**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 25 02:59:57 2010 Aug 25 03:44:42 * k- k3t grumbles some more... turned out that in 1.4.5, there are multiple paths for external resolv.conf's and two _must_ be enabled >> /tmp/resolv.conf (( automatically generated by pmnetconfig )) and /etc/resolv.conf |> or else usbnetworking with ip forwarding will not successfully communicate... =\ Aug 25 03:44:58 /k3t/k-/ Aug 25 04:12:29 k-: yeah, that stuff is a mess Aug 25 04:59:22 rwhitby: yo mate! how goes? Aug 25 05:01:28 raster: g'day Aug 25 05:36:29 hello everyone, I am building WIDK on Ubuntu, but when git clone git://git.opentts.org/dotconf.git I meet a Connection timeout error. Has anyone encountered such a problem yet? Aug 25 05:39:36 im debating adding metrix to the ad-blocker patch. any thoughts? Aug 25 05:41:58 ~seen Templarian Aug 25 05:42:01 templarian <~Templaria@pix013-101.pix.wmich.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 12d 14h 39m 59s ago, saying: 'That was the longest 20min without internet ever.'. Aug 25 05:42:40 WindBell: yep. someone mentioned that so i fixed it... last thursday Aug 25 05:42:45 WindBell: try 'git pull'? Aug 25 05:44:51 How can I use "pull" before "clone"? Aug 25 05:45:04 WindBell: git pull the widk, not dotconf Aug 25 05:45:09 WindBell: sorry. i meant 'pull' on the widk, not..... what rwhitby said Aug 25 05:45:21 Oh, thanks Aug 25 05:53:59 dtzWill : "make stage" keeps working now, thank you Aug 25 05:56:45 WindBell: great! Aug 25 06:15:42 morning Aug 25 15:18:01 does preware save the rejects somewhere? i can't find them on the FS Aug 25 15:26:04 ? Aug 25 15:26:22 patches? Aug 25 15:30:10 yes. patches Aug 25 15:30:44 i want to install the System Menu Initial Framework... Aug 25 15:30:50 but 1 out of 12 hunks are failed Aug 25 16:02:24 that's all dry run output, nothing is being written Aug 25 16:02:43 you must have something else installed that touches a file in a way that conflicts with that patch Aug 25 16:21:15 egaudet: i've got a total of 4 patches installed... Aug 25 16:22:05 hide quick launch bar, ubercalendar, delete all converstaions and text Aug 25 16:22:12 and launch mode-switcher on luna reboot Aug 25 16:27:53 have you tried deleting any of them before installing the System Menu? Aug 25 16:29:12 it's probably the quick launch bar Aug 25 16:29:34 and I'd recommend the advanced app launcher patch which also allows you to configure the QL bar Aug 25 16:32:35 egaudet: i just deleted all 3 of them... Aug 25 16:33:22 now it did work ) Aug 25 16:33:23 ;) Aug 25 16:37:57 i had more initially (ringer switch icon), which i removed previously Aug 25 16:41:00 it must have been the hide quick launch patch since at least that conflict with my system framework patch.. Aug 25 16:41:06 sorry that was not here earlier :) Aug 25 16:42:04 advanced app launcher patch doesn't conflict with it though and that gives dynamic ability to hide/show Aug 25 16:43:04 yes initially I created it due to the above reason that hide QL patch conflicted with the initiali framework, it just got some more features along the road Aug 25 16:43:19 and more is coming Aug 25 16:43:23 oh yoppo = sconix? Aug 25 16:43:24 just finished adding tab support Aug 25 16:43:26 yes Aug 25 16:43:34 great stuff :) Aug 25 16:43:43 and hiding and renaming icons still to come Aug 25 16:43:49 MS, the patches, very nice Aug 25 16:43:59 thanks Aug 25 16:50:58 Yoppo: same from me... i just start using MS, looking at it Aug 25 16:51:08 looks very sophisticated