**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 18 02:59:56 2010
Jul 18 04:30:47 <swisstomcat> morning
Jul 18 04:50:36 <Robi_> morning to you, evening to me
Jul 18 04:56:00 <Robi_> ok which kernel should i try with this Pre manuf in 2010
Jul 18 04:57:25 <rwhitby> manuf date doesn't matter
Jul 18 04:57:46 <Robi_> ok
Jul 18 05:00:20 <Robi_> is there a wiki page for all testing kernels?
Jul 18 05:00:22 <Robi_> jump page
Jul 18 05:00:24 <swisstomcat> uberkernel is the most stable in my opinion
Jul 18 05:01:48 <jhowirc> sr71
Jul 18 05:02:01 <Wolvenhaven> that's a plane
Jul 18 05:02:17 <Robi_> rwhitby: in preware, when entering the feed url, can the http:// be highlighted on first tap so pasting works w/o deleting it all first?
Jul 18 05:02:28 <rwhitby> Robi_: -> oil
Jul 18 05:02:47 * rwhitby knows less about mojo than brighthouse labs
Jul 18 05:02:54 <oil> lol
Jul 18 05:02:59 <Robi_> s/rwhitby/oil
Jul 18 05:03:10 <oil> doesn't it highlight?
Jul 18 05:03:17 <Robi_> no sir.
Jul 18 05:03:24 <Robi_> gotta hold shift to do that
Jul 18 05:04:17 <oil> when i tap on it it selects all :/
Jul 18 05:05:00 <Robi_> why is compcache removed from blackbird?
Jul 18 05:05:45 <rwhitby> it was causing too many TMC errors, and it's sunday.
Jul 18 05:06:51 <Robi_> interesting
Jul 18 05:06:52 <halfhalo> back from mah movie, now time for rails
Jul 18 05:07:13 <rwhitby> Robi_: that's what uNiXpSyChO said in the thread
Jul 18 05:09:07 <Robi_> rwhitby: ok, np. can you explain a weak device? is it a particular series, new/old, pattern?
Jul 18 05:09:28 <rwhitby> it is none of those things.  no pattern.
Jul 18 05:11:04 <Robi_> so its craftsmanship
Jul 18 05:11:32 <Robi_> how well the leakage currents seep
Jul 18 05:12:53 <uNiXpSyChO> huh?
Jul 18 05:12:55 <Robi_> ok found the thread now, sorry I asked all the answered questions rwhitby
Jul 18 05:14:02 <halfhalo> and rwhitby: yeah, im going to try and remake the patches portal in rails.  From what I see just browsing the php source, it fits perfectly within the rails philosophy
Jul 18 05:16:50 <halfhalo> just gotta figure out the best setup for ownership/permissions is
Jul 18 05:32:22 <rwhitby> halfhalo: are you doing this for your own interest?  I'm now aware of anyone requesting it be rewritten.
Jul 18 05:33:05 <halfhalo> doing it because I haven't done anything in rails lately and I like to keep myself challenged.   So, purely for myself
Jul 18 05:33:17 <rwhitby> ok, no worries.  just checking :)
Jul 18 05:34:20 <halfhalo> Plus, I have the basic stuff already done.  Gotta love the scaffold command
Jul 18 05:48:31 <halfhalo> ewww, oil
Jul 18 06:01:09 <halfhalo> weeeellll crap.  misstyped my scaffold
Jul 18 06:02:51 <halfhalo> There needs to be an unscaffold command so I don't have to go and edit all those files and the db
Jul 18 09:23:30 <noradtux> ~seen rwhitby
Jul 18 09:23:31 <infobot> rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (2d 5h 28m 36s) #oe (2d 5h 28m 36s) #meego (2d 5h 28m 36s) #nslu2-linux (2d 5h 28m 36s). Has said a total of 45 messages. Is idling for 3h 50m 14s, last said: 'ok, no worries.  just checking :)'.
Jul 18 09:44:45 <hape> hi noradtux
Jul 18 09:44:52 <noradtux> moin
Jul 18 10:28:33 <noradtux> rwhitby: I think I need some explanation on how your luna-service-stuff works .. i.e. if I really need that g_main_loop
Jul 18 10:33:54 <noradtux> rwhitby: hmm, I guess I will have to rewrite speechd's main-loop to use the glib main-loop
Jul 18 11:36:03 <swisstomcat> rehi
Jul 18 14:37:01 <pip> Guys, best way to extract the rom from the doctor on a windows vista pc?
