**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 24 02:59:58 2010 Jun 24 03:00:19 but if you did grats Jun 24 03:00:23 no exaggeration it was going on half hr Jun 24 03:00:38 maybe the download stalled Jun 24 03:01:18 And since you're talking about Package Manager Service, I suspect you didn't read http://install.preware.org but instead got some other obsolete information from idiots who copy official installation instructions into videos and blog posts and never update them when the official instructions change Jun 24 03:01:23 it said success and installing within 2 minutes than it just stayed on the scren with the installing wheel for a long time Jun 24 03:01:55 yeah, virtual keyboard can take 30 mins to install Jun 24 03:01:56 rwhitby: You dont get a little miffed over the issue do you? Jun 24 03:02:01 ;P Jun 24 03:02:06 I downloaded preware off instruuctions from precentral Jun 24 03:02:13 rcizzle: that was your first mistake Jun 24 03:02:35 precentral employs idiots who write blog posts copying information instead of linking Jun 24 03:02:49 hehe.. outdated instructions were a pita when I first got my pre Jun 24 03:02:50 rwhitby: Ouch. Jun 24 03:02:51 they think it makes their articles better. Jun 24 03:02:53 hahahahaha Jun 24 03:02:57 well I didn't know homie. I think I did it right... Jun 24 03:03:27 rcizzle: not blaming you mate. but now that you know, read http://install.preware.org/ Jun 24 03:04:34 rwhitby u watch the game today? Jun 24 03:04:36 rcizzle: but also feel free not to use Preware. sounds like it might aggravate you too much. Jun 24 03:04:58 oc80z: didn't get a chance to see it, no. Jun 24 03:05:11 got it on disk, maybe watch tonight. Jun 24 03:05:18 I dont think PC means any harm really, I just think they want to be able to have readers read the info right THERE instead of linking them to other sites. I know exactly what you're saying though. The correct info can change at anytime so an old article can be giving out old and FALSE info. Jun 24 03:05:20 oh, espn3.com m8 Jun 24 03:05:33 install.preware.org are the directions I used. And I love preware it's amazing I just learned about it today Jun 24 03:05:45 BeeRad: yep, it's all about advertising revenue. Linking doesn't pay the bills :) Jun 24 03:06:02 rwhitby: harsh reality. Jun 24 03:06:08 but iframe can!! *kidding* Jun 24 03:06:10 rcizzle: sweet. now, apart from virtual keyboard, any other problems? Jun 24 03:07:20 rcizzle: This crowd may be a little harsh with the info, but you learn QUICK with these guys. Keep coming back if you have further issues. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Jun 24 03:07:57 I have run into an issue with my metadoctoring… mainly the fact that I'm to lazy to run git right now Jun 24 03:07:58 my saved package list is filled with all my apps including preware. Couple of the apps real logos are showing and the rest are boxes with a green circle above. That doesn't seem normal Jun 24 03:08:40 rcizzle: if you don't have the palm app catalog feed enabled, it won't know the icons Jun 24 03:09:26 rcizzle: BTW, I'm from Australia - was your use of "homie" a term of endearment or abuse? Jun 24 03:09:46 or just neutral Jun 24 03:09:51 endearment Jun 24 03:09:58 it was endearment. And how do I enable that? Jun 24 03:10:37 rcizzle: did you get a splash screen when Preware ran for the first time? Jun 24 03:11:02 splash screen meaning what? Jun 24 03:11:06 rwhitby: you mean the one I ignore every time? ;P Jun 24 03:12:05 rcizzle: the one on which you clicked the button which said "OK, I've read this, let's continue ..." ... Jun 24 03:12:27 yes I did Jun 24 03:12:43 * halfhalo has never actually read that Jun 24 03:12:46 it would have mentioned the Manage Feeds menu item Jun 24 03:13:11 Oh yeah......btw.....battery life took a hit running 1.05GHz. Isn't that just absurd? lol Jun 24 03:13:14 yea that whole feed thing confused me from the beginning Jun 24 03:13:27 * rwhitby notes halfhalo's device id and puts code in Preware to slowly corrupt his phone Jun 24 03:13:51 again?!?!? Jun 24 03:14:08 I'm fucked Jun 24 03:14:10 BeeRad: almost as absurd as holding the metal antennae on an iPhone 4 causing the reception characteristics to change ... Jun 24 03:14:26 I mean who would have known? Jun 24 03:14:31 No kidding. Jun 24 03:14:31 didn't know this shit was so fucking confusing Jun 24 03:14:35 Phail. Jun 24 03:14:59 Haven't these people ever adjusted rabbit ears on a TV set? Jun 24 03:15:18 rwhitby: is there an article out on that now? Jun 24 03:15:27 rcizzle: It is at first. Trust me, I know most of this stuff and Im still a nOOb. Regardless of what rwhitby says. Jun 24 03:15:33 you guys are real funny Jun 24 03:15:54 * jhojho reads gizmodo Jun 24 03:15:57 * halfhalo just reads source code…. Jun 24 03:16:07 jhojho: http://gizmodo.com/5571171/iphone-4-loses-reception-when-you-hold-it-by-the-antenna-band Jun 24 03:16:17 yea rwhitby is a preware goo roo but how many women has he fucked? Jun 24 03:16:32 Uh. Jun 24 03:16:41 I like chicken. Jun 24 03:16:46 jhojho: it's hard core breaking news. Basic physics is confirmed yet again by Gizmodo. Apple stocks plummet. Jun 24 03:17:03 lol Jun 24 03:17:10 noooo Jun 24 03:17:17 I own aapl stock Jun 24 03:17:20 I want it to do well =) Jun 24 03:17:24 i don't... Jun 24 03:17:52 jhojho: most amazingly, they've determined by empirical results that holding the GPS/bluetooth antennae only has no effect on cellular reception. Jun 24 03:18:38 rwhitby: by empirical, do you mean they even licked it too? wow. Jun 24 03:19:04 question on sqlite DBs, do i create the db on my computer and it gets packaged into the app, or do i just write code to create the db on app startup once it's on the phone? Jun 24 03:19:04 ok so is there a site with up to date information s I can figure out what I'm doing? Jun 24 03:20:16 jhojho: the solution is obvious: http://gizmodo.com/comment/24982739 Jun 24 03:20:41 come on dudes help me out Jun 24 03:20:44 rcizzle: http://bit.ly/preware-1 Jun 24 03:20:57 thank you sir Jun 24 03:21:04 look for a guy with a name similar to mine Jun 24 03:21:27 are you being for real or busting my balls still? Jun 24 03:21:31 but don't ask him about his history of conquests in that thread Jun 24 03:21:56 who busted his balls? show yourselves! Jun 24 03:22:03 I demand to know. Jun 24 03:22:26 * halfhalo gets popcorn Jun 24 03:22:37 lol you guys are sarcastic pricks, keep up the good work Jun 24 03:23:23 Homie, the information has been presented. Its up to you to learn it. Jun 24 03:23:30 * halfhalo takes that as a compliment Jun 24 03:24:31 * rwhitby likes rcizzle, he's fun. Jun 24 03:24:44 Wow. Jun 24 03:25:45 Wolvenhaven: I don't think there's an official way to have a preloaded db in your app, so you need to write code to load it Jun 24 03:25:51 If I ever annoy the crap out of you guys, just have the decency to come out and tell me. haha Jun 24 03:26:13 ok, thanks Jun 24 03:26:14 Not saying anything will come of