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Aug 06 03:02:51 <socker25> how do i download preware?
Aug 06 03:02:58 <bsiegel> wusaint: when is that?
Aug 06 03:03:53 <wusaint> bsiegel: should be up tomorow morning.
Aug 06 03:04:14 <bsiegel> ah, maybe i will lend a hand if I have a little free time
Aug 06 03:04:29 <socker25> a friend of mine told me by downloading preware to my phone it will allow me to access a better apps
Aug 06 03:04:50 <socker25> any idea how to download it?
Aug 06 03:05:06 <Anivrom> socker25: googling it
Aug 06 03:05:30 <Anivrom> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware
Aug 06 03:05:34 <Anivrom> I meant google it
Aug 06 03:05:37 <Anivrom> but I did it for you
Aug 06 03:05:45 <socker25> thanks
Aug 06 03:05:46 <Anivrom> scroll down to installing preware
Aug 06 03:05:48 <bsiegel> I think you can also use the installer at http://get.preware.org/
Aug 06 03:41:42 <wusaint> ## Spaz Hackathon 5: @SPAZ IN THE HOOD ##
Aug 06 03:41:43 <wusaint>  away 3 Palm Pre Plus devices for AT&T to largest contributors to Spaz webOS codebase since July 1.
Aug 06 04:27:41 <lolwut_> Um, anyone knows how to find themes? I just installed the new version of preware...
Aug 06 04:29:48 <lolwut_> Is everyone dead?
Aug 06 04:30:03 <halfhalo> yes
Aug 06 04:33:49 <rwhitby> what did the splash screen say?
Aug 06 04:38:36 <lolwut_> Splash screen?
Aug 06 04:42:14 <rwhitby> the one in preware on which you clicked 'I've read this' ...
Aug 06 04:42:27 <rwhitby> what did it say?
Aug 06 04:47:15 <Anivrom> LOL
Aug 06 04:47:30 <Anivrom> rwhitby: thats like holding someone to a eula...
Aug 06 04:49:04 <rwhitby> except the splash screen has useful information ...
Aug 06 04:52:22 <Anivrom> to the end user its just 1 more roadblock between them and ub3r 4pp5
Aug 06 04:59:55 <whoolio> hi...im in webos quick install and it won't recognize the device
Aug 06 05:00:08 <whoolio> can any one make a suggestion?
Aug 06 05:00:11 <Anivrom> make sure you're not in usb mode
Aug 06 05:00:11 <whoolio> im on a mac
Aug 06 05:00:16 <Anivrom> just chage
Aug 06 05:00:17 <Anivrom> charge
Aug 06 05:02:19 <whoolio> thers a setting for theat?
Aug 06 05:02:43 <Anivrom> when you plug in your device to the computer
Aug 06 05:02:48 <Anivrom> on teh phone it gives you 2 options
Aug 06 05:02:53 <Anivrom> just charge is one
Aug 06 05:03:26 <whoolio> nope...i just get somethign that comes up and says charging battery
Aug 06 05:03:33 <whoolio> i don't think i have the right cable
Aug 06 05:03:36 <whoolio> maybe
Aug 06 05:03:39 <Anivrom> cable doesn't matter
Aug 06 05:07:24 <whoolio> is there any other way to install an app?
Aug 06 05:07:33 <whoolio> it doesnt have the crhage/usb option
Aug 06 05:11:39 <Anivrom> well if you can't get the device to recognize then you can't install preware
Aug 06 05:11:47 <Anivrom> So I suggest googling it a little more
Aug 06 05:11:56 <Anivrom> whoolio: see above
Aug 06 05:12:16 <whoolio> i am...hoping there was an easier fix...im at palm now
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Aug 06 08:32:47 <jhojho> s/indicatior/indicator/ =)
Aug 06 08:33:33 <jhojho> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10436218-1.html
Aug 06 08:33:39 <jhojho> see the iphone screenshot
Aug 06 08:35:20 <cdm> ahhh -- yes.
Aug 06 08:35:36 <jhojho> not a huge deal but useful
Aug 06 08:35:36 <cdm> funny -- I ran the team at Apple that did that...
Aug 06 08:35:41 <jhojho> lol
Aug 06 08:35:47 <cdm> back when we built our own headset.
