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Jul 26 03:04:08 <cajun> I need to do a partial erase. I just saved the installed list using preware, where is this list saved?
Jul 26 03:06:23 <rwhitby> cajun: use save/restore to save it to the USB drive
Jul 26 03:06:38 <cajun> oh ok.  thanks
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Jul 26 09:07:47 <jhojho> anyone here used a jawbone icon with a palm pre or pixi?
Jul 26 09:47:11 <palmprelawyer> Good day.
Jul 26 10:04:51 <swisstomcat> morning
Jul 26 10:13:38 <jhojho> man i want this for webos... http://techcrunch.com/2010/07/25/autodesk-fluid-fx/
Jul 26 10:15:05 <oil> lol, autodesk making an iphone app
Jul 26 10:45:34 <rwhitby> oil: ping
Jul 26 10:46:07 <cryptk> goodnight all
Jul 26 10:46:17 <rwhitby> night cryptk
Jul 26 11:17:11 <noradtux> rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/teQpW6Cs
Jul 26 11:17:44 <noradtux> rwhitby: a hack to transform APPINFO_CHANGELOG to CHANGELOG
Jul 26 11:18:03 <rwhitby> noradtux: does that hand multiple comma separated strings for each version?
Jul 26 11:18:10 <rwhitby> s/hand/handle/
Jul 26 11:18:11 <infobot> rwhitby meant: noradtux: does that handle multiple comma separated strings for each version?
Jul 26 11:18:29 <noradtux> hmm, nope, don't think so
Jul 26 11:18:44 <noradtux> didn't know that that was a use-case
Jul 26 11:18:50 <bhuey> rwhitby: nice work on the homebrew release today
Jul 26 11:18:51 <bhuey> thanks
Jul 26 11:19:17 <noradtux> I more less just cut away all that json markup
Jul 26 11:19:20 <rwhitby> noradtux: yes, they appear as multiple bullet points under a version
Jul 26 11:19:39 <rwhitby> should end up just as multiple sentences
Jul 26 11:23:53 <noradtux> hmm, I added a line to the pastebin, should do that
Jul 26 11:28:08 <noradtux> http://webos.pastebin.com/KxJ2L6PY
Jul 26 11:32:22 <rwhitby> noradtux: http://webos.pastebin.com/H7WBvdEy is a real-life example.  What does it produce?
Jul 26 11:35:37 <noradtux> 1.4.5-74: Limited frequency to 500MHz when charging on Touchstone to prevent overheating, Improved verification of target files for no existing modifications <br/>
Jul 26 11:35:37 <noradtux> 1.4.5-58: Limited frequency to 500MHz when charging at 1A to prevent overheating <br/>
Jul 26 11:35:37 <noradtux> 1.4.5-50: Incorporated compile flag performance improvements <br/>
Jul 26 11:35:37 <noradtux> 1.4.5-43: Updated with latest postinst and prerm OTA safety measures <br/>
Jul 26 11:35:37 <noradtux> 1.4.5-40: Enabled lower frequencies for screenstate minimum <br/>
Jul 26 11:35:38 <noradtux> 1.4.5-37: Includes free swap in Too Many Cards memory calculations <br/>
Jul 26 11:35:40 <noradtux> 1.4.5-35: Added compcache compressed RAM swap kernel module (not loaded by default) <br/>
Jul 26 11:35:42 <noradtux> 1.4.5-32: Update and cleanup of charging code in screenstate governor <br/>
Jul 26 11:35:44 <noradtux> 1.4.5-21: Limit IVA2 block to 360MHz as per the mystery bug mentioned in the Palm kernel patch <br/>
Jul 26 11:35:46 <noradtux> 1.4.5-16: Improved screenstate transition detection <br/>
Jul 26 11:35:49 <noradtux> 1.4.5-13: Initial public release <br/>
Jul 26 12:33:02 <Goyena> Hi all. Got a "Preware: error writing Saved Package" in Preware 1.2.6. Is this the right place to ask for help?
Jul 26 12:33:36 <rwhitby> Goyena: yes.  have you run out of space on your USB drive?
Jul 26 12:34:06 <Goyena> acc to device info, 1.3 GB left.
Jul 26 12:34:32 <Goyena> SFR Palm Pre Plus in France. GSM.
Jul 26 12:34:36 <rwhitby> can you email the IPKG log to yourself?
Jul 26 12:35:09 <Goyena> Thanks to Jason's new Internalz, yes!
Jul 26 12:36:36 <rwhitby> Why do you need Internalz?  Preware has a menu item to email the ipkg log.
