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Aug 09 03:00:13 <halfhalo> ok wtfbbq.. random 502's in my rails project
Aug 09 03:00:22 <Tman> my keyboard issue went away after I upgraded my kernel for several days (I thought it was completely gone)... but it just happened again :(
Aug 09 03:01:07 <halfhalo> ok, what happens when you go to this link: http://silentbluesystems.com/users
Aug 09 03:01:09 <Tman> before, it was happening, like, less than an hour after each restart (assuming I used it during that time)
Aug 09 03:01:22 <Tman> halfhalo: Unknown action
Aug 09 03:01:26 <halfhalo> good
Aug 09 03:01:42 <halfhalo> none of that retarted 502 stuff anymore
Aug 09 03:09:15 <rwhitby> webOS 1.4.1.1 bootchart: http://www.webos-internals.org/images/2/21/Bootchart.png
Aug 09 03:18:03 <Kyusaku> wow 7minutes?
Aug 09 03:18:50 <rwhitby> that was submitted by Xanadu
Aug 09 03:18:58 <rwhitby> haven't done it myself
Aug 09 03:20:29 * rwhitby bbl
Aug 09 03:20:42 <halfhalo> hmmm…. my mouse disconnected and is refusing to reconnect
Aug 09 04:33:31 <hape> moin, back from vacation
Aug 09 04:36:59 <rwhitby> g'day hape
Aug 09 04:44:12 <halfhalo> wtfbbq rails
Aug 09 04:44:15 <halfhalo> messing with me again
Aug 09 04:45:39 <halfhalo> won't connect to the db for some reason
Aug 09 04:45:53 <halfhalo> rake? just fine.  in model? not so much
Aug 09 04:48:17 <halfhalo> although apparently load balancing is working… with one host....
Aug 09 06:33:14 <swisstomcat> morning
Aug 09 17:59:33 <Mercury> chuqui: So, are there people who can speak on the matter of US updates to WebOS, or are you all in the land of not knowing/not being able to talk about it?
Aug 09 17:59:55 <chrisa> What did you need specifically?
Aug 09 18:01:26 <Mercury> chuqui: Just general curiousity on if we will be seeing 1.4.5, or a later release, and if it's being sat on by the carriers or elsewhere.  Stuff I don't expect to see firm answers on, though I'd really feel slightly better if we had access to the security updates in 1.4.5. :)
Aug 09 18:01:29 <chuqui> mercury they're coming.
Aug 09 18:01:47 <chuqui> we haven't announced dates.
Aug 09 18:02:00 * Mercury nods.
Aug 09 18:02:06 <chuqui> 1.4.5 is definitely going to roll out here in the U.S.
Aug 09 18:02:22 <chuqui> we're coordinating the dates with the carriers.
Aug 09 18:02:27 * Mercury nods.
Aug 09 18:02:47 <Mercury> So it will be 1.4.5 not a .1 or a 1.5 or something?  Alright, thank you. :)
Aug 09 18:02:58 <chrisa> and then we get to start the whole cycle again
Aug 09 18:03:24 <cryptk> are you allowed to say if the fstab PDK issues are holding it up?
Aug 09 18:04:31 <chrisa> Certain carriers have much more rigorous testing schedules and a snag can cause the process to begin anew, other carriers will look at a release and use it if it doesn't crash when they stare at it
Aug 09 18:04:41 <Mercury> And are you allowed to say if the delay between the SFR release and the US release is due to carriers or other issues?
Aug 09 18:04:44 * Mercury nods.
Aug 09 18:05:00 <chrisa> Beyond that I should let chuq talk since he's actually pr folk
Aug 09 18:05:32 <cryptk> sounds good, thanks for the info!
Aug 09 18:06:28 <Mercury> chuqui: Thank you very much. :)
Aug 09 18:07:03 <chuqui> as far as I know, it's 1.4.5
Aug 09 18:07:15 <Mercury> chrisa: And thank you as well. :)
Aug 09 18:08:04 <chuqui> it's not safe to assume that delays where one carrier has a release and another doesn't is a carrier delay. it's -- complicated.
Aug 09 18:08:11 <chuqui> it's amazingly complicated.
Aug 09 18:10:30 <spotter> so I removed uber kernel by accident and it reset my pre
Aug 09 18:10:39 <spotter> has this happened to anyone b4?
Aug 09 18:12:37 <Kyusaku> reset as in?
