**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 25 02:59:57 2010 Jun 25 02:59:58 jhowirc: so they give unlock codes without crap? Jun 25 03:26:29 Hi - to fully reset the phone to factory conditions - no patches, etc. - must I use the Dr., or does "full erase" from the phone menu accomplish the same thing? Jun 25 03:28:03 Nrbelex: full erase, then doctor Jun 25 03:29:12 rwhitby: A doctor alone won't do it. :( I don't have much time. Jun 25 03:29:21 ? Jun 25 03:29:23 How do I remove applications from the "Restore Application Data" section of Save/Restore? Jun 25 03:29:41 mrjcarter: you can't Jun 25 03:29:46 I have Preware Alpha and Uber-Kernel in there an I no longer have them installed Jun 25 03:30:08 mrjcarter: remove the directories from saverestore on the USB drive Jun 25 03:30:19 thank you Jun 25 03:30:28 Nrbelex: doctor alone will leave USB drive. full erase alone won't remove patches Jun 25 03:30:43 rwhitby: I see - thanks. Jun 25 03:31:32 rwhitby: You've never heard of an issue where the phone spontaneously says "phone offline" and refuses to do anything needed the network, have you? Jun 25 03:31:41 It sporadically works, but rarely Jun 25 03:31:48 *needing Jun 25 03:32:28 Nrbelex: overclocking can cause that Jun 25 03:34:59 rwhitby: The only patches I've got on are Advanced Launcher Options, Advanced Reset Options, Call Duration in Log, Enable Add/Delete Pages, Enable Landscape E-mail, Match state/area code, No auto-refresh after idle, reduce drag radius, replies black font, SMS vibrate to 1.5 secs, Clean Timestamps, unhide dev mode, and virtual keyboard Jun 25 03:35:14 none of which seemed too risky Jun 25 03:35:34 Except maybe the keyboard Jun 25 03:37:43 Im thinking of doing the video in B&W. Just cause... Jun 25 03:54:54 att has to give out the unlock codes as part of a settlement. (iphones excepted) Jun 25 04:04:22 Aha - found the Meta-Doctor error which has been causing the flash failed messages. Jun 25 04:28:44 what was it? Jun 25 04:44:06 -h in tar - dereferencing symlinks Jun 25 04:48:09 * Tman just bought a Pixi Plus Jun 25 04:51:04 ah. Jun 25 04:51:14 Tman, welcome to the Club Jun 25 05:00:09 ~seen swisstomcat Jun 25 05:00:12 swisstomcat <~tomcat@gw.ptr-80-238-188-144.customer.ch.netstream.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 1d 8h 19m 42s ago, saying: 'überkernel is probably the safest bet'. Jun 25 05:02:54 ~infobot Jun 25 05:02:55 sugardave, i love abuse, feed me!, or whack, yo Jun 25 05:03:03 ~botsnack Jun 25 05:03:03 aw, gee, sugardave Jun 25 05:03:12 ~info Jun 25 05:39:20 anyone know how to re-login into a profile. I did a partial reset, and now I have no installed apps, I was expecting to see the profile login screen and for it to start downloading my 100 or so apps Jun 25 05:39:27 * rwhitby does a save/restore run on his current phone before transitioning to the new one Jun 25 05:41:53 that was the last step I did bfore the partial Jun 25 05:42:25 i just never did a prtial, only ever did DRs before Jun 25 05:44:00 hey webos users :) Jun 25 05:44:28 users, i thought we were slaves Jun 25 05:44:35 oh, wait, that's iwebos Jun 25 05:44:37 :P Jun 25 05:45:04 what are you guys up to? Jun 25 05:45:19 trying to figure out why my computer booted into recovery mode Jun 25 05:45:35 i'm pretty sure it's cause 10.04 is still unstable, but i'm not sure Jun 25 05:46:06 mikePre: palm-launch com.palm.app.firstuse Jun 25 05:46:32 im still an android user :/ i never thought id say it, but i like it more than webos. Jun 25 05:46:49 * rwhitby kicks Decimate Jun 25 05:46:59 hah Jun 25 05:47:12 seriously though. the app avalibility wins it :/ Jun 25 05:50:07 i wish webos had done better :( Jun 25 05:54:20 Anyone know if webos can read from a rdb file? Using an http get? I figured it should... Jun 25 05:54:42 you can read from anything i think Jun 25 05:54:54 you'll just have to write the code to do