**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 24 02:59:57 2010 Jul 24 03:00:39 problemsolver: is the phone in dev mode? Jul 24 03:01:09 yeah. Could it be a novacom problem? Don't know if I have that/. Jul 24 03:01:37 yes, that could cause that Jul 24 03:01:46 what instructions are you using? Jul 24 03:02:10 They are from the Preware site. Got it off google. Jul 24 03:02:39 How can I get novacom? Is there a site I should go to? Jul 24 03:03:07 what method are you installing with Jul 24 03:03:13 and what is giving you that error? Jul 24 03:04:27 though webos quick install. When it tries to connect with my device after pressing install, it gives me the error Jul 24 03:05:51 in quick install do the novacom reinstall Jul 24 03:06:13 under file>options Jul 24 03:06:46 fantastic. I'll try it. Thank you cryptk Jul 24 03:08:25 so, I have libventrilo compiling now, but I need to fix GSM otherwise it is useless Jul 24 03:09:30 we will have a short intermission soon as we apply some good mojo to the MySQL server and hopefully make it work better. Jul 24 03:09:49 IE making it not suck? Jul 24 03:09:51 (or at least not crash) Jul 24 03:11:59 eh, crashing is fine Jul 24 03:22:39 rebooting the mysql server... Jul 24 03:25:12 * halfhalo watches as it crashes and burns Jul 24 03:26:51 * ka6sox-work hears elevator music as the server fsck's Jul 24 03:26:58 * halfhalo grabs a stick and marshmellows Jul 24 03:27:07 * halfhalo hands one to ka6sox-work Jul 24 03:30:08 its only 50GB...you would think it wouldnt' take so long Jul 24 03:30:26 ssd ftw Jul 24 03:30:42 now the 1.45TB partition...that takes some time. Jul 24 03:30:58 ALOT of ssds would solve that Jul 24 03:32:24 I think that the RAID6 performance is over 200MB/sec Jul 24 03:32:26 or moer Jul 24 03:32:29 moar Jul 24 03:32:35 read or write Jul 24 03:32:46 since my ssd is faster at read, and close to that at write Jul 24 03:33:20 Although nothing tops a ramdisk for a vm Jul 24 03:33:48 Its fast….. like really fast Jul 24 03:34:53 That hyperscolling thing on logitech mice is weird Jul 24 03:49:41 halfhalo: donations welcome for 1.4TB of RAID6 SSDs ... Jul 24 03:50:45 heh, im not THAT rich…. but as an alternative the new Seagate drives would help with read alot methinks Jul 24 03:51:17 I get my stuff for free! Jul 24 03:54:40 Basically a Notebook HD with a 4-6GB ssd read buffer **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 24 03:55:38 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 24 05:02:15 2010 Jul 24 05:02:37 rwhitby: does sb2 automatically handle the library path? or do I need to specify it? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 24 05:02:42 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 24 05:48:15 2010 Jul 24 05:59:49 lol two away messages in ten minutes and I get kicked... buncha winers Jul 24 05:59:52 *whiners Jul 24 06:00:15 appamajig, it was a LOT more than that...for hours Jul 24 06:00:17 actually it was constant Jul 24 06:00:23 you need to turn that off Jul 24 06:00:33 and we constantly asked you to turn it off Jul 24 06:00:36 and you ignored it Jul 24 06:01:36 was it? I scrolled up a bit and only saw it happen twice in ten minutes (in the previous hour before those two) Jul 24 06:01:51 anyways, sorry I bugged you guys... I didn't ignore you on purpose, and now it's turned off Jul 24 06:03:01 mucho appreciated Jul 24 06:03:21 thanks Jul 24 06:03:58 kill -9 hpet clocksource :P Jul 24 06:05:21 ok, lets see if this works... Jul 24 06:05:32 with any luck this patch file will give us a libgsm.so Jul 24 06:33:04 rwhitby: ping Jul 24 06:33:45 gu Jul 24 06:34:15 so, I made a patch for the libgsm makefile, now it makes a shared library as well... the only problem is for some reason make stage isn't running it Jul 24 06:34:41 if I go into the packages/media/gsm/build/src folder and run make then it does generate the .so Jul 24 06:34:54 but the arm folders don't have it in there automatically Jul 24 06:35:58 wait, I see the problem... it is my fault... Jul 24 06:36:58 I accidentally patched the Makefile AFTER it was copied