**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 14 02:59:57 2010 Aug 14 04:00:54 hello Aug 14 04:01:38 hi Aug 14 04:01:41 why wont it let me do any system mods? it says that i dont have some patch n i cant find anything?? Aug 14 04:02:49 any idea? Aug 14 04:04:23 Based on that informationā€¦ no Aug 14 04:05:30 ok. on the webos quick install i go to tools and do tweaks. when i click it it says "cannot connect to package feed" Aug 14 04:07:17 No idea, I have never used QI for more than installing preware Aug 14 04:07:54 well the other thing is that it says that it is installing but when i look at my phone its not on there. Aug 14 04:08:08 did you restart luna? Aug 14 04:08:12 yes Aug 14 04:08:31 ill try again now Aug 14 04:09:36 again...nothing Aug 14 04:11:28 im stuck. its always worked till my phone did an update Aug 14 04:12:12 dunno. ask Jason. It's closed source, so we can't help you. Aug 14 04:12:40 ask who? lol Aug 14 04:12:43 how Aug 14 04:12:50 the author of WebOS Quick Install Aug 14 04:12:53 o Aug 14 04:12:55 lol Aug 14 04:13:01 he's not associated with WebOS Internals Aug 14 04:13:31 and it's closed source, so we can't look inside it to see what your problem is Aug 14 04:13:31 well i just need some1 idc who haha Aug 14 04:13:45 ok Aug 14 04:13:52 thanks tho! Aug 14 04:13:56 Ask in the Canuck Software forum on PreCentral Aug 14 04:15:19 ok Aug 14 04:25:53 RUN Aug 14 05:22:55 warthog-100 and my phone are not friends :( Aug 14 05:23:40 anyone have the link for how to restore the kernel? Aug 14 05:24:12 hit it with a hammer Aug 14 05:24:37 wtf Aug 14 05:24:38 or run the repair utility Aug 14 05:24:47 finder can't be opened Aug 14 05:25:47 can't boot successfully. Not sure if there is anything i can do aside from a trip to the doctor Aug 14 05:26:46 nope. if you boot a kernel with non-stock defaults, you take that risk Aug 14 05:28:10 yeah I figured Aug 14 05:32:05 I am wanting to contribute some coding to one or more webos-internals projects such as save/restore and if I understand correctly you guys use git, I have windows 7 based PCs and use eclipse for most of my coding unless eclipse doesn't have what I need for certain things. What do I need to get to be able to contribute code? Aug 14 05:39:35 StoneRyno: talk to rwhitby Aug 14 05:39:39 eclipse can do git Aug 14 05:39:50 or you can use git outside of eclipse like oil_pre does Aug 14 05:40:03 watch the windows gitcast Aug 14 05:40:08 but he needs to send in a key Aug 14 05:40:15 http://www.gitcasts.com/posts/git-on-windows Aug 14 05:40:44 keys are for people who can code Aug 14 05:41:00 StoneRyno: audemars02 can help with setting that up for windows too Aug 14 05:41:09 cool beans Aug 14 05:41:25 * halfhalo doesn't have a key Aug 14 05:42:01 I'll watch that vid and try git for eclipse or the one in the vid whichever i find easier to use Aug 14 05:42:30 well, thats not true. I just don't know what key goes to what Aug 14 05:42:35 I have an associates in applied science for computer programming :) Aug 14 05:42:50 StoneRyno: ignore halfhalo :) Aug 14 05:43:06 Yup, ignore me. Generally good advice Aug 14 05:43:47 I've learned a number of languages including CSS, JS, java, C++, HTML Aug 14 05:44:44 Lets seeā€¦ I knowish php, rails, js, html, cssish, and enough java to get me A's in my compsci classes Aug 14 05:45:17 I've been looking at the code for save restore and wanted to add sorting for the installed package list which is a single line to add with the other sort calls Aug 14 05:45:47 I'm still poking around the code Aug 14 05:46:34 I attached a number of scripts to the thread not thinking i could go the more direct route Aug 14 05:47:14 I plan to get the remaining up to 50 apps on my pre scripted Aug 14 05:47:51 and look into a few other things brought to my attention that have no current backup method Aug 14 05:49:22 excellent Aug 14 05:50:04 you need to havea mr burns gif to go with that "excellent" Aug 14 05:51:10 StoneRyno: hi! haven't seen you in here, but recognize your nick from the VBA thread. thanks for helping to save/restore VBA, appreciate it :). Aug 14 05:51:42 StoneRyno is also the chief battery characterisation guru Aug 14 05:51:44 speaking of VBA: any hopes of a pixi release? ;p Aug 14 05:52:17 oh, great. :) Aug 14 05:52:18 * halfhalo is the chief troublemaker Aug 14 05:52:19 oh that's one thing i need to solve the script has to save a whole directory i posted the attempt and the error in the thead but no reply yet on what i did wrong Aug 14 05:52:47 SineOt: does pixi support opengl yet? Aug 14 05:52:54 yup i updated battery monitor to it's current version Aug 14 05:53:01 it should, under 1.4.5 Aug 14 05:53:19 plus i've done alot of battery analysis over the past year+ Aug 14 05:53:34 well then i should just have to recompile it for the pixi, although not owning one of having enough people bug me about it I've had no experience with coding for the pixi. Aug 14 05:53:50 i can give it a go for sure :) Aug 14 05:54:09 well, I'll help :p Aug 14 05:54:26 won't be able to optimize it as much without having a device to test with, but i bet optimizations for the pre will carry over decently well enough. Aug 14 05:57:03 except for those that don't Aug 14 05:57:12 0_o Aug 14 05:58:18 halfhalo: thanks for that insight :) Aug 14 05:58:38 Thats what they pay me for Aug 14 05:58:48 we pay you? Aug 14 05:58:51 * dtzWill goes and talks to accounting Aug 14 05:58:58 ;) Aug 14 05:58:58 yup Aug 14 06:00:08 i can't believe i forgot to bring my USB drive with me which has all my eclipse stuff and workspaces for C++ and VB Aug 14 06:00:38 i wanted to work on some coding while out of town Aug 14 06:01:05 i wrote up those save/restore scripts using internalz on my pre Aug 14 06:10:33 i just remembered the other change i was going to submit was for govnah to change the profile list for reorderable, currently it is set to false so it just needs that changed to true :) Aug 14 06:11:34 StoneRyno: I don't think it will be as easy as that. You also need to write the code which changes the cookies when they are reordered Aug 14 06:11:45 and we're going to reverse the order of processing of the profiles too Aug 14 06:12:18 oh Aug 14 06:18:45 * rwhitby bbl Aug 14 06:20:25 dtzWill: I can say right now that without the overclocking kernels, GBA might be a bust on the Pixi Aug 14 06:20:31 but I don't see why GB/GBC wouldn't work Aug 14 06:22:35 I think GB/GBC would actually be a better all around experience on the pixi, since the form factor more closely matches the originals Aug 14 06:24:12 o_O wow i might be a nub, but does pixi have a different resolution? Aug 14 06:24:48 yeah, 320x400 Aug 14 06:25:02 it's 80 shorter vertically Aug 14 06:25:22 interesting. then i'd need to change a few things for that, but no big deal. Aug 14 06:51:02 oh the irony. my htc evo broke today. Aug 14 07:05:08 I tried the wireless hotspot tonight and couldn't get an internet connection. I could connect to the phone but no dns resolution Aug 14 09:14:37 is there any downside to changing the pre's hostname? Aug 14 11:55:11 dr_jkl: you don't like castle? Aug 14 11:55:37 dtzWill: you working on X? Aug 14 13:01:48 hi Aug 14 16:01:59 greetings, anyone actually here? Aug 14 16:03:54 I am Aug 14 16:04:14 but I am too late Aug 14 16:04:15 lol Aug 14 16:52:37 :/ stupid phones. Aug 14 17:24:03 is there a log for preware that i can check to see which feeds its pulling from? i am on 1.4.5 and I keep getting the incompatioble version loading the testing kernels Aug 14 17:31:46 MikePre, which carrier? Aug 14 17:37:18 sprint/pre...i figured it out, i have the 1.4.1 loading for kernels, just added 1.4.5 and back up and seeing the 1.4.5 kernels Aug 14 17:41:10 MikePre, kewlies...enjoy Aug 14 17:58:59 hello Aug 14 18:33:22 this is odd Aug 14 18:34:49 can someone running warthog-100 tell me if their phone stops