Aug 25 16:55:35 Yoppo: have you worked out hiding/showing icons already? Aug 25 16:56:52 only tested that it is possible Aug 25 16:58:37 just by patching the app launcher code? Aug 25 16:59:04 yes Aug 25 17:13:11 Yoppo: when i set a application trigger to "background", will that disengage when the application is focused? i want to make a modifier mode, that enables GPS when navit is opened Aug 25 17:14:39 so the mode is active when ever the app that you have set is on background Aug 25 17:14:52 and only deactive when its foreground Aug 25 17:15:02 so you mostl ikely want set it to foreground Aug 25 17:15:10 then the mode is active when the app is foreground Aug 25 17:15:41 hm, i want it to be active when the app is active - independent on whether i focus the app at the moment, or not... Aug 25 17:15:52 thats not sadly possible yet Aug 25 17:16:04 WebOS does not give info about when apps are started/ closed Aug 25 17:16:12 it would be only possible by polling and that is no good Aug 25 17:16:29 accepted ;) Aug 25 17:16:41 so you can make a mode that starts when navit is in foreground but set the mode closing to manual Aug 25 17:16:50 then just close it manually when you are done with navit Aug 25 17:16:53 semi automatic Aug 25 17:16:59 how does the focus on foreground work? that is an event in webos? Aug 25 17:17:04 yes Aug 25 17:29:30 Yoppo: have you tried subscribing to applicationHasBeenTerminated method of systemmanager service Aug 25 17:30:42 egaudet: haven't seen that method Aug 25 17:33:33 will try what info it gives Aug 25 17:37:58 did not do what expected Aug 25 19:48:20 Anyone in here use eclipse 3.6 helios? Aug 25 19:51:18 no Aug 25 19:58:06 I upgraded to helios and all the fonts in the editor are set to light colors on white background and changing the settings what I assume are them doesn't do anything and is driving me crazy :) Aug 25 19:58:35 previous version was color coded with dark on white Aug 25 20:16:21 Hi, I recently re-installed my OS on PC and now MyTether, running on webos 1.3, wont give an IP and instead of displaying my PC's name it displays my MAC address? Any ideas? Aug 25 20:18:43 is mytether still around? Aug 25 20:19:39 lol Yes sir if you downgrade and find a download for it, as i have. Aug 25 20:20:52 It worked fine before i re-installed my OS on pc... lol now its having some kind of conflict, assuming its because the device is gettting a connection from same MAC but a new install OS Aug 25 20:29:08 I'm looking for some help with the virtual keyboard. Aug 25 20:29:38 what about it? Aug 25 20:29:59 I installed it but couldn't get it to open no matter where I tried to use it Aug 25 20:30:08 hmm Aug 25 20:30:13 1.4.5? Aug 25 20:30:16 It said it installed successfully and shows up in installed apps Aug 25 20:31:15 OS 1.4.1.1 Aug 25 20:33:14 Virtual Keyboard 1.4.1-9 Aug 25 20:38:39 and double-tapping doesn't work? Aug 25 20:38:46 (in the gesure area) Aug 25 20:42:09 right... double-tapping doesn't do anything. Aug 25 20:43:07 I'm uninstalling and reinstalling to see what happens. Aug 25 20:45:56 That did it. Aug 25 20:46:06 Thanks Aug 25 20:46:59 cool Aug 25 20:53:25 1.3... mytether... oh my Aug 25 20:54:25 does anyone know of 2 or more patches that can apply in a certain order but not the other way around? Aug 25 21:56:17 ok Aug 25 21:56:27 so, I *do* need to install java to get this to work...? Aug 25 22:02:24 what to work? Aug 25 22:25:42 Hi Aug 25 22:26:03 anyone here? Aug 25 22:26:29 superfish: No. Aug 25 22:26:39 ahh Aug 25 22:27:01 can i ask a question regarding ares and pushing scenes? Aug 25 22:27:09 superfish: We are all illusions, figments of my wife's cat's imagination. Aug 25 22:27:15 superfish: Don't ask to ask, just ask. Aug 25 22:28:05 I want to splitt the Flicker search tutorial into 3 scenes . 