**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 25 02:59:57 2010 Jul 25 03:26:30 :/ Jul 25 03:26:36 wirc reset itself Jul 25 03:34:18 Hello All. Jul 25 03:34:54 I'm rather new to webOS, however I do my way around reletively well. Jul 25 03:35:15 However would anyone know what I should do to upgrade a palm pre plus on verizon to the newest update. Jul 25 03:35:43 I have installed preware and LOTS of patches. I dont know if this will effect my upgrade or not. Jul 25 03:38:58 nvm. I read that its not available... Jul 25 03:39:00 damn. Jul 25 03:39:13 What a waste of good hardware. Jul 25 03:40:42 it will be... Jul 25 03:42:28 one day.... Jul 25 04:03:52 hmm. Jul 25 04:04:02 LunaSysMgr got hung up somehow Jul 25 04:57:36 ~seen cryptk Jul 25 04:57:39 cryptk <~cryptk@12.97.58.115> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 7h 42m 21s ago, saying: 'ok... over the slow hotel wifi... and on a slow laptop... I am going to set up my own WIDK here (since my roommate isn't home to turn on my home computer for me to SSH in)'. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 25 05:13:48 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 25 05:16:14 2010 Jul 25 07:28:39 anyone around to test a kernel? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 25 10:36:14 2010 Jul 25 12:40:09 how can i get the new version of wirc Jul 25 12:40:40 preware? Jul 25 12:46:01 i already checked preware. All I see is 0.2.4 Jul 25 12:46:26 i heard there is suppose to be a new version with 1.4.5 Jul 25 12:49:00 preware testing feed Jul 25 16:46:59 rwhitby: feel free to direct people to #wirc if u dont want to answer questions Jul 25 17:19:24 seems today is significant Jul 25 17:19:34 for Jay and internalz Jul 25 18:13:30 birth of WOSQI! Jul 25 18:48:15 rwhitby: let me know if you need me to generate more error data for that charging bug I have. Jul 25 19:02:31 rwhitby: does preware correctly look at the minimum webos version for an app in the catalog? Jul 25 19:21:57 Tibfib: afaik Preware does not filter apps based on minimum WebOS version Jul 25 19:22:25 Kyusaku: hmm, interesting. I wonder why Jul 25 19:25:37 they haven't had much need to do it in the past, as the way they set up patches doesn't need to filter out based on OS version, as Preware will assign it to the patch feed based on your WebOS version Jul 25 19:42:35 It's sad when a homebrew commercial is better than Palm's ads... Jul 25 19:42:53 Well not sad, but... Jul 25 19:48:30 if only we knew that palm marketing was working on webos and hence their marketing is a bit behind.. Jul 25 19:59:37 People keep saying the homebrew commercial is better Jul 25 19:59:58 I don't see it. Sure, it shows a guy tabbing around Jul 25 20:00:46 But as an effective ad? Eh, I don't think it's that great (nor do I think any with that woman or the verizon mother stuff were) Jul 25 21:08:49 chrisa: i thought it was a good commercial Jul 25 21:09:16 yeah, me too .. simply and to the point Jul 25 21:11:02 I like it Jul 25 21:15:41 goodnight everyone Jul 25 21:16:33 Do patches or OC kernels have to be removed before you install a theme? Jul 25 21:19:03 only if the patches conflict with the theme somehow Jul 25 21:19:38 Ok. Im assuming my Lite List Launcher is giving it a fit then. Jul 25 22:35:54 my widk keeps failing on make toolchain... i686-unknown-linux-gnu-1.4.1.tar.gz is tailing to download completely Jul 25 22:36:07 and I don't know if it is the crappy hotel wifi or not Jul 25 22:36:18 but it always fails in the 80-85% range Jul 25 