**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 10 02:59:56 2010 Jul 10 03:00:56 ok, i feel retarted righht now. i forgot you fould pass a fumctionna function as an object. someone shoot me Jul 10 03:09:55 so how's everyone's night going? Jul 10 03:10:29 beer Jul 10 03:10:38 ah Jul 10 03:10:48 im just being a nerd Jul 10 03:11:09 listening to slacker radio on my Pre through my 47" flat screen... Jul 10 03:11:18 lol Jul 10 03:11:35 only i had to plug the netbook into it as well to get the audio channel to activate Jul 10 03:11:45 ah Jul 10 03:11:51 so now ive got a 47" spreadsheet on my screen and some rock music Jul 10 03:12:09 im watching eureka and using the ipad Jul 10 03:12:10 sounds right Jul 10 03:12:31 im also chatting with you guys and some people on IM in pidgin Jul 10 03:12:41 im trolling 4chan Jul 10 03:12:45 amd im brainstorming node.js stuff Jul 10 03:12:48 i really could have just used the damn netbook, felt like the pre instead... Jul 10 03:13:01 /b/ shall ruin the world Jul 10 03:13:31 eh, im a reddit convert honestly Jul 10 03:13:33 i'm making the next best app :) Jul 10 03:13:43 Anivrom: no i am :p Jul 10 03:13:44 node.js ftw Jul 10 03:14:02 no, i am Jul 10 03:14:03 zsoc: negative, admit your defeat and I may spare your life Jul 10 03:14:11 did anyone watch Haven on syfy channel? Jul 10 03:14:12 halfhalo: what I just said :P Jul 10 03:14:19 Anivrom: how many times have /you/ made the front page of engadget? ;) Jul 10 03:14:25 mine prints money Jul 10 03:14:35 i made it twice.ish Jul 10 03:14:38 zsoc: first app! Jul 10 03:14:54 Anivrom: first two ^_^ Jul 10 03:15:00 * zsoc has a larger internet penis Jul 10 03:15:09 i made it once.. Jul 10 03:15:13 mine was due to stuff on notebookreview Jul 10 03:15:34 ugh, i am that guy i hate Jul 10 03:15:36 someone kick me Jul 10 03:15:54 i wou ld if i could Jul 10 03:15:54 well I'm still several weeks if not more from publishing my app since I have to actually learn the stuff as I go and the app is huge and complex. Jul 10 03:16:16 ha... Jul 10 03:16:23 Ok. I feel better. Jul 10 03:16:29 you should Jul 10 03:16:29 i hate huge and complex Jul 10 03:16:34 Anivrom: lemme know if you need hel Jul 10 03:16:43 wrote an IRC client once... never doing that crap again Jul 10 03:16:47 Will do. And expect me to :P Jul 10 03:17:00 i need more node.js peeps up n here. Jul 10 03:17:24 I wrote a chat program in winsock in highschool. had a few ppl using it since official IM was banned Jul 10 03:17:27 i wrote an irc client as well. took a day for the base stuff and it is usable Jul 10 03:17:52 i was writing for PalmOS Jul 10 03:18:03 node is just retartedly easy to program in Jul 10 03:18:07 background stuff was a nightmare Jul 10 03:18:37 * Anivrom needs to look up this "node.js" Jul 10 03:19:11 yeah what is this node.js you speak of? Jul 10 03:19:19 server side js Jul 10 03:19:29 event driven as well Jul 10 03:19:38 NICE Jul 10 03:19:43 That's what I need for this game. Jul 10 03:19:46 i see Jul 10 03:19:48 gonna have world ranking Jul 10 03:19:55 i suck at everything js Jul 10 03:20:11 its what the wargames is running on Jul 10 04:17:38 Hello. I'm trying to install the "launcher page selection tabs" patch and I'm getting an error Jul 10 04:18:10 anyone have any idea why? Jul 10 04:18:44 my idea is that something is wrong Jul 10 04:19:09 "Unable to run command: IPKG offline root" Jul 10 04:19:38 that sounds bad Jul 10 04:20:56 