Jul 26 12:36:40 <Goyena> Uh...where is it?
Jul 26 12:36:49 <Goyena> ok.
Jul 26 12:41:23 <Goyena> Rod, can't find it. This wasn't during an install - I was trying to backup my save pkg list.
Jul 26 12:42:01 <Goyena> Saved package list > "Update" button.
Jul 26 12:42:56 <Goyena> It updated the list, then tried to write it somewhere and failed. Save/Restore picks up an old version when I try to save Preware.
Jul 26 12:43:15 * bhuey can't believe that folks desperate for new hardware did a board swap on a Pixi to get wifi
Jul 26 12:45:53 <jhowirc> bhuey why not?
Jul 26 12:46:13 <jhowirc> I'm strongly considering the sprint pre plus swap
Jul 26 12:47:34 <Goyena> There is no menu item on the Saved Packages Page for ipkg log.
Jul 26 12:49:03 <Goyena> Can you direct me to where the Saved Package file is? Maybe the file is just corrupted somehow?
Jul 26 12:49:39 <rwhitby> Goyena: it's in a webos database
Jul 26 12:49:40 <bhuey> jhowirc: I wonder if the same thing will work on a Pre ?
Jul 26 12:49:48 <bhuey> just to get more storage
Jul 26 12:50:29 <jhowirc> bhuey: there's a thread on pc
Jul 26 12:50:47 <jhowirc> apparently jhoff80 there has done the swap
Jul 26 12:50:51 <bhuey> you can get more storage with this board eh ?
Jul 26 12:51:13 <rwhitby> jhowirc: I've swapped a CDMA board into a GSM Pre which had a bad GSM board.
Jul 26 12:51:16 <jhowirc> supposedly a comms board swap. but no indication how updates will be affected
Jul 26 12:51:24 <jhowirc> right
Jul 26 12:51:33 * bhuey wants more storage
Jul 26 12:51:43 <rwhitby> still didn't work in australia of course, but at least the kernel recognised it and stopped sucking the battery looking for it
Jul 26 12:51:51 <bhuey> can't believe Sprint/Palm are lagging so hard on the upgrade
Jul 26 12:52:07 <jhowirc> rwhitby but did it handle an OTA update?
Jul 26 12:52:34 <rwhitby> jhowirc: yes
Jul 26 12:53:09 <jhowirc> the update only bothers me when a) I wanted exzeus for the pre and b) I wanted to stop building so many kernels per release
Jul 26 12:53:17 <rwhitby> Goyena: I have no idea why the save isn't working.
Jul 26 12:54:52 <rwhitby> Goyena: all I can suggest is to uninstall and reinstall Preware
Jul 26 12:55:52 <Goyena> rwhitby: alright. I didn't want to, since I the ONLY thing I can't do on my Pre alone is install Preware.
Jul 26 12:56:24 <Goyena> rwhitby: logically, a device restart won't change anything.
Jul 26 12:56:36 <rwhitby> Goyena: download the preware ipkg to the USB drive.  install Internalz.  Install Preware using Internalz.
Jul 26 12:58:05 <Goyena> rwhitby: ah ha! I forgot that is now possible. wonderful. Thanks. Cheers.
Jul 26 12:58:34 <rwhitby> redundancy is good in homebrew
Jul 26 13:17:03 <sbromwich> http://bugs.php.net/52435
Jul 26 13:17:06 <sbromwich> go sturgeon
Jul 26 13:34:20 <jhowirc> lol
Jul 26 13:34:26 <jhowirc> nice comments
Jul 26 14:00:25 <diov> anyone know how I can push a different scene on the first launch of an app and another scene on all other launches?
Jul 26 14:02:24 <swisstomcat> use a cookie?
Jul 26 14:02:42 <swisstomcat> if it doesn't exist, push scene first-run, if it exists .. do something else
Jul 26 14:04:27 <diov> +swisstomcat i've never used a cookie how would I make one?
Jul 26 14:04:44 <swisstomcat> come over to #webos and i'll give you some pointers
Jul 26 14:05:22 <diov> okay thanls
Jul 26 15:33:27 <aGaTHoS> wtf my SSL certificate from gmail account has expired????
Jul 26 15:55:49 <nebula> mornin chuqui
Jul 26 15:56:39 <Goyena> rwhitby: Still awake Down Under?
Jul 26 15:56:55 <nebula> nope
Jul 26 15:57:01 <nebula> about an hour ago :(
Jul 26 15:57:16 <chuqui> morning!
Jul 26 15:57:41 <Goyena> Anyone else with Preware 1.2.6 and a "Preware: Error writing saved Package" when hitting "Update" in the Saved Package List scene?
