**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 02:59:57 2010
Aug 12 03:22:45 <satterwc> general question: if I decide to upgrade to 1.4.5, should I remove preware patches and kernal first, upgrade, and reinstall?
Aug 12 03:22:53 <rwhitby> no
Aug 12 03:23:14 <satterwc> so it should upgrade fine with all in place?
Aug 12 03:23:43 <rwhitby> which threads on PreCentral have you read on the subject so far, and which tweets from @webosinternals have you seen on the topic?
Aug 12 03:23:56 <satterwc> >.>
Aug 12 03:23:59 <satterwc> <.<
Aug 12 03:24:00 <satterwc> fail
Aug 12 03:24:06 <CardShark> I'm amazed at the sheer number of people that ask that question, with all of the notes, messages, posts, tweets, etc. with the exact answer....  Does nobody just READ anymore?
Aug 12 03:24:30 <CardShark> nobody=anybody
Aug 12 03:24:45 <satterwc> not really a matter of not readong.. not knowing where to read.. sorry.. not in the pre dev circle
Aug 12 03:24:58 <Tibfib> satterwc: just check out precentral.net
Aug 12 03:24:59 <CardShark> Me neither, but here we are. :)
Aug 12 03:25:07 <Tibfib> should give you the info you need :)
Aug 12 03:25:25 <satterwc> ok.. I'll check the forums at precentral.. sorry for bugging you
Aug 12 03:25:33 <Tibfib> front page will do
Aug 12 03:25:48 <rwhitby> satterwc: in general, you can leave patches on
Aug 12 03:25:59 <rwhitby> satterwc: but there is a list of ones which you need to take off
Aug 12 03:26:19 <rwhitby> satterwc: and kernels from WebOS Internals installed using preware are also fine to leave on
Aug 12 03:26:39 <satterwc> ok.. I'll check it out.. thanks for the guidance
Aug 12 03:27:00 <satterwc> laters
Aug 12 03:27:26 <basotl> I just wrote a blog post talking about Preware. Recently got and having a repo to mod it to my hearts content easily is greatly appreciated.
Aug 12 03:27:40 <summatusmentis> is there a reason webos doesn't have a centralized blog area?
Aug 12 03:27:58 <summatusmentis> even if it just consisted of "look at this precentral thread"?
Aug 12 03:28:59 <Tibfib> precentral.net?
Aug 12 03:29:37 <summatusmentis> different organization, yes?
Aug 12 03:33:36 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: @webosinternals on twitter
Aug 12 03:35:37 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: already following
Aug 12 03:35:57 <summatusmentis> I just get the sense that people don't necessarily go to twitter for tech help
Aug 12 03:36:13 <summatusmentis> which is why I wondered about a blog
Aug 12 03:37:37 <rwhitby> we have twitter, a wiki and a forum.  why do we need something in addition to that?
Aug 12 03:38:11 <rwhitby> forum for interactive, twitter for permanent info, twitter for time-sensitive info
Aug 12 03:38:29 <rwhitby> s/twitter for permanent/wiki for permanent/
Aug 12 03:38:29 <infobot> rwhitby meant: forum for interactive, wiki for permanent info, twitter for time-sensitive info
Aug 12 03:39:00 <summatusmentis> need is maybe strong. For casual users who don't follow pre dev on a regular basis, but care about things like software updates, maybe something in addition makes sense
Aug 12 03:39:42 <summatusmentis> I'm just throwing out ideas, this is in no way "FIX IT NOW"
Aug 12 03:39:47 <rwhitby> sure
Aug 12 03:40:28 <rwhitby> how does a blog differ from an RSS feed of a twitter stream?
Aug 12 03:40:35 <rwhitby> (apart from the number of words)
Aug 12 03:40:45 <summatusmentis> functionally, it shouldn't
Aug 12 03:40:50 <summatusmentis> except maybe in mindshare
Aug 12 03:41:13 <summatusmentis> I know when I'm looking for answers to tech questions, my first thought isn't "oh, I'll check twitter"
Aug 12 03:41:16 <rwhitby> mindshare?
Aug 12 03:41:32 <rwhitby> you don't check blogs for tech answers either.
Aug 12 03:41:38 <summatusmentis> people associate blogs with "official" announcements, etc.
Aug 12 03:41:42 <rwhitby> you look at program documentation on wikis
Aug 12 03:41:55 <summatusmentis> people associate twitter with "that weird social network"
Aug 12 03:42:00 <rwhitby> that's quite a generalisation you're making there
Aug 12 03:42:08 <summatusmentis> yes, it is
Aug 12 03:42:22 <rwhitby> one could make the same observation about usenet
Aug 12 03:42:23 <summatusmentis> I'm not articulating my point very well
Aug 12 03:42:33 <rwhitby> we should use a newsgroup for everything.
Aug 12 03:42:45 <rwhitby> not that "weird blog thing"
Aug 12 03:42:54 <summatusmentis> many organizations still consider mailing lists a valid way of conducting business
Aug 12 03:43:07 <rwhitby> indeed.
Aug 12 03:43:11 <basotl> Following on twitter now because I use the weird social network.
Aug 12 03:43:20 <rwhitby> we have two mailing lists.  no-one joined.
Aug 12 03:44:21 <oil> lol
Aug 12 03:44:28 <summatusmentis> I think if I were a casual user of preware who liked the outcomes, but didn't care that much about the day to day development, etc., I would try a website by that domain first
Aug 12 03:44:54 <rwhitby> you get notifications of software updates in preware itself
Aug 12 03:44:58 <summatusmentis> given that this is currently the wiki, which isn't currently used as an announcement forum, I'd then probably start googling
Aug 12 03:45:10 <rwhitby> that's like saying that debian users look at the aptitude changelog to find out if emacs has been updated
Aug 12 03:46:13 <summatusmentis> no, it's more like saying that iphone jailbreak users check whatever sites jailbreaking happens on for updates to see if their new iOS update can be jailbroken
Aug 12 03:46:51 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: I'm on your side - I'd love to have an announcement mailing list and conduct all business there.  The facts are that no-one subscribed.  Ergo, mailing lists are dead as a means of communication for this particular market segment.
Aug 12 03:47:14 <summatusmentis> right, I'm not really advocating mailing lists :)
Aug 12 03:47:34 <rwhitby> and a blog post is no different from a forum post
Aug 12 03:47:49 <summatusmentis> it is only in terms of visibility
Aug 12 03:48:10 <rwhitby> ah, but that's something different
Aug 12 03:48:36 <rwhitby> if we had an RSS feed of the WebOS Internals forum posts on the front page of webos-internals.org, it would be identical to a blog on the front page.
Aug 12 03:48:57 <summatusmentis> there's still a signal to noise ratio thing
Aug 12 03:48:59 <rwhitby> it's the act of publishing the information on the web site, not whether it comes from a forum or a twitter feed RSS or a blog
Aug 12 03:49:38 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: we also have a facebook page, BTW.
Aug 12 03:50:03 <halfhalo> Ewww, facebook…. oh, wait
Aug 12 03:50:44 <summatusmentis> I'm not claiming that the current information provided is insufficient, I'm more wondering about the way it's provided
Aug 12 03:51:01 <summatusmentis> or maybe the medium's by which it's provided
Aug 12 03:51:29 <rwhitby> the current information provided is always insufficient, cause the second-tier of advanced users have not organised themselves into a conduit of information to the lower tiers
Aug 12 03:52:17 <rwhitby> doesn't matter whether it's a blog or a forum, you won't get a different stream of information just cause it's a blog or a forum or a twitter feed
Aug 12 03:53:01 <rwhitby> blogs are too one-way anyway.  almost as bad a PreCentral front-page articles, cause they are out of date the day after they are published
Aug 12 03:53:19 <summatusmentis> that may be true, I came back after a long time not following this whole community, so maybe I'm the one guy gesticulating wildly in the corner that no one ought to pay attention to
Aug 12 03:53:31 <rwhitby> and if you're going to keep it up to date, then it should be a wiki page, so that multiple people can share in keeping it up to date
Aug 12 03:53:57 <summatusmentis> well, the thing about front-page articles and blogs is that they're front-page
Aug 12 03:54:23 <rwhitby> yep, we have front page wiki articles too.  no-one keeps them up to date either.  why would a blog be any different?
Aug 12 03:54:34 <summatusmentis> it may not be
Aug 12 03:54:41 <oil> wirc has been the featured article since 0.0.4 when we released it, HAHA
Aug 12 03:55:14 <rwhitby> oil: exactly.  until there is someone who takes the responsibility of keeping the front-page of the web site current, it matters not one bit what format the information might be in.
Aug 12 03:55:28 <summatusmentis> alright, that's a fair point
Aug 12 03:55:49 <oil> lol
Aug 12 03:55:51 <rwhitby> now, if there was a person who stepped up to do that job, then they could choose whatever format worked best for them
Aug 12 03:55:57 <summatusmentis> sure
Aug 12 03:55:59 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: are you vounteering?
Aug 12 03:56:03 <oil> haha
Aug 12 03:56:16 <oil> that question seems so innocent :)
Aug 12 03:56:29 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: as of now? no. But that's because a) I don't have a device b) I'm re-new to this community
Aug 12 03:56:54 <summatusmentis> which puts me in a position to decidedly not be knowledgeable about it all
Aug 12 03:58:44 <summatusmentis> that said, maybe at some point in the future
Aug 12 03:59:45 <summatusmentis> I don't mean to re-hash over old wounds, or whatever. Mostly a curiosity, and I tend to think in "better to bring it up than ignore it" terms
Aug 12 03:59:54 <dtzWill> rwhitby: have a second for autobuilder help?
Aug 12 04:00:29 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: sure.  in general, in a meritocracy, the person who does the work gets to decide what form the output of the work should take
Aug 12 04:00:56 <rwhitby> dtzWill: just about to get lunch, but shoot.
Aug 12 04:00:59 <summatusmentis> sure. I wasn't sure how centralized things were/are
Aug 12 04:01:41 <dtzWill> rwhitby: well I'm trying to put somethign into the testing feed, and i'm not sure what's wrong. looking at the logs where i normally look, mason hasn't been run since april...so i think i'm just missing somethign :)
Aug 12 04:01:42 <rwhitby> well, there's one guy who keeps the facebook pages up to date with all announcements ...
Aug 12 04:01:55 <rwhitby> dtzWill: autobuilder is tinker
Aug 12 04:02:34 <dtzWill> rwhitby: oh I see. okay so i'll give it a bit and see if it builds it :)
Aug 12 04:02:39 <dtzWill> rwhitby: thanks, enjoy your lunch
Aug 12 04:03:28 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: I don't mean to keep you from lunch, I should sleep anyway, but now you've got me intrigued. Lemmen think on this idea of "purveyor of information" role
Aug 12 04:07:37 <chrisA> Whosits to the whatsits now?
