm trying to switch all the dev machines at my work to ssd's since its just a huge perf boost Jun 23 06:17:17 well, testing-feed is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Jun 23 06:17:34 slits321: what google search terms have you tried so far? Jun 23 06:18:20 preware? Jun 23 06:18:48 slits321: here's a tip: put the question you just asked into that box on www.google.com Jun 23 06:18:56 rwhitby: both lines ? Jun 23 06:19:07 bhuey: yeah, one is arch indep, one is arch dep Jun 23 06:19:14 ok Jun 23 06:19:29 oh. Jun 23 06:20:11 lol that was quick Jun 23 06:21:52 warthog-pre-50 installed and rebooting Jun 23 06:27:13 rwhitby: compcache enabled is false Jun 23 06:28:14 hrm. floating point exception Jun 23 06:28:24 bhuey: yep, by default it's disabled Jun 23 06:28:54 ok so maybe it wasn't running compcache the entire time then right ? Jun 23 06:29:02 possibly Jun 23 06:29:03 I ran it use the older version of govnah Jun 23 06:29:18 rwhitby: and therefore everything I said was wrong Jun 23 06:29:33 but at least you learnt about vacuum Jun 23 06:31:50 bhuey: depends which kernel you were running - F10x kernels have compcache enabled by default. UberKernel has compcache disabled by default. Jun 23 06:31:50 jhoweb: can vacuum run without putting the phone into a different run state ? Jun 23 06:31:58 ? Jun 23 06:32:02 it was a uberkernel Jun 23 06:32:11 rwhitby: so what I said was likely for the wrong kernel Jun 23 06:32:15 let me try it again then Jun 23 06:32:46 what's the recommended cache size ? Jun 23 06:32:53 well switching to the 2010q1 toolchain didnt make the pre slower Jun 23 06:33:05 rwhitby: what bothers me now is why the uberkernel was giving me so many problems Jun 23 06:33:28 bhuey: were you opening lots of cards? Jun 23 06:33:54 bhuey: I was hoping you could tell me what the best memlimit value is for compcache on the Pre :) Jun 23 06:34:50 2nd pre running warthog-50 now... Jun 23 06:35:21 rwhitby: when you deploy an uber kernel from testing to production. do you just copy the Makefile over? Jun 23 06:35:22 rwhitby: yea, but it eventually slowed down so much that I rebooted Jun 23 06:35:35 rwhitby: ok, will try to experiement then Jun 23 06:35:38 jhoweb: effectively, yes Jun 23 06:35:41 16M for starters Jun 23 06:35:42 k Jun 23 06:35:58 bhuey: and change the Category Jun 23 06:36:06 now that the different kernels built, I can finish moving things around. wanted to make sure things still worked Jun 23 06:36:07 s/bhuey/jhoweb/ Jun 23 06:36:08 rwhitby meant: jhoweb: and change the Category Jun 23 06:41:23 rwhitby: eh ? Jun 23 06:41:37 oh different person Jun 23 06:41:47 rwhitby: restart after every compcache change right ? Jun 23 06:42:10 bhuey: no, we unload and reload the modules if you disable, apply, enable, apply Jun 23 06:42:34 (assuming you've got real mem free to catch the swap that gets dumped) Jun 23 06:43:38 * halfhalo uses virtual memory Jun 23 06:44:10 none of that real memory crap they serve nowadays thats full of calories Jun 23 06:46:08 * halfhalo is waiting impatiently while git builds…. Jun 23 06:48:20 it doesn't help um using hulu either... Jun 23 06:53:10 Govnah 0.4.10 is in the testing feed. Updates current values whenever the card is activated. Jun 23 06:55:15 damn I just updated this device to 0.4.9 Jun 23 06:56:03 jhoweb: any reason why 1.4.2 was left at -46 instead of going to -50 ? Jun 23 06:56:18 oops Jun 23 06:56:24 where is that? Jun 23 06:56:30 I thought I double checked Jun 23 06:56:37 uber Jun 23 06:56:54 no Jun 23 06:57:06 do you want to fix it or do you want me to? Jun 23 06:57:43 you do it, I was just looking Jun 23 06:58:32 k Jun 23 06:59:36 ok, we might get some more reliable usage reports from Govnah 0.4.10 ... Jun 23 06:59:47 since it no longer lies as much Jun 23 07:01:19 fixed Jun 23 07:01:36 lies about what? Jun 23 07:01:56 when did lying become a bad thing? Jun 23 07:02:36 jhoweb: we should probably change the description on Warthog so it doesn't read the same as Uber in the first two lines. Jun 23 07:03:14 jhoweb: if you had the period set to 1 minute, and then turned the screen off and on, it showed the values from up to a minute ago. Similarly if you changed the profile. Jun 23 07:03:29 k Jun 23 07:03:34 changing descriptions now Jun 23 07:03:53 btw I changed warthog to say For more information, visit ${HOMEPAGE} Jun 23 07:03:59 clickable link ftw Jun 23 07:04:09 yep Jun 23 07:05:25 * rwhitby bbl Jun 23 07:06:11 desc changed Jun 23 07:15:04 I'd like to make a suggestion for another feature of Preware. Can you guys, webos-internals, implement the ability to update applications/patches in the background so we can then view other available packages at the same time? Jun 23 07:22:19 * bhuey back Jun 23 07:22:36 rwhitby: turned on compcache Jun 23 07:23:02 it's hovering around 56M of swap right now, regular as far as its slowness Jun 23 07:28:09 bhuey: how many windows do you have open? also watch out for dangling apps. some do not always close. use jstop to see if any are hanging around. for example. i had badkitty hanging in the bg even though i had closed the app and thrown the card away Jun 23 07:28:21 jhoweb: none right now Jun 23 07:28:29 memory is hovering at about 230/55 Jun 23 07:29:38 I turn compcache on by just flipping that switch ? Jun 23 07:33:49 Here are some notes I've jotted down regarding my battery life while using custom kernels. The values are %drainage per hour Jun 23 07:33:52 Interval 60 Seconds\n\n\nF102 Using 3G using wIRC\n36.84%\n\nF104 (64 mb memlimit) using Wifi and only having timepiece open. Running at 800MHz.\n11.Something %\nJust typing a memo\n19.88%\n Jun 23 07:34:09 Cruuud. Let me pretty that up Jun 23 07:34:20 F102 Using 3G using wIRC\n36.84% Jun 23 07:34:33 F104 (64 mb memlimit) using Wifi and only having timepiece open. Running at 800MHz.