**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 22 02:59:56 2010 Jul 22 03:05:54 no lie Jul 22 03:10:16 * halfhalo is playing with grit Jul 22 03:13:27 hmm? Jul 22 03:13:34 pie Jul 22 03:13:55 well had a jhojho seen Jul 22 03:14:19 he wanted to know if you wanted some pie Jul 22 03:14:30 re geist Jul 22 03:14:37 mmm pie Jul 22 03:14:43 sorry no pie Jul 22 03:15:16 but have question re cpuclock.c. hold on. let me switch computers Jul 22 03:15:32 FAIL Jul 22 03:16:23 pfft Jul 22 03:18:22 somebody needs to shoot the writer of cpufreq.c.... Jul 22 03:18:35 * halfhalo grabs a gun Jul 22 03:18:45 burying the main policy setting function in the middle of sysfs I/O is insane. Jul 22 04:48:25 ~seen rwhitby Jul 22 04:48:26 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (15h 22m 22s) #oe (15h 22m 22s) #meego (15h 22m 22s) #nslu2-linux (15h 22m 22s). Has said a total of 11 messages. Is idling for 2h 46m 38s, last said: 'why?'. Jul 22 04:48:38 hi noradtux_wirc Jul 22 04:48:51 rwhitby: morning :-) Jul 22 04:50:39 rwhitby: I modified the speechd package yesterday. I noticed that APPINFO_CHANGELOG variable there. What is it's purpose? Jul 22 04:51:54 noradtux_wirc: it is the items that are displayed when you click on the speechd icon in the launcher Jul 22 04:54:02 ah, I see :D Jul 22 04:55:12 what about generating CHANGELOG from the appinfo-var? Jul 22 04:57:26 morning Jul 22 04:57:43 noradtux_wirc: if you have an easy way in Makefile to do that, yes Jul 22 04:59:06 rwhitby: ok, I will think about it Jul 22 04:59:24 sorry for my connection issues :( Jul 22 04:59:56 * rwhitby turns off parts and joins and never notices :) Jul 22 05:00:07 tsktsktsk Jul 22 05:00:39 they're about as useful and the client identifier in twitter Jul 22 05:00:43 s/and/as/ Jul 22 05:00:44 rwhitby meant: they're about as useful as the client identifier in twitter Jul 22 05:02:45 doh Jul 22 05:23:59 rwhitby: Almost done fully recovering everything, do I restore UberKernel data in Save/Restore or leave it fresh? Jul 22 05:34:49 leave it fresh Jul 22 05:38:11 rwhitby: ok, np. Jul 22 05:48:19 rwhitby: and you'll need /var/log/messages if I experience the charging issues right? Jul 22 05:48:40 yep Jul 22 06:07:01 moin Jul 22 06:41:49 wow the droid x has a pretty nice camera http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/reviews/2010/07/ars-reviews-the-motorola-droid-x.ars/ Jul 22 06:45:59 jhojho: talking about the Sony Xperia, What about the camera? At 8.1 megapixels, the X10 represents just about the highest-res cam you can find on an Android phone today. Jul 22 06:46:09 http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/22/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-review/ Jul 22 06:49:26 the whole eFuse thing with the droid x really turned me off Jul 22 06:49:44 can't get into android lol Jul 22 06:49:54 although i'd do anything to have google sky map on my pre Jul 22 06:50:02 that app alone would maybe cause me to switch Jul 22 06:50:18 but i'm not a big android fan save for that Jul 22 06:50:50 I'll stick with my pre. It seems ancient compared to those but is actually still teh best phone even if only for webOS Jul 22 06:51:14 agreed Jul 22 06:51:23 but i'll admit i've been sniffing around at other devices lately Jul 22 06:51:34 i'm eligible for upgrade in sept Jul 22 06:51:52 hopefully we'll have some sort of palm hw announcement by then Jul 22 06:56:10 I'll probably move to an EVO when 4G is made available Jul 22 06:56:15 in the San Francisco area Jul 22 06:59:03 i used my friend's evo the other day Jul 22 06:59:08 seemed kind of laggy tbh Jul 22 06:59:16 UI wise i mean Jul 22 06:59:22 no 4G here yet either Jul 22 06:59:31 ...but you have to pay for it anyway Jul 22 07:41:46 twixt: the thing seemed pretty decent minus it being Android Jul 22 07:42:18 turning off dev mode on my phone to see if help with that Luna memory leak or something like that Jul 22 07:45:55 okay testers needed Jul 22 08:15:42 preware 1.2.4 is in the testing feed Jul 22 08:54:08 * appamaway is away: Gone away for now Jul 