Jul 18 14:37:13 <swisstomcat> 7zip as i heard
Jul 18 14:40:59 <pip> thanks, will give that a try. Is there any documentation for extracting the doctor rom. My searches on google and webos-internals wiki didn't produce anything useful
Jul 18 14:43:40 <swisstomcat> not sure
Jul 18 18:03:53 <georgo> Hi
Jul 18 18:04:03 <georgo> Is there any posibbility, how to launch Gownah after boot ?
Jul 18 18:04:30 <georgo> I try to add application id to /etc/palm/luna.conf, but it not workins :o/
Jul 18 18:09:31 <pipsmith> Georgo: The app mode switcher might be what you are looking for. Find it in Preware. I haven't used it for a while though so I might be wrong.
Jul 18 18:10:18 <georgo> Mode Switcher .. I tried it before .. But, I afraid about battery consumpiton :/
Jul 18 18:10:25 <georgo> but .. I'll tried it, thanks for tip.
Jul 18 18:10:31 <georgo> * I'll try it ..
Jul 18 18:15:39 <georgo> And also one more question: If I want to create plugin to Save & Restore, who's contact person to include it ?
Jul 18 18:15:56 <georgo> I hope my english is undestandable for you all :)
Jul 18 18:24:38 <Robi_> open preware and look at the maintainer for save/restore
Jul 18 18:25:10 <BeeRad> Launching wIRC and it just says "Waiting for the plugin....." Uhhhh....
Jul 18 18:25:27 <Robi_> uninstall/reinstall
Jul 18 18:25:37 <georgo> BeeRad>> install Emergency Fstab fixed
Jul 18 18:25:49 <georgo> Robi_>> yeah, the easiest way .. Sorry for my dumb :/
Jul 18 18:25:56 <georgo> I always miss the easiest way.
Jul 18 18:26:01 * georgo hitting his self to head.
Jul 18 18:26:42 <BeeRad> I thought that Emergency Fstab was for 1.4.5
Jul 18 18:27:23 <georgo> So, wIRC is for 1.4.5 too ..
Jul 18 18:27:28 <georgo> It's in description i guess.
Jul 18 18:30:17 <BeeRad> Fstab fix isnt for 1.4.1
Jul 18 18:31:00 <georgo> And wIRC is not for 1.4.1 too !
Jul 18 18:31:18 <georgo> Its for >= 1.4.5
Jul 18 18:31:33 <georgo> Em I right?
Jul 18 18:33:23 <BeeRad> I wasnt aware that wIRC was broken for 1.4.1  Its worked fine in the past.
Jul 18 18:33:44 <georgo> BeeRad>> But I think the're release new version for 1.4.5, because of PDK
Jul 18 18:34:07 <BeeRad> Gotcha. Boo.
Jul 18 18:35:06 <georgo> It's big red text in Preware in wIRC details... :)
Jul 18 18:36:52 <BeeRad> You know, I remember that now. haha I loaded it in anticipation for 1.4.5. Just forgot.
Jul 18 18:44:04 <PuffTheMagic> wirc does have is own support channel fyi
Jul 18 18:44:21 <PuffTheMagic> posting in here about wirc issues not going to get you very far
Jul 18 18:47:22 <BeeRad> I was just asking a question, its not that big of a deal. I wasn't even complaining. Relax. Is it forbidden to have small talk in here now? Georgo reminded me of why it wasn't working.
Jul 18 18:55:59 <PuffTheMagic> BeeRad: no its not forbidden, just that everyone comes in here for wirc issues, what do I have to do to get people to go to #wirc
Jul 18 18:56:08 <halfhalo> money
Jul 18 18:56:27 <BeeRad> I....apologize. My bad.
Jul 18 18:56:53 <PuffTheMagic> well is obviously my fault if its not obvious enough
Jul 18 18:57:18 <BeeRad> I should've known better.
Jul 18 18:57:25 <PuffTheMagic> u arent the only one
Jul 18 18:58:14 <halfhalo> what about pie?
