**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 30 02:59:57 2010 Jun 30 03:01:36 egaudet_: ping Jun 30 03:02:26 rwhitby, pong Jun 30 03:02:45 egaudet_: have you been following the EFV thread? Jun 30 03:03:11 a few posts earlier today Jun 30 03:03:30 egaudet: I'm thinking of adding whitelisting of kernel files and the known not-a-problem stuff like charging.tga and roots.RW Jun 30 03:03:49 yeah I was thinking of that too Jun 30 03:04:24 I was going to post for people to stop worrying because EFV was made as a quick check for apt and aupt-2 bug, but there have been 2 OTA updates since Jun 30 03:04:54 but I think making EFV smarter and actually robust may be better idea Jun 30 03:05:12 egaudet: I think it's still useful to get people to update from -3 to -4 if they have gone as far as running EFV Jun 30 03:08:38 -4 doesn't offer anything over -3 Jun 30 03:09:35 oh, I thought -4 fixed the SMS Contacts problem Jun 30 03:09:41 well what I mean is -4 enabled the additional_files stuff, but -3 simply did not accept anything but .patch so there aren't any conflicts or issues with it Jun 30 03:09:55 SMS Contacts problem? Jun 30 03:18:20 * Tman doesn't understand why there are apps in hot apps with horrible user ratings Jun 30 03:18:27 competition* Jun 30 03:19:27 egaudet: the SMS Tone Per Contacts patch that had problems in the last OTA Jun 30 03:19:37 1 or 2 stars, and somehow they got enough sales to win $1000 for their app. I don't have any apps to compete with but I think that's sickening Jun 30 03:20:04 rwhitby, it was happenstance that specific patch had issues I believe. Jun 30 03:20:40 egaudet: so it will be ok with aupt-3 for this coming OTA you think? Jun 30 03:20:54 aupt-3 and aupt-4 both have the same bug still Jun 30 03:21:08 I can't say which patches will cause the bugs until the update comes out because it's a tricky bug Jun 30 03:22:00 when 2+ packages touch files in a package that gets updated but at least 1 of those files md5sum stays the same, the 2nd patch will not be able to remove correctly unless/until the first patch is removed Jun 30 03:23:40 2+ patches ? Jun 30 03:23:52 2 or more Jun 30 03:24:18 s/2+ packages/2+ patches/ Jun 30 03:24:40 yeah Jun 30 03:25:05 I wonder if we can write a script and post a patch conflict list Jun 30 03:25:22 "if you have problems with this patch, remove these other specific patches first" Jun 30 03:27:04 patch FOO touches files a, b, c. patch BAR touches files a, b, c. a, b, and c are part of the same package that gets updated. a and b's md5sums are different pre-OTA and post-OTA, but c's md5sum is the same pre-OTA and post-OTA. patch FOO correctly sees OTA and removes/installs, then later patch BAR can't remove because it's confused. It sees that a and b's md5sums changed so that indicates OTA but c's didn't Jun 30 03:27:04 so that indicates no OTA Jun 30 03:29:09 well I guess also if a patch touches 2 packages and only gets updated it's FUBAR'd Jun 30 03:29:19 s/only/only one/ Jun 30 03:29:19 egaudet meant: well I guess also if a patch touches 2 packages and only one gets updated it's FUBAR'd Jun 30 03:30:04 in meta doc... if you bypass activation the phone cannot be sued for calls right? Jun 30 03:30:08 s/sued/used/ Jun 30 03:30:08 cryptk meant: in meta doc... if you bypass activation the phone cannot be used for calls right? Jun 30 03:30:24 cryptk: right Jun 30 03:30:46 that is what I thought, thanks! Jun 30 03:31:02 rwhitby, I like how you coded your favorite settings into the makefile, lol Jun 30 03:31:19 anyone know of some good, clean, maybe monochrome icon sets that are good for webos? Jun 30 03:31:33 cryptk: It's good to be the king Jun 30 03:31:41 rwhitby, this is why I want to re-do aupt to get out of the rootfs Jun 30 03:32:00 either bind mount each file or overlay (aufs module maybe) Jun 30 03:32:32 Knuth making an earthshaking announcement on wednesday?!? how can i sleep??! Jun 30 03:32:54 egaudet: technically, I agree. practically, I can't see tens of bind mounts being practical Jun 30 03:33:13 then after OTA, the overlay can be cleaned (all stock files) and then patch packages updated as normal packages (i.e. no remove/install specialness) Jun 30 03:33:15 a single aufs overlay sounds reasonable Jun 30 03:33:21 rwhitby, what's wrong with it practically? Jun 30 03:33:40 egaudet: dunno, it just feels wrong Jun 30 03:34:18 RHEL uses it for diskless clients Jun 30 03:34:19 seems messy to me personally Jun 30 03:34:33 egaudet: I can't see a situation where you'd just want to undo one of the bind mounts, so a full aufs overlay seems better to me Jun 30 03:34:53 egaudet: they bind mount individual files? Jun 30 03:35:06 yeah Jun 30 03:35:08 in numbers of 10's to 100's ? Jun 30 03:35:31 they have the ro root that gets bound, and then client-specific file list (that is in the 10's and expandable to however much you need to be writeable on the client) Jun 30 03:35:39 s/bound/mounted/ Jun 30 03:35:40 egaudet meant: they have the ro root that gets mounted, and then client-specific file list (that is in the 10's and expandable to however much you need to be writeable on the client) Jun 30 03:36:04 the client-specific files are all bind-mounted from a snapshot directory which is nfs-mounted Jun 30 03:36:20 file list, or mixture of mostly directories and a couple of files? Jun 30 03:36:27 but I agree that aufs is the ideal solution Jun 30 03:36:39 file list Jun 30 03:36:42 no directories Jun 30 03:37:03 they have a file named 'files' which lists each file that needs to be client-specific (and rw) Jun 30 03:37:20 so, we need an aufs module then Jun 30 03:37:28 (yes cat /proc/mounts is really really ugly lol) Jun 30 03:37:51 rwhitby, yeah I'm still working on the modules packaging Jun 30 03:38:09 if aufs works better than unionfs-fuse than it will be good Jun 30 03:40:04 upstart will be key to the aufs system too Jun 30 03:42:43 yeah, we need the