22 08:56:18 * appamajig is back. Jul 22 08:56:45 that's gonna get annoying ... Jul 22 08:57:43 bhuey: all devmode does is run the novacomd process. I don't believe it leaks memory. Jul 22 09:02:46 Hi Jul 22 09:03:58 I am actually trying to recover my Palm Pre and I would like to ask some questions about some corner cases :) Jul 22 09:04:49 kawas: recover from what? Jul 22 09:06:14 rwhitby: after trying to connect my Pre to a Hifi stereo device compatible with usb key, my pre fail to restart Jul 22 09:06:28 * appamaway is away: Gone away for now Jul 22 09:07:08 rwhitby: my only way to stop the phone is to pull out the battery, so I have used webOsDoctor Jul 22 09:08:47 rwhitby: evething is doing fine in doctor but on reboot I'am still stuck on Palm logo (not glowing). My question is : Do I need to use the last resort emergency bootloader recovery ? Jul 22 09:19:26 Sorry I'm on UTC+1 maybe you're all sleeping rigth now. I'll continue reading the log I recorded of webDoctor's run even if it's a success at the end, and read more about bootloader recovery. See you then Jul 22 09:20:25 kawas: you can try the memboot variant, also... i did that successfully yesterday Jul 22 09:20:41 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Memboot Jul 22 09:21:03 thx I'll read that too Jul 22 09:21:30 its very neat... you simply boot a idfferent kernel via usb, similair to what webos doctor does Jul 22 09:21:37 but without overwriting everything Jul 22 09:21:48 * appamajig is back. Jul 22 09:22:02 but hmm. when you already DID doctor, it shouldnt be needed Jul 22 09:22:29 what exactly did you mean - you did connect a usb device to the pre in host mode? Jul 22 09:22:32 DThought: As I ran already Doctor should not changed anything, no ? Jul 22 09:23:31 kawas: sorry? the doctor should have put all packages, kernel etc. into the default state... Jul 22 09:23:41 DThought: Hifi stereo doing FM radio, read CDs, and has option to read SD Card and USB keys Jul 22 09:24:01 kawas: where did you connect it to? usb port or audio jack? Jul 22 09:24:10 DThought: usb port Jul 22 09:24:13 ah! Jul 22 09:24:18 DThought: :) Jul 22 09:24:21 but you used the palm als usb-device Jul 22 09:24:27 palm-memory-stick Jul 22 09:24:28 =? Jul 22 09:24:44 DThought: palm pre as usb device Jul 22 09:26:11 no understood. that should do no harm in first instance... Jul 22 09:26:22 no=>now Jul 22 09:26:31 DThought: but the Hifi stereo after scanning was not able to play a single mp3 found on the Pre so I pull off my usb cable, the Pre try to reboot : Palm was glowing but taking a long time, I pull out the battery and now I'm stuck on Palm logo not glowing :/ Jul 22 09:26:48 I thought so too Jul 22 09:28:22 kawas: for me it sounds like file system corruption, which can't be handled by the automatic fsck Jul 22 09:29:09 and the pity is, webosdoctor won't touch the /media/internal partition... Jul 22 09:29:20 so when it hangs somewhere on mounting there... Jul 22 09:29:37 after doctoring it is not glowing at all? did you have dev mode enabled? Jul 22 09:29:51 DThought: no not glowing Jul 22 09:30:04 DThought: no dev mode Jul 22 09:31:08 DThought: just to be sure dev mode is something you set when webOS is up and runing ? so no I did not activate it Jul 22 09:31:13 i'll be back in 30min Jul 22 09:31:21 DThought: ok Jul 22 09:49:35 [11:26] DThought: but the Hifi stereo after scanning was not able to play a single mp3 found on the Pre so I pull off my usb cable, the Pre try to reboot : Palm was glowing but taking a long time, I pull out the battery and now I'm stuck on Palm logo not glowing :/ <- i had the same problem a few weeks ago Jul 22 09:50:53 morning Jul 22 09:50:55 tried all known ways to recover... no luck Jul 22 09:51:01 morning swisstomcat Jul 22 09:53:02 hucksy: so what have you done at the end? Jul 22 09:55:07 i gave it back Jul 22 09:55:15 should be back in 1-2 weeks Jul 22 09:56:36 hucksy: ok, sad but it happens :) I'll wait DThought if he has futher intel, but I see no way to fsck from bootie :/ Jul 22 09:57:34 i dont think that a