22:58:16 cryptk: i find the codesourcery does that Jul 25 22:58:33 cryptk: I download it by hand via "wget -c" to continue the previous download. I'm sure curl has a similar option Jul 25 22:58:57 cryptk: and you might want to run 'make staging-armv7' instead if you don't care about the pixi/i686... just saying. Jul 25 23:00:47 dtzWill: I just downloaded it with my phone Jul 25 23:01:04 now I am trying to set up USB networking because the wifi on this laptop is flakey Jul 25 23:01:16 but I can't get it to pick up the usb networking on the laptop Jul 25 23:14:25 dtzWill: for some reason wget refuses to continue that download Jul 25 23:14:35 nor will my damn usb networking work Jul 25 23:16:29 tcp over carrier pigeon Jul 25 23:17:44 haha Jul 25 23:18:48 how can I fetch a file from my pre without using USB mode? Jul 25 23:20:11 cryptk: scp Jul 25 23:20:22 cryptk: novacom Jul 25 23:20:28 and without using the data connection Jul 25 23:20:33 I am on a confrence call Jul 25 23:20:46 was hoping for something with novacom Jul 25 23:22:42 cryptk: novacom get file:///media/internal/myfile > local_file_name Jul 25 23:23:00 awesome Jul 25 23:31:09 if you want an entire subdir you can do something more complicated with tar Jul 25 23:31:12 ie, novacom run file Jul 25 23:31:38 novacom -- run file:///bin/tar cvf - /mydir > foo'tar Jul 25 23:33:20 geist: very nice trick! Jul 25 23:33:53 well, i designed and wrote novacom, it was how i intended it to be used :) Jul 25 23:34:18 basically its a lowest common denominator, enough to run a process on the other end and have it act more or less like its local Jul 25 23:34:24 seems you could pretty easily wrap up that into a script called something like palm-get... it would first tar the file/directory and then grab it Jul 25 23:34:28 with that you can pipe whatever you want with whatever format you want Jul 25 23:34:38 very nice Jul 25 23:34:48 yep, exactly. someone internally wrote a java front end that basically runs a bunch of ls and tars Jul 25 23:35:09 someone else was hacking on a fuse thing, would be super simple to pump fuse over a novacom link Jul 25 23:35:22 it sure would Jul 25 23:35:35 sometimes the simplest of things turn out to be the most useful Jul 25 23:36:10 one time I wrote a script... all it did was send whatever command you passed to it as an arguement out to a list of IP's via ssh Jul 25 23:36:17 I use that script every day Jul 25 23:49:58 cryptk: novacom run tar is how meta-doctor does a full filesystem backup of the pre. it memboots the recovery image, then enables LVM and mounts and grabs all the partition contents Jul 25 23:50:08 all over novacom. Jul 25 23:50:32 nice Jul 25 23:50:39 never realized how useful it was Jul 25 23:50:49 brb Jul 25 23:51:00 it's true unix philosophy beauty Jul 25 23:52:21 yep, that was the intent Jul 25 23:52:40 never quite got everyone to fully grok it, but it was generally the non unixy background people that fought it a bit Jul 25 23:53:29 novacom is the bomb indeed Jul 25 23:54:01 wish we could have gotten it open sourced Jul 25 23:54:15 but never could get the higher ups to sign off on it Jul 25 23:54:21 GOT IT Jul 25 23:54:28 finally got my conenction over the pre Jul 25 23:54:47 lol,yay Jul 25 23:55:03 it is faster than the crappy hotel internet Jul 25 23:55:15 and the wifi on this laptop is kinda flakey Jul 25 23:55:20 so it drops out alot Jul 25 23:55:23 cryptk|work: heh, my home connection is currently shaped to 64Kb/sec, so I feel your pain Jul 25 23:55:38 that's right... in aussie