Jul 18 18:58:33 <BeeRad> No, but I feel like a noob now. I just forgot that I pre-installed 1.4.5 wIRC with hopes that it was dropping soon. Just a brain fart on my part.
Jul 18 19:01:58 <jhowirc> didn't palm say that they were going to enable data transfer through a touchstone a long time ago?
Jul 18 19:02:05 <PuffTheMagic> haha
Jul 18 19:02:08 <PuffTheMagic> how would that work
Jul 18 19:02:13 <cryptk> that isn't possible
Jul 18 19:02:20 <PuffTheMagic> Use the Force
Jul 18 19:02:27 <jhowirc> heh
Jul 18 19:03:14 <jhowirc> I just remembered reading it somewhere and going that sounds interesting but can find any references now
Jul 18 19:03:28 <PuffTheMagic> sounds like bs someone made up to me
Jul 18 19:03:38 <cryptk> yeah, sounds made up
Jul 18 19:03:55 <cryptk> they could in theory do a wifi data connection, but we can already do that, lol
Jul 18 19:04:12 <cryptk> so just do SSH over wifi and set it on a stone
Jul 18 19:04:34 <jhowirc> googling inductive data transfer results in some patent references... lesee here
Jul 18 19:05:20 <BeeRad> SR71 Update fail (for me). Crap
Jul 18 19:08:41 <jhowirc> was just thinking last night that it would be useful to be able to memboot without wires. since the magnet fell off my pixi batt door.
Jul 18 19:09:24 <jhowirc> what's with palm and bad usb cover design?
Jul 18 19:09:54 <PuffTheMagic> mine hasnt broke yet
Jul 18 19:10:00 <PuffTheMagic> and i use usb all the time
Jul 18 19:10:09 <PuffTheMagic> since it charges faster than the TC
Jul 18 19:10:19 <PuffTheMagic> orig pre
Jul 18 19:10:24 <PuffTheMagic> with orig battery door
Jul 18 19:11:20 <jhowirc> mine finally fell off the sprint pre. unexpectedly too since i m usually very careful with my stuff. I remember it coming off while I was sitting in the car and going.. wth?
Jul 18 19:11:41 <jhowirc> bummed me out majorly.
Jul 18 19:12:03 <jhowirc> and now this pixi door just bothers me.
Jul 18 19:12:50 <BeeRad> I thought the Pixi door was better?
Jul 18 19:13:01 <jhowirc> there's a little magnet in the flap but it's not well glued so it comes right off and stays on the phone
Jul 18 19:13:01 <BeeRad> Does the magnet give out?
Jul 18 19:13:08 <BeeRad> Great.
Jul 18 19:13:11 <BeeRad> Wonderful.
Jul 18 19:13:22 <jhowirc> so you end up with a flap.
Jul 18 19:14:03 <BeeRad> Im going to try and dab superglue there first. Get it before it gets me.
Jul 18 19:14:08 <jhowirc> now i'm pestering the gf to find her stick of superglue so I can fix it.
Jul 18 19:15:18 <BeeRad> I wouldnt get carried away.
Jul 18 19:44:55 <BeeRad> I cant uninstall Blackbird.
Jul 18 19:45:41 <jhowirc> lol
Jul 18 19:45:59 <halfhalo> wow
Jul 18 19:46:00 <jhowirc> doctor
Jul 18 19:46:13 <halfhalo> so much easier to cheat when you admin a tf2 server and can see the logs
Jul 18 19:50:15 <datafirm> if im using a meta-doctor, which castle.xml needs to be edited to add/edit Tokens?
Jul 18 19:50:38 <datafirm> there is one in the doctor folder and the other in the jar.  Im assuming I have to extract the jar
Jul 18 19:53:53 <BeeRad> Thunderchief to Pristine stock Palm to Blackbird went great. Blackbird got an update already...ran the update. No speed, no temps felt like stock kernel again. Went to Preware and it said the update was still there but when I tried to uninstall it: IPKG error. Ran scan/repair, fixed a few missing files. Still cant uninstall.
Jul 18 20:01:58 <pipsmith> What language are the webos-internals patches written in?
Jul 18 20:02:07 <jhowirc> engrish
Jul 18 20:02:33 <georgo> Ehm. Isn't he mean, it's classic diff ?
Jul 18 20:02:39 <Wolvenhaven> binary
Jul 18 20:05:06 <pipsmith> So it's binary ye?