great... Jul 10 04:21:27 sorry :( do you have more of an error to give us? more of a log ? Jul 10 04:22:55 welll, not really. After that it's just a long path Jul 10 04:23:49 1 out of 7 hunks failed Jul 10 04:23:55 and then Jul 10 04:24:02 1 out of 2 hunks failed Jul 10 04:24:45 what's the long path ? Jul 10 04:25:08 it just save the rejects Jul 10 04:25:12 do you want that? Jul 10 04:25:33 sure paste it online Jul 10 04:25:48 which version of webos ? Jul 10 04:26:57 probably conflicting patch installed Jul 10 04:29:23 that's what I thought too, but the only launcher patches I have a d "hide" patches, 4x4 icon patch, and fully transparent launcher Jul 10 04:32:42 have you tried removing them Jul 10 04:33:14 just the launcher patches? Jul 10 04:33:34 yea Jul 10 04:34:34 gnight Jul 10 04:43:05 cool. That workrf Jul 10 04:43:08 worked Jul 10 04:43:12 thanks Jul 10 04:46:26 n8chavez: sweet. enjoy :) Jul 10 04:46:50 I will....thx Jul 10 06:12:38 * BeeRad is not seeing Govnah and Preware updates. (grumblecakes) Jul 10 06:18:42 Ok, now that's strange. If I shut off all feeds but the testing feeds and hit update....it found all three updates just fine. Jul 10 06:54:54 wow bip is frustrating Jul 10 07:06:52 lol Jul 10 08:19:11 is there any way to get this as a webos soundboard? Jul 10 08:19:12 http://www.soundboard.com/sb/hemaphore.aspx Jul 10 10:52:07 ~seen rwhitby Jul 10 10:52:08 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (1d 15h 22m 17s) #oe (1d 15h 22m 17s) #meego (1d 15h 22m 17s) #nslu2-linux (1d 15h 22m 17s). Has said a total of 22 messages. Is idling for 20h 3m 41s, last said: 'should work fine for english'. Jul 10 11:01:58 rwhitby: I pushed speechd and navit to build.git/nonworking Jul 10 11:07:06 noradtux: ok Jul 10 11:07:58 noradtux: was the my-kernel pushed by mistake? Jul 10 11:08:26 oops, yes, that must have slipped in Jul 10 11:08:54 I moved it to nonworking Jul 10 11:09:01 rwhitby: This version is for 1.4.5 only. Jul 10 11:09:09 yeah, just throw it away Jul 10 11:09:35 that wasn't supposed to be in my git anyway Jul 10 11:11:02 hape: please make sure the description says that clearly, like in wIRC Jul 10 11:22:26 rwhitby: I modified the description of navit accordingly Jul 10 11:23:23 rwhitby: we will need some git storage where we can put the files for the packages. I did not manage to put all the stuff into the build.git in a clean way Jul 10 11:51:01 anyone have an eta for 1.4.5.1 on sprint? Jul 10 15:32:59 hey, its me again :) tried few different settings with meta-doctor, but still cant create palm account so i could use app catalog Jul 10 15:35:35 when i put meta dr. skip the first use app so i could setup my APN settings and run it afterwards it only askes language and then reboots and dissapears, doesnt ask anything about palm account Jul 10 16:05:37 hihi Jul 10 16:05:49 any one here? Jul 10 16:10:14 yes Jul 10 16:17:48 why does preware have errors everytime I update it? Jul 10 17:38:21 hey, is it possible to use preware to download app catalog apps? Jul 10 18:18:59 raptaqua: no, Preware can only list them. If you select the install button in Preware it open the app in the appcatalog Jul 10 18:19:08 :L Jul 10 18:19:12 then i need to get it fixed Jul 10 18:19:25 what fixed? Jul 10 18:19:42 i tried few different settings with meta-doctor, but still cant create palm account so i could use app catalog Jul 10 18:19:45 when i put meta dr. skip the first use app