\n11.Something % Jun 23 07:34:53 Same kernel. Just typing a memo\n19.88% Jun 23 07:35:36 Idk if this is true, but I think something's wrong with my phone's battery consumption. Jun 23 07:44:24 compcache immediatey turns on when you enabled it right ? Jun 23 07:51:21 Yes Jun 23 07:56:13 Is there anything I can do to alleviate this extreme battery drain. I'm jealous of all the people on the thunderchief alpha thread because they have about 7%-9% battery drain per hour on moderate use. Jun 23 07:59:54 Wow, 26.79% while having wirc open and browsing the web. Jun 23 08:04:17 Well if any webos-internals guys read this in logs and would like to help me, please PM me on PreCentral. My user name is gollyzila. Jun 23 08:08:05 chat app is a hog, turn that off if you don't need it Jun 23 08:08:25 there was a point where I was getting 1 percent/hour drain since I was around a strong tower Jun 23 08:08:28 nice Jun 23 08:09:05 rwhitby: this kernel with 16M compcache is smoother Jun 23 08:09:08 more predictable Jun 23 08:09:34 jhoweb, the pixi got to 56 degrees today....45minutes solid of decoding MP3 and playing it out. Jun 23 08:09:42 lol Jun 23 08:09:42 ka6sox-away: yikes Jun 23 08:09:54 56 degrees CPU? Jun 23 08:09:59 or batt? Jun 23 08:10:05 CPU Jun 23 08:10:33 but it held till I could fix the Weed Whacker damage. Jun 23 08:10:36 :D Jun 23 08:10:40 you're going to need a heat gun to resolder the CPU back on or something :) Jun 23 08:11:13 bhuey, dunno about that...hopefully its not that low. Jun 23 08:11:43 got the T1 back up then let it cool off. Jun 23 08:11:51 ka6sox-away: you need liquid nitro and we can try an overclock to 2GHz =) Jun 23 08:11:59 these patches are great if they don't destroy the device Jun 23 08:12:11 I'll let uNiXpSyChO do that :D Jun 23 08:12:20 there's always a tradeoff if you run out of spec Jun 23 08:12:30 indeeed. Jun 23 08:12:40 and going over 500 means you void warranty Jun 23 08:12:42 I think I"ve found the limit of what a pixi can do. Jun 23 08:12:50 ka6sox-away: for now Jun 23 08:12:58 i have some ideas =) Jun 23 08:13:15 1 Stream (192kb MP3), 2 wIRC sessions, 1 Browser session. Jun 23 08:13:21 I don't want to be forced into getting an EVO so these patches help out immensely if they work out Jun 23 08:14:12 as I said in P|C....d00m!!!! Jun 23 08:14:36 (send me the dead ones, I'll see if I can salvage case parts from among the melted ones) Jun 23 09:46:47 OMG so after using wirc a little bit I finally get it... it's awesome Jun 23 09:47:47 10 cards, running a download, ircing, googling things, 800mhz... *webosgasm* Jun 23 10:42:50 bhuey: good to hear you're getting predictable behaviour now Jun 23 11:32:01 hmm Jun 23 11:32:06 my preware hung Jun 23 11:32:15 i wanted to update uberkernel ant it sits on Jun 23 11:32:19 downloading/updating Jun 23 11:32:21 success Jun 23 11:32:30 and the spinning wheel Jun 23 11:35:21 ok got it working Jun 23 13:09:19 Dumb question - how do PDK apps write to the screen? I mean, there's not an X server, right? Jun 23 13:14:35 rwhitby: aww, shucks. :) Jun 23 13:16:31 lordbah: SDL exposes a surface for them to write on Jun 23 13:18:40 I see. In theory I mean - I've never used SDL. Jun 23 13:20:26 you initialize a surface, then you can draw on it like it were a bitmapped image Jun 23 13:20:55 or, if you prefer openGL, you can initialize it as an openGL viewport and draw lines and other things inside of your 3d space Jun 23 13:21:12 oh, amusing, you're in rochester too Jun 23 13:22:20 My X is ancient - from when Motif was new Jun 23 13:23:22 no X involved Jun 23 13:23:32 under it all it's all just directFB Jun 23 13:25:02 I'll need to hunt down some tutorials. In my 'infinite' spare time ... Jun 23 13:37:17 hi, how different are palm-pre and palm-pre plus(like the one sold in france) Jun 23 13:37:20 more precisely Jun 23 13:37:37 I plan to use it to run SHR when telephony will be ready Jun 23 13:37:52 I wonder if harware differences would prevent me to do so Jun 23 13:38:07 because all people doing the port had a normal palm pre Jun 23 13:38:11 not a palm pre plus Jun 23 13:44:19 GNUtoo|laptop: pretty sure it's mainly just RAM and flash changes .. i don't think the baseband modem changed Jun 23 13:44:33 ok thanks a lot Jun 23 13:45:22 was the gesture area concerved? Jun 23 13:59:46 GNUtoo|laptop: they took out the button if that's what you mean Jun 23 13:59:56 ah ok that's all,thanks Jun 23 16:11:19 so webos forces the google maps app to open when you try to go to the web version, but the phone one sucks, and the web one supports street view now. Jun 23 16:11:24 quite a lame situation. Jun 23 16:37:26 mourning Jun 23 17:50:30 any of the team for quake, doom, scummvm or gameboy online today? Jun 23 18:08:39 how can i find out what apps are running in the background? I'd like to know which apps use a data connection while the app is not launched. Jun 23 18:13:30 jstop Jun 23 18:13:36 (the easy answer) Jun 23 18:14:45 that's for apps that use java (im guessing). Does every app use java to do its background process? Jun 23 18:27:50 (javascript)top Jun 23 18:28:12 my bad Jun 23 18:29:06 who leaves 3G data and GPS on? What's your % battery drain per hour while sitting idle? Jun 23 18:29:17 depends on service quality Jun 23 18:30:30 in a good service area, what would the battery drain be? Jun 23 18:34:06 Running F104A kernel. screen on at 800MHz. Only 3G data on. At home with an airave in the next room. initial battery 97%..... Jun 23 18:34:22 drain per hour % 59.40% Jun 23 18:34:34 just sitting idle Jun 23 18:37:15 egaudet_work is there any reason SuperTux can't be packaged up for submission to the app catalog? Jun 23 18:37:36 Does it do anything that breaks the "pdk" rules? Jun 23 18:37:58 oh yeah and memos was open in the background. Tweed is set to check notifications. Jun 23 18:40:13 any german here ?? Jun 23 18:40:19 need help Jun 23 18:41:40 Morning Mousey Jun 23 18:41:49 (almost noon for us!) Jun 23 18:42:00 mornin! Jun 23 18:42:10 (its always morning somewhere!) Jun 23 18:45:09 indeeed Jun 23 18:45:48 You every have any reason to get down this way? Jun 23 18:46:07 Lies Jun 23 18:46:12 Its not afternoon Jun 23 18:46:23 Thats in 14 minutes Jun 23 18:48:34 running at 500MHz with screen off 5.42% Jun 23 18:49:49 evening Jun 23 18:50:15 hey guys Jun 23 18:50:27 hey Jun 23 18:50:38 in the terminal Jun 23 18:50:43 novacom -t open tty:// Jun 23 