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Jun 29 03:00:40 <hborders> ok, I did too onlinux
Jun 29 03:00:43 <hborders> on linux
Jun 29 03:01:06 <hborders> but when I ran that on osx (where I'm trying to build my example app) I get things like: /64
Jun 29 03:02:13 <Tman> hborders: yeah same. I don't know if it's really a concern though, since OSX's default toolchain isn't the one that's used to build your app
Jun 29 03:02:42 <hborders> ok
Jun 29 03:02:58 <hborders> tman: can I pastebin you my example app?
Jun 29 03:03:09 <Decimate> im just saying, im an android user now, and the only thing i miss is preware1
Jun 29 03:03:11 <Decimate> !
Jun 29 03:03:27 <hborders> in fact, its in the liboauth source
Jun 29 03:03:36 <Tman> hborders: though I do see some .o's in other .a files I have (in addition to the weird numbers)
Jun 29 03:04:23 <hborders> just try to build liboauth/build/src/tests/oauthexample.c
Jun 29 03:04:28 <hborders> that's what I'm trying to do
Jun 29 03:04:49 <hborders> I built it just fine on i386 in xcode
Jun 29 03:05:00 <hborders> cant build it with the static lib
Jun 29 03:06:05 <Tman> k
Jun 29 03:09:04 <hborders> thanks tman
Jun 29 03:11:01 <etx> you guys rock
Jun 29 03:11:09 <etx> that is all :D
Jun 29 03:11:43 <Tman> ehe
Jun 29 03:13:26 <Tman> hborders: I get lots of undefined references too
Jun 29 03:13:59 <hborders> tman: I'm glad I'm not completely off base then I guess. :)
Jun 29 03:14:05 <hborders> tman: any ideas on how to proceed?
Jun 29 03:14:17 <hborders> tman: or a time when others might be available to help?
Jun 29 03:15:26 <Tman> hborders: well.. the example manages to build in WIDK.. maybe try finding the line that it actually uses to build and reproduce a successful build, then try modifying it to use the static lib
Jun 29 03:16:11 <Tman> finding out whether or not you can build it statically in WIDK will help in finding the problem I'm sure
Jun 29 03:17:09 <hborders> tman: ok.  I have widk building with shared libs, which the tests prefer.  I'll disable those and hopefully, the tests will be executable, and I can try them on my device
Jun 29 03:17:19 <hborders> do you think the pdk forums will be any help?
Jun 29 03:17:40 <Tman> hborders: possibly, but I would find out as much as you can first
Jun 29 03:18:02 <Tman> so try everything
Jun 29 03:18:27 <hborders> tman: ok.  I'll keep plugging.  thanks for your help
Jun 29 03:18:28 <Tman> that way you can whittle the problem down to its basic core
Jun 29 03:18:31 <Tman> no problem
Jun 29 04:03:10 <hborders> I built it with WIDK and it works just fine
Jun 29 04:03:39 <hborders> I just disabled shared libs and moved the oauthexample binary onto my pre and it ran great
Jun 29 04:03:59 <hborders> so now I need to figure out what's up with my compiler settings. :)
Jun 29 04:04:31 <Tman> hborders: ehe.. now you're closer!
Jun 29 04:04:53 <hborders> tman:yeah, this is actually very encouraging.
Jun 29 04:05:51 <Tman> good to hear :)
Jun 29 04:06:53 <ka6sox> novaterm
Jun 29 04:07:28 <Tman> ka6sox: hey there
Jun 29 04:07:47 <ka6sox> hiya
Jun 29 04:28:30 <hborders> Is there a reason why WIDK doesn't have libcurl or libcrypto build as static libs?
Jun 29 04:28:54 <hborders> My app ran fine on the pre, so I'm guessing those libs are present on the pre
Jun 29 04:29:04 <hborders> but I would prefer having my own statics I could link to
Jun 29 04:29:07 <Tman> hborders: try taking out the --disable-static or equivalent.. there was one lib that I took it out on and it worked fine
Jun 29 04:29:37 <hborders> tman: I will, but I'm just curious about why it was done.  I'm sure someone had a reason for it.
Jun 29 04:31:03 <Tman> hborders: yeah.. it may have been a reason in the past that doesn't apply anymore or something.. I asked rwhitby about it and he didn't care that I took it out in the repo
Jun 29 04:31:28 <hborders> oic.  cool
Jun 29 04:31:36 <hborders> perhaps I'll do that for my libs too
Jun 29 04:31:53 <hborders> tman: do you have commit rights, or do you just submit patches to rwhitby?
Jun 29 04:32:44 <Tman> hborders: I can commit.. if you offer to add libs he might give them to you as well (probably, but I can't speak for him)
Jun 29 04:33:11 <rwhitby> hborders: so the reason we do everything as shared libs is to link against palm's lib where possible
Jun 29 04:33:46 <hborders> rwhitby: that makes sense.  but isn't it possible that palm might remove that lib and then our app breaks?
Jun 29 04:34:11 <ka6sox> he he
Jun 29 04:34:40 <rwhitby> hborders: yep
Jun 29 04:35:07 <rwhitby> hborders: note that WIDK was set up before anyone had any idea about the acceptance criteria for PDK or Hybrid apps.
Jun 29 04:35:09 <Tman> rwhitby: ah, thanks.. I didn't know
Jun 29 04:35:50 <rwhitby> hborders: and yeah, if you're keen to help improve WIDK we'll happily give you commit rights
Jun 29 04:35:53 <hborders> rwhitby: that makes perfect sense.  Given that, would you accept patches to the cross-compile system that turn on generation of static libs?
Jun 29 04:36:12 <rwhitby> hborders: yep, generating both static and shared is fine.
Jun 29 04:36:47 <rwhitby> hborders: what background do you have in open source development?
Jun 29 04:37:17 <hborders> rwhitby: awesome.  thanks for the input.  WIDK works great btw.  It built the oauth example just fine.  the pdk-example build leaves something to be desired. :)
Jun 29 04:37:36 <hborders> rwhitby: I was a committer for apache myfaces, and I've submitted patches to eclipse
Jun 29 05:12:09 <slhawkins> Got a quick question for those using the Pre Plus, with medium usage, what have you found to be a good setting for compcache?
Jun 29 05:12:53 <Kyusaku> Pre Pluses need compcache, what?
Jun 29 05:15:15 <sjsharksfan> hello
Jun 29 05:17:37 <slhawkins> nah, just curious what settings other people have them at
Jun 29 05:17:44 <slhawkins> I've got 64mb right now
Jun 29 05:26:59 <Kyusaku> you don't really need it on unless you have too many card error issues
Jun 29 05:27:46 <jhojho> beerad's video is internet famous. well at least 2501 people internet famous
Jun 29 05:27:51 <slhawkins> which I've never got..
Jun 29 05:34:41 <ianzzz> I got a simple question, anyone in here?
Jun 29 05:34:49 <ka6sox> slhawkins, 16MB....right where it should be
Jun 29 05:35:12 <ka6sox> nobody here but us chickens.
Jun 29 05:35:14 <ianzzz> yes?
Jun 29 05:35:21 <ianzzz> haha.
Jun 29 05:36:11 <ianzzz> alright, so my question is, in Govnah, the compcache memlimit. Do I want it higher or lower to get speed?
Jun 29 05:36:12 <cryptk|wirc> hola everyone
Jun 29 05:36:24 <cryptk|wirc> plus or sprint?
Jun 29 05:36:31 <ianzzz> sprint
Jun 29 05:36:57 <cryptk|wirc> leave it at 16 or 24
Jun 29 05:37:28 <ianzzz> which would be best?
Jun 29 05:37:32 <cryptk|wirc> it is a balancing act really and the right answer varies depending on how you use your phone
Jun 29 05:38:22 <cryptk|wirc> if you do alot of multitasking with data that compresses well,try 24
Jun 29 05:38:45 <cryptk|wirc> if you just want to make TMC stop going off for no reason leave it at 16
Jun 29 05:38:58 <ianzzz> oh, well casual gaming, not 3d games or anything big. Lotta browsing, pandora, and texting aot
Jun 29 05:39:35 <cryptk|wirc> best bet, leave it at 16, if you still get TMC then try out 24
Jun 29 05:40:02 <cryptk|wirc> setting it too high is not good either so leave it as low as you can and only bump it up if needed.
Jun 29 05:40:09 <ianzzz> alright, thanks a lot
Jun 29 05:40:17 <cryptk|wirc> I am on a sprint pre and 16 works great for me
Jun 29 05:41:42 <rbredow> For Save/Restore, I seem to remember a message from a while back that you want us devs to provide something? Anything I can do to add Paratrooper to the save/restore list?
Jun 29 05:44:41 <cryptk|wirc> rbredow: that would be an rwhitby or oil question...
Jun 29 05:45:12 <rbredow> Got it. Next time I see them I'll check in with them.
Jun 29 05:45:14 <rwhitby> rbredow: I thought it was already there.
Jun 29 05:45:23 <rbredow> Generally, do you know if they just need an IPK or some code?
Jun 29 05:45:31 <rbredow> Oh...might already be! I guess I should have started with that.
Jun 29 05:45:32 <rbredow> :)
Jun 29 05:45:43 <rwhitby> rbredow: yep, I added it a long time ago, just after I bought it.
Jun 29 05:45:48 <cryptk|wirc> I know they add random apps to it all the time...
Jun 29 05:45:48 <rbredow> Nice...Thanks!
Jun 29 05:46:00 <rwhitby> rbredow: it just uses cookies for everything, right?
Jun 29 05:46:10 <rbredow> rwhitby: Yup. Cookies only.
Jun 29 05:46:13 <cryptk|wirc> rwhitby: are you guys still accepting bounties to get apps added in?