1 Scene: Just represents the Searchfield and the Searchbutten Aug 25 22:28:15 2 scene has the list items Aug 25 22:28:28 everything worked fine till i push the 3rd scene Aug 25 22:28:37 the 3rd scene says blank Aug 25 22:28:41 stays Aug 25 22:28:47 #webos of SDK dev Aug 25 22:28:53 Sorry forgot to metion that i'm using are Aug 25 22:28:56 ares Aug 25 22:29:18 official SDK development will get more answers in #webos Aug 25 22:29:42 ok thx for the hint.... Aug 25 22:29:54 i'm also new in using irc. Aug 25 22:30:41 no worries and welcome :) Aug 25 22:31:06 THx....gaood night i think i'll visit #webos now ;) Aug 25 22:37:26 Hello, I just wanted a place to dump my idea which you could think is dumb. Aug 25 22:38:20 go for it Aug 25 22:39:18 Take the phone lock app for Palm Pre, insted of having to type in a code have it take you to a pad lock type app where you spin the pad lock and put in the code. It would be kinda cool really, I have no idea how or if it could work but there it is. Aug 26 01:10:31 anyone know why when you download webos doctor from the palm website it doesnt save as a file? Aug 26 01:10:51 I wanted to have a back up so i didnt have to download again... Aug 26 01:11:13 what do you mean, save as a fileā€¦ its a freaking .jar file Aug 26 01:11:47 no its not this is the file i recieved when i downloaded from the website... Aug 26 01:12:01 webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jnlp Aug 26 01:12:15 thats what i get and when i click it, it starts a download Aug 26 01:12:23 then it auto starts the webos docter Aug 26 01:12:36 It saves the jar to the temp folder then Aug 26 01:12:54 You have any clue where i might find it? Aug 26 01:13:17 not on your local system, but there are download links on the wiki Aug 26 01:13:38 wiki? Aug 26 01:13:43 url link plz? Aug 26 01:13:57 it's in the topic Aug 26 01:14:09 ya i saw that after i asked lol Aug 26 01:16:34 Save/Restore 1.0.5 now available in Preware, with 275 supported apps (including Angry Birds). http://bit.ly/saverestore105 Aug 26 01:17:17 ya im not finding where on the site, down in the disclaimer it just redirects me back to plam.com for their download Aug 26 01:18:19 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Aug 26 01:18:20 they only documented up to 1.3.5 Aug 26 01:19:35 thank you Aug 26 01:20:21 wow ive been hassling with downgrading too 1.3 so i can use mytether, didnt even know that this freetether and mobile hotspot thing existed Aug 26 01:20:33 lol Aug 26 01:20:52 felt like an idiot, ive been constently downgrading for over three monthes Aug 26 01:21:01 i was so pissed Aug 26 01:21:30 losing out on the ability to use the record feature, that sucked big time, plus 1.3 is so much slower than 1.4.5 Aug 26 01:22:07 heh, mytether. the source of much frustration it seems Aug 26 01:22:23 so true Aug 26 01:22:30 it was a nice program while it lasted tho Aug 26 01:22:53 oh the guy dont develop it anymore? Aug 26 01:24:24 nope, he took the money and ran Aug 26 01:24:44 what app? Aug 26 01:24:48 just like the superprekernel guy Aug 26 01:24:54 caj? Aug 26 01:25:01 He was funny Aug 26 01:25:19 rwhitby: i dont understand why either... Aug 26 01:25:32 both wrote something that caused a