**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 08 02:59:56 2010 Aug 08 05:05:16 Hey guys. I was installing the WIDK on Ubuntu but it seems to be getting stuck on the "make stage" part... It goes through a bunch of stuff and then says "cd . && /bin/sh /srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/media/libsndfile/build/armv6/missing --run autoconf" and stops there... Anyone have any ideas? Aug 08 05:06:48 maybe run the autoconf? Aug 08 05:07:11 Linux noob here, how exactly do I do that? :) Aug 08 05:07:14 Does it give an error message? Aug 08 05:07:35 They only thing it says is "WARNING: `automake-1.9' is missing on your system" Aug 08 05:07:52 But running "apt-get install automake" says it is installed... Aug 08 05:07:53 That doesn't seem like an enormous flag? :) Aug 08 05:08:07 install automake1.9 Aug 08 05:08:43 Let me try that now.. Aug 08 05:10:53 My phone reset. The patches are still installed but the directories were missing. I had a backup from a couple of weeks ago so I copied all of the directories back. Does anyone know how to get Preware to recognize the patches I have installed? Aug 08 05:10:57 It went farther, but now it is saying "cd . && /bin/sh /srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/media/libsndfile/build/armv6/missing --run aclocal-1.9" and not doing anything... No more warnings or errors... Aug 08 05:32:23 Hmm... When I try and run scratchbox I get this error: "ERROR: Fatal: Rule file interface version check failed: No version information in /tmp/sb2-andrew-20100807-223113.A0zrd4/rules/Default.lua" I assume it is because it didn't finish "make stage" correctly, but it doesn't show any errors-- it just freezes Aug 08 06:08:36 hellow Aug 08 12:13:18 is anyone awake in here yet? Aug 08 14:40:40 Is there a way to use zip within terminal similar to how unzip works within terminal? Aug 08 15:08:26 sure is Aug 08 15:14:04 Can you enlighten me on how Aug 08 15:27:55 google can Aug 08 15:28:13 Okay, I'll keep searching then. Aug 08 15:39:01 Does anyone know how to get the list of patches in /media/internal to be recognized by Preware and other package managers. My phone spontaneously reset yesterday and my patches are not recognized. Aug 08 15:40:39 Run the emergency reconstruction utility Aug 08 15:41:26 NachoB, I tried that and nothing happened. Aug 08 15:41:58 how much time did you give it to rebuild the list? Aug 08 15:42:38 I just let it run then updated the feeds again. Aug 08 15:42:52 Does it run in the background? Aug 08 15:43:40 It does. Aug 08 15:43:57 My feed list is intact and I restored the directories under .../applications Aug 08 15:44:36 NachoB, should I run ERU again? Aug 08 15:45:12 Somebody else should probably step in and help, I've never had to run it. Aug 08 15:47:45 Once I get my packages recostructed, I'm going to schedule nightly complete backups of my phone with rsync. Aug 08 15:48:25 NachoB, I just ran ERU again and it said that it was installed. So now it is running in the background? Aug 08 15:48:43 let me check with top Aug 08 15:49:01 yeah, it does it's thing in the background. Maybe exit Preware and restart it but I'm not sure. Aug 08 15:50:56 NachoB, I already did exit Preware. I'm going to wait for a few minutes Aug 08 15:51:32 This reset was a pain. I'm still missing some contacts that didn't sync but are in my Google Contacts Aug 08 15:51:45 All of the HB stuff was gone Aug 08 16:17:38 Mark_M: I tried to force mine to break by deleting .webosinternals.patches.packages but was unsuccessful Aug 08 16:19:40 NachoB, so you deleted the actual .webosinternals.patches. directoies and the file in /media/internals? Aug 08 16:20:23 I think that Preware keeps a list and does not verify that the packages still exist until it needs them for an undelete or update Aug 08 16:21:27 PuffTheMagic: I don't see zip in /usr/bin as I do unzip. I'm at an impasse Aug 08 16:22:32 Mark_M: not the directory, let me try that Aug 08 16:24:11 NachoB: i never said it was on the pre Aug 08 16:24:15 just that u could use it from the term Aug 08 16:24:18 like unzip Aug 08 16:24:19 NachoB, so you removed the file .webosinternals.patches.packages. Okay. I don't think that Preware uses that file except for some of the E* utilities. Aug 