right triggers for OTA updates Jun 30 03:42:53 stop on started start_update Jun 30 03:44:41 this sounds great.. keep up the good work Jun 30 03:54:57 hi Jun 30 03:55:07 hmm I don't even know where to get aufs Jun 30 03:55:31 so, I think I have liboauth building fine in WIDK. I was actually able to run its example code on my pre Jun 30 03:56:00 however, I can't build with liboauth.a using pdk on my mac Jun 30 03:57:25 uh oh Jun 30 03:57:26 why not ? Jun 30 03:58:27 I'm getting linker errors saying it can't find liboauth symbols Jun 30 03:58:50 if I "ar -t liboauth.a" everything is fine Jun 30 03:58:58 hborders: btw you can use the .a you built with WIDK and just link to it when you build your app with PDK Jun 30 03:59:15 tman: that's what I tried last night Jun 30 03:59:20 tman: it is not working Jun 30 03:59:36 oh, build /with/ liboauth.a. sorry Jun 30 03:59:54 np Jun 30 04:00:30 hborders: what is the output and how are you linking ? Jun 30 04:01:29 Here is my compile line. it looks very similar to what make outputs when I build with WIDK Jun 30 04:01:36 please paste online Jun 30 04:01:40 arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc -mcpu=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -I/opt/PalmPDK/include -I/opt/PalmPDK/include/SDL -I/Users/hborders/xcode-workspaces/personal/pdk-samples/simple/mac --sysroot=/opt/PalmPDK/arm-gcc/sysroot /Users/hborders/xcode-workspaces/personal/pdk-samples/simple/mac/liboauth.a -L/opt/PalmPDK/device/lib -L/Users/hborders/xcode-workspaces/personal/pdk-samples/simple/mac -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefine Jun 30 04:01:40 -lcrypto -lcurl -lz -lssl -o Build_Device/oauthexample oauthexample.c Jun 30 04:02:35 inside /Users/hborders/xcode-workspaces/personal/pdk-samples/simple/mac I have liboauth.a, libssl.so, libcrypto.so, libcurl.so, and libz.so Jun 30 04:03:42 and the errors ? Jun 30 04:04:26 paste online, please Jun 30 04:04:37 yes, doing that right now Jun 30 04:05:05 hborders, webos-internals.pastebin.com please. Jun 30 04:05:37 http://webos.pastebin.com/QEHkuEKk Jun 30 04:06:16 ka6sox-work: the channel says webos.pastebin.com Jun 30 04:06:44 do you still get ./Build_Device/oauthexample ? Jun 30 04:06:50 right Jun 30 04:06:58 there it is! Jun 30 04:09:03 lemme see. Jun 30 04:09:17 no Jun 30 04:09:19 nothing in there Jun 30 04:09:40 here's something interesting: I changed to use the .so version of liboauth, and everything works Jun 30 04:09:51 do you think this is a problem with mixing static and dynamic libs? Jun 30 04:10:11 can I not satisfy dependencies on static libs with dynamic ones? Jun 30 04:10:14 so when you try to statically link it, things are no good .. but dynamic works well ? Jun 30 04:11:03 when I do static liboauth.a, dynamic libcurl, libssl, libcrypto, libz, it doesn't work Jun 30 04:11:24 when I do dynamic liboauth, libcurl, libssl, libcrypto, libz, it seems to work Jun 30 04:11:32 i just did it with no errors Jun 30 04:11:32 neat Jun 30 04:11:39 good luck running it .. Jun 30 04:11:43 yes Jun 30 04:11:46 there's the rub Jun 30 04:15:18 what would be a good way to log what is locking up a Pre? The last few kernels have been giving me lockups with luna restart most often when closing apps. Jun 30 04:16:10 Doesnt WebOS log its events automatically? Jun 30 04:17:05 I think I turned off the comprehensive logging a while back Jun 30 04:17:12 Turn it back on Jun 30 04:17:19 and duplicate the problem Jun 30 04:17:23 then look at the log Jun 30 04:17:35 where is the log saved Jun 30 04:19:04 You can have the app create the log for you Jun 30 04:19:45 "Quick Log Create" in hte collect Logs app Jun 30 04:19:53 Kyusaku: bootie has a command to show the kernel messages, they are stored in RAM, so as long as you can keep the RAM powered you can see them Jun 30 04:21:01 rwhitby: I don't think the device had powered down since last few lockups, is there a wiki on the process or is it simple? Jun 30 04:23:36 Kyusaku: get into recovery mode and novaterm in Jun 30 04:23:42 then you're speaking to bootie Jun 30 04:26:51 how do I get into recovery mode without powering down? Jun 30 04:27:34 just restart device while holding up vol? Jun 30 04:30:44 tellbootie recover Jun 30 04:37:01 it's in recovery mode but having trouble connecting via novaterm Jun 30 04:39:41 hit return to see the prompy Jun 30 04:40:07 rwhitby: ok disconnected device and reconnected and connected via novaterm with non-descript prompt Jun 30 04:41:03 help Jun 30 04:41:05 klog list Jun 30 04:42:04 ok that's producing output Jun 30 04:42:04 diag boot is a nice one :) Jun 30 04:42:37 anything in particular I should be looking for? Jun 30 04:42:49 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bootie Jun 30 04:44:24 rwhitby: Have you looked at this? http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/247118-hack-pre-tracking-logging-graphing-snmp-ish.html Jun 30 04:44:26 when I did help it actually only displayed the first 2 lines fully Jun 30 04:44:53 lboot was half empty Jun 30 04:45:07 and the rest is a vertical line of letters Jun 30 04:45:33 klog list displayed 2 lines Jun 30 04:47:47 Abyssul: yep Jun 30 04:48:11 Kyusaku: are you running a real novaterm, or some substitute? Jun 30 04:48:26 windows client Jun 30 04:49:17 the windows client of novaterm Jun 30 04:49:38 from Palm or elsewhere? Jun 30 04:49:48 (I didn't think the windows SDK had a novaterm in it) Jun 30 04:50:13 from WebOS Internals wiki Jun 30 04:50:16 That chart is nearly impossible to understand... but i like his concept. I've always wanted a way to log the on/off of the data radios Jun 30 04:50:57 I think the windows SDK does let me check Jun 30 04:52:18 hmmm nope just novacom and novacomd Jun 30 04:58:50 rwhitby: should I consider switching to a linux enviroment to proceed? Jun 30 04:59:55 Kyusaku: possibly, dunno. Jun 30 05:00:21 klog 0 should have at least shown you the bootie