Jul 26 15:58:15 <Goyena> *crickets chirping*
Jul 26 15:58:47 <swisstomcat> *dogs barking*
Jul 26 16:00:48 <asedeno_work> http://www.copyright.gov/1201/2010/Librarian-of-Congress-1201-Statement.html
Jul 26 18:10:19 <ShadeS> palm supports active sync right?
Jul 26 18:20:20 <swisstomcat> EAS, yes
Jul 26 20:28:34 <Timo_> Hi!
Jul 26 20:28:36 <Timo_> I get this error during make stage of the WebOS Internals PDK:
Jul 26 20:29:09 <Timo_> make[6]: Betrete Verzeichnis '/srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/x/dbus-glib/build/armv6/tools' DBUS_TOP_BUILDDIR=.. /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon --introspect > dbus-bus-introspect.xml.tmp && mv dbus-bus-introspect.xml.tmp dbus-bus-introspect.xml /bin/sh: /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon: No such file or directory make[6]: *** [dbus-bus-introspect.xml] Fehler 127
Jul 26 20:30:11 <Timo_> It seems the make script tries to execute dbus-daemon in /usr/local/bin.
Jul 26 20:31:01 <Timo_> However it's in /bin.
Jul 26 20:31:41 <Timo_> Anyone out there who had the same problem or any other clues?
Jul 26 20:33:30 <dtzWill> Timo_: hmm. the dbus-glib /ships/ it's own dbus-bus-introspect to avoid that issue.
Jul 26 20:33:46 <dtzWill> oh ffs the arch changes broke it.
Jul 26 20:33:54 <dtzWill> Timo_: okay i think i know why it isn't working.
Jul 26 20:34:10 <dtzWill> Timo_: do you need armv6 support? if not try running 'make staging-armv7' or so
Jul 26 20:34:27 <dtzWill> anyway i'll fix that and ship it in a second.
Jul 26 20:35:46 <Timo_> If it is not needed for Palm Pixi development, then I don't need it. :-)
Jul 26 20:36:07 <Timo_> But I can also wait :-)
Jul 26 20:36:09 <dtzWill> Timo_: armv6 is for pixi, armv7 is pre. so you do want it.
Jul 26 20:36:26 <Timo_> Okay. Thanks.
Jul 26 20:37:47 <Timo_> Is there any other step needed beside getting the update via git and running again make stage?
Jul 26 20:38:29 <dtzWill> Timo_: 'git pull' to update, run 'make clobber -C packages/x/dbus-glib' to clear it out
Jul 26 20:38:33 <dtzWill> and try it again.
Jul 26 20:39:20 <dtzWill> Timo_: fwiw unlesss you want the X stuff for what you're doing, you might want to just skip the x stuff altogether, similarly for the dev-e stuff
Jul 26 20:39:42 <Timo_> You have already submitted the update?
Jul 26 20:39:45 <zsoc> dtzWill: is it true we need to 'make setup' on the top level now?
Jul 26 20:39:57 <dtzWill> Timo_: yes I submitted the update.
Jul 26 20:40:03 <dtzWill> zsoc: we always did, idk when we didn't.
Jul 26 20:40:10 <Timo_> Thanks!
Jul 26 20:40:12 <dtzWill> zsoc: it only has to be done.. once though.
Jul 26 20:40:13 <zsoc> oh
Jul 26 20:40:13 <Timo_> :-)
Jul 26 20:40:15 <zsoc> i see
Jul 26 20:40:16 <dtzWill> Timo_: thank me if/when it works :D
Jul 26 20:40:39 <zsoc> dtzWill: i've been having random build problems since the arch change
Jul 26 20:40:41 <zsoc> bison and glib mostly
Jul 26 20:40:55 <dtzWill> zsoc: 'make staging-armv7' ?
Jul 26 20:41:04 <zsoc> dtzWill: yes
Jul 26 20:41:12 <dtzWill> zsoc: or staging-armv6 for pixi, but the i686 is all kinds of broken.
Jul 26 20:41:16 <cnolan> hi everyone. anyone know what the ".palm" directory is in the USB drive? mine contains over a gig of random looking files...?
Jul 26 20:41:20 <zsoc> no i'm only building armv7
Jul 26 20:41:21 <dtzWill> zsoc: hmm, what kinds of errors?
Jul 26 20:41:52 <zsoc> i'm rebuilding now to get exact errors
Jul 26 20:42:01 <zsoc> bison is a problem running an exec or something
Jul 26 20:42:09 <Timo_> That doesn't sound good, right?