18:51:00 alright, root of my palm now Jun 23 18:51:04 cd /tmp Jun 23 18:51:24 wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap Jun 23 18:51:29 sh -x preware-bootstrap Jun 23 18:51:33 say no to alphas Jun 23 18:52:14 that seems easier to me than the other thing Jun 23 18:52:23 it's not for everyone Jun 23 18:52:26 but it's easier Jun 23 18:52:28 installed, no errors, so it's working? Jun 23 18:52:35 reboot phone Jun 23 18:52:41 done Jun 23 18:52:43 is there a cmd for that? Jun 23 18:52:56 never tried Jun 23 18:53:07 shutdown? reboot? Jun 23 18:53:13 reboot Jun 23 18:53:14 shutdown Jun 23 18:53:20 that reboots the phone Jun 23 18:53:23 thanks Jun 23 18:53:29 oh ok, i tried that and it didn't say anything Jun 23 18:53:36 but my phone just shut off, nice Jun 23 18:53:40 thanks guys Jun 23 18:53:58 back to #webos Jun 23 19:10:08 Rick_work: I think SuperTux should be good to go, I'll just have to verify it uses type: game Jun 23 19:14:13 Rick_work: it still uses the upstart service, I'll fix it Jun 23 19:38:29 Hello Jun 23 19:39:07 Here with a Preware custom feed problem..... Jun 23 19:39:36 anyone???? Jun 23 19:39:48 yis Jun 23 19:40:19 i added the alpha testing feeds but they will not show up Jun 23 19:41:04 i copied and pasted the URL's exactly, they added, they are turned on, feeds have been updated Jun 23 19:42:51 which feed Jun 23 19:43:42 webos-testing-all and webos-testing-armv7 Jun 23 19:44:24 when i goto available packages and sort by feed all the defaults show up but not these two Jun 23 19:46:03 is the selector switch in the manage feeds section blue and on? Jun 23 19:46:20 and if you tell it to update the feeds do you get any errors? Jun 23 19:46:57 yes, it is on. No errors during feed update Jun 23 20:26:15 jhojho: i saw your thread on codesourcery about the toolchain Jun 23 20:26:36 like i said, you will get aboslutely no different even if the codegen is worse by compiling the kernel with different stuff Jun 23 20:34:55 Quick question - I installed the very first kernel patch which overclocked the pre to 800mhz, and did so using WebOS QI. If I wanted to install the latest kernel patch (for battery and monitoring), what would be the method to do this? (i.e. uninstall the old patch and install the new) Jun 23 20:37:11 Flashpass: uberkernel, SPK, sbromwich, uNiXpSyChO, or warthog? Jun 23 20:38:00 ka6sox-work: Haha, well - which do you suggest? I haven't been keeping up with these changes at all (although I've seen mention to uberkernel a few times) Jun 23 20:38:16 in anycase... Jun 23 20:38:28 install a recovery kernel from the recovery feed. Jun 23 20:38:35 reboot back to stock. Jun 23 20:38:46 then chose your poison. Jun 23 20:39:00 (kernel recovery feed that is. Jun 23 20:39:04 ) Jun 23 20:39:12 I need more monitors Jun 23 20:39:34 Purely because my work desk looks empty Jun 23 20:39:39 if you are in class then you need to be paying attention to class. Jun 23 20:39:40 ka6sox-work: okay so just to be clear - kernel recovery won't require a full wipe or anythign right? Jun 23 20:39:57 im not in class.... I'm just lazy and don't want to change it Jun 23 20:40:04 Flashpass, no, just changes out the kernel. Jun 23 20:40:30 überkernel is probably the safest bet Jun 23 20:40:33 Flashpass, that should clear out any "extra" stuff. Jun 23 20:40:39 ka6sox-work: okay, and do you have a suggestion for which kernel to go with? Jun 23 20:40:52 depends on what you are looking for. Jun 23 20:41:38 SCORE! Jun 23 20:41:39 currently I'm working with the warthog strain but then I'm testing things. Jun 23 20:41:46 Two new eps of hells kitchen on hulu Jun 23 20:41:56 UK is the safest bet and performs well. Jun 23 20:42:13 but if you want to be more adventurous there are other options. Jun 23 20:42:51 craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap Jun 23 20:43:07 ka6sox-work: okay, at a high level how do they differ? Jun 23 20:43:10 I MAY have just sorta unplugged a surge protector.... Jun 23 20:43:55 Flashpass, I'm sure I'll bungle up the featuresets so best to look @ the wiki. Jun 23 20:45:24 jhojho, linpack2.pixi 55219 -49 kernel. Jun 23 20:45:24 ka6sox-work: okay, thanks for the help Jun 23 20:47:24 * uNiXpSyChO has 1.2GHz kernel that beats that. Jun 23 20:47:36 k Jun 23 20:47:46 so no appreciable difference Jun 23 20:51:47 i thought you said 1.2 was unstable? Jun 23 20:52:06 not at 1.5v Jun 23 20:52:11 muhahahahaha Jun 23 20:52:15 lol Jun 23 20:52:29 but it is a nice hand warmer Jun 23 20:52:30 how long does that last? 10 mins? Jun 23 20:52:56 whats good? Jun 23 20:52:58 and users complain about battery life *now*? Jun 23 20:54:02 you said you have 1.05 at 1.35v right? Jun 23 20:54:48 i think thats what it was... cant remember right now and too lazy to bring up that peice of code Jun 23 20:56:02 uNiXpSyChO, @ 1.2Ghz its like Thermite. Jun 23 20:56:49 there's nothing like a thermite grenade Jun 23 20:57:04 those things are hard to set off Jun 23 20:57:05 true...our chem prof made some. Jun 23 20:57:20 it was very hard to set off. Jun 23 20:57:21 * halfhalo_class whistles... Jun 23 20:57:55 we blow them up a lot Jun 23 20:58:00 and it's a pita to set off Jun 23 20:59:23 yeah take that to #fbi ktnx. Jun 23 20:59:56 thats more up the sleeve of the atf Jun 23 21:00:03 its just a fast oxidizer Jun 23 21:00:15 aluminum rust. Jun 23 21:00:44 aluminum doesnt rust Jun 23 21:01:13 duh Jun 23 21:01:53 aluminium and iron oxide Jun 23 21:02:36 acydlord, yes it does...we just don't call it rust Jun 23 21:02:43 it oxidizes. Jun 23 21:05:09 gotta find that mythbusters episode...they did something on that. Jun 23 21:05:11 :D Jun 23 21:05:39 wierd stuff. Jun 23 21:06:41 heh Jun 23 21:09:09 they built a blimp with thermite Jun 23 21:09:26 and played with it in some other episode Jun 23 21:09:31 is the uberkernel icon necessary or can the app be deleted? Jun 23 21:09:48 they recreated the hindenburg, and then built one using thermite, good episode Jun 23 21:17:28 Flashpass eh? Jun 23 21:18:20 Flashpass that represents the installed kernel. i think you we need that for the next OTA update in 2011 Jun 23 21:18:22 oc80z: When installing uberkernel is puts an icon/app in the launcher, is it necessary to have that installed for everything to function properly? Jun 23 21:18:47 oc80z: 2011...yikes haha Jun 23 21:19:20 yeah should be easier to uninstall on-the-run for people w/o an updated WOSQI Jun 23 21:19:27 (when that OTA comes down the pipe) Jun 23 21:19:48 yeah where is my flash? my buddy messaged me a vimeo clip over facebook chat Jun 23 21:19:56 and said, oh, sorry, i thought you had a nokia. Jun 23 21:19:57 :( Jun 23 21:21:17 haha Jun 23 21:21:21 flash would be awesome Jun 23 21:27:42 heh. ill throw this device away if not. Jun 23 21:27:52 adobe is a fucking scam. Jun 23 21:29:15 acydlord, I was wrong to jump on you like that...I'm sorry. Jun 23 21:29:32 no u weren't Jun 23 21:29:33 :P Jun 23 21:38:53 ohohoh! I have enough money this month to pay off my cc! Jun 23 21:39:06 sweet Jun 23 21:39:36 * halfhalo_class doesn't like to carry balance's from month to month on his cc Jun 23 21:43:48 hells kitchen would be so much worse if someone dosed that guys coffee with sleeping pills... but so much funnier Jun 23 21:57:23 folks Jun 23 21:57:31 rwhitby: yeah, the compcache kernel is working ok Jun 23 21:57:43 still have yet ot experiment with the values though Jun 23 21:58:10 have you folks thought about changging the page size for the kernel as well ? might blow up some device drivers though Jun 23 21:58:27 and is the swap compressed in general now with the changes ? Jun 23 21:58:38 everything seems smoother Jun 23 21:58:51 uNiXpSyChO: ping Jun 23 22:08:20 * uNiXpSyChO destination-unreachable Jun 23 22:13:15 ka6sox-work: installing a recovery kernel is not enough to remove pre-preware-packaging kernels. Advise people to Doctor instead please. Jun 23 22:13:28 Flashpass: ^^ Jun 23 22:14:11 ya, I realize that now... Jun 23 22:14:15 thanks. Jun 23 22:14:16 Recovery kernel cannot fix the uncontrolled LunaSysMgr patching that SPK-style kernels did, because we cannot redistribute that Palm binary Jun 23 22:14:36 interesting. Jun 23 22:25:54 rwhitby: compcache change are working. the device is smoother overall Jun 23 22:26:34 looks like there are some complaints about the latest warthog Jun 23 22:26:54 amazing what changing those numbers can do. I don't know why it wasn't done before Jun 23 22:26:55 2 reports of 3d apps not loading. can anyone else test and confirm? Jun 23 22:27:07 which ? Jun 23 22:27:09 I have doom and quake Jun 23 22:27:12 both work fine Jun 23 22:27:18 on warthog? Jun 23 22:27:21 -50? Jun 23 22:27:32 also, been getting sound stuttering as well Jun 23 22:27:41 which startling but acceptable Jun 23 22:28:03 which kernel pls. Jun 23 22:28:44 uNiXpSyChO: have you thought about using different page sizes or does compcahe work independently of page size ? Jun 23 22:29:30 http://lwn.net/Articles/334649/ Jun 23 22:29:33 artcile on the topic Jun 23 22:29:49 article on the topic regarding compcache for those that don't know what it is Jun 23 22:29:52 just found it Jun 23 22:33:03 Ok this is a silly question Jun 23 22:33:05 how do you use twitter Jun 23 22:33:09 like i want to /contact/ someone on it Jun 23 22:33:13 can i send a message? or an email? Jun 23 22:33:49 think of it as a bulletin board, you can call someone but they may or may not answer Jun 23 22:34:01 you can send a public message by doing '@name message' or a private message by doing 'd name message' Jun 23 22:34:41 d name message Jun 23 22:34:42 got it Jun 23 22:34:48 does 'name' have to have the @? Jun 23 22:34:56 and what is the difference between an @ and a #? Jun 23 22:35:06 only for replies does it need the Jun 23 22:35:16 err replies/public messages it needs the @ Jun 23 22:35:23 # is a hashtag for linking topics Jun 23 22:35:39 bhuey: we have that article listed in the description of the latest kernels that contain compcache Jun 23 22:36:55 wait i can't send a direct message to someone who isn't following me? Jun 23 22:37:03 rwhitby: ok Jun 23 22:37:25 zsoc, nope, but you can send them a reply Jun 23 22:37:28 rwhitby: my pre has been up abou a day now without TMC warnings Jun 23 22:37:45 zsoc, this page has all the info Jun 23 22:37:54 third section has specifics for use types Jun 23 22:37:56 acydlord: well how the hell do i contact someone? i would be happy sending them an email... is there an 'about' or 'profile' page? :p Jun 23 22:37:57 rwhitby: 16Mbyes in size btw Jun 23 22:37:58 http://support.twitter.com/groups/31-twitter-basics Jun 23 22:38:05 acydlord: ty Jun 23 22:38:33 zsoc basically you have to send them a reply by 2name message, ask them to follow you or dm you their contact info Jun 23 22:38:46 my left shift key hates life Jun 23 22:40:27 acydlord: so when I @name someone, they get a notification pretty instantly? like a reply sort of thing? Jun 23 22:40:41 bhuey: a key thing to check is response time to phone calls and whether email and messaging background services are working well Jun 23 22:40:54 since those will be the things affected by stuff being in slow swap space Jun 23 22:41:06 and probably audio stuttering as you've already experienced Jun 23 22:41:19 zsoc it depends on their settings, generally anyone on top of their twitter will notice it, doesnt give a notification per se unless they use a twitterc client Jun 23 22:44:01 rwhitby: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/05/official-hp-slate-will-run-webos/ Jun 23 22:44:10 wired article on the slate running webos Jun 23 22:44:32 oh, old article Jun 23 22:44:40 screw me Jun 23 22:45:00 jhoweb: Unrolled Single Precision 58192 Kflops ; 100 Reps Jun 23 22:45:05 1.2GHz Jun 23 22:45:35 ha ha ha...it takes a 2X overclocked Pre to beat a Pixi :P Jun 23 22:45:40 Go Pixi! Jun 23 22:45:44 boooooooo Jun 23 22:47:36 yeah, it's surprising how much faster pixi is at certain things Jun 23 22:48:37 mwhahaha Jun 23 22:48:51 i need to get me a pixi and overclock that! Jun 23 22:49:21 i dunno if you'll be able to Jun 23 22:49:36 the modem is in charge of everything on pixi Jun 23 22:49:51 darn heck! Jun 23 22:49:59 yup Jun 23 22:50:05 x Jun 23 22:50:14 "mother may I have a clock" Jun 