to the arm folders, lol Jul 24 06:37:43 wait... no I didn't... Jul 24 06:59:04 ok, rwhitby I was wrong about being wrong... Jul 24 07:00:04 I created a patch file to modify the Makefile for libgsm after it is extracted into the src directory but before it is copied to the arm folders Jul 24 07:00:23 the patch is applying before compilation but it isn't creating the new target Jul 24 07:00:45 if I go into any of the folders (the arm or src folders) and do make then it does Jul 24 07:04:05 any ideas? Jul 24 07:10:32 http://webos.pastebin.com/F6B3w2Bq Jul 24 07:10:43 that is the Makefile that I modified to have it apply the patch Jul 24 07:10:59 line 17 is the one I added Jul 24 07:11:10 * ka6sox-work is always amazed at self-modifying code. Jul 24 07:11:54 the Makefile does get patched properly, just the new targets aren't run Jul 24 07:23:22 headed home... Jul 24 08:03:09 I think I may have it figured out Jul 24 08:06:28 kewl Jul 24 08:07:19 had to add some more stuff to the diff file Jul 24 08:09:03 WEWT! Jul 24 08:10:07 it made the shared libraries this time Jul 24 08:14:05 excellent Jul 24 08:14:19 but it didn't properly copy them into the staging folder Jul 24 08:25:46 hiya Jul 24 08:29:04 hiya Jul 24 08:39:42 first of all: thank you for all your hard work around WebOS. Without you guys, I probably already had jumped ship to Android, though this definitely being the better OS. Jul 24 08:40:29 And before I start my tirade: is this the right channel for UK discussion? I didn't see it mentioned in the wiki, if a special place exists for this Jul 24 08:40:41 exists Jul 24 08:40:58 THL: compliments are welcome, tirades not so much :) Jul 24 08:41:31 ok, then let's call 'em experiences/bug reports? Jul 24 08:41:34 ;) Jul 24 08:41:56 sure Jul 24 08:42:39 Ok, woke up this morning and was stoked, that 1.4.5 UK is now in the stable feed. Jul 24 08:42:55 So I updated preware, updated govnah and then wanted to install UK. Jul 24 08:43:31 After installation preware just gave me a "Kernel updated" notification box with "Ok" and "Show log" as option. Log was empty. Jul 24 08:43:54 Me, irritated, rebooted the phone manually only to find out, that I couldn't change jack in Govnah Jul 24 08:44:19 Looking into Preware, UK wasn't installed, so I installed it again... with the same results. Jul 24 08:44:53 what is the version number in the detailed view of the kernel package description in Preware? Jul 24 08:44:53 Third time around, it gave me the "Phone needs to be restarted" message, but locked itself up totally, resulting me in pulling the battery in order to get it rebooted. Jul 24 08:44:59 Uk is however still not installed Jul 24 08:45:13 just a sec... i'll look Jul 24 08:46:54 1.4.5-74, shows up as installes in Preware ATM, but Govnah refuses to let me change anything and Temperature is still giving me N/A. Jul 24 08:47:07 So I suspect it's not intalled (correctly) at the moment Jul 24 08:47:22 And sorry for the typos Jul 24 08:47:22 something's very weird with your device. Jul 24 08:47:29 I'm on a caffeine high at the moment :) Jul 24 08:47:39 have you had any problems with anything else on your device recently? Jul 24 08:47:58 Well, then it started to get weird with 1.4.5 OTA update, because I rocked UK before that Jul 24 08:48:29 ok, what host computer can you connect your device to? Jul 24 08:49:38 Nope, everything stable and working, apps, patches... I did have to run Emergency Reconstruction Utility about two weeks ago Jul 24 08:49:48 I can connect it to this machine Jul 24 08:49:59 what OS is that machine running Jul 24 08:50:07 WinXP SP3 Jul 24 08:51:01 Do you have the Palm SDK installed and are you able to use novaterm to connect to the device? Jul 24 08:51:09 most certainly :) Jul 24 08:51:53 is this an O2 device? Jul 24 08:52:09 THL: do you have experience on the Linux command line? Jul 24 08:52:16 Yes, German O2 Jul 24 08:52:39 Yeah, I know most of the base commands. My studies require me to. ;) Jul 24 08:52:54 ok, and you know how to use webos.pastebin.com ? Jul 24 08:53:28 haven't used it before, but I'll look into it Jul 24 08:54:38 ok, I'll give you commands to type, you paste the output there and give me the URL it returns. Jul 24 08:54:52 First command: mount Jul 24 08:56:44 http://webos.pastebin.com/A0Xb7Mcn Jul 24 08:57:16 ls -l /media/cryptofs/app/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.kernels.