it, but ya know..... Jun 24 03:26:28 Wolvenhaven: or download it from somewhere I gues Jun 24 03:26:31 i still have a long way to go on this app heh Jun 24 03:27:00 well the db will be empty anyway, i just didn't know if i needed to load a blank formatted db or create on startup Jun 24 03:27:02 Wolvenhaven: I hear Appible LLC have an open source ebook reader that they'd love someone to clone and rebadge. Jun 24 03:27:29 i'm working on an item information app right now for personal use to learn webos Jun 24 03:28:07 https://sourceforge.net/projects/rangebuddy/ Jun 24 03:28:21 * rwhitby notes that his country got a new prime minister overnight, and I had no say in the matter. Jun 24 03:28:43 lol? Jun 24 03:28:45 now you know how we feel, we haven't elected our presidents in the last few decades Jun 24 03:31:54 Wolvenhaven: nice - got a screenshot? Jun 24 03:35:00 I stand by my statement that every sports car should play thunderstruck when pushed to its limits Jun 24 03:36:24 oy oy Jun 24 03:39:19 it should be law Jun 24 03:41:59 rwhitby: i have no css or formatting, it's all bare bones divs right now, it's ugly as sin Jun 24 03:44:03 it also has about 2% functionality, the rest i haven't coded yet Jun 24 03:50:08 Hi. I got WIDK configured last night, and I successfully built doom. I'm trying to build liboauth, and I need zlib, libssl, libcrypt, and libcurl. It looks like curl, openssl (libssl, libcrypt) and zlib are all there Jun 24 03:50:20 does anyone have any advice for how to add liboauth to the build? Jun 24 03:51:51 hborders: add it to packages/common I guess Jun 24 03:53:11 rwhitby: I should stress that I'm a noob, so I need a little hand-holding. Let me make sure I'm straight with the way the system works: the cross-compile environment uses sb2 to create a root fs for the build to run in, right? Jun 24 03:53:25 yep Jun 24 03:53:53 and cross-compiled other packages are staged in an area that then appears as /usr/local in that sb2 environment Jun 24 03:54:32 rwhitby: I don't understand that last statement Jun 24 03:54:42 rwhitby: what do you mean "other packages"? Jun 24 03:57:55 hborders: other libraries Jun 24 03:58:22 rwhitby: what I mean is: I don't see a directory "local" under /srv/preware/cross-compile/staging/armv7/usr/ Jun 24 03:58:36 rwhitby: so what directory gets mapped into that? Jun 24 03:58:39 hborders: right, that's the sb2 magic mapping Jun 24 03:59:04 staging//usr appears as /usr/local when you're in sb2 Jun 24 03:59:32 rwhitby:oooo. I get it Jun 24 04:00:06 rwhitby: so what about other dirs, is the sb2 configuration for them something that you guys configured for WIDK, or is that something that sb2 already had for armv7? Jun 24 04:00:34 which other dirs? Jun 24 04:00:50 sb2 already has all the dirs for the toolchain mapped Jun 24 04:00:58 we just map in /usr/local Jun 24 04:03:28 stuff like /bin, /etc, and so on. I'm just curious if you guys had to configure that yourself, or if sb2 was already set up like that Jun 24 04:04:11 i realize it doesn't matter for me, i'm just curious about how it all works Jun 24 04:04:58 anyways, so you recommended just dropping oauth into packages/common. How do I access that from within the sb2 environment? Jun 24 04:04:59 sb2 was already set up Jun 24 04:05:49 I'm guessing I'll need to be in there to run my build, or else I'll need to add the armv7/usr dirs to my liboauth configure script. Jun 24 04:05:53 hborders: you would need to add a Makefile which builds it from source and stages it. take a look at the other libraries for examples (choose one which is not in webOS by default) Jun 24 04:06:42 ok, i'll take a look at libz and libcurl. those are ones I've actually made myself for i386 Jun 24 04:06:45 thanks Jun 24 04:14:51 uNiXpSyChO: ping Jun 24 04:16:21 cpu0/ondemand/scaling_min_freq -- Unable to set Jun 24 04:16:32 is there a reason that all libs are built as .so's only and not also as static? Jun 24 04:16:35 govnah .10 Jun 24 04:16:58 hb cross comiling Jun 24 04:18:02 I'm assuming that I won't be able to install dynamic libs along with my app when I deploy it, so I was planning on statically linking all the libs my app needs, save for what PDK provides Jun 24 04:18:04 more issues with repeted govnah settings in .10 under powersave profile Jun 24 04:18:32 yeah do it Jun 24 04:19:51 so I thought there was no added benefit over 800 mhz? Jun 24 04:20:07 lies Jun 24 04:20:22 and if that is/was true, why do we now have a testing 1Ghz kernel? Jun 24 04:20:34 why not? Jun 24 04:20:41 why not? Jun 24 04:20:59 I thought back during the first 800 kernel patch they found that there was some other bottleneck Jun 24 04:21:11 we are linux hackers Jun 24 04:21:17 unless they found a way to address that bottleneck Jun 24 04:21:38 I was under the impression it was a hardware bottleneck though, guess I was wrong Jun 24 04:21:53 < linux hacker too Jun 24 04:21:53 post it Jun 24 04:22:08 I will see if I can find the thread Jun 24 04:23:44 still errors with govnah++++ latest version Jun 24 04:24:17 damnit... the author of the original post had it removed... Jun 24 04:24:43 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/238141-b-optimized-webos-1-4-kernel-video-wosqi-720mhz-800-mhz-easy-install-b.html this thread used to have the info I was refrencing... Jun 24 04:25:45 thunderchiefs kernel Jun 24 04:25:47 they stated that they found no added benefiet over 800 due to some other bottleneck... coulda been something that was fixable in the kernel though... Jun 24 04:26:57 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/252133-f105-thunderchief-alpha.html Jun 24 04:30:31 I know what the kernel is, I was just wondering what the original bottleneck was that kept them at 800 and if/how it has been addressed Jun 24 04:32:01 heh Jun 24 04:32:45 cactux: the unable to set error occurs when you try and set a minimum which is more than the current maximum, or a maximum which is more than the current minimum Jun 24 04:33:09 it was not set like that Jun 24 04:33:28 I had multiple menu setting choices Jun 24 04:33:45 restarted the app and it's OK Jun 24 04:33:52 I'm almost sure Jun 24 04:34:21 cactux: right, but the kernel will refuse to accept a new maximum that is less than the current minimum, or a new minimum which is more than the current maximum Jun 24 04:34:30 so you need to change it in two steps Jun 24 04:34:52 k Jun 24 04:35:29 cryptk|wirc: who was the author of the original post? Jun 24 04:36:17 800mhz is bottleneckd Jun 24 04:36:19 it was the other guy who worked on the original 800 patch Jun 24 04:36:22 Its true. and I stand by my previous statement. """ Jun 24 04:36:44 the one that was installed with a shell script. Jun 24 04:37:20 gonna bust out the lappy and see if I can find a copy of the original post on google cache or waybackmachine... Jun 24 04:39:23 cryptk|wirc: marco (unixpsycho) or the other guy? Jun 24 04:39:47 rwhitby: the other guy Jun 24 04:40:06 ok, the other guy who didn't write a single line