**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 03 02:59:56 2010 Jul 03 03:00:38 later! Jul 03 03:05:29 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/253680-keyboss.html need alpha testers Jul 03 03:07:53 looks fancy Jul 03 03:09:38 THINK OF THE CHILDREN! Jul 03 03:14:14 fancy haha, the icon is stock too Jul 03 03:14:28 kick Templarian Jul 03 03:14:39 ~kick Templarian Jul 03 03:14:40 * infobot kicks Templarian Jul 03 03:14:43 lol Jul 03 03:15:06 WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILLLLDRENNNN Jul 03 03:15:19 ~stab oil Jul 03 03:15:20 * infobot runs at oil with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. Jul 03 03:15:26 OW Jul 03 03:15:35 INORIT? Jul 03 03:16:06 * halfhalo is playing defense grid on onlive Jul 03 03:16:50 * Templarian thinks oww. Jul 03 03:18:38 * Templarian thinks it is bad when the rubut is taught to be evil. Jul 03 03:19:37 as long as it doesn't start doing thinks without anyone commanding it i think we're ok Jul 03 03:19:38 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:Icon_WebOSInternals_Keyboard.png couldn't you use this icon sans patch indicator. Jul 03 03:19:53 things* Jul 03 03:20:30 ~nuke france Jul 03 03:20:31 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at france ... B☢☢M! Jul 03 03:20:57 That takes care of that.... Jul 03 03:21:42 why france, wouldn't they have just surrendered? Jul 03 03:21:52 we need to get rid of them anyway Jul 03 03:22:05 Because surrender=paperwork Jul 03 03:22:42 Plus they could want some new lakes. Jul 03 03:23:01 Well, if done right just one reeeallly big new lake Jul 03 03:23:49 Or a giant :) if planned well. Jul 03 03:27:03 ~nuke AT&T Jul 03 03:27:04 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at AT&T ... B☢☢M! Jul 03 03:27:25 Its ok, their service can only get better Jul 03 03:27:30 halohalo got an additional invite for onlive? want to check it out Jul 03 03:27:52 just sign up for one Jul 03 03:28:00 takes about 2 days for it to go through Jul 03 03:28:31 poor pixi again....got fan this time Jul 03 03:28:38 lol Jul 03 03:28:45 srsly, why Jul 03 03:29:53 because AT&T CONTINUES TO MAKE A MESS! Jul 03 03:30:45 Hey egaudet, I can alpha test keyboss Jul 03 03:32:28 I want to be fixing the patch portal...not standing around waiting for them to reconnect me :P Jul 03 03:33:47 gollyzila|comp, grab it off test feed Jul 03 03:33:51 and uinput from test kernels feed Jul 03 03:34:01 patches are for losers Jul 03 03:34:02 halohalo did they change the signup? last I checked they had the beta signup only Jul 03 03:34:06 egaudet: Done and done Jul 03 03:34:10 portals even more so Jul 03 03:34:21 and they officially launched hte last day of e3 Jul 03 03:34:27 * jhowirc smacks halohalo with a trout. Jul 03 03:34:40 morning Jul 03 03:34:52 Ok, how the hell are you getting halohalo from halfhalo... Jul 03 03:35:35 I blame oil since he helped make wirc Jul 03 03:35:45 and mornign rwhitby Jul 03 03:38:32 gollyzila|comp, and if you get -6 vkb from patches testing feed you can test the keyboss hard key emulation (example, vkb -6 with keyboss + uinput should allow backspace in browser pages to work along with autocrrect) Jul 03 03:46:08 egaudet, open browser, double tap, turn to landscape, turn back Jul 03 03:46:17 it isn't resizing back to portrait size Jul 03 03:46:33 egaudet: I already notice a random bug. I'm typing "THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPED OVER THE LAZY SHEEP DOG" and a few letters a replaced by the next letter. Ex: I type TH and the E replaces the H, thus resulting with TE Jul 03 03:46:56 and because it only renders once, double tapping to hide it and bring it back doesn't fix it Jul 03 03:48:09 egaudet: This is used with the hard keyboard and in Memos, holding the letters to capitalize Jul 03 03:50:49 hape_: glad to hear it compiles for you too, and thanks for the wiki update Jul 03 03:51:24 hape_: is the app structure built in the navit directory self-contained now? If I package that as-is, will it work out of the box? Jul 03 03:52:05 rwhitby: I'm pretty sure I have armv6 working, except that you have to do a `make clobber-armv7` first. Having the plain build/ dir with no ARCH suffix creates problems Jul 03 03:55:24 gollyzila|comp: I can't reproduce the quick... Jul 03 03:55:41 cryptk: good catch Jul 03 03:55:48 egaudet_wirc, np ;) Jul 03 03:56:33 I missed any other comments as I ran out the door on a food run Jul 03 03:56:52 Tman: right. that's what needs to be fixed. Jul 03 03:57:07 need to be able to have armv7, armv6 and i686 builds all at the same time Jul 03 04:02:19 rwhitby: okay.. so would the correct approach be to just make build-{armv7,armv6,i686}/ dirs below each package? Jul 03 04:03:39 Tman: check what we do in preware/build.git and mirror that Jul 03 04:05:10 kk Jul 03 04:09:36 Still no 1.4.5 for the US. Jul 03 04:11:09 sad panda :( Jul 03 04:11:12 :,( Jul 03 04:11:33 (._.) << sad panda Jul 03 04:11:36 ah, good. Just got the 1.4.5 notification on my main device Jul 03 04:11:51 rwhitby, what carrier is the main device? Jul 03 04:12:59 cryptk: carrier is irrelevant Jul 03 04:13:04 (vodafone Australia) Jul 03 04:13:43 the device is a P101UEU Jul 03 04:16:23 rwhitby: so.. it looks like there's basically a build/src and build/${ARCH} directories, src is left alone and copied into each ${ARCH} directory where it's compiled. sound correct? Jul 03 04:17:43 I'm not seeing any building actually going on in preware/build.git.. so I'm filling in the holes Jul 03 04:17:55 Tman: look in apps/preware/Makefile Jul 03 04:17:58 hey Jul 03 04:18:07 Tman: or saverestore or govnah Jul 03 04:18:09 rwhitby: 24M compcache still working well for me Jul 03 04:18:49 tman: it builds in the per app subdir Jul 03 04:19:02 This Pre in general has been much more acceptable with regards to performance because of these kernel mods Jul 03 04:19:05 thanks Jul 03 04:19:51 bhuey: now go tell 100 people :) Jul 03 04:20:41 rwhitby: well.. ok. the govnah one seems to clobber and then build from source inside build/src. that works, but it means a recompile every time no matter what Jul 03 04:21:11 jhowirc: freak'n make a big announcement about it instead :) Jul 03 04:21:27 This at least puts a bit more life into my Pre Jul 03 04:21:31 sure Jul 03 04:21:39 Hope new hardware comes out soon Jul 03 04:21:51 make a free app "how to make your pre better and faster" and explain homebrew Jul 03 04:22:59 I am putting up a post about that Jul 03 04:23:25 jhowirc, I have one already Jul 03 04:23:35 well then Jul 03 04:23:53 Tman: one thing to remember for cross-compile.git is that dtzWill went to a lot of trouble to make things -j (parallel build) compatible Jul 03 04:24:04 Tman: so if we can retain that compatibility it would be good Jul 03 04:24:05 jhowirc, http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/251886-tips-speed-up-your-palm-pre-pixi.html#post2515386 Jul 03 04:24:44 compcache is in Uber kernel right? Jul 03 04:24:58 rwhitby: it builds with -j? Jul 03 04:25:25 jhowirc: cross-compile.git does, yes. Jul 03 04:25:26 rwhitby: ok. so I was mistaken about what it's doing.. but maybe it would in fact be better to copy the src/ and build in separate directories. If anything, that would make it more -j safe, no? Jul 03 04:25:33 Tman: agreed Jul 03 04:25:53 ok :) Jul 03 04:26:17 cryptk: can you change the first post to point directly to http://install.preware.org/ (and make sure the URL is shown as that, rather than how they replace it with the page title) - we're trying to make that the canonical install URL Jul 03 04:27:14 sure Jul 03 04:27:24 thx Jul 03 04:28:19 what is a good compcache setting for plus models? Jul 03 04:28:58 jhowirc, ^^ Jul 03 04:29:01 it is for the post Jul 03 04:29:08 I am adding in info about compcache Jul 03 04:33:13 there ya go rwhitby it is fixed for ya Jul 03 04:35:13 pfft it's only 2 steps. I have 8 lol Jul 03 04:35:49 it really should not be a forum post Jul 03 04:35:58 it should be on th wiki Jul 03 04:36:04 I have one. "Kill it with fire". Solves everathang Jul 03 04:36:38 jhowirc, it is up to 4 now Jul 03 04:36:44 egaudet: Okay, i did a big no-no. I tried to install -6 VKB on top of -5 thinking it would update fine. I've now installed the vkb cleanup package and uninstalled the themes and config package and luna restarted but the grey, theme-less VKB still shows up. I'm going to search on the forums in the meantime Jul 03 04:37:16 gollyzila|comp, installing -6 on top of -5 is fine Jul 03 04:37:16 jhowirc, once you get the wiki post done let me know and I will edit that post to just point to it Jul 03 04:37:34 thanks for reminding me of the cleanup package... say bye to it Jul 03 04:37:34 egaudet: WOSQI yelled at me though Jul 03 04:37:35 gollyzila|comp, that is what I did... patches are made to be updated... Jul 03 04:37:39 and don't run it ever again :) Jul 03 04:38:11 remove the VKB and the VKB Default THemes and Config package Jul 03 04:38:13 then reinstall Jul 03 04:38:18 WOSQI? Jul 03 04:38:24 use Preware Jul 03 04:39:06 -6 didnt show up for me. Jul 03 04:39:42 why is onlive doing this to me…. Jul 03 04:39:46 ? Jul 03 04:39:54 it wont let me play defense grid Jul 03 04:40:08 hey halfhalo do they have onlive linux Jul 03 04:40:14 not yet Jul 03 04:40:19 But soonish methinks Jul 03 04:40:31 does the mini console thing work without a