**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 30 02:59:57 2010 Jul 30 03:30:20 hi all Jul 30 03:30:50 Err hi? Jul 30 03:31:39 hello Jul 30 03:32:11 is the webos-internals wiki kept up to date? Jul 30 03:32:24 yes Jul 30 03:32:30 Yup Jul 30 03:32:36 ok Jul 30 03:32:56 I've checked it off and on for a while now, and it feels like it doesn't change, but maybe I'm looking in the wrong spots Jul 30 03:33:22 Yup prolly. Jul 30 03:35:00 I didn't mean to come in and be all "FIX YER WIKI" Jul 30 03:35:29 Lol, its all good. Jul 30 03:36:24 anyone can edit the wiki, if you feel something is out of date, change it Jul 30 03:36:39 I've been following webos/webos-internals since the beginning, but never had a device Jul 30 03:37:03 Kyusaku: I don't, I was just curious Jul 30 03:37:53 there's a lot of depreciated articles on the wiki, but a lot of the key articles are mostly kept up to date Jul 30 03:38:16 is most of the "hey, here's a new homebrew app" stuff done at precentral? Jul 30 03:38:56 generally Jul 30 03:39:14 mmk Jul 30 03:40:07 there are rumors that SERO might be able to use the Pre within a couple months, so now I'm seriously starting to look again Jul 30 03:40:19 even some of the more complex projects do have threads for feedback and bug reporting Jul 30 03:45:11 how drastically do the overclocking/custom kernels affect battery life? Jul 30 03:48:33 nothing too drastic there is even overclocking profiles that only overclock when the screen is active. Jul 30 03:49:05 is the extended battery by seidio worth it? Jul 30 03:49:09 also some of the work on the kernels are meant to improve battery life Jul 30 03:49:34 I've had both a centro and an htc touch (running android), and bought extended batteries for both Jul 30 03:50:12 is there any indication that there will be new hardware at some point? Jul 30 03:50:25 also, if these questions are not related to here, point me elsewhere :) Jul 30 03:50:53 extended batteries add an hour or 2 to the life Jul 30 03:51:26 precentral probably has plenty of threads on these topics Jul 30 03:52:00 oh, yeah, I suppose that makes sense Jul 30 03:52:16 Hardware continues to be suggested as part of a future roadmap that Palm has but no immediate form factors confirmed Jul 30 03:52:34 lot of talk about slates Jul 30 03:52:46 right, I've seen that talk Jul 30 03:52:55 slates don't help me in the "new phone" arena Jul 30 03:53:24 I'm really liking the hardware specs of the newer android devices Jul 30 03:53:34 I'm half expecting new hardware to come with WebOS 2.0 Jul 30 03:54:18 which, based on current numbering, isn't for a while? Jul 30 03:54:52 expected in the fall Jul 30 03:55:20 are there any rumors? or is it just a gut thing? Jul 30 03:55:20 they're skipping 1.5 and the rest Jul 30 03:55:29 it was announced Jul 30 03:55:40 oh they are? Jul 30 03:55:45 I missed that Jul 30 03:55:47 by Jon Rubinstein and others Jul 30 03:56:19 there will be a lot of changes on the back-end Jul 30 03:56:50 the Palm Developer day had a lot of details on the changes to expect in the backend services Jul 30 03:56:57 Kyusaku: when did he say they are skipping versions? Jul 30 03:57:58 hey rwhitby Jul 30 03:58:04 rwhitby: well I haven't head any direct word but with an expected release date on fall on 2.0 and the rate of releases on versions as of late Jul 30 03:58:24 Kyusaku: who said the release date for 2.0 ? Jul 30 03:58:25 I don't really expect a 1.5 to hit before 2.0 Jul 30 03:58:53 Palm Developer Day said Fall Jul 30 03:59:08 Palm Developer day did not mention 2.0 Jul 30 03:59:38 did Rubistein say Fall in that Q&A the other day? Jul 30 03:59:47 not that I heard Jul 30 04:00:08 I'll have to check back Jul 30 04:00:20 this is the way that PreCentral front page expectations get unrealistically set ... Jul 30 04:00:32 maybe he just said they had 2.0 coming up Jul 30 04:00:37 yes, he said thta Jul 30 04:00:49 but coming up means any time from today forward to 2015 Jul 30 04:01:40 I suppose but considering they've been hesitant about announcing anything unless it'd definite, seems like it would be much sooner Jul 30 04:02:00 why? Jul 30 04:02:24 he's announced a future version number (no suprise that some future version will be called 2.0) Jul 30 04:02:32 in essence, he announced nothing Jul 30 04:04:22 (CEO's are trained to announce things without actually announcing things :) Jul 30 04:05:34 