Aug 06 08:35:56 <cdm> they gave it to Aliph a couple of years later.
Aug 06 08:36:11 <jhojho> full circle
Aug 06 08:36:21 <cdm> small valley
Aug 06 08:42:56 <jack87> hola
Aug 06 08:43:05 <jack87> rwhitby, you are out here right
Aug 06 08:43:48 <rwhitby> out where?
Aug 06 08:48:46 <cdm> way out there
Aug 06 08:52:46 <jack87> haha!
Aug 06 08:53:19 <jack87> I am just up figured i bug someone and since you are in Australia figured you were not a sleep
Aug 06 09:23:51 <blackswan> i want to write a simple app that grabs stuff from the calendar and displays it. is this even possible? it looks like it might not be.
Aug 06 09:28:52 <ShadeS> well apple's os is vuln to having applications be able to access personal data like fone numbers and  calendar events
Aug 06 09:29:05 <ShadeS> I'm pretty sure that 'functionality' is enabled for the pre
Aug 06 09:31:45 <blackswan> it looks like the calendar service won't let an app access events it didn't create
Aug 06 09:32:10 <blackswan> and the html5 database objects appear to be accessible only to the apps that created them
Aug 06 09:32:33 <blackswan> so i guess i'll have to do something naughty to make it work.
Aug 06 10:27:01 <swisstomcat> hey
Aug 06 13:31:28 <jettero> drnull: ;)
Aug 06 13:31:35 <drnull> jettero: greets
Aug 06 13:34:06 <drnull> so... LunaDownloadMgr from 1.4.1 and 1.4.5 are not as close in size as I had hoped.  357k vs 360k.
Aug 06 13:34:28 <drnull> the reason I thought of those files immediately is this: There's a comparison in there for the "location" http header
Aug 06 13:34:39 <drnull> and I'm guessing that it was a strcmp instead of a strncmp
Aug 06 13:34:47 <drnull> That's the problem that affects drPodder re: libsyn downloads.
Aug 06 13:41:41 <drnull> Ok, I've done this in the past (back in my tivo-hacking days) but I'm a little foggy on the memory.  You run the binary through objdump, then try to find a strcmp that references the "location" string that is defined later.  Seems like if we could find that one spot where a stricmp should be used instead, everything would be happy.  :)
Aug 06 13:56:09 <jettero> heh
Aug 06 13:56:28 <jettero> that'd be super leet if you could figure that out.  I'm sure it's possible, but I haven't dug around in elfs by hand since about 2001
Aug 06 13:56:40 <drnull> I'm a bit rusty too.  :(
Aug 06 13:57:03 <jettero> I would be digging around right now if I weren't trying to finish 3 hobby projects before the baby (aug20)
Aug 06 13:57:11 <jettero> no sleep means no hobby projects...
Aug 06 13:57:42 <drnull> congrats!  After 6 months life in my new-baby-household has finally settled down enough that I can get back to my hobbies too!
Aug 06 13:58:03 <drnull> s/ life in/,/
Aug 06 13:58:04 <infobot> drnull meant: congrats!  After 6 months, my new-baby-household has finally settled down enough that I can get back to my hobbies too!
Aug 06 14:00:16 <drnull> oh drat.  strace only traces System calls.  I want ltrace, which isn't on the emulator by default.  Maybe there's a optware rendition of ltrace I can pull down...
Aug 06 14:30:13 <drnull> *sigh* well that doesn't seem efficient, nor is it anywhere near as easy to patch.  the 1.4.5 LunaDownloadMgr does "tolower" on each of the header lines before comparing them.  So instead of just simply changing a library call from a strcmp to a stricmp or something simple like that, you'd have to find room, insert new code, yadda yadda.
Aug 06 14:30:26 <drnull> Hopefully 1.4.5 will actually be released before I could find time to do that.  :)
Aug 06 15:16:20 <jettero> drnull: I'd have tried to fix it myself (months ago) if it wasn't for 1.4.5 looming immanently (allegedly); perhaps it's worth working on if only so that murphy's law will kick in and deploy 1.4.5
Aug 06 15:42:20 <bsiegel> (x-post from #webos) Wondering if anyone else has this issue. 1.4.1 with a Sprint Pre. When I type quickly and press @, v, b, or comma followed quickly by a space, the space does not get typed.