header and initial boot information Jun 30 05:02:26 klog list produced " klog header at 0x8ff00000: magic 06b6c6f67 version 1 len 1048576 buffer count 4 current 1 Jun 30 05:03:05 kbuf at 0x8ff00024 len 262116, head 34471, tail 24472 Jun 30 05:03:15 errr tail 34472 Jun 30 05:03:44 you didn't see a list of four buffers after that? Jun 30 05:04:06 rwhitby: nope blank lines Jun 30 05:04:28 so klog list shows you how many lines of output? Jun 30 05:04:33 I see 6 Jun 30 05:04:53 6 including the header Jun 30 05:06:49 doing the novaterm stuff on another machine, I could switch it to a linux enviroment via a live CD if you prefer, seems like this noavterm client on windows doesn't play well with bootie Jun 30 05:19:49 gonna load up Ubuntu to see if I can get better results Jun 30 05:28:03 um what clockspeed does a Pixi run PDK apps at? Jun 30 05:32:32 what PDK apps run on Pixi ? Jun 30 05:33:28 idk, do they :s Jun 30 05:33:59 well you can compile PDK apps for pixi so I'd assume so Jun 30 05:34:24 anyway.. I'm asking for an app that I will probably be making Jun 30 05:40:34 that will be released with the major OS release palm promised in the fall Jun 30 05:44:24 PDK apps don't run until 1.4.5 but I'm guessing they run at 600Mhz Jun 30 05:47:21 rwhitby: booted into a Linux enviroment and novaterm'd in Jun 30 05:48:37 shh.. NDA :) Jun 30 05:50:09 that's public knowledge about running on Pixi as of 1.4.5 I think Palm announced it Jun 30 05:51:14 rwhitby: things are displaying better in Linux let me know what you need Jun 30 05:51:42 I see all 4 kbuf lines now Jun 30 05:51:55 ah k Jun 30 05:59:36 djkl you awake? Jun 30 06:10:20 dumb novacom trick: novacom get file://klog Jun 30 06:10:27 well, against bootie Jun 30 06:18:25 would that get what rwhitby needs? Jun 30 06:27:07 * jhoatt1 looks for testers to run warthog-62 Jun 30 06:31:34 geist: nice Jun 30 06:35:27 very nice Jun 30 06:37:40 * rwhitby tries that after a power wiggle Jun 30 06:38:03 <6>Initiate hardkey triggered Emergency reboot Jun 30 06:38:05 nice Jun 30 06:38:43 geist: any way to get into bootie with klog intact on a hard kernel crash that doesn't repond to power wiggle ? Jun 30 06:38:59 you need to keep SRAM intact, right? Jun 30 06:39:52 (which may preclude pulling the battery to clear a hard kernel hang) Jun 30 06:41:40 rwhitby: should I redirect the klog output and send it to you Jun 30 06:42:01 Kyusaku: which kernel? Jun 30 06:43:32 uberkernel 1.4.1.1-58 Jun 30 06:43:35 on a sprint pre Jun 30 06:51:41 Kyusaku: are you running at 125 or 250 at any stage? Jun 30 06:51:53 rwhitby: actually yeah Jun 30 06:51:57 there's a trick we discovered Jun 30 06:52:09 only works on pre as far as i know Jun 30 06:52:27 but if you get a wedged pre, power wiggle wiggle doesn't work Jun 30 06:52:33 rwhitby: no, default userspace 500Mhz with compcache Jun 30 06:52:43 plug in usb, take the back off, hold volume up and pop the battery out Jun 30 06:53:15 basically popping the battery out will cause the cpu to lose its power rail for long enough to reboot it, but then it'll start powering off usb Jun 30 06:53:21 enough to not completely wipe dram Jun 30 06:53:27 sweet Jun 30 06:53:40 by holding volume+ it'll drop directly into bootie Jun 30 06:53:45 and then you can grab the klog Jun 30 06:54:12 klog is kept in dram, but dram wont degrade for a few hundred ms if you pull power from it Jun 30 06:55:36 and the usb is enough for that Jun 30 06:56:42 oh absolutely Jun 30 06:57:06 generally speaking you can boot the system on usb, it just can't power the radio Jun 30 06:57:20 and there are various boot checks to keep folks from running it without a battery Jun 30 06:57:30 drat Jun 30 06:57:50 generally there's a bootie environment variable skip_battery_check that turns that off Jun 30 06:57:52 I can test this now - I have a device here which I can consistently hang when running screenstate governor minimum at 125MHz or 250MHz when the screen is turned back on (not that I recommend running things that slow) Jun 30 06:57:52 the treo used to run without a batt. useful Jun 30 06:58:11 forget if that's enabled in production builds Jun 30 06:58:56 geist: there's a chargebypass variable there, but I expect that's different Jun 30 06:59:06 yeah, it is Jun 30 06:59:27 charge bypass is exctly the circuit in the pre to let the system run directly from the usb 5v Jun 30 06:59:41 it's controlled a gpio. generally turned off once the system is up and running Jun 30 07:00:36 otherwise the usb 5v is just another input to the battery charger, and the vbatt rail is the one that drives the voltage regulators Jun 30 07:00:51 ok, the vol+battpull trick worked. A tiny bit of corruption in the log: Jun 30 07:00:53 <6>Timeout in prcm_check_power_domain_status(), domain 9, desired state 1, current \363tate 3 Jun 30 07:01:05 yeah, you may get some corruption Jun 30 07:01:14 but definitely very useful Jun 30 07:01:17 if it happens to corrupt the header then it'll show up as no klog Jun 30 07:01:38 the klog structure is mostly just a header with a head/tail/length pointer Jun 30 07:01:50 yeah, and some magic numbers I guess Jun 30 07:02:00 and the code that reads it back just does a ton of bounds checks on the pointers so it at least wont crash Jun 30 07:02:21 might return garbage if it checks out but is corrupted, but most likely it'll just fail the check and return no klog Jun 30 07:02:52 yah, you can read it directly if you mmap /dev/mem where the klog= argument is on the kernel Jun 30 07:03:04 that's pretty much eexactly what the klog utlity does Jun 30 07:03:47 I wonder if there's a way to stop the radio powering up so that a dev device can be permanently powered over USB ... Jun 30 07:04:01 sure, dont run the TIL task Jun 30 07:04:13 i think it whacks the gpio that powers up the radio Jun 30 07:04:21 similarly there's a charge_bypass gpio in /sys Jun 30 07:04:31 if you set it to whatever it