computer? Jul 03 04:40:34 Yeah Jul 03 04:40:46 so is it running windows or mac Jul 03 04:40:47 The mini console is sweet Jul 03 04:41:01 how does this onlive thing work? what data does it stream for displaying? surely not actual video Jul 03 04:41:03 how's the lag? are there multiplayer games? Jul 03 04:41:22 all the mini console is is a freaking box with two usb ports, hdmi, and ethernet, just running their custom os Jul 03 04:41:32 oh they have a custom os too Jul 03 04:41:45 and lag is minimal assuming your not sharing it with xbox live like I am right now Jul 03 04:41:51 and its streaming 720p video Jul 03 04:42:11 cryptk you can make the wiki page Jul 03 04:42:12 gollyzila|comp, I can't reproduce the -> te Jul 03 04:42:14 for now, at least Jul 03 04:42:23 halfhalo: what codec? looking good? must have to have a great connection Jul 03 04:42:40 I just make pkgs Jul 03 04:42:57 jhowirc, I thought you had 8 steps already? Jul 03 04:43:14 You need a 5mb, and its decent enough video. custom codec, with just a few compession artifacts, usually when the connection hiccups Jul 03 04:43:21 in a post that is still in my email Jul 03 04:43:33 and not detailed Jul 03 04:43:36 plans are down the road to add lower and higher res games, and implement autoscaling Jul 03 04:43:38 ahh, well email it to me when you can and I will whip something up later Jul 03 04:43:45 halfhalo, 5 megabits only? Jul 03 04:43:49 halfhalo: interesting Jul 03 04:43:51 yup, 5 only Jul 03 04:44:14 sign up for an account Jul 03 04:44:16 all of you Jul 03 04:44:16 now Jul 03 04:44:27 tis free till the 15th for a year Jul 03 04:44:28 egaudet: I didn't change any of the slider settings, for your information Jul 03 04:44:29 halfhalo, and multiplayer runs ok? Jul 03 04:44:44 no one to play multi against right now Jul 03 04:44:58 gollyzila|comp, just enabled hold for caps only? Jul 03 04:45:10 but the game viewing arena works well, besides the double compression Jul 03 04:45:28 hold for caps and double tap for function Jul 03 04:47:50 * rwhitby bbl Jul 03 04:52:41 To add a custom feed into Preware through SSH, i just create a .conf in /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg ? Jul 03 04:53:30 egaudet: -6 VKB wasnt showing up for me because i didnt have the patches testing feed Jul 03 04:53:52 yeah Jul 03 04:55:01 still no overclocking for the pixi right? Jul 03 04:58:46 Who created the static bootlogo a few days ago? Jul 03 04:59:19 I personally think verbose looks cooler than a plain image (pulsing or not) Jul 03 05:01:44 egaudet: So is there anything specific you want alpha testers to test? Or do you just want us to use it daily and log whatever bugs we come across? Jul 03 05:01:55 the latter Jul 03 05:02:17 no major issues and it can go to main feeds Jul 03 05:02:36 thanks Jul 03 05:02:47 20 minutes later: IT KILLED MY CAT! Jul 03 05:03:00 okay. what's the text box for in KeyBoss? Secret cheat codes? Jul 03 05:03:04 btw I reproduced the THE -> TE thing, some sort of timing issue as it doesn't happen all the time Jul 03 05:03:12 gollyzila|comp, heh no just to see the repeat rate Jul 03 05:03:40 * halfhalo votes secret cheat codes Jul 03 05:04:10 virtual keyboard space in Memos does not work Jul 03 05:05:26 My computer is judging me Jul 03 05:05:57 why have you all not made onlive accounts yet? Jul 03 05:07:05 because I don't have non-linux nor have they gotten back to me yet Jul 03 05:07:21 gollyzila|comp, whoo what Jul 03 05:07:23 -6? Jul 03 05:07:33 hrm... I am thinking about trying to cross compile libventrilo3 Jul 03 05:07:34 egaudet: Virtual Keyboard backspace still doesnt work in browser Jul 03 05:07:37 yes -6 Jul 03 05:07:43 do you have keyboss installed? Jul 03 05:07:47 and uinput? Jul 03 05:08:02 yes and yes Jul 03 05:08:08 VKB backspace works fine for me in browser Jul 03 05:08:34 gollyzila|comp, novaterm in Jul 03 05:08:36 ls -l /dev/input Jul 03 05:08:43 status org.webosinternals.keyboss Jul 03 05:08:52 open up keyboss app does it give any alert? Jul 03 05:09:36 oh my god Jul 03 05:09:46 its a puzzfighter Jul 03 05:09:57 halfhalo, how much is the console? Jul 03 05:10:07 no idea, its not launched yet Jul 03 05:10:13 coming later this year Jul 03 05:10:13 bums Jul 03 05:10:29 Est. under 100, or under 150 with a free year+free game Jul 03 05:10:33 egaudet: just noticed KeyBoss settings dont stick. Im just changing hold for caps and double tap for func Jul 03 05:11:00 egaudet: I entered status org.webosinternals.keyboss and then opened up keyboss and did not receive an alert Jul 03 05:11:09 Later guys. Jul 03 05:11:10 anyone on here interested in working with me on making a Palm pre ventrilo client? Jul 03 05:11:27 