it Jun 25 05:55:58 ok, what are the chances that this just happeend, I did a partial erase, and at 10:43, 12 minutes ago, my pre did a backup, while there were no apps, Jun 25 05:56:10 so i guess at that point all my app catalog apps are goners for now? Jun 25 06:00:53 mikePre: no, if you go to them in the app catalog, they will all be "Download for free" cause you've already bought them Jun 25 06:02:55 ok, cool, I am going to try the Pre Backup /Restore to get most of them back, never tried that restore, but I will tonight, so much for an early night Jun 25 06:03:59 night everyone Jun 25 06:04:02 hi Jun 25 06:11:03 hey MetaView Jun 25 06:13:08 Gah. My desktop is officially dead Jun 25 06:14:46 hi rwhitby Jun 25 06:14:58 what about patch-git access? Jun 25 06:15:17 and what happens to the patch feed at all? somethign broken? no updates since weeks. Jun 25 06:15:34 MetaView: dBsooner MIA, we're moving the portal to a new server. Jun 25 06:15:42 MetaView: you have patch-git access Jun 25 06:16:33 oh, then I need to look again, browsing the web-frontend I didn't find the patch files Jun 25 06:16:47 ok, thx, I will check it out later today Jun 25 06:16:53 MetaView: you have git access, but not portal admin access Jun 25 06:16:54 Oh, Oh, new record for my 9800GTX+ in regards to temp! 110C Jun 25 06:17:49 MetaView: we'll get you portal admin access on the new server Jun 25 06:18:06 that's nice, thx Jun 25 06:18:21 sooo…. who broke the server this time? Jun 25 06:19:24 was it oil? I blame oil... Jun 25 06:19:43 * oil has no access to the server for that very reason :) Jun 25 06:20:04 riiiiiiight Jun 25 06:20:41 * rwhitby does a meta-doctor full image backup of old devoce Jun 25 06:20:45 So, apparently I get to combine redmine with git as a side project at my work. Fun times…. Jun 25 06:21:14 halfhalo: I thought redmine supported git out of the box Jun 25 06:21:34 not what we want it to do Jun 25 06:22:07 wait...they claim git integration OOB Jun 25 06:22:43 SCM integration (SVN, CVS, Git, Mercurial, Bazaar and Darcs) Jun 25 06:22:51 It integrates quite nicely as a diff viewer, etc Jun 25 06:23:25 but what I'm doing is setting it up to auto close issues when a commit with the issue tag is pushed by an authorised dev Jun 25 06:23:56 oh, thats something completely different...Nevermind. Jun 25 06:24:25 IE if there is an open ticket #1234 a commit named "Pending fix for #1234" would change the ticket status to resolved or whatever Jun 25 06:25:09 okay if they want that they can add it laters. Jun 25 06:25:20 right now I'm just setting it up. Jun 25 06:25:39 what, redmine? Jun 25 06:25:40 4 more full backups and I can upgrade Xen. Jun 25 06:25:44 yes Jun 25 06:25:48 nice Jun 25 06:26:07 halfhalo: webos-internals is thinking of using redmine Jun 25 06:26:10 my dept uses it extensivly Jun 25 06:26:13 a LOT going on here in embedded space. Jun 25 06:26:38 Yeah Jun 25 06:27:08 side work=win Jun 25 06:28:20 god, I love my works git setup… no ssh keys when using a campus computer to worry about Jun 25 06:28:37 auths via LDAP and the local account Jun 25 06:30:13 It gets pissy when pushed via an outside system though…. so we use a clunky bridge Jun 25 06:30:49 Standard git repo using keys that pushes to the LDAP repo when it gets pushed to Jun 25 06:31:38 Oh, and apparently the vm server I use as a test server has an old git version… thats fun Jun 25 06:31:47 no —recursive support Jun 25 06:32:54 ramble ramble Jun 25 06:33:58 halfhalo: how does the ldap auth work? Jun 25 06:36:17 Every computer on campus has to be logged into via a system wide account which is stored in an LDAP server (or a server emulating LDAP, not sure) Jun 25 06:36:49 I'm off, bbl Jun 25 06:36:50 yep, got that bit already Jun 25 06:37:24 sorry, multitasking with boss, hold on Jun 25 06:38:18 sweet, cosmetic changes only…., ok back to ldap stuff Jun 25 06:41:00 whenever