08 16:24:24 answered your question exqactly Aug 08 16:24:49 I just wish I knew which program would reload data from that file. I haven't seen Rod in here for a while. He'd know. Aug 08 16:28:56 PuffTheMagic: I guess it will remain the mythical unicorn for me then. Aug 08 16:30:11 if its not there u need to install it Aug 08 16:30:19 but yes u can use it via term like unzip Aug 08 16:30:29 idk why u would use zip though Aug 08 16:30:34 when u have gzip and bzip2 Aug 08 16:32:21 I guess I just want to figure out why I can't use zip. I've used both gzip and bzip2 just fine. Aug 08 16:33:19 I'm guessing the zip install via Preware doesn't install what I need. but that's the same way I installed unzip. Aug 08 16:43:49 okay, I copied zip from /media/cryptofs/app/usr/bin to /usr/bin and I'm in business. Aug 08 16:44:31 NachoB, gotta love Linux Aug 08 16:45:02 I know that fixing my problem is just a file copy or edit away if I could figure out what to do. Aug 08 16:50:17 Mark_M: yeah, the only Linux stuff I do is on my Pre. Aug 08 16:53:43 Mark_M: I'm not affraid to learn, some things just aren't that obvious to a Linux novice Aug 08 16:54:04 NachoB, I have been using *nix for over 20 years. Aug 08 16:54:19 That Aug 08 16:54:31 That's why I can navigate the Pre easily. Aug 08 16:54:39 Mark_M: Never had to use it prior to my Pre Aug 08 16:55:14 NachoB, OSX is built on BSD *nix Aug 08 16:55:55 Mark_M: I'm a Windows guy. Fiance has a Mac but I've never toyed with it. Aug 08 16:56:57 NachoB, I use Windows too, but Linux is easier to tweak and modify because the applications are not tied deeply into the OS. Aug 08 16:58:08 Mark_M: Where is the .webosinternals directory, I'll troubleshoot some more on the ERU Aug 08 16:59:04 I believe the directory is /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications Aug 08 16:59:28 the patches are all listed as directories starting with org.webosinternals.patches.* Aug 08 17:01:02 Mark_M: Well, from what I see, I'd have to delete every directory related to a patch. doesn't seem to be the right place for some Master list Aug 08 17:01:56 Yeah, that is where the patch packages are expaneded. The list is not there. I have to look somewhere like /var/ipkg or /etc/ipkg Aug 08 17:02:52 Mark_M: So, it doesn't seem something that should be easy to break by a user? Aug 08 17:04:11 NachoB, I think that my reset wiped out the ipkg list file with the patches. Aug 08 17:05:20 Mark_M: This file? .webosinternals.patches.packages Aug 08 17:06:56 NachoB, That is the file that I believe Preware makes as a backup for patches and to test for AUPT compatibility. The AUPT stuff cannot go into the ipkg list that is stored somewere else Aug 08 17:07:36 Preware keeps a ipkg list of packages in /etc, /var, or somewhere else. I just have to find it. I am not that familiar with ipkg since I use Ubuntu. Aug 08 17:17:38 Does anyone know where Preware/ipkg stores its list of installed patches? Aug 08 17:26:24 Mark_M: sorry, had garage door issues and had to leave Aug 08 17:27:13 Np, NachoB. I had to replace a spring two weeks ago after it broke on one of my doors. Aug 08 17:27:40 I reading the man pages for ipkg to see if I can find out where the files may be stored. Aug 08 17:28:01 Mark_M: Haha, that's just what happened to me, one of the springs snapped in two Aug 08 17:29:21 Mark_M: you install it yourself? Aug 08 17:30:26 Yes I did, but I had help to tighten the set screw while I put tension in the spring. Aug 08 17:30:38 It is safer with two people. Aug 08 17:31:17 I didn't want one of the rods to slip was I was tightening the bolts. Aug 08 17:31:40 Mark_M: yeah, don't want that spring tension doing bodily harm. I'll probably replace both. Aug 08 17:32:45 Although I have heard that they go in twos, I have never had that happen. Aug 08 17:32:51 I just replaced one of them. Aug 08 17:33:18 Mark_M: original springs from about 40+ years ago. Aug 08 17:33:53 Then you may want to replace both of them while you are there. Aug 08 17:34:04 Mine are only 10 years old Aug 08 17:36:10 Mark_M: best to ping rwhitby for those details on where Preware stores that install patch data. Aug 08 17:37:43 Mark_M: I plan on it, will have to Google the recommended tension. Aug 08 17:38:07 