Aug 06 15:42:51 <bsiegel> It's been annoying me for a while but I never bothered to track down the precise behavior that causes the space to be missed before now.
Aug 06 15:47:59 <shorty_> hello all :)
Aug 06 15:51:32 <egaudet> bsiegel: interesting, maybe a bug in hidd
Aug 06 15:58:09 <drnull> bsiegel: I bet that's intentional - notice that any other key next to another one operates the same way
Aug 06 16:01:02 <bpadalino> fat finger filter ?
Aug 06 16:01:07 <en0x> cdheh
Aug 06 16:01:29 <en0x> i had my pixi in airplane mode for past few days and today when i picked it up after few days... i noticed that preware is gone :S
Aug 06 16:02:47 <error_empire> Hi all!
Aug 06 16:03:02 <error_empire> I tried to build WIPDK.
Aug 06 16:03:15 <egaudet> might be intentional but comma isn't all that close to space
Aug 06 16:03:23 <error_empire> Up to now I got build errors during speechd.
Aug 06 16:03:45 <error_empire> "*** Required DotConf library missing! See INSTALL..."
Aug 06 16:04:00 <egaudet> although all adjacent keys behave the same way
Aug 06 16:04:10 <error_empire> So I moved speechd to the nonworking directory.
Aug 06 16:04:28 <error_empire> Now if I try to build again (make stage) I get this error:
Aug 06 16:05:26 <error_empire> "make[2]: *** Keine Regel vorhanden, um das Target »build_apps/speechd«, "
Aug 06 16:05:28 <error_empire> Which means "no rule to exists to build Target "build_apps/speechd""
Aug 06 16:06:05 <error_empire> I know I could edit the Make file and remove this target.
Aug 06 16:07:27 <error_empire> Respectively why is speechd not by default in the nonworking directory.
Aug 06 16:08:01 <error_empire> Nevertheless I wonder how this could be ever build.
Aug 06 16:10:05 <error_empire> May be I got something wrong, but as it is a cross-compiling environment the local libraries won't be used so this problem should appear also on other systems.
Aug 06 16:21:31 <halfhalo_class> its quite.... to quite.....
Aug 06 16:25:52 <error_empire> I moved navit to nonworking, up to now it seems to work. Anyway, do anyone out there use the WIDK?
Aug 06 16:25:57 <error_empire> ;-)
Aug 06 16:31:23 * halfhalo_class doesn't
Aug 06 16:31:27 * halfhalo_class sticks to mojo stuff
Aug 06 16:37:29 <bsiegel> drnull: Ahh, that's a good theory. Except that comma is a ways away from the spacebar and period (which works fine) is right next door... Maybe someone put a comma when they meant a period
Aug 06 17:14:20 <diov> is it possible to write to a specific record in a sql database that your app didnt create?
Aug 06 17:25:08 <nightburn> Well my bad ESN palm pre plus showed up last night. I'm in the process of disassembling it to transplant my sprint pre's radio board into it
Aug 06 17:25:11 <nightburn> good times
Aug 06 17:39:19 <diov> is it possible to write to a specific record in a sql database that your app didnt create?
Aug 06 17:40:33 <nightburn> diov, i don't see why not\
Aug 06 17:41:11 <nightburn> although databases do have usernames and passwords
Aug 06 17:41:54 <diov> nightburn how would i go about doing this
Aug 06 17:43:44 <nightburn> do you have the username and password to the database?
Aug 06 17:49:07 <diov> nightburn yes
Aug 06 17:51:28 <nightburn> im assuming you're trying to do this through novacom on your pre or something?
Aug 06 17:54:42 <diov> nightburn trying to do this automatically with my app on device
Aug 06 18:03:23 <egaudet> I don't believe you can do that from Mojo
Aug 06 18:04:43 <diov> +egaudet its homebrew so i was thinking i could use a filemgr service or a webos internals service for it
Aug 06 18:06:34 <egaudet> I don't think there's any existing services that provide sql stuff
Aug 06 18:06:47 <egaudet> the only current database stuff I believe is in save/restore shell scripts
Aug 06 18:07:04 <diov> +egaudet so I'm pretty well out of luck for now?
