**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 27 02:59:56 2010 Jul 27 03:38:26 I'm trying to build WIDK, and for both armv6 and armv7, I get aclocal-1.9 command not found errors Jul 27 03:41:23 hborders: is that when you make stage? Jul 27 03:41:28 yes Jul 27 03:41:43 I get the errors in libsndfile Jul 27 03:42:58 hborders: do you need that specific package for any reason? Jul 27 03:43:30 No, but I removed that makefile and lots of other stuff needs it. I'm just curious if there is a fix in place, or if the directions on the wiki are wrong Jul 27 03:43:53 removing that Makefile won't fix anything Jul 27 03:44:18 well, i thought it would skip building that component Jul 27 03:44:23 lemem check it out Jul 27 03:44:27 hborders: do you have some 'aclocal' installed? Jul 27 03:44:34 and then that trickles across the system and I got annoyed and came here. Jul 27 03:45:11 dtzwill: I installed ubuntu 10.4 LTS desktop (rwhitby told me to), and followed the WIDK wiki directions Jul 27 03:45:37 hborders: what does 'aclocal --version' do? Jul 27 03:45:54 dtzwill: 1.11.1 Jul 27 03:46:03 hmm same here. Jul 27 03:47:46 hborders: can you give us the exact error? Jul 27 03:47:53 maybe pastebin some output? Jul 27 03:48:33 cryptk: yes, doing it now Jul 27 03:50:34 http://webos.pastebin.com/Zr6rtqz3 Jul 27 03:50:54 It just sat there doing nothing for like 5 minutes, so I interrupted its aclocal Jul 27 03:54:31 those are fine Jul 27 03:54:44 you only need those if you edit files that are used by automake Jul 27 03:54:50 things like configure.ac and whatnot Jul 27 03:55:07 so should I not have interrupted? Jul 27 03:55:27 hrm... one sec Jul 27 03:55:40 do this Jul 27 03:56:09 sudo apt-get install automake Jul 27 03:56:30 already have the latest Jul 27 03:56:37 (just did it) Jul 27 03:56:45 sorry for all the rejoins Jul 27 03:56:52 did you do it before or after the errors? Jul 27 03:57:09 muesli: np, internet problems? lol Jul 27 03:58:09 cryptk: hacking on an irc client... needed some real live channels to debug something, tho Jul 27 04:02:42 just did it, it was already at the latest. Jul 27 04:02:42 i'm re-running "make stage" now Jul 27 04:02:42 and I'm hung at the same spot again Jul 27 04:02:42 ok Jul 27 04:02:42 also you can run paralell makes to speed things up, but I will show you how after we find if this problem keeps happening Jul 27 04:02:42 because it makes it harder to debug Jul 27 04:02:43 woo hoo split Jul 27 04:02:44 so should I let this set, or interrupt it? Jul 27 04:02:44 did it stop again? Jul 27 04:02:45 no, it just sits on the following lines: http://webos.pastebin.com/5x571cCF Jul 27 04:15:01 for all intents and purposes it is Ubuntu 10.04 with a different skin on it Jul 27 04:18:59 hborders: oh, you're on the correct side too :) Jul 27 04:23:22 hborders: did you do sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade Jul 27 04:23:34 yup Jul 27 04:23:41 and then reboot (for the kernel change since you just Ubuntu) Jul 27 04:23:53 s/just/just installed/ Jul 27 04:23:54 cryptk meant: and then reboot (for the kernel change since you just installed Ubuntu) Jul 27 04:24:28 ok, I did this yesterday, and got nothing Jul 27 04:24:32 I just did it now and got something Jul 27 04:24:38 so I'll restart after its done Jul 27 04:24:43 ok Jul 27 04:24:52 I'll probably have to kill and try it again tomorrow...getting late for me Jul 27 04:24:54 if you did it right after you installed you should have gotten a bunch Jul 27 04:24:55 thanks for your help tho Jul 