vibrating when calls come in? Aug 14 18:34:54 anyone having trouble with generating a ssh key on 1.4.5? Aug 14 18:35:46 nevermind. My short bus just arrived. I figured it out... Aug 14 18:53:48 well this is strange Aug 14 18:53:50 i hate sprint :/ Aug 14 18:54:03 adjusted voltage to no avail Aug 14 21:14:35 ~seen RossPaterson Aug 14 21:14:38 zsoc: i haven't seen 'rosspaterson' Aug 14 21:14:45 infobot: ty Aug 14 21:14:45 somebody said ty was thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player Aug 14 21:15:15 infobot: somebody is not very smart Aug 14 21:15:16 ...but somebody is already something else... Aug 14 21:15:29 infobot: somebody Aug 14 21:15:30 i heard somebody is a person who has a body and is a huge liar, just ask rayford, Malgayne, or TecnoBrat. Aug 14 21:15:42 sounds right Aug 14 21:39:13 so... Aug 14 21:39:36 it seems that updating to 145 may frob some phones where they stop vibrating on incoming calls Aug 14 21:39:48 this affects at least UK and warthog Aug 14 21:40:04 i've verified a fix for a pixi that had UK installed on it Aug 14 21:40:18 uninstall UK, revert to stock kernel and reinstall UK Aug 14 21:40:26 seems to have sufficient reset things Aug 14 21:41:08 how do i remove a patch without going through webosdoc or using preware? Aug 14 21:42:45 ??? Aug 14 21:46:45 ??? Aug 14 21:53:04 so uh Aug 14 21:53:56 does the uberkernel kernel experience lockups when running with the ondemand scheduler? Aug 14 21:54:10 shouldnt Aug 14 21:55:18 because the palm one does Aug 14 21:57:20 ondemand is a bad idea on pre Aug 14 21:58:26 * oil has heard that from many people Aug 14 22:01:28 use conservative or screenstate Aug 14 22:01:31 so which is best then? it appears the stock kernel has support for a few Aug 14 22:01:48 really? hm. conservative _should_ do what i want Aug 14 22:02:08 * dr_jkl peeks at the patch list for the palm kernel Aug 14 22:03:32 nope, no conservative governor. easily fixed with UK. :) Aug 14 22:04:20 I believe we build in userspace, ondemand, performance and ondemandtcl (pixie) Aug 14 22:04:58 pre ships using performance, pixie ondemandtcl Aug 14 22:05:31 so no conservative. damn. :/ Aug 14 22:05:47 You could easily build it in, but conservative is not the kind of governor you want for this sort of device Aug 14 22:06:05 so then what would you use? Aug 14 22:06:06 The only reason pixie uses ondemand well is the tickle modifications Aug 14 22:07:28 i was running the pre with ondemand earlier, and if you don't mind the once-in-a-while lockup, it seemed like my battery life was much improved Aug 14 22:08:01 oh hey, it's chrisA! Aug 14 22:08:13 it is Aug 14 22:08:20 so i'm trying to determine the best way to replicate this so that i sit at maybe 250mhz instead of 500 when idel Aug 14 22:08:25 idle* Aug 14 22:08:33 glad you changed the a to A .. though i was disappointed when the truth came out :( Aug 14 22:08:35 l is for lysdexia Aug 14 22:08:54 dr_jkl: try userspace and set it to a lower clock manually? Aug 14 22:09:54 what with? Aug 14 22:10:10 userspace just allows you to use sysfs nodes to set it Aug 14 22:10:34 echo some values into /sys or whatnot ? Aug 14 22:10:55 look around in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ Aug 14 22:12:29 i will look at this when i get back. gotta go to the store. :) thank you! Aug 14 22:12:41 chrisA: hows life treating you lately ? Aug 14 22:12:45 * dr_jkl gathers up her crackberry and pre Aug 14 22:12:47 ta Aug 14 22:14:06 busy, but interesting Aug 14 22:14:24 oh yeah? what type of interesting ? Aug 14 22:15:11 mmmm can't really say Aug 14 22:15:16 ah, ok Aug 14 22:15:50 you can just talk about _redacted_ if you want Aug 14 22:16:38 It's not necessarily work related Aug 14 22:16:41 There is more to life Aug 14 22:17:19 i realize .. but sometimes it's good to vent about _redacted_ .. if it's related to _redacted_ or _redacted_ .. or even _redacted_ .. Aug 14 22:17:30 just good to vent