* Jul 24 08:57:24 oops Jul 24 08:57:28 ls -l /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.kernels.* Jul 24 08:59:03 http://webos.pastebin.com/nXFLKbuH Jul 24 09:00:00 ls -l /boot /lib/modules/ Jul 24 09:02:51 http://webos.pastebin.com/T6hAKb59 Jul 24 09:03:07 df Jul 24 09:05:02 http://webos.pastebin.com/6r8SsLHe Jul 24 09:07:07 ok, that all looks correct so far Jul 24 09:07:09 sorry for the formatting.... can't ssh ATM Jul 24 09:08:00 so, what state do you think the device is in at the moment? what kernel is installed right now? Jul 24 09:08:19 oh, one more command: Jul 24 09:08:24 ps -ef | grep webosinternals Jul 24 09:08:27 assuming I can't change anything in Govnah, I presume stock Jul 24 09:09:00 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed | grep webosinternals Jul 24 09:09:40 http://webos.pastebin.com/AJKFsbpk Jul 24 09:11:05 http://webos.pastebin.com/Vn3rGNyp Jul 24 09:13:05 hmm - that all looks correct to. Jul 24 09:13:15 cat /proc/version Jul 24 09:13:21 rwhitby: when you get a minute ping me Jul 24 09:14:24 Linux version 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 (na@na) (gcc version 4.2.1 (CodeSourcery S ourcery G++ Lite 2007q3-51)) #1 281.1.23.2 Jul 24 09:14:54 THL: ok, so you have the UberKernel installed according to ipkg, but are running the stock kernel. Jul 24 09:15:15 md5sum /boot/* Jul 24 09:17:43 http://webos.pastebin.com/J8h7QfSR Jul 24 09:20:05 so, what could cause the kernel installing correctly, but not booting it? Jul 24 09:20:28 it didn't install correctly Jul 24 09:20:36 ipkg thinks it is installed Jul 24 09:20:37 but it isn't Jul 24 09:21:04 so should I uninstall it and try a 4th time? Jul 24 09:21:28 wait for rwhitby he knows more about it than me Jul 24 09:21:29 THL, wait till rwhitby gets done with the evaluation... Jul 24 09:21:37 okay :) Jul 24 09:26:47 THL: try this Jul 24 09:27:14 sh -x /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre.postinst Jul 24 09:27:38 rwhitby: if I deleted a folder from packages, how can I get it back? Jul 24 09:27:45 git pull isn't doing it... Jul 24 09:27:51 cryptk: git checkout filename Jul 24 09:30:28 thanks Jul 24 09:30:58 http://webos.pastebin.com/5wAXsrab Jul 24 09:31:09 I believe the last line says it all? Jul 24 09:31:53 THL: install the Palm recovery kernel, then ping me again Jul 24 09:32:06 ok Jul 24 09:32:14 thanks for taking your time with me :) Jul 24 09:32:16 we will do a "dbus-util --capture ipkgservice" while you then install uberkernel again and watch it Jul 24 09:32:33 so I should just install it without removing UK prior to that? Jul 24 09:32:47 THL: this is the second report, and there has been a third in twitter, so I'm suspicious of a real problem Jul 24 09:33:24 THL: install Palm recovery kernel (it will remove any other kernels too), then restart Preware before getting ready to install uberkernel Jul 24 09:33:37 ok, thx Jul 24 09:34:10 rwhitby, can you find out if the twitter user is a german O2? Jul 24 09:34:46 ka6sox: they are: http://twitter.com/tiax/status/19409333419 Jul 24 09:35:25 rwhitby: ok, installing recovery kernel... will take a while, since I'm on GPRS w/o accessible WiFi here... Jul 24 09:36:02 THL: actually, run "dbus-util --capture ipkgservice" now and watch the install Jul 24 09:39:44 the internet here is so slow Jul 24 09:39:52 either that or my SSH server is having some kind of issues Jul 24 09:40:01 it keeps on having random hangs/pauses Jul 24 09:44:17 rwhitby: only the last few lines, because I can see somthings amiss http://webos.pastebin.com/aZZ0pQn3 Jul 24 09:44:34 however it says kernel installed Jul 24 09:45:14 those lines are just the download status Jul 24 09:45:33 it should then have status messages from the post-install script Jul 24 