27 04:25:07 yeah, I did right after I installed Jul 27 04:25:20 but like I said, I left it for a month and came back last week Jul 27 04:25:22 and you got no packages to update? Jul 27 04:25:25 ahh Jul 27 04:25:41 yeah, aftere you get all updated see if you still have the problem Jul 27 04:26:08 I did it through the GUI Jul 27 04:26:20 either way works Jul 27 04:26:22 it said it had security updates, so I ran the GUI updates Jul 27 04:26:38 I use aptitude, it is kind of like a GUI but at the command line Jul 27 04:28:19 i'm re-running. looks like I still get the error Jul 27 04:28:21 same thing Jul 27 04:29:08 oh well. thanks for your help. I'll try again later Jul 27 07:01:37 morning Jul 27 07:01:57 Good :) Jul 27 07:45:53 rwhitby: Good evening! In the mood to field a few questions on that error I wrote about yesterday? Jul 27 07:48:31 Goyena: sure Jul 27 07:48:42 what new information do you have? Jul 27 07:49:41 rhwitby: I posted on the PC forums to see if anyone else had the issue, but got nothing. Shoulda done it in tbe preware thread, mebbe. Jul 27 07:50:03 rhwitby: (1) device reset, no effect Jul 27 07:50:37 rhwitby: (2) uninstall, device reset, then reinstal with bootstrap through Term, doesn't work either. Jul 27 07:51:08 and what is the exact error string? Jul 27 07:51:46 rhwitby: it's a notification: "Preware: error writing Saved Package..." Jul 27 07:52:02 (its 'rwhitby' BTW) Jul 27 07:52:34 rwhitby: the "..." is from me. It hits the edge of the screen Jul 27 07:53:17 rwhitby: sorry. First time in IRC. Am using copy/paste in wIRC. Your megs are in red. Is that because it's a private mesg? Jul 27 07:53:40 "Preware: Error writing Saved Package List" ? Jul 27 07:53:42 Does using "rwhitby:" make it a private msg? Jul 27 07:53:47 no Jul 27 07:54:25 rwhitby: I'm assuming so, (that "list" is part of the message), but I an't expand the notification Jul 27 07:54:48 Goyena: what is the output from "df" on the Linux command line of your device? Jul 27 07:55:03 I'm in the Saved Package List scene. The error pops up after I hit the update button. Jul 27 07:55:23 List updates, then error. Jul 27 07:55:42 rwhitby: Hm...go to term and type df? Jul 27 07:56:31 yes Jul 27 07:56:38 df /var Jul 27 07:56:50 disk free. ah. Jul 27 07:56:52 one sec Jul 27 07:57:42 19% Jul 27 07:58:39 mount | grep store-var Jul 27 07:59:04 "ext3 (ro" or "ext3 (rw" ? Jul 27 08:01:13 argh meeting. back in an hour! Jul 27 08:01:20 will try Jul 27 08:01:30 sqlite3 /var/palm/data/Databases.db .dump | grep preware Jul 27 08:02:42 * rwhitby bbl Jul 27 08:04:26 woot, got my screen lock working Jul 27 08:13:31 had to edit /etc/environment to remove a line that was disabling the screen lock Jul 27 08:13:43 now blue proximity actually serves a purpose Jul 27 09:11:19 the modem on the pre is connected internally using usb? Jul 27 09:11:33 hi everyone ,) Jul 27 09:14:58 hi Jul 27 09:31:00 bbl Jul 27 10:19:29 rehi Jul 27 10:20:34 anyone got a clue what i can do when i get "modem wakeup timeout" in dmesg, and pre got no 2g/3g connection at all ( no signall strength, no data, no telefone calls - "telephone offline" in upper left corner) Jul 27 10:25:06 modem is kaputt? Jul 27 10:25:45 one thing you could try is to enable/disable airplane mode Jul 27 10:31:32 swisstomcat: tried several times. Jul 27 10:32:08 using quick system tasks, i tried to enable phone radio - i can't. It stays off (after giving me feedback that it tries to siwtch it on) Jul 27 10:32:11 the modem wakeup timeout seems strange Jul 27 10:34:34 