so i could setup my APN settings and run it afterwards it only askes language and then reboots and dissapears, doesnt ask anything about palm account Jul 10 18:20:17 and that stupid APN settings wont accept my settings, just says unable to write Jul 10 18:21:24 Sorry, not part I can help you with. Perhaps some other can help Jul 10 18:39:00 hmm why doe Jul 10 18:39:22 why cant i set my own APN settings inside the OS ? Jul 10 18:39:32 i always have to modify the db3 file Jul 10 18:39:36 and now even that doesnt work Jul 10 18:39:53 onlu says unable to write settings? Jul 10 18:39:56 *only Jul 10 19:01:45 root_fs -w? Jul 10 19:02:36 rootfs_open -w i thought was the script Jul 10 19:04:13 whats that? Jul 10 19:06:09 is the new govnah alpha or is it live? Jul 10 19:15:20 is it in the testing feed? Jul 10 19:16:45 i just saw a tweet about it Jul 10 19:17:00 jhoauto Jul 10 19:17:00 Jul 10 19:17:01 With a bit of help from @webosinternals, Govnah v0.5.6 is out and now monitors current! Jul 10 19:17:20 but when i run preware it doesn't show an update so... i was just making sure it was in alpha still Jul 10 19:30:38 anyways, if it's in the testing feed, it's always going to be alpha. so no crying if it acts weird or eats your phone Jul 10 21:18:37 noradtux_: we have applications/navit.git Jul 10 21:40:09 how fn hard can it bet to set apn settings :L Jul 10 21:41:35 raptaqua: on my device, when it can't activate it has a screen for manually setting APN Jul 10 21:41:43 GSM device that is Jul 10 21:41:55 me too but wont accept anything Jul 10 21:42:03 just says that unenable to save settings Jul 10 21:42:36 unable to write settings Jul 10 21:42:52 and nothing happens when i press set up anyway Jul 10 21:43:31 worked just fine yesterday, but then i tried to get the first app run so i could create palm accout so i could use app catalog Jul 10 21:43:43 have you bypassed activation in meta-doctor? Jul 10 21:43:47 ye Jul 10 21:43:51 that's the problem Jul 10 21:44:04 you can't bypass activation and then expect to activate a connection Jul 10 21:45:06 ok, hmm might be that ye Jul 10 21:45:11 building new jar to try it Jul 10 21:45:19 but still i cant run the first app Jul 10 21:45:29 it only asks language and then reboots and dissapears Jul 10 21:45:34 wont let me create account Jul 10 21:45:53 what language are you selecting? Jul 10 21:46:14 english / UK Jul 10 21:46:24 select english/US Jul 10 21:46:33 ok ill try that in a bit Jul 10 21:46:34 or run palm-launch as I said the other day Jul 10 21:46:57 ok ill try those, thx Jul 10 21:47:12 got this phone few days ago Jul 10 21:47:24 great 2nd phone Jul 10 21:47:35 but not htc desire :) Jul 10 21:48:14 thankfully Jul 10 21:50:11 great phone Jul 10 21:50:31 this pre is only 1month old got if for 155£ Jul 10 21:53:38 I love this pixi. great for wirc/txt Jul 10 22:21:02 can anyone help me install preware app to my pixi Jul 10 22:26:03 http://install.preware.org Jul 10 22:31:22 thanks Jul 10 22:40:01 noradtux_: ping Jul 10 22:40:29 :/ I broke my own app.... Jul 10 22:45:58 hmm worked with usa /english so app catalog is okay Jul 10 22:46:02 but 3g isnt working Jul 10 22:46:34 why wont the phone accept my APN settings Jul 10 22:46:48 just whines about unable to write Jul 10 22:58:43 Tman_mac: ping Jul 10 23:00:04 who is Hanspeter Jochmann ? Jul 10 23:14:08 rwhitby: dunno Jul 10 23:17:12 who now? Jul 10 23:18:44 what does the R-symbol mean? Jul 10 23:18:48 