Kyusak, Yeah, Rod is the go-to person for my question. Aug 08 17:38:14 Kyusak, thanks Aug 08 17:39:40 NachoB, the rule is one full turn for every foot of door height plus 1 quarter turn. So a 7' door has 7.25 turns. That is what I did on my door and it works great. I was told this by a person I know that installs these things. Aug 08 17:41:33 Mark_M: my door is old and heavy (wood), I think I'll find an even balance so the opener doesn't struggle Aug 08 17:43:38 NachoB, my door is wood and the tension I put was perfect. Aug 08 17:47:26 Mark_M: Okay, I'll try your math :) Aug 08 17:47:49 NachoB, I bet if you look it up you will find something similar Aug 08 17:48:06 Mark_M: =robably Aug 08 17:48:09 My 5 year old can now open the door Aug 08 17:48:13 Mark_M: Probably Aug 08 17:48:26 ...well with a little boost to get started Aug 08 17:49:23 Mark_M: Well, then that should make it easy for the opener, and make it last longer. it was in place when I bought the house 12 years ago Aug 08 17:49:58 My wife's door opener ran on that one spring for 2 weeks. The opener could do it but it was a bit strained. Aug 08 17:50:15 Mark_M: Is there a Linux command for that, haha Aug 08 17:50:39 NachoB, nope just like ipkg but ipkg -? works Aug 08 17:51:38 Mark_M: I think the teeth of the opener broke, but not sure as I haven't investigated yet. Aug 08 17:52:02 Ouch, you have two problems. Aug 08 17:52:19 NachoB, my opener is a screw type Aug 08 17:53:05 Mark_M: Mine too, I just replaced it maybe 3 months ago, dunno if it suffered damage yet though Aug 08 17:53:39 NachoB, probably not if the breakage just happened. Do you have one or two springs? I had two so they could share the load. Aug 08 17:53:58 Mark_M: Two Aug 08 17:54:23 Mark_M: The one gave out and now it's FUBAR Aug 08 17:54:31 Preware uses its own configuration directory for installs. Just doing an "ipkg list" lists the WebOS packages only not any WebOS-Intenals Aug 08 17:55:00 NachoB, the opener should be able to handle the load on a short-term basis with only one spring. Aug 08 17:55:37 Mark_M: I couldn't even lift it without engaging it and assisting it up. Aug 08 17:56:39 NachoB, sounds like the tension in the other spring isn't sufficient either. You should probably replace both of them then check your opener. I would disconnect it and lift it manually until you fix the springs. Aug 08 17:56:56 NachoB, I was lucky and still had a good spring with plenty of tension. Aug 08 17:57:31 Mark_M: I'm going to replace both and go from there Aug 08 17:57:40 NachoB, good plan. Aug 08 17:58:34 Mark_M: yeah, when one headlight goes I replace both :) Aug 08 17:59:01 NachoB, I think I'm going to give up on my phone until this evening when I can find Rod. All data and apps are one phone and the patches work so I am good to go for a while. Aug 08 17:59:33 Its noon and I haven't really done anything. Gonna get going. Good luck with the spring. I'll check back with you later. Thanks and good luck. Aug 08 17:59:38 Mark_M: excellent Aug 08 18:00:29 mark_m: noon here on the east coast Aug 08 18:31:01 Woooo.... Check engine light on.... Aug 08 18:40:45 I brooked mah car... :/ Aug 08 18:41:41 Im also going to break this ipads autocorrect if it keeps messing with my typing Aug 08 18:56:34 why did u break ur car? Aug 08 18:58:07 It happens Aug 08 18:58:07 A lot Aug 08 18:58:11 It's a Toyota Aug 08 21:45:15 can anyone tell me the purpose of the AUFS as it related to webOS? Aug 08 21:50:09 "AUFS is useful for mounting rw overlays on ro filesystems." - from the description of the package Aug 09 00:00:42 eliasp: vim can be installed using the optware command line installer Aug 09 00:05:51 mornig Aug 09 00:06:00 s/mornig/morning/ Aug 09 00:06:00 rwhitby meant: morning Aug 09 00:54:33 Hi all, just wondering if someone could help in just one step of this instruction http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery#OMAP_boot_Procedure Aug 09 00:55:06 im going crazy, i've tried everything and just cant do it.... Aug 09 00:56:02 mandaman2k: what host OS are you using to compile that? Aug 09 00:56:10 ubuntu Aug 09 00:56:18 ... Aug 09 00:56:26 (version?) Aug 09 00:56:42 ubuntu 10.04 LTS Aug 09 00:56:47 rwhitby, Are there any dependencies that mandaman2k should