swisstomcat: yes. for me it sounds as whether the internal modem were not responding... Jul 27 10:35:03 maybe it's broken Jul 27 10:35:06 what happened? Jul 27 10:36:54 i had problems on the weekend to get connected using 2G Jul 27 10:37:08 ok Jul 27 10:37:14 today morning i was able to surf using 3G, and phone using 2G Jul 27 10:37:28 i put it off, refittet the sim card, put it on again Jul 27 10:37:34 it worked till 10'o clock Jul 27 10:37:37 was chatting (icq) Jul 27 10:38:00 and from one moment to the other, no signal strength reading in the upper right, "telefon offline" in the upper left Jul 27 10:40:58 looks like something is kaput .. or the sim? Jul 27 10:41:29 sim is working in different phone... no sim still "offline" (at leas 112/911 should work...) Jul 27 10:41:41 yea, looks like i need to contact o2 support Jul 27 10:41:49 should i doctor the phone back to factory first? Jul 27 10:42:42 before repairing it? Jul 27 11:17:46 rwhitby: Helloooo, Rod. Jul 27 11:20:53 swisstomcat: interesting... PmModemUpdater -v detects the modem, shows me its umts Jul 27 11:21:04 hmm Jul 27 11:38:07 i'm worried Jul 27 11:38:10 doctor fails Jul 27 11:38:18 :/ Jul 27 11:38:24 hangs at 4% Jul 27 11:38:28 seems it can't boot... Jul 27 11:38:29 ouch. Jul 27 11:38:50 now i'd really like to know what i've done to this poor phone Jul 27 11:39:25 what's you do to make you wanna doctor it? Jul 27 11:39:28 power-off with the usb-plugged in, hold volume-up and power on ... you should see an USB-symbol Jul 27 11:39:54 ^yea^ Jul 27 11:40:53 DThought: did you try cleaning the sim contacts in the pre? Jul 27 11:42:35 yes, i did Jul 27 11:42:49 but i wasn't ablte to call 112/911 with no sim card inside Jul 27 11:42:53 swisstomcat: yeah, am in bootie Jul 27 11:43:05 try the doctor again? Jul 27 11:43:09 telling bootie to recharge the phone atm Jul 27 11:43:19 swisstomcat: same error, did try doctor 3 times Jul 27 11:43:35 what's the error at 4%? Jul 27 11:43:53 "telephone has been disconnected" Jul 27 11:44:19 i think, it should boot the memboot image provided by the doctor at that stage... and fails to boot (palm not glowing) Jul 27 11:44:24 do an image backup of your phone with meta-doctor and then return the device for repairs Jul 27 11:44:40 hmm Jul 27 11:45:12 sbromwich: could sr71 be an cause for errors like that? i had it on the phone (phone not booting) by mistake last week... Jul 27 11:45:21 did memboot to stock kernel to recover Jul 27 11:48:44 the phones modem stopped working today Jul 27 11:48:55 and now i've got the feeling its not booting at all Jul 27 11:48:57 DThought: if you've overheated a component and it's blown that could be an explanation Jul 27 11:49:13 have you done a battery pull to completely drain all current? Jul 27 11:49:30 sbromwich: well, the phone WORKED till today... Jul 27 11:49:57 so i'm not sure wheter its realted to last week - and i did not leave it on Jul 27 11:50:00 ah Jul 27 11:50:03 and palm is glowin, normal boot Jul 27 11:50:05 *phew* Jul 27 11:50:36 sbromwich: i did a battery pull today a couple of times, yes Jul 27 11:50:44 (to clean sim contacts i had too) Jul 27 11:51:56 but still - telefone offline Jul 27 11:52:31 i can't even enter telephone settings (where i would select carrier or whatever) Jul 27 11:56:31 luna is booting ok though? Jul 27 12:02:36 luna is booting okay Jul 27 12:02:41 not charging though Jul 27 12:02:59 from what i see, the modem is controlling charging. Jul 27 12:03:14 PmModemInfo does return nothing Jul 27 12:04:33 