dude, wait till mic apis for that Jul 03 05:11:32 when i input > ls -l /dev/input, i see uinput at the bottom of the list Jul 03 05:11:33 lots of the work is already done by the mangler guys, they have a library made that should cross compile easily Jul 03 05:12:01 halfhalo, there is alot of work that can be done before we have mic api's Jul 03 05:12:09 besides, alot of this would be C code Jul 03 05:12:17 NOT IF I CAN HELP IT! Jul 03 05:12:53 gollyzila|comp, what does keypad0 point to Jul 03 05:13:15 event6 Jul 03 05:13:21 does keycaps still work? Jul 03 05:14:26 yes. settings stick, but the app shows the settings as off Jul 03 05:14:45 gollyzila|comp, yeah app isn't aware of current settings when it launches yet Jul 03 05:14:50 put that on my list Jul 03 05:15:08 are you sure you have -6? Jul 03 05:15:15 yes Jul 03 05:15:28 This game is full of fail and half naked people, but not in a good way Jul 03 05:15:36 but as i recently stated, i had a few problems installing it Jul 03 05:15:38 gollyzila|comp, close memos app adn then reopen Jul 03 05:15:41 see if still can't space Jul 03 05:15:44 ditto with web Jul 03 05:15:44 but i followed your intructions Jul 03 05:16:20 * halfhalo may or may not be playing lego harry potter Jul 03 05:16:39 does anyone here have vzw and the agps patch installed? Jul 03 05:16:55 halfhalo: sad..... :) Jul 03 05:17:04 bbl Jul 03 05:17:18 Well, I'm using a magic mouse so no shooters for me right now Jul 03 05:18:42 halfhalo: magic mouse? do you like it? Jul 03 05:18:52 Yeah Jul 03 05:19:01 you get the eraser thing? Jul 03 05:19:13 I have it set so three finder swap to the sides switches spaces Jul 03 05:19:32 ever since I got my MBP, the trackpad has been so good I haven't felt the need for a mouse.. but I wonder how different it is Jul 03 05:19:47 nah Jul 03 05:19:53 hmm I use three finger for navigation. can you do that with four? Jul 03 05:19:58 I miss my thinkpad pointer Jul 03 05:19:59 yeah Jul 03 05:20:00 http://mmfixed.com/ Jul 03 05:20:08 I hart thinkpad Jul 03 05:20:33 I heart thinkpad too cept for the windows bit Jul 03 05:21:07 so no one has vzw here??? Jul 03 05:21:30 oh wait ka6sox-away does Jul 03 05:22:11 wtf is a magic mouse Jul 03 05:23:03 egaudet: Apple's multi-touch mouse Jul 03 05:24:00 like a touchscreen on a mouse Jul 03 05:24:18 Im so out of it Jul 03 05:25:23 alright good night Jul 03 05:27:26 night Jul 03 05:33:00 oh god, I just had an awesome yet horrible thought Jul 03 05:33:26 lol, what is it Jul 03 05:33:49 onlive in hotel rooms Jul 03 05:34:02 Awesome, yet going to be so overpriced Jul 03 05:34:10 yeah Jul 03 05:34:17 Each hotel have a local node... Jul 03 05:35:24 Its…. brilliant Jul 03 05:35:28 ehe Jul 03 05:35:52 Local nodes everywhere for cheap, plus the hotels are happy Jul 03 05:47:46 jhojho: mornin... Jul 03 05:47:59 re Jul 03 05:48:17 morning… MORNING! Jul 03 05:48:37 ITS NOT MORNING! Jul 03 05:49:08 12:48am here bro. Jul 03 05:49:23 10:49 here Jul 03 05:49:29 /win Jul 03 05:59:38 *crickets* Jul 03 05:59:53 * halfhalo RAWR Jul 03 06:00:21 halfhalo: i'm trying to register for onlive now Jul 03 06:00:26 coo Jul 03 06:00:32 should take 2 days to get accepted Jul 03 06:03:35 erk Jul 03 06:03:39 they want a cc number? Jul 03 06:03:56 yeah Jul 03 06:03:59 verification stuff Jul 03 06:04:04 it doesn't get charged Jul 03 06:05:21 fail Jul 03 06:07:20 whale? Jul 03 06:38:59 egaudet: Are you sleeping? Jul 03 06:41:10 egaudet: Well if you read this in the logs, when i have both settings turned on in KeyBoss a lot of keys entered through the hardware keyboard are not registered. In universal search and other apps. Jul 03 06:44:06 egaudet: This is strange. Preware doesn't show that -6 VKB is installed on my device, but I am still able to use it. Maybe that's why I'm experiencing bugs with it in Memos. Jul 03 06:44:30 I'm going to install -6 again Jul 03 06:47:05 Tried to install it again but there was an IPKG log error. It didnt install it again since the files were already there Jul 03 06:53:46 is eric on? Jul 03 06:54:01 qq about the keyboss app Jul 03 07:01:12 I was going to look at the next rev of warthog tonight but halfhalo derailed me with onlive Jul 03 08:41:27 rwhitby: navit will work in 1.4.5 . But for the moment only without spocen directions and only an Engisch UI. Also you need to install a map as described in the wiki http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Navit Jul 03 08:43:00 rwhitby: noradtux is working on the espeak support for 1.4.5 Jul 03 08:43:43 rwhitby: I tries to get speech-dispatcher http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd running Jul 03 08:43:59 rwhitby: last status yesterday night