Aug 06 18:07:23 <egaudet> you could write a service
Aug 06 18:08:11 <diov> +egaudet I don't think I'd even know where to start :p
Aug 06 18:10:55 <halfhalo_class> ewwww
Aug 06 18:10:58 <halfhalo_class> services
Aug 06 18:11:46 <halfhalo_class> Lets see how cherokee server works in the real world.... wanna see how well load balancing for both mysql and cgi stuff acts
Aug 06 18:12:08 <diov> yea
Aug 06 18:17:17 <halfhalo_class> woops... accidented a prefix to it
Aug 06 18:23:55 <nightburn> phhhtt. it only took like 2 hours to get the first comm board out
Aug 06 18:24:02 <nightburn> hopefully this next one goes faster
Aug 06 18:39:38 <nightburn> haha getting out the second comm board only took me 15 minutes!
Aug 06 18:54:53 <nightburn> doctoring my new sprint pre plus now :)
Aug 06 19:19:59 <nightburn> halfhalo_class you here ?
Aug 06 19:32:44 <halfhalo_class> no
Aug 06 19:35:06 <halfhalo_class> whaddabreak
Aug 06 19:37:10 <nightburn> it activated but won't sign into my palm profile
Aug 06 19:40:04 <halfhalo_class> its just sitting there spinning, right?
Aug 06 19:40:19 <nightburn> It spins and then says it failed
Aug 06 19:40:33 <halfhalo_class> which options did you use with metadoctor?
Aug 06 19:40:56 <nightburn> ENABLE_DEVELOPER_MODE = 1
Aug 06 19:40:56 <nightburn> AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE  = 1
Aug 06 19:40:56 <nightburn> ENABLE_TESTING_FEEDS  = 1
Aug 06 19:40:56 <nightburn> DISABLE_UPLOAD_DAEMON = 1
Aug 06 19:40:56 <nightburn> REMOVE_CARRIER_CHECK  = 1
Aug 06 19:40:56 <nightburn> REMOVE_MODEL_CHECK    = 1
Aug 06 19:41:41 <halfhalo_class> ah.  for some reason I think the preware auto install makes it hiccup.  Build it with carrier check, model check, bypass activation and first use
Aug 06 19:41:49 <nightburn> was i supposed to bypass carrier activation or first use app?
Aug 06 19:42:06 <halfhalo_class> I did purely because I have no signal
Aug 06 19:42:15 <nightburn> how will i sign into my provile without the first use app ?
Aug 06 19:42:23 <halfhalo_class> you run it afterwards
Aug 06 19:44:38 * halfhalo_class facepalm
Aug 06 19:44:48 <halfhalo_class> forgot to setup subdomains in dns....
Aug 06 19:44:55 <nightburn> Once i make the proper adjustments to my "Makefile" i should be able to just run:
Aug 06 19:44:56 <nightburn> make DEVICE=pre pack-sprint
Aug 06 19:44:59 <nightburn> right ?
Aug 06 19:45:36 <halfhalo_class> if you ran a doctor with tokens you don't need them anymore, so you can just go make all-sprint
Aug 06 21:04:57 <nightburn> halfhalo_class: I've done what you said, everything is syncing up now (apps are downloading from the app catalog), im not seeing sprint nav, sprint tv, etc. Do you have a way of getting these back ?
Aug 06 21:05:29 <halfhalo_class> I did a clean doctor after making sure my profile was good which solved that problem
Aug 06 21:06:28 <nightburn> so at this point really i should stop it from downloading shit then do a clean doctor again since I'll have to re-download everything aftewards anyways
Aug 06 21:06:37 <halfhalo_class> yeah
Aug 06 23:21:32 <jhojho> looking for people with pixis willing to risk it and able to memboot
Aug 06 23:21:36 <jhojho> msg me
Aug 06 23:37:47 <bhuey> funny Hurd resigning
Aug 06 23:38:02 <bhuey> wouldn't surprise me if he was a cocaine addict as well
Aug 06 23:47:41 <chrisa> jhojho: what changes?
Aug 06 23:47:49 <jhojho> ?
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