right next to signal bars Jul 10 23:18:58 roaming Jul 10 23:19:14 ok Jul 10 23:20:40 is there any other way to edit networksettings.db3 than litesql or that firefox plugin? any other graphical GUI Jul 10 23:21:22 dunno Jul 10 23:26:14 almost all of the problems now solved :L still need to get that APN settings fixed Jul 10 23:31:12 dtzWill: why does unionfs-fuse not use download.mk ? Jul 10 23:32:18 dtzWill: nm, it's actually egaudet who added that package Jul 10 23:51:30 rwhitby: That is me (Hanspeter Jochmann) Jul 10 23:52:29 I chnaged the name in my dev vm. 'notroot' was not the best for the git ,,,, Jul 10 23:53:17 hape: you need to set user.email in gitconfig Jul 10 23:54:01 rwhitby: What do you mean? Jul 10 23:54:33 hape: so that your commit and author attribution is correct Jul 10 23:54:59 instead of notroot@ubuntu.localdomain Jul 10 23:55:33 ohh man Jul 10 23:55:41 i was uploading the file to wrong folder :P Jul 11 00:06:59 rwhitby: thanks for the hint. Done it now Jul 11 00:08:20 hape: note that cross-compile.git is going to change to the 'arch' branch soon Jul 11 00:34:23 ewwww, its oil Jul 11 00:42:24 ew? Jul 11 00:53:19 any known issues with warthog 69 and govnah 5.6? Jul 11 01:15:26 no there are never issues Jul 11 01:15:43 Only new opportunities to solve problems!1 Jul 11 01:16:51 warthog is a developer testbed, not an end-user kernel. therefore there are never issues :) Jul 11 01:17:49 i imagine rwhitby with his fingers in his hears going "la la la - i can't hear you" Jul 11 01:17:56 +rwhitby: Wouldn't that mean there are many issues? just not called that Jul 11 01:18:10 rwhitby: quick question: how does .depends.inc actually get included in each Makefile in WIDK? Jul 11 01:18:32 dunno, ask dtzWill Jul 11 01:18:54 dtzWill: ^^ see above? :p Jul 11 01:20:12 Tman_mac: [ foo == bar ] && ... is no good in a makefile Jul 11 01:20:34 need to use [ foo != bar ] || .... Jul 11 01:20:55 rwhitby: really.. hmm. iirc I copied it from another makefile -_- Jul 11 01:21:15 rwhitby: remind me where this is? Jul 11 01:21:19 a && b will fail if a fails, stopping the makefile Jul 11 01:21:30 right Jul 11 01:21:40 a | b will succeed Jul 11 01:21:46 a || b that is Jul 11 01:21:49 makes sense Jul 11 01:22:43 Tman_mac: with that change, you're good to merge in the arch branch Jul 11 01:22:59 ok cool. what Makefile was this in? Jul 11 01:23:11 I spotted a couple Jul 11 01:23:21 okay.. I'll grep for it Jul 11 01:23:23 packages/dev-gl/glues-demos Jul 11 01:23:29 packages/x/xorg-server Jul 11 01:24:22 ah yes.. I think that was only those two Jul 11 01:24:50 so the question is.. do we want to include staging-armv6 in make stage by default? Jul 11 01:25:16 if it builds, yes Jul 11 01:25:23 for me it does Jul 11 01:25:46 next is i686 then ;) Jul 11 01:26:33 ehe, yeah Jul 11 01:29:33 yes jhopixi, I know it's a test kernel. I had an issue with govnah not recognizing the kernel to be able to make any adjustments when I had govnah 5.6 installed with warthog. I haven't tested with any other kernels yet, just thought I'd process one at a time.. Jul 11 01:30:36 are you sure that the version of warthog you are running is meant to be adjustable? Jul 11 01:35:15 sjsharksfan: why don't you try a different kernel to verify Jul 11 01:37:03 rod, I have the latest version warthog-69 Jul 11 01:37:28 I can test with another kernel too Jul 11 01:40:18 Govnah 0.5.6 and Warthog 69 stopps updating after a few