09:46:04 one the preware screen, so you see messages about verifying files and making backups and such? Jul 24 09:46:07 i know, but it stops there and preware now tells me "Kernel installed" Jul 24 09:46:35 what was the last message on the screen before the Kernel Installed dialog box? Jul 24 09:46:49 nothing... the same as the first two times I tried to install UK... the screen only showed up the thirs time Jul 24 09:47:13 couldn't say, sorry... i only payed attention to the novaterm output Jul 24 09:47:47 there should be much more novaterm output - are you sure it is still reporting the output correctly? Jul 24 09:48:03 if you do an update feeds in Preware, do you see it in novaterm now? Jul 24 09:49:25 yes, everythings still updating Jul 24 09:50:00 however, I have to get back to you later, as I need to leave home now... be back in an hour or so.... hope you'll have time rhen Jul 24 09:51:36 I need the full novaterm output, and what happens on the screen as you do an install Jul 24 09:52:18 you can also download the ipkg file to the USB drive and use the new Install Package feature to save re-downloading it every time Jul 24 09:57:46 thanks, will consider that... I'll get back to you as soon as I have a successful output while installing the recovery kernel Jul 24 10:01:28 rwhitby: ping Jul 24 10:01:55 syn|ack Jul 24 10:02:12 once I am done with this patch for libgsm how do I get that into WIDK? Jul 24 10:02:23 it just modifies it so that it will create a shared library Jul 24 10:02:53 you commit the patch into the repo, and update the Makefile to apply it Jul 24 10:03:09 do I have commit access? Jul 24 10:03:33 ARGH! I hate my SSH Jul 24 10:05:12 it hangs/pauses every minute Jul 24 10:05:31 cryptk: I believe you do Jul 24 10:07:03 hang Jul 24 10:07:22 this is making it almost impossible to work on this Jul 24 10:07:41 are you on EVDO or wifi? Jul 24 10:07:56 I am on a wired connection at the hotel Jul 24 10:08:11 hang again Jul 24 10:08:26 and every time it hangs, it does it for 20-30 seconds Jul 24 10:08:31 then a minute later it does it again Jul 24 10:08:47 windows client? Jul 24 10:08:51 no Jul 24 10:08:55 I am in linux Jul 24 10:08:59 so is my box at home Jul 24 10:09:09 oh. Jul 24 10:09:22 at home it is Ubuntu 10.04 and I am on Mint 9 here Jul 24 10:09:27 are you ssh -X to home? Jul 24 10:10:01 no Jul 24 10:10:03 just command line Jul 24 10:10:39 my IRC works fine Jul 24 10:10:42 so does everything else Jul 24 10:11:03 okay irc is onhome cmoputer? Jul 24 10:11:14 no Jul 24 10:11:16 I am on IRC here Jul 24 10:11:20 that is how I am typing Jul 24 10:11:44 ping git.webos-internals.org from home Jul 24 10:12:29 I would if I could get reconnected to it Jul 24 10:12:53 warthog-85 now available for 1.4.5 Jul 24 10:13:02 pings return Jul 24 10:13:31 cryptk, any sequences missing? Jul 24 10:13:43 not for the 10 that I let run Jul 24 10:13:59 let it run for a minute+ Jul 24 10:14:18 although a ping -f did show some packet loss Jul 24 10:14:52 I'm only seeing about 5Mb on our subnet Jul 24 10:15:18 well, I am getting packet loss on flood pinging google as well Jul 24 10:15:53 I have it doing normal pings now and no seq's missing Jul 24 10:15:54 how about to your router? Jul 24 10:16:23 whatcha mean? like ping the router? Jul 24 10:17:01 no packet loss there either Jul 24 10:17:06 nm...just trying to see if its in the cable/dsl (to your gateway) Jul 24 10:17:57 okay...kind of annoying... Jul 24 10:18:13 can the toughbook run putty? Jul 24 10:18:53 or is that how you are connecting to home? Jul 24 10:18:56 yes, but it seems as long as I leave a terminal window ssh'd in pinging something it is fine Jul 24 10:19:26 are you running a VPN tunnel to home? Jul 24 10:20:20 no Jul 24 10:20:27 just an SSH connection Jul 24 10:20:39 wierd..because thats what happens to my VPN clients. Jul 24 10:20:46 okay Jul 24 10:21:24 do the git and drop it off in the background. Jul 24 10:21:45 that way the terminal won't affect it Jul 24 10:48:57 rwhitby: ping Jul 24 10:49:18 how can I commit just my changes to the gsm folder Jul 24 