someone tries to push to git the git server talks to a central user server on campus and asks for the users location, if any based on ip/hostname/something like that. If the reported location and the push location match up, the push is made Jun 25 06:41:54 I haven't actually taken a peak at the innards of the git server/user server since I have no access to it Jun 25 06:44:40 But I know how it used to work… which was on login to the campus computer a random private/public key pair is generated and saved just for the one session Jun 25 06:46:16 oh, sweet, don't need to have the redmine/git thing happen realtime Jun 25 06:46:36 I can just write a script that checks every 5 minutes Jun 25 06:48:19 God, I love my dept Jun 25 06:48:35 My boss yelled at me today about using the projector to watch the world cup Jun 25 06:49:25 Told me to not use vga since it gets all fuzzy and just use the hdmi cord Jun 25 06:50:13 ramblerambleramlepie Jun 25 06:51:37 in other news, mac os without growl SUCKS Jun 25 06:52:46 hm Jun 25 06:53:03 I wonder if I have growl installed on the mac Jun 25 06:53:31 I don't have quicksilver installed either Jun 25 06:54:43 in other other more git related news… I should set up a vm with a git repo Jun 25 06:55:39 in both growl and git related news, I lost my git repo watcher script…. Jun 25 06:56:21 oo Jun 25 06:56:35 that would be useful Jun 25 06:56:38 was literally a script that watched for changes in a repo and used growl to show recent commits Jun 25 06:58:22 then I can watch build.git Jun 25 06:58:43 When I rebuild it I'll give you a copy Jun 25 06:59:19 kool Jun 25 07:03:18 Hmmmm Jun 25 07:03:23 Now I want a CI Jun 25 07:10:39 Yeah…. I should stop programming right now…. I just started yelling at growl for not working when I forgot its not installed Jun 25 07:48:28 Hey guys.... Anybody awake right now who can help just bit with the "Saved Package List" of Preware?? Jun 25 07:48:38 *just a bit Jun 25 07:51:05 KnoxBNYC: what's up? Jun 25 07:51:38 Ah...> Rod... I guess you would know something about Preware, eh? ;) Jun 25 07:51:47 Just a little? :) Jun 25 07:52:25 A friend just got a new Pre Plus (Verizon). I had him install Preware and a bunch of patches. Then we realized he was on v1.4.0. He updated and now his patches are gone. When he goes into SAVED PACKAGE LIST, it says they are there and when he goes into each individual one, it only gives him the option to REMOVE. I KNOW I'm doing something wrong while trying to talk him through this remotely (he's at home in NYC. I'm in S Jun 25 07:52:41 (updated to v1.4.1.1) Jun 25 07:53:19 They all have little green mini-icons on them. Jun 25 07:55:21 check that his preware has the webos-patches feed enabled Jun 25 07:55:41 and that it is pointing to the correctly versioned URL Jun 25 07:55:48 and then that he has updated feeds in preware Jun 25 07:56:11 all the feeds are default. Jun 25 07:56:16 bvut i will check those things. Jun 25 07:56:25 he doesn't see the patches in the updated packages list? Jun 25 07:56:49 where is the updated packages list? (i'm lookoing on my pre) Jun 25 07:56:55 geez, my typing sucks tonight. sorry Jun 25 07:57:04 the other thing to try is to run the emergency reconstruction utility first in preware Jun 25 07:57:42 okay. writing all this down for when i talk to him tomorrow. Jun 25 07:58:57 got it all written down now. Jun 25 07:59:00 thanks rod. Jun 25 08:00:12 Rod: You're in Australia?? Jun 25 08:03:16 Ah. I guess you are busy now. Jun 25 08:19:16 KnoxBNYC: yep & yep Jun 25 09:35:04 is it possible (using the PDK) to write a plugin for the calendar to make it possible to integrate other calendars (e.g. iCal/CalDAV) too? most of my calendars actually reside on iCal/CalDAV servers and i don't want to sync them to Google first, because this would make it impossible to distinguish between different calendars + i don't wanna pass all my company