Jul 26 20:42:11 <Timo_> timo@error-empire:/srv/preware/cross-compile$ git pull remote: Counting objects: 34, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (25/25), done. remote: Total 25 (delta 13), reused 0 (delta 0) Unpacking objects: 100% (25/25), done. From git://git.webos-internals.org/preware/cross-compile  + 9e78165...e6de62d HEAD       -> origin/HEAD  (forced update) error: Ref refs/remotes/origin/master is at e6de62da7e33106c3f035d7503f9a385df3b3e
Jul 26 20:42:30 <zsoc> git pull -f ?
Jul 26 20:43:43 <Timo_> Thanks, sorry I'm new to git. :-)
Jul 26 20:44:29 <dtzWill> Timo_,zsoc: there are magically 2 heads on git, and i have no idea how to fix.
Jul 26 20:44:38 <dtzWill> the workaround is 'git pull' 2x and then things work.
Jul 26 20:44:47 <oil> lol
Jul 26 20:44:48 <zsoc> dtzWill: two heads? 1 sec
Jul 26 20:45:32 <zsoc> dtzWill: HEAD is only the reference to the last commit, are you referring to the master branch?
Jul 26 20:45:39 <dtzWill> the e6de62 that keeps popping up is from may 30th
Jul 26 20:45:51 <dtzWill> zsoc: idk i said two heads b/c idk what's going on.
Jul 26 20:46:03 <dtzWill> zsoc: git pull toggles between what SHOULD be 'head'
Jul 26 20:46:15 <dtzWill> and the e6de62 commit
Jul 26 20:46:18 <zsoc> who made that commit?
Jul 26 20:46:39 <dtzWill> "Malte Shrader"
Jul 26 20:46:51 <dtzWill> where the 'a' is some character my locale isn't printing correctly lol
Jul 26 20:47:24 <dtzWill> it's been this way.... since around may 30th. no idea how to fix it largely b/c i have no idea what is really wrong.
Jul 26 20:58:05 <zsoc> dtzWill: there's a BRANCH called 'HEAD', could you be confusing that with head?
Jul 26 20:58:29 <rwhitby> oh, there should not be a branch called HEAD
Jul 26 20:58:29 <dtzWill> zsoc: i'm personally not confusing anything with anything AFAIK
Jul 26 20:58:36 <dtzWill> zsoc: all i know is 'git pulll' gets confused.
Jul 26 20:58:38 <egaudet> who made a branch called HEAD
Jul 26 20:58:48 <zsoc> egaudet: some imbecile ;)
Jul 26 20:59:03 <zsoc> a branch named HEAD would be refs/HEAD
Jul 26 20:59:10 <zsoc> which is the same as HEAD
Jul 26 20:59:11 <zsoc> sort of
Jul 26 20:59:20 <zsoc> someone change the name of that branch please :p
Jul 26 20:59:26 <egaudet> the WHE strikes again and solves the case of the dual HEAD'd monster
Jul 26 20:59:45 <zsoc> well, it shouldn't confuse origin/head and refs/head
Jul 26 20:59:51 <zsoc> assuming origin is MASTER
Jul 26 20:59:52 * zsoc thinks
Jul 26 21:00:03 <zsoc> Two heads are better than one?
Jul 26 21:00:10 <rwhitby> not in this case
Jul 26 21:02:17 <zsoc> dtzWill: i get the warning and then /usually/ random errors for any makefile that uses advanced autotools foo
Jul 26 21:02:20 <zsoc> dtzWill: WARNING: `aclocal-1.9' is missing on your system.  You should only need it if
Jul 26 21:02:20 <zsoc>          you modified `acinclude.m4' or `configure.ac'.  You might want
Jul 26 21:02:20 <zsoc>          to install the `Automake' and `Perl' packages.  Grab them from
Jul 26 21:02:20 <zsoc>          any GNU archive site.
Jul 26 21:02:33 <zsoc> dtzWill: and i get one of those for aclocal, one for automake, etc
Jul 26 21:03:15 <dtzWill> FIXED THE TWO HEADS
Jul 26 21:03:19 <dtzWill> zsoc you were right
Jul 26 21:03:20 <dtzWill> wow so simple to fix
Jul 26 21:03:25 <dtzWill> 'git push origin :HEAD'
Jul 26 21:03:28 <dtzWill> LOL
Jul 26 21:03:51 <dtzWill> oh thank god, that was so annoying.
Jul 26 21:04:02 <egaudet> yay :)
Jul 26 21:04:10 <rwhitby> now lets see who pushes it back again ..
