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Aug 22 03:10:28 <chickiechan> i have a question
Aug 22 03:11:37 <ShadeS> perhaps you should state the question instead of stating you have a question.
Aug 22 03:11:54 <ShadeS> ask the question rather
Aug 22 03:11:56 <chickiechan> getting there
Aug 22 03:12:32 <chickiechan> anyone know what to do if they cant find their patches? Even on preware i couldnt find my installed patches. This just happen earlier when i did a partial reset. Even with out preware my palm pre was running like it had preware intall on it already. Now i dont know how to find the hidden patches
Aug 22 03:14:04 <chickiechan> so its like i still have my other patches installed from previous before resetting it
Aug 22 03:15:01 <chickiechan> anyone want to help me?
Aug 22 03:19:22 <Lkr> if someone would be willing to help a noob, it'd be appreciated.  i'm looking for the autopatch feed in preware, but I don't see it.  i want to install the browser multi-patch
Aug 22 03:19:54 <egaudet> chickiechan, patches modify palm files
Aug 22 03:19:58 <egaudet> reset does not touch palm files
Aug 22 03:20:35 <egaudet> did you use save/restore to save preware's package list before doing the partial reset?
Aug 22 03:21:21 <egaudet> if not you can try EPI (Emergency Patch Installer), repair utility or doctor to get back to a clean slate of Palm files
Aug 22 03:21:23 <chickiechan> i did not save/restore preware package before i did it
Aug 22 03:21:36 <chickiechan> k thxs let me try it right now
Aug 22 04:41:20 <xcomp> new mugen battery arrived - 1460 mAh reported :)
Aug 22 06:20:03 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: hi!
Aug 22 06:20:19 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: thanks for joinin, you there? :)
Aug 22 06:23:54 <dtzWeb> yay web client
Aug 22 06:24:14 <dtzWill> dtzWeb: pingaling
Aug 22 06:24:36 <dtzWeb> okay ping flashes title. test over :).
Aug 22 06:27:51 <the2ndflood> dtzWill is this a private chatroom? I have never used this service before
Aug 22 06:30:31 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: nopers, you should have a 'dtzWill' tab too
Aug 22 06:30:46 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: this is the webos-internals chat, where anything related to webos-internals can be talked about.
Aug 22 06:31:22 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: thanks for coming to IRC, appreciate it. here's hoping we can resolve this.
Aug 22 06:31:28 <dtzWill> doing it here isn't off-topic, but up to you.
Aug 22 06:31:29 <the2ndflood> Okay, so what do you need from me to help fix the issue of the ROM's not being noticed in VBA?
Aug 22 06:32:05 <the2ndflood> If a private chat would work best, I'm up for it. I just don't know how to set it up
Aug 22 06:32:30 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: well easy questions first. you have a "roms" folder inside a "vba" folder? lower case, and not "rom" but "roms" (plural)?
Aug 22 06:32:42 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: here is best for me, if anyone else has any ideas they can chime in
Aug 22 06:33:07 <the2ndflood> Yeah I created the "vba" folder and put a folder called "roms" in it
Aug 22 06:33:17 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: can you give me the full filename of an example rom?
Aug 22 06:33:53 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: just wondering as we move forward, have you use terminal/command line before?
Aug 22 06:34:37 <the2ndflood> Army Men.gbc was the last file I tried to play, but the emulator doesn't notice the file
Aug 22 06:35:15 <dtzWill> fun game, haha :), owned that on my gbc
Aug 22 06:36:39 <the2ndflood> I thinik it's a fun game. Something fun that I use to love playing on my gameboy. I was able to play that very same ROM with my older version of VBA, but not anymore.
Aug 22 06:37:18 <the2ndflood> Maybe I should try downloading a new set of ROM files. Maybe these are messed up in some way
Aug 22 06:37:31 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: the rom selector doesn't even READ them just uses filenames. this should be working.
Aug 22 06:37:38 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: thank you for the idea, however.
Aug 22 06:39:34 <the2ndflood> Which idea? And should I try downloading a new set of ROM files? Would that help you figure this out better?
Aug 22 06:40:03 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: yes that was the idea, but I'm sayhing that can't help.  Shot in the dark--have you rebooted since adding the files to usb mode?