was that it compiles Jul 03 08:59:00 rwhitby: hi, I don't think navit is ready for the autobuilder yet. It still crashes while routing when launched by luna. Jul 03 08:59:56 rwhitby: I hope to get it into working shape during the day Jul 03 13:07:55 hey, I updated webos to 1.4.5 and thanks to AUPT everything works like a charm. are there any benefits from the update, except that PDK apps are not running as root anymore? Jul 03 14:46:25 ~test Jul 03 14:46:27 Failed! Jul 03 14:46:29 ~test Jul 03 14:46:32 !test Jul 03 14:47:01 what's that test feed thing Jul 03 15:15:50 egaudet: Did you see my previous posts while you were sleeping? Jul 03 16:43:07 anyone know how to get the gstreamer camera source working on the pre? Jul 03 16:43:25 it's wonderfully nonstandard Jul 03 16:43:40 ... or there's just some trick I'm missing to enable it Jul 03 16:45:26 zsoc would be your best contact .. he is a gstreamer guy Jul 03 16:45:59 okay, thanks Jul 03 16:50:01 Who else here is alpha testing keyboss? Jul 03 17:59:20 about to buy a new phone to replace treo 650. is palm pre still the way to go, or should i be looking elsewhere? Jul 03 18:00:07 pre is nice if you like sliders .. pixi is good too if you want a more solid feeling phone Jul 03 18:01:30 I love the pixi :D Jul 03 18:01:41 :# Jul 03 18:01:44 erm, :) Jul 03 18:03:32 friends trying to get me to buy motorola droid, saying palm is dead, apparently bought by hp and killed. droid seems to have worse tech specs and ugly form factor... but thought i should get opinions from pre owners/hackers Jul 03 18:03:33 A_Bus<--A_Buff(31downto0); Jul 03 18:06:56 krushia, admittedly we are biased but I'm quite happy with the pre/pixi. I happen to like the pixi better but thats a personal choice. Jul 03 18:08:25 thought the pixi was a lower end device Jul 03 18:08:27 pre seems to get most of the developer attention it seems Jul 03 18:08:39 the performance of the ARM11 in there is actually surprisingly high Jul 03 18:08:39 droid runs at 600Mhz. my pre is clocked at a ghz Jul 03 18:08:59 GPU in the pixi seems to benchmark better than the pre as well Jul 03 18:09:24 interesting Jul 03 18:11:17 give the devices a shot and see which one you'd like Jul 03 18:11:40 i've personally never touched a pixi, but i hear great things if you can get over the stigma associated with them Jul 03 18:16:30 but in general, everyone here is satisfied with their pre/pixi? no regrets? Jul 03 18:17:55 i like mine .. it's nice Jul 03 18:20:23 I am using both a pixi plus and a pre + bought a Pixi for my wife. Jul 03 18:21:18 so I would check the box" Very Satisfied" Jul 03 18:34:58 krushia: what makes you think hp bought it to kill it? I'm certainly not getting that impression. Jul 03 18:37:05 krushia: btw, i like my pre too Jul 03 18:38:47 darronb: various news links posted say hp getting rid of palm staff. but personally just my feeling that hp has a habit of screwing things up (i had an ipaq way back, and 2 hp laptops that aren't too satisfying). Jul 03 18:39:04 only hp products that work right are printers it seems Jul 03 18:39:36 krushia: well, so does palm for that matter Jul 03 18:39:47 but, thats more future speculation. personally i don't see how it impacts pre/pixi if i'm purchasing now. Jul 03 18:40:06 krushia: might be just normal duplication of roles... but I'll have to go check into it Jul 03 18:40:15 . Jul 03 18:44:00 krushia: looks like duplicate roles and kruft removal to me. "dozens not hundreds", etc. most everyone is probably exaggerating the meaning and impact. HP's stating they plan to use webOS for netbooks and so on... they'll need the (good) palm people for that. Jul 03 18:44:45 pre looking more appealing over droid the more i google. for something so popular and more "open source", you'd think there would be more native apps running on droid Jul 03 18:45:08 for example, i can't even find a single report of openoffice running on a rooted droid Jul 03 18:45:34 krushia: not to downplay people losing their jobs... but that happens in any merger except if the purchased company is going to remain totally independent, which I don't think palm is... even then companies tend to take every good excuse to fire a few people. it's amazingly hard to fire people any other time Jul 03 18:46:37 hmm... i'd better shut up before I offend someone. :) Jul 03 18:48:14 i'm just a bit annoyed palm seems to have their own bluetooth stack (that I can't mess with) and the gstreamer camera source seems to need some special initialization beyond standard sources Jul 03 18:48:36 considering what I CAN mess with, that's probably pretty good Jul 03 18:50:08 oh yeah, reminds me... does anyone know much about