**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 07 02:59:57 2010 Aug 07 07:23:52 is anybody there? Aug 07 12:15:46 doe anybody know how, after doctoring a system that had/has preware on it, to auto reinstall all the patches? :( Aug 07 12:16:05 i thought emergency patch installer would do it, but it gives me an error. Aug 07 12:16:47 "NOTE: NO PATCHES FOUND" Aug 07 12:17:11 but ".webosinternals.patches.packages" is full of the list of patches i had in before doctoring. Aug 07 12:18:04 anyone in here? Aug 07 12:21:26 rwhitby ? Aug 07 12:30:47 ?? Aug 07 12:37:42 i guess i crashed. Aug 07 12:37:44 anybody home? Aug 07 13:08:02 boo Aug 07 15:26:57 webOSLover, Emergency Service Enabler is for after doctoring. Aug 07 15:55:36 spaz hackathon starts in 5 minutes. if anyone wants to help the cause please visit #spaz Aug 07 16:00:05 details can be found here in my article http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/08/calling-all-devs-spaz-hackathon-5-saturday/ Aug 07 16:29:18 does anyone know how I can change the value of a togglebutton after its already been set Aug 07 16:29:58 diov: value Aug 07 16:30:12 this.controller.get("togglebutton").value = Aug 07 16:30:37 might have to call modelChanged() after as well Aug 07 16:31:38 Anivrom|devMode so this.controller.get("toggleButton").modelChanged()? Aug 07 16:34:26 no Aug 07 16:34:56 Anivrom|devMode what would it be then? Aug 07 16:37:13 this.controller.modelChanged(this.model); Aug 07 16:44:53 this.controller.get("toggleButton1").value = true; this.controller.modelChanged(this.model); it doesnt worjk Aug 07 16:45:37 diov, you have to substitute this.'model' with whatever the name of your model is for your widget you are trying to update Aug 07 16:48:43 thanks :) Aug 07 16:48:48 did it work? Aug 07 16:50:09 trying it now Aug 07 16:51:54 no didnt work Aug 07 16:52:07 you should really switch to #webos Aug 07 16:52:14 more developers there Aug 07 16:52:20 or try googling it Aug 07 16:52:21 first Aug 07 16:52:44 ok Aug 07 18:02:01 hey guys, i think i did the stupidiest thing with my pre Aug 07 18:02:13 looking if someone could help me Aug 07 18:03:16 i was doctoring my pre and at the middle of the process my computer shut down, now the pre stays at the glowing palm forever, almost an hour now Aug 07 18:03:26 oh boy Aug 07 18:03:29 redoctor? Aug 07 18:04:55 i tried, but my pc doesnt recognize the pre and i know about the special function that you press the volume up and then plug it into the pc, but guess what, my volume up key doesn't work Aug 07 18:05:02 i hate my self right now Aug 07 18:05:47 can novaterm connect ? Aug 07 18:05:48 dont know what else to do, i dont want to lose my pre Aug 07 18:07:08 nop, neither quickinstall, i dont think the pre is in developer mode.... Aug 07 18:09:59 any other ideas, please??? Aug 07 18:16:27 mandaman2k: ramboot and recovery Aug 07 18:17:13 ummm, how do i do that? Aug 07 18:19:31 mandaman2k: very carefully :P try googling it Aug 07 18:22:10 tmzt, Anivrom|devMode: do you mean to do this? http://bit.ly/ckBZhB Aug 07 18:47:22 mandaman2k: yeah, why the short link? Aug 07 18:47:45 i dont know, jejeje, less crowded, jejeje Aug 07 18:48:41 tmzt: do you think i can make it work on a live distribution of ubuntu, i dont have a installed linux on my computer right now Aug 07 18:48:56 you should be able to make it work on anything Aug 07 18:49:02 I can't help you with this Aug 07 18:49:07 ohh, even on windows?? Aug 07 18:49:18 but you can at least bootram a kernel and see if that works Aug 07 18:49:20 I don't know Aug 07 18:49:50 mandaman2k ubuntu can do anything Aug 07 18:51:54 ok, good, i'll try it Aug 07 18:52:01 thanks Aug 07 21:14:50 Hi all, does anyone know if this steps can be done from windows 7, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery#OMAP_boot_Procedure Aug 08 00:35:54 is there any way to edit /etc/passwd? accidentally messed it up (set wrong/nonexisting shell for root) and now neither terminal nor SSH work anymore.. Aug 08 00:36:06 Internalz provides only a viewer for textfiles Aug 08 00:40:32 novaterm will give you a root shell automatically i am pretty sure Aug 08 00:45:12 bpadalino: ok, thx... it actually worked using novaterm + sed ... Aug 08 00:45:22 neat Aug 08 00:45:47 btw: does anyone know whether there's a vim or at least nano/pico for WebOS available somewhere? Aug 08 00:45:59 that's one of the basic system utilities i'm still missing Aug 08 00:46:34 cat/sed/awk does mostly the job, but i have to confess: i feel that vim is more comfortable ;) Aug 08 00:48:02 vi should be on there as a busybox executable Aug 08 00:48:31 ah, was looking for vim all the time... ok.. still better than cat/sed/awk :) Aug 08 00:52:43 my next item on the WebOS TODO list: i'd really love to have also support for CalDAV/CardDAV/GroupDAV in Synergy... does anyone know, if the current Synergy plugins (Google, Exchange, Yahoo) are available somewhere in the filesystem as .so, so i could use them for some basic reverse-engineering? Aug 08 00:52:56 couldn't find anything usable yet ;( Aug 08 01:01:56 Damn, my phone just reset itself. Now I am reinstalling the applications. Aug 08 01:02:17 My patches are still installed but the directories are gone. What should I do? Aug 08 01:04:26 eliasp: i believe the google/exchange stuff is in java classes .. which are soon to be replaced by other stuff Aug 08 01:04:48 Mark_M: that's why i'm just setting up rsnapshot... killed my data 2 weeks ago when trying to use /dev/mapper/store-media as a boot-record for my laptop... ;-/ Aug 08 01:04:53 check the jars and get jd-gui for decompiling the class files in the jars Aug 08 01:05:35 bpadalino: ok, this helps me a lot, thx! Aug 08 01:05:45 n Aug 08 01:05:46 np Aug 08 01:05:50 I'm going to have to schedule regular rsync backups Aug 08 01:06:14 I wrote a script to do it from my Linux box automatically, but I never turned it on. Aug 08 01:06:49 It seems that most of the apps except the WebOS-Internals ones are coming back Aug 08 01:07:03 bpadalino: what will be used as a replacement for the Java stuff? plain C? Aug 08 01:07:09 I'm missing wIRC, Internalz, and terminal as far as I can tell Aug 08 01:07:22 eliasp: i believe node.js event loop IO Aug 08 01:07:49 I'm flustered on how to recover the patches. The apps are patched, but the directories are gone. Aug 08 01:08:20 I don't see Rod on yet Aug 08 01:08:23 too early probably Aug 08 01:08:23 oh, ok... even such lowlevel stuff as Exchange integration etc? i'd never thought this could be done properly in JS... Aug 08 01:08:40 So much for working on my app tonight! Aug 08 01:09:13 eliasp: node.js is an interesting project where you give JS IO capabilities and http is very much built in .. Aug 08 01:09:14 kind of neat Aug 08 01:09:44 I think I'm going to write an app that will start an rsync push backup from the Pre to the cloud. Well actually a Linux box with ssh and rsyncd. Aug 08 01:09:52 hmm, i'll have to take a look at this... is this planned for WebOS 2.0, so node.js isn't really usable yet in 1.4.5, right? Aug 08 01:10:15 not in 1.4.5, but in the next major update afterwards .. the fall update .. whichever one that ends up being Aug 08 01:11:29 Mark_M: that'd be nice... the problem of my current setup is, that rsnapshot is triggered by my backup-server and this only works, if the Pré is not "sleeping" .. so if it was a device-centric trigger, this would be better as the backup could be just triggered at a time, when the device is awake the next time within your planned backup timeframe... Aug 08 01:11:42 bpadalino: ok, great Aug 08 01:13:01 eliasp I would use at or the Pre to schedule a backup time and initiate the connection to the server either via USB or a network connection. Aug 08 01:14:32 hmm, seems the Synergy stuff is spread among a lot of different JARs... let's see what i'll find in them... http://pastebin.com/kgGT7FJB Aug 08 01:15:35 Quake and Doom are gone too! Aug 08 01:15:49 Anything homebrew will be gone mark Aug 08 01:16:14 I guess so. Aug 08 01:16:18 This is devistating Aug 08 01:17:10 I thought Preware kept a list of hb and other apps Aug 08 01:17:23 anything installed with ipkg Aug 08 01:20:18 ? Aug 08 01:21:18 This bloody reset even nuked by SQLite database! All of my notes and tasks are gone including the list of manual tweaks I made. Aug 08 01:23:36 yeah, its a reset Aug 08 01:24:20 can we blame oil ? Aug 08 01:24:24 no Aug 08 01:24:29 lol Aug 08 01:24:35 just in case Aug 08 01:24:56 Looks like a Palm problem to me Aug 08 01:25:07 problem? Aug 08 01:25:24 I switched my pre back to run at palm default and honestly, it's not that bad.. Aug 08 01:25:48 aren't the reset options supposed to... you know... reset everything? Aug 08 01:25:50 except maybe launching the camera app Aug 08 01:25:54 isn't that as-designed Aug 08 01:26:01 oil, hey, my patches are obviously still installed but the directories are gone and they are not listed in my app list from Preware. How can I recover the list of patches or do I need to do an EPR? Aug 08 01:26:20 isn't there some E** that rebuilds the