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/333664/simple-long-polling-example-code Jul 27 12:04:36 ups Jul 27 12:05:03 /var/log/messages is filled with errors from TelephonyInterfacelayer -- ERROR=modemlinkerror Jul 27 12:09:22 DThought: bad news - I was unable to fix a device which had a similar problem. Jul 27 12:10:00 rwhitby: any clue what could be the source of the problem? Jul 27 12:10:02 Goyena: still around? Jul 27 12:10:47 rwhitby: Yes. 14:10 for me here. Jul 27 12:11:00 DThought: I suspected either a bad connector (which I tried to fix but it seemed fine) or a fatal modem firmware problem Jul 27 12:11:24 Goyena: what is the answer to the commands I posted Jul 27 12:12:01 (check the logs if you didn't see them - logs.nslu2-linux.org) Jul 27 12:12:07 two SQL insert statements to Origins and Databases Jul 27 12:12:42 check the file that that points to Jul 27 12:12:47 anyone know how to type an underscore _ on an AZERTY palm in Terminal app? Jul 27 12:13:21 rwhitby: modem firmware is what i did suspect, why i tried to doctor... but doctor doesnt boot the pre. Weird. Jul 27 12:14:06 doctor can't fix if the modem can't be contacted by the kernel over internal usb Jul 27 12:14:29 novaterm in during doctor and check dmesg or messages Jul 27 12:14:49 rwhitby: the doctor did not even boot. it did hang at 4% Jul 27 12:15:31 doctor should always memboot from recovery mode Jul 27 12:15:32 PmModemUpdater -v shows me that my modem firmware has been compiled on 12.5.2010 Jul 27 12:15:56 yeah. it should.... Jul 27 12:15:59 weird. Jul 27 12:16:10 well. I'm out of time soon, gotta recheck later or tonight Jul 27 12:16:25 but i see me making a package to O2 , glad the phone is less than 6 month old Jul 27 12:16:48 make sure you remove everything first Jul 27 12:17:11 persist with the recovery mode doctor Jul 27 12:18:38 INSERT INTO “Origins” VALUES(‘file_.media.cryptofs.apps.use.palm.applications.org.webosinternals.preware 0’, 1048576); Jul 27 12:18:48 INSERT INTO “Databases” VALUES(34,’file_.media.cryptofs.apps.use.palm.applications.org.webosinternals.preware_0’,’packageDB’,’packageDB’,1048576,’0000000000000022.db’); Jul 27 12:19:50 rwhitby: G2 is me on a desktop. It's a work computer, so I can't SSH over to my Pre; gotta use Terminal. Jul 27 12:20:35 rwhitby: G2 is me, Goyena. In the last INSERT above, 'packageDB' appears twice as typed, and there are 14 zeroes before the 22.db. Jul 27 12:20:51 that looks like it is correct Jul 27 12:23:09 Odd, I checked the live logs for this IRC and it seems wIRC is dropping responses. Jul 27 12:25:42 If we can't find a solution, what does this mean? Save/Restore can't pick up an new copy of my Saved Package List? Jul 27 12:30:02 correct Jul 27 12:30:46 it's a plain mojo depot which is returning an error. not much else we can do. Jul 27 12:31:00 rwhitby: It works now. Don't ask me why. I'll give you a play-by-play of my actions with Preware since yesterday if you're curious. Jul 27 12:32:37 (Sometimes even if I found a solution, I'm bothered more if I don't know why it happened.) Jul 27 12:33:53 I only did a few Luna restarts between yesterday (uninstall Preware, device reset, reinstall) and today. Jul 27 12:34:34 I just installed FreeTether and FreeTetherD to mess around, and tried to save the package list and got a success notification "Preware: Wrote Saved Package List" Jul 27 12:40:29 weird Jul 27 12:40:38 let me know if it breaks again Jul 27 12:49:18 :-) Jul 27 12:49:27 Good night. Jul 27 17:50:01 anyone has a replay.sav