corrupt filesystem on /media/internal does that Jul 22 09:58:04 webos is not even loading the initial kernel i think Jul 22 09:58:17 hucksy: could be hardware stuff ? Jul 22 09:58:58 kawas: yes, dev mode would be in webos itself... Jul 22 09:59:03 yeah, maybe the /boot partition or equal, dont think this is a software problem because doctor was successful (in my case) Jul 22 09:59:39 /boot should not be touched by usb device... Jul 22 10:00:26 i dont think it has nothing to do with the usb device, otherwise webos should do *something* Jul 22 10:00:40 aeh i think at has nothing to do with... Jul 22 10:00:53 ;) Jul 22 10:02:16 what pre is doing when palm logo is showing and when palm logo is glowing ? Jul 22 10:02:40 booting up or shutting down Jul 22 10:03:03 what the difference in the boot process between those two states ? Jul 22 10:03:25 the end result is different :) Jul 22 10:03:33 i don't know honestly Jul 22 10:03:40 balrog-k1n : :) Jul 22 10:04:49 kawas: pre is a linux dev... so the logo glowing should be somewhere after the initial kernel has been loaded... and first init scripts have been worked through Jul 22 10:05:01 the question is - is mounting FS before or after glowing Jul 22 10:05:20 i suspect before glowing, as there are patches to change the logo ... Jul 22 10:05:34 hmm Jul 22 10:06:02 DThought: ok so bootloader recovery is only useful when you dont even have a Palm logo when booting ? Jul 22 10:06:28 kawas: that first palm logo is somewhere on /boot Jul 22 10:06:46 i did install SR71 yesterday - DONT DO THAT - it did not boot at all Jul 22 10:07:01 so bootie sets the first palm logo, i think Jul 22 10:07:06 but glowing must be kernel Jul 22 10:08:32 my kernel should be fine because I ran Doctor, so as you suggest it could be a filesystem problem, strange webos is not doing itself a fsck when mount fail Jul 22 10:10:40 maybe you did interrupt the fsck with your battery pull Jul 22 10:11:08 yeap could be, at that time Palm was glowing :) Jul 22 10:11:20 why should webos not but without /media/internal? Jul 22 10:11:25 but=boot Jul 22 10:12:39 hucksy: it just is a suggestion... Jul 22 10:12:52 k Jul 22 10:13:03 it would be great to have an uboot Image, which enables linux kernel with early usb-console access or such... Jul 22 10:13:19 kernel image with initramdisk or such i meant Jul 22 10:13:20 yreah right Jul 22 10:13:27 *yeah Jul 22 10:14:21 okay... Jul 22 10:14:37 anyway thank you all guys, I will not dig further. Next week I'll be back from holidays and hand over my device to tech assistance :) Jul 22 10:16:14 hope I'll get my loving Pre soon, till then life goes on : sun, swimming pool, no phone :D Jul 22 10:17:02 enjoy all, thank you for your help Jul 22 10:18:12 okay Jul 22 10:18:23 the init script vor media internal does: Jul 22 10:18:39 mount it Jul 22 10:18:46 if that fails, fsck it Jul 22 10:18:50 if htat fails, format it Jul 22 10:19:29 ah Jul 22 10:19:32 ok Jul 22 10:19:37 format it.. phew Jul 22 10:19:45 didnt know that Jul 22 10:21:42 yeah... the only thing it can do to ensure the device comes back up again Jul 22 10:21:55 (which means everything on cryptofs is bogus afterwards) Jul 22 10:22:27 save & restore needs a uploadfunction soon *g* Jul 22 10:31:59 http://www.sqlite.org/wal.html Jul 22 10:34:54 ~seen lemketron Jul 22 10:34:54 lemketron is currently on #webos-internals (5d 12h 49m 54s), last said: 'the emulator's ssh port is on localhost, mapped to port 5522.'. Jul 22 10:38:09 DThought: meta-doctor memboot is exactly such an initramfs kernel. Jul 22 10:38:24 then meta-doctor mount allows for starting the LVM and mounting the partitions Jul 22 10:38:33 rwhitby: ah, thanks for the info Jul 22 10:39:04 hey rwhitby .. installing preware 1.2.4 .. does it include the german translation updates? Jul 22 10:39:10 yes Jul 22 10:39:26 cool Jul 22 10:42:05 yup, works Jul 22 11:19:45 ~seen sbromwich Jul 22 11:19:47 sbromwich is currently on #webos-internals (4d 24m 57s), last said: 'ahhh, rebooting got it to make noise again'. Jul 22 11:23:28 rwhitby: just woke up and saw