the webos's bluetooth stack? it seems proprietary... I want to add to the supported bluetooth services. Jul 03 19:02:01 has anyone tried building WIDK since 1.4.5 came out? Jul 03 19:02:07 it's not working for me Jul 03 19:12:12 hello? Jul 03 19:25:08 wow, I just wrote some C code for the first time in years Jul 03 19:26:38 and it actually works... Jul 03 19:53:54 congrats Jul 03 20:17:57 hi Jul 03 20:18:23 has anyone here tried writing to /media/internal from a pdk-app since the update to 1.4.5? Jul 03 21:07:24 Hrm, my bet is either tomorrow, or tuesday for the US. Jul 03 23:03:44 is it possible for a pre to get stuck in the opposite screenstate Jul 03 23:03:57 I have govnah set to screenstate and it goes to the min frequency when the screen is on Jul 03 23:04:48 anybody wanna help out a fresh GSM Pre user activate his phone? :) Jul 04 00:27:25 geez.. maintaining the WIDK is work Jul 04 00:36:35 ok, so I am gonna try and set up the WIDK and try and cross-compile libventrilo3... Jul 04 00:37:07 wish me luck, never tried cross compiling anything before Jul 04 00:37:23 good luck Jul 04 00:37:43 I'm going to push something tonight probably that will require you to redo the make stage step Jul 04 00:37:54 which is the longest :p Jul 04 00:41:22 Tman, yay! Jul 04 00:42:05 if I can get libventrilo3 cross compiled then there is a good chance I can have a conenction to a vent server later on today Jul 04 00:42:39 first I am gonna try and port the jukebox made by the mangler crew, that would be a good test, that will let me connect and broadcast an mp3 Jul 04 00:44:02 cryptk: widk does most of the work for you Jul 04 00:44:07 cryptk: you can bug me if you have issues Jul 04 00:44:43 zsoc|away, awesome! I think I can handle the libventrilo2 and jukebox parts myself... the hard part will be getting it to listen to the mic... Jul 04 00:45:00 cryptk: oh, that shouldn't be hard Jul 04 00:45:02 luckily libventrilo3 is pretty well documented Jul 04 00:45:19 cryptk: alsa and PA are both well configured... does ventrilo support PA or no? Jul 04 00:46:08 zsoc|away: have you dealt with the python package in WIDK? Right now, pkgconfig is failing because it can't find the 'os' module Jul 04 00:46:30 cryptk: it would be the simplest. the pulse audio source is "pcm_input", and should be exposed Jul 04 00:46:47 zsoc|away: as part of the multiple-platform port, build/${ARCH} has become the new build/src.. idk if that's causing it or no Jul 04 00:46:50 not* Jul 04 00:46:53 Tman: pkg-config can be a nightmare sometimes.. i would play with it but at this point the box i'm on is so slow i want to kill myself during testing Jul 04 00:47:03 zsoc|away, yeah, except it has been forever since I have written in C Jul 04 00:47:32 Tman: oh. hmm.. build/${ARCH} actually makes my life easier (although I need to fix some scripts now) Jul 04 00:47:39 zsoc|away: mmk. how would people feel about moving python into nonworking for the time being? or could it just be an issue unique to me? :p Jul 04 00:47:46 Tman: but there were issues when my src package has a src folder... i got build/src confused with build/src/src lolol Jul 04 00:47:55 Tman: lemme test it Jul 04 00:48:30 that and I am trying to do the WIDK on 64 bit, how much of a pain is that going to cause? Jul 04 00:48:33 zsoc|away: well if there's an easy way for me to get my git repo to you without pushing to the origin I could Jul 04 00:48:57 Tman: uh.. a branch? but don't worry about that at the moment.. lemme test it real quick Jul 04 00:49:02 cryptk: very minor Jul 04 00:49:17 cryptk: you make have to build glib a few times... it hates .. most chipsets lol Jul 04 00:50:08 zsoc|away: yeah.. I just dunno how git does those or if I can create one with my access :p Jul 04 00:50:11 * zsoc|away builds python Jul 04 00:50:56 Tman: if you can push you can create a branch Jul 04 00:51:03 Tman: but don't worry about it at the moment, prolly just confuse things Jul 04 00:51:59 k Jul 04 00:53:48 zsoc|away: http://webos.pastebin.com/esi7sADP here's the Makefile Jul 04 00:54:44 Tman: if it's bothering you you can move it to nonworking locally, just don't push the change Jul 04 00:55:31 Tman: or do you need it for something? Jul 04 00:56:30 zsoc|away: I don't need it, I'll do that. I did mv ioquake to nonworking as well as it needs some changes in its repo, though they are simple Jul 04 00:58:09 Tman: yeah, python builds here :p Jul 04 00:58:18 let me try it after i pull your arch restructure Jul 04 00:58:44 zsoc|away: k. well python seems to be important to a lot of things. gotta go right now Jul 04 00:59:12 k, later Jul 04 00:59:19 * zsoc|away isn't here anyway Jul 04 01:03:05 zsoc tells