considering the overhaul they're doing, it would seem logical they'd do a bit of a version jump like the next expected version of Android after Froyo is expected to be 3.0 Jul 30 04:06:03 I would expect both a 1.5 and a 2.0 Jul 30 04:06:30 1.5 with the stuff they announced at the developer day, and 2.0 for new hardware at an unspecified future date Jul 30 04:07:13 (BTW, "fall" for me is 7 months away) Jul 30 04:07:40 (which just continues to show how US-centric Palm still is) Jul 30 04:09:14 while US is left in the dust when it comes to 1.4.5 Jul 30 04:09:29 yeah seriously what's the deal Jul 30 04:09:50 ;( Jul 30 04:10:25 that just shows the power that US carriers have over manufacturers in that market Jul 30 04:15:06 we should give them a spanking Jul 30 04:15:13 and then make the next palm phone out of aluminum Jul 30 04:15:30 and then spank them with that Jul 30 04:15:52 torchie: did you buy a subsidised phone under contract? Jul 30 04:15:54 I suppose you want the antenna to only be in one spot also Jul 30 04:16:14 rwhitby: yeah I did, I'm a slave to them Jul 30 04:16:33 well technically this pre was unsubsidized Jul 30 04:16:40 give yourself a spanking then Jul 30 04:16:51 ey what can i do Jul 30 04:16:57 people probably want a carbon fiber Pre after Rahul Sood bragging about some of Voodoo's history with HP Jul 30 04:17:08 god a carbon fiber phone would be the truth Jul 30 04:17:15 meh Jul 30 04:17:31 carbon fiber and magnesium and titanium and all kinds of metal Jul 30 04:17:43 carbon fiber phones are usually just laminates not real CF Jul 30 04:17:48 but make the screen overlay plastic, because you know what's cool Jul 30 04:17:51 screens that don't shatter Jul 30 04:18:07 now a fully CF car. that's drool worthy Jul 30 04:18:09 torchie: you can demand to buy a full price unlocked GSM device Jul 30 04:18:58 yeah but then you still have to pay for the service Jul 30 04:19:13 and it's not like all the phones can just hopscotch from T-mo to AT&T willy nilly Jul 30 04:19:47 yep. that's the power that consumers buying subsidised phones and not making the regulators require transportability has caused Jul 30 04:20:03 I think Rahul made a point that the casing on the Voodoo envy was completely carbon fiber not just laminated. I'd have to listen to the podcast he did again Jul 30 04:20:18 you can't blame the carriers for taking every advantage that the consumers and government hand them on a plate ... Jul 30 04:20:33 CF on a computer is also silly. Jul 30 04:20:46 well just CF of course Jul 30 04:20:47 no functionality Jul 30 04:20:54 cuz we need magnesium and titanium and stainless steel too Jul 30 04:21:09 and sapphire keyboard keys ohhhhh yesssss Jul 30 04:21:24 why not just get a vertu then? Jul 30 04:21:42 it doesn't run webOS! Jul 30 04:22:23 and it doesn't have a gyroscope. Jul 30 04:22:32 if you can afford one, I'm sure they can figure something out Jul 30 04:23:24 think they do custom orders? Jul 30 04:23:39 if you cant , this is a pointless conversation, Jul 30 04:24:09 jhowirc: remember, you're on IRC ;) Jul 30 04:24:23 touche Jul 30 04:24:34 ;o Jul 30 04:25:59 torchie: when you are rich, it's not a matter if it is possible, it becomes a matter of when can I get it. Jul 30 04:26:16 :o Jul 30 04:26:30 so that's why people get money! Jul 30 05:22:42 Yea, and he went to chew his fone but the vibrator was on the couch too. Thats when his other girlfriend walked in the front door. Jello was everywhere! Jul 30 05:23:55 sry guys, ^that^ was another convo... lol Jul 30 07:05:44 morning Jul 30 07:07:40 morning Jul 30 07:09:12 morning.. Jul 30 08:03:04 yesterday i found a weird file on my pre - a file ".+" in /media/internal , containing a ZIP file signatur and hundreds or thousands of files with aabdab or similar names. Jul 30 08:03:26 i'm sending my pre in for repair right now, but does anyone has a similar file on his/hers pre? Jul 30 08:03:48 DThought: /media/internal/.palm perhaps? Jul 30 08:04:08 rwhitby: no /media/internal/.+ Jul 30 08:04:17 i'm off to ship my pre in... Jul 30 08:04:29 Do you use Save/Restore or Internalz ? Jul 30 08:04:54 actually, it can't be Save/Restore Jul 30 08:07:21 someone stealing info? Jul 30 08:07:36 just read that the other day Jul 30 08:08:15 some android wallpaper app was collecting all sorts of personal data and sending to a server in china Jul 30 08:08:27 yeah Jul 30 08:20:22 rwhitby: save/restore, internalz - both of them Jul 30 08:20:35 i must look at that file more closely Jul 30 08:20:49 jhowirc: yes, thought about bad-behaving app, too Jul 30 10:09:08 anyone using navit? could you check whether you see an file ".