Aug 12 04:07:56 <halfhalo> you
Aug 12 04:08:59 <chrisA> Conflict of interests
Aug 12 04:09:38 <halfhalo> attempt two at a redmine thin nginx grack clean ubuntu install
Aug 12 04:09:54 <halfhalo> attempt one didn't work out so well, not after the fatalities
Aug 12 04:11:36 <halfhalo> those damn kids… if only they listened...
Aug 12 04:21:02 <torchie> dtzWill ?
Aug 12 04:21:47 <dtzWill> torchie: hi :)
Aug 12 04:22:22 <torchie> sprint finally got 1.4.5 :D
Aug 12 04:22:37 <dtzWill> torchie: yes! they did.
Aug 12 04:22:42 <torchie> today I found there are some troubles with visualboyadvance on 1.4.5, though?
Aug 12 04:22:52 <dtzWill> torchie: what version are you running? 1.1.2?
Aug 12 04:23:05 <torchie> yes
Aug 12 04:23:38 <dtzWill> torchie: yes it's broken on 1.4.5. If you're willing to test, add the testing feeds and grab VBA from there--should work a treat... 1.4.5 support along with a number of improvements :)
Aug 12 04:23:50 <torchie> testing feeds?
Aug 12 04:25:11 <torchie> how would I go about adding the testing feed?
Aug 12 04:26:32 <torchie> ah found it
Aug 12 04:27:56 <Tibfib> dtzWill: oh is it in the testing feed now?
Aug 12 04:28:09 <Tibfib> guess I haven't launched preware today
Aug 12 04:30:03 <torchie> "webos internals testing" - 2 feeds?
Aug 12 04:30:17 <torchie> ah found it
Aug 12 04:30:24 <m0ngr31> hey, i've got a question if there are any webos experts out there
Aug 12 04:30:24 <oil_pre> all and arm7
Aug 12 04:30:29 <dtzWill> Tibfib: just added it... 10 minutes ago :).
Aug 12 04:30:34 <torchie> SWIPE TO RETURN TO ROM SELECTOR WHILE PLAYING
Aug 12 04:30:48 * torchie implodes.
Aug 12 04:30:51 <dtzWill> Tibfib: was actually going to bug you once i confirmed it was up so you could help test :)
Aug 12 04:30:54 <dtzWill> torchie: haha :D
Aug 12 04:30:58 <Tibfib> dtzWill: nice, the beta i got a couple weeks ago was really slick.
Aug 12 04:31:09 <Tibfib> hah
Aug 12 04:31:15 <dtzWill> Tibfib: glad you think so, this should be even better :). ...hopefully :)
Aug 12 04:31:34 <Tibfib> the sound was 100x better
Aug 12 04:31:34 <torchie> :O portrait selector!
Aug 12 04:31:37 <Tibfib> did you change it?
Aug 12 04:31:57 <oil_pre> lol
Aug 12 04:32:07 <Tibfib> well I assume you did... lol
Aug 12 04:32:12 <m0ngr31> does anyone know if it would be possible to port aircrack-ng to webos? would the wifi card in the pre even be able to handle injection/monitoring?
Aug 12 04:32:36 <dtzWill> Tibfib: change it? yes. migrates saves properly, a few rendering optimizations that make things a big faster, etc :)
Aug 12 04:32:58 <torchie> does it save state when you back to selector?
Aug 12 04:33:04 <Tibfib> it seems like a huge improvement... didn't get choppy sound at all.
Aug 12 04:33:08 <dtzWill> torchie: if you have autosave state enabled
Aug 12 04:33:12 <dtzWill> Tibfib: that's good to hear :D
Aug 12 04:33:15 <torchie> fantasmical!
Aug 12 04:33:47 <kernelsandirs> anyone know about how the iphone spoof patch does not affect the ggogle maps app
Aug 12 04:33:53 <torchie> great update :)
Aug 12 04:34:34 <Tibfib> plus it's more stable than before. every once in a while minimizing vba would freeze it. doesn't happen as much anymore
Aug 12 04:34:37 * oil_pre will have to reinstall virtualboy
Aug 12 04:35:04 <halfhalo> haha
Aug 12 04:35:12 <torchie> just happened to me :o
Aug 12 04:35:20 <torchie> it's never happened to me before
Aug 12 04:35:21 <dtzWill> Tibfib: yes I worked on that. unfortunately i think it still can happen. it's a silly race in what happens when things pause. it's on my todo list :)
Aug 12 04:36:01 <dtzWill> good news is that FIRST thing it does when paused is save so hopefully nothing's lost other than an annoyance
Aug 12 04:36:10 <Tman> ok, so how do I use meta-doctor to back up my entire pre?
Aug 12 04:36:14 <torchie> glorious
Aug 12 04:36:21 <oil_pre> it would kill in pkdhotapps
Aug 12 04:36:51 <Tibfib> yes it would
Aug 12 04:37:01 <halfhalo> I heard kill.....
Aug 12 04:38:10 <Tman> maybe I should google it :p
Aug 12 04:38:43 <kernelsandirs> apparently people that have the iphone spoof cannot pan in my app(bfgmaps) and was wondering if anyone knows how to make the spoof not affect a particular app?
Aug 12 04:38:46 <dtzWill> oil_pre: you mean vba? yeah it should be compatible now.. took no small amount of effort, heh
Aug 12 04:39:36 <oil_pre> and since it can still read from usb it doesn't need fstab fixed
Aug 12 04:39:50 <oil_pre> just will need to savegame to appdir
Aug 12 04:39:53 <Tibfib> dtzWill: going to submit it?
Aug 12 04:40:05 <Tibfib> I hope you do and would gladly pay for it
Aug 12 04:40:14 <Tibfib> and I...hah
Aug 12 04:40:27 <dtzWill> Tibfib: ty, and your guys' support is wonderful.
Aug 12 04:40:42 <dtzWill> biggest reason for not charging is i'm conflicted about 'burning' those who've donated.
Aug 12 04:41:05 <Tibfib> How would you burn them?
Aug 12 04:41:22 <Tibfib> oh, if you charged. got it
Aug 12 04:41:22 <dtzWill> Tibfib: charging in catalog, i mean.
Aug 12 04:41:39 <oil_pre> with wirc we plan cheap in catalog,and still free in preware
Aug 12 04:41:49 <dtzWill> oil_pre: yeah that seems the best to me
Aug 12 04:41:49 <Tibfib> dtzWill: they could still get it free in preware
Aug 12 04:42:16 <dtzWill> yep yep
Aug 12 04:42:16 <oil_pre> it sems to work ok for drpodder
Aug 12 04:42:36 <oil_pre> I paid,but stil get it from preware
Aug 12 04:42:51 <oil_pre> cause I think it's great
Aug 12 04:42:57 <dtzWill> oil_pre: heh yeah. <3 preware updating.
Aug 12 04:43:02 <dtzWill> (i did the same)
Aug 12 04:43:14 <kernelsandirs> yeah myq also does that
Aug 12 04:43:43 <Tibfib> hmmm, I can't get the testing feeds to work
Aug 12 04:43:55 <oil_pre> :(
Aug 12 04:44:01 <dtzWill> Tibfib, torchie, anyone else: does VBA seem to be ready to move over? (i've been testing for a few days now, wondering if anyone else has issues/comments)
Aug 12 04:44:04 <dtzWill> Tibfib: :(
Aug 12 04:44:16 <torchie> intensely so!
Aug 12 04:44:17 <Tibfib> dtzWill: got link for ipk? preware feeds?
Aug 12 04:44:33 <rwhitby> Tman: "make backup"
Aug 12 04:44:39 <Tibfib> dtzWill: version I had a couple weeks ago was good enough for public
Aug 12 04:44:46 <torchie> are you considering the Catalog?
Aug 12 04:44:57 <Tibfib> OH, ready for catalog?
Aug 12 04:45:04 <rwhitby> kernelsandirs: I believe it changes the user agent, so probably cannot be done on an app basis.  tell them not to use that patch :)
Aug 12 04:45:20 <torchie> the only issue I see is GBA speed really
Aug 12 04:45:21 <dtzWill> maybe? i'm thinking better sooner than later and I can push updates if there are issues.
Aug 12 04:45:46 <Tibfib> dtzWill: let me run latest verison and I'll give you feedback :)
Aug 12 04:45:49 <oil_pre> 100k would go a long way to helping it speed up :)
Aug 12 04:45:57 <torchie> like if you call it visualboyadvance, and you put it in the catalog, and joe schmo ranks you down because he has a hard time running Chain of Memories
Aug 12 04:46:22 <Tman> rwhitby: thanks
Aug 12 04:46:56 <rwhitby> dtzWill: I wonder if you could do some sort of "approved apps" think like classic does
Aug 12 04:47:28 <kernelsandirs> rwhitbv: thx thought of that but wanted it to work for all :-)
Aug 12 04:47:29 <rwhitby> "This ROM has not be qualified to run correctly - you may experience problems, but don't give a bad review."
Aug 12 04:47:48 <Tibfib> that's not a bad idea
Aug 12 04:47:53 <dtzWill> oil_pre: LOL 100k. hahaha
Aug 12 04:48:09 <oil_pre> lol
Aug 12 04:48:13 <dtzWill> lots of good ideas, /me reads
Aug 12 04:48:25 <oil_pre> the free section has like 10 apps
Aug 12 04:48:35 <oil_pre> last place is still 10k haha
Aug 12 04:48:45 <rwhitby> oil_pre: it will be filled up with iphone game trial versions soon
Aug 12 04:48:56 <dtzWill> rwhitby: lol and display that for all gba games? O:)
Aug 12 04:49:13 <Tibfib> fire emblem runs well
Aug 12 04:49:38 <Tibfib> start page barely stutters... running normal kernel too
Aug 12 04:49:51 <Tibfib> okay, take that back. it stutters a little :)
Aug 12 04:50:00 <Tman> rwhitby: um so I'm trying to install novacom on my 64-bit ubuntu install, but the package palm has is for i386.. can I try to force the install or should I go a different route?
Aug 12 04:50:19 <dtzWill> Tibfib: haha, yeah... but on 800 most things run well. and with autoframeskip (not enabled in present builds, but I plan to add it soon) you can make many games more playable
Aug 12 04:50:32 <Tibfib> dtzWill: is there a help or preferences page?
Aug 12 04:50:41 <dtzWill> since 85% emulation makes for choppy sound, but autoframeksip that by skipping every 1/10th frame and you're golden
Aug 12 04:50:47 <rwhitby> Tman: dunno
Aug 12 04:50:55 <dtzWill> Tibfib: there is not. something I had wnated to do before cat submission was that, but that'll tkae ...time. :/
Aug 12 04:51:08 <Tibfib> Tman: I think palm says to force
Aug 12 04:51:16 <rwhitby> dtzWill: "This ROM requires you to run the UberKernel at 1GHz"
Aug 12 04:51:22 <dtzWill> rwhitby: rofl
Aug 12 04:51:37 <Tibfib> dtzWill: got a version with frame skip enabled? I'll test with my palm kernel
Aug 12 04:51:47 <Tman> k
Aug 12 04:51:57 <rwhitby> they allowed James to refer to a patch in the GPS fix app, so why not referring to Uber1G in VBA ?