land they limit your traffic Jul 25 23:55:52 move to the USA where you can get 3-5MB/s all day long Jul 25 23:55:56 haha Jul 25 23:55:58 I have a 25Gb plan, then shaped ot 64Kb/sec Jul 25 23:56:08 that sucks Jul 25 23:56:10 they do here too..on some plans after 5GB they start shaping. Jul 25 23:56:11 is that the biggest you can get there? Jul 25 23:56:25 my internet at home is shape free Jul 25 23:56:30 not even triangles Jul 25 23:56:30 cryptk|work: no, I could pay exhorbitant amounts for more Jul 25 23:56:32 * oil_pre would need like 100gb Jul 25 23:56:51 last month alone I downloaded somewhere around 350GB Jul 25 23:56:51 tv torrents :/ Jul 25 23:57:06 my phone is 200MB then excess fees Jul 25 23:57:20 OUCH! Jul 25 23:57:26 my laptop datacard is 2GB then excess fees Jul 25 23:57:28 dang Jul 25 23:57:33 you can hit that with just all of the 'phone home' stuff the pre does Jul 25 23:57:58 I had 64K here at the hotel, on the pre I am getting 175K Jul 25 23:58:23 needless to say rwhitby is now using 'ask at launch' feature? :) Jul 25 23:58:35 geist: that's a bummer indeed Jul 25 23:58:40 ask at launch is excellent btw Jul 25 23:59:02 yeah, it is Jul 25 23:59:11 oil_pre: I'm always on wifi. Jul 25 23:59:11 so it goes. Jul 25 23:59:35 * oil_pre is never on wifi Jul 25 23:59:44 rwhitby: do you mostly run around with the 3G/EVDO data disabled unless you are going to use it? Jul 25 23:59:48 I go over 2gbs monthy Jul 25 23:59:57 cryptk: no, I leave it enabled Jul 26 00:00:03 I usually hit around 4-5GB when on buisness trips Jul 26 00:00:12 about 3 GB when not on trips Jul 26 00:00:15 the pixi is never on wifi due to wirc not auto switching connections :) Jul 26 00:00:18 man, im gonna hold onto this att unlimited data thing forever i guess Jul 26 00:00:28 lol Jul 26 00:00:32 geist: do... their new plans are a joke Jul 26 00:00:40 no more subsidy phones for geist? Jul 26 00:00:42 geist, I have the sprint one but ya... Jul 26 00:00:45 geist for phone or ipad? Jul 26 00:00:54 ipad too late... Jul 26 00:00:54 if you ever swap plans then move to sprint, their unlimited plan is awesome Jul 26 00:01:06 sprint is pretty good about it for the most part. Jul 26 00:01:15 yeah, I love my sprint plan Jul 26 00:01:23 phone. ive had a att sim since i started at palm Jul 26 00:01:32 unlimited text, data, mobile to mobile... Jul 26 00:01:50 I now pay 50 each for a joint plan with 2 people Jul 26 00:02:06 geist: has much changed for you with the merger or is it really buisness as usual? Jul 26 00:02:12 works out nicely. 1500 mins I think Jul 26 00:02:13 i dunno. i quit Jul 26 00:02:17 im unemployed now Jul 26 00:02:20 ahh Jul 26 00:02:26 and unlimited everything else Jul 26 00:02:28 :) Jul 26 00:02:34 that sucks that you are unemployed Jul 26 00:02:36 geist :) Jul 26 00:02:40 nooo no it doesnt Jul 26 00:02:46 unemployment vacations are nice Jul 26 00:02:50 haha Jul 26 00:02:54 im just screwing around, chilling for the last few weeks Jul 26 00:03:05 sitting in a coffee shoop right now, after getting up at 2pm, etc Jul 26 00:03:13 with your background you should be able to pick up a new job decently quick whenever you feel like working again Jul 26 00:03:18 yep Jul 26 00:03:25 not worried asbout that at all Jul 26 00:03:29 (my company may be looking for someone, and I know for sure that Rackspace is looking) Jul 26 00:03:35 linux sys-admins Jul 26 00:04:20 hah, no i hack oses Jul 26 00:04:27 heh Jul 26 00:04:31 on the up side you can now do whatever you want and release it as homebrew, lol Jul 