Jul 26 21:04:49 <dtzWill> rwhitby: i think to push it you'd have to actually do 'git push origin HEAD'
Jul 26 21:04:58 <dtzWill> oh no i published the command, someone's sure to run it :P
Jul 26 21:05:21 <dtzWill> rwhitby: i was worried to, but a simple 'git push' can't do it... so here's hoping it stays gone.
Jul 26 21:05:41 <egaudet> there's gotta be a way to blacklist that somehow
Jul 26 21:08:06 <zsoc> remotes/origin/HEAD -> origin/master
Jul 26 21:08:09 <zsoc> wat
Jul 26 21:08:17 <zsoc> oh right, push origin head, bah
Jul 26 21:08:20 <zsoc> dtzWill: i see you fixed it lol ty
Jul 26 21:08:36 <dtzWill> zsoc: err what? :(
Jul 26 21:09:25 <zsoc> dtzWill: many git 'tutorials' suggest 'git push origin HEAD' because they assume you are dealing with an empty repo
Jul 26 21:09:46 <egaudet> i thought it was always git push origin master
Jul 26 21:10:07 * zsoc thinks
Jul 26 21:10:08 <dtzWill> egaudet: me too
Jul 26 21:10:13 <zsoc> hmm, yes maybe it is
Jul 26 21:10:22 <zsoc> i don't know why you'd ever want to push origin HEAD actually
Jul 26 21:10:41 <dtzWill> zsoc: you don't :D
Jul 26 21:10:47 <zsoc> oh, it pushes the current branch to the same name on remote
Jul 26 21:11:22 <zsoc> but if you're in the 'master' branch, it will CREATE a branch called HEAD
Jul 26 21:28:35 <chrisa> If someone had asked about sprint pixis I could have told them that worked months ago
Jul 26 21:28:42 <chrisa> You need to ask the right questions
Jul 26 21:29:19 <zsoc> chrisa: what? the wifi card swapping thing?
Jul 26 21:29:27 <zsoc> eh, i thought that was kind of obvious
Jul 26 21:30:09 <rwhitby> zsoc: I've been swapping comms boards in devices for months now.  The difference is that someone made a video of it :)
Jul 26 21:30:41 <zsoc> :)
Jul 26 21:35:01 <zsoc> dtzWill: http://webos.pastebin.com/mMhK2ncM
Jul 26 21:36:03 <zsoc> dtzWill: you don't get that?
Jul 26 21:36:10 <zsoc> i've clobbered everything there is to clobber
Jul 26 21:38:12 <dtzWill> zsoc: ah, i remember you showing me that earlier.
Jul 26 21:43:16 <dtzWill> zsoc: and no, works fine here. :/
Jul 26 21:48:00 <zsoc> dtzWill: hm... is that same sh script ran in your build?
Jul 26 21:48:07 <zsoc> maybe your sb2 wraps it differently?
Jul 26 21:48:34 <dtzWill> zsoc: unfortunately I need to get back to focusing on my work. bug me later and I'll look into it.
Jul 26 21:48:41 <zsoc> dtzWill: sorry! have fun
Jul 26 21:48:52 <dtzWill> zsoc: no worries. you too :D
Jul 26 22:12:36 * Robi_ claps, nice tweet rwhitby 
Jul 26 22:13:34 <BeeRad> Do we need to lite the torches and grab the pitchforks in defense for uNiXpSyChO ?? I mean seriously, what the hell is going on? I'm too lazy to read all the forum posts.
Jul 26 22:15:10 <zsoc> BeeRad: it's terrible
Jul 26 22:15:16 <zsoc> what is wrong with people
Jul 26 22:17:16 <egaudet> huh what
Jul 26 22:17:43 <BeeRad> I still say any further Alpha testing should be restricted to CHOSEN people who are trusted by Internals not to throw an effing fit if something doesn't work properly.
Jul 26 22:18:11 <egaudet> who's throwing a fit of what
Jul 26 22:18:40 <zsoc> egaudet: it seems like uNiXpSyChO is considering quitting kernel development because of stupid users
Jul 26 22:18:52 <zsoc> egaudet: he hasn't said so but no one can get in touch with him and he hasn't made any commit recently
Jul 26 22:19:11 <BeeRad> *sigh*
Jul 26 22:19:32 <zsoc> maybe he just doesn't return my emails because i'm a noob
Jul 26 22:20:24 <egaudet> :'(
Jul 26 22:20:40 <cryptk> uNiXpSyChO's kernels are highly developmental and cutting edge... I know that I have a weak pre so when I check out his kernels I mem-boot them
Jul 26 22:21:18 <BeeRad> Dude, I've had to Doctor several times already. Guess what.....I'M OK WITH THAT. It's par for the course when doing this stuff. I may not understand all of whats going on, and I may not understand code....but I DO understand that there can be consequences and repercussions for doing this stuff.