Jun 29 05:46:30 <rwhitby> cryptk|wirc: yep.  there's a couple of people doing scripts now
Jun 29 05:47:00 <rbredow> I've got another (probably dumb) question. Can Preware upgrade itself OTA? I've never had luck with it ever completing.
Jun 29 05:47:14 <cryptk|wirc> another question... you know how govnah used to have the card update while it was 'minimized' (or am I just crazy)
Jun 29 05:47:34 <rwhitby> yeah, the battery draining mode?
Jun 29 05:47:53 <rwhitby> rbredow: yeah, OTA upgrade is recommended for Preware
Jun 29 05:48:10 <rwhitby> rbredow: it shuts itself down at the end of the upgrade, and you start up the new version
Jun 29 05:48:49 <rbredow> rwhitby: Hmmm...mine tends to get stuck trying to upgrade itself. Then if I eventually (say after 30 mins) kill the card Preware is broken and I have to reinstall via USB.
Jun 29 05:48:50 <cryptk|wirc> rwhitby: indeed, lol... would it be possible to have a toggle in options to turn that back on?
Jun 29 05:49:06 <cryptk|wirc> perhaps with a warning about the battery drain?
Jun 29 05:49:11 <rwhitby> cryptk|wirc: oil is working on a dashboard mode
Jun 29 05:49:18 <slhawkins> would anyone be willing to run an accelerometer test on their pre? I'm trying to figure out if mines broke or not...
Jun 29 05:49:38 <cryptk|wirc> slhawkins: use the built in device test
Jun 29 05:50:16 <slhawkins> cryptk|wirc: doesn't work :(
Jun 29 05:50:30 <cryptk|wirc> rwhitby: do you know if the dashboard will be configurable as far as what it shows?
Jun 29 05:50:32 <slhawkins> cryptk|wirc: So I'm going to guess it's broke.. I had it do the rotation once
Jun 29 05:50:47 <slhawkins> cryptk|wirc: of course that one time was at the AT&T store when I was telling them it's broke.
Jun 29 05:53:10 <cryptk|wirc> slhawkins: so if you do the screen tests now it fails the accelerometer test?
Jun 29 05:54:17 <slhawkins> cryptk|wirc: yes, I tested the code on palms web site with the accelerometer test, it lists the X,Y,Z, Roll and Pitch..
Jun 29 05:54:29 <slhawkins> cryptk|wirc: But I have no idea what normal is so I can say if mine's even close
Jun 29 05:54:57 <slhawkins> cryptk|wirc: It records changes.. but it's not center correctly
Jun 29 05:55:18 <cryptk|wirc> I am not at a computer atm so unless that app is in a web or beta feed or something I can't do it.. sorry
Jun 29 05:55:49 <slhawkins> cryptk|wirc: no worries, thanks though
Jun 29 05:55:59 <rbredow> slhawkins: I have a pre at my computer...want me to run something quickly?
Jun 29 05:56:09 <rbredow> my accelerometer works too.
Jun 29 05:56:17 <rbredow> (My app "attitude" uses it)
Jun 29 05:56:38 <slhawkins> yeah, if you would, I just packaged it with Ares.. once sec while I get it uploaded
Jun 29 05:56:45 <rbredow> Ok.
Jun 29 05:57:40 <slhawkins> http://www.slhawkins.com/com.mycompany.app1_1.0.0_all.ipk
Jun 29 05:58:58 <slhawkins> rbredow: laying flat my Pre hits .31, 1.45, -1.50  X,Y,Z...
Jun 29 05:59:04 <rbredow> Got it running here.
Jun 29 05:59:21 <slhawkins> rbredow: Roll/Pitch is 8.44/43.41..
Jun 29 05:59:30 <rbredow> slhawkins: Laying it flat on it's back, I get X = nearly 0  Y = nearly 0 and Z = nearly -1.0
Jun 29 05:59:51 <slhawkins> rbredow: great, so mind is off :S Thanks
Jun 29 05:59:52 <rbredow> Roll/Pitch both hover around 0. On mine, pitch is around +1.5
Jun 29 06:00:27 <slhawkins> rbredow: yep, definitely of a bit!
Jun 29 06:00:29 <rbredow> Unless gravity is off in your area. :)
Jun 29 06:00:40 <slhawkins> Yeah, I have a strange feeling I know what caused it
Jun 29 06:01:04 <rbredow> a drop?
Jun 29 06:01:34 <slhawkins> rbredow: I decided to run into a cement barrier at full speed.. it tore a hole in my camies perfectly sized around my phone
Jun 29 06:01:52 <slhawkins> rbredow: maybe not ran into.. but brushed against it pretty hard
Jun 29 06:02:10 <rbredow> Wow...I guess your lucky that you are here to report on a messed up accelerometer.
Jun 29 06:02:17 <slhawkins> everything seemed fine until I opened the browser..
Jun 29 06:02:30 <slhawkins> lucky? lucky it wasn't worse?
Jun 29 06:03:11 <rbredow> That's was I was thinking. A cement barrier at full speed sounds pretty rough.
Jun 29 06:03:35 <slhawkins> I don't know much how they work. But do you think it'd be possible to calibrate my phone to what my new.. "0" is
Jun 29 06:04:03 <slhawkins> yeah, considering my 3 mile is 18 minutes... just guess how quick I can sprint 100 yards ..
Jun 29 06:04:28 <slhawkins> and I brushed right through it too, and kept going, got a good sized bruise..
Jun 29 06:04:59 <rbredow> bummer
Jun 29 06:05:29 <slhawkins> so now the question becomes. (Assuming I can't calibrate it or at least stop my browser from opening upside down..) Should I take it to the warranty center? They said if something's wrong that was my fault, they'd charge $500 and some change..
Jun 29 06:05:36 <slhawkins> or lose the sucker, and pay $125..
Jun 29 06:06:17 <slhawkins> I can't even get my Y to equal 0, no matter what I do
Jun 29 06:06:42 <rwhitby> slhawkins: is it just an offset that is incorrect?
Jun 29 06:07:28 <slhawkins> rwhitby: I hope so, It seems to work, it changes as I moved the device. So I've been trying to find a way to calibrate it
Jun 29 06:07:48 <slhawkins> If I find a way to do so, it might work like new again
Jun 29 06:08:07 <rwhitby> slhawkins: meta-doctor can do that
Jun 29 06:08:26 <rwhitby> (with a bit of manual work)
Jun 29 06:08:38 <slhawkins> most anything is worth $125 ;)
Jun 29 06:09:10 <rwhitby> slhawkins: cat /dev/tokens/ACCELCAL
Jun 29 06:10:01 <rwhitby> that's the values flashed into the NVRAM at manufacture.  Meta-Doctor can change them (that's how it changes the keyboard type)
Jun 29 06:11:04 <cryptk|wirc> anyone care to see my sun spider results from palm default and 1GHz runs?
Jun 29 06:11:34 <slhawkins> cryptk|wirc: I wouldn't mind seeing them, I still haven't done mine yet
Jun 29 06:11:56 <slhawkins> rwhitby: Thanks
Jun 29 06:11:59 <cryptk|wirc> oops...
Jun 29 06:12:12 <cryptk|wirc> didn't realize that link was so long...
Jun 29 06:12:19 <cryptk|wirc> let be bitly them
Jun 29 06:12:47 <cryptk|wirc> stock: http://bit.ly/aISGlv
Jun 29 06:13:11 <jhoatt> enh
Jun 29 06:13:14 <cryptk|wirc> 1GHz: http://bit.ly/cnRFU9
Jun 29 06:13:33 <rbredow> Wow...that's substantial.
Jun 29 06:13:43 <jhoatt> sunspider runs in 9ms at 1.4ghz
Jun 29 06:13:58 <cryptk|wirc> you can go to the 1GHz one and paste in the crazy long link to get the comparison
Jun 29 06:14:05 <slhawkins> oh yeah, at least twice the speed it seems.. impressive
Jun 29 06:14:09 <cryptk|wirc> it says 2.35x faster...
Jun 29 06:14:44 <jhoatt> that's nothing sunspider can run in 10s at 1005 with higher volting. been there done that
Jun 29 06:14:54 <slhawkins> crazy, for only a 400MHz boost
Jun 29 06:15:03 <cryptk|wirc> jhoatt: you show me a link for sunspider doing that at 1005
Jun 29 06:16:13 <cryptk|wirc> jhoatt: also show me some info stating that higher voltage = faster speed
Jun 29 06:16:39 <rbredow> Have any of you super-hackers taken a look at patching the built-in messaging app to allow it to talk to an arbitrary jabber server?
Jun 29 06:16:40 <cryptk|wirc> unless we are having stability issues due to low volts.
Jun 29 06:16:57 <cryptk|wirc> indeed, it has been done
Jun 29 06:16:57 <jhoatt> meh. it was a while ago. don't have the link handy anymore
Jun 29 06:17:08 <cryptk|wirc> that is how the facebook patch works
Jun 29 06:17:29 <cryptk|wirc> jhoatt: << linux overclocker...
Jun 29 06:17:48 <rbredow> cryptk|wirc: I'll take a look at that...
Jun 29 06:18:16 <cryptk|wirc> rbredow: IIRC it takes a tweak to the hosts file and then you just add it as a google talk account.
Jun 29 06:19:02 <cryptk|wirc> btw, I had a few background apps open during those runs
Jun 29 06:19:16 <jhoatt> <<?
Jun 29 06:19:22 <cryptk|wirc> but I didn't open or close any between runs.
Jun 29 06:19:41 <cryptk|wirc> meant to have those point at my name, not yours, lol
Jun 29 06:19:44 <rwhitby> cryptk|wirc: check the kernels/patches.git repo for jhoatt's name ...
Jun 29 06:19:51 <cryptk|wirc> I know
Jun 29 06:19:54 <rbredow> cryptik|wirc: Do you think I can find any docs on how to set that up somewhere?