file in /media/internal and knows which program belongs this file? Jul 27 18:30:15 oil: you around? Jul 27 18:31:28 wirc on 1.4.5 is awesome Jul 27 18:31:46 loving it, seems to be a bug though with swiping away dcc file sends Jul 27 18:32:18 volcom45, did you see the trac for wirc? Jul 27 18:32:35 i dont follow Jul 27 18:32:40 trac? Jul 27 18:32:50 bug reporting system. Jul 27 18:32:53 ah Jul 27 18:32:57 no Jul 27 19:02:42 lol, great name Jul 27 19:03:31 there are a few... Jul 27 20:14:27 Anyone of you got this error during make stage? Jul 27 20:14:51 *** Required DotConf library missing! See INSTALL . Jul 27 20:14:51 make[3]: *** [build/armv7.built] Fehler 1 Jul 27 20:14:51 make[3]: Verlasse Verzeichnis '/srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/apps/speechd' Jul 27 20:15:40 However I've installed libdotconf1.0 and libdotconf-dev. Jul 27 20:43:54 ~seen jhojho Jul 27 20:43:55 guess infobot is on the other side of the Great Divide Jul 27 21:56:05 hi all! I am new to mobile dev, is it easy to jump in with the pdk docs but use widk? or should I learn the pdk first? Jul 27 21:59:27 well, if you are already used to programming in C, then the WIDK would be a great choice Jul 27 21:59:30 if you don't know Jul 27 21:59:41 if you don't know C yet, I would probably try the PDK Jul 27 21:59:49 but either way you are going to need to know how to code Jul 27 21:59:54 cryptk how difficult is the widk coming from objective c Jul 27 21:59:57 if you just want to do simple apps, use the SDK Jul 27 22:00:09 music oriented apps Jul 27 22:00:14 audio units and such Jul 27 22:00:17 b3ll: never tried it with the WIDK, but I know that the PDK makes it pretty easy Jul 27 22:00:26 perfect Jul 27 22:00:51 I have read stories online of people porting iPhone apps (Obj C) to the Pre in a matter of days Jul 27 22:01:13 yea specially ea and such Jul 27 22:01:17 galacon was done in 3 days Jul 27 22:01:22 so I'm looking into this :) Jul 27 22:02:36 yeah, I would say if you are porting from Obj C go with PDK, if you are writing from scratch WIDK Jul 27 22:03:00 the nice thing about WIDK is you can write your code using whatever tools you want, the WIDK just handles the cross compilation to ARM Jul 27 22:05:25 hmm, ok. coding in c I can handle, at least simple data structures and algorithms, but i'm not so fast at debugging yet :-) Jul 27 22:07:02 what I like with the PDK is its xcode plugin Jul 27 22:07:18 if you are writing C and you have an IDE that you like (eclipse or whatever) then use the WIDK, it makes the cross compilation a snap Jul 27 22:07:18 ...i've got to get comfy with gdb Jul 27 22:07:24 and you can add more libraries to it easily Jul 27 22:07:33 IDE bah humbug Jul 27 22:07:38 does it support llvm? Jul 27 22:08:14 chrisa: lol... my IDE is vim Jul 27 22:08:54 b3ll: we use sb2 for the cross compilation and standard GNU tools Jul 27 22:09:00 ahh okay Jul 27 22:09:03 autoconf, make etc Jul 27 22:09:08 my IDE is emacs-nox over ssh Jul 27 22:09:11 yea i need to learn that Jul 27 22:09:16 btw is anyone here knowlegable with the pre's radio Jul 27 22:09:24 what part of it? Jul 27 22:09:26 The kernel/etc group here is basically split between vim, people who swore off kscope for vim, and kscope Jul 27 22:09:34 I cant afford data Jul 27 22:09:41 haha Jul 27 22:09:42 so I want to get edge connection on my prepaid pre Jul 27 22:10:08 from what I understand I just need to forward bells traffic to the pre's mobile browser Jul 27 22:10:16 there are device menu patches that you can