10:49:31 when I try and to git commit it is wanting to push everything I have done. Jul 24 10:54:13 rwhitby: ping Jul 24 10:55:55 Installed Recovery Kernel, haven't rebooted yet. Output: http://webos.pastebin.com/u0p2FVT1 Jul 24 10:56:14 THL: looking Jul 24 10:57:03 THL: ok, that worked perfectly. Jul 24 10:57:10 Need the same for the UberKernel install Jul 24 10:57:18 reboot inbetween? Jul 24 10:57:20 no need to reboot, BTW. Jul 24 10:57:23 ok Jul 24 10:59:06 ok, committed Jul 24 10:59:13 libgsm is now all pimpified Jul 24 11:02:35 rwhitby: sorry, machine crashed Jul 24 11:02:51 what was the dbus command again? Jul 24 11:03:05 dbus-util --capture ipkgservice Jul 24 11:03:32 cryptk: pushed? Jul 24 11:06:49 rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/Pjimdy12 Jul 24 11:09:10 that looks correct. reboot and it should work Jul 24 11:15:31 rwhitby: yes Jul 24 11:15:41 rwhitby: it worked. Thank you very much. However with my limited knowledge I still fail to see where the problem was, and why installing from USB fixed the problem. Jul 24 11:16:13 wait... it didn't push Jul 24 11:16:25 I am getting an error, remote end hung up Jul 24 11:16:27 Anything I can do for you, which could help you any other way. It'd be the least I could do Jul 24 11:16:28 THL: can you try it again, and capture what happens when you install over GSM ? Jul 24 11:16:43 yeah, no problem... only UK or both? Jul 24 11:17:00 reinstall recovery from USB, then uber over GSM Jul 24 11:17:24 ok, will do Jul 24 11:17:24 THL: I'm suspecting some sort of corruption over GSM. Jul 24 11:17:33 rwhitby: but they do seem to be in there though Jul 24 11:17:47 cryptk: not here Jul 24 11:18:04 cryptk: and not on http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/cross-compile.git;a=summary Jul 24 11:18:50 argh Jul 24 11:19:06 cryptk: git pull before git push Jul 24 11:19:18 cryptk: and you'll need to have cloned using the push URL Jul 24 11:19:31 git@git.webos-internals.org:preware/cross-compile.git Jul 24 11:20:56 argh... I don't have a cert set up Jul 24 11:21:34 but I am really tired... would it be possible for me to just email you the files and have you push them in? Jul 24 11:21:58 there's no hurry Jul 24 11:23:49 where do I go to set up a cert? Jul 24 11:25:26 meh, I will do it tomorrow Jul 24 11:25:29 goodnight all **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 24 19:28:14 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 24 19:31:03 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 24 19:32:15 2010 Jul 24 21:15:17 ok... over the slow hotel wifi... and on a slow laptop... I am going to set up my own WIDK here (since my roommate isn't home to turn on my home computer for me to SSH in) Jul 24 23:16:01 diovyou were trying to install something you wrote? Jul 24 23:17:10 diov ??? Jul 24 23:17:21 left. OK Jul 24 23:55:40 hi there Jul 24 23:59:25 Hey there buddy Jul 25 00:02:08 I'm having trouble building the webos-internals cross compiling environment Jul 25 00:02:30 pm rwhitby :P Jul 25 00:04:07 ok, I'll try that. ;) Jul 25 00:15:14 no, don't pm - just ask the question here where any number of people may be able to answer it. Jul 25 00:23:10 k: I'm gettint an error when trying to compile the webos-internals cross compile sdk. During the "make stage" step, somewhere in packages/x/libxcb/build/armv6/src it says: Jul 25 00:23:10 "libtool: Version mismatch error. This is libtool 2.2.6 Debian-2.2.6a-4, but the definition of this LT_INIT comes from libtool 2.2.6b. You should recreate alclocal.m4 with macros from libtool 2.2.6 Debian-2.2.6a-4 and run autoconf again." Jul 25 00:23:21 I fiddled arround a bit, but did not manage to get around this error message yet.. :( Jul 25 00:23:22 This is on xubuntu 10.04, 64bit AMD if that matters. Jul 25 00:27:16 sorry, dunno. Jul 25 00:42:12 AcKoenigs: that's not really an error Jul 25 00:42:51 hm.. ? Jul 25 00:45:12 so my cross compile environment should work? Jul 25 02:07:33 http://mislav.uniqpath.com/2010/07/git-tips/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 25 02:59:57 2010