of code ... Jun 24 04:40:38 yeah, I think he was helping to test it, but I think the bottleneck was found by marco (iirc) Jun 24 04:41:14 there was an assumed bottleneck, cause the I/O out to the rest of the system is obviously limited, but I don't think anyone measured it Jun 24 04:42:18 hang on, lemme get on the comp so I can type easier, lol Jun 24 04:45:50 Anyone got a sec to answer a quick question about Dropbear? Jun 24 04:47:18 alright, much better Jun 24 04:50:43 I can't find a cached copy of the post... I coulda sworn that it said that Marco had run the pre at speeds up to 1GHz already but that testing showed no significant gain at anything over about 800 and that was the reason they settled on 800 for the patch. Jun 24 04:51:01 When I try to create a new dropbearkey it says "Couldn't create new file /home/root/.ssh/id_rsa Reason: no such file or directory" Jun 24 04:51:19 I guess what I am getting at is.... is there a point to the 1GHz kernel in the testing feed or not? other than the normal "because I can" reason Jun 24 04:53:43 globex: I don't use dropbear, sorry... I use OpenSSH Jun 24 04:54:11 Ok. Easier question. In terminal how do I do "Gesture + 2" for the Up key? What's "gesture"? Jun 24 04:54:21 put thumb on gesture area Jun 24 04:54:30 rwhitby: did you ever get ahold of dBsooner about the patches portal? Jun 24 04:54:31 Ok that was easy. :) Jun 24 04:54:43 cryptk: no, I haven't. Jun 24 04:54:58 cryptk: linpack runs faster. real life results are mixed Jun 24 04:55:27 Would doctoring my phone remedy the crazy battery drain I've been experiencing? Jun 24 04:55:32 ahh Jun 24 04:55:38 cryptk: preware loads faster, and that's all that is important :) Jun 24 04:56:04 * Tman wishes Qt fully worked on webos.. life would be soo much easier Jun 24 04:56:11 gollyzila|comp: well, while doctoring your phone would possibly get rid of the cause of the battery drain, it is more than likely not necessary Jun 24 04:56:26 that would be what my boss calls "too much solution" Jun 24 04:56:50 It's just been getting worse and worse with time. Jun 24 04:57:22 I don't think it could be the custom kernels i run because I still have a higher battery drainage compared to other alpha testers Jun 24 04:57:43 but i guess since im an alpha tester, i should expect things like this Jun 24 04:57:54 which kernel are you running currently? Jun 24 04:58:53 F104A starfighter Jun 24 04:59:01 I have noticed my kernel draining faster than normal on Warthog, but I am also on a buisness trip and I tend to use my phone more on trips so I am not sure if it really is draining faster or not Jun 24 04:59:51 i get 36% and above battery drainage per hour when using just 3G Jun 24 05:00:02 running at 800 MHz Jun 24 05:00:35 wow... Jun 24 05:00:39 and that was in a good signal area Jun 24 05:00:49 try reverting back to the stock kernel and see if the drain is still there Jun 24 05:01:03 earlier today i had 7.53% while screen was off running at 500 MHz Jun 24 05:01:25 I never that of that. I try it Jun 24 05:01:41 what's the spelling correction command for IRC again? Jun 24 05:01:56 missspelled Jun 24 05:02:03 s/missspelled/misspelled/ Jun 24 05:02:03 cryptk meant: misspelled Jun 24 05:02:07 that one? Jun 24 05:02:17 it is the same as sed in linux Jun 24 05:02:20 yeah thanks yuo Jun 24 05:02:27 s/yuo/you/ Jun 24 05:02:27 gollyzila|comp meant: yeah thanks you Jun 24 05:02:42 heads up, a woot off just started Jun 24 05:03:07 what's a woot off ? Jun 24 05:03:13 www.woot.com Jun 24 05:03:21 they usually only sell one thing per day Jun 24 05:03:42 every now and then they have a 'woot off' where they put up a new item once the previous item sells out Jun 24 05:03:51 they use them to sell off leftover stock Jun 24 05:04:16 and it is all heavily discounted stuff (everything on woot is), sometimes refurbished, sometimes new Jun 24 05:08:41 and not shipping outside a rather small contiguous area of the world it seems Jun 24 05:09:05 eeew, forgot about that... yeah, they only ship to the US Jun 24 05:09:07 I think Jun 24 05:10:02 not even the whole US Jun 24 05:10:37 yeah, lol Jun 24 05:11:02 but they are selling things for way cheap, they gotta save money where they can to turn some kind of a decent profit Jun 24 05:13:37 yep Jun 24 05:16:58 bbiab, rebooting into linux Jun 24 05:17:17 Wow. Stock kernel. running at 500 MHz screen on. 29.40% battery drain per hour Jun 24 05:17:23 can't install linux on the work laptiop, but I have Mint installed on a 16G compact flash card and I just boot it off that Jun 24 05:17:28 Only WIFI on Jun 24 05:17:43 gollyzila|comp: lemme see what mine is Jun 24 05:17:58 how long are you letting the phone run for before you get that number Jun 24 05:18:15 and are you using nodoze to keep the screen on? or just tapping every now and then Jun 24 05:18:30 it took about 2 min for the battery to lose 1% Jun 24 05:18:52 I set Screen and Unlock to 3min Jun 24 05:19:01 and i only tapped about twice Jun 24 05:20:35 ok, I have wifi on (and connected), running nodoze to keep screen on Jun 24 05:20:47 battery monitor is running I will let you know what I get in a few minutes Jun 24 05:21:09 I am on Warthog but I set it to the Palm Default profile Jun 24 05:21:15 i used battery monitor aswell Jun 24 05:21:28 brb, rebooting lappy Jun 24 05:21:37 Oh and i have an airave at home so full cell signal Jun 24 05:21:55 I am in a hotel, but I am only one bar short of full Jun 24 05:21:57 brb Jun 24 05:26:05 battery drain went down to 11.82% while the screen was off. Jun 24 05:26:34 quick question. are all the test kernels now ota safe? Jun 24 05:27:21 wusaint: the test kernels can be installed OTA, but the word 'test' means that there is a certain amount of risk Jun 24 05:27:38 I've left battery monitor on and the screen on for a couple minutes and battery drain is at 9.63% Jun 24 05:27:51 gollyzila|comp: I am at 16.26% per hour at 500MHz with screen on Jun 24 05:27:53 8.91% Jun 24 05:28:01 mine is going down too Jun 24 05:28:03 woah Jun 24 05:28:40 is that type of battery drain common or are we just on the same boat? Jun 24 05:28:51 wusaint: anything in Preware is OTA safe Jun 24 05:28:58 8.30% Jun 24 05:29:05 wusaint: anything outside of Preware is not Jun 24 05:29:18 well, the backlight takes a decent amount of power Jun 24 05:29:23 wusaint: and nothing has been tested in a real OTA situation Jun 24 05:29:33 and even at 10% drain per hour, you would get 6 hours out of it Jun 24 05:29:37 wusaint: But becare when adding custom feeds you don't know about Jun 24 05:29:41 and that would be 6 hours of not giving it any rest Jun 24 05:29:57 thanx rod. just making sure I was correct Jun 24 05:30:13 * cryptk is down to 12.1% so far Jun 24 05:30:16 wusaint: so, for instance, F102 is not, but F102A is. Jun 24 05:30:19 s/becare/be careful/ Jun 24 05:30:21 gollyzila|comp meant: wusaint: But be careful when adding custom feeds you don't know about Jun 24 05:30:32 11.64% Jun 24 05:30:55 I just kicked it