calendar data to Google anyways... Jun 25 09:35:45 so is there no iCal/CalDAV plugin for the calendar yet, because it is simply not possible because of missing interfaces etc. or because no-one built one yet? Jun 25 09:42:45 whatsup everyone? Jun 25 09:59:41 rwhitby: ping Jun 25 09:59:54 or uNiXpSyChO Jun 25 09:59:57 pong Jun 25 10:00:02 :P Jun 25 10:00:04 have you folks considered using a swap partition instead of a file ? Jun 25 10:00:05 im only one ponging Jun 25 10:03:38 might be the sam speed Jun 25 10:12:03 yeah, 2.6 has them working at the same speed, too bad Jun 25 10:16:13 u talking to me :P? Jun 25 10:37:33 bhuey, the pre has a swap partition...128MB Jun 25 11:29:34 heh i wonder if we will see 1.4.5 from sprint today Jun 25 11:40:57 i think i will get pixi from att Jun 25 11:41:02 they give unlock codes for free Jun 25 11:43:26 nice nice Jun 25 13:16:18 bhuey: hi Jun 25 13:16:20 bhuey: swap on the Pre is to an LVM partition Jun 25 13:24:17 rwhitby: You alive? Jun 25 13:24:25 hopefully Jun 25 13:25:04 rwhitby: Video is finally done rendering. 9:37 long and almost a gig in size. Jun 25 13:25:05 lol Jun 25 13:25:17 awesome Jun 25 13:25:26 I tried to keep it as "real time" as possible. Jun 25 13:26:35 Showed some of the speed for F105 and then a torture test for F105/Compcache. 6 3D games, 2 standard games, and 11 apps. No TMK and stayed at 39*c. Jun 25 13:30:04 BeeRad: see /msg Jun 25 14:08:29 * rwhitby bbt Jun 25 15:19:00 Is there a way to make Terminal on the phone go full screen? Jun 25 16:01:09 there's a way to make it go not-full-screen? Jun 25 16:01:38 mine's fullscreen by default which is a pain because the rounded corners overlay the text Jun 25 16:02:03 wait derp Jun 25 16:02:06 never mind, me being stupid Jun 25 16:41:57 Palm stockholder vote going on right now :) Jun 25 16:47:12 I vote yes Jun 25 17:10:25 hey guys Jun 25 17:13:23 anyone familier with running a web server from the pre? Jun 25 17:14:48 thank you to puff for help yesterday. I come with a hopefully brief q: in most locations (except/opt) I can't create a directory, gettin the read only file system message. I am root and su. is this normal? I can't even chmod the dir I need to write to. Jun 25 17:16:53 rcube: root filesystem is mounted readonly by default Jun 25 17:17:05 rcube: if you wanna write to it, do a 'mount -o rw, / Jun 25 17:17:23 rcube: mount -o remount,rw / Jun 25 17:17:46 when you're done, remount it ro--same thing but 'ro' instead of 'rw'. Jun 25 17:19:43 dtzWill: you are the best. thanks! Jun 25 17:20:03 rcube: you're certainly welcome Jun 25 17:23:27 anyone familier with running a web server from the pre? Jun 25 17:35:41 aww Jun 25 17:35:49 Im familiar with how to run a web server from the pre Jun 25 17:38:32 interesting http://www.technologyreview.com/communications/25651/?a=f Jun 25 17:39:47 I was working on getting nginx on the pre but theres a packaging issue that i'm waiting for rwhitby to fix Jun 25 17:43:54 what is optware? Jun 25 18:10:33 wow, that is really interesting jho Jun 25 18:10:51 is NAPman put on the device or router? Jun 25 20:14:48 hey ah Jun 25 20:15:32 how do i remove an unknown/failed-to-download-and-install application, from the updates app. Jun 25 20:22:43 it doesn't show in the "list apps" in launcher? Jun 25 20:28:58 hmm Jun 25 20:29:06 its in the updates application --> show updates Jun 25 20:29:27 and its at the top, empty icon, its preventing any of my apps from the palm catalog to download. Jun 25 20:29:37 ill ss Jun 25 20:31:14 so... the latest warthog kernel is missing the 800mhz setting. Jun 25 20:31:39 1.4.1-56 Jun 25 20:31:51 really. Jun 25 20:33:25 cryptk|wirc, not enough slots :D Jun 25 20:34:18 really? ss 500/800 was my favorite... why not drop off the 125 that half the pre's freeze at from the list? Jun 25 20:34:58 agreed. Jun 25 20:35:15 http://i49.tinypic.com/2w7i97r.png Jun 25 20:35:23 