Aug 12 04:51:59 <dtzWill> Tibfib: i'll get you one soon.
Aug 12 04:53:35 <dtzWill> well i'm not sure vba would be popular enough? might be better off charging a small amount instead of banking on hot apps. think i'll get swamped to heck with iphone ports as rwhitby mentioned
Aug 12 04:53:52 <Tibfib> I concur.
Aug 12 04:54:07 <kernelsandirs> wish I could see vba on pixi :-)
Aug 12 04:54:32 <dtzWill> kernelsandirs: given 1.4.5's gl support, it might work. i haven't tried it, might just need to recompile for it.
Aug 12 04:54:49 <torchie> can pixi at least do GBC?
Aug 12 04:54:53 <rwhitby> kernelsandirs: does BFGmaps use any PDK or hybrid stuff, or is it all HTML5 stuff?
Aug 12 04:55:06 <Tibfib> I think it's all mojo
Aug 12 04:55:08 * rwhitby hasn't done any spelunking in it yet
Aug 12 04:55:30 <kernelsandirs> rwhitbv: all html5
Aug 12 04:55:50 <Tibfib> kernelsandirs: are you dev?
Aug 12 04:56:10 <kernelsandirs> dtzWill: give it a try pleeeeez :-)
Aug 12 04:56:35 <kernelsandirs> Tibfib: I am bfgmaps dev
Aug 12 04:56:47 <Tibfib> then I probably shouldn't answer your questions :)
Aug 12 04:56:52 <rwhitby> kernelsandirs: have you considered changing it to be an SDL app to win the hot pdk apps contest?
Aug 12 04:57:00 <rwhitby> cause I reckon you'd have a good chance
Aug 12 04:57:39 <rwhitby> kernelsandirs: does the BFG stand for anything?  Big F Gun ?
Aug 12 04:57:47 <kernelsandirs> rwhitbv: do you know if it is easy to port from html5 to pdk?
Aug 12 04:58:02 <rwhitby> kernelsandirs: I expect it's incredibly difficult :)
Aug 12 04:58:25 <kernelsandirs> bfg originally meant better f#cking google maps :-)
Aug 12 04:58:51 <rwhitby> of course :)
Aug 12 04:59:33 <rwhitby> hmm - this third Sprint device of mine just doesn't want to get an update notification
Aug 12 05:00:06 <halfhalo> mine doesn't either
Aug 12 05:00:31 <Tman> updates? fantastic
Aug 12 05:01:06 <halfhalo> i hate you ubuntu
Aug 12 05:01:17 <Tman> too bad I may be sending my pre in soon :[
Aug 12 05:06:00 <halfhalo> All I want to do is install ruby 1.9.1.  should be simple since its in the repo…. but noooo.  ubuntu installs the executable to ruby1.9.1 instead of ruby so _nothing_ works with it
Aug 12 05:07:25 <halfhalo> WHY DO YOU HATE ME SO COMPUTERS
Aug 12 05:07:40 * halfhalo cries in a corner
Aug 12 05:09:19 <oil_pre> lol
Aug 12 05:09:42 <halfhalo> SOURCE TIME
Aug 12 05:09:56 <egaudet>  
Aug 12 05:10:22 <halfhalo> yes, those ____ are really something arn't they
Aug 12 05:15:20 <halfhalo> being root while making it.  BECAUSE I LIKE TO LIVE ON THE EDGE
Aug 12 05:20:17 <Tman> two VMs running and my mbp is swapping like a champ.. 8G of memory is looking nice right now
Aug 12 05:20:39 <halfhalo> lol, I have 2Gb in my mini and am running a vm
Aug 12 05:20:50 <halfhalo> but ssd
Aug 12 05:20:59 <Tman> nice
Aug 12 05:21:19 <Tman> SSD... one day
Aug 12 05:21:26 <halfhalo> cheaper than ram!
Aug 12 05:21:59 <Tman> sure, by the byte
Aug 12 05:22:31 <Tman> but I can't put a small SSD in my only currently functional computer and expect it to hold everything I need
Aug 12 05:22:40 <halfhalo> nah, its like 200ish for a 80GB ssd, but two 4GB DDR3 modules is like 400
Aug 12 05:22:50 <halfhalo> how big is your current drive?
Aug 12 05:22:57 <Tman> 500G
Aug 12 05:23:02 <Tman> and I'm using 450
Aug 12 05:23:05 <Tman> 350*
Aug 12 05:23:14 <halfhalo> get the seagate momentus hybrid
Aug 12 05:23:20 <halfhalo> should help a little
Aug 12 05:23:23 <Tman> WHAT
Aug 12 05:23:33 <Tman> a -hybrid- drive?
Aug 12 05:23:33 <halfhalo> 500GB but with 4GB NAND
Aug 12 05:24:02 <halfhalo> Heh, in my main laptop I have a 60GB SSD plus a 500GB WD Scorpio Blue
Aug 12 05:24:53 <Tman> hmm, I'm intrigued by this..
Aug 12 05:25:07 <halfhalo> ERROR:  Loading command: install (LoadError)
Aug 12 05:25:07 <halfhalo>     no such file to load -- zlib
Aug 12 05:25:07 <halfhalo> ERROR:  While executing gem ... (NameError)
Aug 12 05:25:08 <halfhalo>     uninitialized constant Gem::Commands::InstallCommand
Aug 12 05:25:12 <halfhalo> RAWR!
Aug 12 05:25:27 <Tman> do they make a laptop version of this drive?
Aug 12 05:25:41 <halfhalo> it _is_ a laptop drive
Aug 12 05:26:05 <halfhalo> little more pricey than a regular drive at 120, but not ssd pricey
Aug 12 05:26:25 <Tman> yeah
Aug 12 05:26:49 <Tman> what I don't understand is how the 4GB SSD improves the performance so much
Aug 12 05:27:03 <halfhalo> it basically acts as a big ass read cache
Aug 12 05:27:12 <Tman> does it automatically load the most-read sectors into SSD?
Aug 12 05:27:14 <Tman> okay
Aug 12 05:27:26 <halfhalo> yeah
Aug 12 05:28:07 <halfhalo> it provides small bumps in everyday use over time
Aug 12 05:28:07 <Tman> dang, too bad I already bought this 500G drive recently :p
Aug 12 05:28:23 <halfhalo> lol, I got mine for 50 bucks about a year ago
Aug 12 05:28:39 <dtzWill> wow, lesson learned: don't run govnah while doing speed tests LOL
Aug 12 05:28:52 <Tman> it's a Hitachi though.. so it's probably quieter and I don't have to worry about sudden drop sensor compatibility
Aug 12 05:29:56 <halfhalo> I have a thinkpad.  I don't care about drop sensor since my laptop has one thats fun to play with, and mine is a wd scorpio blue :p
Aug 12 05:30:52 <dtzWill> Tibfib: see pm :)
Aug 12 05:34:24 <halfhalo> RUBY FAI:
Aug 12 05:34:30 * halfhalo dies
Aug 12 05:35:43 <halfhalo> socal ftw
Aug 12 05:36:27 * halfhalo cheers as rack builds
Aug 12 05:37:42 * halfhalo boos as rubygems takes _hours_ to install documentation
Aug 12 05:45:05 <Max> hi everyone
Aug 12 06:30:34 <swisstomcat> morning
Aug 12 06:31:47 <hape> ~seen noradtux_
Aug 12 06:31:51 <infobot> noradtux_ is currently on #webos-internals (4h 27m 53s), last said: 'morning'.
Aug 12 06:31:59 <swisstomcat> hallo hape
Aug 12 06:32:08 <hape> Hi swisstomcat
Aug 12 06:32:38 <hape> noradtux_: Are you still working on the Javascript srevice for speechd ?
Aug 12 06:32:55 <swisstomcat> i've installed the latest navit .. when i start it i get a black screen. any ideas?
Aug 12 06:36:33 <hape> swisstomcat: stupit question. Did you installed a map?
Aug 12 06:37:10 <swisstomcat> yes, i have a map already installed from testing earlier versions
Aug 12 06:37:12 <swisstomcat> unless something has changed?
Aug 12 06:37:17 <hape> swisstomcat: If yes, check the log file in the folder where you copied the map to
Aug 12 06:37:35 <swisstomcat> hold on
Aug 12 06:37:58 <hape> The only chnage in the lasted update was that the map folder is now created in the postinst script.
Aug 12 06:39:08 <swisstomcat> what's the path again?
Aug 12 06:40:38 <swisstomcat> for the maps?
Aug 12 06:41:49 <hape> appdata/org.webosinternals.navit from the usb drive root
Aug 12 06:42:08 <hape> appdata/org.webosinternal.navit/maps for the maps
Aug 12 06:42:18 <swisstomcat> ah, there
Aug 12 06:42:25 <swisstomcat> thx
Aug 12 06:42:39 <hape> if you not chnaged it in appdata/org.webosinternals.navit/navit.xml
Aug 12 06:42:52 <swisstomcat> Navit log started
Aug 12 06:42:54 <swisstomcat> navit:main_real:Using '/media/internal/appdata/org.webosinternals.navit//navit.xml'
Aug 12 06:42:55 <swisstomcat> that's all
Aug 12 06:43:29 <hape> Then something is goind defnely wrong. That is the old path from the alpha version
Aug 12 06:44:22 <hape> did you removed navit alpa, locale and easpeak before updating to the testing feed version?
Aug 12 06:44:31 <swisstomcat> i thought i deleted everything except the maps at one point
Aug 12 06:44:51 <swisstomcat> yeah
Aug 12 06:45:06 <swisstomcat> i'm positive i did
Aug 12 06:45:07 <swisstomcat> but let me check
Aug 12 06:46:06 <hape> best would be to delete the appdata/org.webosinternals.navit folder, remove and reinstall Navit to start with fresh settings
Aug 12 06:46:17 <hape> then copy the map back to the right place
Aug 12 06:46:23 <swisstomcat> ok, i can do that
Aug 12 06:46:53 <hape> and check if the old fodler that was in your logg is still exisiting. You can delet it if yes
Aug 12 06:50:06 <swisstomcat> reinstalling, i've deleted the folder
Aug 12 06:50:46 <swisstomcat> so postinst should create that folder again
Aug 12 06:54:21 <swisstomcat> bah, same thing
Aug 12 06:54:24 <swisstomcat> same log
Aug 12 06:54:43 <swisstomcat> i must do something wrong
Aug 12 06:54:53 <swisstomcat> i've installed 0.2.0.3490-4
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Aug 12 14:56:42 <en0x> it's so quiet here
Aug 12 14:56:48 <en0x> like never after upgrades
Aug 12 14:59:58 <Templarian> I lost internet at work this is annoying.
Aug 12 14:59:58 <Templarian> Just http it would seem, everything else is fine.
Aug 12 15:00:30 <Templarian> That was the longest 20min without internet ever.