Aug 09 18:34:28 <cryptk> spotter, what do you mean it reset your pre
Aug 09 18:34:52 <spotter> it reset it
Aug 09 18:35:05 <spotter> i.e. palm profile registration!
Aug 09 19:53:23 <en0x> yeah
Aug 09 19:53:27 <en0x> i got hulu plus invite :D
Aug 09 19:54:15 <chrisa> How much larger is the show selection?
Aug 09 19:54:40 <en0x> :(
Aug 09 19:55:23 <en0x> i wont comment on this one chrisa  :P
Aug 09 19:55:42 <chrisa> huh
Aug 09 19:55:47 <summatusmentis> it also doesn't get rid of ads in any way does it?
Aug 09 19:56:37 <en0x> idk i haven't signed up yet...
Aug 09 19:56:59 <en0x>  i just entered my email for hulu plus invite... now when i want to register it asks me for credit card :S
Aug 09 19:59:14 <en0x> idk anyway time to go home now...
Aug 09 19:59:59 <swisstomcat> evening
Aug 09 20:01:48 <swisstomcat> ping cryptk
Aug 09 20:02:14 <chrisa> I don't actually like many of the shows they have listed under plus
Aug 09 20:02:45 <cryptk> swisstomcat, pong
Aug 09 20:03:05 <swisstomcat> any comments regarding the article, cryptk?
Aug 09 20:03:06 <cryptk> swisstomcat, the article seemed really good btw
Aug 09 20:03:27 <cryptk> just fill in those blank spots that I mentioned, but other than that, seems pretty good
Aug 09 20:04:39 <swisstomcat> thank you :)
Aug 09 20:08:18 <cryptk> swisstomcat, in turn maybe you can give me your opinion on something
Aug 09 20:08:22 <cryptk> my new conky configuration
Aug 09 20:08:29 <swisstomcat> sure, go ahead
Aug 09 20:08:30 <cryptk> http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb50/crypt1029/computer/new_desktop.png
Aug 09 20:08:37 <cryptk> check out the system monitor on the right side
Aug 09 20:08:40 <cryptk> whatcha think?
Aug 09 20:09:45 <ka6sox> very nice
Aug 09 20:09:58 <swisstomcat> that's pretty cool
Aug 09 20:10:06 <swisstomcat> the background is a bit too busy for my taste
Aug 09 20:11:01 <cryptk> ran into alot of issues witht he text because of that background, so I had to come up with a solution to put a dark background behind the system monitor, luckily conky works with LUA and I found a script already made to do just what I needed
Aug 09 20:11:07 <chrisa> I've never understood the desire to have a giant system monitor that is probably eating up more io and memory than half the apps you have open
Aug 09 20:11:08 <swisstomcat> also, it doesn't show the total amount of RAM, only the % used
Aug 09 20:11:11 <chrisa> I blame gkrellm
Aug 09 20:11:38 <cryptk> gkrellm is a system hog... but if you look at the bottom of the system monitor you can see that conky uses very little CPU
Aug 09 20:11:44 <swisstomcat> doesn't matter if you have 4 cores and 8gb's of memory :)
Aug 09 20:11:51 <cryptk> ahh, I probably should add in the total amount of ram...
Aug 09 20:12:02 <cryptk> actually I do have 4 cores and 8GB ram
Aug 09 20:12:03 <cryptk> lol
Aug 09 20:12:13 <cryptk> and it is all overclocked and watercooled
Aug 09 20:12:15 <swisstomcat> i only have 2 and 8GB
Aug 09 20:12:41 <swisstomcat> but you only got 7min uptime ;)
Aug 09 20:13:10 <cryptk> yeah, I was having some xorg issues with my overclock so I had to back it off a bit, required a reboot
Aug 09 20:13:52 <cryptk> it was at 3.4GHz, but instead of tuning the voltages to make it stable I just backed it down to my "last known good settings" which are at 3.0
Aug 09 20:15:07 <cryptk> lol, I just noticed that gedit uses more system resources than my conky does
Aug 09 20:16:26 <chrisa> I also don't understand watercooling anymore considering commodity cpus and general resources are so abundant for no cost compared to the days when we'd overclock a p75 to 125 and consider ourselves awesome
Aug 09 20:16:35 <chrisa> I may have just grown out of that aspect of pc stuff
Aug 09 20:17:35 <swisstomcat> i agree, chrisa .. i've grown out of overclocking/watercooling
Aug 09 20:17:51 <cryptk> I watercool because it is quieter... that and my overclock was surpassing the capabilities of the stock heatsync
Aug 09 20:18:03 <chrisa> My 2 year old PC runs SC2 at max settings smoothly, so I'm content
Aug 09 20:18:07 <swisstomcat> aircooling is very quiet today
Aug 09 20:18:11 <chrisa> Though now that I'm done with brutal I'm kinda bored
Aug 09 20:18:30 <swisstomcat> the days of the pc are over
Aug 09 20:18:37 <swisstomcat> mobile is the future
Aug 09 20:18:46 <swisstomcat> for most usage cases
Aug 09 20:18:54 <cryptk> indeed
Aug 09 20:18:59 <PuffTheMagic> cryptk: conky ftw
Aug 09 20:18:59 <chrisa> Take my workstation and I'll cut you
Aug 09 20:19:15 <cryptk> and modern air coolis is quiet... but not when you overclock and therefore have to run the fans at max all the time
Aug 09 20:19:51 <cryptk> what if we replaced your workstation with a tablet... which was just as fast, and could wirelessly connect to a monitor keyboard and mouse.