cryptk|wirc, the Devs are going crazy.....one group wants LOW list and the other wants a HIGH list and another group wants only Certain ones :P Jun 25 20:36:04 well, I figured drop the one that isn't stable on all phones... only makes sense. Jun 25 20:36:24 brb Jun 25 20:36:31 arrgh Jun 25 20:36:38 can't please anybody :P Jun 25 20:37:31 shoot Jun 25 20:37:43 Rick_work that .png is the issue Jun 25 20:38:22 i think i was updating apps on the subway, dunno. Jun 25 20:57:16 Hey all Jun 25 20:58:29 I'm having an issue I need assistance with. I accidentally upgraded the virtual keyboard app on my Pre to the testing version and now it doesn't work at all. I have tried removing it with Preware and it goes nowhere. I get the same result trying to remove it with webos quick install Jun 25 20:58:49 any ideas how to get rid of it and back to the public version? Jun 25 21:05:26 oc80z but does the app show in the list of apps if you go into launcher and then select list from the app menu? Jun 25 21:06:08 TheInvsbleMan did you remove it via preware before or after you disabled the testing feeds? Jun 25 21:06:24 I still have the testing feeds enabled Jun 25 21:06:42 and preware doesn't uninstall it? Jun 25 21:06:58 egaudet_work ought to be able to help. Jun 25 21:07:30 nope it says "removing" or whatever it says and then the circle just spins without actually doing anything Jun 25 21:11:24 should I pm egaudet_work? Jun 25 21:14:32 i had this same issue Jun 25 21:14:45 i had to reboot my phone and then remove it Jun 25 21:15:04 don't know if the hook it uses to call up a custom widget gets stuck in resident memory or what Jun 25 21:15:13 but i was able to remove it that way Jun 25 21:15:41 all right I'll give it a shot Jun 25 21:21:27 start upgrading to 1.4.5 people Jun 25 21:21:27 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p1411r0d03312010/sr1ntp1411rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Jun 25 21:23:52 what the hell did Google do to their search results Jun 25 21:26:33 restarting didn't work Jun 25 21:26:49 Looks like I'll be doctoring to 1.4.5 that should get rid of the keyboard :) Jun 25 21:27:50 where's my goddamned 1.4.5 Jun 25 21:28:19 mobile1up does not have a mobile interface :( Jun 25 21:28:28 i'm no marketing expert Jun 25 21:29:00 but it would seem to me that if I were a handset and mobile OS manufacturer, and i were running a contest beginning July 1st for my new plug-in development kit Jun 25 21:29:17 that i would also want users of my mobile OS to have that functionality on their phones Jun 25 21:29:52 i will chortle a chortle of epic proportions if palm or some idiot carrier gooses that up Jun 25 21:38:56 is 1.4.5 out? Jun 25 21:39:57 uhoh :) Jun 25 21:40:34 if anyone has 1.4.5 running, can you run ipkg list | grep crypto Jun 25 21:40:43 & tell me the cryptofs version' Jun 25 21:42:43 everything about that .jar says 1.4.1.1 Jun 25 21:44:51 hahaha Jun 25 21:45:22 the two instances of "1411" should be enough Jun 25 21:46:06 so that's not 1.4.5? Jun 25 21:47:43 I have it downloaded and unpacked how would I be able to tell if it's 1.4.5? Jun 25 21:48:06 by snooping inside the JAR Jun 25 21:48:20 I'm inside it but what should I look at? Jun 25 21:48:48 the release notes, for starters Jun 25 21:48:58 beelzabub, yeah its out Jun 25 21:49:08 where would I find the release notes? Jun 25 21:49:27 idk yet Jun 25 21:49:34 i dont think its officially out for a few hours Jun 25 21:49:38 but i pressed updated on my phone Jun 25 21:49:46 and it there was an update Jun 25 21:49:50 and the jnlp for the doctor Jun 25 21:50:06 PuffTheMagic, that one you have says 1.4.1.1 in 2 places. Jun 25 21:50:07 checkin for updates Jun 25 21:50:18 weird Jun 25 21:50:21 I checked nothing came up Jun 25 21:50:25 same Jun 25 21:50:27 but I downloaded that jar Jun 25 21:50:43 I have it all unpacked and such I just don't know where to