Aug 12 15:00:35 <en0x> lol
Aug 12 15:00:38 <en0x> u r addicted my friend
Aug 12 15:04:13 <summatusmentis> this is maybe a stupid question, but is there a terminal app?
Aug 12 15:04:26 <en0x> yes
Aug 12 15:04:38 <en0x> there is 2
Aug 12 15:05:19 <summatusmentis> cool
Aug 12 15:05:46 <en0x> yap
Aug 12 15:05:49 <summatusmentis> sorry, I'm obsessing over October, when I can put a device on SERO
Aug 12 15:05:52 <en0x> i'm so bored at work
Aug 12 15:06:02 <en0x> there is no SERO afaik
Aug 12 15:06:22 <summatusmentis> SERO is no longer available, that's true
Aug 12 15:06:39 <summatusmentis> I've still got my plan, and apparently Sprint will allow newer devices on SERO for $10/mo more
Aug 12 15:07:14 <en0x> i wish i could get SERO
Aug 12 15:09:04 <summatusmentis> this rumor is "all but" official
Aug 12 15:09:09 <tmzt> is anybody still working on the Xsdl port?
Aug 12 15:09:34 <en0x> summatusmentis: so how much u will pay?
Aug 12 15:09:38 <en0x> i pay 60 bucks now
Aug 12 15:09:45 <en0x> with the 15% discount included
Aug 12 15:09:47 <summatusmentis> en0x: I'm currently on the $30/mo SERO plan
Aug 12 15:09:52 <summatusmentis> so with the $10 addon, $40
Aug 12 15:10:05 <summatusmentis> or $50 if I want 4G
Aug 12 15:10:10 <en0x> that's aint bad
Aug 12 15:10:17 <en0x> and all unlimited right?
Aug 12 15:10:22 <summatusmentis> should be
Aug 12 15:10:28 <summatusmentis> or "unlimited" (5GB)
Aug 12 15:10:30 <en0x> give it to me ;d
Aug 12 15:10:34 <summatusmentis> I'm not sure what Sprint's current policy is
Aug 12 15:10:39 <en0x> for smartphones internet is unlimited
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Aug 12 16:21:22 <djk> I have couple patches that fail on update or trying to remove post the 1.4.5 update. Anyone know if there is a way to correct this? (no auto-off while charging, Named Pages in the Launcher)
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Aug 12 19:18:32 <Cinna> hi, im trying to install preware with webos quick install and it says no device found when i click install. I have my Pre in developer mode and it is fully updated
Aug 12 19:19:22 <Cinna> any ideas?
Aug 12 19:19:41 <Mousey> linux?
Aug 12 19:19:47 <Cinna> win xp
Aug 12 19:19:53 <Mousey> oh
Aug 12 19:19:58 <jettero> upgrade to 7
Aug 12 19:20:06 <jettero> <--- not being serious
Aug 12 19:20:08 <Cinna> ive tried it on 7 and xp
Aug 12 19:20:08 * Mousey hasn't used windows for 12 years, waits for someone else to answer
Aug 12 19:20:21 <Cinna> both say no device found
Aug 12 19:20:37 <jettero> I used windows from time to time.. but not for anything useful, just games
Aug 12 19:20:46 <Cinna> =(
Aug 12 19:20:47 <jettero> still... did your phone come up as a dev to windows?
Aug 12 19:20:50 <jettero> does it know it's there?
Aug 12 19:20:58 <Cinna> let me check it again
Aug 12 19:21:07 <jettero> did your phone ask: usb drive, just charge?
Aug 12 19:21:25 <Cinna> hmm the phone isnt asking now
Aug 12 19:21:34 <Cinna> i just unplugged and plugged it back in
Aug 12 19:21:39 <Cinna> and it auto charges
Aug 12 19:21:53 <Cinna> is this something new in the 1.4.5 update?
Aug 12 19:21:54 <jettero> well, webos quick install isn't going to see it if windows doesn't
Aug 12 19:22:01 <jettero> now
Aug 12 19:22:04 <jettero> er... no
Aug 12 19:22:10 * chrisA lurks
Aug 12 19:22:11 <jettero> to me, it feels like a windows problem
Aug 12 19:22:18 <jettero> try rebooting the phone and the windows machine
Aug 12 19:22:27 <Cinna> k
Aug 12 19:22:44 <Cinna> any other suggestions before i do so
Aug 12 19:22:49 <Cinna> just in case
Aug 12 19:22:53 <jettero> shrug
Aug 12 19:23:01 <jettero> I think your problem is getting the phone to talk to windows
Aug 12 19:23:07 <jettero> everything else will work after that
Aug 12 19:23:19 <Cinna> hmm i may need to load linux on partition of my netbook then
Aug 12 19:23:32 <jettero> probably not necessary
Aug 12 19:23:36 <jettero> people install from windows all the time
Aug 12 19:23:45 <jettero> I think one of your phone or the computer, are confused
Aug 12 19:23:54 <Cinna> or me lol
Aug 12 19:23:59 <jettero> heh
Aug 12 19:24:03 <Cinna> i saw that it says to put it in just charge mode
Aug 12 19:24:11 <Cinna> but how will windows see the phone if its in that mode
Aug 12 19:24:14 <jettero> oh, well, then the phone sees windows I think
Aug 12 19:24:28 <Mousey> Cinna: because of the magic of USB
Aug 12 19:24:47 <Cinna> i figured charge mode keeps it from showing up as a usable device
Aug 12 19:24:57 <Mousey> don't figure that
Aug 12 19:25:04 <Cinna> lol k
Aug 12 19:25:17 <Cinna> alright im going to restart and see if that helps
Aug 12 19:25:35 <Cinna> thanks for the advice and other commentary ;)
Aug 12 19:25:37 <Mousey> <rant>this is why windows it toxic, it hides too much from people, and allows silly misconceptions to arise</rant>
Aug 12 19:28:38 <appamajig> Eh Mousey? I don't follow what was being hidden...
Aug 12 19:29:01 <Mousey> appamajig: everything useful. ever read the windows equivalent of syslog?
Aug 12 19:29:14 <Havek> Hello
Aug 12 19:29:35 <appamajig> *shrug* nope...
Aug 12 19:30:24 <Mousey> welp, there ya goi
Aug 12 19:30:26 <Mousey> -i
Aug 12 19:30:43 <Havek> Has anyone tried the gameboy advance emmulator? (No I don't need sites for roms.)
Aug 12 19:30:56 <appamajig> I use and love Linux... but I wouldn't put it on anyone else's computer... it would be too frustrating for them. Every time they wanted to install a program I would have to show up and do it for them or help them out... *shrug* windows has a specific and very good user target.
Aug 12 19:31:00 <halfhalo_class> someone here wrote it
Aug 12 19:31:14 <Mousey> uh
Aug 12 19:31:16 <Mousey> really?
Aug 12 19:31:19 <appamajig> I'm not saying that it doesn't have it's problems, but at least I can install it on my mom's computer and not have to show up again for a while :P
Aug 12 19:31:28 <Mousey> my wife is in HR, she loves linux, my brother's in construciton and loves linux
Aug 12 19:31:49 <Mousey> my mom has a mac, and is a pain to support. she's getting linux next too
Aug 12 19:32:04 <appamajig> That's great. I hope it works out well for them
Aug 12 19:32:07 <Mousey> it has
Aug 12 19:32:09 <Mousey> for years
Aug 12 19:32:27 <Mousey> i always wonder when people bring up supporting linux why they think it's more difficult
Aug 12 19:32:37 <jettero> it's definitely not more difficult
Aug 12 19:32:38 <Mousey> in practice it's a lot easier
Aug 12 19:32:44 <appamajig> myself, I spent hours getting my nvidia drivers installed the first time around. I've spent a lot of time with wine to get my games working... *shrug* Linux is great... but imho not great enough :)
Aug 12 19:32:46 <jettero> it's because people are accustomed to windows
Aug 12 19:32:53 <jettero> my wife can hardly tell the difference
Aug 12 19:32:56 <Mousey> jettero: i guess
Aug 12 19:33:41 <Havek> The main question I had about the emulator  was I loaded some stuff the way it said and the thing just looks at me.. It doesn't do anything when I try and run them LoL
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Aug 12 20:08:16 <dtzWill> cryptk: exellent!
Aug 12 20:08:21 <dtzWill> *excellent
Aug 12 21:03:05 <halfhalo_class> wawawaaaa
Aug 12 21:38:54 <precautious> 'lo
Aug 12 21:41:17 <precautious> So I've got a dumb question although I've always wondered: How exactly /hard/ is it to port Android to a Pre? I understand that there'd be a lot of work driver-wise, but to what extent would a port require?
Aug 12 21:43:20 <Ron001> Named Pages in the Launcher did not play well with AUPT and 1.4.5.  Cant remove and cant update (Unreversed patch detected).  Can I fix this without EPR and reinstalling everything?
Aug 12 21:47:57 <Mousey> 1.4.5 is out?
Aug 12 21:48:13 <oilsworkn> for sprint!
Aug 12 21:48:17 * Mousey is sprint!
Aug 12 21:48:19 * Mousey EPRs
Aug 12 21:48:23 <Mousey> wait, do i have to?
Aug 12 21:48:34 <oilsworkn> no
Aug 12 21:48:38 <oilsworkn> intsall over the top!
Aug 12 21:48:44 <Mousey> for srs?!
Aug 12 21:48:44 <oilsworkn> make sure you run palm-backup
Aug 12 21:48:49 <Mousey> whats that
Aug 12 21:48:49 <oilsworkn> and save restore though :)
Aug 12 21:48:56 <oilsworkn> palms backup thing?
Aug 12 21:49:01 <Mousey> the backup icon?
Aug 12 21:49:03 <Mousey> that never works
Aug 12 21:49:06 <Mousey> Q_Q
Aug 12 21:49:22 <oilsworkn> does for me :)
Aug 12 21:49:52 * Mousey hits "Back up now" button
Aug 12 21:50:08 <Mousey> i wish i could back up to my OWN server =(
Aug 12 21:50:29 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 12 21:51:17 <Mousey> Backup complete!
Aug 12 21:51:25 <Mousey> ..and why is that funny?!
Aug 12 21:51:32 <oilsworkn> everything is!
Aug 12 21:51:51 * Mousey wondres whats in the update
Aug 12 21:52:02 <precautious> "bug fixes" is all I saw on mine
Aug 12 21:52:22 <cryptk> Mousey: update saved package list in preware, then run save/restore
Aug 12 21:52:24 * Mousey hopes his apps and patches survive
Aug 12 21:52:24 <cryptk> then update
Aug 12 21:52:41 <Mousey> oh, update preware's saved package list?
Aug 12 21:53:29 <cryptk> yes
Aug 12 21:53:38 <cryptk> in case you need to restore it for some reason
Aug 12 21:53:54 <cryptk> after the OTA launch preware, update feeds and do update all
Aug 12 21:54:42 <Ron001> but...patches that touch more than one package need to be removed before you update. they are not AUPT compatible.