have? Aug 09 00:57:08 i just did a clean install, installed SDK and everything Aug 09 00:57:25 Mark_M: I'm just going to check that out now that I have a complete problem report with host OS version ;) Aug 09 00:57:54 rwhitby, didn't mean to jump the gun Aug 09 00:59:26 mandaman2k: dpkg -l | grep libusb Aug 09 01:00:01 and when i get to making the file from the omap3_usb.tar.bz2 i get the following: http://tinypic.com/r/jttdhz/4 Aug 09 01:01:23 * rwhitby waits for the output of that command Aug 09 01:02:17 result from dpkg -l | grep libusb > http://tinypic.com/r/6ptht5/4 Aug 09 01:02:42 rwhitby, while you are waiting...is there a utility that I can load to restore my installed packages from .webosinternals.patches.packages? Aug 09 01:02:51 mandaman2k: apt-get install libusb-dev Aug 09 01:03:00 mandaman2k: I've updated the wiki page to note that dependency Aug 09 01:03:19 Mark_M: depends how they got los Aug 09 01:03:20 t Aug 09 01:03:49 rwhitby, I got hit by the dreaded profile reset last night. Aug 09 01:04:27 Mark_M: use your Preware saved package list that you saved to the USB drive regularly using Save/Restore to reinstall all the patches Aug 09 01:04:35 All of the patches in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications were wiped out. My rsync backup was a month old so I could restore the dcirectories. Aug 09 01:04:58 rwhitby, so if I used Save/Restore (now installed) I could restore all of my patches? Aug 09 01:05:00 rwitby: perfect, now the file that got created, i copy it to the specifed folder on the wiki? Aug 09 01:05:48 rwhitby, so it is not enough to just have libusb; you need libusb-dev? Aug 09 01:06:08 Mark_M: yep Aug 09 01:06:14 obviously if you are using some of the headers for variable declaration. Aug 09 01:06:30 libusb is runtime only. libusb-dev is needed to compile against usb libs Aug 09 01:07:44 Mark_M: if you update your saved package list in Preware regularly, and save it with Save/Restore, then you could have restored it and then hit "Install All" in Preware. Any that are already installed will just note that as they are installing. Some patch conflicts can stuff it up, but in general it works. Aug 09 01:08:02 rwhitby, I didn't have Save/Restore installed at the time. What I did was take the list of patches and reinstall them one by one and Preware actually knew that they had already been installed. Aug 09 01:08:11 * oil doctored his pre last night and save/restore worked flawlessly Aug 09 01:08:30 oil: even with the crappy saved package list implementation? ;) Aug 09 01:08:40 yes, surprisingly xD Aug 09 01:08:41 rwhitby, I updated my list of apps two days ago but for some reason all of my patches and HB apps were missing. Aug 09 01:09:10 rwhitby, like Govnor, UberKernel, jsTop Luna Manager, Quake, etc. Aug 09 01:09:26 Now they show up in the list Aug 09 01:10:09 Mark_M: if you have the list of dirs, and know shell scripting, you can do a for loop across org.webosinternals.patches.* and use ipkg and the postinst scripts to reinstall them Aug 09 01:10:10 rwhitby, I must say that Preware was great in knowing that I already had the patches installed. I figured it would puke when checking the diffs. Aug 09 01:10:19 Mark_M: that's AUPT at work Aug 09 01:10:39 it checks md5sums and does patch dry runs Aug 09 01:11:17 rwhitby, I'm not that handy with ipkg and could not find a man page. I was going to try and do just that after I reinstalled the org.webosinternals.patches.* directories. Aug 09 01:11:33 The only patch that changed since my last backup was UberCalendar. Aug 09 01:13:21 I learned my lesson. I'm going to schedule nightly rsync backups via BackupPC AND I am going to write a push backup program to do an rsync backup from the Pre on demand and scheduled. Aug 09 01:14:11 rwitby: thanks a lot, im now doctoring my pre, thanks a lot for you help Aug 09 01:14:27 * rwhitby needs to add his Pre to BackupPC list too Aug 09 01:14:32 mandaman2k: no worries. Aug 09 01:15:15 yay mandaman2k you got it working Aug 09 01:15:16 rwhitby, I may have some questions for you on packaging once I finish the program. It will depend on ssh and rsync. Aug 09 01:16:33 Mark_M: make it have a wifi-only selectable option, and ping the destination server for connectivity, and