look Jun 25 21:50:49 and i have no application updates Jun 25 21:51:05 it's probably vzw navigator or something Jun 25 21:51:17 and the patch to hide it also removes it from the application list Jun 25 21:52:25 um,mm there is an adobe folder inside this Jar Jun 25 21:53:20 argh i'm being trolled into downloading the stupid JAR Jun 25 21:53:33 go go FiOS Jun 25 21:53:34 http://img.skitch.com/20100625-q3u5p25hq1bf1sbt5y7i6kgb9n.jpg Jun 25 21:54:31 so there is nowhere I can look in this jar to see what version it is? Jun 25 21:55:24 yes Jun 25 21:55:26 hold please Jun 25 21:55:32 ok Jun 25 21:56:19 oh good, it's nice to see that google's useragent handling fuckup has shown up on precentral Jun 25 21:56:42 actually, that's not accurate Jun 25 21:57:26 it's a combination of google relying on the useragent and the build of webkit in webOS lagging behind other webkit browsers Jun 25 21:59:49 i'll give you a hint as to whether or not it's 1.4.5 Jun 25 22:00:20 the JAR was created about 100 days ago Jun 25 22:00:38 http://img.skitch.com/20100625-jfyf1nn6368i9aujm36ejnc1c5.jpg Jun 25 22:00:43 voice dialing? Jun 25 22:00:58 that's always been there Jun 25 22:01:01 oh ok Jun 25 22:01:42 so it's definitely not 1.4.5? Jun 25 22:01:47 arn, yeah the jar is not updated Jun 25 22:01:57 but my phone as never mention 1.4.5 in the update app before Jun 25 22:01:58 it is definitely not 1.4.5 Jun 25 22:02:04 and i did Jun 25 22:02:11 so if figured the urls were out and postef it Jun 25 22:02:16 def not 1.4.5 Jun 25 22:02:18 i'm not saying that 1.4.5 couldn't be trickling out to sprint users Jun 25 22:02:31 typical palm move Jun 25 22:02:33 i know, the jar it snot 1.4.5 Jun 25 22:02:41 that was a mistake Jun 25 22:02:49 although to be fair, you should be able to post a screenshot from the device info app Jun 25 22:03:00 but 1.4.5 has to be imminent Jun 25 22:03:27 * ka6sox-work loves rumors.... Jun 25 22:04:02 * beelzabub loves rumours Jun 25 22:04:12 stop dropping letters people :D Jun 25 22:04:49 * beelzabub in a show of solidarity, have been running 1.4.2 Jun 25 22:06:01 1.4.1.1 or get out Jun 25 22:06:22 i dunno - what are the release numbers & which carriers get what? Jun 25 22:07:09 1.4.2 is a GSM build Jun 25 22:07:21 ATT, specifically Jun 25 22:07:48 1.4.1.1 is a CDMA build (Sprint and VZW) Jun 25 22:07:58 i didnt mean to start rumor here Jun 25 22:07:59 i can't speak to the overseas carriers Jun 25 22:08:05 well all know an update it close Jun 25 22:08:06 thanks Jun 25 22:10:27 i wish this World Cup app ran in the dashboard Jun 25 22:10:36 it's made such tremendous progress since 1.0 Jun 25 22:12:03 who has been playing around with the kernels? I have an issue and wondering if others do also Jun 25 22:13:05 all of the experimental kernels do the same exact issue. Jun 25 22:13:32 people - stop (ab)using kernels. they're fragile creatures as you can tell. Jun 25 22:13:35 jhowirc: nginx issue should be fixed now Jun 25 22:13:57 do *you* want to pay for the therapy that is necessary for exposing their issues ? :) Jun 25 22:14:32 yay Jun 25 22:15:00 lol well govnah shows as 500mhz no matter what mhz I put it at. Jun 25 22:15:20 only in screenstate thou Jun 25 22:16:26 morning Jun 25 22:16:46 TheSavaLord: unplug the cable Jun 25 22:18:09 ohh lol is that a feature to keep down the heat Jun 25 22:18:49 see now I feel stupid lol Jun 25 22:20:16 anyways great work on everything Jun 25 22:22:43 completed my partial erase and then restore of apps using the Pre Backup utility, launched preware, and it only shows 10 isntalled apps of 238, I ran Emergency Reconstruction Utility and it didnt help, any other ideas I can try? Jun 25 22:29:37 mikePre: partial erase blows away all knowledge of what is installed - we cannot reconstruct it. hopefully you used save/restore to grab the saved package list Jun 25 22:32:01 yes, I did a save/restore write before the