Jul 26 22:21:28 <BeeRad> And yes.....I said dude.
Jul 26 22:59:42 <dick-richardson> can I copy to the clipboard from the command line?
Jul 26 23:10:35 <zsoc> why not?
Jul 26 23:14:05 <krushia> anyone know of a pastebin-like app that lets you upload files to [some-place-that-isn't-a-friggin-social-aids-service]
Jul 26 23:14:13 <krushia> like imgur, etc.
Jul 26 23:14:23 <krushia> omploader
Jul 26 23:17:22 <krushia> really wish internalz was open source. would be perfect base for sftp/dav/ftp/nfs/cifs/... client
Jul 26 23:17:39 <zsoc> krushia: no it wouldn't, it's java
Jul 26 23:17:54 <zsoc> krushia: if it ever gets ported to C, /then/ complain about the license
Jul 26 23:17:59 <krushia> oh
Jul 26 23:38:31 <beelzabub> the server side of internalz is java based, right? not client side
Jul 26 23:38:37 <beelzabub> rather not device side
Jul 26 23:39:30 <zsoc> beelzabub: the service is java, yes
Jul 26 23:39:40 <zsoc> the on-device service
Jul 26 23:39:49 <beelzabub> you guys might want to start working on fixing that
Jul 26 23:39:58 <zsoc> beelzabub: ... it's not ours
Jul 26 23:39:59 <zsoc> eew
Jul 26 23:40:00 <zsoc> haha
Jul 26 23:40:01 <bpadalino> heh
Jul 26 23:40:04 <egaudet> lol
Jul 26 23:40:08 <egaudet> java bleh
Jul 26 23:40:10 <zsoc> (no offense jason, if you read logs)
Jul 26 23:40:11 <beelzabub> cause it won't work in the future
Jul 26 23:40:16 <zsoc> beelzabub: we know :)
Jul 26 23:40:26 <beelzabub> i know - just reminding
Jul 26 23:40:26 <bpadalino> yeah, it's been well known java is getting tossed
Jul 26 23:40:29 <zsoc> beelzabub: Jason has actually been talking about a C rewrite for version 1.2
Jul 26 23:40:37 <beelzabub> eww
Jul 26 23:40:43 <egaudet> node.js
Jul 26 23:40:46 <beelzabub> yay
Jul 26 23:41:01 <zsoc> beelzabub: node.js is the new js service magiks?
Jul 26 23:41:09 <bpadalino> it can do IO!
Jul 26 23:41:19 <zsoc> oh that's really cool
Jul 26 23:41:53 <bpadalino> the node.js guy is a little weird .. i watched a presentation he did
Jul 26 23:41:58 <zsoc> he has a document editor and an image viewer and stuff in there too
Jul 26 23:42:30 <chrisa> Every time people mention node.js I imagine some 5000 line javascript file that reimplements 50% of jquery
Jul 26 23:42:33 <chrisa> and is turing complete
Jul 26 23:43:11 <zsoc> at least it would avoid the race conditions i
Jul 26 23:43:14 <zsoc> 've been running into
Jul 26 23:43:23 <bpadalino> chrisa, i thought node.js was all about the backend .. whereas jquery is about the DOM
Jul 26 23:43:42 <chrisa> Don't get all js lippy on me
Jul 26 23:44:03 <zsoc> hahaha
Jul 26 23:44:21 <bpadalino> !!
Jul 26 23:46:33 <bpadalino> node.js is all about event driven IO .. and good scaling ..
Jul 26 23:46:38 <bpadalino> that's what i picked up from the talk
Jul 26 23:47:14 <beelzabub> yup
Jul 26 23:47:57 <beelzabub> node.js is pretty cool from the standpoint that it provides a decent framework & it's easy to write services in it
Jul 26 23:48:20 <zsoc> What do the palm guys think about the kernel work that's been done? Adding things like compcache, etc.