generally isn't you can remove the battery Jun 30 07:05:05 ah, I now see a "checkbatt = 1" in printenv in bootie Jun 30 07:05:08 powerd usually messes with it Jun 30 07:05:25 skip_battery_check is another one. it's not set to anything by default Jun 30 07:05:35 but it's a master switch taht tells bootie to basically pretend the battery isn't there Jun 30 07:05:50 oh, is checkbatt the status of whether the battery was there when bootie started? Jun 30 07:05:52 and then it'll pass it on the command line and i think powerd reads it and does the same Jun 30 07:06:03 no, checkbatt is something else Jun 30 07:06:30 bootie is continually testing the presence of the battery Jun 30 07:06:43 it has a background task doing it, i believe Jun 30 07:07:30 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait ro fb=0x8f600000 fbcon=disable console=tty1 nduid=... klog=0x8ff00000 klog_len=0x100000 skip_battery_check=1 boardtype=castle-dvt3 dsp_base=0x8f900000 dsp_len=0x600000 Jun 30 07:07:40 looks like skip_battery_check is being passed through Jun 30 07:07:57 ah, you musta been mucking with this thing then Jun 30 07:08:11 I just setenv'd it in bootie and fsbooted Jun 30 07:08:25 ah Jun 30 07:08:34 powerd is probably not going to try to charge, i think Jun 30 07:10:08 mebbe Jun 30 07:11:15 * rwhitby is still looking for the equivalent of saveenv :) Jun 30 07:11:51 come on, i practically told you precisely how the env is stored Jun 30 07:14:48 oh, I know it's in the 16KB section in nvram, but was hoping there was an easy way to write it from bootie cmdline rather than having to get into userspace and write it Jun 30 07:16:17 good old castle.xml and trenchcoat will do for that ... Jun 30 07:16:51 no Jun 30 07:16:58 no way in bootie Jun 30 07:17:15 yeah, I figured that would be removed from production builds Jun 30 07:17:20 it's not in production builds Jun 30 07:26:25 rwhitby: let me know if you need any more details regarding what I'm using Jun 30 07:26:45 Kyusaku: oh, right. yeah, send me the logs if you like. Jun 30 07:28:40 rwhitby: ok will mail in a sec, if you don't find anything useful I'll try to pull klog more immediately from the time it has locked up. Jun 30 07:29:00 Kyusaku: ok Jun 30 07:34:28 anyone knows how to get rid of the persistent connection to palmws.com:xmpp-client Jun 30 07:35:15 * lonelygrrl always have that connection open and I wonder if I could save some extra juice by disabling it? Jun 30 07:35:22 edit /etc/hosts Jun 30 07:36:13 jhoatt1: does that work, because when i do a nslookup for the ip I got in netstat -a Jun 30 07:36:36 I got palmws.com, but I'm unsure if that's the address synergy uses. Jun 30 07:37:08 dunno.try it. report back Jun 30 07:37:13 lonelygrrl: that will pubsub Jun 30 07:37:30 you should be able to sniff the traffic Jun 30 07:37:55 yeah it's pusub. maybe the fabled mojo messaging service Jun 30 07:38:12 rwhitby: sorry for being naive but I don't know what you meant by pubsub Jun 30 07:38:22 it's the thing which causes your device to reset if you use the same profile elsewhere Jun 30 07:38:30 lonelygrrl: publish/subscribe Jun 30 07:38:45 lonelygrrl: there is a service running on the device which handles it. Jun 30 07:39:07 unless you don't want app catalog and profile and stuff to work, it'll need to stay I think Jun 30 07:39:48 rwhitby: ok,... I see. that's weird because it makes a persistent connection instead of doing a pool interval Jun 30 07:41:20 also, I found it funny when I couldn't log in to my google talk by the pre on my campus network Jun 30 07:41:42 but I could do it with my laptop Jun 30 07:42:14 wonder what happens when an nvram gets scrambled...seen a lot of scrambled nvrams. Jun 30 07:50:22 lonelygrrl: a persistent connection can be easier on the battery than polling Jun 30 07:51:08 polling is why cellphones die quicker in bad coverage areas. Jun 30 08:03:14 * rwhitby boots a Pre from USB alone, no battery. Jun 30 08:03:32 powerd and TIL are not happy about it :) Jun 30 08:06:15 nitenite TIL and powerd should be not running if charger_detect found the USB properly Jun 30 08:07:05 well..maybe it just stops powering down things. Jun 30 08:07:14 so I'm probably wrong about that. Jun 30 08:08:18 cute - the battery icon has a question mark in it when powerd is not running :) Jun 30 08:09:08 ka6sox-work: yeah, stop TIL and powerd and everyone is quiet and happily running from USB only Jun 30 08:09:58 the pre ought to last forever with all that done. Jun 30 08:11:58 ka6sox-work: in powerd, we have the strings 'maxtemp' and 'Set maximum temperature before shutdown (default 60)' Jun 30 08:12:12 and temprate and @Expected maxiumum temperature slew rate (default 12) Jun 30 08:12:33 that sounds like the charging setup Jun 30 08:12:37 and fasthalt and On overtemp, shut down quickly not cleanly Jun 30 08:12:57 yeah, these will be battery temps Jun 30 08:13:00 ya that sounds like battery. Jun 30 08:13:25 okay well...what I'm working on is "different' Jun 30 08:13:30 :D Jun 30 08:23:18 heh - without powerd running, the display never goes off, even though it stops responding to touch (so I assume the device has gone to sleep) Jun 30 08:24:18 what happens when you push the white button? Jun 30 08:25:14 (or is it a plus) Jun 30 08:27:02 nothing Jun 30 08:30:24 when you "wake" does lock screen show? Jun 30 08:33:44 nope Jun 30 08:41:43 is hidd running? Jun 30 09:09:24 rwhitby: 24M compcache is nice on a overclocked pre Jun 30 09:09:35 32M is too big and I get irregular pausing Jun 30 09:10:07 there's one major side effect that I don't like. the camera can take a very long time to load 30-60+ seconds Jun 30 09:10:26 bhuey: I'm thinking of adding a 20MB option between 16 and 24 too Jun 30 09:11:40 * rwhitby bbl Jun 30 09:11:47 cool Jun 30 09:11:55 yeah, the pre is definitely faster Jun 30 09:12:10 the problem is that pathological condition is a freak'n pain in the ass Jun 