mess, charged for it, took the money, and then left the mess for others to clean up. Aug 26 01:25:47 Sounds like MS Aug 26 01:25:49 good point... Aug 26 01:25:52 hahahaha Aug 26 01:26:12 rotfl Aug 26 01:26:17 so is their a kernel change that speeds up the pre that is reliable... Aug 26 01:26:28 uberkernel Aug 26 01:26:34 with govnah Aug 26 01:26:38 from preware Aug 26 01:29:00 reliable, not many bricks??? Aug 26 01:29:59 Also, is there a way to speed up the internet on the pre, I mean besides being in a better service area... cuz i dont think i have ever seen my pre peak above 170kbps Aug 26 01:30:06 oh man i cant wait for my razer orca headset from rahul :) Aug 26 01:30:15 hard to brick with it, but overclocking is at your own risk. severely overclocking could shorten the life of your phone due to overheating Aug 26 01:30:19 bah, Logi G930 is better Aug 26 01:31:24 so if i were to install and not tweak the phone anymore than the patch does then i would be fine??? Aug 26 01:31:59 halfhalo: well i'm not gonna be picky... i'm never picky with free stuff Aug 26 01:32:12 Heh, my G930 was free as well Aug 26 01:32:16 if you're only hitting 170kbps then I don't think there's much you can do other than move to a better service area :p Aug 26 01:32:25 halfhalo: i see Aug 26 01:32:37 whats the highest anyone has ever seen it hit??? Aug 26 01:32:38 halfhalo: good for ya! r they hulk green color? :P Aug 26 01:32:49 nah, review units Aug 26 01:32:55 xbones21x: i had over 2mbps ;) tethered to my laptop Aug 26 01:33:22 and i think i still do lemme check Aug 26 01:34:09 chandler: all our kernel have temp limiters now Aug 26 01:34:31 xbones21x: it's pretty much impossible for an end user to brick a Pre. Aug 26 01:34:47 xbones21x: BTW, it's a kernel, not a patch Aug 26 01:34:49 ah right. still, you're not responsible for any flaming death, right? :-) Aug 26 01:34:53 1800kbps or so on a good day Aug 26 01:36:06 xbones21x: http://www.speedtest.net/result/928215647.png not bad ;D Aug 26 01:36:08 just tested Aug 26 01:36:26 but it's a raining day now... Aug 26 01:36:39 u must be in a 4g area? Aug 26 01:36:44 3g Aug 26 01:36:45 wait Aug 26 01:36:47 the Pre isn't 4G Aug 26 01:36:56 didnt think it wa Aug 26 01:36:57 s Aug 26 01:37:06 how are you getting that speed? Aug 26 01:37:23 en0x Aug 26 01:37:26 that's all within 3G speeds? Aug 26 01:37:32 xbones21x: are you on EV-DO or 1xRTT? Aug 26 01:37:32 yes Aug 26 01:37:35 hehehe Aug 26 01:37:36 evdo Aug 26 01:37:37 ;] Aug 26 01:37:40 evdo Aug 26 01:37:55 [; Aug 26 01:37:58 i rock! Aug 26 01:38:02 Sinet: your supposed to be able to get those speeds? Aug 26 01:38:17 cuz i have never seen anything higher than 170kb Aug 26 01:38:48 170kbit/s or 170kbyte/s? Aug 26 01:38:58 kbps Aug 26 01:39:22 kilobits and kilobytes are very very different things Aug 26 01:39:26 kbit super fast Aug 26 01:39:36 kbyte super slow Aug 26 01:39:43 right? Aug 26 01:39:47 ? Aug 26 01:39:55 ? Aug 26 01:39:59 other way around Aug 26 01:40:10 oh Aug 26 01:40:18 kbit under kbyte Aug 26 01:40:33 1 byte = 8 bits Aug 26 01:40:43 ah Aug 26 01:40:46 ok Aug 26 01:40:47 170kbyte/s would be 1360kbit/s Aug 26 01:41:23 right but en0x how r u getting such speeds??? Aug 26 01:41:36 that's the speeds for 3g man... Aug 26 01:41:38 :) Aug 26 01:41:51 i've never seen anything close to that Aug 26 01:42:09 too bad Aug 26 01:42:10 :( Aug 26 01:42:11 i must be in a poor evdo area Aug 26 01:42:19 brb check sprint site Aug 26 01:42:21 looks like it Aug 26 01:42:21 ;] Aug 26 01:42:39 