use to toggle between 3G/EVDO 1x and no data I believe Jul 27 22:10:32 oh you can do that via a hash code Jul 27 22:10:35 ##data# Jul 27 22:11:41 kscope wasn't bad, but then the author went off the deepend and killed any features it had Jul 27 22:11:52 and it depended on libs debian stopped shipping. Not worth the effort Jul 27 22:12:09 ahh Jul 27 22:12:18 but I mean I want to know if its possible to "hack" http://snapplr.com/139r Jul 27 22:12:25 if i pay for the service to use on my pre Jul 27 22:12:27 also vim just kind of works better if you are comfortable with its cscope plugin Jul 27 22:12:41 the big draw to the WIDK is that you can easily add any libraries that you need Jul 27 22:12:52 as im on prepaid, yet that's based for "non-smartphones" Jul 27 22:13:05 b3ll: which carrier is this? Jul 27 22:13:09 bell mobility Jul 27 22:13:28 Maybe have a chance with bell, american carriers would tell you to drop dead Jul 27 22:13:37 looool they said the same thing Jul 27 22:13:44 but if i add it via text message I can Jul 27 22:13:53 I just want to know if its possible to actually use the traffic Jul 27 22:14:21 afaik they just lift the charges on anything accessed on port 80, but if I want to use email clients, don't they use 443? Jul 27 22:19:48 for $15 bell will give you unlimited internet on any regular voice plan (must have a pre) Jul 27 22:22:17 really? Jul 27 22:22:21 i thought that expired Jul 27 22:28:01 the rep confirmed it for me in store last week. the only reason I didn't bite was my need for a full hardware subsidy, and the $35 plan was cheaper. Jul 27 22:32:07 hmm so what would my plan be? Jul 27 22:32:15 lowest i could go with? Jul 27 22:36:15 you could try and get it added to a corporate plan, but this would be difficult, maybe impossible. maybe a retention plan? or grandfathered? but regular plans start at 30ish and son't give you much Jul 27 22:36:45 gotta go, good luck! Jul 27 22:39:48 thanks! but they're closed :\ grr Jul 27 22:47:53 hmm this new facebook client link is pointing to the old stuff Jul 27 22:48:03 yea i noticed that Jul 27 22:48:09 #tempfail Jul 27 22:48:40 maybe they'll fix it in a little while. I'll do something else like play with the new turbo that installed in my car :) Jul 27 22:48:51 LOL Jul 27 22:49:00 you should get a blowoff valve Jul 27 22:49:28 turbo's usually have one of some sort, either a BOV or a diverter valve Jul 27 22:49:30 I some kind of blow off but I don't know if it's the blow off valve or not Jul 27 22:49:35 either way it's off topic :) Jul 27 22:49:36 diverters are better but quieter Jul 27 22:49:44 lol Jul 27 22:49:44 I *hear*.... Jul 27 22:49:54 i love the sound of it Jul 27 22:49:58 the *hiss* Jul 27 22:50:05 you can hear diverters also, just not as loud Jul 27 22:50:08 it's more percussive actually Jul 27 22:50:20 ok, recycling some dirty oil :) Jul 27 22:50:32 <==== auto zone Jul 27 22:51:15 variable waste gate. Jul 27 22:52:03 waste gates are great for limiting the boost, but not for the pressure spike that happens when you snap the throttle shut Jul 27 22:52:27 bhuey what car? Jul 27 22:54:40 anyone know if I'd be able to hack a 12mp camera into the pre Jul 27 22:54:44 since the chipset supports it? Jul 27 23:08:15 b3ll: even if you got the physical camera into it, software calibration and tweaking takes a significant amount of effort Jul 27 23:08:28 mmm so not worth the effort? Jul 27 23:08:31 It's not unusual to have 1-3 people working full time for the life of a project on just the camera software