back to the SS 500/800 and I am seeing what it settles out at Jun 24 05:31:03 I'll see how it is with the screen off Jun 24 05:31:26 I would restart battery monitor and then let it sit with the screen off for about 10 minutes Jun 24 05:31:28 then check it Jun 24 05:31:55 except my phone only has 10% left, lol... time for the stone Jun 24 05:32:01 started at 10:31 Jun 24 05:32:21 mine's at 47% battery left Jun 24 05:32:27 btw, I installed preware + UberKernel + Govnah on a brand new ATT pre plus today Jun 24 05:32:37 the guy had owned it for less than 24 hours, lol Jun 24 05:32:50 wow. Why'd he return it? Jun 24 05:32:59 he didnt Jun 24 05:33:04 he had just gotten it yesterday Jun 24 05:33:10 and I hooked it all up for him Jun 24 05:33:12 he loves it Jun 24 05:33:15 ohhhh Jun 24 05:33:30 I was saying it was less than 24 hours old and already overclocked, lol Jun 24 05:33:37 (well, owned for less than 24 hours) Jun 24 05:33:55 it's fun to guide people into the homebrew side of technology Jun 24 05:34:59 indeed Jun 24 05:35:20 he was hooked as soon as he saw me use Terminal to SSH into my home computer and install updates Jun 24 05:35:21 lol Jun 24 05:35:35 lol Jun 24 05:35:59 wow. some people would be scared of that little black screen Jun 24 05:36:18 cryptk: install updates for what? Jun 24 05:36:46 my linux comp at home Jun 24 05:36:52 installed the updates on the computer Jun 24 05:36:56 ohhh Jun 24 05:37:04 sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install Jun 24 05:37:12 I have an Ubuntu Server at home Jun 24 05:37:47 I use it as a combination FTP and media server Jun 24 05:39:38 oh yeah, there's a new PRL update for Sprint Pre's Jun 24 05:39:50 nice Jun 24 05:41:17 667? Jun 24 05:41:20 battery drain per hour 6.44% Jun 24 05:41:31 jhojho: Yep Jun 24 05:43:13 lead average 6.03 and my pre isn't doing anything... Jun 24 05:44:19 what's the timespan on the last avg? 1min? Jun 24 05:44:29 10 min Jun 24 05:44:49 oh.. that explains it. seems long Jun 24 05:45:39 what is it on the first then? Jun 24 05:45:48 but the first averages i posted were in 2 minute timespans Jun 24 05:47:02 cool. updated prl Jun 24 05:47:26 what timespan should i use? Jun 24 05:48:01 wooh went down to 3.78 with screen off Jun 24 05:56:18 welp, time for me to get to bed Jun 24 05:56:22 I will see you guys later Jun 24 05:56:30 gnight Jun 24 05:56:56 wifi off, 3G on, nodoze and screen always on Jun 24 05:57:05 starting at 10:56 Jun 24 06:07:12 in 10 minutes, lowest was 9% highest (after a few min) was 19%. now its at 17.89% Jun 24 06:09:26 thunderchief time Jun 24 06:09:39 Thud! Jun 24 06:09:51 its a thud? Jun 24 06:10:17 oh, did any webos-internals member see my Preware suggestion from last night? Jun 24 06:10:23 MY last night Jun 24 06:11:05 It was commonly known as the Thud by its crews. Jun 24 06:11:34 F-105 Thunderchief was commonly known as the Thud. Jun 24 06:11:45 Thanks for the info Jun 24 06:12:46 yw Jun 24 06:13:32 gollyzila|comp: I did, but don't remember what it was. Jun 24 06:14:20 rwhitby: background updating apps while the user gets use of preware. Jun 24 06:14:25 For example.... Jun 24 06:15:14 gollyzila|comp: impossible Jun 24 06:15:27 oh Jun 24 06:15:29 darn Jun 24 06:16:17 while youre here. there's a slight aesthetical bug in Preware Jun 24 06:16:42 search something in preware Jun 24 06:16:56 "kernel Jun 24 06:17:18 tap a package and go back Jun 24 06:17:42 then tap the search bar and type something again Jun 24 06:18:35 the second time you type something, the second letter the searched word is capitalized Jun 24 06:19:53 cannot reproduce it Jun 24 06:21:03 go into card view and pack into Preware again. go to list of everything, search kernel, tap the first package, back out all the way to the main scene, and type kernel again. Jun 24 06:21:45 its happening to me without tapping a package Jun 24 06:22:01 nope, still cannot reproduce Jun 24 06:22:07 i would show you a screenshot but that's easily produced. Jun 24 06:22:30 does it happen on a freshly doctored device? Jun 24 06:22:43 cause I can't reproduce it here Jun 24 06:23:22 my device hasnt been doctored in awhile Jun 24 06:23:30 its nothing serious Jun 24 06:34:23 thunderchief's frequency settings can't be changed correct? or not? Jun 24 06:34:31 through govnah Jun 24 06:34:38 sure they can Jun 24 06:36:09 * Tman just had a discussion with Agar's developer about adding OpenGL ES support :) Jun 24 06:38:12 * rwhitby needs a test device which doesn't hard-crash below 500MHz Jun 24 06:39:05 do all your devices do that? :/ Jun 24 06:40:39 rwhitby, all mine go to 250mhz Jun 24 06:40:54 and the pixi will go to 125 Jun 24 06:41:05 Tman: just the one that I currently use for experimental testing. I guess I should try another. Jun 24 06:42:09 poor pre and pixi have been doctored 8 times tonight. Jun 24 06:46:14 It's amazing how much more productive I am when I minimize IRC Jun 24 06:46:20 bbl Jun 24 07:00:34 jhoweb: what did you change for -51? Jun 24 07:22:00 bsiegel-wirc: failed experiment in fixing the 3D app not starting Jun 24 08:32:55 Govnah 0.4.11 in testing feed fixes bugs in compcache handling. Update recommended if you're alpha testing kernels with compcache modules. Jun 24 08:33:24 * rwhitby bbl Jun 24 10:54:51 hello all Jun 24 10:55:06 rwhitby: you around? Jun 24 10:55:29 or anyone else that's helped develop UberKernel? Jun 24 10:56:14 I'd like to try out the overclocking stuff. Preferably the 800 MHz setting Jun 24 10:56:14 = ) Jun 24 10:56:19 anyone? Jun 24 10:56:20 = ) Jun 24 11:02:50 * Shiggity installs UberKernel again and then gets Govnah Jun 24 11:34:47 rwhitby: I reinstalled UK and I didn't have that issue I had before of no incoming audio. Outgoing worked fine, but it was incoming that was being odd.. Now all seems well. Jun 24 11:35:01 I'm playing with scaling apps like Govnah and CPUScalerUltimate Jun 24 12:28:17 what sort of battery life do people see running the pre in standby mode? Jun 24 12:50:03 sbromwich: with only wifi on, it lasts over a day Jun 24 12:50:06 2 days even Jun 24 12:50:20 when i turn off data Jun 24 12:50:23 i get 2 full days Jun 24 12:50:24 ;] Jun 24 12:51:08 main pre, i still see a visible drain due to email checking, fb notifications etc. Jun 24 12:51:58 i have push email on my gmail account Jun 24 12:51:59 no fb Jun 24 12:52:07 i run 2 twitter clients Jun 24 12:52:08 etc Jun 24 12:58:22 ok thanks Jun 24 12:59:02 still tinkering with the prcm stuff to have a balance between not sucking down battery, and not losing IRQs and killing lunasysmgr ;-) Jun 24 12:59:32 heck i'm having volting issues Jun 24 13:01:14 Great work on UberKernel guys. I have it running at 800 MHz, and I'm half-tempted to try the THUNDERCHIEF kernel, but 800 MHz is good enough for me right now Jun 24 13:01:53 bbl Jun 24 13:04:01 jhojho: retries in prcm_pwr.c is the magic variable... I now have it set to run 495 times with udelay then the last 5 are sched_irq - seems to be a lot easier on the