partial...when I go into preware and look at saved list, there are many with v1.0.0. Unknown Date, looks to be all the App Catalog ones, it sees all the patches and homebew ones Jun 25 22:33:11 make sure the app catalog is enabled and it should exclude those Jun 25 22:33:35 (it needs to know that they are app catalog by matching them with feed data, and app catalog feed is disabled by default) Jun 25 22:45:06 hey Jun 25 23:05:21 rwhitby, if ut still around, i have one other question Jun 25 23:05:53 yep Jun 25 23:06:22 since I have all my apps from the backup I made, can I wipe out the webos-patches.log and .webosinternals.patches.packages and reinstall preware and let it rescan everything? Jun 25 23:07:00 probably Jun 25 23:07:56 ok, thanks Jun 25 23:08:13 figured this might be a useful tip for precentral - you guys know about power-wiggle, right? Jun 25 23:08:48 power wiggle? Jun 25 23:09:33 hold power button & wiggle the ringer switch Jun 25 23:09:36 it reboots the device Jun 25 23:09:51 battery pull without a clean shutdown first might cause data corruption Jun 25 23:10:04 option sym r Jun 25 23:10:09 this reboots the device more safely than that (less safely than going through the menu & doing it right) Jun 25 23:10:10 reboots as well Jun 25 23:10:26 option sym r is more high level Jun 25 23:10:48 the order is menu/option sym r -> power wiggle -> battery pull Jun 25 23:11:09 power wiggle does a sync of the FS first Jun 25 23:11:12 is it? I thought there were only 2 typed of reboots? luna reboot and full device reboot Jun 25 23:11:20 ahh ok Jun 25 23:13:21 power wiggle is directly in the kernel Jun 25 23:13:28 it's extremely low level Jun 25 23:13:42 Ok good to know Jun 25 23:13:46 it is pretty much 100% reliable on castle Jun 25 23:13:53 I knew you could do that I just thought it was the same as opt sym r Jun 25 23:14:01 good to know the difference Jun 25 23:14:01 almost as reliable on pixie (slightly less so since it just sends a request to the modem) Jun 25 23:16:48 get on to the bus .. that's gonna take you back to beelzebub Jun 25 23:17:28 huh? Jun 25 23:17:36 soul coughing song :( Jun 25 23:17:44 but whenever i see that nick, i sing it to myself Jun 25 23:17:47 :) Jun 25 23:18:05 google "bus to beelzebub" and there is a lala.com link to listen if you like Jun 25 23:23:55 beelzabub: yeah, power wiggle will fix anything except broken new testing kernels :) Jun 25 23:24:24 really? it sits right in the interrupt Jun 25 23:24:32 you'd have to try real hard to break it i'd imagine Jun 25 23:24:42 bb Jun 25 23:25:22 beelzabub: 125MHz not being liked by the hardware/kernel will do it on one of my devices Jun 25 23:26:50 I want to save the state of toggle buttons Jun 25 23:26:54 fair enoug Jun 25 23:27:17 How should I do that? Jun 25 23:36:28 beelzabub: but yeah, power wiggle gets out of 99.99% of situations that users encounter Jun 25 23:55:34 http://i49.tinypic.com/2w7i97r.png | app not in my launcher Jun 26 00:14:38 whats the fix eh? need to install some apps, eh. Jun 26 00:14:56 webos doctor will fix it ;) Jun 26 00:20:52 you know what the biggest performance increase for webos is? Jun 26 00:20:56 faster card animation patch =) Jun 26 00:22:28 really? Jun 26 00:23:00 doesn't that just make the card animation faster? Jun 26 00:25:18 anyone know how to get the current (er, that is, at the moment) coulomb draw from sh? Jun 26 00:25:34 jhojho: did you disable syslogging? Jun 26 00:25:44 ? Jun 26 00:26:00 have you looked in /var/log? Jun 26 00:26:03 torchie: well percieved perf is important =) Jun 26 00:26:13 I wasnt being serious =) Jun 26 00:26:19 but I like that patch Jun 26 00:26:20 fwiw Jun 26 00:26:26 oic Jun 26 00:26:27 the logging is, in my opinion, a little excessive... disabling logging in /etc/pmlog.conf gives a big performance boost Jun 26 00:26:39 I find the faster card animation actually takes longer Jun 26 00:26:39