sometimes Aug 14 22:18:53 the humidity has been too ridiculous this summer Aug 14 22:19:28 * dr_jkl waits for her girlfriend to find her glasses Aug 14 22:19:33 chrisA: if i continue to use userspace, there's nothing that says i MUST use uberkenel, is there? Aug 14 22:22:50 dr_jkl: nope, you can use govnah with stock kernel to control userspace. note that you'll be fighting with LunaSysMgr though Aug 14 22:22:50 hi Aug 14 22:23:38 how do I install the preware Aug 14 22:24:01 http://install.preware.org/ Aug 14 22:24:13 now i wonder if there's a way to alter lunasysmgr. :) Aug 14 22:24:15 where did you learn about Preware which didn't have that link? Aug 14 22:24:26 dr_jkl: sure, just binary patch it Aug 14 22:24:52 or just run uberkernel with performance governor set to what you want and bypass lunasysmgr altogether Aug 14 22:25:01 hmm. Aug 14 22:25:35 uberkernel doesn't overclock anything by default, so i think i will try uberkernel out. i don't seek to overclock things, just have the cpu on a somewhat tighter leash Aug 14 22:26:31 I don't need to do the webos quick install if I have the latest version right? Aug 14 22:26:35 i can't hurt anything unless i manage to turn the pre into a single-slice toaster, which can't just happen by default ;) Aug 14 22:26:44 thank you rwhitby, chrisA :) Aug 14 22:28:19 jmn: you never need webos quick install. you can install preware with the Palm SDK and palm-install Aug 14 22:29:34 do I have to reset my phone for it? Aug 14 22:30:38 * rwhitby points again to http://install.preware.org/ Aug 14 22:31:25 * rwhitby bbl Aug 14 22:39:01 hello Aug 14 22:43:01 I just installed preware and can view my installed packages but the avaliable packages is greyed out Aug 14 22:43:12 what is the problem? Aug 14 22:43:17 darn Aug 14 22:46:38 I have reinstalled preware but still have the same problem Aug 14 22:51:03 screw it I have been having so many problems Aug 14 22:51:12 * bgp pulls out the doctor Aug 14 22:54:08 * bgp is going to buy an evo Aug 14 22:56:43 hello anyone home ;) Aug 14 22:59:04 i was wondering if anyone has found a solution for asking the command line with a broken touchscreen. Unfortunately, dev mode is currently off. Aug 14 22:59:20 accessing* Aug 14 23:06:51 Is there a way to enable developer mode via novacom? Aug 14 23:19:57 so I broke my terminal Aug 14 23:20:27 tried to make bash the login shell for root Aug 14 23:23:07 is ": No such file or directory" a symptom of changing /etc/paswd before /etc/shells Aug 14 23:23:09 ? Aug 14 23:24:42 or did I screw up elsewhere? Aug 14 23:25:04 why? Aug 14 23:25:15 idk Aug 14 23:25:20 it's broke Aug 14 23:25:41 tried to change back to sh. still broke Aug 14 23:26:24 can the internalz text editor be trusted? Aug 14 23:29:29 seriously can't figure out what's wrong Aug 14 23:30:21 all I get is ": No such file or directory" if I start any terminal Aug 14 23:31:54 no internalz support here. ask jaycanuck Aug 14 23:32:18 meh Aug 14 23:33:05 any other way to edit files in /etc/ besides terminal or internalz? Aug 14 23:34:47 novacom send a new /etc/passwd file over that undoes your stuff Aug 14 23:35:20 I mean without a separate computer Aug 14 23:35:29 ah bpaladino, someone I recognize. You know a way I can get terminal access since my touchscreen broke? Aug 14 23:35:54 is devmode enabled ? Aug 14 23:36:02 no, that is the problem Aug 14 23:36:09 and for some reason cant ssh either Aug 14 23:36:24 all I can get is USB mode or USB recovery mode Aug 14 23:36:49 i think developer mode just touches a file somewhere on th efs .. maybe bootie can touch the file to enable dev mode ? Aug 14 23:37:07 I was thinking that Aug 14 23:37:16 I was looking at this: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery Aug 14 23:38:01 if I boot the recovery image can I poke around in there without doing any permanent damage Aug 14 23:40:06 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2051 - there is