30 09:12:29 I waited a long time for it load and become responsive again Jun 30 09:12:47 and then I had done the orange-r-sym death combo Jun 30 09:12:49 the device restarte Jun 30 09:13:02 but it was really just badly stalled on something Jun 30 09:58:15 hi Jun 30 09:58:38 i have a question Jun 30 09:58:54 and thistime REALLY about internals xD Jun 30 09:59:35 i want to install the patch" multi mod" for the browser Jun 30 09:59:48 but preware gives me always an IPK-error Jun 30 10:00:20 Postinst\n-1: Unable to run command: IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=/media/cryptofs/apps /bin/sh /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.patches.browser-multi-mod.postinst 2>&1\nThe next patch would create the file usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.browser/app/controllers/downloaddialog-assistant.js,\nwhich already exists! Assume -R? [n]\nApply anyway? [n]\n1 out of 1 hunk ignored -- saving rejects to file usr/palm/applications/ Jun 30 10:00:36 that here ist the holly shit Jun 30 10:00:46 can someone help me? Jun 30 10:01:10 I have a Palm Pre withWebOS 1.4.1 GSM O2 Jun 30 10:02:53 Karotte_exe, its middle of the night in US (as you know) so be patient...somebody might have seen this (I haven't) Jun 30 10:05:14 no problem ^^ i know your time. i have enough time to wait xD Jun 30 11:06:51 rwhitby, what did you do to stop TIL? Jun 30 11:07:18 if I attempt to stop /usr/bin/TILCdma then it just goes off into space Jun 30 11:07:28 and /usr/event.d/TIL is RO. Jun 30 11:08:04 whoops Jun 30 11:08:15 make that /etc/event.d/TIL is RO. Jun 30 11:10:47 hey Jun 30 11:21:03 ka6sox-work: stop the upstart job Jun 30 12:55:00 anyone grab a copy of that lemmings game that was ported? Jun 30 12:55:43 Nah, but it looked nice. Jun 30 12:57:55 it's supposed to come to the catalog Jun 30 12:58:02 probably july 15th Jun 30 12:58:07 when the pdk contest starts Jun 30 14:29:49 BTW, I posted http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2532084, but I don't think anyone saw it. Jun 30 14:32:17 interesting Jun 30 14:32:23 preware.is.awesome.com :) Jun 30 14:32:29 who came up with that idea? Jun 30 14:32:43 oh, you can put anything there. Jun 30 14:33:22 and it will be replaced with the kernel testing feed url? Jun 30 14:33:25 the first draft of that post had http://www.google.com/is/good/for/searching/for/kernel/testing/feeds/ Jun 30 14:33:47 hehe Jun 30 14:34:14 the feed names webos-kernels, webos-kernels-testing, webos-patches and webos-patches-testing are special Jun 30 14:34:34 (mainly cause Preware has to replace the version number in them after an OTA update) Jun 30 14:34:50 so I just overwrite them with the correct feed value Jun 30 14:35:48 which makes the reports of people having problems because they put the wrong URL in even funnier to read Jun 30 14:36:23 everyone is focusing on the URL so much that they don't get the feed name right :) Jun 30 14:36:23 oh, i see Jun 30 16:09:20 hmm Jun 30 17:19:05 möp Jun 30 17:19:09 ^^ Jun 30 17:19:10 hi Jun 30 17:19:22 i have a question again Jun 30 17:19:35 but now REALLY about webos-internals Jun 30 17:20:15 i want to install the patch "multi mod" for the browser Jun 30 17:20:44 but Preware gives me always an IPK-error Jun 30 17:20:49 here it is: Jun 30 17:21:30 Postinst\n-1: Unable to run command: IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=/media/cryptofs/apps /bin/sh /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.patches.browser-multi-mod.postinst 2>&1\nThe next patch would create the file usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.browser/app/controllers/downloaddialog-assistant.js,\nwhich already exists! Assume -R? [n]\nApply anyway? [n]\n1 out of 1 hunk ignored -- saving rejects to file usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.b Jun 30 17:21:41 what can i do? Jun 30 17:33:36 huhu? Jun 30 17:35:07 hulu? Jun 30 17:35:20 ^^ Jun 30 17:36:05 ka6sox: can you help me? Jun 30 17:37:05 unfortunately I can't. this is out of my area. Jun 30 17:37:19 fu**! Jun 30 17:38:10 no need to get testy. Jun 30 17:38:17 WTF? Jun 30 17:38:40 Karotte_exe, you had it installed before? Jun 30 17:38:41 i didn't want to be unpolite Jun 30 17:38:51 ahm.. yes Jun 30 17:39:07 how long ago Jun 30 17:39:23 i think... Jun 30 17:39:26 ahm... Jun 30 17:39:36 4-5 months? Jun 30 17:39:48 it was definetly webOS 1.3.5 Jun 30 17:40:53 is that the problem? Jun 30 17:41:23 egaudet: would be that the problem? Jun 30 17:47:52 should i delete the file the files with internalz? Jun 30 17:51:34 OMG! how can i remove the files? with Internaz it didn't work Jun 30 18:07:03 Karotte_exe, yeah that's probably the issue (aupt-2 removal had a bug that didn't remove created files) Jun 30 18:07:32 rm the files with terminal, novaterm, QI command line Jun 30 18:08:00 just the file that it says it "would create" Jun 30 18:08:13 oh... ahm... ^^ Jun 30 18:09:25 i 'm running now the Emergency Patch Recover o.o Jun 30 18:09:46 k Jun 30 18:15:46 egaudet: hm... the patch remover takes very long... is that normal? Jun 30 18:18:59 hm... im rebooting Jun 30 18:19:03 im brb Jun 30 18:19:51 yes Jun 30 19:06:46 rwhitby: judging by what bhuey was saying earlier, the issue I was reporting on is probably related to having compcache at 32MB, I'll lower it to 24MB and see if I still run into the issue Jun 30 19:17:55 how is the patch server going? Jun 30 19:18:15 70% of the way there. Jun 30 19:19:04 cool, thx Jun 30 19:19:35 Pixi has been running icecast for 45minutes transcoding to 128kb streaming, 6+ loadavg, 59C max temp. Jun 30 19:20:50 uNiXpSyChO, its not gonna melt thru the floor and kill nearby animals. Jun 30 19:22:26 I stole a fan from the traffic manager. Jun 30 19:23:16 The FCC will be calling Jun 30 19:23:24 it meets specs... Jun 30 19:23:56 the Pixi Police however....they might come a' calling. Jun 30 19:24:39 Go Pixi... Jun 30 19:25:04 