Aug 09 20:19:59 <cryptk> that is where things are heading
Aug 09 20:20:29 <swisstomcat> i'm not even considering upgrading my hand-built pc anymore, it's fast enough
Aug 09 20:20:33 * ka6sox is NOT going to layout 8-layer circuitboards on a tablet...not gonna happen.
Aug 09 20:21:05 <swisstomcat> for MOST usage cases, but not for all of them
Aug 09 20:21:15 <chrisa> cryptk: I don't want a tablet, I want my multiple 24 inch monitors and the ability to compile on multiple cores
Aug 09 20:21:43 <ka6sox> chrisa, preach it!
Aug 09 20:21:54 <cryptk> give it 10 years chrisa you will have those multiple cores and ability to connect to multiple monitors in a tablet size piece of hardware
Aug 09 20:22:03 <chrisa> yes, 10 years
Aug 09 20:22:11 <PuffTheMagic> but
Aug 09 20:22:13 <cryptk> then when youa re done working you can pull it off the dock (if we are using them then) and throw it in a backpack
Aug 09 20:22:16 <PuffTheMagic> whats the point
Aug 09 20:22:17 <ka6sox> the display it going to be the issue.
Aug 09 20:22:23 <PuffTheMagic> if i have 2 24" monitors
Aug 09 20:22:28 <swisstomcat> rollable, flexibe displays
Aug 09 20:22:29 <PuffTheMagic> that will be way bigger than the mobile
Aug 09 20:22:30 <PuffTheMagic> device
Aug 09 20:22:40 <PuffTheMagic> no need for the pc to be that small
Aug 09 20:22:40 <swisstomcat> or a docking station like cryptk said
Aug 09 20:22:46 <PuffTheMagic> mnobile will never replace a desktop
Aug 09 20:22:52 <cryptk> ka6sox, I read an article the other day about wirelessly connecting to monitors, they are planning on using it for things like tablets
Aug 09 20:22:55 <PuffTheMagic> they just complement each other
Aug 09 20:22:59 <cryptk> but the tech is still a few years out
Aug 09 20:23:17 <swisstomcat> mobile will replace a standard desktop for most usage cases
Aug 09 20:23:21 <swisstomcat> mark my words :)
Aug 09 20:23:27 <cryptk> eventually mobile will be the desktop... like how we use laptops with docking stations now
Aug 09 20:23:36 <swisstomcat> be it notebook/slate/phone type
Aug 09 20:23:48 <cryptk> but we need to get the faster hardware in the smaller package before that will be truely feasable
Aug 09 20:26:27 <cryptk> PuffTheMagic, screenshot of your conky?
Aug 09 20:26:51 <PuffTheMagic> i dont actually have it set up yet
Aug 09 20:26:57 <PuffTheMagic> i've used it in the past
Aug 09 20:26:59 <PuffTheMagic> but
Aug 09 20:26:59 <cryptk> want mine?
Aug 09 20:27:07 <PuffTheMagic> i too am like chrisa
Aug 09 20:27:15 <cryptk> lol, don't see the point?