minutes. Are you talking about that? Jul 11 01:41:46 what's your poll rate? Jul 11 01:42:31 Standard 1 second Jul 11 01:45:24 is it repeatable? Jul 11 01:45:32 yes Jul 11 01:45:40 Yes, it just broke again. Jul 11 01:45:40 I removed and reinstalled,same Jul 11 01:46:01 I went back to 5.0 to see if it was my phne Jul 11 01:46:07 all is good again Jul 11 01:46:18 I'm OrR on the forums, btw. Jul 11 01:46:23 is it on the charger or off? Jul 11 01:46:39 do "dbus-util --capture govnah" and post the last 25 lines after it hangs. Jul 11 01:47:04 try uberkernel Jul 11 01:47:06 ort, it was blinking NAN i n the freq feels and I couldn't select other govebors, then after a min, gov stopped recognizing kernel all together Jul 11 01:47:19 off charger Jul 11 01:47:32 Connected to USB charging cable. Jul 11 01:49:02 I will reinstall 5.6 and run through the capture Jul 11 01:49:47 btw, I'm still on 1.4.1.1, no 1.4.5.1 yet Jul 11 01:49:58 shouldn't matter Jul 11 01:50:03 k Jul 11 01:50:29 it should not show nan. Jul 11 01:51:01 that's what I figured.. wasent sure why I got though Jul 11 01:51:36 i'll be back shortly Jul 11 02:01:59 I can't seem to get govnah to fail Jul 11 02:02:52 what kernel? Jul 11 02:04:14 UK of coure Jul 11 02:04:58 So, uh, here is the terminal output of that command you posted: http://s761.photobucket.com/albums/xx252/ortwinr/ Jul 11 02:05:01 o.o Jul 11 02:06:59 really need that from novaterm or ssh Jul 11 02:07:29 Sorry, I'm on Pre only here... Jul 11 02:07:58 ok, if it's repeatable for you, then just post one in the thread later Jul 11 02:08:29 I'll try tomorrow. Jul 11 02:08:29 I'm looking for the last set of returns, and then the set of calls after that that do not have matching returns. Jul 11 02:08:58 rwhitby: I'm bringing in recent commits to master, fixing new packages and conflicts, and I'll do a full make stage tonight to make sure everything's in order, then merge to master Jul 11 02:09:05 ok Jul 11 02:09:34 I'll tweet that it's going to change sometime in the next 24-48 hours Jul 11 02:10:05 cool Jul 11 02:10:41 Have to catch some sleep now, good night! Jul 11 02:13:52 govnah still going strong Jul 11 02:18:43 omg, apps/speechd is a giant hack Jul 11 02:19:49 it downloads and builds espeak inside the Makefile instead of making it a separate package and depending on it Jul 11 02:21:36 yeah, that needs fixing Jul 11 02:24:39 I'm going to fix it so it builds Jul 11 02:24:57 I'm not making any guarantees on pretty though ;) Jul 11 02:25:55 is 65 celcius a bad temp on UK? :P wIRC + charging + 40 degrees celcius = bad temps! Jul 11 02:26:09 Wonder what the thermal shutdown is on pre Jul 11 02:26:18 Can't be too much higher Jul 11 02:26:56 o.o Jul 11 02:27:14 149 farenheit for all you yanks Jul 11 02:27:21 that's no good Jul 11 02:27:28 Didnt shut down though Jul 11 02:27:49 I just reached 58 while testing my game while charging cause I forgot to turn off 800mhz Jul 11 02:28:50 you might be interested in the patch that warns you of high temps.. Jul 11 02:29:00 Thats only batt temps though correct? Jul 11 02:29:19 mm, not sure Jul 11 02:29:47 I saw that one before and I didn't download it. I think cause it wasnt cpu, dont remember though Jul 11 02:30:17 I wish the menu mixes didnt get rid of phone menu batt temps Jul 11 02:38:44 we've had a device up to 70 cpu Jul 11 02:38:54 wouldn't recommend it though :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 11 02:59:57 2010