Jul 26 23:48:29 <beelzabub> it's interesting
Jul 26 23:48:48 <beelzabub> we're definitely trying to review as much as possible
Jul 26 23:49:17 <zsoc> I know most of the stuff is really 'homebrew', ie: overclocking and sensors.. but I thought a few of the implementations were very stable and could be useful. Turning certain unnecessary logging off, etc
Jul 26 23:49:31 <beelzabub> the logging stuff is tricky
Jul 26 23:49:41 <beelzabub> cause we need to do post-mortem & from the field analysis
Jul 26 23:49:48 <zsoc> i know some of it is needed by rdxd
Jul 26 23:49:53 <beelzabub> i'm trying to push so that we don't log unnecessary stuff
Jul 26 23:50:33 <beelzabub> but it's difficult with so many components on the system - you don't know which log lines will be needed a priori
Jul 26 23:50:42 <zsoc> the same way unwiredben is pushing to get glib whitelisted? heh
Jul 26 23:50:51 <zsoc> yeah, i can see it's a big working machine
Jul 26 23:51:25 <beelzabub> what do you mean "get glib whitelisted"?
Jul 26 23:51:30 <zsoc> What other major implementations of node.js are there outside of what you're doing with webOS?
Jul 26 23:51:44 <beelzabub> how do you mean?
Jul 26 23:51:50 <zsoc> beelzabub: right now pdk apps can't dynamically link GLib, even tho the pdk SDL lib already uses it
Jul 26 23:52:16 <zsoc> I'm just curious is there is another major project or application framework that is using node.js that I would recognize
Jul 26 23:52:35 <beelzabub> i dunno - jump on #node.js & ask
Jul 26 23:52:42 <beelzabub> it's a pretty active list
Jul 26 23:52:50 <zsoc> I'll poke around :>
Jul 27 00:13:49 <halfhalo_T400> what about node?
Jul 27 00:14:58 * halfhalo_T400 hearts node
Jul 27 00:30:50 <rwhitby> OK, time to switch over to the app-launcher-advanced-configuration-for-app-launcher patch
Jul 27 00:31:39 <Anivrom> saw that today rwhitby, looked interesting. Might get it.
Jul 27 00:33:19 <Kyusaku> it's a very robust patch
Jul 27 00:33:38 <Anivrom> Did you make it?
Jul 27 00:34:13 <Yoppo> I think I am responsible for that patch :)
Jul 27 00:34:19 <rwhitby> Yoppo made it.  It makes about 10 other patches obsolete.
Jul 27 00:34:20 <Anivrom> :P nice.
Jul 27 00:36:05 <rwhitby> I gotta work out how to get save/restore to save the config though
Jul 27 00:38:32 <Yoppo> the patch adds quickLauncherCfg and appLauncherCfg keys into the system preferences if that helps
Jul 27 00:38:54 <Yoppo> they hold the configuration for the settings  that patch allows to control
Jul 27 00:40:20 <Yoppo> the latest system menu patches also have the configuration for visible menu items and they are saved too into system preferences, it would be nice to have save/restore support for them too ;)
Jul 27 01:54:57 <b3ll> hey can one use scratchbox2 on osx?
Jul 27 01:55:20 <cryptk> well, it is designed for linux I believe
Jul 27 01:56:52 <b3ll> yea I really do not want to install linux just to recompile vba :P
Jul 27 01:56:56 <b3ll> for 1.4.5
Jul 27 01:57:25 <Tibfib> can you use virtual box?
Jul 27 01:57:30 <b3ll> yep
Jul 27 01:57:38 <b3ll> lol hi tibfib :P
Jul 27 01:57:38 <cryptk> do it in there
Jul 27 01:57:43 <b3ll> alrighty
Jul 27 01:57:51 <b3ll> dztWill : you there?
Jul 27 02:01:27 <dtzWill> b3ll: hey. almost missed me, i only get pinged on 'dtz' or variants thereof :)
Jul 27 02:01:37 <b3ll> ahaha
Jul 27 02:01:44 <b3ll> sorry will remember that for next time
Jul 27 02:02:11 <b3ll> dtz : is there anything I can do atm to get vba going on 1.4.5?
Jul 27 02:02:18 <b3ll> i checked out the git
Jul 27 02:02:33 <dtzWill> b3ll: you can *build* it but it's setup to use sb2 to build.
Jul 27 02:02:48 <dtzWill> b3ll: and i'm using the 2010q1 toolchain, although only small changes to get it to build normally
Jul 27 02:02:52 <b3ll> yea, but will building 1.1.2 solve the crashing?