Aug 09 20:27:21 <PuffTheMagic> why waste the clocks on a monitor
Aug 09 20:27:33 <PuffTheMagic> thats why i didnt release ubermonitor
Aug 09 20:27:43 <chrisa> I when it comes to tech stuff I'm already the grumpy old guy sitting on his porch shaking a fist at you as you walk by
Aug 09 20:27:46 <PuffTheMagic> cryptk: naaa i dont need yours
Aug 09 20:27:53 <chrisa> *I think when
Aug 09 20:28:49 <cryptk> you know chrisa your name could use some capitalization... every time I read it I think you are a girl because I read it as chrisa and not Chris A
Aug 09 20:28:59 <cryptk> lol
Aug 09 20:29:25 <chrisa> Who is ever named "chrisa"
Aug 09 20:30:25 <cryptk> nobody, lol
Aug 09 20:30:39 <cryptk> but I know a krisa
Aug 09 20:30:51 <cryptk> hence why it pops in my head like that
Aug 09 20:31:31 <cryptk> and my wife knows someone named abcde pronounced ab-sa-dee
Aug 09 20:32:30 * chrisA grumbles
Aug 09 20:32:37 <cryptk> and I know a fghij pronounced fig-hij
Aug 09 20:32:39 <cryptk> lol
Aug 09 20:32:48 <cryptk> weird names out there
Aug 09 20:33:01 <swisstomcat> heh
Aug 09 20:34:38 <cryptk_> damn interwebs
Aug 09 20:40:13 <bpadalino|work> wait .. so chrisa isn't a chick?!
Aug 09 20:40:34 <swisstomcat> damn
Aug 09 20:45:08 <cryptk> LOL
Aug 09 20:45:59 <ka6sox> ChrisA, you know what people *assuming* means.
Aug 09 20:47:00 * chrisA grumbles
Aug 09 20:48:54 <halfhalo_class> heh
Aug 09 20:57:17 * beelzabub moving to a cubicle beside chrisa wednesday
Aug 09 20:57:26 <halfhalo_class> hah
Aug 09 20:57:45 <beelzabub> i think i know how to give him grief for the next few months
Aug 09 20:57:54 <halfhalo_class> DAMMIT XCODE NOBODY SAID YOU COULD OPEN
Aug 09 21:01:55 * halfhalo_class shoots xcode inthe foot as a lesson
Aug 09 22:23:13 <shaggy_> hi everyone
Aug 09 22:23:31 <shaggy_> i don't know if someone can help me aout with preware
Aug 09 22:24:21 <shaggy_> the thing is... that when i install the preware or switch to developer mode mi phone's 3G goes off
Aug 09 22:32:35 <rwhitby> which version of preware?
Aug 09 22:32:36 <rwhitby> and how are you installing it
Aug 09 23:50:44 <dick-richardson> can you adjust volume from the command line?
Aug 09 23:52:22 <PuffTheMagic> sure can
Aug 09 23:54:17 <dick-richardson> :) allow me to rephrase...how can you adjust volume frome the command line?
Aug 09 23:55:25 <PuffTheMagic> use alsamixer or something like that
Aug 10 00:17:11 <nightburn> So I found this quite interesting. I installed the Dev version of the sprint doctor 1.4.5 to my sprint pre. Purchased a couple 1.4.5 only PDK apps. Then I swapped my sprint comm board into a pre plus. Doctored back to 1.4.1.1 with meta doctor and my sprint pre's tokens. Now my Sprint Palm Pre Plus running webos 1.4.1.1 allows me to download 1.4.5 apps but they won't actually launch! (missing APIs?)
Aug 10 00:19:47 <PuffTheMagic> yup
Aug 10 00:36:29 <rwhitby> Anyone testing Preware 1.2.7 ?
Aug 10 00:46:44 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: if thats what i just updated to today then i guess yes
Aug 10 00:47:14 <Audemars02> rwhitby - i am on 1.2.7 ...   good news: it does allow emulator to load apps now.
Aug 10 00:48:08 <rwhitby> Audemars02: yeah, I inadvertently hard-coded an arm-ism in there before.  should be fine now.
Aug 10 00:49:13 <Audemars02> rwhitby - the toughest problem was getting that version installed on the emulator.  couldnt seem to get the feed added to webOS QI, so I had to manaully save the IPK file to my PC and then use webOS QI to install it
Aug 10 00:50:44 <rwhitby> Audemars02: you could have just used palm-install with the ipk file
Aug 10 00:51:38 <Audemars02> same issue....still had to get the IPK file off the feed... webOS QI is easy enough
Aug 10 00:51:50 <rwhitby> just use a browser to get the file
Aug 10 00:52:00 <en0x> is there a background download and installation of ipks on preware roadmap?