you're cutting into Military wavebands Jun 30 19:25:05 I am afraid to try this on the pre...it might roll over and die. Jun 30 19:26:15 the load avg isn't really any worse than I normally see Jun 30 19:26:57 okay fan got it down to 54C Jun 30 19:27:23 and still dropping. Jun 30 19:27:41 you ADDED A FAN?! Jun 30 19:27:48 now with the case off it probably doesnt' meet FCC specs. Jun 30 19:27:49 OH GOD Jun 30 19:27:54 mousey.... Jun 30 19:28:02 Speaking of fans, my new video card is amazingness Jun 30 19:28:18 Old card (9800GTX+) was at 105C underload Jun 30 19:28:19 Mousey, its not decoding this time...its encoding... Jun 30 19:28:23 New card? Jun 30 19:28:27 70C Jun 30 19:28:35 i thought you added a fan to your phone Jun 30 19:28:40 sorry Jun 30 19:28:40 ^_^ Jun 30 19:28:56 no, the pixi is amazingness. Jun 30 19:29:26 i wish they'd let me replace the pre with the pixi for my wife Jun 30 19:29:32 well..technically a pixi plus Jun 30 19:29:48 would also switch a Pre with a Pixi Jun 30 19:30:07 nfs mounted the media over a wifi nfs connection and icecast 128kb streaming. Jun 30 19:30:18 niiice Jun 30 19:31:42 okay time to put the new server online and retire the pixi...1hr 4 minutes and still working great. Jun 30 19:33:05 no can do....20 minutes left in Vivaldi. Jun 30 19:33:16 lol Jun 30 19:35:02 ah, they gave me a break... Jun 30 19:35:16 literally I hope Jun 30 19:35:40 its @ 49C now and still ticking Jun 30 19:36:44 pixi works great... I want another. Jun 30 19:37:11 Just walk into an att store and be like "Pixi's. All of them. Now" Jun 30 19:38:00 I already have 2, a third my wife would probably look at me funny. Jun 30 19:38:22 I'd be called a Pixi Rancher. Jun 30 19:41:40 thanks Palm....the Pixi Rocks! Jun 30 19:42:21 20 seconds later pixi esplods Jun 30 19:42:53 no small children or animals were harmed in this production. Jun 30 19:43:11 except for that one kid Jun 30 19:43:31 "twas just a flesh wound" Jun 30 19:43:34 Yay timesheets! Jun 30 19:43:47 Boo not working half the time I should have! Jun 30 20:32:03 anyone here, qq about wIRC freenode setup if someone has a sec Jun 30 20:51:11 hi folks Jun 30 20:51:13 anyone in Jun 30 20:53:13 well cucu Jun 30 21:11:59 I fixed the Facebook Chat Spoof patch http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2533122#post2533122 Jun 30 21:23:54 what was the issue , eh? Jun 30 21:25:48 Facebook changed the ip address of chat.facebook.com Jun 30 21:26:46 ooh Jun 30 21:27:27 thanks Jun 30 21:27:33 no problem Jun 30 21:27:44 I submitted the patch to dbsooner's web portal Jun 30 21:35:39 really , heh. Jun 30 21:36:44 i see no reason to patch. Jun 30 21:36:53 Why not? Jun 30 21:36:56 oh, nvm. Jun 30 21:37:17 thanks. Jun 30 21:37:43 Sure Jun 30 21:52:36 is rwhitby here? Jun 30 22:00:12 Tman: hey, how is Agar coming along? Jun 30 22:00:44 is anyone working on a streamng netflix video app? Jun 30 22:01:26 scoutcamper: i would imagine only netflix could work on that Jun 30 22:39:42 govnah still has bugs. Jun 30 22:40:54 oc80z: no no, those're feeeatures Jun 30 22:41:47 android os sucks. Jun 30 22:42:06 sprint wants me to buy an evo. Jun 30 22:42:59 I want 1.4.5 and enough time to write a syncml contact and calendar syncing tool. Jun 30 22:45:46 syncml? Jun 30 22:45:53 yes. Jun 30 22:46:05 that is the #1 downfall of webos doctor. Jun 30 22:53:01 jhowirc2 sup. Jun 30 22:53:05 hows the hog, b. Jun 30 22:53:56 there. -62 is out Jun 30 22:54:59 hey rod -- u around? got a preware save/restore question for you Jun 30 23:01:36 niiiece. on the 3d? eh? Jun 30 23:05:58 sup with youtube flickering @ 800 mhz eh> Jun 30 23:07:57 there is no 800 Jun 30 23:16:12 w/ uberkernel Jun 30 23:16:22 whats that 3d issue? Jun 30 23:16:27 w/ hoggie Jun 30 23:23:03 where are the ipkg logs stored? Jun 30 23:23:26 thank you to those who've listened to my ad hoc wifi probs and have tried to help. I confirmed with another that I am not the only one that cannot change modes using the w-int wiki page. I will notify the author of the page. - hopefully palm is baking this in eventually Jun 30 23:36:28 anyone know where ipkg logs are stored? Jun 30 23:44:14 er on media internal i thought Jun 30 23:47:01 rcube: just write on the top of the wiki page that it doesn't work. Jun 30 23:49:36 my pre's external speaker is all but dead Jun 30 23:49:48 :( Jun 30 23:54:51 anyone here that works with saverestore? Jun 30 23:59:01 rwhitby: 21,109 views. :O Jun 30 23:59:30 the F105 Video? Jul 01 00:00:05 Yeah. Jul 01 00:01:26 nice Jul 01 00:01:58 so, after the attempt at the updated libc yesterday (and after the doc) I think I may have found a glitch or two in save restore Jul 01 00:02:04 someone on precentral was claiming that pixi is lightning fast now Jul 01 00:02:24 Lightning fast? eehhhh.... Jul 01 00:02:29 Im sure it feels quicker. Jul 01 00:02:36 you could make a video of that Jul 01 00:02:42 I have heard that saverestore uses scripts so tell it what and how to abck up each app and I am curious where those scripts are located so I can take a look and see if I can figure out the problem Jul 01 00:02:43 No Pixi Jul 01 00:03:14 btw, after an extensive disclaimer from me, there are now two more 1050 Warthok pre's out there Jul 01 00:03:28 pixi is much more mem constrained Jul 01 00:03:31 s/Warthok/Warthog/ Jul 01 00:03:33 cryptk meant: btw, after an extensive disclaimer from me, there are now two more 1050 Warthog pre's out there Jul 01 00:04:08 sure. not like I'm supporting it :) Jul 01 00:04:34 jhowirc, do you have anything that would explain how to do the metadoc memboot? I want to give the updated libc another try and see if I can grab some boot logs this time Jul 01 00:04:48 rwhitby: said it should have been named the DontUseThis kernel Jul 01 00:04:49 I liiked through the metadoc but didn't find anything documented in the makefile Jul 01 00:05:04 go to the wiki Jul 01 00:05:14 jhowirc, I agree, lol... I