26 00:04:35 and im pretty handy with gpus, and some vlsi design Jul 26 00:04:54 yep, been hacking on lk some more (the little embedded kernel bootie is based on) Jul 26 00:05:02 might end up getting that into a product or two Jul 26 00:05:06 nice! Jul 26 00:05:23 I have been wondering how hard it would be to dual boot the phone... for you it would probably be pretty easy Jul 26 00:05:50 most I have done with bootie is change the images that it uses like the static palm logo etc Jul 26 00:06:06 ah, you hacked the nvram section? Jul 26 00:06:09 almost hitting 200K over EVDO Jul 26 00:06:13 yeah Jul 26 00:06:17 for a while i had code in there that would read the logos out of .tga files in /boot Jul 26 00:06:22 I just reprogrammed it with trenchcoat Jul 26 00:06:24 but i thnk its turned off in production builds Jul 26 00:06:54 I have a modified castle.xml that doesn't touch anything except the part of NVRAM that holds the logos Jul 26 00:07:01 so you can change them whenever you want Jul 26 00:07:10 yep, thats how youre supposewd to do it Jul 26 00:07:20 I thought about packaging it up but I decided against it, but I did write up the procedure on the wiki Jul 26 00:07:22 i specifically put all of the nvram logic only in trenchcoat Jul 26 00:07:32 so that there wouldnt be a lot of implementations floating around palm Jul 26 00:07:35 geist I always wondered about the omap code in the pixi patch Jul 26 00:07:49 dunno Jul 26 00:07:53 what omap code? Jul 26 00:08:05 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bootie_Themes Jul 26 00:08:39 the defconfig ignores all the omap stuff. Jul 26 00:08:44 geist random dangly bits. it looked like someone diffed against a bad tree Jul 26 00:08:52 probably Jul 26 00:09:14 anyhoo, gotta go Jul 26 00:09:19 coffee shop closing up Jul 26 00:09:21 have fun man Jul 26 00:09:23 laterz Jul 26 00:09:23 later Jul 26 00:09:37 later... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 26 00:24:03 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 26 00:26:15 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 26 00:26:22 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 26 00:28:15 2010 Jul 26 01:00:41 hmm govnah freq graph has a scaling issue Jul 26 01:01:21 2:1 scaling of today's kernels' gotta make for a mess. Jul 26 01:02:09 what kind of issue? I blame oil Jul 26 01:06:33 wow... over 250K on EVDO now... Jul 26 01:21:25 i was getting about 350KB/sec on ATT the other day Jul 26 01:21:29 totally impressed Jul 26 01:23:13 yeah, I am in the middle of nowhere right now, near death valley Jul 26 01:27:45 anyone have experience with the "Repair Utility"? Jul 26 01:28:17 which repair utility? Jul 26 01:59:50 asedeno: ping Jul 26 01:59:56 yo Jul 26 02:01:40 Ah, excellent, just saw the approval email. Sorry about the patch root mixup. Jul 26 02:04:40 ok, all patch updates have now been pushed Jul 26 02:07:35 do AppCat apps go on sale? Jul 26 02:07:51 like they do in the AppStore Jul 26 02:08:16 ...where have you been for the last month? Jul 26 02:08:20 or do you mean something else? Jul 26 02:09:23 by individual vendors not palm Jul 26 02:09:31 you can change the price at any time Jul 26 02:09:45 there is no app that keeps track of those changes , is there? Jul 26 02:09:49 nope Jul 26 02:09:59 wanting to build one? Jul 26 02:10:39 yes Jul 26 02:11:00 that'd be cool Jul 26 02:16:18 want to use one, rather ;] Jul 26 02:31:00 whats good Jul 26 02:32:53 New Sunglasses ftw **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 26 02:59:57 2010