Jul 27 23:08:49 :\ Jul 27 23:09:18 lets see how the pdk likes xcode4 Jul 27 23:42:28 Ouch, looks like Jason got his twitter account hacked. Jul 28 00:02:10 So, thoughts on Preware public release. Anyone having any problems with 1.2.6 ? Jul 28 00:03:07 * oil doesnt Jul 28 00:11:17 I haven't had any problems with 1.2.6 Jul 28 00:44:03 Preware 1.2.6 is released to the public feeds Jul 28 00:44:20 anyone here able to test the public feed update from 1.1.4 ? Jul 28 00:45:48 looks like a bug in the feeds or something Jul 28 00:46:09 I'm able to update to the new facebook beta app via an sms message instead Jul 28 00:49:12 woot facebook beta link is fixed Jul 28 00:50:10 land scape mode rocks Jul 28 00:51:52 yes please Jul 28 00:51:58 now to fix vkb :P Jul 28 01:12:58 is there any vnc servers for the pre? Jul 28 01:13:03 are* Jul 28 01:13:24 vnc servers? Jul 28 01:13:34 as in remote desktop? Jul 28 01:13:36 yea Jul 28 01:13:36 not that I know of Jul 28 01:13:41 so i can vnc into my pre Jul 28 01:13:59 what are you trying to accomplish (just curious) Jul 28 01:14:09 just view my palm pre's screen on my macbook Jul 28 01:14:12 and control it Jul 28 01:16:02 theres an sdl one Jul 28 01:16:06 somewhere Jul 28 01:16:15 someone had an sdl vnc working, can't remember the guys name Jul 28 01:16:18 without chroot? Jul 28 01:18:42 zsoc: i mean not vnc into the debian chroot, vnc into the pre from my macbook Jul 28 01:19:50 oh Jul 28 01:19:56 no i don't think that's possible Jul 28 01:19:56 ever Jul 28 01:20:06 why not? the iphone has it Jul 28 01:20:29 because there's no native support to do anything in/to Luna Jul 28 01:20:57 ahh, security reasons? Jul 28 01:21:55 because palm would have to release it? Jul 28 01:22:03 Luna is not opensource Jul 28 01:23:14 well we do have uinput zsoc :P Jul 28 01:25:02 egaudet: that's a stretch Jul 28 01:25:49 meh why Jul 28 01:25:50 b3ll: if you use...shit, what was it. x11vnc? and point it not at an x11 instance but at /dev/fb0 you can SEE your pre's screen remotely :D Jul 28 01:26:09 combine that with uinput and you're in busines :P Jul 28 01:26:16 (errr i assume uinput does something like it sounds) Jul 28 01:26:42 b3ll: it won't display games, but will work for luna and js apps like mail/cal/etc Jul 28 01:26:53 THANK YOU dztWill Jul 28 01:26:58 oh wait Jul 28 01:27:03 x11 doesnt work on 1.4.5 :\ Jul 28 01:27:14 b3ll: i understand that, you don't need x11 at all Jul 28 01:27:23 just it was the x11vnc binary that had the option to read from a framebuffer iirc Jul 28 01:27:32 other vncservers might as well, shrug Jul 28 01:27:57 any idea why xterm isn't working for 1.4.5? Jul 28 01:28:01 ill look into that :) Jul 28 01:28:41 b3ll: lots of ideas, and most of them probably are right. but needs time to fix, and I haven't had enough of that lately Jul 28 01:28:47 well uinput a lone isn't going to do much Jul 28 01:29:07 but that would be an interesting project Jul 28 01:29:20 egaudet: uinput can generate events identical to hardware ones? shouldn't be too hard to work that into the vncserver Jul 28 01:29:26 egaudet: does it work for mouse events? Jul 28 01:29:59 so wait Jul 28 01:30:01 dtzWill, yeah but the only extra thing is hidd listens to symlink'd input devices Jul 28 01:30:05 am I compiling x11vnc for the pre? Jul 28 01:30:22 so you just have to "steal" thsoe symlinks (like I do for keyboss) so that you hidd will start accepting your user generated input Jul 28 01:30:38 egaudet: ah. and then ..normal events don't work, is that what you