Jun 29 06:19:56 <cryptk|wirc> I was curious
Jun 29 06:20:13 <cryptk|wirc> about the voltage speed thing
Jun 29 06:20:41 <cryptk|wirc> I have never read that anywhere, just that it increases stability (which makes sense)
Jun 29 06:21:03 <cryptk|wirc> I was honestly asking, didn't mean for it to come off as sarcastic, lol
Jun 29 06:21:05 <slhawkins> if that's the case, it would seem we're running slightly unstable
Jun 29 06:21:08 <rwhitby> rbredow: http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/10/31/
Jun 29 06:21:23 <rbredow> rwhitby: awesome, thanks.
Jun 29 06:21:58 <jhoatt> well that's why it's experimental
Jun 29 06:22:06 <cryptk|wirc> yes, hence my question about if we are having stability issues, increased voltages giving better results then would make sense to me
Jun 29 06:22:14 <jhoatt> we don't know where the limits are
Jun 29 06:22:20 <jhoatt> until we try
Jun 29 06:22:28 <slhawkins> so how is my battery going down while plugged in?
Jun 29 06:22:33 <cryptk|wirc> the limits are technically whenever it melts
Jun 29 06:23:03 <rwhitby> slhawkins: there are little chemical reactions happening in response to the flow of electrons ... ;)
Jun 29 06:23:16 <jhoatt> I have a patch where there's OPP8. the phone is clocked for 1005 and runs like a 720
Jun 29 06:23:22 <jhoatt> go figure
Jun 29 06:23:33 <cryptk|wirc> I also noticed that warthog on the wire locks at 500 even with screen on, on the stone screen on though it doesnt
Jun 29 06:23:49 <rwhitby> yep, all the kernels do that
Jun 29 06:24:19 <cryptk|wirc> any reason why it doesn't lock to stock speed on the stone?
Jun 29 06:25:34 <slhawkins> what's the max temp you guys would let your phone get to?
Jun 29 06:25:52 <slhawkins> the thing runs hotter then my computer :(
Jun 29 06:26:02 <cryptk|wirc> I am willing to push it to 50
Jun 29 06:26:09 <rwhitby> cryptk|wirc: cause the code checks for 1000mA rather than 700mA
Jun 29 06:26:14 <jhoatt> ka6sox: has it at 67 right now
Jun 29 06:26:39 <cryptk|wirc> ahh, so the lower charge of the stone doesn't trip it... gotcha
Jun 29 06:27:16 <rwhitby> it's purely a coding decision, we could make it trip at 600mA if we wanted to
Jun 29 06:27:16 <cryptk|wirc> do you know if the screenstate governor monitors the temp at all?
Jun 29 06:27:34 <cryptk|wirc> yes, I understand
Jun 29 06:27:52 <slhawkins> cryptk|wirc: my test beat ya :P only barely, how did you paste the link?
Jun 29 06:27:57 <rwhitby> cryptk|wirc: it does not.  yet.
Jun 29 06:28:25 <cryptk|wirc> slhawkins: I used the bit.ly app to shorten the links
Jun 29 06:28:42 <cryptk|wirc> and used gesture+c and gesture+v to copy paste
Jun 29 06:28:57 <cryptk|wirc> bit.ly app = awesome
Jun 29 06:29:34 <cryptk|wirc> rwhitby: I am going to read into that as "it is in the plans"
Jun 29 06:29:46 <cryptk|wirc> would def make this much safer
Jun 29 06:30:31 <ka6sox> cryptk|wirc, most battery chargers monitor battery temps.
Jun 29 06:30:45 <ka6sox> and this one does the same.
Jun 29 06:30:52 <slhawkins> http://bit.ly/bgF8hR
Jun 29 06:31:18 <Robi_> http://hastheoilstoppedleakingyet.com/
Jun 29 06:31:52 <cryptk|wirc> ka6sox: yes, but I was thinking more about having the kernel (the governor) monitor the core temp and cut down to 500 if it gets too high
Jun 29 06:32:27 <ka6sox> cryptk|wirc, thats doable.
Jun 29 06:33:00 <slhawkins> ok, good night guys. I'll have to come in here more often and learn stuff.
Jun 29 06:33:01 <cryptk|wirc> ka6sox: yep, my desktop does it, so it should be doable on the pre...
Jun 29 06:33:11 <cryptk|wirc> slhawkins: later
Jun 29 06:33:19 <ka6sox> later slhawkins
Jun 29 06:36:51 <cryptk|wirc> hrm... wonder how hard it would be to write an app/service that would be an interface to aptitude on my servers...
Jun 29 06:37:47 <cryptk|wirc> too bad I don't speak C... or C++... or java...
Jun 29 06:38:02 <cryptk|wirc> I can bash like a mofo though, lol
Jun 29 06:38:13 <sjsharksfan> was wanting to inquire about the latest update for the warthog-61
Jun 29 06:38:14 <rbredow> I seem to have gotten my "Preware" in a bad state. Even after deleting/reinstalling via usb/rebooting I get this message after startup: "The service version is too old. First try rebooting your phone, or reinstall Preware and try again"
Jun 29 06:38:47 <cryptk|wirc> do you have package manager installed by chance?
Jun 29 06:39:28 <rbredow> I don't recall if it was installed earlier...this Pre hasn't been doctored in a long time. No icon for it.
Jun 29 06:39:29 <cryptk|wirc> I only ever saw that once before... a friend somehow had package manager service and the 'new service integrated preware' at the same time...
Jun 29 06:39:35 <rwhitby> rbredow: did you update from a really old version or something?
Jun 29 06:39:50 <cryptk|wirc> there wasn't an icon for PMS
Jun 29 06:39:52 <rbredow> Yes. I think I skipped a couple of point upgrades when I did this latest.
Jun 29 06:40:01 <rbredow> No icon for package manager.
Jun 29 06:40:12 <rbredow> right
Jun 29 06:40:14 <rwhitby> rbredow: you've got palm-install, right?
Jun 29 06:40:14 <cryptk|wirc> there isn't supposed to be one
Jun 29 06:40:27 <rbredow> Got it.
Jun 29 06:40:34 <rbredow> Yes, I've got palm-install
Jun 29 06:40:39 <rwhitby> rbredow: Pre?
Jun 29 06:40:46 <rbredow> Yes. Sprint Pre.
Jun 29 06:40:54 <rwhitby> rbredow: grab http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/org.webosinternals.preware_1.1.4_arm.ipk and palm-install it
Jun 29 06:41:21 <rbredow> installing now...
Jun 29 06:41:24 <rwhitby> (Preware installation is trivial for developers)
Jun 29 06:42:06 <rbredow> Re-installed...but same complaint about the service version being too old.
Jun 29 06:44:40 <cryptk|wirc> make sure PMS isn't installed... that is the only time I have ever seen that one.
Jun 29 06:45:12 <cryptk|wirc> and I have no clue how that guy got new preware and PMS at the same time, lol
Jun 29 06:45:48 <rbredow> I think it probably happened to me since I had a failed OTA upgrade (and probably skipped a couple of versions).
Jun 29 06:46:03 <rbredow> How can I check to see if PMS is still installed? Where does it end up?
Jun 29 06:46:24 <cryptk|wirc> you could check with QI
Jun 29 06:46:56 <cryptk|wirc> but I thought the current preware packages remove it automagically
Jun 29 06:47:25 <rbredow> QI only reports that Diffstat and GNU Patch are installed (checking using the device management menu)
Jun 29 06:47:51 <cryptk|wirc> odd... it doesn't list any other apps at all?
Jun 29 06:48:14 <rbredow> Nope.
Jun 29 06:50:24 <cryptk|wirc> rbredow: did you have a bad update from 1.3.5 by chance?
Jun 29 06:51:01 <rbredow> A bad preware update? Maybe. I've had some problems with my preware upgrades the last few times.
Jun 29 06:51:15 <rbredow> I've never remembered any problems with the OS upgrades.
Jun 29 06:52:07 <cryptk|wirc> hrm...
Jun 29 06:52:37 <cryptk|wirc> sounds similar to what the emergency migration helper fixed... but that was so long ago I can't be sure
Jun 29 06:53:05 <cryptk|wirc> similar symptoms to the whole bad app migration issue...
Jun 29 06:53:18 <cryptk|wirc> apps not showing as installed and whatnot...
Jun 29 06:53:53 <cryptk|wirc> rwhitby: any ideas? ESE maybe?
Jun 29 06:54:04 <rwhitby> rbredow: orange+tap preware to delete.  reboot.  palm-install to reinstall
Jun 29 06:54:19 <rbredow> I'll give that a shot now.
Jun 29 06:54:39 <rbredow> Curiously, my phone is indicating "phone offline" now in the upper left. Seems to be in a strange state.
Jun 29 06:55:04 <rwhitby> smells like have the java service is still there
Jun 29 06:55:39 <rwhitby> s/have/half/
Jun 29 06:55:39 <infobot> rwhitby meant: smells like half the java service is still there
Jun 29 06:55:51 <cryptk|wirc> damn.... google mobile still broken... where is the webos love google...
Jun 29 07:02:40 <rbredow> Aha! Loading feeds. That was the magic sequence.
Jun 29 07:03:07 <rbredow> In my previous attempts, I think I rebooted after running the freshly installed app, instead of after deleting the old app.
Jun 29 07:03:11 <rbredow> Thanks a lot guys.
Jun 29 07:03:23 * rbredow makes a mental not to not skip Preware versions.
Jun 29 07:04:39 <rbredow> s/not/note/
Jun 29 07:05:59 <rwhitby> rbredow: it *should* update cleanly :)
Jun 29 07:06:37 <rbredow> I'm pretty sure it got interrupted halfway through an update months ago and never fully recovered.