Aug 22 06:42:05 <the2ndflood> Yes I have my phone set to reboot every day at 3:00AM. I'm downloading a new set of files now and I will try them again. I have a feeling that these files might be messed up, because they are a copy of a copy, of a copy. So I'm going to try some new files
Aug 22 06:42:53 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: alright. but an /empty/ file named 'Army men.gbc' shows up in my rom selector, so i'm concerned
Aug 22 06:44:16 <the2ndflood> You have the same game and it's also not playing?
Aug 22 06:44:29 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: is it not playing or not showing up in the rom selector?
Aug 22 06:44:43 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: not showing up in the rom selector is what I thought the issue was, correct?
Aug 22 06:44:52 <dtzWill> as in you are unable to get VBA to see /any/ roms you give it?
Aug 22 06:45:22 <the2ndflood> it's not showing up within the emulator. I just downloaded a new set of files, let me try something.
Aug 22 06:45:32 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: okay. keep me posted.
Aug 22 06:46:15 <the2ndflood> Okay the new Army Men is working. I can see it in the emulator and I can play it. Let me check something
Aug 22 06:46:44 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: !!!!!
Aug 22 06:47:01 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: okay well that's great news. what did you do differently? I'm very concerned that no one else experiences this issue.
Aug 22 06:48:52 <the2ndflood> I see what is wrong. The mix of ROMS that I have, have  NES games in them. I must have mixed them up when I was transfering files for the NesEm. the Gameboy ROMS are now playing. So this issue is my fault. I transfered the wrong files into the folder.
Aug 22 06:49:08 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: okay well glad it's resolved.
Aug 22 06:49:33 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: feel free to email me (webos@wdtz.org) or come back here (I'm signed in pretty much 24/7, even if i'm not HERE i'll get your message, etc)
Aug 22 06:49:46 <the2ndflood> Thanks for your help! I can not play my Gameboy games again! Sorry for the mixup
Aug 22 06:50:30 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: you're very welcome. happy gaming :)
Aug 22 06:51:08 <the2ndflood> I want to make another donation since the app is something I use. is it easier for me to send funds through Paypal, or buy it in the app store?
Aug 22 06:51:33 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: paypal i get 100% of, but app store means I have a better chance in the pdk contest.. if/when I get listed again :).
Aug 22 06:51:53 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: either works, so whatever you'd like. and of course thank you _very_ much. appreciate it :)
Aug 22 06:52:36 <JohnLBurger> speaking of VBA, I liked rwhitby's comment in the app catalog
Aug 22 06:52:44 <the2ndflood> Okay, I will buy the app through the app store. And again thanks for going out of your way to help me!
Aug 22 06:52:58 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: not a problem. glad it's fixed :)
Aug 22 06:53:01 <dtzWill> JohnLBurger: me too :D
Aug 22 06:53:31 <JohnLBurger> and the fact palm allowed you to include the description the way it is (with Preware & all)
Aug 22 06:53:56 <dtzWill> JohnLBurger: yeah I wasn't sure that'd go through. but very glad I can advertise it's free, etc.
Aug 22 06:54:02 <dtzWill> not trying to TRICK anyone into buying it heh
Aug 22 06:54:20 <the2ndflood> Do the old skins still work with this new version?
Aug 22 06:54:49 <JohnLBurger> right. quite nice of you.
Aug 22 06:55:09 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: they should. put them in vba/skins like before
Aug 22 06:55:25 <the2ndflood> so create the skins folder?
Aug 22 06:55:30 <the2ndflood> Okay
Aug 22 06:55:45 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: yeppers
Aug 22 06:57:55 <JohnLBurger> btw, very n00b question here, but is there a shortcut for replying in IRC? thx
Aug 22 06:58:22 <chrisA>  /msg bob I am replying
Aug 22 07:04:40 <the2ndflood> dtzwill I just purchased the emulator from the app store. thanks again for help me! Take care
Aug 22 07:04:57 <dtzWill> the2ndflood: ty, you're welcome, and have a good one :)
Aug 22 07:59:11 <ka6sox-away> halfhalo you around?
Aug 22 15:52:58 <ka6sox-away> halfhalo, ping
Aug 22 16:38:39 <krushia_> does anyone build programs directly on the pre?
Aug 22 16:39:44 <krushia_> have tarball for sshfs, having issues with missing kernel headers...