23 22:50:15 :D Jun 23 22:50:29 beelzabub: really? that's a bummer Jun 23 22:51:14 uNiXpSyChO: http://github.com/pershoot/nexus-kernel/blob/master/acpuclock-scorpion.c Jun 23 22:51:39 jhoweb, dualing controllers...never a good thing. Jun 23 22:51:54 thats for a snapdragon Jun 23 22:51:59 i know Jun 23 22:52:15 but i remember seeing one for msm too Jun 23 22:52:18 somewhere. Jun 23 22:52:40 depends on which msm Jun 23 22:52:51 the hero was overclocked the same way Jun 23 22:53:04 * rwhitby bbl Jun 23 22:53:14 well pixi is msm7627 and there is hardly any info out there. Jun 23 22:53:27 i've been digging and maybe your google foo is better Jun 23 22:53:45 got a license from Qualcomm? Jun 23 22:54:38 did i mention how fast this thing is at 1.2GHz? Jun 23 22:54:38 NO Jun 23 22:54:53 sunspider? Jun 23 22:54:59 coremark? Jun 23 22:55:03 damn you and sunspider! Jun 23 22:55:20 use coremark.2010a.exe Jun 23 22:55:22 he he Jun 23 22:55:32 ewww..2010? Jun 23 22:55:47 I want someone to confirm that warthog-50 breaks 3d apps Jun 23 22:56:18 2010a.exe gave me a floating point exeception last night on warthog-50 Jun 23 22:56:20 depending on compiler options it could break games. Jun 23 22:57:15 -Os -march=arm7v-a -mtune=cortex-a8 -mcpu=cortex-a8 Jun 23 23:01:13 sunspider ~9ms Jun 23 23:06:09 jhoweb: let me check, I have it installed Jun 23 23:06:41 Nice Jun 23 23:07:38 3d games not launching here Jun 23 23:08:04 gak Jun 23 23:08:44 i havent tried Uberkernel-50 yet, but it has same flags, right? Jun 23 23:08:52 oh wait Jun 23 23:09:08 yes Jun 23 23:09:13 but different toolchain Jun 23 23:09:32 which chain did you use for warthog-50? Jun 23 23:09:39 UK-50 uses 2007 toolchain and warthog-50 uses 2010 Jun 23 23:12:43 is there any disadvantage to using the older tools? Jun 23 23:13:28 2010 by itself doesnt break games Jun 23 23:13:50 no Jun 23 23:13:57 it seems to be 2010+kernel Jun 23 23:13:58 =) Jun 23 23:14:34 well my 1st F102A used 2010 and it played games fine... until you reported 2010 was slower. Jun 23 23:15:39 3d games> Jun 23 23:15:41 ? Jun 23 23:15:45 yep Jun 23 23:15:53 must be the flags Jun 23 23:16:11 okay, I just kicked off a -51 commit. Jun 23 23:16:18 lets see if this one is better Jun 23 23:16:36 swtiching to -Os -march=arm7v-a -mtune=cortex-a8 Jun 23 23:16:53 I saw some issues when trying to build the pixi with -mcpu Jun 23 23:17:10 the pixi builds with only -march and -mtune right now Jun 23 23:17:24 too bad no way to test if 3d games has issues on pixi (yet) Jun 23 23:17:52 2010 is slower for compiling linpack Jun 23 23:17:57 what issues? Jun 23 23:18:09 have some suggestions from the codesourcery guys, will be testing later Jun 23 23:18:26 uNiXpSyChO: it would not compile =) cant remember the error Jun 23 23:18:37 but went away as soon as I removed mcpu Jun 23 23:19:04 -march and mcpu dont all have the same cpu defs Jun 23 23:21:39 uNiXpSyChO: would be interesting if you get a floatingpoint exception using coremark.pre.2010a.exe Jun 23 23:23:42 you taking default compile flags? Jun 23 23:24:20 ? Jun 23 23:24:20 remember compilng RISC code is diff then CISC Jun 23 23:24:58 coremark will emit the flags it was compiled with. Jun 23 23:25:12 those settings came from a chap at TI Jun 23 23:25:18 ah Jun 23 23:25:47 ah I remember the diff now Jun 23 23:26:21 coremark.2010 set mfloat-abi=soft and coremark.2010a set mfloat-abi=softfp Jun 23 23:26:51 afaik mfloat-abi=soft means its all emulated Jun 23 23:29:08 i dont know ARM that well but on other big brother RISC cpus if you compile it wrong it may run but you'll get alot of unaligned access errors in the background. Jun 23 23:42:36 any progress on why pdk apps are broken in the newest build of warthog? Jun 23 23:44:00 http://gizmodo.com/5571171/iphone-4-loses-reception-when-you-hold-it-by-the-antenna-band Jun 23 23:44:08 lol Jun 23 23:44:41 fucking iTarded. Jun 23 23:44:48 my guess is that's why they are going to sell a lot of those "bumper" cases Jun 23 23:45:00 piece of shit hardware and software -- fuck apple. Jun 23 23:45:15 ouch Jun 23 23:45:19 wusaint, dunno about progress but you are the 3rd person to report it :D Jun 23 23:45:21 * Mousey echos distaste for the fruit shaped company Jun 23 23:45:22 so touching the antenna makes it worse Jun 23 23:45:36 the palm pre is tough as a fucking i7100 nextel. Jun 23 23:45:40 GRR Jun 23 23:45:56 nothing is touch like Nextel phones Jun 23 23:45:59 tough Jun 23 23:47:01 ka6ust thought I'd log in and see if there is anything I can do torchie sox-work Jun 23 23:47:11 whoops Jun 23 23:47:13 huh Jun 23 23:47:31 sorry kiddo grabbed my pre Jun 23 23:47:34 hrm.. :/ Jun 23 23:47:37 he he Jun 23 23:47:51 and here I thought the iphone 4 had the greatest build quality of all time Jun 23 23:48:09 uNiXpSyChO my i7100 -- ran over front and rear tire of a 2004 crown vic, 20% screen cracked. Jun 23 23:48:34 torchie yeah, who did you hear that from, apple? Jun 23 23:48:41 yeah. Jun 23 23:48:50 k Jun 23 23:48:53 wusaint: kicked off a new build. it's compiling now. Jun 23 23:48:54 I mean they have the gorilla glass and the stainless steel band and such Jun 23 23:49:34 bbl food Jun 23 23:49:42 heh. Jun 23 23:49:57 thats like saying, i get my foreign news from the foreign US embassy. Jun 23 23:50:14 oc80z, I had a 7100 for like 3yrs. Jun 23 23:50:17 ihoweb: sweet! if there's anything you need just give me shout Jun 23 23:50:18 in the meantime here are all the builds of warthog Jun 23 23:50:25 no Pre/Pixi for Nextel though ;( Jun 23 23:50:29 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/1.4.1/ Jun 23 23:50:43 ka6sox-work -- was @_@ re: iden android.. Jun 23 23:50:44 try installing -49 using wosqi Jun 23 23:51:00 android os is fucking stupid, imho. Jun 23 23:51:02 will do as soon as I get home Jun 23 23:51:20 i hate it, i hate the android live os. Jun 23 23:51:26 I'm a bit scared, I feel like my pre's gonna fall apart tomorrow Jun 23 23:51:29 jhoweb, -51 out? Jun 23 23:51:30 uninstall -50 first Jun 23 23:51:30 there's no way to go backwards unless you do it manually Jun 23 23:52:00 really? Jun 23 23:52:10 fall apart? damn. Jun 23 