lies so little children die... Jul 04 01:08:36 so... it seems that the WIDK is downloading the 1.4.5 SDK... Jul 04 01:08:48 except I am still on 1.4.1.1 Jul 04 01:08:58 shouldn't cause any problems though right? Jul 04 01:09:39 I would guess not, of course no guarantees :p Jul 04 01:09:40 scorcher Jul 04 01:09:56 ^^ description of the WIDK make toolchain Jul 04 01:09:59 cryptk: no, don't worry about that Jul 04 01:10:08 cryptk: the garbage we pull out of the sdk is just for magiks Jul 04 01:10:14 ok Jul 04 01:10:44 zsoc you pinged before what's up Jul 04 01:11:01 zsoc|away: if you responded earlier I didn't see it btw Jul 04 01:12:48 Tman_pre: it's cool, what do i have to do once i pull your update? rebuild the toolchain? Jul 04 01:12:57 PuffTheMagic: er... i don't honestly remember. Jul 04 01:13:18 anyway, gotta jet.. i'll hop in wirc in a bit Jul 04 01:14:04 zsoc|away: nah, stage. I don't want to push it though since not having python breaks X packages Jul 04 01:16:03 making stage... Jul 04 01:25:10 damn symling from sh to dash... re-making stage... Jul 04 01:25:18 s/symling/symlink/ Jul 04 01:25:18 cryptk meant: damn symlink from sh to dash... re-making stage... Jul 04 01:32:51 still making stage... Jul 04 01:37:47 still making stage... ... Jul 04 01:39:01 cryptk, go grab a beer Jul 04 01:39:04 or 10 Jul 04 01:39:47 haha Jul 04 01:40:24 so... I have the source for this library, along with a makefile... is it really as easy as invoking the sb2 environment with the pre mappings and calling make? Jul 04 01:48:46 cryptk: I would copy an existing package makefile and change it. makes it easy Jul 04 01:50:00 who all has tested VKB -6? Jul 04 01:52:58 not i Jul 04 01:53:07 egaudet, I have, works fine for me except the one bug with rotation I pointed out Jul 04 01:53:37 ahh yes right, fixed that locally need to push it (even though I hate the damn 3-second re-render going to landscape/portrait it'll have to do) Jul 04 01:53:40 although i'm looking for a volunteer to update the ad-blocking patch :) Jul 04 01:54:09 egaudet, is there a way to make it render once landscape and render once portrait and then not have to render anymore? Jul 04 01:54:25 jhoatt1, what is wrong with the add blocker patch? Jul 04 01:55:14 Tman_pre, that is done with make -f FILENAME right? Jul 04 01:55:26 cryptk, yeah I'll have to re-work the arrays a little bit, but I just want to get this out now because it contains the alert popup to tell people they need to remove/reinstall the VKB Default themes and config pacakge Jul 04 01:55:50 so in this case I would use make -f MakefilePRE if that were what I copied it to Jul 04 01:55:51 egaudet, can I alpha test Keyboss? Jul 04 01:55:55 cryptk: needs updating with more hostnames Jul 04 01:56:15 Bailmeister, yes anyone can. Just get it from the test feed Jul 04 01:56:27 and uinput is in the kernels/testing feed Jul 04 01:56:29 and probably to point to 0.0.0.0 instead of 127.0.0.1 Jul 04 01:58:56 still making stage... Jul 04 01:59:17 do I have to make stage with every update to the WIDK? Jul 04 01:59:37 egaudet: Thanks, I shoulda checked the feed first Jul 04 02:04:54 so cryptk if you are looking for something to patch... :) Jul 04 02:06:10 jhoatt1, I will get around to that one, but for now ventrilo is my project Jul 04 02:06:58 morning Jul 04 02:07:28 I love this license Jul 04 02:07:28 http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/ Jul 04 02:07:42 morning rwhitby Jul 04 02:07:57 cool Jul 04 02:08:09 damn... how long does this take... Jul 04 02:15:50 Tman: how is the widk update going? Jul 04 02:16:34 rwhitby, he was saying something about a problem with python earlier Jul 04 02:16:38 rwhitby: hello Jul 04 02:16:45 so he didn't want to push it because it would break X stuff Jul 04 02:18:46 so, who wants to hedge some bets... will this thing make the first time? Jul 04 02:18:53 should just push a branch, so that others can help Jul 04 02:19:49 still... making... stage... Jul 04 02:20:32 please tell me it doesn't take this long on subsequent runs... Jul 04 02:22:06 rwhitby: is there something special in how widk packages are built? I notices openssl is in there... but it won't build if you just download the source package and ./configure/make/whatever from sb2. It has lots of mmap errors whenever it tries to do test compiles for feature detection... ring a bell? Jul 04 02:22:54 the mmap error thing in sb2 is the only reason I'm still on sb1 and not using widk Jul 04 02:23:03 darronb, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK#Fix_mmap_errors maybe? Jul 04 02:23:07 darronb: sounds like your sb2 installation is no good. are you running a PAE kernel or virtualisation