Aug 12 21:54:54 <oilsworkn> there is a list on the internets
Aug 12 21:54:55 * Mousey wonders which those are
Aug 12 21:55:15 <Ron001> Which I think is why I had a problem with Named Pages in the Launcher
Aug 12 21:55:31 <Ron001> Its not on the list, but I didn't survive the update
Aug 12 21:55:35 * Mousey waves fist at greg's awesome message plugins of great awesome
Aug 12 21:55:37 * Mousey removes them
Aug 12 21:56:44 <oilsworkn> on the plus side, you can now run wirc 030 with webos 145 :)
Aug 12 21:58:49 <cryptk> if it isn't on the list it isn't one of them
Aug 12 21:59:15 <cryptk> we ran through them all to make that list
Aug 12 21:59:47 <Ron001> fair enough, but Im still stuck. can I remove that patch without EPR everything?
Aug 12 22:01:14 <cryptk> try removing other patches that might conflict with it first
Aug 12 22:01:22 <cryptk> some patches have to be added.removed in certain orders
Aug 12 22:02:08 <Ron001> so I'll remove all my other launcher patches and see if I can remove it?
Aug 12 22:02:35 <Ron001> I'm getting a Unreversed patch detected error
Aug 12 22:03:50 <cryptk> yeah
Aug 12 22:04:07 <cryptk> if there are more than one patch that touch the same file you can get that error
Aug 12 22:04:22 <cryptk> so try removing any patches that may touch the same file(s) as that one
Aug 12 22:04:32 <cryptk> note files does not equal packages
Aug 12 22:04:47 <cryptk> the phone app is a package, it has multiple files
Aug 12 22:05:14 <Ron001> ok, thanks.  I'll check it out.
Aug 12 22:05:18 <cryptk> the upgrade AUPT problem is with patches that touch multiple packages, multiple files is fine as long as all of those files are in the same package
Aug 12 22:05:32 <cryptk> or if they are in more than on package, both of those packages are upgraded
Aug 12 22:05:57 <cryptk> problem shows up with patches that touch multiple packages and only some but not all of those packages are budated
Aug 12 22:06:07 <cryptk> s/budated/updated/
Aug 12 22:06:44 <rwhitby> Mousey: you can use meta-doctor to make a complete filesystem-level backup of the device
Aug 12 22:07:08 <cryptk> rwhitby: is the process to do that on the wiki anywhere?
Aug 12 22:07:28 <Ron001> ok. So I think for me it will be easier to just remove likely patches by trial and error than to do all that research in each one
Aug 12 22:07:47 <cryptk> yeah, just remove launcher patches until you can remove the one you need to
Aug 12 22:07:54 <cryptk> your problem likely isn't even caused by the OTA
Aug 12 22:08:01 <cryptk> the OTA just brought it to your attention
Aug 12 22:08:43 <Ron001> interesting. Then I hit the right order when I put them on.  I feel like that astronaut in Appolo 13
Aug 12 22:08:51 <cryptk> hehe, yep
Aug 12 22:08:57 <oilsworkn> tom hanks?
Aug 12 22:09:03 <oilsworkn> xD
Aug 12 22:09:08 <cryptk> I ran into the same problem with the OTA, it was with some browser patches
Aug 12 22:09:12 <Ron001> no, the one on the ground trying all the startup options
Aug 12 22:09:20 <cryptk> the ones to add the bookmarks tile view and new card button
Aug 12 22:09:21 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 12 22:09:32 <rwhitby> cryptk: "make backup"
Aug 12 22:09:39 <cryptk> cool
Aug 12 22:09:46 <cryptk> just do it with the pre connected I take it
Aug 12 22:10:09 <rwhitby> yep
Aug 12 22:20:06 <Ron001> There should be a way for Preware to look at all patches applied to a file and determine their line by line compatability together and apply them at once.
Aug 12 22:20:33 <Ron001> Anyway, I just removed every launcher patch and I still can't remove the Named Pages patch. :(
Aug 12 22:20:43 <oilsworkn> preware is not a patch tool
Aug 12 22:20:45 <oilsworkn> its a package installer
Aug 12 22:20:52 <oilsworkn> the patches just happen to be packaged the same as apps
Aug 12 22:20:56 <dr_jkl> lol
Aug 12 22:21:15 <Ron001> Next I'll be tellin ya I'm rootin my Pre!
Aug 12 22:21:26 <dr_jkl> so for what it's worth, i've been running the cpu frequency scaling patch,
Aug 12 22:21:57 <rwhitby> what's that?
Aug 12 22:21:58 <dr_jkl> i've had two lockups, but i believe they were related to a different patch since i haven't had it happen since the suspect patch was removed
Aug 12 22:22:21 <dr_jkl> and my battery life seems to have improved a good 15%
Aug 12 22:23:00 <dr_jkl> rwhitby: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_CPU_Frequency_or_Voltage_Scaling#CPU_Scaling
Aug 12 22:23:04 <dr_jkl> this
Aug 12 22:23:24 <dr_jkl> i mirrored the script on my webserver with a shorter url and just curl -O'd it from the pre to download. easy peasy lemon squeezy.
Aug 12 22:24:29 <Amplificator> rwhitby: DId you see my PM?
Aug 12 22:24:43 <Ron001> Can I run EPR with 1.4.5 when the offending patch was installed with 1.4.1? Will be backup be from the wrong OS?
Aug 12 22:25:57 <rwhitby> Amplificator: my IRC bouncer reset overnight
Aug 12 22:26:24 <Amplificator> Sent them again
Aug 12 22:26:35 <cryptk> the EPR runs the remove script for all patches
Aug 12 22:27:03 <Ron001> Description says it restores backup files
Aug 12 22:27:11 <cryptk> it may...
Aug 12 22:27:13 <cryptk> not sure
Aug 12 22:27:23 <Mousey> rwhitby: ty
Aug 12 22:27:32 <cryptk> rwhitby: is it safe to EPR after an OTA or will the restore be off?
Aug 12 22:29:07 <cryptk> Ron001: it says you can run it after
Aug 12 22:29:12 <cryptk> in the description
Aug 12 22:29:45 <Ron001> Yes, but it said "directly".  I don't know how that plays in
Aug 12 22:30:08 <cryptk> you should be fine
Aug 12 22:30:15 <Ron001> I guess I can't be any worse than I am now.  I have backups of everything
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Aug 12 22:56:26 <dr_jkl> oilsworkn: you've made my day. thank you!
Aug 12 22:56:27 <dr_jkl> :)
Aug 12 22:56:31 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 12 22:56:44 <cryptk> oilsworkn: reminds me of... "If you don't compile your own kernel..."
Aug 12 22:57:03 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 12 22:57:09 <dr_jkl> i used to roll my own kernels when i built my own machines
Aug 12 22:58:56 <oilsworkn> dr_jkl: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Govnah
Aug 12 22:59:03 <dr_jkl> i've been rtfming :)
Aug 12 22:59:09 <oilsworkn> :)
Aug 12 22:59:53 <dr_jkl> hmm
Aug 12 23:00:25 <dr_jkl> i think i might need to adjust my up_threshhold
Aug 12 23:00:26 <oilsworkn> those screenshots are actually of the current version, too, haha
Aug 12 23:00:28 <dr_jkl> threshold*
Aug 12 23:00:37 <oilsworkn> welcome back infobot
Aug 12 23:02:23 <dr_jkl> where, physically, is the pre's processor located?
Aug 12 23:03:02 <oilsworkn> there are teardown pics on the internets
Aug 12 23:03:06 <oilsworkn> but i dont know
Aug 12 23:04:34 <egaudet> morning
Aug 12 23:05:29 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: i got wireless n working with the eee
Aug 12 23:06:00 <egaudet> nice
Aug 12 23:07:11 <dr_jkl> ok. that's one problem solved.
Aug 12 23:08:17 <datafirm> Govnah, Mode Switcher, and the top menu hack are an awesome combo.
Aug 12 23:08:34 <oilsworkn> oh, Yoppo got the govnah support in?
Aug 12 23:08:38 * oilsworkn is going to have to try it out again
Aug 12 23:08:51 <dr_jkl> i changed up_threshhold to 70. we'll see if this makes things suck or if it improves.
Aug 12 23:09:11 <oilsworkn> now you gotta redo your text file...
Aug 12 23:09:20 <dr_jkl> nah, i just edited it on the phone
Aug 12 23:09:23 <oilsworkn> "but with the scroll, you just keep rolling for more paper"
Aug 12 23:09:24 <dr_jkl> nbd
Aug 12 23:09:27 <oilsworkn> :)
Aug 12 23:09:33 <datafirm> oilsworkn: Its finally working for me! can swtich govnah profiles!
Aug 12 23:09:42 <oilsworkn> nice
Aug 12 23:11:32 <dr_jkl> hm
Aug 12 23:11:41 <dr_jkl> i dont' see any latency at 70
Aug 12 23:11:53 <dr_jkl> ooh, i know a good test
Aug 12 23:11:57 * dr_jkl fires up the demo video
Aug 12 23:12:35 <dr_jkl> ahh. flickering. ok
Aug 12 23:12:39 <dr_jkl> back down it goes.
Aug 12 23:12:39 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: still nothing on W|R :(
Aug 12 23:12:46 <oilsworkn> i know, i saw
Aug 12 23:12:50 <oilsworkn> or rather, didn't see :)
Aug 12 23:13:27 <oilsworkn> dr_jkl: are you just running the stock kernel?
Aug 12 23:13:40 <oilsworkn> people seem to like the screenstate governor in uberkernel
Aug 12 23:14:07 <Yoppo> yep the govnah support is finally in and working :)
Aug 12 23:14:15 <oilsworkn> nice
Aug 12 23:14:16 <dr_jkl> yeah, i'm just running the stock kernel.
Aug 12 23:14:29 <Yoppo> although I do have one question and whish for one change in it if possible :)
Aug 12 23:14:31 <dr_jkl> i'm working on trying to extend the battery life by doing throttling.
Aug 12 23:14:41 <oilsworkn> Yoppo: ive been thinking about changing the setprofile thing
Aug 12 23:14:49 <Yoppo> yes about that
Aug 12 23:14:56 <oilsworkn> right now if you tell it to set a profile that has been deleted it just ignores the request
Aug 12 23:15:07 <oilsworkn> im thinking about going backj to palm default if it doesn't exist
Aug 12 23:15:07 <PuffTheMagic> would be nice if the someone made the screenstate gov a module
Aug 12 23:15:19 <PuffTheMagic> so that it didnt need a custom kernel
Aug 12 23:15:22 <oilsworkn> so you don't get stuck in an overclocking profile
Aug 12 23:15:36 <Yoppo> also could it be possible for the getProgiles to return the data in onSuccess rather that with starting the app?
Aug 12 23:15:45 <Yoppo> that sound good
Aug 12 23:15:46 <oilsworkn> hm
Aug 12 23:15:49 <oilsworkn> thats a service thing xD
Aug 12 23:15:54 <oilsworkn> rwhitby: ^?