a device activation bypass thing that puts your phone in dev mode too .. maybe that would be OK too Aug 14 23:40:08 but i dunno Aug 14 23:41:29 that looks like exactly what I need! thanks Aug 14 23:41:41 do you know anywhere there is an archive to SDK download links Aug 14 23:41:55 I figure I should get 1.4.1 to match my phone but I can only find the 1.4.5 dl link now Aug 14 23:41:56 i don't - sorry Aug 14 23:42:09 the wiki has all the webOSdoctor links and Im looking for something similar Aug 14 23:42:58 alright thanks Aug 14 23:43:02 good luck Aug 14 23:59:03 how do I add the beta webos internals feed Aug 15 00:03:25 the testing feeds? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Aug 15 00:08:20 bpadalino: it worked! my phone is booted in dev mode Aug 15 00:08:30 thank you, many people have been looking for this ability I believe Aug 15 00:08:42 success! Aug 15 00:09:14 now I can setup scp access to all the sql dbs and get all the data i want until my replacement arrives Aug 15 00:09:17 feel free to place your story of successes on the wiki Aug 15 00:09:18 much appreciated Aug 15 00:09:30 good luck Aug 15 00:09:33 ok will do Aug 15 00:12:14 one related question, is it possible to load your phones live data into the emulator? Aug 15 00:12:49 not that i am aware of Aug 15 00:15:58 odd, my pixi can send mail using smtp auth but using the same server thunderbird not screams bloody murder Aug 15 00:16:45 is there an uberkernal clocked at 1 ghz? Aug 15 00:22:29 i get exchange SSL errors when i try to use my pre to check work email on work wifi .. but it's all good outside the network .. kind of weird to me Aug 15 00:23:03 also the "Check email" button seems to like to report "OK/JK" a lot Aug 15 00:29:31 * bgp remembers back in the day when this channel was the "it" place and was hopping with so much activity Aug 15 00:29:37 the good ol days Aug 15 00:33:20 anyone know the command to toggle wifi off the top of their head? Aug 15 00:41:14 rwhitby - you around? Aug 15 00:56:19 finally found it for anyone interested: luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.wifi/setstate '{"state":"enabled"}' luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.wifi/findnetworks '{""}' Aug 15 01:02:16 can someone remind me what the cause is when my ssh connection gets closed immediately after entering my passwordf Aug 15 01:47:04 I'm irritable about this 1.4.5 fstab umask (?) patch and the emergency fstab fixer Aug 15 01:47:31 should a third party really be necessary (donated btw, good job) to make your paid for PDK apps work after an OTA update? Aug 15 01:47:39 pfft Aug 15 01:48:09 Palm fail. Aug 15 01:48:20 Still, the openness of the platform is a clear victory here Aug 15 01:50:05 emkman: it varies. sometimes your shell is set to /bin/false, sometimes you have exit in your bashrc, ... could be anything really. Check the logs, you could get lucky. Aug 15 01:53:41 jettero, the EFF is not "necessary". Palm is telling devs to not write to /media/internal to avoid the bug. Aug 15 01:54:23 It's a simple homebrew fix though that takes a lot longer coming from Palm going through the carrier submission/approval process etc... Aug 15 02:06:42 egaudet: ok, sure. But they still broke games that were in the catalog and they're aware of the "bug." It's still a pfft. An API that's a moving target isn't going to be very attractive in the long run. I understand it's new, but still Aug 15 02:07:18 I'm not freaking out over here or anything, I'm just mildly irritated by it Aug 15 02:07:34 OTA should match the doctor version. Aug 15 02:08:10 yeah it's an unfortunate bug that probably should have been caught earlier. Aug 15 02:08:54 indeed Aug 15 02:40:42 anyone else have the camera stop working after the 1.4.5 update? this is on the sprint pixi Aug 15 02:45:45 jettero: you still there? Aug 15 02:56:19 hello **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 15 02:59:57 2010