Aug 10 00:52:08 <rwhitby> Audemars02: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/i686/
Aug 10 00:52:18 <Audemars02> yea..that is what i did
Aug 10 00:53:46 <Audemars02> brb..gotta reboot my PC
Aug 10 01:08:53 <summatusmentis> has anyone tried self-hosting the palm profile stuff?
Aug 10 01:08:57 <summatusmentis> is that even possible?
Aug 10 01:40:58 <kesne> Hmm
Aug 10 01:41:03 <kesne> Havent been in here for a while
Aug 10 01:42:22 <PuffTheMagic> look what the cat dragged in
Aug 10 01:42:28 <PuffTheMagic> ;)
Aug 10 01:42:39 <halfhalo> burn!
Aug 10 01:44:02 <kesne> Ouch
Aug 10 01:44:04 <kesne> :'(
Aug 10 01:44:20 <beelzabub> it's ok - he's just insecure because no one likes him
Aug 10 01:44:45 <rwhitby> tough room today ;)
Aug 10 01:44:46 <beelzabub> halfhalo too - he's half a man
Aug 10 01:45:02 <halfhalo> ZZZZZZZIIIING!
Aug 10 01:45:14 <beelzabub> bzinga
Aug 10 01:45:37 <beelzabub> fml - trying to implement a hash table sorted by insertion order & i'm failing
Aug 10 01:46:00 <halfhalo> haha…. what language
Aug 10 01:46:03 <beelzabub> c++
Aug 10 01:46:10 <halfhalo> thers your problem
Aug 10 01:46:12 <beelzabub> i'm dicking around with qt
Aug 10 01:46:12 <rwhitby> beelzabub: you just want the collisions sorted, or the whole thing?
Aug 10 01:46:16 <halfhalo> you need another +
Aug 10 01:46:30 <beelzabub> i just want it sorted by insertion order
Aug 10 01:46:38 <beelzabub> e.g. if A is inserted, then B
Aug 10 01:46:45 <beelzabub> i want the iteration order to be A, B
Aug 10 01:47:13 <beelzabub> i kinda got it by having the value be an iterator in a linked list, but i'm seeing random corruption
Aug 10 01:47:17 <rwhitby> but you still want it to be a hash table
Aug 10 01:47:21 <bpadalino> sorted hash insertion ?
Aug 10 01:47:41 <beelzabub> i suspect trolltech hasn't fully documented the conditions that invalidate qlinkedlist iterator
Aug 10 01:48:05 <bpadalino> how long have you been futzing around with Qt ?
Aug 10 01:48:10 <rwhitby> beelzabub: like http://www.concentric.net/~ttwang/tech/sorthash.htm ?
Aug 10 01:48:13 <beelzabub> a few years
Aug 10 01:48:24 <beelzabub> like LinkedHashMap in Java
Aug 10 01:49:01 <beelzabub> naw - much simpler than the link you provided
Aug 10 01:49:10 <beelzabub> basically, i'm creating a hash table
Aug 10 01:49:26 <beelzabub> some point later, i want to iterate over all the elements, but in the same order they were inserted
Aug 10 01:49:49 <beelzabub> i've done this several times in c where i owned the hash table implementation
Aug 10 01:49:59 <beelzabub> basically have a linked list going through the elements in the hash table
Aug 10 01:50:36 <beelzabub> works like a charm - fast O(n) iteration as opposed to O(m) where m is the capacity of the hash table
Aug 10 01:51:46 <rwhitby> beelzabub: oh, so you've got the algo down and it's just a coding error.  no worries.
Aug 10 01:51:54 <beelzabub> yup
Aug 10 01:52:03 <beelzabub> just friggin annoying
Aug 10 01:52:06 <beelzabub> cause it looks like corruption
Aug 10 01:52:21 <beelzabub> which obviously means i'm not accounting for the life-time validity of the iterator
Aug 10 01:52:30 <beelzabub> but the documentation is sparse on it
Aug 10 01:52:38 <rwhitby> beelzabub: write an iterator what dumps out a .dot file for graphviz :)
Aug 10 01:52:58 <rwhitby> s/what/that/
Aug 10 01:53:04 <beelzabub> how does that help?