Aug 12 23:16:00 <oilsworkn> the service doesn't know about the profiles
Aug 12 23:16:02 <oilsworkn> only the app does
Aug 12 23:16:04 <oilsworkn> they're in a cookie
Aug 12 23:16:08 <Yoppo> ah I see
Aug 12 23:16:12 <oilsworkn> i guess the service could run the sqlite commands to extract it
Aug 12 23:16:18 <oilsworkn> which maybe you can talk rwhitby into :)
Aug 12 23:16:43 <Yoppo> since the govnah support is separate extension to MS but now it neeeds special support for passing the launch parameter to it
Aug 12 23:16:43 <oilsworkn> but that does seem like the better way if it can be done
Aug 12 23:16:50 <oilsworkn> yeah
Aug 12 23:16:57 <Yoppo> so its not a big problem but at some point would be nice
Aug 12 23:17:12 <oilsworkn> yeah
Aug 12 23:17:19 <Yoppo> the question I had was that can I trust that there is no progile with id 0 or not
Aug 12 23:17:28 <Yoppo> profile..
Aug 12 23:17:32 <oilsworkn> um
Aug 12 23:17:34 <oilsworkn> i dont think there is
Aug 12 23:17:37 <oilsworkn> i think it starts with 1
Aug 12 23:17:48 <oilsworkn> but i haven't looked at that code in a month or so, so i could be wrong
Aug 12 23:18:07 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: we need to also list and process the profiles in reverse order
Aug 12 23:18:28 <oilsworkn> hm?
Aug 12 23:18:33 <rwhitby> so that the latest added profile is at the top, and overrides any predefined profile that is a subset
Aug 12 23:18:47 <oilsworkn> ah
Aug 12 23:19:02 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: doctor your phone again so that the W|R article comes out
Aug 12 23:19:13 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 12 23:19:16 * oilsworkn knew that would happen
Aug 12 23:19:29 <oilsworkn> waiting for MONTHS
Aug 12 23:19:38 <oilsworkn> finally doctor, and BAM 145 gets released
Aug 12 23:19:43 <oilsworkn> like 2 days later
Aug 12 23:20:01 <dr_jkl> ew!
Aug 12 23:20:06 * dr_jkl tweaks more and reboot
Aug 12 23:20:12 <oilsworkn> reboot?
Aug 12 23:20:19 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 12 23:20:25 <dr_jkl> yep
Aug 12 23:20:26 <summatusmentis> W|R?
Aug 12 23:20:29 <dr_jkl> just to be sure :)
Aug 12 23:20:34 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 12 23:20:42 <oilsworkn> summatusmentis: webosroundup
Aug 12 23:20:48 <summatusmentis> ok
Aug 12 23:20:52 <oilsworkn> apparently at some point they're putting up an article on wirc030
Aug 12 23:20:57 <oilsworkn> so the story goes xD
Aug 12 23:21:06 <summatusmentis> :)
Aug 12 23:23:21 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: i think its gonna be more about hybirds
Aug 12 23:23:27 <PuffTheMagic> and how wirc has always been one
Aug 12 23:23:40 <oilsworkn> ah
Aug 12 23:23:41 <PuffTheMagic> orsometing like that
Aug 12 23:24:02 <PuffTheMagic> we have been every type of hybrid
Aug 12 23:24:04 <PuffTheMagic> except nsapi
Aug 12 23:24:06 <oilsworkn> lol
Aug 12 23:24:16 <oilsworkn> was it ever a java service?
Aug 12 23:24:20 <oilsworkn> i thought it started out as c
Aug 12 23:24:28 <oilsworkn> after the ubermon test
Aug 12 23:24:35 <halfhalo-final> moooooooo
Aug 12 23:24:35 <PuffTheMagic> oh yeah
Aug 12 23:24:44 <oilsworkn> so
Aug 12 23:24:50 <oilsworkn> all the good types :)
Aug 12 23:24:50 <PuffTheMagic> half of them
Aug 12 23:27:26 <PuffTheMagic> is it possible to install a ipk buy clicking on a link in a browser?
Aug 12 23:28:02 <rwhitby> yes, just set the association for preware
Aug 12 23:28:25 <PuffTheMagic> can that be done with out any hack?
Aug 12 23:28:38 <PuffTheMagic> well
Aug 12 23:28:40 <PuffTheMagic> if it needs preware
Aug 12 23:28:44 <PuffTheMagic> that doesnt help me
Aug 12 23:29:01 <rwhitby> you can use Jason's Internalz instead if you like
Aug 12 23:29:09 <PuffTheMagic> no that dont help either
Aug 12 23:29:20 <cryptk> download it, then use ipkg at command line
Aug 12 23:29:27 <PuffTheMagic> nope
Aug 12 23:29:36 <cryptk> then no
Aug 12 23:29:36 <PuffTheMagic> i wanted to install an ipk from a pdk app
Aug 12 23:29:39 <PuffTheMagic> if possible
Aug 12 23:29:56 <cryptk> is it a PDK app you are writing?
Aug 12 23:30:13 <PuffTheMagic> cryptk: its a fake wirc pdk app
Aug 12 23:30:20 <PuffTheMagic> i guess it will just say install preware
Aug 12 23:30:37 <cryptk> ahh, so an app that you install that will then download and install wirc
Aug 12 23:30:42 <PuffTheMagic> yeah
Aug 12 23:30:44 <dr_jkl> damn it
Aug 12 23:30:47 <PuffTheMagic> but i dont think that will work
Aug 12 23:30:54 <cryptk> that's very sneaky
Aug 12 23:30:58 <dr_jkl> i spent 5 minutes trying to wipe a dust fleck off my lcd screen
Aug 12 23:31:03 <dr_jkl> it turns out it was a comma
Aug 12 23:31:06 <dr_jkl> >_<
Aug 12 23:31:35 <rwhitby> so you want to do it without homebrew already installed?  not possible (would be reported as a serious security vulnerability)
Aug 12 23:31:54 <halfhalo-final> WAAAYYY Ahead of you with that….
Aug 12 23:31:55 <halfhalo-final> :p
Aug 12 23:32:04 <PuffTheMagic> how do the palm web feed things work?
Aug 12 23:32:18 <halfhalo-final> Insta-no-review push
Aug 12 23:41:35 <egaudet> palm web feed doesn't have PDK apps I don't think
Aug 12 23:41:54 <dr_jkl> now, the only thing that might make uberkernel worth it is if it doesn't cause my palm to lock up occasionally
Aug 12 23:41:59 <cryptk> hrm... why not make a PDK app that has a list of all of the WOSI apps that are in the app cat/beta feeds
Aug 12 23:42:06 <cryptk> any app made my a WOSI dev
Aug 12 23:42:15 <cryptk> so VBA would be in it, your dot game
Aug 12 23:42:26 <cryptk> once they allow hybrids have WIRC in it
Aug 12 23:42:53 <cryptk> have all of the apps in the cat/beta feeds have a price, have the PDK app list also say that they are available for free through preware
Aug 12 23:43:09 <cryptk> much like how dtzWill_ put in his description for VBA
Aug 13 00:09:47 * oil thinks wirc app in catalog that isn't the real wirc is a bad idea
Aug 13 00:11:12 <oil> PuffTheMagic: ^
Aug 13 00:12:14 * cryptk thinks it will never pass the app guidelines
Aug 13 00:13:01 <rwhitby> Ben basically said on the W|R devcast that they would accept wIRC as an early hybrid app.  Should just work on making that happen.
Aug 13 00:14:11 <cryptk> rwhitby: having a problem with make backup http://webos.pastebin.com/dQwRJaEB
Aug 13 00:14:44 <rwhitby> cryptk: memboot it first
Aug 13 00:15:08 <cryptk> memboot or recovery mode?
Aug 13 00:15:33 <rwhitby> "make memboot backup"
Aug 13 00:15:49 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: how exactly can i "make that happen"
Aug 13 00:15:53 <PuffTheMagic> i have no clout
Aug 13 00:16:02 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: have you discussed it with Ben?
Aug 13 00:16:09 <PuffTheMagic> sure have
Aug 13 00:16:10 <cryptk> Please download the correct version of the webOS Doctor .jar file
Aug 13 00:16:10 <cryptk> and then move it to downloads/webosdoctorundefined-.jar (i.e. the downloads directory that was just created under the current directory).
Aug 13 00:16:21 <cryptk> but I have webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.4.5.jar in there already
Aug 13 00:16:23 <Mousey> nope
Aug 13 00:16:27 <Mousey> updates ate all my patches
Aug 13 00:16:35 * Mousey prepares to EPR =(
Aug 13 00:16:41 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: provided them with the latest ipk file, created an app catalog account, submitted the application and all corresponding material /
Aug 13 00:17:04 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: i havent created any accounts
Aug 13 00:17:10 <PuffTheMagic> but he has a recent ipk
Aug 13 00:17:30 <rwhitby> you're a long way away from having something in the app catalog if you don't even have an account yet
Aug 13 00:17:30 <oil> didn't someone create a webos-internals account for the catalog?
Aug 13 00:18:18 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: hybirds have to be allowed before making an account makses sense
Aug 13 00:18:38 <oil> and we would need to remove dcc
Aug 13 00:18:44 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: you seem to want to make it hard for yourself by not following the required process until too late
Aug 13 00:18:45 <oil> since we can't write to /media/internal
Aug 13 00:19:12 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: its not that im trying to not folloow the required process, that just seems premature to me
Aug 13 00:19:38 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: you're looking at it the wrong way then.  you're working with a company - you need to follow their process, not the other way around
Aug 13 00:19:54 <cryptk> rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/GJZ5h1Dx
Aug 13 00:20:51 <rwhitby> cryptk: "make CARRIER=foo memboot backup"
Aug 13 00:22:42 <Mousey> oh nm, 31 package updates
Aug 13 00:22:46 * Mousey pushes update all
Aug 13 00:27:33 <thomascoe1> Is it possible to boot a Pre with verbose boot, so you can see what is happening as it happens while the Pre is booting? Like how you can enable verbose mode on an iPhone or iPod touch when you jailbreak it. I know you can SSH into the Pre to see what it'
Aug 13 00:27:33 <thomascoe1> s doing while it's booting, but is there a way to view this directly on the Pre's screen while it's booting?
Aug 13 00:28:03 <ShadeS> it would sure b e nice to be able to ssh FROM the pre...
Aug 13 00:28:10 <cryptk> thomascoe1: I have been looking into that off and on but so far no luch
Aug 13 00:28:10 <Mousey> you can't?
Aug 13 00:28:13 <cryptk> ShadeS: you can
Aug 13 00:28:17 <cryptk> I have done it
Aug 13 00:28:20 <Mousey> i do it routinely
Aug 13 00:28:22 <ShadeS> I have to unlock it first though right?
Aug 13 00:28:27 <ShadeS> with the up up down down business?