Jul 18 20:10:06 <pipsmith> Can somebody link me to some documentation about creating a .patch file once you have the edited code please? Or how would I go about it?
Jul 18 20:16:39 <cryptk> pipsmith, they are not binary
Jul 18 20:16:57 <cryptk> they are diff files that modify the HTML CSS and Javascript files
Jul 18 20:18:16 <pipsmith> Thought they were diff. If I have now edited my file what is the best way to about creating the .patch file? Is it using the uninfied diff creator or some other way.
Jul 18 20:18:32 <cryptk> unified diff creator
Jul 18 20:21:47 <cryptk> I am loving my new e-cig
Jul 18 20:23:34 <jhowirc> diff -burN
Jul 18 20:31:52 <pipsmith> If I create my file in a code notepad with language set to diff and save it as a .patch, can i just send this to my pre then.
Jul 18 20:42:57 <mikePre> i have a question regarding sqv/restore backup files, I noticed that when I perform a backup of lets say, preware, and then another backup later on, i see 2 zip files, doesnt save/restore only look at latest one? there is no way to choose an older one is there?
Jul 18 21:53:42 <BeeRad> Umm, help. Pre is now in a constant state of rebooting.
Jul 18 21:54:27 <pipsmith> BeeRad: see the thread on precentral
Jul 18 22:24:46 <ka6sox> infobot: ~oil is lol
Jul 18 22:24:47 <infobot> okay, ka6sox
Jul 18 22:24:51 <ka6sox> ~oil
Jul 18 22:24:52 <infobot> it has been said that oil is a viscous flammable substance that PuffTheMagic uses to heat his home.
Jul 18 22:24:58 <oil> lol
Jul 18 22:25:29 <ka6sox> now thats funny :D
Jul 18 22:26:48 <ka6sox> wrong infobot :P
Jul 18 22:26:57 <PuffTheMagic> ka6sox: no
Jul 18 22:27:02 <PuffTheMagic> that is correct actually
Jul 18 22:28:12 <ka6sox> it is technically correct but NOT the answer I was looking for
Jul 18 22:31:45 <oil> ~PuffTheMagic
Jul 18 22:31:47 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, puffthemagic is a dragon, or by the river, or out of puff, or the terminus ENFORCER..  RAAAGGE
Jul 18 22:32:46 <PuffTheMagic> wtf
Jul 18 22:33:12 <torchie> any chance for a bigger font in Terminal in the future :(
Jul 18 22:33:31 <PuffTheMagic> terminus != terminal
Jul 18 22:33:41 <PuffTheMagic> torchie: how useless do you want your terminal to be?
Jul 18 22:33:46 <PuffTheMagic> 10 char wide?
Jul 18 22:33:50 <PuffTheMagic> 7?
Jul 18 22:33:51 <oil> lol
Jul 18 22:33:55 <torchie> 3 characters wide
Jul 18 22:33:58 <torchie> variable width fonts
Jul 18 22:34:03 * PuffTheMagic sets term font to 72
Jul 18 22:34:11 <oil> variable width fonts are fail
Jul 18 22:34:19 <uNiXpSyChO> total fail
Jul 18 22:34:21 <rwhitby> morning
Jul 18 22:34:41 <torchie> wingdings
Jul 18 22:34:44 <oil> hey
Jul 18 22:34:50 <torchie> I want the terminal default font to be wingdings 72pt
Jul 18 22:34:53 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: how many kills does sr71 have overnight?  they've put up a nice poll for us to be able to count them apparently.
Jul 18 22:35:11 <uNiXpSyChO> its a massacre
Jul 18 22:35:40 * oil test pre runs it fine
Jul 18 22:35:49 <oil> well, it did for about 3 mins while i tested govnah
Jul 18 22:36:04 <oil> then i got rid of it
Jul 18 22:36:57 <rwhitby> I liked this one: "Further, I would refute the 'Weak Pre' designation. Far too many variables to lay blame on the device. (Patch conflicts, conflicting programs/software, so on)"
Jul 18 22:37:39 <ka6sox> kills...pretty good for a reconnaissance plane.
Jul 18 22:38:04 <uNiXpSyChO> but it killed alot of pilots
Jul 18 22:38:20 <ka6sox> true
Jul 18 22:38:48 <halfhalo> what now?  who died?