mean? Jul 28 01:30:40 I haven't verified the mouse/touchscreen though Jul 28 01:30:59 egaudet: what's keyboss? (sounds familiar). status? sounds interesting Jul 28 01:31:18 dtzWill, well if you just stole the symlink it wouldn't. In keyboss I read the actual input device and then send them into the uinput device I re-linked along witha ny additional stuff I want Jul 28 01:31:19 b3ll: uhhh I guess, you could try it, but it'd be your project with you leading the way :) Jul 28 01:31:27 egaudet: nifty. Jul 28 01:31:38 dtz wait then what would I be doing Jul 28 01:31:50 compiling the binaries for osx, and then pointing it at the pre? Jul 28 01:31:50 egaudet: does that tie into some kinda c-based virt keyboard? Jul 28 01:32:25 dtzWill, KeyBoss is a project I started to gain more control over the keyboard, it currently is an app/service that allows you to use double-tap key for function, hold-key for capital, control the keyboard repeat rate, and the service has an emulate key method Jul 28 01:32:33 which allows VKB to inject hard key events into Luna Jul 28 01:32:44 b3ll: unfortunately i'ts significantly more complicated than that. chroot+apt-get insatll is probably easiset Jul 28 01:33:02 oh wait Jul 28 01:33:03 b3ll: what's your cross-compilation experience like? Jul 28 01:33:05 b3ll: anyway it's not a perfect solution, and you'd be responsible for working to make it work Jul 28 01:33:14 rwhitby im learning now, no exp atm Jul 28 01:33:32 err not that no one wants to help just that no one *necessarily* is there, new territory, etc Jul 28 01:33:44 "@webosinternals hey, do you know how to capture your screen? i mean screenshot on palm pixi" Jul 28 01:33:51 egaudet: that's excellent. Jul 28 01:33:54 dtz doesn't matter to me, I like this stuff, just need to point me in the right direction, so basically chroot + apt-get install x11w.e Jul 28 01:34:06 egaudet: can we combine that with writing to the framebuffer while luna's runnig to get a keyboard of sorts? Jul 28 01:34:07 then ssh into my pre and use the chroot to view luna? Jul 28 01:34:31 b3ll: yeah, and maybe some port forwarding in there, or at lesat attention to what interface you have it listening on. Jul 28 01:34:42 (and adjust the firewall accordingly, don't really remember) Jul 28 01:34:46 i could try usb Jul 28 01:34:49 dtzWill, what do you mean? Jul 28 01:34:50 and use novacom directly Jul 28 01:35:08 I haven't explored the framebuffer at all Jul 28 01:36:26 obtw dtz can I install a wm using the debian chroot? Jul 28 01:36:29 or does that require x11 Jul 28 01:36:56 egaudet: well fbdraw that ships with the pre (i think it was fbdraw) lets you scribble on the framebuffer directly, which might be useful Jul 28 01:37:05 b3ll: requires x11, unfortunately. Jul 28 01:37:25 DAMNIT, fk you 1.4.5 Jul 28 01:38:11 dtzWill, well I don't think we need to write directly to the framebuffer, unless we wanted to do stuff on the homescreen I suppose Jul 28 01:38:21 yea Jul 28 01:38:25 i do want to do that Jul 28 01:38:33 egaudet: that was what i was thinking, if a bit ..challenging. Jul 28 01:38:47 egaudet: but first steps first and we'd probably have bad redraw issues, etc Jul 28 01:39:59 someone should try it for a live homescreen :P Jul 28 01:40:56 one guy was trying with animated gifs or something Jul 28 01:41:26 can't one use an html as a background? Jul 28 01:54:55 having trouble unzipping nova term to the sdk bin. any help would be greatly appreciated **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 28 02:59:56 2010