Aug 13 00:28:28 <cryptk> indeed, I do it oftin
Aug 13 00:28:37 <ShadeS> there isn't just an ssh application in the prestore available
Aug 13 00:28:42 <ShadeS> i looked a few times, butnot recently
Aug 13 00:28:51 <cryptk> no, isn't one in the store, homebrew only
Aug 13 00:29:00 <ShadeS> for a while ther ewasn't anythin gin the pre store then I had to agree to some new ToS after some upgrade and lots of stuff is listed now
Aug 13 00:29:03 <cryptk> btw, a shorter version of the dev mode code is webos20090606
Aug 13 00:29:23 <ShadeS> i need to back up my logs and stuff before i start potentially bricking it
Aug 13 00:29:23 <cryptk> if you don't have preware you are missing out on a bunch
Aug 13 00:29:35 <ShadeS> yeah I got it with the intentions of unlocking it on release day
Aug 13 00:29:40 <cryptk> you can't brick a pre/pixi
Aug 13 00:29:41 <ShadeS> but oh well I guess i got busy with other things
Aug 13 00:29:50 <cryptk> well, not unless you are trying to
Aug 13 00:30:03 * Mousey isn't trying to
Aug 13 00:30:05 <cryptk> there are some things you can do to brick it, but you have to go into the phone and intentionally do them
Aug 13 00:30:16 <SineOt> yeah it's pretty hard to manage that, I've had my Pixi get unplugged in the middle of doctoring it and it's was fine, just had to boot holding volume up
Aug 13 00:30:17 <cryptk> you can even wipe out the bootloader (I have done it)
Aug 13 00:30:25 <cryptk> yep
Aug 13 00:30:36 <cryptk> I have even wiped it to where that doesn't work and still brought it back
Aug 13 00:30:42 <Mousey> i find gravity is the best app for bricking a pre
Aug 13 00:30:55 <cryptk> I find a brick works better
Aug 13 00:30:58 <ShadeS> i dropped my pre a good few times
Aug 13 00:31:03 <ShadeS> parts of the plstic chipped off
Aug 13 00:31:06 <ShadeS> but it still 'works'
Aug 13 00:31:07 <thomascoe1> You could also brick it running an old overclocking kernel that would let it run too hot and burn out the procesor. Well really, you could do that any time if the Pre was somewhere really hot
Aug 13 00:31:10 <ShadeS> but barely i need to replace it
Aug 13 00:31:10 <cryptk> but the combination of the two... now that is just about guaranteed
Aug 13 00:31:20 <Mousey> they'd really benefit from some gorilla glass
Aug 13 00:31:33 <ShadeS> is that like gorilla glue?
Aug 13 00:31:37 <cryptk> I fixed my 360 once by overheating it intentionally
Aug 13 00:31:48 <cryptk> wrapped it up in a blanket and let it run to fix the RROD
Aug 13 00:31:55 <Mousey> weird
Aug 13 00:32:23 <cryptk> common cause of RROD is solder cracks from overheating... the solution... overheat it more so the solder re-melts and the cracks go away
Aug 13 00:32:26 <Mousey> why does microsoft always seem to have a ${color} ${noun} of death?
Aug 13 00:32:34 <cryptk> lol
Aug 13 00:32:48 <ShadeS> rrod?
Aug 13 00:32:50 <cryptk> it RROD'd again 2 months later though so I sent it in to get it replaced... this one is going strong
Aug 13 00:32:55 <cryptk> red ring of death
Aug 13 00:33:05 <ShadeS> oh
Aug 13 00:34:52 <Mousey> how do i update/remove multi-mod?!
Aug 13 00:36:08 <cryptk> rwhitby: thanks man, got it working!
Aug 13 00:36:29 <cryptk> now THIS is save/restore, lol
Aug 13 00:36:37 <rwhitby> cryptk: well, it's save ...
Aug 13 00:36:44 <cryptk> true...
Aug 13 00:36:51 <rwhitby> the restore bit isn't working yet.
Aug 13 00:36:55 <cryptk> ahh
Aug 13 00:37:05 <cryptk> maybe I will take a look at it
Aug 13 00:37:06 <rwhitby> the idea is that you then use those tarballs to create a custom doctor containing the info
Aug 13 00:37:18 <rwhitby> the code to do it is there, but there's some bug
Aug 13 00:37:25 <cryptk> seems you could also do it the same way you pull the data
Aug 13 00:37:41 <rwhitby> yeah, could do that too
Aug 13 00:37:42 <cryptk> skip creating the doctor... just push it back right from the clone
Aug 13 00:37:54 <cryptk> something like make memboot restore cloneID
Aug 13 00:38:03 <cryptk> and optionally have cloneID defined in the makefile
Aug 13 00:38:14 <rwhitby> make CLONE=...
Aug 13 00:38:31 <cryptk> maybe even be able to make CLONE=latest
Aug 13 00:38:44 <cryptk> in case you have more than one clone
Aug 13 00:39:43 * cryptk is still surprised how resilient my bootie mods are...
Aug 13 00:40:30 <cryptk> btw, the bootie mods could be made into an installable ipk... but I haven't done it yet because I feel it is too dangerous
Aug 13 00:40:37 <cryptk> lol
Aug 13 00:41:33 <PuffTheMagic> new American Chopper tonight :D
Aug 13 00:44:40 <PuffTheMagic> cryptk: bootie mod?
Aug 13 00:44:52 <cryptk> custom bootie logos
Aug 13 00:44:57 <cryptk> like the static palm logo
Aug 13 00:45:11 <cryptk> mine has Webos Internals under it now
Aug 13 00:45:37 <chrisA> I preferred when we had it be the droid animation
Aug 13 00:47:19 <oil> ah, the capital a now?
Aug 13 00:48:57 <dtzWill> good move, i was also surprised to learn your gender.
Aug 13 00:49:19 <cryptk> I think I was one of the rare few that did...
Aug 13 00:49:27 <cryptk> hence me bringing up the casing recommendation, lol
Aug 13 00:49:33 * oil always knew he was a dude
Aug 13 00:50:03 <dtzWill> well his whois makes it clear, is how i knew
Aug 13 00:51:00 <cryptk> laughs as everyone does a /whois chrisA
Aug 13 00:51:09 * oil did, haha
Aug 13 00:52:44 <cryptk> the EIC of Wired Mag is Chris Anderson...
Aug 13 01:36:43 <coveredwagonkid> question: where would be the best place to have some Navit questions answered?
Aug 13 01:37:36 <cryptk> possibly here if it is something pre specific
Aug 13 01:37:47 <cryptk> or #navit if it is something dealing with navit in general
Aug 13 01:37:56 <cryptk> what is the question?
Aug 13 01:39:08 <coveredwagonkid> I'm having trouble getting to map layer to display, but I will admit I haven't looked in the forums yet...
Aug 13 01:39:38 <coveredwagonkid> this gave me the excuse to use wirc after the 1.4.5 update
Aug 13 01:40:55 <ralph_> anybody seen a doctor fail @ 4% repeatedly with different computers & cables?
Aug 13 01:41:40 <oil> always a good reason to get on wirc :)
Aug 13 01:42:38 <halfhalo_pre> there's never a reason for wirc
Aug 13 01:42:39 <coveredwagonkid> @oil I accidentally installed the wirc update when it went hybrid and it broke for me...
Aug 13 01:42:47 <oil> oh
Aug 13 01:43:09 <coveredwagonkid> so now I can use it again :)
Aug 13 01:43:25 <cryptk> coveredwagonkid: you coulda fixed it by removing wirc, turning off testing feeds and then reinstalling
Aug 13 01:43:37 <coveredwagonkid> true
Aug 13 01:43:39 <cryptk> new wirc was testing only until the OTA hit the US
Aug 13 01:44:11 <cryptk> ralph_: have you tried it in recovery mode?
Aug 13 01:44:17 <cryptk> the vol up power on trick
Aug 13 01:44:19 <ralph_> yeah
Aug 13 01:44:24 <ralph_> only way i have
Aug 13 01:45:16 <cryptk> hrm...
Aug 13 01:45:32 <cryptk> 4% is when the phone should be rebooting after the ramdisk is transferred
Aug 13 01:45:49 <cryptk> coveredwagonkid: do you have the map file in the right place?
Aug 13 01:46:00 <ralph_> i did  a full erase too, but some of my patches are still there
Aug 13 01:46:29 <cryptk> ralph_: the full erase doesn't remove the patches, it only removes the installers I think
Aug 13 01:46:41 <coveredwagonkid> cryptpk: originally no, but I moved it to the appdata folder
Aug 13 01:46:42 <cryptk> I am assuming you have let it sit for a bit at 4%
Aug 13 01:47:20 <cryptk> did you check for the fstab bug?
Aug 13 01:47:24 <ralph_> @ 4 % the palm logo appears on the pre, and the computer makes the noise of removable device being removed
Aug 13 01:47:48 <ralph_> nope, whats that?
Aug 13 01:47:52 <cryptk> coveredwagonkid: run this command 'cat /etc/fstab|grep internal' and let me know the output
Aug 13 01:48:01 <cryptk> sorry fstab bug was to coveredwagonkid
Aug 13 01:48:10 <ralph_> oh
Aug 13 01:48:10 <coveredwagonkid> wouldn't the fstab patch fix that?
Aug 13 01:48:17 <cryptk> the EFF yes
Aug 13 01:48:40 <coveredwagonkid> I believe I already installed the EFF
Aug 13 01:48:48 <cryptk> may as well check
Aug 13 01:48:57 <cryptk> also, the maps are in appdata/org.webosinternals.navit/maps/ right?
Aug 13 01:52:03 <cryptk> ralph_: have you tried re-downloading the doc?
Aug 13 01:52:07 <coveredwagonkid> umask is 000000
Aug 13 01:52:20 <ralph_> yeah, each time on 3 different computers
Aug 13 01:52:20 <coveredwagonkid> and yes that is where I put the map
Aug 13 01:53:03 <ralph_> all running xp, my next thought was try it using wosqi
Aug 13 01:53:32 <cryptk> wosqi doesn't doctor
Aug 13 01:53:51 <cryptk> not that I know of at least
Aug 13 01:54:42 <cryptk> how long have you let it sit at 4% for?
Aug 13 01:55:01 <ralph_> yeah but since some of my patches still seem to be on there even after the full erase, i want to look too see if i can remove everything on there
Aug 13 01:55:30 <cryptk> try EPI and the EPR
Aug 13 01:55:39 <cryptk> update preware feeds before doing EPI
Aug 13 01:56:05 <ralph_> after the palm logo hits the pre @ 4 i figured it was canceled, the doctor also says that it lost connection
Aug 13 01:56:35 <cryptk> try reinstalling novacom
Aug 13 01:56:39 <cryptk> you can do that in WOSQI
Aug 13 01:56:44 <cryptk> I think it is under tools somewhere
Aug 13 01:56:50 <cryptk> attempt novacom reinstallation
Aug 13 01:57:47 <cryptk> then retry the install
Aug 13 01:58:04 <cryptk> also are you doing this plugged directly into the comp or plugged into a hub/keyboard/monitor
Aug 13 01:58:45 <cryptk> coveredwagonkid: did you reboot after running EFF?