battery life Jun 24 13:04:33 cool will look at it Jun 24 13:53:37 hi, I've a question on the libertas_sdio driver webos uses, can the default palm kernel do access point,or does it do just ad-hoc? Jun 24 14:05:31 playya__, hi Jun 24 14:59:08 hey people Jun 24 14:59:39 any way to make time/date stamps to show in text messages? Jun 24 15:00:09 instead of just the month or how many weeks ago Jun 24 15:00:15 there's a patch for that Jun 24 15:02:34 hi, Jun 24 15:02:41 I've a question on the wifi Jun 24 15:02:49 SFR advertize something like ap Jun 24 15:02:53 up to 5 machines Jun 24 15:03:08 does it really do ap,or does it only do some sort of ad-hoc mode Jun 24 15:03:10 ? Jun 24 15:07:22 egaudet_work whats the name of said patch? Jun 24 15:08:03 there's a few, and the name is very intuitive like "timestamps in messaging app" or something. Check preware -> available packages -> Patch -> Messaging or just search for "timestamp" Jun 24 15:21:50 I am having trouble getting ipkg-opt. I am using terminal and have these optware installs zlib libstdc ,adv lin comm line installer, optware bootstrap. Jun 24 15:22:53 do I have to run the .sh script from the wiki? Jun 24 15:23:58 did you install optware from preware Jun 24 15:24:34 let me check. Jun 24 15:25:34 yes. i f you aee referring to opt boots then I installed it from preware. is that what you are referring to? Jun 24 15:26:13 yeah Jun 24 15:26:42 and you do not have ipkg-opt? Jun 24 15:26:51 let me Jun 24 15:27:00 pull up terminal again Jun 24 15:27:21 I am trying to get make installed Jun 24 15:28:40 ok. I'm full of it cause I typed in simply ipkg-opt and got a response. let me see if I can find the string I was using to install make. this may take a while for me to find. Jun 24 15:30:15 ipkg-opt install make Jun 24 15:30:17 egaudet_work, optware from preware does not seem to set your env Jun 24 15:30:21 or update path Jun 24 15:30:34 which is prob why ipkg-opt isnt being found Jun 24 15:30:42 oh I see Jun 24 15:31:42 so check /opt/bin/ipkt Jun 24 15:31:46 should I set that manually? if so, can you link to any instructions? Jun 24 15:31:47 or where ever it is supposed to be Jun 24 15:31:50 ok Jun 24 15:34:18 another simple question... I typed in /opt/bin/ipkt and got not found but when I type in /opt I get permission denied. do I not have enough previledges? Jun 24 15:34:56 r u root? Jun 24 15:35:40 PuffTheMagic: yes it does Jun 24 15:35:47 I installed optware from preware and which ipkg-opt finds it Jun 24 15:36:19 egaudet_work, if u already have a shell open and then install optware Jun 24 15:36:24 your path will not be updated Jun 24 15:36:28 u need to log out/in Jun 24 15:36:33 or update your profile Jun 24 15:36:38 or u get this error Jun 24 15:36:47 yes it says root@palm-webos-device:var....... how can I query my own User id ? Jun 24 15:36:59 PuffTheMagic: oh right Jun 24 15:39:30 should I temporarily make myself super user? Jun 24 15:39:41 you are already root Jun 24 15:39:57 should be if using terminal Jun 24 15:40:06 rcube, do 'su -' Jun 24 15:40:11 ok Jun 24 15:40:22 done Jun 24 15:40:31 see if u still have perm issues Jun 24 15:42:07 hi, does someone knows if the palm pre can do ap? Jun 24 15:42:33 GNUtoo|laptop, of course it can Jun 24 15:43:16 did they publish the sources? Jun 24 15:43:24 nope Jun 24 15:43:29 ok Jun 24 15:43:36 did someone wrote to them? Jun 24 15:43:49 ok I still can't get to /opt or /opt/bin but /opt/bin/ipkg gives me the message that there should be a sub command argument. :) Jun 24 15:43:53 yeah the driver is not open source Jun 24 15:43:59 we are not getting the code Jun 24 15:44:13 you mean they don't used any gpl interfaces? Jun 24 15:44:27 no imean what i said Jun 24 15:44:33 the driver is not open source Jun 24 15:44:46 yes but what does that means? Jun 24 15:44:56 it means its closed source Jun 24 15:45:03 because in the kenrel you can export gpl and non gpl functions Jun 24 15:45:17 what dont u get about closed source Jun 24 15:45:20 if they used gpl functions they should provide sources Jun 24 15:45:24 its like the nvidia blob Jun 24 15:45:27 ah ok Jun 24 15:45:46 I didn't get if it was closed source because they didn't gave the sources while they had too Jun 24 15:45:54 or because they hadn't to give the source Jun 24 15:46:01 so if it's like nvidia Jun 24 15:46:10 they don't have to give the sources Jun 24 15:46:18 altough some people would discuss that Jun 24 15:46:24 but it's on a rough edge Jun 24 15:46:30 so difficult to get Jun 24 15:46:37 I get cannot find the package make? let me try an update ipkg-opt update ... is that right? Jun 24 15:47:18 rcube, why are you trying to compile on your phone? Jun 24 15:49:26 there is an app obd gps logger I'd like to eventually port to webos. it's simple, runs wo gui if I want it to but it's not xross compiled and (embarassing) I don't have a nix desktop :O Jun 24 15:49:29 http://icculus.org/obdgpslogger/ Jun 24 15:49:35 so I bet modinfo say closed source on ./kernel/net/wifi/sd8xxx.ko Jun 24 15:49:40 thanks a lot for the infos Jun 24 15:49:42 rcube, you need a cross compiler Jun 24 15:49:44 dont build on the pre Jun 24 15:49:47 that is retarded Jun 24 15:50:00 there is a sdk for the palm pre no? Jun 24 15:50:11 can someone use openembedded to build for the palm pre? Jun 24 15:50:24 is there an overlay for that(for beeing compatible webos) Jun 24 15:50:43 you can use what ever you want Jun 24 15:50:52 as long as you can make arm binaries Jun 24 15:51:01 and they run Jun 24 15:51:14 I didn't think it would take long to build such a light app. hmm. Jun 24 15:51:27 in either case it would be long Jun 24 15:51:40 in the cross-compiling case you have to build the deps Jun 24 15:51:46 rcube you gonna get it working on your first try? Jun 24 15:51:56 if not you are gonna be doing lots of compiling Jun 24 15:52:03 in the case you bulid on target the palm would be too slow Jun 24 15:52:13 he left...too bad Jun 24 15:52:33 anyway I was shown that there is a thin firmware for libertas sdio Jun 24 15:52:39 interesting... Jun 24 15:52:54 none of the open source drivers work out of the box Jun 24 15:53:02 ok Jun 24 15:53:07 they "should" work Jun 24 15:53:19 but they need some tweaking for the board on the pre Jun 24 15:53:23 ah ok Jun 24 15:53:24 i beleive Jun 24 15:53:30 thats beyond my skill Jun 24 15:53:35 like platform specific things Jun 24 15:53:40 yeah Jun 24 15:53:45 platform_data and platform_device Jun 24 15:53:47 I belive Jun 24 15:53:48 ok Jun 24 15:53:59 so no free wifi yet Jun 24 15:54:08 too bad Jun 24 15:54:18 sure there is Jun 24 15:54:25 get the mobile hotspot app Jun 24 15:54:30 ah ok Jun 24 15:54:30 and use freetether with it Jun 24 15:54:44 thanks a lot for the ap infos Jun 24 15:55:14 I am thinking of buying a palm pre plus to put SHR on it Jun 24 15:55:32 SHR is a free distro that uses openembedded and FSO Jun 24 15:55:55 I will wait until they got telephony integrated Jun 24 15:56:06 but some things weren't tested