Jun 29 07:10:01 <cryptk|wirc> rwhitby... always fixing all the everything... lol
Jun 29 07:10:47 <rbredow> Can't tell if it's just my imagination, but the Pre feels faster now overall. Could a half installed PMS have been running in the background and slowing me down?
Jun 29 07:13:06 <cryptk|wirc> I wouldn't  think it would make a big difference... PMS didn't really do anything at all unless preware was running and accessing it... other than that it idled quite well.
Jun 29 07:13:08 <jhojho> wanted: someone who knows the linux cmd line and does not mind doctoring their phone for some tests
Jun 29 07:13:19 <jhojho> msg me if interested.
Jun 29 07:13:39 <cryptk|wirc> jhojho: do you need this person now? if not I can work with ya tomorrow!
Jun 29 07:13:42 <jhojho> warning: the changes you have to doctor is *HIGH*
Jun 29 07:13:46 <rbredow> cryptk|wirc: Probably just a fresh reboot feeling fast for a few minutes.
Jun 29 07:13:50 <jhojho> no not right now
Jun 29 07:13:56 <rwhitby> rbredow: a half-installed service could have been in a respawn loop
Jun 29 07:13:57 <jhojho> but at some point
Jun 29 07:14:35 <rbredow> maybe that was it. In any case, I'm very pleased with the fix. Thanks again.
Jun 29 07:22:06 <rbredow> Now that I have a running Preware and doing some cleaning, should I remove the "upstart manager service" too? I seem to remember that was from before the days where PDK's could just run.
Jun 29 07:24:22 <rwhitby> try and remove it in preware and it will tell you if anything still depends on i
Jun 29 07:24:23 <rwhitby> t
Jun 29 07:24:50 <cryptk|wirc> later everyone, sleepy time.
Jun 29 07:25:01 <rbredow> g'night
Jun 29 08:01:09 * rwhitby just completed a successful keyboard transplant
Jun 29 10:40:59 <bhuey> rwhitby: running with a 32M compcache and overclocked configuration, working nicely
Jun 29 14:55:36 <cryptk|work> so... is there a reason why Warthog 1.4.1-61 doesn't have the 1005 MHz OPP anymore?
Jun 29 14:57:57 <cryptk|work> Ahh, that's why... because it was changed to 1050
Jun 29 15:06:06 <MerlinMM> Just wanted to say once again (pass along), I will be putting $ where mouth is this evening:  THANKS!! for Preware + Save/Restore!  Just got new Pre and all patches painlessly reapplied in a few hours.
Jun 29 15:19:16 <cryptk|work> MerlinMM: all the big heads seem to be away at the moment, but I am sure they would say thanks a bunch if they were here
Jun 29 15:48:02 <MerlinMM> cryptk|work: Thanks for info.  gotta love wIRC too.  wasn't looking but I got a notification for your msg because it was a reply to me.
Jun 29 15:52:31 <en0x> ok so i will be getting pixi plus soon
Jun 29 15:52:33 <en0x> got it on ebay
Jun 29 15:55:30 <en0x> when it arrives i will have my sister to call att and they should give her the unlock code
Jun 29 15:55:33 <en0x> ;]
Jun 29 16:18:51 <cryptk|work> sweet deal en0x
Jun 29 16:24:37 <en0x> i got the pixi plus for 200 brand new
Jun 29 16:39:23 <Tman> en0x: you can bypass activation for development btw
Jun 29 16:44:22 <MetaView> 200 pixi plus? no contract?
Jun 29 16:52:06 <Xerocide> Is this the right place to ask questions about Preware installation?
Jun 29 16:55:08 <MetaView> well try it
Jun 29 16:55:43 <Xerocide> Every time I try to install Preware, it gives me some long error message and when I try to actually RUN Preware, it doesn't download the packages
Jun 29 16:56:50 <MetaView> which error msg?
Jun 29 16:58:41 <Xerocide> One moment, I'll see.
Jun 29 16:58:43 <halfhalo_pre> helloooooo houston!
Jun 29 17:00:01 <Xerocide> "ERROR: An error occured while attempting to run /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.preware.postinst"
Jun 29 17:34:16 <cryptk|work> en0x: are did you get the pixi for developement? or for normal use?
Jun 29 17:34:34 <cryptk|work> you could meta doctor and bypass activation if it is just for developement
Jun 29 17:34:42 <cryptk|work> lol, just noticed Tman mentioned that, haha
Jun 29 17:50:44 <cryptk|work> is anyone on with a pre plus running a 1GHz kernel?
Jun 29 17:50:55 <cryptk|work> I want to see the sun spider benchmark numbers for one...
Jun 29 17:51:02 <cryptk|work> to compare to my sprint pre
Jun 29 17:57:32 <uNiXpSyChO> why would it be any different?
Jun 29 18:05:25 <cryptk|work> I am just curious if the extra ram would help it
Jun 29 18:05:46 <cryptk|work> I can get consistent 10.6 seconds on it
Jun 29 18:05:53 <cryptk|work> on ym sprint pre
Jun 29 18:06:04 <cryptk|work> btw uNiXpSyChO, the 1050 speeds work AMAZING!
Jun 29 18:06:08 <cryptk|work> keep up the great work
Jun 29 18:06:29 <uNiXpSyChO> 1005 you mean ;P
Jun 29 18:06:43 <cryptk|work> well, the latest Govnah reports it as 1050 on warthog
Jun 29 18:08:36 <cryptk|work> lost my connection
Jun 29 18:08:53 <cryptk|work> Govnah reports it as 1050, /proc/cpuinfo says 1045.95 BogoMIPS
Jun 29 18:09:02 <cryptk|work> maybe Warthog is different?
Jun 29 18:09:16 <cryptk|work> not sure who is running that one
Jun 29 18:16:26 <uNiXpSyChO> maybe... cuz it stirred debate when i originally said somewhere 1.05GHz.
Jun 29 18:16:44 <en0x> hmm
Jun 29 18:17:09 <en0x> but didn't somebody say that 1ghz kernel won't do any difference as 800mhz?
Jun 29 18:18:05 <uNiXpSyChO> in most things it wouldnt.  IO wont be any faster and the DSP isnt running any faster.
Jun 29 18:18:51 <en0x> so whats the point of having 1ghz kernel? :P
Jun 29 18:18:54 <cryptk|work> so it only makes a difference when the system is at high load levels then?
Jun 29 18:18:58 <en0x> vpenis size?
Jun 29 18:18:59 <en0x> :>
Jun 29 18:19:15 <cryptk|work> because MOAR is always BETTAH
Jun 29 18:19:19 <cryptk|work> to quote a friend of mine
Jun 29 18:19:40 <en0x> hehe
Jun 29 18:20:00 <uNiXpSyChO> faster app execution when its already loaded.  but things that use the DSP wont be any faster.
Jun 29 18:36:33 <TimFreeman> I have a Palm Pre emulator running SDK 1.4.5, and I'd like to do network address translation on it.  "iptables -t nat -Lvn" fails because there is no "nat" table.  Do I have to compile my own kernel to get NAT, or is there a kernel module I can download and install?
Jun 29 18:40:15 <TimFreeman> Does UberKernel do NAT?
Jun 29 18:42:49 * cryptk|work hates his connection
Jun 29 18:43:20 <nn7> any woork being dne oon a blluetooth keyboooooooooooard suppoort?
Jun 29 18:45:31 <ka6sox> until Palm gives us SPP support in the BT module then nothing can be done
Jun 29 18:47:34 <ka6sox> (at least thats what I've heard)
Jun 29 18:48:25 <en0x> recompile the modules?
Jun 29 18:48:31 <en0x> can't we just do that?
Jun 29 18:50:25 <swisstomcat> heya
Jun 29 18:50:34 <swisstomcat> interesting thread
Jun 29 18:50:36 <swisstomcat> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=7867
Jun 29 18:50:46 <swisstomcat> (he posted this with an hp email address first)
Jun 29 18:54:26 <MetaView> yes, one need a layer beneath serial emulation to make HID working
Jun 29 18:56:06 <en0x> w00t w00t
Jun 29 18:56:11 <en0x> palm is going crazy
Jun 29 18:56:19 <en0x> they just waved the app submission fees
Jun 29 18:56:29 <en0x> guys prepare for brightlabs apps flood
Jun 29 18:56:30 <en0x> :D
Jun 29 18:56:31 <swisstomcat> yeah
Jun 29 18:56:44 <swisstomcat> looks like they've got money to spare
Jun 29 18:56:52 <en0x> yap
Jun 29 18:57:03 <swisstomcat> reimbursing all the past submission fees
Jun 29 18:57:23 <en0x> i want pdk apps already!
Jun 29 18:57:30 <en0x> ok so who have pixi and pre?
Jun 29 18:57:53 <en0x> because I couldn't play with pixi at att store
Jun 29 18:58:04 <en0x> coz it was at activation screen :S
Jun 29 18:58:20 <en0x> is it very slow comparing to pre on stock kernel?
Jun 29 18:59:43 <MetaView> a friend of mine is very pleased with its pixi
Jun 29 18:59:56 <MetaView> and doesn't complain about slow
Jun 29 18:59:57 <en0x> i just want to know coz i got att pixi plus
Jun 29 19:00:05 <en0x> and it will be used in europe
Jun 29 19:00:09 <MetaView> but the text entering is quite fast, no slider to open
Jun 29 19:00:59 <en0x> MetaView: yap win there
Jun 29 19:01:06 <en0x> my pre is crapping out
Jun 29 19:01:19 <en0x> i get some disortion on screen when i open apps
Jun 29 19:01:28 <MetaView> really?