Aug 10 01:53:30 <rwhitby> visualise the connectivity, assuming you don't have lots and lots of items
Aug 10 01:53:43 <beelzabub> i do actually - but the problem isn't the connectivity
Aug 10 01:53:51 <beelzabub> it's the fact that these iterators spontaneously invalidate
Aug 10 01:54:07 * rwhitby stops trying to remote debug :)
Aug 10 01:54:15 <beelzabub> don't worry about it
Aug 10 01:54:19 <beelzabub> i'm sure i'll get it
Aug 10 01:54:21 <beelzabub> just annoying
Aug 10 01:55:05 <bpadalino> i was never a big fan of Qt .. though i liked their ambition and what they were trying to do
Aug 10 01:55:24 <beelzabub> i've heard that from a lot of people who used it in the old days
Aug 10 01:55:32 <beelzabub> i really like the qt4 interface
Aug 10 01:55:35 <bpadalino> has it gotten better in qt4 ?
Aug 10 01:55:47 <beelzabub> & they've really improved things with 4.5 & 4.6
Aug 10 01:55:49 <beelzabub> & now 4.7
Aug 10 01:56:00 <beelzabub> i like the QtCore module
Aug 10 01:56:08 <beelzabub> the rest of it i'm not as big a fan
Aug 10 01:56:31 <beelzabub> although it's certainly convenient
Aug 10 01:57:00 <bpadalino> oh i see .. QtCore is like a standard library for Qt developers ?
Aug 10 01:57:08 <beelzabub> QtCore is the non-gui components
Aug 10 01:57:16 <beelzabub> QtGui is the gui components
Aug 10 01:57:19 <beelzabub> QtXML is the xml stuff
Aug 10 01:57:23 <beelzabub> etc, etc
Aug 10 01:59:20 <bpadalino> interesting
Aug 10 02:00:45 <beelzabub> yup
Aug 10 02:00:59 <beelzabub> it's convenient because C++ still doesn't have a nice network api
Aug 10 02:01:02 <beelzabub> qt's is really nice
Aug 10 02:04:12 <bpadalino> neat - what are you using qt for anyway ?
Aug 10 02:05:03 <beelzabub> some personal projects
Aug 10 02:05:49 <bpadalino> do a lot of the guys at palm have personal coding projects at home, or is it generally "I just code for work" ?
Aug 10 02:06:04 <beelzabub> it's up to you
Aug 10 02:06:17 <bpadalino> oh, i was just asking about your general observations
Aug 10 02:06:29 <bpadalino> not a lot of guys where i work go home and compute
Aug 10 02:06:34 <beelzabub> depends on who
Aug 10 02:06:49 <beelzabub> typically most people I respect try to dick around with personal projects
Aug 10 02:06:58 <beelzabub> keeps you aware of what's going on in the world
Aug 10 02:07:02 <beelzabub> & it's just fun
Aug 10 02:07:08 <bpadalino> agreed
Aug 10 02:12:02 <rwhitby> beelzabub: gives you an outlet where release schedules are not controlled by someone else, and you can be abrasive to users too :)
Aug 10 02:12:20 <beelzabub> oh - i'm abrasive to users regardless
Aug 10 02:12:21 <beelzabub> :D
Aug 10 02:12:29 <rwhitby> :)
Aug 10 02:17:13 <beelzabub> i get negative points for overcomplicating things
Aug 10 02:17:27 <beelzabub> dunno why i tried to map the key to the iterator
Aug 10 02:17:43 <beelzabub> works just as well to have the regular key-value mapping & a linked list on the side
Aug 10 02:17:58 <bpadalino> found your bug then ?
Aug 10 02:18:04 <beelzabub> not quite
Aug 10 02:18:13 <beelzabub> i circumvented the ability for it to manifest
Aug 10 02:20:31 <PuffTheMagic> 100 min till 1.4.5.1
Aug 10 02:23:49 <halfhalo> lies
Aug 10 02:35:55 <rwhitby> guess I'd better put a 1.4.5.1 patches symlink in place, just in case.
Aug 10 02:36:12 <rwhitby> and get ready for a 1.4.5.1 compatible version update for UberKernel
Aug 10 02:36:45 <rwhitby> (assuming the rumours are correct, since I've seen nothing official about such a version number)
Aug 10 02:59:02 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: most of the rumors that are based on sprint website updates are usually true
Aug 10 02:59:16 <PuffTheMagic> sprint always updates their site just before a update/release
Aug 10 02:59:23 <PuffTheMagic> software and hardare
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