Jul 27 02:03:08 <dtzWill> b3ll: depends what you want. i can just GIVE you a binary/ipk for the 1.4.5 beta
Jul 27 02:03:14 <b3ll> yes please :)
Jul 27 02:03:25 <dtzWill> b3ll: i don't really have an official program but if you just wanna play then that's probably best
Jul 27 02:03:30 * Tibfib would like one as well :)
Jul 27 02:03:33 <b3ll> works fine for me
Jul 27 02:03:43 <b3ll> I'll eventually get the toolchain going on osx
Jul 27 02:03:57 <Anivrom> dtzWill: what is the issue with 1.4.5, why does it break vba
Jul 27 02:03:58 <dtzWill> b3ll: i, err, would backup your vba directory (in /media/internal) for now
Jul 27 02:03:59 <b3ll> i jsut dont really have time tonight
Jul 27 02:04:05 <b3ll> will do
Jul 27 02:04:07 <dtzWill> Tibfib: okay i'll ship you one too :)
Jul 27 02:04:19 <b3ll> ya what happens?
Jul 27 02:04:40 <Anivrom> Assuming it has something to do with PDK
Jul 27 02:04:59 <dtzWill> Anivrom: well mostly I just needed to update it for the pdk.  small things from just marking the 'this app will use this much memory' field which was trivial to reconstructing the rom selector b/c they changed the way you do a few things
Jul 27 02:05:27 <Tibfib> dtzWill: thanks. It's my most played game. I'd hate to not be able to play it in 1.4.5
Jul 27 02:05:39 <b3ll> ^^ agreed thank you very much for it
Jul 27 02:05:43 <dtzWill> so vba'd spawn multiple cards under the new scheme and then one would render black... etc
Jul 27 02:05:54 <dtzWill> i don't rem all the cahnges, git log and whatnot :)
Jul 27 02:06:04 <Anivrom> Yea I heard of that issue from someone else, can't remember who though
Jul 27 02:06:12 <dtzWill> but i'm making it faster, etc, you know while i'm at it...i missed working on vba :)
Jul 27 02:06:19 <dtzWill> Tibfib: do you have 1.4.5 presently?
Jul 27 02:06:30 <dtzWill> to be clear the new ipk will *only* work on 1.4.5, unfortunately.
Jul 27 02:06:41 <Tibfib> dtzWill: not yet, but it would be nice to have when it ships
Jul 27 02:06:54 <dtzWill> Tibfib: well hopefully I'll have it in some feed by then :)
Jul 27 02:06:55 <Tibfib> ...err IF it ships
Jul 27 02:07:17 <b3ll> umm question ill shutup with the noobness in a sec :P why is it im getting an ipkg log error unreversed patch detected
Jul 27 02:07:18 <b3ll> 10:06 PM
Jul 27 02:07:22 <b3ll> :P
Jul 27 02:07:24 <Anivrom> lol
Jul 27 02:07:52 <b3ll> I cant remove or update it
Jul 27 02:07:58 <Anivrom> which patch?
Jul 27 02:08:09 <b3ll> no screen auto-off
Jul 27 02:08:14 <Tibfib> dtzWill: oh okay, I'll wait for the release of 1.4.5 and if there's not a vba update available I'll pester you :P
Jul 27 02:08:38 <dtzWill> Tibfib: for sure. I'll happily post what I have then. no reason it wouldn't be on a testing feed at the least.
Jul 27 02:08:49 <b3ll> i'll still ask for that ipk :P
Jul 27 02:09:40 <dtzWill> b3ll: yes. 1 sec. make sure you backup your stuff because i'm working on it and the reason it's not in a feed was i'm not ready for a release.
Jul 27 02:09:52 <b3ll> i'm used to hackery ;)
Jul 27 02:09:54 <dtzWill> b3ll: so i don't want your stuff to die and have you lose yours saves :(
Jul 27 02:09:57 <dtzWill> b3ll: kk
Jul 27 02:10:01 <b3ll> im just new to webos
Jul 27 02:10:08 <b3ll> and ipkg
Jul 27 02:35:37 <b3ll> anyone knowlegable with cell internals?
Jul 27 02:36:46 <bpadalino> like in the baseband ?
Jul 27 02:37:03 <bpadalino> i think it's all qualcomm, so all the basic qualcomm stuff applies
Jul 27 02:37:17 <b3ll> basically I just want to have edge on my pre
Jul 27 02:37:37 <b3ll> bell canada offers 7 bucks for wap browsing, so I just wanna forward that to the prebrowser / throughout
Jul 27 02:38:00 <Anivrom> b3ll: where in canada are you?
Jul 27 02:38:16 <b3ll> ontario
Jul 27 02:38:20 <Anivrom> Where
Jul 27 02:38:39 <b3ll> london
Jul 27 02:38:49 <Anivrom> ah
Jul 27 02:38:52 <Anivrom> <-- hamilton
Jul 27 02:39:09 <b3ll> very nice
Jul 27 02:39:14 <b3ll> will visit sometime perhaps :P
Jul 27 02:39:17 <Anivrom> :P
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