Jun 29 19:01:45 <en0x> yap
Jun 29 19:01:58 <en0x> they appear for like 2-3 seconds and dissapear
Jun 29 19:02:06 <en0x> but it;s driving me nuts
Jun 29 19:02:43 <en0x> and i just want to hold off for next palm device
Jun 29 19:02:57 <en0x> because warranty on my pre expired and i dont have insurance through sprint
Jun 29 19:08:56 <rcube> enox: did you visit the "doctor"?
Jun 29 19:09:24 <rcube> enox: do you have reason to believe it's hardware related?
Jun 29 19:11:50 <en0x> eh
Jun 29 19:12:02 <en0x> why u ppl think that doctor will solve everything?
Jun 29 19:12:03 <en0x> :S
Jun 29 19:12:22 <en0x> this is linux not windows that u have to reinstall every 2 months
Jun 29 19:12:22 <en0x> :S
Jun 29 19:13:48 <rcube> true, although I never had to doctor my phone but I don't install many patches and I never installed patches on this phone before using preware and its advanced AUPT.
Jun 29 19:52:23 <rcube> Robi_: Tried the instructions in your PM. Still doesn't work to setup ad-hoc.
Jun 29 19:52:51 <rcube> Does anybody else have terminal installed on their Pre? I am trying to see why a particular command doesn't work.
Jun 29 19:58:34 <aaron__> thank god
Jun 29 19:58:37 <aaron__> villa scored
Jun 29 19:59:21 <swisstomcat> woot
Jun 29 20:00:42 <rcube> nobody running terminal app on their pre?
Jun 29 20:01:48 <aaron__> i'm using terminus
Jun 29 20:01:55 <aaron__> primarily because i like the icon
Jun 29 20:02:14 <aaron__> it really bugs me how shitty most 3rd party app icons are
Jun 29 20:06:35 <rcube> aaron_: i see. I haven't tried terminus. can you do me a favor if you get a chance?
Jun 29 20:08:07 <rcube> aaron__: (sorry, i got your nick wrong) Can you do me a favor if you get a chance?
Jun 29 20:09:10 <swisstomcat> what are you trying to do?
Jun 29 20:10:42 <rcube> I've been PMing with Robi_ who wrote a simple wiki page http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Ad-Hoc_Networking and I am trying to follow it in terminal but I am getting a syntax error message and he says it works on his pre.
Jun 29 20:11:13 <rcube> +swisstomcat: specifically -- Robi_ sayd I should be able to do the following without error:
Jun 29 20:11:14 <rcube> I opened terminal on the pre, typed:
Jun 29 20:11:14 <rcube> it said I am using Joplin EMU 2.0 platform (etc) Congratulations, WIFI is set up on your  platform. (GOOD!)
Jun 29 20:11:14 <rcube> Then I typed:
Jun 29 20:11:14 <rcube> iwconfig eth0 mode ad-hoc essid pre
Jun 29 20:11:15 <rcube> and I got
Jun 29 20:11:15 <rcube> Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) :
Jun 29 20:11:16 <rcube> SET failed on device eth0 ; Invalid argument
Jun 29 20:11:16 <rcube> This is bad. Not sure why I am getting this.
Jun 29 20:17:54 <rcube> surprising that I would have such a problem with a well documented linux command as iwconfig
Jun 29 20:22:51 <aaron__> is eth0 your wireless interface?
Jun 29 20:22:59 <aaron__> or is eth0 devoted to another interface
Jun 29 20:23:34 <aaron__> try: dmesg | grep ipw
Jun 29 20:23:48 <aaron__> and report back on the output
Jun 29 20:26:12 <aaron__> i'm not trying to insult your intelligence, but you also made sure to turn the wifi radio off manually prior to running that command, right?
Jun 29 20:54:30 <rcube> aaron__: thanks for your reply. I typed in iwconfig with no parameters and got that eth0 is the MRVL-SD8686.
Jun 29 20:55:19 <rcube> aaron__: no insult taken at all. I am assuredly a novice compared to you :)
Jun 29 20:55:32 <rcube> i will try dmesg
Jun 29 20:56:43 <rcube> radio was off prior to running the wifi command. correct.
Jun 29 20:58:18 <rcube> aaron__: when i type dmesg | grep ipw I don't get an output at all, just the bash, i.e. root@palm-webos-device:/var/home/root#
Jun 29 21:00:07 <rcube> aaron__: is there something I missed while my computer disconnected?
Jun 29 21:01:27 <Nettwerk> Hello all
Jun 29 21:01:41 <MetaView> hi you
Jun 29 21:01:57 <Nettwerk> How r u?
Jun 29 21:02:04 <MetaView> fine, thx
Jun 29 21:02:14 <Nettwerk> Quick question,
Jun 29 21:02:56 <Nettwerk> Where I can download F105 kernel?
Jun 29 21:03:24 <Nettwerk> I looking webos-iinternals wiki page, I can't find link
Jun 29 21:04:05 <Nettwerk> F105 = Compcatche isn't it?
Jun 29 21:05:26 <MetaView> don't know
Jun 29 21:05:36 <MetaView> webosinternals-beta feeds maybe?
Jun 29 21:05:59 <Nettwerk> No there
Jun 29 21:06:14 <rcube> what is ipw supposed to find in the dmesg output?
Jun 29 21:08:06 <MetaView> wait one more hour, maybe rwhitby wakes up
Jun 29 21:09:14 <rcube> aaron__ when I type in  ipt, then i get dropped packets in ppp0, but I am pretty sure that is my ev-do, right?
Jun 29 21:09:54 <rcube> my raw dmesg output doesn't seems to indicate anything about the wifi.
Jun 29 21:12:06 * IPF keeps getting disconnected
Jun 29 21:13:25 <egaudet_work> you can't iwconfig when it's not connected...
Jun 29 21:14:55 <IPF> so I need to connect to my ad-hoc network in order to connect to my ad-hoc network? (p.s. suddenly I am known as IPF (weird)
Jun 29 21:19:06 <rcube> egaudet_work: I'm feeling pretty dumb here, so I apologize for taking up so much time on this board for this. Buut - i need to be able to connect to a device with ip 192.168.0.11 on 255.255.255.0. I am told that my phone has to have an ip of 192.168.0.10 and that the ad-hoc ssid is PLX_Devices
Jun 29 21:19:56 <rcube> so am i supposed to use route before iwconfig or connect to another wifi before running iwconfig?
Jun 29 21:20:37 <egaudet_work> I don't know the context of the situation, just wanted to note that you can't "iwconfig eth0" when there is no eth0
Jun 29 21:21:11 <egaudet_work>  /usr/sbin/wifidriver -i
Jun 29 21:21:14 <rcube> i apologize, i ran /usr/sbin/wifidriver -i before.
Jun 29 21:21:20 <rcube> trying to follow wiki http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Ad-Hoc_Networking
Jun 29 21:21:22 <egaudet_work> is the first step you need to load the wifi
Jun 29 21:21:26 <egaudet_work> and then you do the iwconfig step
Jun 29 21:21:29 <rcube> yes
Jun 29 21:21:40 <rcube> got error (hold on a sec, let me look it up)
Jun 29 21:22:01 <egaudet_work> sorry, I just briefly read something about "shutting it off first" and didn't know the context
Jun 29 21:22:31 <rcube> I typed: iwconfig eth0 mode ad-hoc essid pre and I got Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06): SET failed on device eth0 ; Invalid argument
Jun 29 21:23:18 <egaudet_work> mode Ad-Hoc
Jun 29 21:24:00 <egaudet_work> hmm
Jun 29 21:24:25 <rcube> typed iwconfig eth0 mode Ad-Hoc essid pre this time, got same message
Jun 29 21:25:08 <rcube> Robi_ (who wrote the wiki page) PMed me that it works in terminal for him.
Jun 29 21:26:45 <rcube> aaron told me to try dmesg | grep ipw but that returned nothing. I'm not sure what ipw means
Jun 29 21:27:30 <egaudet_work> is your essid correct?
Jun 29 21:29:17 <egaudet_work> iwconfig eth0 mode ad-hoc doesn't work on my pre
Jun 29 21:31:16 <IPF> egaudet_work: sorry I keep getting disconnected. Any thoughts are more than appreciated!
Jun 29 21:34:43 <egaudet_work> sorry I don't know much about it
Jun 29 21:35:30 <rcube> hmm. well. guess I'm stuck then. strange that Robi_ would say that it works fine though. Does anybody know when he's online?
Jun 29 22:06:12 <rcube> this is ridiculous, I cant set the mode for eth0 to ANYTHING but Managed AT ALL. (argh!)...not Auto, Repeater, Master, or Ad-hoc. I looked at the wiki and then man pages (http://linux.die.net/man/8/iwconfig) and then Ubuntu community (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Adhoc) and it will not work. What are the chances that the iwconfig compiled by Palm does not allow this at all? (boooo!)
Jun 29 22:08:58 <egaudet_work> the firmware probably doesn't support it
Jun 29 22:11:21 <rcube> could the firmware be replaced between releases, thus allowing Robi_ to write the wiki page previously.
Jun 29 22:12:20 <egaudet_work> anything can be updated I believe
Jun 29 23:27:59 <cryptk|wirc> jhojho: ping
Jun 29 23:28:11 <jhoatt> yes
Jun 29 23:28:37 <jhoatt> out right now. but still want you to test
Jun 29 23:28:49 <jhoatt> how about in a couple hours?
Jun 29 23:29:04 <cryptk|wirc> cool, I was gonna tell you my interwebs are broken but should be fixed soon
Jun 29 23:29:11 <cryptk|wirc> so a couple hours is perfect
Jun 29 23:29:52 <cryptk|wirc> once my internet is back I will go ahead and grab the stuff from dbox so I will be ready to go.