Bah, I dont even _have_ signal here Aug 26 01:42:50 yeah, at home it's like 250kpbs or so Aug 26 01:42:52 :( Aug 26 01:43:01 damn................. Aug 26 01:43:10 wish i could Aug 26 01:43:11 it's not until I'm on the freeway or something that I'll see higher in the like 1200+ range Aug 26 01:43:20 by the end of sept i will get 4g in boston from sprint Aug 26 01:43:20 ;D Aug 26 01:43:22 yey! Aug 26 01:43:46 at dev days I got over 300 sharing mhs with a friend on a vzw pre Aug 26 01:43:49 it was epic Aug 26 01:43:56 300KB/s Aug 26 01:44:18 300KB/s is enough for web browsing Aug 26 01:44:43 Heh, it was blazing compared to the wifi palm had set up Aug 26 01:45:11 lol Aug 26 01:45:25 well probably it was better than what apple had Aug 26 01:45:25 ;p Aug 26 01:45:32 used it at the hotel for metadoctor downloading Aug 26 01:45:51 i do 600mb a month without tethering Aug 26 01:45:55 on my sprint account Aug 26 01:46:02 idk how 200mb on att is enough for ppl Aug 26 01:46:03 :S Aug 26 01:46:17 Everywhere I go has wifi, so I do little data Aug 26 01:46:30 i only use wifi at work Aug 26 01:46:30 I used 52MB not including tethering on vzw last month Aug 26 01:46:33 and I roam there too Aug 26 01:46:44 coz i got no coverage in basement Aug 26 01:48:01 I have used.. 300MB this month Aug 26 01:48:43 that;s what im saying Aug 26 01:48:50 how ppl can live with 200mb cap Aug 26 01:48:50 ;} Aug 26 01:49:04 especially with palms when they are always connected Aug 26 01:49:13 at least ATT throws in free access to all their hotspots Aug 26 01:49:31 I'm usually on wifi, so I can live with it just fine Aug 26 01:50:09 I have the 200MB plan on my AT&T 3GS and don't have an issue with that either Aug 26 01:50:55 iphones don;t pull data every while Aug 26 01:50:56 I'm... 10 days into this billing cycle and I've used 23 minutes (lol) 162 text and 215mb :p Aug 26 01:51:06 lemme check Aug 26 01:52:17 i got 7 days left in this billing cycle Aug 26 01:52:42 i used over 200 minutes 252 text messages and 350mb data Aug 26 01:52:58 I do know my highest usage month was like 1.2gbs :x Aug 26 01:53:08 huh? my iphone checks email in the background same as my pixi plus Aug 26 01:53:15 probably in large part due to the sprint pixi not having the option of using wifi Aug 26 01:54:05 chandler: iphone check is different Aug 26 01:54:09 u need mobile me to do it Aug 26 01:54:22 and mobile me servers push the info to your phone when there is an email Aug 26 01:54:38 webOS pulls it by itself without using a server in between Aug 26 01:57:34 en0x: eh? no, it does IMAP push as well. I don't have a mobile me account at all Aug 26 02:23:19 en0x: you their? Aug 26 02:24:13 oh, and just because I forgot about it and can: Palm Pixi macro photography! (anyone who can guess what it is gets a banana sticker) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/PIXI2010-08-25-191652.jpg Aug 26 02:24:38 looks like a dime or quarter ? Aug 26 02:25:24 I'm not that much of a big spender ;D Aug 26 02:25:37 http://www.speedtest.net/result/928254616.png Aug 26 02:25:39 hahaha Aug 26 02:25:45 thats my palm pre speed lol Aug 26 02:27:45 sounds about right for a bad signal area Aug 26 02:27:51 460/170 Aug 26 02:28:11 did you run the test on your laptop or the pre? Aug 26 02:29:06 halfhalo1 snowed under with work now Aug 26 02:29:11 laptop Aug 26 02:29:34 Ka6sox-mobile: hah, np Aug 26 02:30:44 also that is with 40% signal strength to laptop too tho... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 26 02:59:57 2010