my battery at 66% instead of 100% Jul 22 11:24:27 rwhitby: email the messages file? Jul 22 13:28:22 jhojho: are you looking for me? Jul 22 15:55:55 anyone else here going to Defcon? Jul 22 15:57:53 dont think so Jul 22 15:59:16 nope Jul 22 16:20:28 http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html time to implement this in webos :D Jul 22 17:22:40 en0x: webos already uses upstart Jul 22 17:23:51 I mean -- it looks like systemd's a different approach but the big performance gains in startup time and job control have already been realized by using upstart Jul 22 18:13:40 hello Jul 22 18:14:02 My location services no longer shows the Google Anonymous TOS feature. Jul 22 18:14:09 Anyone seen this? Jul 22 18:15:57 nvm looks like it was moved into the preferences menu Jul 22 18:16:36 an artifact of me skipping the first use/activation likely. Jul 22 18:41:38 rwhitby: the preware bootstrap doesn't set up Preware's file associations. Working as designed? Jul 22 19:31:26 rehi Jul 22 19:55:56 hi Jul 22 19:56:15 hi Jul 22 19:56:42 hi Jul 22 19:56:51 what's up? Jul 22 20:41:08 solution to overclocking the pixi found..... Jul 22 20:41:25 replaceing it with a pre, right? Jul 22 20:41:40 all you have to do is install sr71 on the pixi and uninstall govnah Jul 22 20:41:52 so sez a chap in precentral Jul 22 20:42:07 he lies Jul 22 20:42:54 it's precentral it must be true Jul 22 21:37:29 hello WebOS Internals Jul 22 21:38:14 no se ingles Jul 22 21:46:41 rwhitby: I'll be back in a few hours, but also noticed a weird issue with Preware after doctoring and then restoring last night. Govnah and Save/Restore show new versions and Preware updates them but they remain their older version, 0.5.0 Govnah installed, seeing 0.5.6. Save/Restore 0.9.3 installed, can see 0.9.9. Jul 22 21:49:44 rwhitby: I suppose it's something with testing feeds. They don't exist in my Preware settings, but I guess the updated data from when I last updated to doctor, is still there for testing feeds. Jul 22 23:20:20 can you force wirc to disconnect and stop trying? Jul 22 23:23:30 wirc has consumed all my battery Jul 22 23:23:34 fffffffffffffff. Jul 22 23:23:59 my patch doesn't work for mah new thingig Jul 22 23:24:40 chrisa|w, not 0.2.4 Jul 22 23:24:47 its like the energizer bunny Jul 22 23:25:02 hmm term kill maybe Jul 22 23:25:32 I blame oil Jul 22 23:27:12 even though I fergot to add my new view to the menu, I still blame you oil Jul 22 23:46:28 fffffffff Jul 22 23:46:46 one bug still left in wirc Jul 22 23:48:04 maybe... or it may be a fix I broke with my patch attempt Jul 22 23:54:18 new view? Jul 22 23:54:31 yeah. Jul 22 23:54:58 and a change to an existing Jul 22 23:55:44 can wirc do raw commands? Jul 22 23:56:55 i believe so Jul 22 23:57:28 * oil is interested in what halfhalo is adding to wirc Jul 22 23:57:48 you would, wouldn't you... Jul 22 23:58:04 very much so :) Jul 22 23:58:53 oil: Preware 1.2.4. public release? Jul 22 23:59:08 has anyone reported any problems? Jul 23 00:00:18 oil: tell me how to use raw and I'll tell you what I'm doing Jul 23 00:00:39 * oil opens gitweb and looks for an example Jul 23 00:01:02 I tried that... borders wifi sucks Jul 23 00:01:24 plugin.send_raw()? Jul 23 00:01:46 no, I meant from inside theclient Jul 23 00:02:34 rwhitby: did the messages file help at all?or you need more tests? Jul 23 00:02:36 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=blob;f=app/models/server.js;h=435d3eda05ebce1edb2f4fd36759fee2fd8ad00b;hb=HEAD#l318 Jul 23 00:02:46 or you mean, like "/raw" or something? Jul 23 00:02:54 yeah Jul 23 00:03:09 oh god religious nut in borders Jul 23 00:03:23 right before line 317's case 'quote': Jul 23 00:03:26 put case 'raw': Jul 23 00:03:28 whala Jul 23 00:03:39 ... Jul 23 00:04:00 how does that help me at this moment trying to test something Jul 23 00:04:20 * oil thought you were building from source? Jul 23 00:04:41 I am. just wanted to test something at borders Jul 23 00:04:46 oh Jul 23 00:05:04 well, /quote seems to just send_raw Jul 23 00:05:42 Kyumobile: no time to look