23:52:14 android live? Jun 23 23:52:15 listen to this, Jun 23 23:53:11 lesee how much wirc drains the batt Jun 23 23:53:24 hrm nvm. Jun 23 23:53:43 jhojho ur settings are on wifi? Jun 23 23:53:51 and the cpu is set default? Jun 23 23:53:53 I can tell you that decoding 192kb MP3's on a pixi sure heats it up! Jun 23 23:54:14 ka6sox-work have you done any encoding on it? Jun 23 23:54:41 no, I was using it for streaming yesterday and it got quite warm. Jun 23 23:54:46 56deg. Jun 23 23:55:08 ok. once again thanx guys Jun 23 23:55:22 yeaaaa wusaint Jun 23 23:55:41 @ka6 just change the cpu speed, eh? Jun 23 23:56:14 /media/internal was 20% fragmented. Jun 23 23:56:16 oc80z: ummm ok lol Jun 23 23:59:30 hey whos programming pre pptp app? Jun 24 00:00:08 oc80z, I don't have controll of the clock Jun 24 00:00:13 it does what it wants Jun 24 00:00:38 whaa? its not set @ 500? Jun 24 00:01:05 500-600 it steps around Jun 24 00:01:18 but it sounded good. Jun 24 00:01:51 well keep it at 500! Jun 24 00:02:04 download govnah, set that speed, Jun 24 00:02:07 "mother may I have a clock" Jun 24 00:03:24 hello Jun 24 00:03:51 hello. Jun 24 00:04:02 hey uNiXpSyChO Jun 24 00:04:09 can anyone help me with the command to restart the ppp adapter? Jun 24 00:04:26 like for a cron job Jun 24 00:04:32 fundy may be the ifconfig command. Jun 24 00:04:40 are you talking about the radio? Jun 24 00:04:50 ya Jun 24 00:05:29 occasionally i have to reboot the phone because the internet isnt working or pages are not loading Jun 24 00:05:39 uNiXpSyChO is there any vbox images w/ ide+sdk+java pre-loaded on em? Jun 24 00:05:57 sometimes if i turn it to airplane mode and back it will clear it up too Jun 24 00:06:00 (can we vbox->vbox?) Jun 24 00:06:08 i have no idea? i'm just a kernel guy. Jun 24 00:06:29 uNiXpSyChO i have to say, its going well for govnah, you devving that too? Jun 24 00:06:41 i hear a new alpha is coming out for uber? Jun 24 00:07:06 i dont do userspace apps Jun 24 00:07:17 er.. minor release revision Jun 24 00:07:35 or is it major revision? Jun 24 00:08:03 fundy ok, well what times u want the crontab to run? Jun 24 00:08:15 lets say 30 mins Jun 24 00:08:16 Hmm - holding a phone by the metal antenna changes it's reception characteristics. Who woulda thought? Sigh. Jun 24 00:08:53 every 30 mins it just resets the connection then and i wont have to bother with manually doing it Jun 24 00:08:55 fundy do you think its a memory issue? Jun 24 00:09:09 no Jun 24 00:09:24 Oh, and holding it by the GPS/Bluetooth antenna only doesn't affect the cellular reception. What an amazing discovery by gizmodo engineers! Jun 24 00:09:38 some times when the pre is under heavy swapping, it wont pull an ip stack as quick Jun 24 00:09:49 what hook are you on, sprint? Jun 24 00:10:09 apps still work fine the web just isnt loading. i think going into and out of the airplane mode solves it so thats why Jun 24 00:10:42 i think it might be my area too Jun 24 00:10:46 I love the latest comment on that article: "So, "basic physics" is somehow news?" :) Jun 24 00:10:56 i go to roaming often Jun 24 00:11:39 try and keep the phone off roam , and sprint only. Jun 24 00:12:03 well then i wont get calls when im in a roam area Jun 24 00:12:49 well, you can use that new app, that will change the settings of your phone, depending on your GPS fix. Jun 24 00:12:55 is it not possible to do what i am asking? Jun 24 00:14:05 cycle.sh ps | grep ps | if true { ifconfig ppp0 down ; ifconfig ppp0 up } Jun 24 00:14:24 dose anyone know if theres an antani booster for the pre? Jun 24 00:14:47 30 0 0 0 0 /var/home/root/cycle.sh Jun 24 00:14:49 ok can you give me a small explanation of what that does? Jun 24 00:15:35 why cant we fix the roam issue? Jun 24 00:15:42 instead of draining your battery Jun 24 00:15:57 my area has alot of hills and valleys and rural Jun 24 00:16:04 i have an extended battery Jun 24 00:16:25 its just the internet use hangs up once in a while Jun 24 00:16:38 so i thought this would be easier Jun 24 00:16:41 fundy: i have 4 batteryes for my pre now Jun 24 00:17:08 it lasts a weekend if i turn off eveything and put screen to 10% Jun 24 00:18:15 im not away from a charger long enough to worry with the extended Jun 24 00:18:30 when i had the oem battery i did Jun 24 00:18:32 i help out at scouts so im camping a lot Jun 24 00:19:30 ^---- road/forest warriors Jun 24 00:19:35 aight so whats the deal Jun 24 00:19:39 hey egaudet -- u there? Jun 24 00:20:11 guy here wants to cycle ppp0 like, every 30min | hilly/vally -- cycles roam/sprint, looses net. Jun 24 00:20:44 fundy install terminal Jun 24 00:20:45 oc80z: yours should work ? Jun 24 00:20:49 or terminus Jun 24 00:20:57 i like terminal better. Jun 24 00:21:27 and then just run the command? why when the cron can just do it? Jun 24 00:21:46 well -- can we just take it 1 step at a time? Jun 24 00:22:04 well sure Jun 24 00:24:26 oc80z im not sure how to apply the command you gave me Jun 24 00:25:38 dont use that, Jun 24 00:26:34 ok whats it do? Jun 24 00:27:24 do you have preware? Jun 24 00:27:31 /msg Jun 24 00:27:51 yes Jun 24 00:28:34 use /msg dude, this conversation is killing the channel. Jun 24 00:28:49 ok Jun 24 00:51:10 oc80z, sup? Jun 24 00:52:19 nada, fundy wants to solve a roam/sprint issue Jun 24 00:54:01 you think cycling the interface would solve this? it did not seem to change the EVDO/CDMA icon for me. Jun 24 00:54:23 essentially, cycling airplane mode fixes the internet issue. Jun 24 00:55:16 roam/sprint issue? Jun 24 00:55:51 So, who thinks Uber-50 and Govnah 0.4.10 is ready for primetime? Jun 24 00:56:01 not yet Jun 24 00:56:23 screenstate update? Jun 24 00:56:32 (not sure if hes not getting IP, or updated DNS, or Route, or anything) Jun 24 00:56:49 yep...since you mentioned a "feature" that needed to be fixed ;P Jun 24 00:57:00 Govnah is not ready Jun 24 00:57:10 oc80z: Govnah 0.4.10 ? Jun 24 00:57:24 ondemand still flaps the CPU Jun 24 00:57:41 please explain? Jun 24 00:58:25 fresh webos install + govnah , ondemand enabled -- the cpu graph looks likea heartbeat between 500/600mhz Jun 24 00:58:29 (and