Jun 29 23:30:58 <jhoatt> k
Jun 29 23:33:56 <pacemkr> hello, im running into problems trying to create my first patch
Jun 29 23:34:20 <pacemkr> as i understand i have to install quilt-lite per http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applying_Patches
Jun 29 23:34:52 <pacemkr> when i run quilt-bootstrap.sh this is the error http://pastebin.com/wX1WSFsv
Jun 29 23:36:27 <pacemkr> i should mention i have a pixi, and it seems that 'ipkg-opt update' is giving me a 404
Jun 29 23:40:03 <rwhitby> pacemkr: those instructions are horribly out of date
Jun 29 23:40:26 <pacemkr> evidently
Jun 29 23:40:43 <pacemkr> so what are the basic steps to create a patch nowadays?
Jun 29 23:41:14 <pacemkr> i have preware and Terminal installed and can ssh into the device
Jun 29 23:41:33 <pacemkr> ie. ive done the whole SSH key thing
Jun 29 23:41:39 <rwhitby> most people create them on the emulator these days I think
Jun 29 23:42:04 <rwhitby> have you used diff before ?
Jun 29 23:42:06 <pacemkr> yes
Jun 29 23:42:23 <rwhitby> it's just a diff -BurN rooted at /
Jun 29 23:42:50 <rwhitby> then you can use WOSQI to test it
Jun 29 23:43:01 <rwhitby> then submit it to the patches portal
Jun 29 23:43:48 <pacemkr> hmm
Jun 29 23:44:00 <pacemkr> diff needs two versions though, what do i diff with
Jun 29 23:44:48 <pacemkr> assuming i just go into the emulator and change the files.... how does diff know what the original looked like
Jun 29 23:45:27 <Tman> make a copy of the original and append .old to its name
Jun 29 23:46:38 <pacemkr> thanks, and how do I submit it to preware?
Jun 29 23:48:01 <Tman> idk.. apparently there's something called the "patches portal". I've never submitted one
Jun 29 23:48:12 <rwhitby> patches.webosinternals.org
Jun 29 23:48:51 <pacemkr> thank you
Jun 30 00:21:00 <BeeRad> *crickets*
Jun 30 00:21:48 <rwhitby> hey BeeRad - have you worked out how to profit from your youtube video yet?
Jun 30 00:22:16 <BeeRad> Its on your page Rod. Nope.
Jun 30 00:24:39 <BeeRad> rwhitby: I don't really think its going to get a ton more hits at this point. Its buried in the blogs.
Jun 30 00:26:45 <jhoatt> you could be the -internals social media expert
Jun 30 00:29:47 <BeeRad> jhoatt: Putting that title on me is a scary proposition. haha
Jun 30 00:30:46 <rwhitby> BeeRad already is the WebOS Internals Video Meister
Jun 30 00:31:47 * BeeRad wants to get a Pixi+ so I can show the world that the little "cute" phone can mean business. 
Jun 30 00:43:04 * rwhitby created a second unlocked EU QWERTY Pre last night by doing another successful keyboard transplant operation
Jun 30 00:43:27 <swishy> rwhitby: :)
Jun 30 00:44:17 <BeeRad> rwhitby: wow, this is sad. I don't even know where to get started to make ad revenue from videos on YouTube.
Jun 30 00:44:20 <rwhitby> I'm getting good at them now.  Don't even have to unplug the OMAP<->Comms cable any more :)
Jun 30 00:46:38 <cryptk> jhojho jhoatt I have the dbox all synced up, ready when you are
Jun 30 00:46:59 <jhoatt> ok. gimme 30 mins
Jun 30 00:47:24 <cryptk> jhoatt do I need to have the SDK installed? I have novacom but not the full SDK (but if you tell me not I can get it ready
Jun 30 00:47:32 <cryptk> s/not/now/
Jun 30 00:47:32 <infobot> cryptk meant: jhoatt do I need to have the SDK installed? I have novacom but now the full SDK (but if you tell me not I can get it ready
Jun 30 00:47:48 <jhoatt> nah that should be enuff
Jun 30 00:47:55 <cryptk> ok
Jun 30 00:56:03 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Apparently we (webOS Internals) don't qualify to be a partner with YouTube just yet. I think we need more videos and viewers. My video did pretty good. I guess I need to make more. It's in your account though and I don't want to make decisions without your knowing about it.
Jun 30 00:57:49 <rwhitby> BeeRad: please do make more
Jun 30 00:58:38 <rwhitby> BeeRad: and if you can work out how to get a revenue stream without there being blatant annoying ads everywhere, go for it (see the Google Ads on the bottom left of our wiki for an example)
Jun 30 00:59:59 <rwhitby> hmm - they seem to have disappeared.
Jun 30 01:00:17 * rwhitby rings up our web meister
Jun 30 01:02:45 <BeeRad> rwhitby: I'm sure its Google Ads. You have to have several videos under your belt that have thousands of hits. We need to keep this going. Obviously overclocking is what brings the attention, but it cant always be that. Unfortunately, I dont think something like screenstate or compcache is "wow" enough for sites like Engadget to pick up on.
Jun 30 01:03:39 <ka6sox-work> BeeRad, rwhitby : they are there for me....
Jun 30 01:04:30 <cryptk> I have been thinking about making a video tutorial showing how to go from bone stock pre to having preware, Govnah and latest release UberKernel
Jun 30 01:04:34 <cryptk> not testing kernel or anything
Jun 30 01:04:46 <cryptk> would you want that?
Jun 30 01:05:34 <jhoatt> do one that shows stock perf
Jun 30 01:06:05 <cryptk> indeed, it would be a before and after including the process to get to the after.
Jun 30 01:06:09 <jhoatt> and ends with f105 + faster card animations
Jun 30 01:06:16 <cryptk> lol
Jun 30 01:06:32 <cryptk> F105 isn't in the release feed though I thought
Jun 30 01:06:38 <cryptk> I thought it was testing feed only
Jun 30 01:06:39 <cryptk> brb
Jun 30 01:07:10 <jhoatt> faster card animations is good for at least 50hp
Jun 30 01:07:25 <cryptk> ahh, the sticker effect
Jun 30 01:08:37 <rwhitby> ka6sox-work: ah, yes.  I see them now too.
Jun 30 01:09:34 <rwhitby> msg BeeRad as far as Video Meister goes - go for it.  You have as much rope as you want :)
Jun 30 01:09:41 <rwhitby> s/msg//
Jun 30 01:09:42 <infobot> rwhitby meant:  BeeRad as far as Video Meister goes - go for it.  You have as much rope as you want :)
Jun 30 01:12:39 <rwhitby> Audemars02: hi
Jun 30 01:12:51 <Audemars02> Rwitby - hi, right back at ya
Jun 30 01:12:54 <rwhitby> jhoatt: did you say anyone can get an AT&T Pixi Plus unlocked by calling them up?
Jun 30 01:13:40 <jhoatt> yes
Jun 30 01:13:41 <BeeRad> rwhitby: I want rope, but not enough to hang us all. ha!
Jun 30 01:14:00 <cryptk> then just tie alot of knots in it... that will shorten it up
Jun 30 01:14:08 <rwhitby> Audemars02: jhoatt is your man :)
Jun 30 01:14:13 <Audemars02> let me find the article, but i believe that AT&T made a deal that any user who has had service for 90 days can get an unlock code for their device (as long as its not the iphone)
Jun 30 01:14:17 <jhoatt> BUT you need to know someone or have an active ATT sim not tied to that phone
Jun 30 01:14:18 <BeeRad> cryptk: do you do a lot of videos?
Jun 30 01:14:40 <rwhitby> jhoatt: so a prepaid sim card would do?
Jun 30 01:14:46 <cryptk> BeeRad not really
Jun 30 01:15:06 <rwhitby> jhoatt: or does the sim need to be active for 90 days?
Jun 30 01:15:07 <Audemars02> jhoatt -- my wife has a tmobile SIM...would that work, or do you need an actual AT&T SIM (as long as i can get the unlock code)
Jun 30 01:15:14 <cryptk> jhoatt would you prefer me in linux or windows for this btw?
Jun 30 01:15:37 <jhoatt> I have a loaner phone from our friends
Jun 30 01:15:49 <jhoatt> and it's att
Jun 30 01:15:51 * rwhitby has an AT&T sim sitting right here in Australia, which ka6sox-work forgot to take out of my German Pixi :)
Jun 30 01:16:03 <Audemars02> http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=9533
Jun 30 01:16:07 <jhoatt> audermars: find a friend with an iphone
Jun 30 01:16:13 <jhoatt> have them call
Jun 30 01:16:14 <cryptk> rwhitby: I would say you are good to go, LOL
Jun 30 01:16:26 <jhoatt> cryptk linux
Jun 30 01:16:35 <cryptk> jhoatt lemme reboot then, brb
Jun 30 01:16:38 <rwhitby> cryptk: it's not been active for 90 days though
Jun 30 01:16:59 <jhoatt> you can try
Jun 30 01:17:04 <Audemars02> yea...i have a friend with an AT&T Nexus One who is going to call for me to get the code...but he is not around for me to acutally use his SIM... i can try to find someone around here who i can borrow the SIM
Jun 30 01:17:35 <Audemars02> it jsut says the customer has to have had service for 90 days...doesnt specify that they have used that device for 90 days
Jun 30 01:18:05 <jhoatt> you don't need the physical att sim I think
Jun 30 01:18:27 <jhoatt> you just need to give them your phones imei
Jun 30 01:18:35 <ka6sox-work> rwhitby, heh...oh well.
Jun 30 01:18:37 <BeeRad> Silly question... does the + in front of the name mean the name is registered?
Jun 30 01:18:56 <rwhitby> BeeRad: nope
Jun 30 01:19:06 <BeeRad> explain?
Jun 30 01:19:43 <BeeRad> I want to register my name for the IRC.