at it yet Jul 23 00:06:23 Kyumobile: ipkg file associations not done yet, and it would hang when removing them which cause Preware to fail to update correctly. Jul 23 00:06:42 Kyumobile: so we need to work out how to do that safely before incorporating it in a release Jul 23 00:07:03 Kyumobile: and add the testing feed to sort out your weird versions Jul 23 00:07:30 ok... forgot how to change irssi windows... and religious nut is being more nutty Jul 23 00:10:44 rwhitby: I see. That file association I had before the doctoring must have been in a few versions back and then removed in later builds. Jul 23 00:11:17 it was in one version for a couple of hours :) Jul 23 00:13:07 rwhitby: I guess I was one of the lucky ones. Worked ok for regular mojo installs in my experience Jul 23 00:14:03 Ok, who wants me to make the SR71+Pixi video? Jul 23 00:14:06 hehe Jul 23 00:14:27 I dont know why everyone is giving him flak Jul 23 00:14:37 sr71 + pixi works just fine for me Jul 23 00:14:44 and it *is* faster than the pre Jul 23 00:15:06 oil: adding away support. or attempting to Jul 23 00:16:13 jhojho: lol Jul 23 00:16:18 hmm... issue... double info messages... Jul 23 00:22:34 * oil thought it already had it? Jul 23 00:22:39 I blame oil. Jul 23 00:22:56 away support that is Jul 23 00:23:08 where? Jul 23 00:23:25 in channels appmenu? Jul 23 00:23:46 there is /away and /back too i think? Jul 23 00:24:11 or just /away, and it does both Jul 23 00:24:22 oh, lol, I was going the other way and adding a time as well Jul 23 00:24:55 and my bugfix needs a bugfix Jul 23 00:26:19 easy fix tho. Jul 23 00:31:50 srsly... I go to buy a book for my kindle and somone already got it... Jul 23 01:34:23 Tman: i blame you Jul 23 01:44:43 hola everyone Jul 23 01:46:19 yo Jul 23 01:46:41 my roomate is gettin ready to turn on my computer for me so I can do some work on the ventrilo stuff Jul 23 01:46:50 I am on a buisness trip but I can SSH into it Jul 23 01:48:00 heh, that's dedication Jul 23 01:49:06 but I need to get with rwhitby to be able to put some of this stuff into the widk (never done that before) Jul 23 01:50:00 I can get libventrilo3 to compile for armv7 which should really open up the possibilities, and I have some C code that will connect to a server, join a channel and broadcast an MP3 Jul 23 01:50:20 cryptk: what'dja need it in the widk for? Jul 23 01:51:09 well, I wanted to get libventrilo in there maybe so that other people can work with it Jul 23 01:51:26 the library is fully featured and allows everything a ventrilo client could ever need Jul 23 01:51:35 oh ok Jul 23 01:51:40 i don't think it would take too much Jul 23 01:51:58 and my C coding is very bad so I was kind of hoping someone would help me out with it Jul 23 01:52:36 Robi_: dedication is the fact that I have a Mint install on a 16GB compact flash card so that I can boot my work laptop into Linux Jul 23 01:52:36 lool Jul 23 01:54:23 and I also have an Ubuntu VM in the Windows install on the laptop so I can use linux even when booted into windows, lol... now that is dedication, two different ways to get to linux Jul 23 02:16:27 cryptk: I was more referring to you marionetting your roomate for the purpose Jul 23 02:18:27 hahaha Jul 23 02:21:48 packing for mah vacay Jul 23 02:44:47 no, i'm saying we SHOULD get him in here Jul 23 02:44:57 I'll ban him. Jul 23 02:45:03 lulz Jul 23 02:52:25 who's banning who? Jul 23 02:52:42 we're gonna ban steve jobs Jul 23 02:52:49 gotta find his IP first. Jul 23 02:52:51 WAYYYY ahead of ya Jul 23 02:53:00 haha Jul 23 02:57:37 i'm not really sure how to respond to that? Jul 23 02:57:38 wtf Jul 23 02:58:30 super placebo Jul 23 02:59:03 h Jul 23 02:59:17 i need a pamtgtfy.com Jul 23 02:59:20 Almost fully packed… but lappytop is put away for now, which means no more dev stuff Jul 23 02:59:22 lusers HATE lmgtfy ;-) Jul 23 02:59:26 please allow me to google that for you Jul 23 02:59:40 uNiXpSyChO: BOFH's love it Jul 23 02:59:42 the do it Jul 23 02:59:49 hehe **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 23 02:59:56 2010