told them that their phones may die after a year, a month, a week or possibly even later that day Jul 01 00:05:22 search for boot process Jul 01 00:05:26 they both said they have insurance on the phones and are willing Jul 01 00:05:49 well insurance is likely void Jul 01 00:06:01 keep that in mind. Jul 01 00:06:21 no one here advocates use of insurance for that purpose Jul 01 00:06:37 I did tell them that Jul 01 00:07:13 I explained that at 1050 their phones are as good as melted, warranty void and that I recommended a setting more like 720 (or 800 if it ever comes back) Jul 01 00:07:56 I also showed them how to use govnah and how to watch their temps Jul 01 00:18:52 hrm.... I may have a clue in my goal of disabling the boot splash Jul 01 00:19:03 logofile = boot/logo.tga Jul 01 00:19:12 call me old school, but I like to see my lines of text Jul 01 00:21:22 hrm... no logo.tga in the filesystem /boot... wonder if it is in the boot.bin Jul 01 00:22:32 cryptk: it's in the flash directly. see castle.xml Jul 01 00:22:42 rwhitby, thanks! Jul 01 00:32:08 rwhitby, are you talking about the static Palm logo that shows up at first? or the two images that pulse? Jul 01 00:32:56 cryptk: dunno. just pointing you to some images that are hardcoded in the flash outside of the normal linux OS area Jul 01 00:33:13 ahh Jul 01 00:33:16 rwhitby: ok. I'll add to the wiki pg. Jul 01 00:44:53 tellbootie is very convenient... Jul 01 00:45:04 tellbootie is very convenient... Jul 01 00:45:08 ooops, lol Jul 01 00:45:09 you can say that again Jul 01 00:45:14 haha Jul 01 00:45:23 meant to hit up in my terminal, lol Jul 01 00:50:17 so... if I change and env setting in bootie, is there something I need to do to make it stick? Jul 01 00:52:51 cryptk: heh, I was chatting about that here yesterday Jul 01 00:53:25 logs are such wonderful things. Jul 01 00:53:43 apparently in production builds of bootie you cannot. but you can do it using Meta-Doctor or using trenchcoat. Just make sure that your comfortable doing a bare metal bootloader restore before playing with trenchcoat on the device. Jul 01 00:54:13 how do i put my palm pixi in developer mode? Jul 01 00:54:17 (I used an eeePC last night to recover my device. reformat="false" doesn't work for the bootloader line in castle.xml :) Jul 01 00:54:35 charles___: what google search terms have you tried so far? Jul 01 00:55:15 none i have no idea how to do it and i dont have a usb cable is there any way to install preware with out one? Jul 01 00:56:24 can anyone help? Jul 01 00:56:26 yes Jul 01 00:56:31 one second Jul 01 00:56:59 ok Jul 01 00:57:18 http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=webos+developer+mode&l=1 Jul 01 00:57:21 check that our Jul 01 00:57:23 out Jul 01 00:58:31 thank you Jul 01 00:58:40 now as far as installing preware without a USB cable... not sure on that one Jul 01 00:58:47 but that will at least get you into dev mode Jul 01 00:59:00 BeeRad: pixi love: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfE4Tg1B-es Jul 01 00:59:11 ok. thanks Jul 01 01:00:38 Go Pixi! Jul 01 01:01:04 rwhitby, so I won't be able to change them after the phone is set up, but if I metadoc it... edit castle.xml (looks like they are in there) and re doctor it, then I should have the change? Jul 01 01:01:20 when i went in to dev. mode my phone restarted then what do i do? Jul 01 01:01:35 after it boots back up you are in dev mode Jul 01 01:01:38 you are done Jul 01 01:01:42 now you need a USB cable Jul 01 01:01:51 and you need to RTFM on preware.org Jul 01 01:01:55 all the instructions are on there Jul 01 01:02:10 http://www.preware.org/#/index/ Jul 01 01:02:15 rwhitby: I KNEW somebody was going to exploit that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Jul 01 01:02:23 The app hung up!! Jul 01 01:02:26 WTH? Jul 01 01:02:36 the youtube app? Jul 01 01:02:40 Yes. Jul 01 01:02:54 haha Jul 01 01:02:57 I had no control over that. Jul 01 01:03:05 That had nothing to do with the overclock. Jul 01 01:03:12 I was soo pissed when that happened. Jul 01 01:03:16 well, the app loaded nice and fast, the latency for the list to populate could easially be network congestion slowing the data Jul 01 01:03:58 how do i get out of dev. mode Jul 01 01:04:15 charles___ eh? Jul 01 01:04:36 just like you got into it? Jul 01 01:04:54 but there isn't really a reason to turn it off that I know of... Jul 01 01:06:20 no firewall Jul 01 01:07:57 jhowirc, I guess that would be one Jul 01 01:08:17 hrm... bootie has a usb connect command... doesn't seem to do anythign though Jul 01 01:08:39 usb disconnect sure does though Jul 01 01:15:20 rwhitby, I think there may be a way to push a new castle.xml to a running device! Jul 01 01:15:39 cryptk: there is, just run trenchcoat on the device Jul 01 01:15:51 that's how I wiped my bootloader last night :) Jul 01 01:16:03 /sbin/trenchcoat --config /usr/share/bootie/castle.xml < /boot/boot.bin Jul 01 01:16:09 ahh Jul 01 01:16:11 lol Jul 01 01:16:39 well damn... I was hoping that I knew somethign you didn't... wrong again... Jul 01 01:16:40 lol Jul 01 01:16:47 rwhitby is all knowing Jul 01 01:17:15 cryptk: BTW, that's not the right syntax Jul 01 01:17:28 either give --config, or pipe the xml file in. Jul 01 01:17:40 I got that from bootloader.postinst Jul 01 01:18:26 ah, yes, for the specific contents of that xml file (which is very different from the one in the doctor) you need to do that. Jul 01 01:18:29 so that is the syntax palm uses Jul 01 01:20:29 rwhitby: I wish you hadnt shown me that video. haha Jul 01 01:20:56 ahh, I see that now, looks like that is what they use to actually write the boot.bin to the flash... unless I am reading that wrong Jul 01 01:22:14 cryptk: yes, but the "file" argument actually reads the file from /boot/boot.bin Jul 01 01:22:28 so /sbin/trenchcoast < castle.xml will have the same effect Jul 01 01:22:48 (note I spelled it