I'll use it and help you with the service side. Aug 09 01:16:35 The program should work to any machine running rsync. Aug 09 01:16:52 * rwhitby will make it backup to his NAS box Aug 09 01:18:10 rwhitby, Good point to have a WiFi only option. I was going to use any available connection. I do plan to ping the host before initiating the rsync command just like BackupPC. Aug 09 01:18:39 I have it configured now for BackupPC to sync over Wi-Fi. Aug 09 01:19:35 Mark_M: something that has the same heuristics as BackupPC (blackout periods, regular schedule, ping aggressively hourly if past schedule, etc) would be awesome Aug 09 01:19:43 I have a script that opens the firewall to the server first then closes it when the backup is complete. For security reasons although ssl and rsync is pretty secure. Aug 09 01:20:20 rsync over ssh using keys is pretty good Aug 09 01:20:33 we need a UI for ssh-agent on the Pre Aug 09 01:20:37 rwhitby, I had planned a scheduled backup for the first release then get more sophisticated like BackupPC later. Aug 09 01:21:05 I'd like to keep private keys on the Pre, but not without a strong passphrase Aug 09 01:21:07 rwhitby, the problem with ssh is doing the key exchange. Most users would just give up Aug 09 01:21:45 Mark_M: generate on the Pre, and option to email the .pub to the server Aug 09 01:21:50 bah Aug 09 01:22:01 rwhitby, I sometimes get flustered on key exchange and goof up. Aug 09 01:22:13 passphraseless keys are the way to go Aug 09 01:22:15 :) Aug 09 01:22:23 raster, I agree Aug 09 01:22:33 raster: yeah, if you're not going to loose the device they are on :) Aug 09 01:22:37 its as secure as u'll get and not be a pain in the bum Aug 09 01:22:37 s/loose/lose/ Aug 09 01:22:38 rwhitby meant: raster: yeah, if you're not going to lose the device they are on :) Aug 09 01:22:49 I only need to go one-way though since I am going to push the backup to the server. Aug 09 01:22:50 and pain in the bum == users just use insecrue passwords Aug 09 01:22:58 or they end up writing them downon stickynotes Aug 09 01:23:10 or just stop using anything secure due to pain in the end anyway Aug 09 01:23:54 raster: given that 99.9999% of the population wouldn't know to look for an ssh executable, let alone keys, you're probably right Aug 09 01:24:11 rwhitby: what u need is a remote kill switch Aug 09 01:24:13 for loss cases Aug 09 01:24:14 imho Aug 09 01:24:15 surwe Aug 09 01:24:19 That's the challenge, setting up ssh with little user intervention. Aug 09 01:24:20 window of opportunity Aug 09 01:24:30 but about the only thing that keeps everyone happy i think Aug 09 01:24:31 :) Aug 09 01:24:54 it's all preception Aug 09 01:24:57 I got it licked on my system, but I took two hours to configure all of my machines for loginless ssh Aug 09 01:25:07 tell people they need 1 12 char password, and they pass out Aug 09 01:25:29 Mark_M: i've had a script that does that for me for years Aug 09 01:25:36 tell them they need 3, short 4 letter words, they like it Aug 09 01:25:38 Anivrom: finally yes, all it was is that i didnt have the libusb-dev dependencies Aug 09 01:25:46 good stuff Aug 09 01:25:47 ie "set up passwordless key + pub ke + ssh dir/config for me on machine x thanks" Aug 09 01:26:03 raster, as many times that I have done that, I should have written a script but I'm lazy. Aug 09 01:26:16 I have scripts for everything else it seems Aug 09 01:26:17 hgeheheh Aug 09 01:26:31 u have a lower "i have to turn that inot a script" threashold than i do it seems Aug 09 01:26:32 :) Aug 09 01:26:33 I scripted my Pre backups for BackupPC Aug 09 01:27:01 rwitby: one question, now that im in all this, is there a way to completely wipe out the pre and start from scratch?? Aug 09 01:27:05 since I just couldn't use rsync per the default configuration Aug 09 01:27:59 u dont also have rsync scripts that magically just mirror all the important dirs i have in ~/ over to another box" you run (once ssh stuff is set up) ? Aug 09 01:28:12 knowing the current webos doctors dont really do that.... Aug 09 01:28:13 I think I have my requirements now. Thanks all for the ideas. The easy part will be the UI unless I run into trouble running shell scripts from a Luna app. Aug 09 01:28:22 what are u