of some sort? Jul 04 02:24:04 cryptk: ah, no... that's all done.. doesn't help Jul 04 02:24:32 cryptk: the widk itself will build (well sort of, I never got it to make it through either... but that's a different problem and not important) Jul 04 02:25:44 rwhiyby: virtualization. I followed the exact specs, but it's all in a VirtualBox VM. SB1 has no problem with that... Jul 04 02:27:20 damnit... No package 'fontsproto' found Jul 04 02:27:21 darronb: we've had problems on a PAE kernel on top of virtualisation Jul 04 02:27:25 now I gotta start over Jul 04 02:27:55 my last widk attempt went far enough... but then many packages were trying to build before what they depended on, etc. I worked around it for a while, then decided it was good enough Jul 04 02:28:43 rwhitby: not PAE. 64bit kubuntu 10.04 Jul 04 02:28:54 rwhitby, fontsproto? I can't find it in a repo... Jul 04 02:29:23 rwhitby: default kernel image (I leave the host reasonably clean) Jul 04 02:31:02 does anyone else use a 64bit host with WIDK in a VirtualBox VM? Jul 04 02:32:11 is x11proto-fonts-dev what I am after? Jul 04 02:32:22 I had the same trouble with 9.10, ubuntu 10.04, anything else I tried basically. SB2 does not like me. :) what's odd is what I originally said... openssl builds within the WIDK build environment, but not standalone direct from source in sb2 Jul 04 02:33:10 doesn't look like that is what I needed Jul 04 02:34:42 I'd like to know why this happens: Jul 04 02:34:46 error: Ref refs/remotes/origin/master is at e6de62da7e33106c3f035d7503f9a385df3b3ebb but expected 6d0741dcaeb03ed840f6b81952883e08687454b1 Jul 04 02:36:01 time to blow away and clone again ... Jul 04 02:40:47 rwhitby: I think I was getting that but running again fixed it Jul 04 02:41:15 darronb: I would suggest trying in vmware player, also free Jul 04 02:41:29 I've got vmware workstation, actually Jul 04 02:42:02 I suppose I could try that (I think i did once), but I'm trying to get a VM ready I can sent to other coworkers Jul 04 02:42:12 there you go. I happen to be using parallels but I think vmware should work Jul 04 02:42:33 vmware player i suppose is an option for that... hmm Jul 04 02:43:00 I doubt that virtualbox vs vmware will make a difference, but it's worth a try Jul 04 02:43:18 vmware isn't gonna help Jul 04 02:43:31 this is a env issue it sounds Jul 04 02:43:48 something is being detected by autosucktools Jul 04 02:43:57 puff: yeah, i think I tried vmware anyway. (it's been months thoug, so I'm not sure) Jul 04 02:44:03 that is causing the build to fail Jul 04 02:44:16 PuffTheMagic: the problem we had on the autobuilder with sb2 was not environment. it was a PAE kernel in the guest running in a Xen virtualisation. Jul 04 02:44:27 reason #1 not to breathe through your mouth: you might inhale a fruit fly Jul 04 02:44:54 so... on make stage... I am getting an error, missing package fontsproto when it is trying to build x/xfonts Jul 04 02:45:26 I checked the makefile in there and installed the one package that was listed as a dependency that I was missing, but I still get the same error Jul 04 02:45:31 rwhitby I thought darronb was having a different issue Jul 04 02:46:00 and I can't find a fontsproto anywhere Jul 04 02:46:08 rwhitby: ok I'm pretty close to having everything in armv6 compile, but when I push the change everyone will have to do a clobber-armv7 because the build/src dirs need to be pure for copying to the different build/ARCH dirs Jul 04 02:46:42 Tman_pre: we'll just tell people to do a full clobber Jul 04 02:46:56 puff: my specific issue is that trying to build Qt in the SB2 used for widk results in a not of mmap errors when it's trying to do that configure test compile stuff for feature detection. openssl does the same thing, but it is in widk and builds fine within widk... so there's something either patched or an environment difference between straight SB2 and the widk build Jul 04 02:47:00 I do however have a fontproto.h in my /usr/include Jul 04 02:47:21 s/not/lot Jul 04 02:48:02 I'm tempted to try to shove Qt in the widk build and see if it works there. heh. Jul 04 02:48:31 well there's no need to rebuild the toolchain.. but either way. currently I need zsoc to fix the python build before this can be in origin Jul 04 02:49:59 meh... I moved it to non-working Jul 04 02:55:30 sudo apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-core fixed it... Jul 04 02:55:36 moved it back from non-working Jul 04 02:56:02 granted... what I am doing isn't going to use any X stuff, but whatever Jul 04 02:56:42 I think libxfont-dev may have been the package I needed **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 04 02:59:57 2010