wrong so people can't cut and paste ;) Jul 01 01:24:07 yes Jul 01 01:24:12 I thought it was redundant Jul 01 01:25:07 is there a way to pull the data out of boot.bin? Jul 01 01:29:09 cryptk: what data? Jul 01 01:30:04 nvm, I was being stupid, lol Jul 01 01:37:51 ok, /var/lib/software/state = 4 Jul 01 01:38:31 and /var/lib/software/version is Palm webOS 1.4.5;222 Jul 01 01:39:05 copying /var/lib/software/SessionFiles/urls off Jul 01 01:41:12 grabbing ipkgs as they download to /var/lib/update/ .... Jul 01 01:42:48 update out? Jul 01 01:42:52 for o2 Jul 01 01:44:59 while true ; do rsync -avr /var/lib/update/ /media/internal/update/ ; done Jul 01 01:45:45 I put a sleep 1 in there too Jul 01 01:47:06 wow, nice, hopefully soon for others then Jul 01 01:47:22 btw, rwhitby very sneaky there... almost like packet interception... Jul 01 01:47:55 i feel like a noob coming in here asking, but should i remove uberkernel before updating to 1.4.5? Jul 01 01:48:33 dawm|laptop: follow @webosinternals on twitter for guidance. Jul 01 01:48:45 yeah i am, just didnt see anything yet Jul 01 01:49:23 oops, I better make sure I actually have uberkernel installed on this device for testing first Jul 01 01:49:34 hehe Jul 01 01:49:49 rwhitby, I have warthog on mine (if the update comes to sprint soon...) Jul 01 01:50:00 and some random patches. Europa Pre was only doctored the other day, so it doesn't have much on it Jul 01 01:50:06 dude they just got the update let them work Jul 01 01:50:29 wusaint, I know, I am, I am saying for testing Jul 01 01:50:51 back to my bootie exploration... and trying to eliminate that splash screen... Jul 01 01:51:40 cryptk: I wasn't referring to you. sorry Jul 01 01:51:49 wusaint, ahh, np ;) Jul 01 01:52:51 wusaint: we're good a multitasking here, chill out dude ;) Jul 01 01:52:53 wusaint: to me then? wtf :P i was just curious, i was gonna ask earlier today but i totally forgot Jul 01 01:53:30 rwhitby, so, could I add my entries into the castle.xml that metadoc uses, then pump that into trenchcoat? Jul 01 01:53:46 cryptk: yep, that should work Jul 01 01:55:20 O2 pixi standin in line? Jul 01 01:56:05 ka6sox-work: just hit update check on it Jul 01 01:57:19 rwhirby: lol sorry man. I'm just excited Jul 01 01:58:28 wonder if it could be as easy as adding nosplash into the bootargs... Jul 01 01:59:21 http://www.webos-internals.org/images/7/75/Keyboss_2010-30-06_215524.png Jul 01 02:08:50 rwhitby, when you get a sec... Unable to open filesystem data file "BootLogo.tga": No such file or directory Jul 01 02:09:00 that is using the castle.xml from metadoc Jul 01 02:09:32 I added in one line and changed the bootloader line to actually point at /boot/boot.bin Jul 01 02:09:41 echo ${BOOTIE} Jul 01 02:09:45 oops, lol Jul 01 02:12:11 cryptk: oh, meta-doctor sends the files in-stream Jul 01 02:12:27 ahh... Jul 01 02:12:57 I guess the question is... if I omit lines from the castle.xml will bootie stick with the values it already has? Jul 01 02:15:09 I need to return my phone tomorrow. Is security wipe the way to go? Doctors not enough correct? Jul 01 02:15:24 yeah Jul 01 02:15:29 security wipe Jul 01 02:28:29 well, I have a funky test pattern looking thing on ym LCD now Jul 01 02:29:16 lets see if it actually boots, lol Jul 01 02:29:25 novaterm still works... Jul 01 02:29:45 and pulsing palm logo Jul 01 02:29:49 damn... Jul 01 02:33:37 Installing 1.4.5 on Pre now Jul 01 02:33:57 rwhitby, so I managed to delete the bootlogo I think Jul 01 02:34:07 but still no go on getting scrilling text... Jul 01 02:34:19 I do get a rather funky fresh tie dyed test pattern though Jul 01 02:34:22 cryptk: maybe console cmdline arg needs changing Jul 01 02:34:34 ?? Jul 01 02:34:52 is precentral getting hammered Jul 01 02:34:53 you mean as in the bootargs? Jul 01 02:35:01 because i'm having real issues with the forums Jul 01 02:35:13 1.4.5 came out for O2 so I am sure they are Jul 01 02:36:44 the test pattern is kinda cool though... shows up full screen at first, then a second later the top left corner fades Jul 01 02:39:06 so people on O2 can try the new wirc :) Jul 01 02:40:16 * ka6sox waits patiently till its my turn. Jul 01 02:40:20 * lonelygrrl got the download link for eudep145rod/webosdoctorp100ueu-wr.jar Jul 01 02:41:00 * lonelygrrl guess if it's safe to debrand the thing and disable modem upgrade and doctor my sprint. Jul 01 02:41:36 cryptk: yeah, bootargs. check /proc/cmdline in linux Jul 01 02:41:50 lonelygrrl: URL please Jul 01 02:42:14 lonelygrrl: for http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Jul 01 02:42:14 rwhitby: http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p145r0d06302010/eudep145rod/webosdoctorp100ueu-wr.jar Jul 01 02:42:22 k Jul 01 02:42:25 I will edit it Jul 01 02:43:44 1.4.5 doctor http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p145r0d06302010/eudep145rod/webosdoctorp100ueu-wr.jar Jul 01 02:43:57 30 seconds too late PlayX Jul 01 02:44:06 someone literally jsut posted it, lol Jul 01 02:44:08 damn Jul 01 02:44:50 rwhitby is too fast Jul 01 02:44:54 rwhitby, oddly enough, I modified castle.xml to try and both delete the boot.tga AND remove it's env entry.... but it is still listed under printenv Jul 01 02:45:43 I am sure he had the page up already, lol Jul 01 02:53:29 Anybody ever hear of or personally have external speaker issues with the Pre? Jul 01 02:54:17 BeeRad: mine is currently blown. 2nd time it's happened Jul 01 02:54:26 there been threads about people's speakers blowing out Jul 01 02:54:39 * BeeRad sighs. Jul 01 02:55:07 BeeRad, I've had it on other phones but not a pre Jul 01 02:55:35 sprint can fix without swapping the phone Jul 01 02:55:46 I've had to BB Storm 2's with blown speakers too. I'm cursed. I was asking specifically if it was a Pre problem too. Jul 01 02:56:01 wusaint: What do they do? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 01 02:59:57 2010