Jun 24 16:00:30 so you can compile on device? Jun 24 16:01:55 sure can Jun 24 16:02:07 its a waste of time and effort Jun 24 16:03:08 it isn't sooooo slow Jun 24 16:03:43 kernel compilation is about the speed of my p3 500mhz from three years ago Jun 24 16:04:03 which is far to slow Jun 24 16:09:33 heh Jun 24 16:09:41 compilation on a p3-500 Jun 24 16:09:44 nice :p Jun 24 16:10:04 my current server will compile its entire distro in a few hours from scratch Jun 24 16:10:16 I don't want to go back to the days where that'd take well over 24 hours Jun 24 16:14:08 yeah i had a dual p3 450 box in HS Jun 24 16:14:15 that i used to install gentoo on Jun 24 16:14:16 :( Jun 24 16:14:22 shit took forever Jun 24 16:20:27 oh my GOD Jun 24 16:20:36 my boner Jun 24 16:20:42 is so huge right now Jun 24 16:21:00 f105 is phenomenal Jun 24 16:22:55 Uggg Jun 24 16:22:58 class… Jun 24 16:23:05 consistent benchmarks vs UK -43: 30C/38C at idle, max 38C/47C Jun 24 16:23:05 I don't like class Jun 24 16:23:44 ~300MB/over 400MB of mem usage Jun 24 16:24:35 and something like 2% drain/hr vs. 4-5% with UK Jun 24 16:25:26 halfhalo: summer classes? :( Jun 24 16:25:34 the cpu temp difference is crazy. my pre+ hasn't been cool to the touch since I got it. Jun 24 16:25:47 Yup Jun 24 16:25:56 Calc over summer sucks Jun 24 16:26:09 so glad I'm done with grad school Jun 24 16:26:27 arn: grats Jun 24 16:26:34 not so glad that undergrad student loans are about to kick in Jun 24 16:26:36 thx Jun 24 16:27:22 arn: that'll teach you to graduate. :) Jun 24 16:29:28 hi, I really like the Top Bar patches, but installing more then 2 often results in patch "failed hunks". Increasing the Fuzz factor for patch (-F ) helps, is there some way to implement this into the packages? Jun 24 16:30:27 are you sure some patches aren't conflicting with others Jun 24 16:31:13 in my experience, patch creators don't always test compatibility with similar patch types Jun 24 16:31:35 the top bar patches are a prime example Jun 24 16:31:43 device menu as well Jun 24 16:31:50 bsm: the default is 2, the max is 3 Jun 24 16:32:07 and there's really not much you can do with conflicting patches Jun 24 16:33:26 patch creators are generally looking for the quick-fix, not the most forward-compatible solution, and as arn said patches for things like top bar and device menu contain many conflicts due to the nature of it Jun 24 16:33:53 oh, I wasn't putting the onus on them. Jun 24 16:37:25 I meant the nature of things like top bar and device menu don't allow for much in the way of compatibility. Without creating n! versions of a patch, there's just no way to make them all compatible when they all need to change the same stuff Jun 24 16:37:38 arn: egaudet_work I don't mean real conflicts, for example I'd like to install GPS, Data Usage and the 3G/2G/Auto toggle patch. the patches themselves don't conflict, but patch is not able to patch the files because it does not know the changes the other patches did. Jun 24 16:38:01 bsm, that means they conflict Jun 24 16:38:11 ^ Jun 24 16:38:15 when we say conflict, we don't mean functionality Jun 24 16:39:12 rubenstein really should have known better than to start with linux as the is substrate Jun 24 16:40:02 "is substrate"? Jun 24 16:40:13 supposed to say OS Jun 24 16:40:20 what's wrong with linux? Jun 24 16:40:24 autocomplete failure Jun 24 16:40:28 arn: should he have used iOS? :) Jun 24 16:40:34 nothing, on the merits Jun 24 16:40:36 bs Jun 24 16:40:40 argh Jun 24 16:41:07 nah, but netbsd or a microkernel wouldve been nice Jun 24 16:41:42 although it sure seems like HP is trying to buy its way to some serious webOS overhauls Jun 24 16:42:00 so that's good Jun 24 16:44:06 webOS on EVERYTHING! tablets, printers, jukeboxes, kitchen appliances! Jun 24 16:45:00 bbiab Jun 24 17:20:42 Hey Jun 24 17:20:55 Can someone help me out with Testing feeds? Jun 24 17:20:56 hi Jun 24 17:21:39 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Jun 24 17:22:02 got it thx Jun 24 17:22:04 ;) Jun 24 17:46:29 weird, my contacts app just told me I coudln't save a new contact I just typed in a bunch of info for Jun 24 17:46:45 and then lost all my changes Jun 24 17:47:47 sucks Jun 24 17:49:23 >_< Jun 24 17:49:52 anybody try z-push (or o-push) with the Pre's EAS yet? Jun 24 17:54:07 hm / is at 93% Jun 24 17:54:41 but still 31MB free, how does that compare to you? Jun 24 18:03:33 Robi_: that's expected range Jun 24 18:07:45 hmm Jun 24 18:08:38 my / is at 92% Jun 24 18:11:52 / will fluctute depending on how many patches, themes, mods you have Jun 24 18:12:01 stock I think it's like 91% Jun 24 18:13:12 k Jun 24 18:13:32 i still cant figure out why it fails to save a new contact Jun 24 18:20:16 time to restart luna Jun 24 18:28:45 How would I go about changing the default orientation of an app? Jun 24 18:28:56 restarted java and luna and now i can add contacts again, weird Jun 24 18:29:51 mrjcarter|wirc: i dont know, but i'd imagine it'd be in one of the app config files, take a look at an app that does it Jun 24 18:35:07 uhh compcache is taking its time now Jun 24 18:35:26 hi, about preware is there a place where the packages are referenced? I mean if someone does not have a palm pre,how can he know what is in preware? Jun 24 18:35:43 (it's for viewing if palm pre is good for general use) Jun 24 18:35:54 general use means john doe Jun 24 18:37:06 all the preware feeds are http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/ Jun 24 18:38:16 ok Jun 24 18:38:17 thanks Jun 24 18:38:21 Bell Mobility has advised Capital Health that they are currently experiencing issues on their cellular network in Atlantic Canada. The newer Blackberry models seem to be affected by this problem. Bell Mobility is currently working on the problem. Jun 24 18:38:30 (also apparently affecting iphones) Jun 24 18:38:34 (but not pre) Jun 24 18:44:19 egaudet_work, in webos-internals/armv7/ there are good things but not a lot of packages,the rest seem commandline(optware) or java Jun 24 18:48:56 which account do you guys use as the default for contacts, the palm one or the google one? Jun 24 18:49:29 i dont understand why I can't find contacts that I have emailed in google on the pre. [my default is set to google] Jun 24 18:52:25 GNUtoo|laptop: are you looking for something specific? Jun 24 18:52:50 hmmm Jun 24 18:52:53 maybe games Jun 24 18:53:03 or internet applications Jun 24 18:53:12 There aren't a ton of native apps in the internals feeds Jun 24 18:53:20 ok Jun 24 18:53:42 basically all application have to be directfb-ified ? Jun 24 18:53:43 there are a lot of other projects in repos though like enlightenment, QT, etc... Jun 24 18:54:00 ok Jun 24 18:54:11 http://git.webos-internals.org/ Jun 24 18:54:22 Also check out the WIDK Jun 24 18:54:24 it was because a friend asked me about phones Jun 24 18:54:24 ok Jun 24 18:54:30 can things just be bitbaken? Jun 24 18:55:06 world cup on projector Jun 24 18:55:39 lol tuxracer Jun 24 18:55:49 too