Jul 18 22:39:10 <oil> lusers?
Jul 18 22:39:11 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: what's new in -81?
Jul 18 22:39:18 <halfhalo> good
Jul 18 22:39:35 <uNiXpSyChO> higher voltages
Jul 18 22:39:54 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: love how the memboot technique is getting a showing too:)
Jul 18 22:40:12 <uNiXpSyChO> is it?  I missed that.  or was that my post?
Jul 18 22:41:00 * uNiXpSyChO takes out the F4 Phantom loaded with naplam for the SR71 thread...
Jul 18 22:41:09 <rwhitby> your post, and lots of first-timers trying to use it to recover
Jul 18 22:41:24 <rwhitby> I bet they're all using windows and saying "/opt?"
Jul 18 22:42:57 <uNiXpSyChO> oh yeah...  i just read that post
Jul 18 22:43:46 <uNiXpSyChO> oh boy...  the thread is turning into jungle warfare
Jul 18 23:08:32 <oil> what thread?
Jul 18 23:15:55 <halfhalo> why is it that I always forget how to upload files using rails....
Jul 18 23:17:26 <oil> because its not part of the "super easy 5 min blog" code?
Jul 18 23:17:38 <halfhalo> super easy is 15 minutes
Jul 18 23:17:48 <oil> whatever xD
Jul 18 23:17:53 <halfhalo> its hard to type all that within 5 minutes
Jul 18 23:20:57 <halfhalo> models, models, models everywhere!
Jul 18 23:22:54 <halfhalo> makes it sooo much easier to change stuff
Jul 18 23:24:21 <halfhalo> And plus, inheritance is supernice
Jul 18 23:53:02 <KnoxBNYC> hey guys....
Jul 18 23:53:20 <KnoxBNYC> can anybody help?  I got a bricked phone after isntalling a kernel.
Jul 18 23:53:38 <KnoxBNYC> tried holding up volume down while inserting battery, but not going into that mode for me.
Jul 18 23:53:40 <KnoxBNYC> any ideas?
Jul 18 23:53:52 <rwhitby> recovery page on wiki
Jul 18 23:53:59 <KnoxBNYC> lemme check that.
Jul 18 23:54:03 <KnoxBNYC> thanks rod.
Jul 18 23:56:31 <KnoxBNYC> got it
Jul 18 23:57:25 <KnoxBNYC> duh. i was missing one step. thanks rod.
Jul 18 23:57:33 <rwhitby> np
Jul 19 00:00:01 <cryptk|wirc> rwhitby: is the git back up?
Jul 19 00:00:30 <cryptk|wirc> I am setting up a new dev box and I wanna put the widk on it
Jul 19 00:01:04 <KnoxBNYC> someone else was telling me that the phone didn't have to be connected via usb to get into that mode.   but, in my case anyway, i would ONLY go into that mode while already connected.
Jul 19 00:02:01 <KnoxBNYC> since you're here....what's the most common cause for Preware not showing apps/patches that are installed?
Jul 19 00:02:44 <cryptk|wirc> KnoxBNYC: how many?
Jul 19 00:03:16 <cryptk|wirc> you can try emergency reconstruction utility
Jul 19 00:04:37 <rwhitby> cryptk|wirc: yep. git has been up for a while.
Jul 19 00:05:42 <rwhitby> KnoxBNYC: usually it's due to people running WebOS Quick Install while there is an app catalog background installation in process, and WebOS Quick Install does not have the interlock safety failsafe that Preware has for this situation.
Jul 19 00:06:37 <rwhitby> The ERU fixes it for you.  We love fixing problems that others create.
Jul 19 00:07:39 <cryptk|wirc> rwhitby: animosity between WOSI and jason?
Jul 19 00:13:07 <rwhitby> Never.  We're great mates.  He just needs to fix his tool.  Software and people are not the same thing.
Jul 19 00:14:34 <KnoxBNYC> hmmm....  i thought i had him run ERU.  Will check again.
Jul 19 00:22:23 <KnoxBNYC> Rod, is it you writing Save/Restore?
Jul 19 00:32:23 <rwhitby> yes
Jul 19 00:32:33 <rwhitby> plus many people contributing scripts now
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