+" (point and plus sign) in /media/internal ? Jul 30 10:09:28 i'm using navit Jul 30 10:09:35 let me check Jul 30 10:10:35 its a weird 120MB file i found on my pre yesterday... talked about that earlier today Jul 30 10:10:48 yeah, heard about it Jul 30 10:10:55 did you look at it? Jul 30 10:11:01 no such file here Jul 30 10:11:06 it contains thousands of files like "adbdabddbccacd" Jul 30 10:11:12 and what's in those files? Jul 30 10:11:30 its a PKzip , can't be unpacked by normal zip for me, but busybox-unzip can unzip most of the files Jul 30 10:11:43 most are empty Jul 30 10:11:54 the other contain binary data intermangled with text Jul 30 10:12:06 could be street names or such Jul 30 10:12:18 thats why i thought navit Jul 30 10:12:31 elll.. got stuff to do Jul 30 10:12:35 thanks for looking Jul 30 10:13:44 strange Jul 30 12:12:26 Morning Jul 30 12:18:29 hi Jul 30 12:18:50 Kinda quiet Jul 30 12:19:17 it's early in the morning for most Jul 30 12:19:21 (not in europe) Jul 30 13:18:39 hi Jul 30 13:19:19 ciao Jul 30 13:19:24 ciao :D Jul 30 13:20:27 anyone know a web framwork to create website looks like webos ? Jul 30 13:20:39 similar to preware.org Jul 30 13:21:25 hmm Jul 30 13:21:33 find out who created it and ask him Jul 30 13:23:20 mm no info on the site ... Jul 30 13:23:53 yeah Jul 30 13:23:59 ask here as soon as everyone is awake Jul 30 13:24:08 i have found some framework, iwebkit, jqtouch, iui ..... but all this fw looks like iphone ... Jul 30 13:25:06 and i dont know where i can find the image of the palm pre theme ... and i'm not really good with graphic Jul 30 13:59:56 darkmagister: apparently templarian did it Jul 30 14:00:14 ? Jul 30 14:01:01 ooo ok :D Jul 30 14:01:10 thanks Jul 30 16:14:48 hey guys...just posted a forum link, but wondering if anyone here can help... I seem to have lost all Default Applications on my pre... well, the apps are there, just the option for the defaults are gone (for phone, email, maps, web links, etc). any ideas of what i can do to fix? Jul 30 16:15:59 hmm Jul 30 21:30:54 hello. Jul 30 21:31:37 I've lost my data on sprint. Does anyone know the aaa and ha passwords? Are these publicly available? Jul 30 22:48:36 anyone use emapthy for irc? Jul 30 22:49:08 or xchat, irrsi, pidgin Jul 30 22:50:29 hello? Jul 30 22:50:56 shit im in webos sorry guys. im an idiot. meant to be in ubuntu. Jul 30 23:15:20 His questions would have been dumb for #ubuntu as well, hm Jul 30 23:35:29 Audemars02: run the emergency mimetable reset tool and then reboot Jul 31 00:07:01 anyone using the blackbird 1.2ghz 1.4.1-84 kernel? Jul 31 00:07:54 it runs great on my pre, battery life suffers alot (as to be expected) Jul 31 00:08:59 i went from 100% at 7am and was at 11% by 1230pm Jul 31 00:09:24 Why would you use something with such awful battery life? Jul 31 00:09:25 very mild usage, screen state 500-1.2 Jul 31 00:09:36 to test it Jul 31 00:10:10 but i did roam for a bit so that probably didn't help Jul 31 00:11:00 both 800mhz uberkernel and f105 1.005ghz had very acceptible battery life, under same conditions Jul 31 00:11:32 (i roam a bit on base) Jul 31 00:12:03 was just curious if anyone else had similar experience. Jul 31 00:12:31 or if -78 was superior for battery life Jul 31 00:13:42 change log showed voltage tweaks since -78 so thats why i asked Jul 31 00:14:05 but i realise im just talking to myself now, so i'll stop Jul 31 00:14:43 lol, i was absently listening if it means anything... Jul 31 00:14:50 lol Jul 31 00:17:16 shhhhh. new SR71 coming that allows user manual voltage selection Jul 31 00:17:28 its a secret Jul 31 00:21:46 it would be sweet if I had a chuck norris pre :-( Jul 31 00:30:02 rwhitby - i did... didnt help Jul 31 01:22:12 anybody who can tell me,why SDL_SetVideo can't call twice in the same program? Jul 31 01:22:59 ? Jul 31 01:25:22 it will cause LunaSysMgr crash.. Jul 31 02:14:16 anybody who can help me? Jul 31 02:15:11 I port cps2emu on pre Jul 31 02:16:43 the cps2 game emulator Jul 31 02:19:07 but the SDL_SetVideo() can't call twice in the program with PDK **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 31 02:59:57 2010