bad the 3d driver isn't FLOSS Jun 24 18:56:02 Currently we are using an SB2 environment Jun 24 18:56:14 I had begun porting tuxracer, but then got sidetracked and haven't gone back yet Jun 24 18:56:48 ok Jun 24 19:01:02 moi Jun 24 19:29:41 :/ Jun 24 19:29:57 ESPN Brokked its live stream Jun 24 19:32:31 someone online which is in charge for webosinternals git repository? except rwhitby, he's stll sleeping, I guess. Jun 24 19:36:20 MetaView, did you ask a question there? Jun 24 19:53:07 PuffTheMagic: yes, it was a question :) Jun 24 19:53:25 rwhitby: said something about git-access for me Jun 24 19:53:34 ewww Jun 24 19:53:35 git Jun 24 19:53:37 I have access to the WIDK git repository Jun 24 19:53:38 oh, wait.... Jun 24 19:53:54 but would like to have access to the patch part Jun 24 19:54:17 to commit my patches without submitting them (the updates) to the website Jun 24 19:54:35 to release the updates faster Jun 24 19:54:47 i will let him do that then Jun 24 19:54:52 MetaView, be patient...we are working that one. Jun 24 19:55:06 SOMEONE broke git, didn't they... Jun 24 19:55:30 halfhalo_class1, if somebody DID it wasn't ME. Jun 24 19:55:31 ok, I'm patient, no problem :) Jun 24 19:55:40 brb, restarting adium Jun 24 19:55:44 PuffTheMagic: thx Jun 24 19:56:37 dBsooner: pinnng Jun 24 19:56:41 pingapong Jun 24 21:17:02 http://www.mobile1up.com/lemmings/blog/ Jun 24 21:17:34 There is already a html lemmings Jun 24 21:17:45 even almost playable on the Pre Jun 24 21:18:01 MetaView: not seen until now. Must have overseen it Jun 24 21:18:09 the controls are a bit small and the hit the sprites is difficult Jun 24 21:19:05 http://www.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/ Jun 24 21:19:42 MetaView, my NWN adverturing group is: The Loyal Order of Lemmings. Jun 24 21:24:51 hey Jun 24 21:25:02 hey Jun 24 21:25:19 g'night Jun 24 21:25:24 lol Jun 24 21:26:06 at 2:30? Jun 24 21:52:21 folks Jun 24 21:52:50 thats us? Jun 24 21:53:41 yes, hello Jun 24 21:53:47 Howdy Jun 24 22:20:16 whats good? Jun 24 22:23:08 all the time in between when you ask that :) Jun 24 22:28:19 * uNiXpSyChO walks by holding an M249 SAW Jun 24 22:30:35 * halfhalo_class grabs the snipers Jun 24 22:31:26 * uNiXpSyChO looks for a bigger weapon... an M134 Jun 24 22:33:15 * oilsworkn grabs white flag Jun 24 22:35:21 * uNiXpSyChO grabs a cigar and takes deep breaths of the smell of naPALM. Jun 24 22:36:17 I love the smell of nerdery in the morning.. it smells like victory! Jun 24 22:36:23 What... I was just moving it into the other room.... kept tripping over it next to the tv Jun 24 22:42:23 hey all ... my boss just got the palm pre, and wants me to figure out how to add multiple exchange calendars to sync on his phone. initial google search revealed some posts saying it wasnt possible to do, but i find that hard to believe. Anyone in here done it, or can confirm that it actually cannot be done ? Jun 24 22:43:27 generalhan: you can add multiple exchange accounts and thus /sync/ multiple calendars Jun 24 22:43:39 but it won't sync multiple calendars from one account Jun 24 22:43:43 that has irritated me also Jun 24 22:43:52 as it meant having 3 discrete exchange accounts tied into my pre Jun 24 22:44:06 inversely most phones bug me by not allowing either option Jun 24 22:44:21 most go 'you've got one exchange account, like it or lump it! Jun 24 22:44:29 pfft, i dont care about that ... i will just create and exchange room mailbox have him sync to that to get his other calendar then ! Jun 24 22:44:39 yeah it's easy done Jun 24 22:45:01 BTW, questions about normal operation of the unmodified vendor OS are best asked in #webos Jun 24 22:45:07 so by default, by just adding another exchange account, it will sync that calendar (under a different color i assume) to the same calendar he already uses ?! Jun 24 22:45:27 rwhitby: noted. thank you ! Jun 24 23:12:38 hey everyone. would anyone be willing to link me to the patched mobile hotspot .ipk and the freetether.ipk for use with my sprint 1.4.1.1 palm pre? Jun 24 23:12:53 precentral has a post Jun 24 23:12:59 thats what i followed Jun 24 23:13:09 yeah the links are dead Jun 24 23:13:31 heres the one im using http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/239471-how-install-mobile-hotspot-1-4-1-1-sprint-pre.html Jun 24 23:22:43 we dont talk about that in here Jun 24 23:24:27 any reason why? Jun 24 23:27:51 seems like no one talks at all in here ha Jun 24 23:28:15 sssh, you'll rile rwhitby Jun 24 23:28:42 heh. So who's been testing Govnah 0.4.1 and Uber -5x ? Jun 24 23:29:13 chaosmarine03: linking you to a proprietary Palm file would be a copyright violation. Jun 24 23:29:42 That much is true, TBH. Legally we can't talk about it Jun 24 23:29:49 and thus, we won't Jun 24 23:30:06 if there's one thing that we are careful about, it is not redistributing Palm files. Jun 24 23:30:11 rwhitby: whoops had no idea. ill move on. Thanks anyway Jun 24 23:30:13 at least, not in a 'here's how to do it and where to get the files' Jun 24 23:31:02 rwhitby: remind me to stop being busy and start abusing my pre with Govnah et al sometime Jun 24 23:32:19 My pre needs a good kicking anyway. I haven't paid it much attention for a while, but it seems to be sorely dragging its feet more and more lately Jun 24 23:32:43 doctor it Jun 24 23:32:45 rwhitby: I HAVE! =) Jun 24 23:32:51 actually, meta-doctor it. Jun 24 23:32:52 but I also broke my own kernel =) Jun 24 23:32:57 It has no good reason to need doctoring! Jun 24 23:35:50 well, alright, I have good reason to doctor it (lagging a bit on app launching, turning itself off suspiciously at certain rare occassions) but hey Jun 25 00:03:12 rwhitby: FWIW, I now have uberkernel and govnah alive and kicking on the pre, feels snappier already. Jun 25 00:03:21 gone for screenstate 500/800 Jun 25 00:03:35 i use performance Jun 25 00:03:37 720/720 Jun 25 00:03:51 I don't wake the screen often enough to care Jun 25 00:04:03 batterylife > screen off performance Jun 25 00:04:19 i get full day of battery life with bad reception Jun 25 00:04:41 Do you push 4 discrete accounts at once? Jun 25 00:05:01 i push 1 Jun 25 00:05:08 that'll do it Jun 25 00:05:18 rest is 15min interval Jun 25 00:05:32 though in fairness, my X10's life is /shocking/ Jun 25 00:05:49 8am -> ~3:30pm-4pm and then it's buggered Jun 25 00:05:56 10-15% battery and warnings popping up Jun 25 00:06:18 it's only really pushing 2 accounts too -.