Aug 22 16:40:52 <krushia_> didn't know if there is some secret ipkg repo for such things
Aug 22 17:22:28 <halfhalo> si ka6sox-away
Aug 22 17:25:16 <halfhalo> ping ka6sox-away.  PING!
Aug 22 18:41:30 <krushia_> will installing ligttpd from preware, then php-fcgi from ipkg-opt break things?
Aug 22 21:08:17 <ShadeS> hey guys
Aug 22 21:27:37 <RagingMind> anyone familiar with usbnet?
Aug 22 21:28:48 <en0x_wirc> not really
Aug 22 21:31:01 <RagingMind> I followed the directions in the wiki and everything seems to be set up on the computer right.  i get an IP addy.  I can do dns lookups but I can't ping anything or connect to any sites
Aug 22 21:31:38 <en0x_wirc> did u turned on ip forwarding on ur phone?
Aug 22 21:31:44 <bgp> are you running a tether app?
Aug 22 21:33:31 <RagingMind> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/USBnet_networking_setup
Aug 22 21:33:35 <RagingMind> I followed those
Aug 22 21:34:01 <RagingMind> i couldn't find freetether in preware and I didn't wanna pay for mytether
Aug 22 21:41:41 <bgp> inst there a free version of my tether?
Aug 22 21:42:19 <bgp> like a lite version
Aug 22 21:42:26 <bgp> I know there used to be
Aug 22 21:44:06 <RagingMind> brb
Aug 22 21:56:25 <ka6sox-away> halfhalo, pongu...you here now?
Aug 22 21:56:58 <RagingMind> nope... setting ip_forward to 1 doesn't help
Aug 22 21:57:09 <halfhalo> I may or may not be… :p
Aug 22 21:57:38 <ka6sox-away> okay Schrodinger.
Aug 22 21:57:50 <halfhalo> IM NOT REAL!
Aug 22 21:58:15 <ka6sox-away> a halo is a mythical thing and 1/2 a halo must be 1/2 mythical?
Aug 22 21:58:19 <halfhalo> yes
Aug 22 22:03:18 <RagingMind> "mobile hotspot" is WAY too literal
Aug 22 22:11:42 <RagingMind> someone in here must have fiddled with usb net before
Aug 22 22:11:54 <RagingMind> or other tethering methods besides wifi
Aug 22 22:53:41 <bgp> ragingmind, if you really want to tether easily just buy mytether, otherwise hit up the precentral forums, I know back in the day there were guides how to tether over usb manually
Aug 22 23:39:20 <krushia|treo> so it seems like there are lots of how-to's for cross compiling for pre, but nothing for locally compiling
Aug 22 23:40:22 <krushia|treo> strikes me as odd...
Aug 22 23:40:35 <bpadalino> local compiling ?
Aug 22 23:40:40 <krushia|treo> yeah
Aug 22 23:40:44 <bpadalino> please describe ?
Aug 22 23:40:57 <krushia|treo> just trying to build sshfs from tarball
Aug 22 23:41:06 <bpadalino> to run on the pre ?
Aug 22 23:41:30 <krushia|treo> yep
Aug 22 23:41:35 <krushia|treo> http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html
Aug 22 23:41:36 <bpadalino> what do you think cross compiling means ?
Aug 22 23:41:56 <krushia|treo> compiling for a different target
Aug 22 23:42:19 <geist> so you want to hear about running gcc on the pre?
Aug 22 23:42:24 <krushia|treo> indeed
Aug 22 23:42:56 <krushia|treo> there should be no reason to need a separate computer to build simple packages
Aug 22 23:43:24 <bpadalino> interesting .. people a long time ago liked to do that using a debian chroot
Aug 22 23:43:41 <geist> the main problem with it is codesourcery doesn't make a toolchain for it
Aug 22 23:43:56 <geist> and then the second problem is you'd need more root space
Aug 22 23:44:06 <geist> and then the third problem is it'd run terribly
Aug 22 23:44:31 <geist> first one could be fixed relatively easily
Aug 22 23:44:37 <krushia|treo> well im a gentoo user, and not being able to build things on any linux system is unthinkable :p
Aug 22 23:45:00 <bpadalino> sometimes paradigms are there to be challenged :(
Aug 22 23:45:16 <krushia|treo> kicker right now with pre is lack of pkgconfig setup properly
Aug 22 23:45:17 <geist> it's doable. i think we had something like that going at palm. it just runs pretty badly
Aug 22 23:45:24 <geist> better with a pre plus, since it has more ram
Aug 22 23:46:10 <krushia|treo> yeah, i guess im a little diferent with my pre plus
Aug 22 23:46:56 <krushia|treo> ive already gotten a few tarballs to build fine
Aug 22 23:47:28 <krushia|treo> its stuff like sshfs that requires info on stock libs that break
Aug 22 23:48:24 <krushia|treo> really just need dev headers and pkconfig on pre
Aug 22 23:49:09 <bpadalino> if you figure it out, add it to the wiki .. maybe someone else has the same ideas
Aug 22 23:49:42 <bpadalino> but like geist said, don't think you're going to be doing anything quickly building on the pre
Aug 22 23:50:09 <ShadeS> yeah man, quit trying to relive 1993 build times
Aug 22 23:50:20 <krushia|treo> indeed. but when all you have is your pre and you want to build a small app...