Jun 30 01:19:56 <rwhitby> BeeRad: /msg nickserv register <password>
Jun 30 01:20:06 <cryptk> back
Jun 30 01:23:40 <Audemars02> Rod -- re: saving wifi profiles for save/restore ...  if i am reading the meta doctor data correctly, i should just need to save the var/preferences/com.palm.wifi/prefsDB.sl file, right, and the just restore that file to the right directory?
Jun 30 01:24:09 <rwhitby> yep
Jun 30 01:24:18 <Audemars02> sweet!  writing up that script now! :-)
Jun 30 01:24:42 <rwhitby> Audemars02 is our new Save/Restore Meister
Jun 30 01:24:53 <cryptk> rwhitby, saverestore saves preware info right? and if so what info does it save? just the prefrences/feeds? or does it save a list of patches as well?
Jun 30 01:25:12 <rwhitby> cryptk: preferences and saved package list.  not feeds
Jun 30 01:25:24 <rwhitby> but Audemars02 could make it do feeds now
Jun 30 01:25:45 <Audemars02> i could?    i will have to look into that for ya!
Jun 30 01:26:06 <rwhitby> need to be careful with versioned feeds, probably need a reboot after restore if webOS version has changed
Jun 30 01:26:22 <cryptk> so as far as saved package list... does that mean if I were to backup the saverestore data and do a full erase, then put it back on... could I restore all my patches and whatnot?
Jun 30 01:26:46 <rwhitby> ~hgoh
Jun 30 01:26:48 <infobot> hgoh is probably the Holy Grail of Homebrew, which can be found at http://bit.ly/holy-grail-of-homebrew
Jun 30 01:26:56 <rwhitby> cryptk: ^^
Jun 30 01:29:00 <cryptk> wow... how I missed that feature I have no clue
Jun 30 01:29:25 <Audemars02> cryptk -- MAKE SURE YOU SAVE your installed package list!!!
Jun 30 01:29:55 <cryptk> indeed
Jun 30 01:30:30 <cryptk> I am doing all of this now because in all likelihood the testing I am getting ready to do with jhojho will result in having to do a doctor
Jun 30 01:30:35 <cryptk> better safe than sorry, lol
Jun 30 01:32:01 <Audemars02> rod -- where are the feeds info saved?
Jun 30 01:32:42 <rwhitby> Audemars02: /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/*.conf and /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/*.conf.disabled
Jun 30 01:32:56 <cryptk> 11) Note that you don't need WOSQI for any of this - sorry Jason, I just had to say it
Jun 30 01:32:57 <cryptk> LOL
Jun 30 01:33:12 <rwhitby> heh
Jun 30 01:33:32 <Audemars02> cool...   i will add that to the preware script and test it out..thnx
Jun 30 01:34:40 <cryptk> so, I just need to backup the saverestore folder on my /media/internal right?
Jun 30 01:35:50 <rwhitby> yep
Jun 30 01:35:50 <cryptk> wow... just noticed that the icon for my Pre when I connect it to Ubuntu actually kinda looks like a pre
Jun 30 01:36:10 <cryptk> has some extra white lines on it, but they correspond perfectly to back and forward gestures... so I will let it slide
Jun 30 01:37:13 * BeeRad is registered. wOOt.
Jun 30 01:37:16 <cryptk> so between the palm profile getting all of the official app cat stuff, and this... you can pretty much clone a pre...
Jun 30 01:37:34 <rwhitby> cryptk: well, Meta-Doctor cloning support is better than this
Jun 30 01:38:03 <cryptk> I know
Jun 30 01:38:17 <cryptk> but I meant it is now easily accessable to everyone
Jun 30 01:38:23 <cryptk> not everyone knows how to read bash/meta doc
Jun 30 01:38:47 <cryptk> I still find it funny that Palm sells developer phones that you pretty much need meta doc to use
Jun 30 01:39:48 <Audemars02> Rod -- I am outta here for the night...i will report back to you on the AT&T unlock code and see what I can find out
Jun 30 01:40:15 <rwhitby> Audemars02: thx
Jun 30 01:40:30 <rwhitby> BeeRad: do you do facebook stuff too?
Jun 30 01:43:37 <BeeRad> rwhitby: explain "stuff". Are you asking if I have a Facebook page or if I do tech stuff there?
Jun 30 01:44:05 <rwhitby> well, webosinternals has a facebook site.  someone should do something with it :)
Jun 30 01:47:45 <BeeRad> rwhitby: http://modernmemoryfilms.blogspot.com/
Jun 30 01:48:50 <jhojho> would be cool to have a movie shot with a pre
Jun 30 01:49:38 * BeeRad has YouTube, Vimeo, Facebook, Blogspot, etc.
Jun 30 01:50:30 <BeeRad> jhojho: If the Pre2 has a camera anything like th iP4....I'll do it.
Jun 30 01:50:47 <jhojho> just do one now.
Jun 30 01:51:00 <jhojho> then run it through magic bullet or something =)
Jun 30 01:51:01 * BeeRad prepares to get flamed for what hes about to say.
Jun 30 01:51:27 <BeeRad> The Pres video camera doesn't impress me that much honestly.
Jun 30 01:51:36 <BeeRad> As a still camera...its decent.
Jun 30 01:51:54 <BeeRad> They should incorporate a tap to focus for the next Palm.
Jun 30 01:52:01 <BeeRad> Backlit CMOS sensor.
Jun 30 01:52:13 <BeeRad> Just saying...... Apple did it right.
Jun 30 01:52:38 <bpadalino> fixed focus on the pre is very weak .. agreed
Jun 30 01:53:06 <jhojho> oh it's a junk cam
Jun 30 01:53:06 <jhojho> b
Jun 30 01:53:07 <jhojho> u
Jun 30 01:53:16 <jhojho> but the challenge is to see what you can do with it
Jun 30 01:53:59 <cryptk> ^^
Jun 30 01:54:01 <cryptk> agreed
Jun 30 01:54:35 <bpadalino> take a blurry picture easily .. that's up there with what you can do
Jun 30 01:54:36 <BeeRad> Hmmmm...
Jun 30 01:55:25 <BeeRad> http://www.vimeo.com/12653214
Jun 30 01:55:32 <BeeRad> Latest mess around video.
Jun 30 01:56:12 <jhojho> well with enough light, it wont be blurry
Jun 30 01:56:34 <bpadalino> no, it's a physics thing
Jun 30 01:56:57 <bpadalino> macro is just no good with the pre camera
Jun 30 01:57:09 <jhojho> i didnt say anything about macro
Jun 30 01:57:16 * BeeRad agrees with bpadalino
Jun 30 01:58:01 <BeeRad> You have to be several feet away from the subject and with the extended DOF software it captures detail in everything. I like separation.
Jun 30 01:58:19 <BeeRad> I want the ability to do macro with tap to focus.
Jun 30 01:59:31 <BeeRad> If you have a ton of natural light and stand far enought away....the Pres camera is really good. Get outside of those glass limits and it may not turn out so well.
Jun 30 01:59:53 <bpadalino> BeeRad: next hardware will have better camera .. or so i've heard
Jun 30 02:02:02 <BeeRad> Mark my words.....within the next year or two.....point and shoot cameras will be pointless and will fall away in the market. Cell phones will do it all. Flip will die, Canon/Sony/Panasonic compacts will die.
Jun 30 02:02:52 <bpadalino> marked
Jun 30 02:03:34 <BeeRad> lol
Jun 30 02:05:21 <jhojho> I want RAW in the next camera =P
Jun 30 02:05:42 * BeeRad chokes on his ice cream.
Jun 30 02:05:48 <BeeRad> Not asking for much are ya?
Jun 30 02:06:06 <BeeRad> Pre2 better have TONS of storage.
Jun 30 02:06:13 <BeeRad> 64gig minimum
Jun 30 02:06:24 <bpadalino> you wouldn't just want SD card ?
Jun 30 02:06:40 <BeeRad> Honestly? No.
Jun 30 02:07:02 <BeeRad> I hate keeping track of cards as it is.
Jun 30 02:08:03 <bpadalino> 32gb flash and 32gb sd card wouldn't be good for you ?
Jun 30 02:08:11 <BeeRad> SD card slots take up space.
Jun 30 02:08:20 <jhojho> RAW for a 4mp camera wont take up that much space
Jun 30 02:08:54 <BeeRad> What would the file size be for an uncompressed photo at 4mp?
Jun 30 02:09:22 <bpadalino> 3 bytes per pixel, 4e6 pixels
Jun 30 02:11:41 <BeeRad> You guys really think that not having removable storage is that limiting?
Jun 30 02:12:21 * Tman is neutral
Jun 30 02:12:45 <Kyusaku> I dunno I had to remove a bunch of songs and photos to make room for some games I wanted to buy
Jun 30 02:12:46 <cryptk> it isn't so much a question of 'why?' for me as it is a question of 'why not?'
Jun 30 02:12:48 <bpadalino> when it means having to put down 64GB flash chips .. it's silly to choose those chips
Jun 30 02:13:38 <Kyusaku> I would like a removable SD card just for media like music.
Jun 30 02:13:58 <Kyusaku> I don't hate the device for not having it
Jun 30 02:14:20 <BeeRad> I guess it could be there for those who use it.
Jun 30 02:14:35 <BeeRad> I personally have never really cared about it.
Jun 30 02:15:24 <BeeRad> If it can somehow save space by not having it and it makes room for a gyro or I dont know...say...a BIGGER BATTERY...lol then I would rather not have the SD slot.
Jun 30 02:15:38 <Kyusaku> also it would be cool if I could offload photos I've taken on a digital camera to storage temporarily or tweet some nice photos I've taken with the camera.
Jun 30 02:15:38 <jhojho> I dont care if it has removable storage.