- Jun 25 00:06:24 i c Jun 25 00:06:42 Why oh why did I buy another sony ericsson.. Jun 25 00:06:58 sigh, at least it's an android/linux phone too, if they ever get root beyond a proof of concept we should be good Jun 25 00:07:22 anyway, really overdue to go sleep Jun 25 00:07:28 up for work in < 6 hours Jun 25 00:36:23 quick question - using uberkernal and govnah, is there any purpose to having your minimum speed for the screen state setting at 500mhz rather than the 125mhz for better battery savings? Jun 25 00:39:01 why would 125MHz give better battery savings? Jun 25 00:39:23 (you might want to google "Race to Idle" ...) Jun 25 00:40:10 and a significant number of devices crash when running at less than 500MHz Jun 25 00:42:52 guess if he's looking for batt life, turn all data off and screenstate 250/500 =) Jun 25 00:43:03 it'll last a couple of days Jun 25 01:33:01 rwhitby: how warm is a little too warm in your opinion for the CPU? Jun 25 01:33:33 105C Jun 25 01:33:55 rwhitby: No seriously. Jun 25 01:33:58 lol Jun 25 01:34:18 BeeRad: seriously? dunno. Jun 25 01:34:54 rwhitby:Ok, well....when do the numbers change to red? Jun 25 01:35:19 rod's word is scripture Jun 25 01:35:33 rwhitby: hm maybe I'm misunderstanding, what the point of switching to 500mhz when the screen is off? Jun 25 01:36:06 rwhitby: that is, if idle is so low in power consumption Jun 25 01:36:48 Flashpass: so that background email fetching happens quickly, and doesn't keep the battery sucking radio on any longer than it needs to be Jun 25 01:37:23 rwhitby: I mean, why drop from 800 to 500 then? Jun 25 01:38:23 well, that's your choice. you can set screenstate 800/800 if you choose Jun 25 01:38:41 i just don't understand what the original intent was Jun 25 01:38:47 if it wasn't battery Jun 25 01:38:48 but remember that the datasheet for the OMAP3430 says that running above 600 halves the lifetime of the device Jun 25 01:39:03 aaah ok Jun 25 01:39:10 thank Jun 25 01:39:15 actually, running at > 500 decreases the lifetime from the max Jun 25 01:39:48 BeeRad, how hot do you want to hold in your hands? Jun 25 01:42:49 rwhitby: and what is the "life" of the device supposed to be? Jun 25 01:42:57 1 year? 2 years? Jun 25 01:43:00 10 years? Jun 25 01:43:26 If this thing is rung out at 1.05GHz for the next 6 months.....it served me well. Jun 25 01:45:04 ka6sox-work: Of course I don't want to burn my hands, but I want to be smart too. So far in my testing/abuse....at 1.05GHz...the CPU doesn't get above 45*c Jun 25 01:45:33 BeeRad, played any 3D games yet? Jun 25 01:45:56 I'd be curious as to how that works. Jun 25 01:46:02 HAWX Jun 25 01:46:20 or the racing game...can't remember it now Jun 25 01:46:25 NFSU Jun 25 01:46:35 ya Jun 25 01:46:38 thats it Jun 25 01:48:08 Dieter wants me to make a video of my Pre running F105. Jun 25 01:48:48 oil, Ms. -29 just spinns now. Jun 25 01:49:04 hm? Jun 25 01:49:38 * oil bbl Jun 25 01:50:29 oil, when I launch it. It stays on the splash screen. Jun 25 01:51:11 oil, removed and reinstalled. same issue Jun 25 01:51:58 should I wait for -30? Jun 25 01:54:38 oil, you did the ui right? Jun 25 01:56:23 Mark_M: not for modeswitcher Jun 25 01:57:28 rwhitby, oops my mistake. thx. too many beers. shouldn't irm from pre Jun 25 02:16:31 rwhitby: Got a link for PROPER information about compcache. What it is and what it does. I might show Govnah in the video too while I'm at it. I want proper info going out.... Jun 25 02:17:29 make sure to note improvements are coming to the fullscreen graphs :) Jun 25 02:18:52 Not sure if I will even be showing the fullscreen graphs. If I do, I will pass the info along man. Jun 25 02:19:11 I wouldn't show them :) Jun 25 02:19:30 BeeRad: the UberKernel description in Preware has a link to Compcache article. Jun 25 02:20:49 I sure hope my phone is as peppy as my mind perceives it to be. Im sure I will have haters saying that its not any faster than 600, 720, or 800. Jun 25 02:21:26 BeeRad: we can put it on the webosinternals youtube channel if you want to distance yourself from it :) Jun 25 02:22:04 Nooo....thats what I mean...I want to represent YOU guys well. Jun 25 02:22:12 I dont care if people hate on me. Jun 25 02:22:39 When the heck did 0.4.12 drop for Govnah?? Jun 25 02:23:39 getProfiles and setProfile? Crash course, what is that? Jun 25 02:23:55 modeswitcher integration Jun 25 02:24:57 modeswitcher the app? I've never used it. Jun 25 02:25:29 yeah Jun 25 02:25:53 the changes allow it to get a list of profiles and apply a profile Jun 25 02:27:46 So a specific screenstate selection could be part of a specific mode that has been selected? Jun 25 02:27:54 right Jun 25 02:27:59 Jeez, that sounded horrible. lol Jun 25 02:28:11 like different profiles for work mode, or sleep mode Jun 25 02:28:16 Department of redundant redundancy. Jun 25 02:28:25 Yeah..ok. Jun 25 02:28:28 Thats cool. Jun 25 02:28:59 atleqst that's the plan Jun 25 02:29:31 anyone got an AT&T Pre Plus here? Jun 25 02:29:38 Like I said, I dont know how in depth this will be. It started out just being a request from Dieter to show the F105. Jumping into Govnah will be part of it. Jun 25 02:30:07 lol Jun 25 02:35:04 i do Jun 25 02:35:05 :D Jun 25 02:36:12 lies Jun 25 02:38:17 beelzabub: I'm not sure you'll be willing to give me the information I need. I'm after a copy of the nvram tokens from an AT&T Pre Plus, specifically any modem-related ones :) Jun 25 02:38:50 I want to see how they are different from an EU device Jun 25 02:38:59 don't know how to even get them Jun 25 02:39:14 ls -l /dev/tokens Jun 25 02:40:36 do you need the data inside or just the listing? Jun 25 02:40:45 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applications:PsychoKernel (No info?) Jun 25 02:41:50 BeeRad: yep, it's ready for all the alpha testers to add the documentation Jun 25 02:49:30 So, after a year, I finally have a Palm Pre Plus which works as a phone in my country (Australia, .eu bands), has a QWERTY keyboard, and can also purchase apps from the US app catalog :) Jun 25 02:50:52 * oil_pre claps? Jun 25 02:51:42 I'm envious Jun 25 02:52:00 im thinking about getin att pixi for my bro Jun 25 02:52:04 299 Jun 25 02:52:26 rwhitby: does the internet unlock works permanently? like i dont have to care about updates? Jun 25 02:53:54 en0x: I know nothing about unlocking. I always purchase devices unlocked by the carrier at purchase. Jun 25 02:54:09 rwhitby: the att ones are unlocked? Jun 25 02:54:13 or locked? Jun 25 02:54:21 locked I believe. Jun 25 02:54:31 so how did u got unlocked one? Jun 25 02:55:06 here's how you do it. you purchase a german pre plus with qwertz keyboard. then you ship it to the US for activation on AT&T, then you ship it to australia and swap the keyboard. Jun 25 02:55:26 works for pixi's too (but I don't have spare keyboards to swap for those) Jun 25 02:55:27 whats good? Jun 25 02:55:34 lol too much hussle Jun 25 02:56:07 i have a phantom application in Updates Jun 25 02:56:31 here's how you unlock an att pre Jun 25 02:56:40 buy a pre Jun 25 02:56:59 borrow a friend's att sim Jun 25 02:57:17 has uberkernel @ 800mhz always flickered video from /media/internal? Jun 25 02:57:19 call att. tell them you want the unlock code for the pre Jun 25 02:57:24 unlock Jun 25 02:57:26 done Jun 25 02:57:53 why someone elses sim? Jun 25 02:57:59 lol they give away the unlock codes? no shit jhojho Jun 25 02:59:35 doesn't flicker for me at 720 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 25 02:59:57 2010