Aug 22 23:51:06 <krushia|treo> i have a 266 mhz cyrix server that compiles its own stuff and its not ungodly slow
Aug 22 23:51:07 <ShadeS> most people aren't stranded on an island away from civilization ;p
Aug 22 23:51:56 <krushia|treo> to me the whole cross dev thing seems like a wasteof time
Aug 22 23:52:04 <bpadalino> wow, really ?
Aug 22 23:52:08 <krushia|treo> too much overhead
Aug 22 23:52:10 <bpadalino> wow ..
Aug 22 23:52:25 <ShadeS> hey guys so to back up my call log/sms log I need to install preware?
Aug 22 23:52:31 * halfhalo backs away slowly
Aug 22 23:52:31 <ShadeS> and to do that i need java?
Aug 22 23:52:43 <bpadalino> preware can install using palm-install i think
Aug 22 23:53:46 <bpadalino> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_from_the_Commandline
Aug 22 23:53:55 <krushia|treo> i have to drop what im doing, boot a laptop, connect to pre, manage a cross toolchain... thats excess work
Aug 22 23:54:21 <bpadalino> krushia|treo: you can ssh into a box with the toolchain installed, compile then scp the binary over
Aug 22 23:54:47 <krushia|treo> thers an idea
Aug 22 23:55:10 <egaudet> widk
Aug 22 23:56:49 <egaudet> or if you really have to compile on your pre, just use a debian chroot
Aug 22 23:58:03 <krushia|treo> so is it a tarball sdk or something with dev headers i can grab?
Aug 22 23:58:21 <krushia|treo> or is it a bunch of excess cruft too?
Aug 23 00:00:13 <bpadalino> lots of excess cruft all over the place
Aug 23 00:02:03 <bpadalino> widk attempts to build everything for webos from their sources i believe .. still a cross compile thing ..
Aug 23 00:10:06 <egaudet> why use sshfs
Aug 23 00:14:23 <ShadeS> bpadalino: because I was looking at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_with_WebOS_Quick_Install so it turns out I don't need java to make this happen?
Aug 23 00:14:41 <bpadalino> right - just use the commandline
Aug 23 00:14:55 <bpadalino> i suppose that assumes you have the novacom drivers instaled
Aug 23 00:17:29 <egaudet> SDK needs java
Aug 23 00:17:45 <bgp> can you paste into the terminal app?
Aug 23 00:17:56 <egaudet> preware-boostrap won't
Aug 23 00:18:27 <egaudet> I think there's a .NET version of the standalone installer too?
Aug 23 00:19:30 <ShadeS> wait what? So, it turns out I *do* need java?
Aug 23 00:19:43 <bpadalino> do you really not have java installed on your system ?
Aug 23 00:19:54 <krushia|treo> bgp: i'd love to know if you can. also how to enter a tilde
Aug 23 00:19:57 <ShadeS> well it's a fresh install
Aug 23 00:20:05 <ShadeS> and I"m just reinstalling things to not bog my system down . . .
Aug 23 00:20:19 <ShadeS> java tends to make things.. runs slower...
Aug 23 00:20:37 <bpadalino> that sounds like crazytalk to me
Aug 23 00:20:45 <ShadeS> ok well fine, i'll install it then
Aug 23 00:20:48 <ShadeS> it's only a 2.4 celeron
Aug 23 00:20:52 <ShadeS> 1gb memory
Aug 23 00:20:54 <ShadeS> laptop
Aug 23 00:21:08 <ShadeS> this is my current 'production' machine
Aug 23 00:21:12 <bpadalino> i see
Aug 23 00:22:13 <ShadeS> so yeah..