Aug 13 01:59:15 <coveredwagonkid> cry:i thought I did but I will run it again
Aug 13 02:00:05 <cryptk> if that command returns '/dev/mapper/store-media /media/internal vfat utf8,shortname=mixed,umask=0000 0 0 ' with the umask part then it is already run, but may not be in affect
Aug 13 02:00:13 <rwhitby> 4% means that the host computer is not picking up the USB driver after the reboot of the device
Aug 13 02:00:15 <cryptk> a reboot (full, not luna only) will fix that
Aug 13 02:00:44 <cryptk> would a novacom reinstall possibly fix that?
Aug 13 02:01:00 <coveredwagonkid> cryptk: trying now... I will return
Aug 13 02:01:49 <ralph_> i get an error report console on the systeminfo task when i attempt novocom reinstallation
Aug 13 02:02:24 <ralph_> rwhitby: can i manually install the usb driver?
Aug 13 02:03:30 <coveredwagonkid> cryptk: installed and luna reboot in process
Aug 13 02:03:54 <cryptk> luna reboot or full device reboot?
Aug 13 02:04:11 <cryptk> it needs a full device reboot
Aug 13 02:04:15 <coveredwagonkid> whatever the EFF automatically prompts for
Aug 13 02:04:28 <cryptk> did it go to a static palm logo?
Aug 13 02:04:29 <coveredwagonkid> my guess based on how lonw its taking is full restart
Aug 13 02:04:40 <coveredwagonkid> yes
Aug 13 02:04:49 <cryptk> ok, full restart
Aug 13 02:05:06 <cryptk> also, what is the filename of the map you downloaded?
Aug 13 02:05:46 <rwhitby> ralph_: what host OS are you running?
Aug 13 02:05:52 <ralph_> xp
Aug 13 02:06:06 <coveredwagonkid> cryptk i created my own because the US one listed on the Navit page isnt reporting its file size and is now over 1.4 GB and still going
Aug 13 02:06:45 <cryptk> did you create it with the extractor thing linked from the wiki entry?
Aug 13 02:06:59 <coveredwagonkid> yes
Aug 13 02:07:15 <coveredwagonkid> i only picked my region so it was smaller
Aug 13 02:07:29 <cryptk> hrm...
Aug 13 02:07:58 <coveredwagonkid> cryptk: output from CLI root@palm-webos-device: cat /etc/fstab|grep internal
Aug 13 02:09:06 <coveredwagonkid> root@palm-webos-device: cat /etc/fstab|grep internal /dev/mapper/store-media /media/internal vfat utf8,shortname=mixed,umask=0000 0
Aug 13 02:09:36 <coveredwagonkid> that was after directly running EFF and doing a full restart
Aug 13 02:10:26 <cryptk> cool
Aug 13 02:10:29 <cryptk> try navit
Aug 13 02:10:34 <cryptk> lemme know what happens
Aug 13 02:10:50 <cryptk> btw, I don't know much about navit so I am just running through the general steps...
Aug 13 02:10:59 <cryptk> making sure you didn't miss anything from the wiki etc
Aug 13 02:11:11 <cryptk> the filename ends in .bin right?
Aug 13 02:11:32 <coveredwagonkid> cryptk: yup and thanks for your help regardless
Aug 13 02:11:47 <cryptk> np
Aug 13 02:12:09 <coveredwagonkid> loaded navit, still does not show map layer
Aug 13 02:12:27 <coveredwagonkid> but is reporting the proper GPS Lat/Long
Aug 13 02:13:14 <cryptk> so it knows where you are... I am assuming that you know where you live and as such selected the correct area on the extractor, lol
Aug 13 02:13:36 <coveredwagonkid> i would certainly hope so, lol
Aug 13 02:13:55 <coveredwagonkid> does anyone know how large the USA map is that is linked on the Navit wiki page?
Aug 13 02:14:02 <ralph_> so the novocom reinstall still crashes
Aug 13 02:14:31 <cryptk> does the novacom reinstall crash or does the doctor crash?
Aug 13 02:14:40 <cryptk> and by crash we mean disconnects right?
Aug 13 02:15:01 <ralph_> no, this is just trying to reinstall novocom
Aug 13 02:15:03 <rwhitby> ralph_: sorry mate, no idea about novacom on windows.
Aug 13 02:15:14 <cryptk> hrm...
Aug 13 02:15:17 <rwhitby> ralph_: have you installed the Palm SDK ?
Aug 13 02:15:22 <ralph_> yeah my next idea was to try linux
Aug 13 02:15:31 <cryptk> he is attempting the reinstall with WOSQI
Aug 13 02:15:55 <rwhitby> bah, forget WOSQI.  Just install the official Palm SDK and use that to install Preware.
Aug 13 02:16:10 <cryptk> he is trying to doctor
Aug 13 02:16:15 <cryptk> can't get past 4%
Aug 13 02:16:16 <coveredwagonkid> rwhitby: do you think it was just an error that the new webos dr only lists mac and windows?
Aug 13 02:16:47 <rwhitby> coveredwagonkid: no idea
Aug 13 02:17:11 <rwhitby> cryptk: right.  use an official tool to get novacom working, not a third-party tool
Aug 13 02:17:26 <cryptk> good point
Aug 13 02:17:37 <cryptk> ralph_: go with the palm SDK
Aug 13 02:17:56 <tomlee> ping
Aug 13 02:17:59 <cryptk> also try removing the novacom that is already installed first via add/remove programs
Aug 13 02:18:04 <cryptk> pong
Aug 13 02:18:12 <ralph_> cool
Aug 13 02:18:15 <ralph_> will do
Aug 13 02:18:18 <coveredwagonkid> cryptk: i think my next course of action will be to download the entire globe map and see how that works...
Aug 13 02:18:36 <cryptk> that one will def load slow, lol
Aug 13 02:18:50 <tomlee> hrmm, my pre backup utility seems to be taking a long time...
Aug 13 02:19:44 <tomlee> does it ever finish?
Aug 13 02:20:03 <coveredwagonkid> cryptk: well considering that the USA only map is still downloading at 1.4 GB and counting, that is about 50% of the advertised size of the entire planet :)
Aug 13 02:23:19 <coveredwagonkid> cryptk: also, looking at the navit.log file, it is reporting an error loading the *.bin file i loaded
Aug 13 02:24:29 <cryptk> what is the error?
Aug 13 02:26:41 <cryptk> can you pastebin a chunk of the log including that error
Aug 13 02:28:48 <coveredwagonkid> cryptk: map_binfile:map_binfile_open:invalid file format for "media/internal/appdata/org.webosinternals.navit//maps/osm_bbox_-125.4,24.3,-66.5,49.3.bin'
Aug 13 02:29:18 <cryptk> try re-downloading the file...
Aug 13 02:30:19 <coveredwagonkid> cryptk: can do
Aug 13 02:31:56 <Cinna> im at my wit's end here with this webosquickinstall error device not found issue... i've restarted my computer and phone several times, reinstalled novacom several times, tried it on an win xp and win 7 computer, dev mode is on
Aug 13 02:32:02 <Cinna> HELP PLEASE IM GOING CRAZY!
Aug 13 02:32:28 <Cinna> also tried not doing anything when connecting the phone and selecting just charge
Aug 13 02:33:24 <Cinna> any ideas?
Aug 13 02:33:54 <coveredwagonkid> cryptk: just went to the exytractor and reselected a smaller section of the map for my area, hopefully this will do the trick
Aug 13 02:34:44 <cryptk> Cinna: does novaterm work?
Aug 13 02:35:08 <cryptk> also, this technically isn't the place for WOSQI help (we don't make it, lol)
Aug 13 02:35:17 <Cinna> havent seen that suggestion yet
Aug 13 02:35:20 <cryptk> but first step would be to see if you can novaterm in
Aug 13 02:35:21 <Cinna> what do i do
Aug 13 02:35:48 <cryptk> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accessing_Linux_Using_Novaterm
Aug 13 02:35:50 <Cinna> ah yeah sorry about that, its the only chat i could find that was related in some small way
Aug 13 02:36:47 <cryptk> the main part you want to do is on windows, run novaterm.exe or novaterm-1.exe from the palm/sdk/bin directory. (use explorer or a command line) (if this doesn't work, run novacom -t open tty:// )
Aug 13 02:37:06 <cryptk> the palm/sdk/bin directory they are talking about is in C:\Program Files\
Aug 13 02:37:27 <cryptk> or if you are on a 64 bit machine C:\Program Files (x86)\
Aug 13 02:37:28 <Cinna> k
Aug 13 02:37:46 <Cinna> am i just checking if novaterm can get root access?
Aug 13 02:40:14 <cryptk> yes
Aug 13 02:40:46 <Cinna> k, im following the instructions to get access and downloading the files... its a good thing im on a fast connection
Aug 13 02:41:00 <cryptk> which files are you downloading? the palm SDK?
Aug 13 02:41:14 <Cinna> updating java, palm sdk 1.4.5
Aug 13 02:41:31 <Cinna> im sure i have the newest java but i did it again just to be safe
Aug 13 02:41:38 <cryptk> ahh
Aug 13 02:43:06 <Cinna> palm has a speedy server for their sdk i see
Aug 13 02:50:11 <rwhitby> They use akamai
Aug 13 02:53:22 <coveredwagonkid> cryptk: i think i may have found out what my problem was with navit...
Aug 13 02:53:34 <cryptk> what's that?
Aug 13 02:53:44 <coveredwagonkid> cryptk: lets just say there was an issue between the seat and keyboard
Aug 13 02:53:58 <cryptk> was it something not covered by the wiki?
Aug 13 02:54:55 <coveredwagonkid> cryptk: i ended up putting the partially downloaded file on the device, not the complete one i should have
Aug 13 02:55:03 <cryptk> ahh, lol
Aug 13 02:55:10 <coveredwagonkid> <facepalm>
Aug 13 02:55:11 <cryptk> ok, just wanted to see if wiki needed updating
Aug 13 02:55:13 <rwhitby> pebkac
Aug 13 02:55:18 <cryptk> damn
Aug 13 02:55:22 <cryptk> meat me to it rwhitby
Aug 13 02:55:32 <cryptk> Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
Aug 13 02:56:00 <coveredwagonkid> yup, thats why i said it :)
Aug 13 02:56:34 <coveredwagonkid> the wiki was very helpful on how to set it up, very straightforward
Aug 13 02:56:43 <coveredwagonkid> just a stupid error on my part
Aug 13 02:57:08 <Tibfib> dtzWill: ping
Aug 13 02:58:56 <cryptk> no biggie, we all have those moments
Aug 13 02:59:36 <coveredwagonkid> cryptk: thanks again for your help on this.  i think its time for bed, before i have more pebkac moments tonight!
Aug 13 02:59:40 <coveredwagonkid> goodnight all!
Aug 13 02:59:54 <cryptk> later
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