note that the ondemand governor operation is part of the standard Linux kernel, and is not affected by the Govnah application in any way other than setting configuration parameters. Jun 24 00:58:52 as the graph should look like Jun 24 00:58:55 i am not running any/new uber, yet. Jun 24 00:59:08 yep, that would be expected for that scenario. Jun 24 00:59:24 uNiXpSyChO i am just arguing the cpu should remain at 500mhz when user is idle. Jun 24 00:59:34 the act of polling the CPU for temperature, frequency, load averages, time in state, etc. is far from idle. Jun 24 00:59:43 but the user may be idle but the background isnt Jun 24 00:59:53 yeah, what he said Jun 24 01:00:13 in govnah -> governor settings -> settings Jun 24 01:00:14 dbus is very busy. Jun 24 01:00:15 And if you have the Govnah application set to poll and graph every second, and update icons, then it's probably doing an instantaneous load average of 4 or so Jun 24 01:00:36 is the 'repeated settings' bug fixed? Jun 24 01:00:50 you tell me :) Jun 24 01:01:16 settings handling has been completely revamped in .9 and .10 Jun 24 01:01:47 hmm Jun 24 01:01:53 i dont think it is, should i screen shot it? Jun 24 01:01:58 yep Jun 24 01:02:02 oh, werd. Jun 24 01:02:22 whats it, orange, alt , p? Jun 24 01:02:28 anything you can reproduce in 0.4.10 is of keen interest to me Jun 24 01:03:37 org, sym, p Jun 24 01:04:20 oc80z may i steal your attention for a second? Jun 24 01:04:23 in the msg Jun 24 01:05:25 http://i45.tinypic.com/2a8gg08.png Jun 24 01:09:00 ok, what are the steps to reproduce this? Jun 24 01:11:25 sup Jun 24 01:11:55 this is a factory kernel Jun 24 01:13:27 i have the facebook chat patch -- few dozen apps -- that skrim+theme -- some tetherapp.exe Jun 24 01:13:51 to reproduce Jun 24 01:13:53 run preware Jun 24 01:14:39 during one of the bigger db decompression/importing , launch govnah Jun 24 01:17:02 fundy how much was that extended battery? Jun 24 01:20:00 like 50 bucks Jun 24 01:22:32 mm Jun 24 01:22:40 2TB are about $50 or so now. Jun 24 01:22:42 :P Jun 24 01:23:37 btw, this ifconfig down/up thing... does not replicate cycling airplane mode. Jun 24 01:24:14 doesn't airplane mode power OFF all radios? Jun 24 01:24:56 ok trying this as I think I was disconnected Jun 24 01:25:05 does ifconfig down poweroff the radio? Jun 24 01:25:15 or does is it , no shut. Jun 24 01:25:35 warthog-51 is out. can someone install to confirm if 3D is still broken? Jun 24 01:25:48 is it in the testing feed? Jun 24 01:25:54 yes Jun 24 01:26:02 jhowirc: what was breaking 3D ? Jun 24 01:26:30 rwhitby: dunno. trying to narrow things down Jun 24 01:26:42 it's not a prob with uk Jun 24 01:26:48 fundy i would just use the script to 'cycle' the radio, Jun 24 01:26:50 oc80z: what polling rate were you using in Govnah 0.4.10 to reproduce the repeated settings? Jun 24 01:27:00 jhowirc: nod Jun 24 01:27:06 rather I think it is an issue with the 2010 toolchain Jun 24 01:27:09 5 mins left till it executes Jun 24 01:27:13 rwhitby 10 seconds. Jun 24 01:27:38 2010 seems .... uneven Jun 24 01:27:41 ...its messed now, no settings are showing (recycling the feeds in preware) Jun 24 01:28:45 oc80z: um, that screenshot is not from 0.4.10 Jun 24 01:28:54 rwhitby wasn't sure if I was reading this right but is preware only compiled with -g? Jun 24 01:29:17 oc80z but that will cause it to renew the ip right Jun 24 01:29:32 oc80z: what version of Govnah are you running? Jun 24 01:30:00 4.9 Jun 24 01:30:22 ok, please reproduce on 0.4.10 Jun 24 01:31:39 ahh Jun 24 01:32:51 on the way Jun 24 01:33:58 win. Jun 24 01:35:02 its fixed, we are all happy. Jun 24 01:35:54 how do i make it run as root? Jun 24 01:39:36 I forget Jimmy Fallon is on the air still until Engadget reminds me Jun 24 01:39:56 at least he has a good band Jun 24 01:40:04 that belongs on the 1990's coolsiteoftheday.com Jun 24 01:40:12 how do i make it run as root? Jun 24 01:40:32 you should already be root? Jun 24 01:40:53 rwhitby if i am loading package , i cannot manage/add new feeds Jun 24 01:41:15 do i just chmod the file? Jun 24 01:41:21 :P Jun 24 01:43:01 jhowirc hang loose Jun 24 01:45:54 werd Jun 24 01:48:29 herrr goes, bbiab. smoke. Jun 24 01:48:41 rwhitby id drop $20 on govnah boiii Jun 24 01:49:34 oc80z: we have a donation paypal address specifically to allow for people to do that ;) Jun 24 01:50:35 jhowirc: it's quite possible that Preware has non-optimised compilation flags. All of the significant processing is done in the javascript. Jun 24 01:51:20 hey all. I tried uberkernel and my incoming telephony audio doesn't work. is that a known issue, or is there something to apply after uberkernel? Jun 24 01:51:53 I've since reverted to stock Jun 24 01:52:19 and that issue doesn't exist Jun 24 01:53:13 if there's a wiki please link me to it Jun 24 01:54:20 Shiggitay|Pre: so you have a repeatable test case and have repeated it three times without changing anything else? Jun 24 01:54:50 (your's is the first report of audio problems) Jun 24 01:55:21 well I applied uk and then I got some system util Jun 24 01:56:01 I reverted kernels and I didn't remove that util Jun 24 01:56:15 please install uk, test, uninstall uk, test, install uk, test, uninstall uk, test. without doing anything else or changing the environment in any way. Jun 24 01:56:37 I shall when I get home Jun 24 01:56:49 thanks. which version of UK? Jun 24 01:57:16 the one availabe from preware Jun 24 01:57:39 I wanted it for the overclock to 800 mhz Jun 24 01:57:56 there are at least 5 different versions available in preware, and the list of versions has changed 3 times in the last 48 hours. Jun 24 01:58:01 which specific version please. Jun 24 01:58:18 does govnah+ondemand floor the cpu to 800 ? Jun 24 01:58:25 er... while listening to music? Jun 24 01:58:48 oc80z: let's get this straight. govnah sets some kernel parameters and then gets out of the way. Jun 24 02:00:00 rwhitby: I can't recall. I'm on the bus on the way home. I'll check when I have acces to my computers Jun 24 02:00:12 access* Jun 24 02:00:29 right, does the music player trigger govnahs default on-demand