making? Aug 09 01:28:29 magic Aug 09 01:28:29 an rsync backup front-end? Aug 09 01:28:39 raster, exactly Aug 09 01:28:47 i've alwasy meant to write me one of them Aug 09 01:29:03 ie a gui version of my scripts and rc files that do all this for me Aug 09 01:29:10 with nice little gui progress bars Aug 09 01:29:19 raster, I thought it would be nice to have a rsync backup front-end to store backups on NAS or other servers. Aug 09 01:29:21 and a nice little gui to add/remove dirs from the sync list Aug 09 01:29:37 makes sense Aug 09 01:29:41 been doing this for years Aug 09 01:29:50 its my way of "moving machine" Aug 09 01:29:51 raster, I would push the backup to the server from the Pre over Wi-Fi or other interface Aug 09 01:29:54 ie go from home to work Aug 09 01:29:58 i "sync files" to work Aug 09 01:30:02 go bakc home - "sync home" Aug 09 01:30:06 Mark_M: if you can do the UI, I can provide the backend. I started on such an app (called SkyNet) and was going to get it to be able to link to webOS devices together by generating, emailing public keys and installing them via filetype association Aug 09 01:30:08 or sync desktop -> laptop Aug 09 01:30:10 and back etc Aug 09 01:30:11 I'm pulling the backup right now with BackupPC. Aug 09 01:30:14 everything i care about follows me Aug 09 01:30:28 email, code, documents, config etc. Aug 09 01:30:39 doesnt matter iof i'm on or offline after the sync Aug 09 01:30:42 everything i have is there Aug 09 01:30:51 i'd adore it if my phone was part of that lifecycle Aug 09 01:31:07 raster: I just do everything on one laptop, and any thing important is in a remote git repo :) Aug 09 01:31:14 i'd even enjoy making it automagic Aug 09 01:31:25 eg Aug 09 01:31:27 u come home Aug 09 01:31:29 Mark_M: we can use Mode Switcher to automate it Aug 09 01:31:42 and your phone senses via bt or wifif that tis home Aug 09 01:31:48 Mark_M: using launch parameters for the backup app Aug 09 01:31:54 and it now checks to see if it was the most recently "used" machine Aug 09 01:31:55 rwhitby, I may take you up on that. I have part of the back-end done now except for the key setup. The actual backup command is easy it is the setup that is more involved. Aug 09 01:31:58 then it syncs home Aug 09 01:32:17 until u begin to use your home box Aug 09 01:32:18 then it stops Aug 09 01:32:25 and home box regularly syncs bakc to phone Aug 09 01:32:28 raster: what phone are you using these days? has that secret samsung device been released yet? Aug 09 01:32:38 rwhitby, that's a good idea then someone could set up a trigger to kick it off if they are close to their server or whatever. Aug 09 01:32:44 maybe some "i'm about to leave now" button that quickly doesa a final "sync" and u can walk out the door Aug 09 01:33:00 i'd need the "same email client" on phone Aug 09 01:33:05 but... thats not hard Aug 09 01:33:06 :) Aug 09 01:33:12 rwhitby: right now - galaxy-s Aug 09 01:33:13 Hey all gotta go. I'm being yelled at for dinner. I'll see if I can check in here later and maybe try to mock something up. Aug 09 01:33:44 rwhitby: i wish i could live on a single laptop - but frankly laptops mke compromises - slow disks, slower cpu's Aug 09 01:33:48 etc. etc. Aug 09 01:33:55 desktops still have a place :) Aug 09 01:34:00 Mark_M: EAT! Aug 09 01:34:01 :) Aug 09 01:37:45 Mark_M: you made me want pizza so bad last night when you left to eat last night Aug 09 01:37:52 -2nd last night Aug 09 01:38:20 and now I want pizza Aug 09 01:41:10 * halfhalo burns the internets Aug 09 02:30:11 Hey guys... I installed scatchbox2 + the WIDK on Ubuntu, but when I run "sb2 -M /srv/preware/cross-compile/staging/mapping-armv7", I get the error "ERROR: Fatal: Rule file interface version check failed: No version information in /tmp/sb2-root-20100808-192601.0NhoaR/rules/Default.lua" Any idea why? Aug 09 02:31:06 omg i hate you so much thin Aug 09 02:58:33 guys help.. how can I restart my pre "cleanly" from the command line? Aug 09 02:58:44 it's freaking out right now :( Aug 09 02:58:50 "reboot" ? Aug 09 02:58:55 just do a shutdown -r now? Aug 09 02:59:10 yes, I didn't know if it was the best way though Aug 09 02:59:25 thanks :p Aug 09 02:59:56 bleh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 09 02:59:57 2010