Jun 30 02:15:47 <jhojho> i want it to have better battery life
Jun 30 02:15:51 <jhojho> and more apps
Jun 30 02:15:55 <jhojho> a better camera
Jun 30 02:16:37 <Tman> I'm surprised they waived the $50 fee
Jun 30 02:16:51 <Tman> I mean more apps is good yes
Jun 30 02:16:56 <Tman> I just hope they're quality
Jun 30 02:17:16 <bpadalino> i think the purpose of the featured apps app is to help sort through the muck
Jun 30 02:17:48 <Tman> what about just fixing the hot apps in the catalog -_-
Jun 30 02:18:16 <BeeRad> I get tired of people picking on the Pre for having a small screen size. It was intended to be this small. I think if the Pre actually had a NASA grade slider mechanism, we'd be laughing at everybody. However, here I am with a loose, sloppy feeling, not so good slider. I wish this thing were rock solid.
Jun 30 02:18:49 <bpadalino> i hear the pixi is a pretty solid feeling phone
Jun 30 02:19:02 <BeeRad> lol
Jun 30 02:19:06 <BeeRad> It is.
Jun 30 02:19:35 <Kyusaku> if the Pre and Pixi launched the same time I think I might have picked up the Pixi instead
Jun 30 02:20:54 <BeeRad> Kyusaku: Now that Internals is sharing their knowledge with the lil fella, I think Im gonna pick one up anyway.
Jun 30 02:21:29 <Kyusaku> I'm waiting for next gen device personally
Jun 30 02:21:41 <BeeRad> Question to all: how much of a headache is it if you use the same Palm Profile between two different devices? I want to switch back and forth without making a whole new profile.
Jun 30 02:22:22 <Kyusaku> will they e active at the same time?
Jun 30 02:22:49 <BeeRad> No.
Jun 30 02:23:04 <Kyusaku> then it shouldn't be a problem
Jun 30 02:23:17 <bpadalino> rwhitby is the pro with the profiles it seems
Jun 30 02:23:20 <bpadalino> he has a bunch
Jun 30 02:23:37 <jhojho> like a billion
Jun 30 02:23:46 <rwhitby> BeeRad: any existing device with the profile has /media/cryptofs/apps wiped
Jun 30 02:23:47 <BeeRad> I mean, just switch back and forth. One phone off, other on. I though I heard someone say that if you switch to the other phone, then the previous one all but gets wiped. So when you go back to it, you have to reload everything. Truth?
Jun 30 02:23:58 <BeeRad> rwhitby: Crap.
Jun 30 02:24:44 <rwhitby> jhojho: I only have 9 profiles
Jun 30 02:24:54 <jhojho> seems like a billion.
Jun 30 02:24:57 <BeeRad> Do apps at least show up on the new device? I dont have to pay twice do I?
Jun 30 02:25:28 <rwhitby> you don't have to pay twice
Jun 30 02:26:12 <rwhitby> So one of my devices just got a webOS 1.4.1 update pushed to it.  Looks like it was ntpdate only that was updated.
Jun 30 02:26:18 <BeeRad> 9 profiles = 9 emails? Jeez. You just make stuff up for profiles sake?
Jun 30 02:26:42 <rwhitby> BeeRad: 9 profiles for 8 devices
Jun 30 02:27:39 <rwhitby> two normal profiles, then Europa, Virtura, Profilia, Donatia, Futura, Natura, and Dementia.
Jun 30 02:28:33 <rwhitby> Eupora is a German language profile with paid access to the german app catalog on the Pre that I had activated in Germany.
Jun 30 02:28:36 <BeeRad> A new profile requires a different email address does it not? Rod, you confuse me sometimes. :P
Jun 30 02:29:03 <rwhitby> yes, you need an email address for each profile.  I hear there's this new company called Google which gives them out for free ...
Jun 30 02:29:18 <BeeRad> Rod....
Jun 30 02:29:32 <BeeRad> (nevermind)
Jun 30 02:29:53 <BeeRad> I kinda sorta work with you now so I'll be nice.
Jun 30 02:30:00 <rwhitby> And this Google company even lets you do automatic forwarding.  It's pretty good - you should check it out ;)
Jun 30 02:30:05 <BeeRad> ;)
Jun 30 02:30:26 <rwhitby> I don't know why more people haven't heard of this Google thing.  They do searching too.
Jun 30 02:30:40 <bpadalino> is google like the new bing?
Jun 30 02:30:47 <BeeRad> Did you know they own the YouTubes too? Crazy huh?
Jun 30 02:31:00 <rwhitby> bpadalino: no, Altavista is the new bing
Jun 30 02:31:06 <bpadalino> excellent
Jun 30 02:31:17 <bpadalino> that Digital Electronics Corp has something going for it
Jun 30 02:31:18 <rwhitby> Google is the new Gopher
Jun 30 02:31:25 <bpadalino> they're onto something
Jun 30 02:31:26 <BeeRad> I also heard they have a 2nd rate operating system for dumbphones.
Jun 30 02:31:46 <cryptk> rwhitby, is there a way to access the filesystem on a pre through bootie?
Jun 30 02:32:07 <rwhitby> cryptk: no.  but just use memboot in Meta-Doctor
Jun 30 02:32:16 <cryptk> ??
Jun 30 02:32:22 <cryptk> << never used meta doc...
Jun 30 02:32:34 <rwhitby> you should check it out. I hear Google is interested in it ...
Jun 30 02:32:49 <BeeRad> rwhitby 's on a roll tonight.
Jun 30 02:32:55 <rwhitby> (well, they list it on one of their web sites ....)
Jun 30 02:33:00 <cryptk> hehe, I was way ahead of ya there
Jun 30 02:33:58 <BeeRad> How does an ESN become bad?
Jun 30 02:34:26 <rwhitby> stolen phone or account not paid are two ways
Jun 30 02:34:38 <BeeRad> Can it ever be cleared?
Jun 30 02:34:46 * BeeRad is looking at Ebay Pixi's. 
Jun 30 02:35:44 <bpadalino> i think CL tends to have better prices
Jun 30 02:36:35 <Tman> hmm is there any PDK or SDL way to get the date?
Jun 30 02:36:48 <cryptk> jhojho says memboot won't do it
Jun 30 02:37:29 <bpadalino> Tman: man 3 time
Jun 30 02:37:42 <Tman> bpadalino: yeah I just thought of that x.x
Jun 30 02:37:45 <bpadalino> :)
Jun 30 02:38:22 <bpadalino> the first time, i thought of date ..
Jun 30 02:38:25 <bpadalino> so i typed "man date"
Jun 30 02:38:28 <bpadalino> and it felt a little funny
Jun 30 02:39:36 <Tman> because it sounds like mandate or because it's not a C function?
Jun 30 02:40:04 <bpadalino> because i've never been on a man date before
Jun 30 02:40:42 <cryptk> doctoring now...
Jun 30 02:40:49 <cryptk> woohoo!
Jun 30 02:41:04 <Tman> oh :p
Jun 30 02:41:31 <Tman> is anything I compile on WIDK supposed to work on pixi?
Jun 30 02:44:14 <rwhitby> cryptk: meta-doctor memboot target followed by mount target will do it
Jun 30 02:44:44 <cryptk> damn... maybe if jhojho is up for giving it another shot later I will try that
Jun 30 02:45:11 <cryptk> would be nice to get at the boot logs to see why it was stuck in a reboot loop
Jun 30 02:45:13 <jhojho> try it and report back =)
Jun 30 02:45:29 <cryptk> I will, I am saving our conversation so I can re-do the test again later
Jun 30 02:45:37 <bpadalino> bootie should be able to grab the last kernel log
Jun 30 02:45:40 <bpadalino> not sure if that will help you
Jun 30 02:46:34 <cryptk> bpadalino, indeed it would have, if it werent for the fact that my phone is half doctored already
Jun 30 02:46:43 <cryptk> do you have any docs that show how to get that info from bootie?
Jun 30 02:46:51 <cryptk> it will come in handy when I go to try this again later
Jun 30 02:47:10 <bpadalino> get to teh bootie prompt and type help ?
Jun 30 02:47:31 <cryptk> that would be great, lol
Jun 30 02:47:36 <cryptk> I will do that next time
Jun 30 02:47:37 <cryptk> lol
Jun 30 02:47:56 * BeeRad doesn't understand why sometimes his Pre will be nuclear hot when charging and other times not even warm. 
Jun 30 02:48:17 <cryptk> hrm... I am kinda interested in disabling the palm boot splash...
Jun 30 02:48:40 <cryptk> the non-pulsing one...
Jun 30 02:48:48 <cryptk> I wanna see the output... if there is any...
Jun 30 02:52:40 <rwhitby> cryptk: I say again, meta-doctor memboot followed by mount will let you get at the boot logs
Jun 30 02:52:54 <cryptk> yep
Jun 30 02:53:01 <cryptk> I am going to do that next time
Jun 30 02:53:23 <rwhitby> and kmsg in bootie is useful too
Jun 30 02:53:24 <cryptk> jhojho's concern is that the memboot wouldn't work if the libc is messed up
Jun 30 02:53:46 <rwhitby> cryptk: well that's just silly, cause it's a memboot of a kernel and initramfs
Jun 30 02:54:06 <rwhitby> it doesn't execute anything from the flasg
Jun 30 02:54:11 <rwhitby> flash
Jun 30 02:54:13 <cryptk> ok
Jun 30 02:54:22 <cryptk> I will go for that next time for sure then
Jun 30 02:54:53 <rwhitby> meta-doctor memboot is great for keyhole surgery
Jun 30 02:55:08 <cryptk> def sounds like it is
Jun 30 02:58:51 <cryptk> rwhitby, any ideas on how to disable the boot splash? the non-pulsing one?
Jun 30 02:58:58 <rwhitby> nope
Jun 30 02:59:03 <cryptk> hrm...
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