setting to increase cpu? Jun 24 02:00:48 huh? Jun 24 02:02:52 oc80z: it's not govnah's on-demand setting. ondemand is a standard linux kernel govnernor module. The Govnah app plays no part at all in what the CPU does, other than set the values of the parameters to that kernel module in the way that you ask it to. Jun 24 02:03:48 oc80z: what documentation of the standard Linux ondemand cpufreq module parameters have you read so far? Jun 24 02:04:25 all. Jun 24 02:05:33 i am just arguing govnah should come with an additional setting for music/youtube/games Jun 24 02:06:04 pardon? Jun 24 02:06:14 did you not read the sentence i just wrote? Jun 24 02:06:27 "The Govnah app plays no part at all in what the CPU does, other than set the values of the parameters to that kernel module in the way that you ask it to." Jun 24 02:07:03 Govnah supplies direct access to all the parameters available for the ondemand kernel module. Jun 24 02:07:42 processes that are executed with nice , will be ignored. Jun 24 02:07:48 So how, pray tell, are you expecting the Govnah app to magically be able to change the behaviour of the kernel? Jun 24 02:08:03 magic? Jun 24 02:08:18 no. Jun 24 02:08:23 (other than allowing you to change the set of parameters that it already exposes to you in any way you desire) Jun 24 02:08:35 (which it does already) Jun 24 02:18:37 pulse audio is 10% Jun 24 02:18:37 and it skips to 25% Jun 24 02:18:37 flooring on-demand. Jun 24 02:18:37 i heart hulu Jun 24 02:18:38 looks like ignore_nice_load 0 Jun 24 02:18:38 jhowirc sup Jun 24 02:18:38 -51 work? Jun 24 02:18:38 so far so good. Jun 24 02:18:46 i dont see an icon for the installed kernel. Jun 24 02:18:51 3D games work for you? Jun 24 02:19:11 you may not be running warthog then Jun 24 02:19:15 ill launch need for speed. Jun 24 02:19:26 check /proc/version Jun 24 02:19:31 ..yikes Jun 24 02:20:09 warthog v1.4.1-51 Jun 24 02:20:20 3d game didnt launch. Jun 24 02:20:50 ok Jun 24 02:27:04 looks like 2010q1 toolchain is bad chicken with the pre kernel. using said flags Jun 24 02:27:28 uNiXpSyChO: what flags did u use to compile F102 using 2010 Jun 24 02:49:32 Guys, this needs to be like an intervention. Talk me out of the Droid X. Jun 24 02:50:27 BeeRad: go for it. in my opinion, anyone who looks at another phone doesn't deserve webOS ;) Jun 24 02:50:48 OH! Jun 24 02:50:56 That cut deep friend......real deep. Jun 24 02:51:18 Its not the OS, its the hardware. Jun 24 02:51:31 lies Jun 24 02:51:38 hack webos onto it :D Jun 24 02:51:40 i want an ipad Jun 24 02:51:48 I want webOS on iP4.....I want webOS on Droid X. Jun 24 02:52:09 get developing Jun 24 02:52:18 Yeah right. Jun 24 02:52:25 ehe Jun 24 02:52:50 one should keep the same phone for at least 3 years Jun 24 02:52:55 Actually, the Dell Lightning is more what I want for the webOS. Nice big screen and still has a portrait slider QWERTY. Jun 24 02:52:56 beggars can't be choosers i guess Jun 24 02:53:07 3 years!? LOL Jun 24 02:53:37 otherwise you never really wanted it in the first place Jun 24 02:53:48 The pre has lasted longer than all my other phones Jun 24 02:53:49 rwhitby: or in your case, the same 4-8 phones :) Jun 24 02:53:52 Rod, the hardware cant keep up with the software as it is. Jun 24 02:54:00 I NEED SERIOUS HELP!!! Jun 24 02:54:03 But then again, I always break my phones Jun 24 02:54:12 WE OFFER SRS HELP! Jun 24 02:54:15 No way an original iPhone is near enough. 3 years old. Jun 24 02:54:26 rcizzle: I'D START WITH YOUR CAPS LOCK KEY Jun 24 02:54:32 (I have no idea how many phones you have.. someone said it was a lot) Jun 24 02:54:44 * halfhalo has 3 webos devices Jun 24 02:54:59 BeeRad: I'm pulling your leg, mate. Jun 24 02:55:19 rwhitby: I know buddy. Jun 24 02:55:28 I just installed preware haven't heard of it til today. My first question is do I need to have developer mode enabled at al times when downloading stuff from preware? Jun 24 02:55:36 no Jun 24 02:55:59 rwhitby: I went to great lengths just to get this Pre Plus. Trust me. Jun 24 02:56:03 was that no for me? Jun 24 02:56:08 Tman: 2 that work as phones, 4 that work over wifi, 1 that half works, 2 in pieces, 1 in transit. Jun 24 02:56:16 yes rcizzle, that no was for you Jun 24 02:56:19 rcizzle: what documentation for Preware have you read so far? Jun 24 02:56:33 rwhitby: lol omg.. why Jun 24 02:57:00 Tman: people keep sending me stuff Jun 24 02:57:12 lol I see Jun 24 02:57:27 also I've been watching videos about a "package manager service". I can't find that anywhere is that older or do I need to do something with that? Jun 24 02:57:45 ignore_nice_load - If '0' (its default), all processes are counted towards the 'cpu utilization' value. When set to '1', the processes that are run with a 'nice' value will not count (and thus be ignored) in the overall usage calculation. Jun 24 02:57:46 * Tman needs to get a pixi plus to test Jun 24 02:57:54 rwhitby: with all of your rebuilding, have you figured out a way to make the slider feel more snug? Tighten it up? Jun 24 02:58:00 rcizzle: thats older versions only Jun 24 02:58:11 I want a pixi plus…. Jun 24 02:58:21 halfhalo: Ditto. Jun 24 02:58:31 rcizzle: read http://install.preware.org/ and ignore all other information on the internet related to Preware Jun 24 02:58:50 BeeRad: who said I've rebuilt anything ;) Jun 24 02:58:52 Ditto what rwhitby just said. Jun 24 02:58:59 ok well how come I tried to download virtual keyboard and it took forever finally I just threw away the preware. I can't get it to work Jun 24 02:59:10 THREW AWAY? Jun 24 02:59:14 *gasp* Jun 24 02:59:21 *tear* Jun 24 02:59:23 rcizzle.. It takes a while to install everything it needs Jun 24 02:59:32 I think he means he closed the card.. relax BeeRad ;p Jun 24 02:59:33 rcizzle: that would be because the virtual keyboard is a big package and takes a long time to install. Jun 24 02:59:47 yea I flipped the preware app away. It says it's downloaded but it's not working Jun 24 02:59:49 Tman: Oh ok. :) Jun 24 02:59:53 I suspect you didn't actually wait "forever". **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 24 02:59:58 2010