Aug 23 00:23:03 <ShadeS> so I'm still confused on if I need java or not
Aug 23 00:23:09 <bpadalino> sure
Aug 23 00:23:10 <bpadalino> install it
Aug 23 00:23:19 <ShadeS> which version
Aug 23 00:23:38 <bpadalino> wow, lots of handholding
Aug 23 00:23:56 <ShadeS> fine, it's just that I have firefox loaded with lots of tabs atm
Aug 23 00:24:10 <ShadeS> is mojo java based or something?
Aug 23 00:24:19 <egaudet> no
Aug 23 00:24:24 <bgp> fire up chrome or ctrl n
Aug 23 00:24:29 <bgp> :D
Aug 23 00:24:33 <ShadeS> new windows make things run faster?
Aug 23 00:24:38 <egaudet> you need java on the computer to use the SDK, QI, or Java standalone installer
Aug 23 00:24:52 <ShadeS> ok java 6 is latest.. last time I messed iwth java it was version 5
Aug 23 00:26:32 <ShadeS> 'jxpiinstall.exe' ?
Aug 23 00:29:26 * bgp facepalms
Aug 23 00:29:43 <bgp> shades what is your objective?
Aug 23 00:29:51 <bpadalino> install preware it seems
Aug 23 00:30:00 <ShadeS> I'm trying to backup my call log/sms log from my pre
Aug 23 00:30:17 <ShadeS> the treo 600/650/700 all had that palm desktop software that  allowed you to do so
Aug 23 00:30:28 <ShadeS> you could eaisly open up said imported document in like, just notepad
Aug 23 00:30:41 <bgp> http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/228310-webos-quick-install-v3-14-a.html
Aug 23 00:30:47 <oil> ok, first of all, take all your old-palm thinking and throw it out hte window, lol
Aug 23 00:30:49 <ShadeS> It seems like I have a whole lot of rigamarole including putting it into developer mode
Aug 23 00:31:07 <ShadeS> which I don't mind
Aug 23 00:31:12 <bgp> follow those instructions to "talk" to your pre
Aug 23 00:31:36 <ShadeS> it's j ust that I'm not trying to bog down my registry with unecessary things
Aug 23 00:32:00 <bgp> uhhhh
Aug 23 00:32:07 <bgp> dude
Aug 23 00:32:16 <ShadeS> what
Aug 23 00:32:22 <bgp> reg cleaners
Aug 23 00:32:31 <bgp> its no big deal
Aug 23 00:32:34 <ShadeS> they don't work as well as a fresh reformat
Aug 23 00:32:43 <ShadeS> or have they come up since last I messed with them
Aug 23 00:32:52 <ShadeS> I like to install everything I need, then take an image
Aug 23 00:33:09 <ShadeS> last I was playing around with installing uninstalling several wares and my system was very slow
Aug 23 00:33:33 <oil> so
Aug 23 00:33:37 <oil> you're afraid to install things?
Aug 23 00:33:41 <bgp> nooo they dont but nothing is as good as a fresh copy of windows (if thats what ur running) every 3 months
Aug 23 00:34:29 <ShadeS> well regardless, less is more
Aug 23 00:34:57 <ShadeS> I do plan on doing some coding on here I guess so I might as well have java on here as much as I don't really care  for it 8 /
Aug 23 00:34:58 <bgp> but they help, your pc will run smoother if you clean your reg, clear tmp and cache, and limit amount of installed programs, and LIMIT startup items
Aug 23 00:35:19 <ShadeS> yes, startupitems are what really makes a difference
Aug 23 00:35:28 <ShadeS> but I primarily wanted this laptop as a music production suit
Aug 23 00:35:37 <ShadeS> butit's going to have things for network security as well as programing
Aug 23 00:35:49 <ShadeS> which may or may not affect the audio  stuff
Aug 23 00:35:55 <ShadeS> lookslike I'llhaveto findout
Aug 23 00:36:02 <bgp> but based on your specs ur kinda screwed with little guy
Aug 23 00:38:55 <ShadeS> well I can't really multi task but if I just run one software at a time I'll be fine
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