ipkg list? Aug 08 01:26:30 dunno Aug 08 01:26:52 you have to ask rwhitby for that Aug 08 01:27:01 oil, but it wasn't an user initiated reset. Maybe there is an E something that I can use. I'll check after my phone finishes reinstalling the apps. Aug 08 01:27:19 but I think he is offline Aug 08 01:27:21 oil, I think that the E* looks for the directories too and they aren't there. Aug 08 01:27:38 I know. Rod isn't up yet. Aug 08 01:28:02 * oil doesn't usually deal with end-user support Aug 08 01:29:13 oil, I know, but my question is more mechanical in nature. At least this problem is prompting me to put a front-end on a backup application. Aug 08 01:29:38 mechanical? your device is physically damaged? Aug 08 01:30:03 I was using BackupPC to do backups with rsync but now I think I'm going to write an app to do a push backup Aug 08 01:30:29 backuppc? Aug 08 01:30:36 oil, by mechanical I meant asking how WebOS-Internals stores patch lists. Aug 08 01:30:53 oh, i have nothing to do with patches, lol Aug 08 01:31:21 oil just tells people about how awesome wirc 030 is Aug 08 01:31:24 oil, okay just Govnor and kernels Aug 08 01:31:31 lol Aug 08 01:31:37 I need to reinstall wIRC too Aug 08 01:31:45 wirc 030 IS awesome Aug 08 01:31:55 jhowirc, BackupPC is a Linux based backup system Aug 08 01:31:57 and i have nothing to do with kernels, thats jho* Aug 08 01:32:03 oil is also a kernal hackerz coz he is leet Aug 08 01:32:05 blame him for everything Aug 08 01:32:10 lol Aug 08 01:32:23 I use it to backup all of my machines from Windows to Linux and even WebOS. Aug 08 01:32:31 no that is marco. I noodle Aug 08 01:33:09 I know nothing about current state of linux backup tech Aug 08 01:33:39 * oil either Aug 08 01:34:57 jhowirc, I am pretty religious about backups because I have seen too many HDD failures or upgrades gone wrong. Now the mysterious phone reset. Aug 08 01:36:27 don't get me wrong. I know about backups and do them too, just not current linux backup tech Aug 08 01:37:52 i dont back up anything Aug 08 01:37:54 lol Aug 08 01:37:56 jhowirc, I like BackupPC because I can run it from any machine through a web interface and backup using anything from SMB to rsync to ftp to rcopy. Aug 08 01:38:11 It is very configurable Aug 08 01:38:24 Once you twiddle with it you can just leave it alone. Aug 08 01:38:25 but it failed in this case? Aug 08 01:39:32 jhowirc, as usual, user error. I scheduled it to backup the Pre every two weeks and I have been out of town and missed the scheduled backup. Aug 08 01:39:59 but was the last copy not good? Aug 08 01:39:59 The Pre just got back on my network this morning and hasn't been backed up yet Aug 08 01:40:41 I was under the impression that palm backup backed up notes Aug 08 01:40:59 i thought it did Aug 08 01:41:19 I tawt I saw a putty cat! Aug 08 01:41:26 someone should build a diagram of what is covered by palm backup and save/restore Aug 08 01:41:37 This was Fliq notes Aug 08 01:41:45 sounds like a good job for jhowirc Aug 08 01:41:46 jhowirc, good idea. Aug 08 01:42:06 Pizza is here. Gotta go eat. Was going out to dinner until phone puked. Aug 08 01:42:10 brb Aug 08 01:42:50 halfhalo: so i went to include your patch Aug 08 01:42:59 oil: I'm on a bus Aug 08 01:42:59 and pastie.org is 503 serice unavailable, lol Aug 08 01:44:21 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=blobdiff;f=app/models/server.js;h=a0297e3f14724955cea28a84c5c6f297e3097843;hp=435d3eda05ebce1edb2f4fd36759fee2fd8ad00b;hb=867f3288dece278b42e81ca5e2120f6aeddaedff;hpb=07ba20310a143bd3df3163d140efee93259bc71e Aug 08 01:44:23 :) Aug 08 01:44:39 ha Aug 08 01:44:50 ummm…. I dont even remember what it was Aug 08 01:44:57 unless its still in my local copy Aug 08 01:45:00 a fix for some nicklist bug Aug 08 01:45:05 or something like that Aug 08 01:45:47 Hi all, i was just wondering if someone could help install de omap3_usbloader on my linux distribution... Aug 08 01:46:11 oh god I could paste it but it wouild be horrible Aug 08 01:48:11 i'm getting a wierd error that i don't know how to trouble shoot Aug 08 01:53:28 mandaman2k: did you get your phone back up and running Aug 08 01:56:36 Anivrom: i'm still on it, i cant install the omap3_usbloader, i've installed fedora 13, got all the components i need and when i run "make" to the omap it gives me an error and cant compile Aug 08 02:04:56 here is what im getting http://yfrog.com/n3screenshotcdp Aug 08 02:32:27 does anyone have a ''phone offline'' icon? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 08 02:59:56 2010